BREAKING: Arlene Foster says she will step down as DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s First Minister, following calls within the party for a leadership contest. More on @SkyNews now.
But I think we can already answer the big question: Will the DUP appoint a leader who will let us into the secret of what the DUP wants from Brexit and the border issue instead of the long list of what they don't? QTWTAIN
And will a disgruntled Foster shuffle off to form the Uladh party?
Edit: not the 'Uladh' party, d'oh. Unless she has a major change of heart about Irish/British identity.
ULDH.. no vowels is on trend...
When did U stop being a vowel?
Could be worse, in Welsh we have two extra vowels.
It was all a misunderstanding though. It was meant to be one extra vowel, but when ‘W’ was chosen somebody asked ‘why?’ and so Y ended up being one as well.
Perhaps you could donate one to the Czechs? They could use it!
I think Serbo-Croat is even more in need. There's an island off the Croatian coast called Krk.
Apparently, there's a town in Scotland called Abrdn
Verily, the home of Abrdn Asst Mngmnt.
There was no y or j in classical Latin but lots of words that ended in ii. Medieval scribes started to write a flourish under the terminal i and so j was born. Later on i and j were merged and y is their bastard offspring. Because neither letter is rooted in classical orthography they are used anarchically in every modern language, although monoglots tend to think that theirs is the correct way.
Y in English can be a terminal vowel (body), a median vowel (rhythm) or an initial vowel (yttrium) or, more usually, a diphthong (yes) in which case it is part of a vowel combination. But y in English is NEVER a consonant, and any teacher who told you it was should have their pension docked.
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks ...
We're only having this discussion because you said a word I'd used was "just not acceptable"!
This place doesn't improve.
Fuck off then.
Calm down girls!
I think it was meant to be irony. It would be a bit like me saying: "Welcome malcolmg, I am sooo looking forward to the intelligent analysis that you will no doubt enlighten us with this evening. "
or..
"Malc, tell us how you love the English so"
Take Topping's tip, "Fuck Off then" in case you missed it ,the site would be a better place without your dribbling.
BREAKING: Arlene Foster says she will step down as DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s First Minister, following calls within the party for a leadership contest. More on @SkyNews now.
But I think we can already answer the big question: Will the DUP appoint a leader who will let us into the secret of what the DUP wants from Brexit and the border issue instead of the long list of what they don't? QTWTAIN
And will a disgruntled Foster shuffle off to form the Uladh party?
Edit: not the 'Uladh' party, d'oh. Unless she has a major change of heart about Irish/British identity.
ULDH.. no vowels is on trend...
When did U stop being a vowel?
Could be worse, in Welsh we have two extra vowels.
It was all a misunderstanding though. It was meant to be one extra vowel, but when ‘W’ was chosen somebody asked ‘why?’ and so Y ended up being one as well.
Perhaps you could donate one to the Czechs? They could use it!
I think Serbo-Croat is even more in need. There's an island off the Croatian coast called Krk.
Apparently, there's a town in Scotland called Abrdn
Verily, the home of Abrdn Asst Mngmnt.
There was no y or j in classical Latin but lots of words that ended in ii. Medieval scribes started to write a flourish under the terminal i and so j was born. Later on i and j were merged and y is their bastard offspring. Because neither letter is rooted in classical orthography they are used anarchically in every modern language, although monoglots tend to think that theirs is the correct way.
Y in English can be a terminal vowel (body), a median vowel (rhythm) or an initial vowel (yttrium) or, more usually, a diphthong (yes) in which case it is part of a vowel combination. But y in English is NEVER a consonant, and any teacher who told you it was should have their pension docked.
Confusingly, there is an old English letter ‘thorn’ (th) that looks like ‘Y’ to the uninitiated.
BREAKING: Arlene Foster says she will step down as DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s First Minister, following calls within the party for a leadership contest. More on @SkyNews now.
But I think we can already answer the big question: Will the DUP appoint a leader who will let us into the secret of what the DUP wants from Brexit and the border issue instead of the long list of what they don't? QTWTAIN
And will a disgruntled Foster shuffle off to form the Uladh party?
Edit: not the 'Uladh' party, d'oh. Unless she has a major change of heart about Irish/British identity.
ULDH.. no vowels is on trend...
When did U stop being a vowel?
Could be worse, in Welsh we have two extra vowels.
It was all a misunderstanding though. It was meant to be one extra vowel, but when ‘W’ was chosen somebody asked ‘why?’ and so Y ended up being one as well.
Rank Amateurs. Estonian has nine vowel phonemes, represented by the letters i ü u e ö õ o ä a, these can all be short, long or overlong, so essentially 27 vowel sounds. It does make the language very musical though.
Perhaps that explains their great choir tradition.
Sounds like this MIGHT be the basis for Estonian-Welsh fusion, or even union.
"Men of Tallinn / Can ye stand steady? / For the bars you're always ready! . . ."
Funnily enough the bars are reopening next week, but only the outside terraces, and its still pretty parky in Tallinn.
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks but it also a fact, much increased by covid, that many people are suffering mental health issues, and ill considered labelling of people is not acceptable to many
I always find it interesting that it seems acceptable to call someone an idiot, but not acceptable to call them a moron or imbecile, when in fact an idiot was classified as someone with a lower IQ than a moron or an imbecile under that antiquated system of psychological classification
Thanks! I had been trying to work out what language was acceptable to the arbiters of PB (I am assuming you're properly authorised to make a declaration on the acceptability of language here).
"Idiot" it is then. Though it hardly seems strong enough for people who still don't believe in face masks. I'd prefer "deluded" if I'm allowed to say that, but I'll wait for permission before doing so.
Say what you like and be damned, don't listen to the likes of that clown foremain. Have the courage of your convictions.
BREAKING: Arlene Foster says she will step down as DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s First Minister, following calls within the party for a leadership contest. More on @SkyNews now.
But I think we can already answer the big question: Will the DUP appoint a leader who will let us into the secret of what the DUP wants from Brexit and the border issue instead of the long list of what they don't? QTWTAIN
And will a disgruntled Foster shuffle off to form the Uladh party?
Edit: not the 'Uladh' party, d'oh. Unless she has a major change of heart about Irish/British identity.
ULDH.. no vowels is on trend...
When did U stop being a vowel?
Could be worse, in Welsh we have two extra vowels.
It was all a misunderstanding though. It was meant to be one extra vowel, but when ‘W’ was chosen somebody asked ‘why?’ and so Y ended up being one as well.
Rank Amateurs. Estonian has nine vowel phonemes, represented by the letters i ü u e ö õ o ä a, these can all be short, long or overlong, so essentially 27 vowel sounds. It does make the language very musical though.
Perhaps that explains their great choir tradition.
Sounds like this MIGHT be the basis for Estonian-Welsh fusion, or even union.
"Men of Tallinn / Can ye stand steady? / For the bars you're always ready! . . ."
Funnily enough the bars are reopening next week, but only the outside terraces, and its still pretty parky in Tallinn.
Well, as good Estonians they won’t be Russian to reopen.
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks but it also a fact, much increased by covid, that many people are suffering mental health issues, and ill considered labelling of people is not acceptable to many
I always find it interesting that it seems acceptable to call someone an idiot, but not acceptable to call them a moron or imbecile, when in fact an idiot was classified as someone with a lower IQ than a moron or an imbecile under that antiquated system of psychological classification
Thanks! I had been trying to work out what language was acceptable to the arbiters of PB (I am assuming you're properly authorised to make a declaration on the acceptability of language here).
"Idiot" it is then. Though it hardly seems strong enough for people who still don't believe in face masks. I'd prefer "deluded" if I'm allowed to say that, but I'll wait for permission before doing so.
Say what you like and be damned, don't listen to the likes of that clown foremain. Have the courage of your convictions.
Please can you not use the word "clown" in a derogatory sense?
It is an honourable calling. I come from a long line of clowns. This is just not acceptable.
BREAKING: Arlene Foster says she will step down as DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s First Minister, following calls within the party for a leadership contest. More on @SkyNews now.
But I think we can already answer the big question: Will the DUP appoint a leader who will let us into the secret of what the DUP wants from Brexit and the border issue instead of the long list of what they don't? QTWTAIN
And will a disgruntled Foster shuffle off to form the Uladh party?
Edit: not the 'Uladh' party, d'oh. Unless she has a major change of heart about Irish/British identity.
ULDH.. no vowels is on trend...
When did U stop being a vowel?
Could be worse, in Welsh we have two extra vowels.
It was all a misunderstanding though. It was meant to be one extra vowel, but when ‘W’ was chosen somebody asked ‘why?’ and so Y ended up being one as well.
Perhaps you could donate one to the Czechs? They could use it!
I think Serbo-Croat is even more in need. There's an island off the Croatian coast called Krk.
Apparently, there's a town in Scotland called Abrdn
Verily, the home of Abrdn Asst Mngmnt.
There was no y or j in classical Latin but lots of words that ended in ii. Medieval scribes started to write a flourish under the terminal i and so j was born. Later on i and j were merged and y is their bastard offspring. Because neither letter is rooted in classical orthography they are used anarchically in every modern language, although monoglots tend to think that theirs is the correct way.
Y in English can be a terminal vowel (body), a median vowel (rhythm) or an initial vowel (yttrium) or, more usually, a diphthong (yes) in which case it is part of a vowel combination. But y in English is NEVER a consonant, and any teacher who told you it was should have their pension docked.
What about yacht? Or does that count as a Dutch loanword?
I wonder also if the refurbishment funding might be set alongside the government decision not to help the leaseholders in flats where government legislation has put them on the hook for £90k or so to pay for replacement of flammable insulation. The comparison isn’t exactly fair, but neither is the treatment of the leaseholders.
Ooo yes. This should be memo'd to SKS pronto if you have his co-ordinates.
Labour are not in a good place if I can come up with a better attack line than the leader of the opposition. And it’s a genuine issue (as even IDS has recognised), crowbarred through the Commons this week.
BREAKING: Arlene Foster says she will step down as DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s First Minister, following calls within the party for a leadership contest. More on @SkyNews now.
But I think we can already answer the big question: Will the DUP appoint a leader who will let us into the secret of what the DUP wants from Brexit and the border issue instead of the long list of what they don't? QTWTAIN
And will a disgruntled Foster shuffle off to form the Uladh party?
Edit: not the 'Uladh' party, d'oh. Unless she has a major change of heart about Irish/British identity.
ULDH.. no vowels is on trend...
When did U stop being a vowel?
Could be worse, in Welsh we have two extra vowels.
It was all a misunderstanding though. It was meant to be one extra vowel, but when ‘W’ was chosen somebody asked ‘why?’ and so Y ended up being one as well.
Perhaps you could donate one to the Czechs? They could use it!
I think Serbo-Croat is even more in need. There's an island off the Croatian coast called Krk.
Apparently, there's a town in Scotland called Abrdn
Verily, the home of Abrdn Asst Mngmnt.
There was no y or j in classical Latin but lots of words that ended in ii. Medieval scribes started to write a flourish under the terminal i and so j was born. Later on i and j were merged and y is their bastard offspring. Because neither letter is rooted in classical orthography they are used anarchically in every modern language, although monoglots tend to think that theirs is the correct way.
Y in English can be a terminal vowel (body), a median vowel (rhythm) or an initial vowel (yttrium) or, more usually, a diphthong (yes) in which case it is part of a vowel combination. But y in English is NEVER a consonant, and any teacher who told you it was should have their pension docked.
Confusingly, there is an old English letter ‘thorn’ (th) that looks like ‘Y’ to the uninitiated.
Hence ‘Ye’ on many twee old tea shoppes.
Reading this, I envisaged what I thought was the letter thorn, but in fact I was envisaging the lower case of the letter eth
I am sure the lefties on here are grateful to Mr Smithson for allowing them a thread to froth over. Its been a long time where the left have had to suck it up... Time to give them a moment to enjoy, if wallpaper be the subject of their wrath, so be it.
He's filled our boots over the last few days, and I for one am enjoying the spectacle. My favourite day was Monday, when all the shellshocked fanbois kept a low profile, so those of us not in the Johnson camp could harp on unhindered to our hearts content.
I sense the tide turning. Brexit then Trump then Johnson landslide. Woe is us. But now Trump Toast and Joe looking good and "Boris" just commencing his crash & burn descent. Key is to hold nerve on loss of Hartlepool. That must not lead to a Corporal Jones.
I’ve got 30 quid on a labour hold in Hartlepool, I think they’ll hold on although there are some really plush parts in the constituency these days, away from the town centre.
Those will be the bits voting Labour. They have educated remainers in there.
My business partner is generally very supportive of Johnson. Not an enthusiast, but very much prefers him to any Labour offerings. He said to me today that the wallpaper doesn't worry him at all, but the bodies piled up comment does, adding it's exactly the sort of thing, the "stupid b******" would say.
So just froth? Maybe, but maybe not.
This is what I was thinking when Nick Robinson was cooing over Sarah Vine's favourable view of Boris Johnson's wallpaper this morning.
The press have decided that the refurbishment is the bigger story, for now, but the 'bodies' comment and issue will anger a lot more people, I think.
Derry Irvine spent a lot more on wallpaper iirc
You always seem to react to potential wrong doings by pointing out that someone on the other side probably did something worse. Two wrongs do not make a right. Boris either did something wrong or he didn't. What Derry Irvine did is irrelevant to Boris's situation.
Do I? While the left scream at Boris its fair play to comment that... let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Its a tad ironic that journos, who are one the least trusted sections of our society, are critical of others . I wonder how honest journalists are with their expenses.
As a supporter of Hacked Off I of course I agree with you regarding many journalists, but that again doesn't negate the fact that two wrongs do not make a right. Johnson's defence should be he didn't do it and not others are worse. I wouldn't try that defence in a court of law. It won't work.
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks but it also a fact, much increased by covid, that many people are suffering mental health issues, and ill considered labelling of people is not acceptable to many
I always find it interesting that it seems acceptable to call someone an idiot, but not acceptable to call them a moron or imbecile, when in fact an idiot was classified as someone with a lower IQ than a moron or an imbecile under that antiquated system of psychological classification
Thanks! I had been trying to work out what language was acceptable to the arbiters of PB (I am assuming you're properly authorised to make a declaration on the acceptability of language here).
"Idiot" it is then. Though it hardly seems strong enough for people who still don't believe in face masks. I'd prefer "deluded" if I'm allowed to say that, but I'll wait for permission before doing so.
Idiot was on the same scale for intellectual disability.
Idiot IQ 0-25 Imbecile IQ 26-50 Moron IQ 51-75
So if you are accepting the idea that past uses render these unacceptable despite modern slang uses, then you need to lose that one too. Personally I don't subscribe to that doctrine except at a level of common courtesy, as I don't think that old uses should as a matter of dogma prevent modern use.
Though technicality these are not mental illnesses.
You might try Shakespearian insults, which I quite like.
BTW I identify with the PSD - my grandad, who died before I was born, was in WW1. With him it came out as occasional depression and domestic violence.
Roll out the footy analogies... 'We are 6-0 up, in the last minute of the game, but sides have lost from here before...'
LOL
I'd like to think our journalists would ask about lifting restrictions early, but I suspect they will be wittering on about holidays again, and with a subsidary about decorating... I firmly believe we have enough evidence in terms of cases (not rising), population antibodies (thanks ONS), evidence of real world vaccine effects (both within patient, and in preventing/reducing transmission) to be less cautious, but I'd be amazed if any of the lobby ask about it.
It is very odd how the May 17 date is now seemingly set in stone. What the government could offer – through its own rules – is a raft of so-called test events with full crowds – e.g. Royal Ascot and the England vs Scotland Euro 2021 match at Wembley. Those dates are so close to the end date of June 21 (just a few days before it) that imposing restrictions on them seems farcical.
It’s still only small percentages allowed in arenas after the 17th, not full houses?
When they talk about fans in grounds, I hadn’t realised for Leicester semi you could only go if you lived in Brent. The fans looked more bemused than excited.
That's the point I'm making. The events I cite are a few days before 21 June – they should be allowed full crowds.
Do you think there will be full crowds everywhere after 21 June? It’s not mandatory is it, venues have right to restrict and distance.
No it's not mandatory. If Ascot want to run a half crowd then up to them, ditto Wembley, pandemic or no pandemic, that's their right. But given those events I cite are literally a few days before 21 June then mandating the restrictions is farcical.
To put that in clear terms: England play Scotland on Friday 18 June. That's the biggest football match on these shores for years. The restrictions are due to be lifted the following Monday. Under the current plans, Wembley would be limited to 10,000 fans – not even enough to meet Scotland's away allocation, never mind England's. If the game were staged just 60 hours later, they could sell out all 90,000 tickets.
Royal Ascot is the same week 15-19 June.
What exactly is your point? I find it hard to infer from your posts at times.
My point being that your point is a good one. 60 hours later could be potential sell out. So why not special dispensation for the full house?
Well, the date may have been fabricated on basis it is sixty hours this side in the first place. My point being, if it was sixty hours or more later, they wouldn’t have tried to sell anything near the full house. The government and scientists wouldn’t’ the have been comfortable with that, nor Wembley stadium.
After June 21st it’s not normal, it’s new normal.
Eh? What does this mean? There are games in the tournament after 21 June, that will not be subject to restrictions. Why should England vs Scotland be? What is "new normal"?
You didn’t anticipate the new normal? Quite embarrassing really. I’ll be laughing at you lot through my new mask. 😁
I do hope you’ve booked, or you ain’t getting in 😆
What on Earth are you talking about? I find your posts to be little more than insidious drivel to be honest.
Rather than this endless drumbeat of fear that you luxuriate in, could you let us know your views on releasing all legal restrictions on 21 June?
Alison Pearson on the front of the Tely today declaring she won’t be wearing a mask this summer.
But Only a fascist will make a comment at someone choosing to wear one?
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks but it also a fact, much increased by covid, that many people are suffering mental health issues, and ill considered labelling of people is not acceptable to many
I always find it interesting that it seems acceptable to call someone an idiot, but not acceptable to call them a moron or imbecile, when in fact an idiot was classified as someone with a lower IQ than a moron or an imbecile under that antiquated system of psychological classification
Thanks! I had been trying to work out what language was acceptable to the arbiters of PB (I am assuming you're properly authorised to make a declaration on the acceptability of language here).
"Idiot" it is then. Though it hardly seems strong enough for people who still don't believe in face masks. I'd prefer "deluded" if I'm allowed to say that, but I'll wait for permission before doing so.
Idiot was on the same scale for intellectual disability.
Idiot IQ 0-25 Imbecile IQ 26-50 Moron IQ 51-75
So if you are accepting the idea that past uses render these unacceptable despite modern slang uses, then you need to use that one too.
Though technicality these are not mental illness.
You might try Shakespearian, which I quite like,
BTW I identify with the PSD - my grandad, who died before I was born, was in WW1. With him it came out as depression and domestic violence.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
BREAKING: Arlene Foster says she will step down as DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s First Minister, following calls within the party for a leadership contest. More on @SkyNews now.
But I think we can already answer the big question: Will the DUP appoint a leader who will let us into the secret of what the DUP wants from Brexit and the border issue instead of the long list of what they don't? QTWTAIN
And will a disgruntled Foster shuffle off to form the Uladh party?
Edit: not the 'Uladh' party, d'oh. Unless she has a major change of heart about Irish/British identity.
ULDH.. no vowels is on trend...
When did U stop being a vowel?
Could be worse, in Welsh we have two extra vowels.
It was all a misunderstanding though. It was meant to be one extra vowel, but when ‘W’ was chosen somebody asked ‘why?’ and so Y ended up being one as well.
Perhaps you could donate one to the Czechs? They could use it!
I think Serbo-Croat is even more in need. There's an island off the Croatian coast called Krk.
Apparently, there's a town in Scotland called Abrdn
Verily, the home of Abrdn Asst Mngmnt.
There was no y or j in classical Latin but lots of words that ended in ii. Medieval scribes started to write a flourish under the terminal i and so j was born. Later on i and j were merged and y is their bastard offspring. Because neither letter is rooted in classical orthography they are used anarchically in every modern language, although monoglots tend to think that theirs is the correct way.
Y in English can be a terminal vowel (body), a median vowel (rhythm) or an initial vowel (yttrium) or, more usually, a diphthong (yes) in which case it is part of a vowel combination. But y in English is NEVER a consonant, and any teacher who told you it was should have their pension docked.
What about yacht? Or does that count as a Dutch loanword?
It's a diphthong: one vowel eliding into another. You can probably blame the Dutch for pronouncing 'a' as 'o' though. The easiest way to amuse a Netherlander is to try speaking their language. They never seem to take offence. Maybe I just look helpless.
Roll out the footy analogies... 'We are 6-0 up, in the last minute of the game, but sides have lost from here before...'
LOL
I'd like to think our journalists would ask about lifting restrictions early, but I suspect they will be wittering on about holidays again, and with a subsidary about decorating... I firmly believe we have enough evidence in terms of cases (not rising), population antibodies (thanks ONS), evidence of real world vaccine effects (both within patient, and in preventing/reducing transmission) to be less cautious, but I'd be amazed if any of the lobby ask about it.
It is very odd how the May 17 date is now seemingly set in stone. What the government could offer – through its own rules – is a raft of so-called test events with full crowds – e.g. Royal Ascot and the England vs Scotland Euro 2021 match at Wembley. Those dates are so close to the end date of June 21 (just a few days before it) that imposing restrictions on them seems farcical.
It’s still only small percentages allowed in arenas after the 17th, not full houses?
When they talk about fans in grounds, I hadn’t realised for Leicester semi you could only go if you lived in Brent. The fans looked more bemused than excited.
That's the point I'm making. The events I cite are a few days before 21 June – they should be allowed full crowds.
Do you think there will be full crowds everywhere after 21 June? It’s not mandatory is it, venues have right to restrict and distance.
No it's not mandatory. If Ascot want to run a half crowd then up to them, ditto Wembley, pandemic or no pandemic, that's their right. But given those events I cite are literally a few days before 21 June then mandating the restrictions is farcical.
To put that in clear terms: England play Scotland on Friday 18 June. That's the biggest football match on these shores for years. The restrictions are due to be lifted the following Monday. Under the current plans, Wembley would be limited to 10,000 fans – not even enough to meet Scotland's away allocation, never mind England's. If the game were staged just 60 hours later, they could sell out all 90,000 tickets.
Royal Ascot is the same week 15-19 June.
What exactly is your point? I find it hard to infer from your posts at times.
My point being that your point is a good one. 60 hours later could be potential sell out. So why not special dispensation for the full house?
Well, the date may have been fabricated on basis it is sixty hours this side in the first place. My point being, if it was sixty hours or more later, they wouldn’t have tried to sell anything near the full house. The government and scientists wouldn’t’ the have been comfortable with that, nor Wembley stadium.
After June 21st it’s not normal, it’s new normal.
Eh? What does this mean? There are games in the tournament after 21 June, that will not be subject to restrictions. Why should England vs Scotland be? What is "new normal"?
You didn’t anticipate the new normal? Quite embarrassing really. I’ll be laughing at you lot through my new mask. 😁
I do hope you’ve booked, or you ain’t getting in 😆
What on Earth are you talking about? I find your posts to be little more than insidious drivel to be honest.
Rather than this endless drumbeat of fear that you luxuriate in, could you let us know your views on releasing all legal restrictions on 21 June?
Alison Pearson on the front of the Tely today declaring she won’t be wearing a mask this summer.
But Only a fascist will make a comment at someone choosing to wear one?
At least two years of new normal.
In what sense new normal? Can you outline your thinking rather than using buzzwords?
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"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks but it also a fact, much increased by covid, that many people are suffering mental health issues, and ill considered labelling of people is not acceptable to many
I always find it interesting that it seems acceptable to call someone an idiot, but not acceptable to call them a moron or imbecile, when in fact an idiot was classified as someone with a lower IQ than a moron or an imbecile under that antiquated system of psychological classification
Thanks! I had been trying to work out what language was acceptable to the arbiters of PB (I am assuming you're properly authorised to make a declaration on the acceptability of language here).
"Idiot" it is then. Though it hardly seems strong enough for people who still don't believe in face masks. I'd prefer "deluded" if I'm allowed to say that, but I'll wait for permission before doing so.
Idiot was on the same scale for intellectual disability.
Idiot IQ 0-25 Imbecile IQ 26-50 Moron IQ 51-75
So if you are accepting the idea that past uses render these unacceptable despite modern slang uses, then you need to use that one too.
Though technicality these are not mental illness.
You might try Shakespearian, which I quite like,
BTW I identify with the PSD - my grandad, who died before I was born, was in WW1. With him it came out as depression and domestic violence.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
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6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks but it also a fact, much increased by covid, that many people are suffering mental health issues, and ill considered labelling of people is not acceptable to many
I always find it interesting that it seems acceptable to call someone an idiot, but not acceptable to call them a moron or imbecile, when in fact an idiot was classified as someone with a lower IQ than a moron or an imbecile under that antiquated system of psychological classification
Thanks! I had been trying to work out what language was acceptable to the arbiters of PB (I am assuming you're properly authorised to make a declaration on the acceptability of language here).
"Idiot" it is then. Though it hardly seems strong enough for people who still don't believe in face masks. I'd prefer "deluded" if I'm allowed to say that, but I'll wait for permission before doing so.
Idiot was on the same scale for intellectual disability.
Idiot IQ 0-25 Imbecile IQ 26-50 Moron IQ 51-75
So if you are accepting the idea that past uses render these unacceptable despite modern slang uses, then you need to lose that one too. Personally I don't subscribe to that doctrine except at a level of common courtesy, as I don't think that old uses should as a matter of dogma prevent modern use.
Though technicality these are not mental illnesses.
You might try Shakespearian insults, which I quite like.
BTW I identify with the PSD - my grandad, who died before I was born, was in WW1. With him it came out as occasional depression and domestic violence.
Imbecile wind. Blowing every time you move your mouth. Blowing down the back roads heading south.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
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But you did diss Radiohead, and you’re still with us.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general list.
But you did diss Radiohead, and you’re still with us.
When you thought it couldn't get any worse Nestle are moving more jobs out of the UK to EU countries. I've worked for them many times in Germany and Switzerland. A really nice company. Very civilised.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
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3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
Clarification on (3) is the C word Cameron, Conservative or Curtains?
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
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3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
Mumble mumble pineapple pizza mumble?
No, I'm fine with people admitting their degeneracy about eating pizzas laden with pineapple.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
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4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
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6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
Clarification on (3) is the C word Cameron, Conservative or Curtains?
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks but it also a fact, much increased by covid, that many people are suffering mental health issues, and ill considered labelling of people is not acceptable to many
I always find it interesting that it seems acceptable to call someone an idiot, but not acceptable to call them a moron or imbecile, when in fact an idiot was classified as someone with a lower IQ than a moron or an imbecile under that antiquated system of psychological classification
Thanks! I had been trying to work out what language was acceptable to the arbiters of PB (I am assuming you're properly authorised to make a declaration on the acceptability of language here).
"Idiot" it is then. Though it hardly seems strong enough for people who still don't believe in face masks. I'd prefer "deluded" if I'm allowed to say that, but I'll wait for permission before doing so.
Idiot was on the same scale for intellectual disability.
Idiot IQ 0-25 Imbecile IQ 26-50 Moron IQ 51-75
So if you are accepting the idea that past uses render these unacceptable despite modern slang uses, then you need to use that one too.
Though technicality these are not mental illness.
You might try Shakespearian, which I quite like,
BTW I identify with the PSD - my grandad, who died before I was born, was in WW1. With him it came out as depression and domestic violence.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
Wishing you luck...
Thanks.
Fortunately a couple of people have kindly offered to vet my comments before I post them from now on. Hopefully this will avoid any further offence. ..........................................................................
To be honest I think Mr Johnson may be a bit of a fibber, but no one should accuse him of that (even if they were there and heard what he said) unless there is a recording, because people shouldn't say things like that if they can't back them up.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
One thing to say - thanks very much to Mike and Rob for all the work they do, this site is brilliant even if there are no fellow Trumpsters are here.
Also, thanks to the regular article writers on here. I have written a few and know how long they take so kudos to those who do.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
One thing to say - thanks very much to Mike and Rob for all the work they do, this site is brilliant even if there are no fellow Trumpsters are here.
Also, thanks to the regular article writers on here. I have written a few and know how long they take so kudos to those who do.
A rare moment when I wholeheartedly agree with one of your posts.
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks but it also a fact, much increased by covid, that many people are suffering mental health issues, and ill considered labelling of people is not acceptable to many
I always find it interesting that it seems acceptable to call someone an idiot, but not acceptable to call them a moron or imbecile, when in fact an idiot was classified as someone with a lower IQ than a moron or an imbecile under that antiquated system of psychological classification
Thanks! I had been trying to work out what language was acceptable to the arbiters of PB (I am assuming you're properly authorised to make a declaration on the acceptability of language here).
"Idiot" it is then. Though it hardly seems strong enough for people who still don't believe in face masks. I'd prefer "deluded" if I'm allowed to say that, but I'll wait for permission before doing so.
Idiot was on the same scale for intellectual disability.
Idiot IQ 0-25 Imbecile IQ 26-50 Moron IQ 51-75
So if you are accepting the idea that past uses render these unacceptable despite modern slang uses, then you need to use that one too.
Though technicality these are not mental illness.
You might try Shakespearian, which I quite like,
BTW I identify with the PSD - my grandad, who died before I was born, was in WW1. With him it came out as depression and domestic violence.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
Just follow Gibbon's example and you'll be fine:
My English text is chaste, and all licentious passages are left in the obscurity of a learned language.
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks but it also a fact, much increased by covid, that many people are suffering mental health issues, and ill considered labelling of people is not acceptable to many
I always find it interesting that it seems acceptable to call someone an idiot, but not acceptable to call them a moron or imbecile, when in fact an idiot was classified as someone with a lower IQ than a moron or an imbecile under that antiquated system of psychological classification
Thanks! I had been trying to work out what language was acceptable to the arbiters of PB (I am assuming you're properly authorised to make a declaration on the acceptability of language here).
"Idiot" it is then. Though it hardly seems strong enough for people who still don't believe in face masks. I'd prefer "deluded" if I'm allowed to say that, but I'll wait for permission before doing so.
Idiot was on the same scale for intellectual disability.
Idiot IQ 0-25 Imbecile IQ 26-50 Moron IQ 51-75
So if you are accepting the idea that past uses render these unacceptable despite modern slang uses, then you need to use that one too.
Though technicality these are not mental illness.
You might try Shakespearian, which I quite like,
BTW I identify with the PSD - my grandad, who died before I was born, was in WW1. With him it came out as depression and domestic violence.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
Just take Gibbon's advice and you'll be fine:
My English text is chaste, and all licentious passages are left in the obscurity of a learned language
Would Pig Latin qualify as a "learned language"? I learned mine from the Three Stooges!
Thread suggesting the Sputnik problem is more likely to be contamination in the production process (but honestly, no one yet knows what it is): https://twitter.com/Kaelberviridae/status/1387454489720983554 ... Contamination in biomanufacturing is common, esp if one uses substandard input materials (serum for cell growth is a huge source of virus contamination!) or substandard conditions/facilities/PPE (operators are another big source)...
Note the vaccine has multiple contract manufacturers.
Roll out the footy analogies... 'We are 6-0 up, in the last minute of the game, but sides have lost from here before...'
LOL
I'd like to think our journalists would ask about lifting restrictions early, but I suspect they will be wittering on about holidays again, and with a subsidary about decorating... I firmly believe we have enough evidence in terms of cases (not rising), population antibodies (thanks ONS), evidence of real world vaccine effects (both within patient, and in preventing/reducing transmission) to be less cautious, but I'd be amazed if any of the lobby ask about it.
It is very odd how the May 17 date is now seemingly set in stone. What the government could offer – through its own rules – is a raft of so-called test events with full crowds – e.g. Royal Ascot and the England vs Scotland Euro 2021 match at Wembley. Those dates are so close to the end date of June 21 (just a few days before it) that imposing restrictions on them seems farcical.
It’s still only small percentages allowed in arenas after the 17th, not full houses?
When they talk about fans in grounds, I hadn’t realised for Leicester semi you could only go if you lived in Brent. The fans looked more bemused than excited.
That's the point I'm making. The events I cite are a few days before 21 June – they should be allowed full crowds.
Do you think there will be full crowds everywhere after 21 June? It’s not mandatory is it, venues have right to restrict and distance.
No it's not mandatory. If Ascot want to run a half crowd then up to them, ditto Wembley, pandemic or no pandemic, that's their right. But given those events I cite are literally a few days before 21 June then mandating the restrictions is farcical.
To put that in clear terms: England play Scotland on Friday 18 June. That's the biggest football match on these shores for years. The restrictions are due to be lifted the following Monday. Under the current plans, Wembley would be limited to 10,000 fans – not even enough to meet Scotland's away allocation, never mind England's. If the game were staged just 60 hours later, they could sell out all 90,000 tickets.
Royal Ascot is the same week 15-19 June.
What exactly is your point? I find it hard to infer from your posts at times.
My point being that your point is a good one. 60 hours later could be potential sell out. So why not special dispensation for the full house?
Well, the date may have been fabricated on basis it is sixty hours this side in the first place. My point being, if it was sixty hours or more later, they wouldn’t have tried to sell anything near the full house. The government and scientists wouldn’t’ the have been comfortable with that, nor Wembley stadium.
After June 21st it’s not normal, it’s new normal.
Eh? What does this mean? There are games in the tournament after 21 June, that will not be subject to restrictions. Why should England vs Scotland be? What is "new normal"?
You didn’t anticipate the new normal? Quite embarrassing really. I’ll be laughing at you lot through my new mask. 😁
I do hope you’ve booked, or you ain’t getting in 😆
What on Earth are you talking about? I find your posts to be little more than insidious drivel to be honest.
Rather than this endless drumbeat of fear that you luxuriate in, could you let us know your views on releasing all legal restrictions on 21 June?
Alison Pearson on the front of the Tely today declaring she won’t be wearing a mask this summer.
But Only a fascist will make a comment at someone choosing to wear one?
At least two years of new normal.
In what sense new normal? Can you outline your thinking rather than using buzzwords?
This summer. Mask wearing. Half filled stadiums and venues. You can even see scuffles and fights between masks wearers and mask haters.
Autumn/winter. Lockdowns and restrictions. Third UK wave may even hit earlier than that, I think July.
Further afield, tons more home working as norm, killing a whole business subset reliant on commuters, and economic productivity will decrease because of home working leaving us in debt much longer than expected. And there will be schooling from home as well, for those who thought it would remain childcare whilst they are home working in peace. If you don’t have to use office for everything, they don’t think have to use classroom either for project work.
In long run I also suspect greater inequality, especially in digital divide that will widen at pace, between parts of world and within countries. Inequality becoming racial. rising authoritarianism and nationalism (home shoring, stockpiling, which itself bring extra expense). and even more rampant misinformation and conspiracy on social media.
And not even ruling out muskrat flu (dubbed Trump Flu by Chinese in Trumps second term) cow chest, and dormouse sickness - should COVID be one off pandemic and not start of a trend as old lifestyles meet 21st century globalvillage and pollution?
Can’t even rule out bringing something back from space.
Until eventually all this new normality melds into great plague during the great storm.
Thread suggesting the Sputnik problem is more likely to be contamination in the production process (but honestly, no one yet knows what it is): https://twitter.com/Kaelberviridae/status/1387454489720983554 ... Contamination in biomanufacturing is common, esp if one uses substandard input materials (serum for cell growth is a huge source of virus contamination!) or substandard conditions/facilities/PPE (operators are another big source)...
Note the vaccine has multiple contract manufacturers.
Contaminated by Lysenkoism? The last POTUS had similar problem.
In 1969, the loneliest man in all of history, as he orbited the Moon alone.
I've heard Michael Collins referred to as "the Forgotten Astronaut," since he never set foot on the moon But one thing about him that I never forget is this photo, where he is the only person living or dead, not contained within the frame. RIP https://twitter.com/coryruchlin/status/1387444366973751297/photo/1
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks but it also a fact, much increased by covid, that many people are suffering mental health issues, and ill considered labelling of people is not acceptable to many
I always find it interesting that it seems acceptable to call someone an idiot, but not acceptable to call them a moron or imbecile, when in fact an idiot was classified as someone with a lower IQ than a moron or an imbecile under that antiquated system of psychological classification
Thanks! I had been trying to work out what language was acceptable to the arbiters of PB (I am assuming you're properly authorised to make a declaration on the acceptability of language here).
"Idiot" it is then. Though it hardly seems strong enough for people who still don't believe in face masks. I'd prefer "deluded" if I'm allowed to say that, but I'll wait for permission before doing so.
Idiot was on the same scale for intellectual disability.
Idiot IQ 0-25 Imbecile IQ 26-50 Moron IQ 51-75
So if you are accepting the idea that past uses render these unacceptable despite modern slang uses, then you need to use that one too.
Though technicality these are not mental illness.
You might try Shakespearian, which I quite like,
BTW I identify with the PSD - my grandad, who died before I was born, was in WW1. With him it came out as depression and domestic violence.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
Just take Gibbon's advice and you'll be fine:
My English text is chaste, and all licentious passages are left in the obscurity of a learned language
Would Pig Latin qualify as a "learned language"? I learned mine from the Three Stooges!
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
One thing to say - thanks very much to Mike and Rob for all the work they do, this site is brilliant even if there are no fellow Trumpsters are here.
Also, thanks to the regular article writers on here. I have written a few and know how long they take so kudos to those who do.
Second that motion, heck I've already said that OGH should get a peerage. With a lesser title for RCS? Lord Punter and his heir, Lord Pointspread?
Also think it appropriate to recognize the contributions of TSE.
Despite the fact he's apparently left yours truly high and dry re: his legal "work" on behalf of West West Virginia!
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks but it also a fact, much increased by covid, that many people are suffering mental health issues, and ill considered labelling of people is not acceptable to many
I always find it interesting that it seems acceptable to call someone an idiot, but not acceptable to call them a moron or imbecile, when in fact an idiot was classified as someone with a lower IQ than a moron or an imbecile under that antiquated system of psychological classification
Thanks! I had been trying to work out what language was acceptable to the arbiters of PB (I am assuming you're properly authorised to make a declaration on the acceptability of language here).
"Idiot" it is then. Though it hardly seems strong enough for people who still don't believe in face masks. I'd prefer "deluded" if I'm allowed to say that, but I'll wait for permission before doing so.
Idiot was on the same scale for intellectual disability.
Idiot IQ 0-25 Imbecile IQ 26-50 Moron IQ 51-75
So if you are accepting the idea that past uses render these unacceptable despite modern slang uses, then you need to use that one too.
Though technicality these are not mental illness.
You might try Shakespearian, which I quite like,
BTW I identify with the PSD - my grandad, who died before I was born, was in WW1. With him it came out as depression and domestic violence.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
Just take Gibbon's advice and you'll be fine:
My English text is chaste, and all licentious passages are left in the obscurity of a learned language
Would Pig Latin qualify as a "learned language"? I learned mine from the Three Stooges!
My politics are Marxist - Groucho Marxist.
Well, in that case sus Minervam docet.
Sounds like a igspay in a ockpay to me.
EDIT sorry, should be "okepay" above. Me pig latin's a bit ustypay!
The one thing that came out of PMQs for me was Boris's denial he said those words and challenged those who said he had to bring forward their evidence, as they have none
The simple task for the so called whstlblowers is to bring forward a tape or recording of him saying those words and he has to resign following his HOC denial today
I would also caution those who may want to accuse Boris, that in view of how angry he was they do not stray into controversial legal territory
Do you think he knows there's no tape and therefore is safe to lie through his teeth about it?
Lord Irvine said the wallpaper is not like something from a DIY store
Opposition MPs, newspapers and DIY stores have joined forces to attack the Lord Chancellor after he described spending £650,000 of public money on decorating his flat as a "noble cause".
Lord Irvine of Lairg said the investment on his official apartment in the House of Lords would be appreciated by future generations."
Well, Boris Johnson doubtless appreciates being able to cite him
Didn't Michael Martin spend an extortionate sum on the Speaker's Apartment as well?
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks ...
We're only having this discussion because you said a word I'd used was "just not acceptable"!
This place doesn't improve.
Fuck off then.
Calm down girls!
I think it was meant to be irony. It would be a bit like me saying: "Welcome malcolmg, I am sooo looking forward to the intelligent analysis that you will no doubt enlighten us with this evening. "
or..
"Malc, tell us how you love the English so"
Take Topping's tip, "Fuck Off then" in case you missed it ,the site would be a better place without your dribbling.
Could we get back to talking about wallpaper. It is a more polite conversation.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
One thing to say - thanks very much to Mike and Rob for all the work they do, this site is brilliant even if there are no fellow Trumpsters are here.
Also, thanks to the regular article writers on here. I have written a few and know how long they take so kudos to those who do.
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks but it also a fact, much increased by covid, that many people are suffering mental health issues, and ill considered labelling of people is not acceptable to many
I always find it interesting that it seems acceptable to call someone an idiot, but not acceptable to call them a moron or imbecile, when in fact an idiot was classified as someone with a lower IQ than a moron or an imbecile under that antiquated system of psychological classification
Thanks! I had been trying to work out what language was acceptable to the arbiters of PB (I am assuming you're properly authorised to make a declaration on the acceptability of language here).
"Idiot" it is then. Though it hardly seems strong enough for people who still don't believe in face masks. I'd prefer "deluded" if I'm allowed to say that, but I'll wait for permission before doing so.
Idiot was on the same scale for intellectual disability.
Idiot IQ 0-25 Imbecile IQ 26-50 Moron IQ 51-75
So if you are accepting the idea that past uses render these unacceptable despite modern slang uses, then you need to use that one too.
Though technicality these are not mental illness.
You might try Shakespearian, which I quite like,
BTW I identify with the PSD - my grandad, who died before I was born, was in WW1. With him it came out as depression and domestic violence.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
Just take Gibbon's advice and you'll be fine:
My English text is chaste, and all licentious passages are left in the obscurity of a learned language
Would Pig Latin qualify as a "learned language"? I learned mine from the Three Stooges!
My politics are Marxist - Groucho Marxist.
Well, in that case sus Minervam docet.
Sounds like a igspay in a ockpay to me.
EDIT sorry, should be "okepay" above. Me pig latin's a bit ustypay!
I confess I've always found pig latin hard to follow, when it's not supposed to be, as it comes up occasionally on american shows particularly.
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks but it also a fact, much increased by covid, that many people are suffering mental health issues, and ill considered labelling of people is not acceptable to many
I always find it interesting that it seems acceptable to call someone an idiot, but not acceptable to call them a moron or imbecile, when in fact an idiot was classified as someone with a lower IQ than a moron or an imbecile under that antiquated system of psychological classification
Thanks! I had been trying to work out what language was acceptable to the arbiters of PB (I am assuming you're properly authorised to make a declaration on the acceptability of language here).
"Idiot" it is then. Though it hardly seems strong enough for people who still don't believe in face masks. I'd prefer "deluded" if I'm allowed to say that, but I'll wait for permission before doing so.
Idiot was on the same scale for intellectual disability.
Idiot IQ 0-25 Imbecile IQ 26-50 Moron IQ 51-75
So if you are accepting the idea that past uses render these unacceptable despite modern slang uses, then you need to use that one too.
Though technicality these are not mental illness.
You might try Shakespearian, which I quite like,
BTW I identify with the PSD - my grandad, who died before I was born, was in WW1. With him it came out as depression and domestic violence.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
Just take Gibbon's advice and you'll be fine:
My English text is chaste, and all licentious passages are left in the obscurity of a learned language
Would Pig Latin qualify as a "learned language"? I learned mine from the Three Stooges!
Roll out the footy analogies... 'We are 6-0 up, in the last minute of the game, but sides have lost from here before...'
LOL
I'd like to think our journalists would ask about lifting restrictions early, but I suspect they will be wittering on about holidays again, and with a subsidary about decorating... I firmly believe we have enough evidence in terms of cases (not rising), population antibodies (thanks ONS), evidence of real world vaccine effects (both within patient, and in preventing/reducing transmission) to be less cautious, but I'd be amazed if any of the lobby ask about it.
It is very odd how the May 17 date is now seemingly set in stone. What the government could offer – through its own rules – is a raft of so-called test events with full crowds – e.g. Royal Ascot and the England vs Scotland Euro 2021 match at Wembley. Those dates are so close to the end date of June 21 (just a few days before it) that imposing restrictions on them seems farcical.
It’s still only small percentages allowed in arenas after the 17th, not full houses?
When they talk about fans in grounds, I hadn’t realised for Leicester semi you could only go if you lived in Brent. The fans looked more bemused than excited.
That's the point I'm making. The events I cite are a few days before 21 June – they should be allowed full crowds.
Do you think there will be full crowds everywhere after 21 June? It’s not mandatory is it, venues have right to restrict and distance.
No it's not mandatory. If Ascot want to run a half crowd then up to them, ditto Wembley, pandemic or no pandemic, that's their right. But given those events I cite are literally a few days before 21 June then mandating the restrictions is farcical.
To put that in clear terms: England play Scotland on Friday 18 June. That's the biggest football match on these shores for years. The restrictions are due to be lifted the following Monday. Under the current plans, Wembley would be limited to 10,000 fans – not even enough to meet Scotland's away allocation, never mind England's. If the game were staged just 60 hours later, they could sell out all 90,000 tickets.
Royal Ascot is the same week 15-19 June.
What exactly is your point? I find it hard to infer from your posts at times.
My point being that your point is a good one. 60 hours later could be potential sell out. So why not special dispensation for the full house?
Well, the date may have been fabricated on basis it is sixty hours this side in the first place. My point being, if it was sixty hours or more later, they wouldn’t have tried to sell anything near the full house. The government and scientists wouldn’t’ the have been comfortable with that, nor Wembley stadium.
After June 21st it’s not normal, it’s new normal.
Eh? What does this mean? There are games in the tournament after 21 June, that will not be subject to restrictions. Why should England vs Scotland be? What is "new normal"?
You didn’t anticipate the new normal? Quite embarrassing really. I’ll be laughing at you lot through my new mask. 😁
I do hope you’ve booked, or you ain’t getting in 😆
What on Earth are you talking about? I find your posts to be little more than insidious drivel to be honest.
Rather than this endless drumbeat of fear that you luxuriate in, could you let us know your views on releasing all legal restrictions on 21 June?
Alison Pearson on the front of the Tely today declaring she won’t be wearing a mask this summer.
But Only a fascist will make a comment at someone choosing to wear one?
At least two years of new normal.
In what sense new normal? Can you outline your thinking rather than using buzzwords?
This summer. Mask wearing. Half filled stadiums and venues. You can even see scuffles and fights between masks wearers and mask haters.
Autumn/winter. Lockdowns and restrictions. Third UK wave may even hit earlier than that, I think July.
Further afield, tons more home working as norm, killing a whole business subset reliant on commuters, and economic productivity will decrease because of home working leaving us in debt much longer than expected. And there will be schooling from home as well, for those who thought it would remain childcare whilst they are home working in peace. If you don’t have to use office for everything, they don’t think have to use classroom either for project work.
In long run I also suspect greater inequality, especially in digital divide that will widen at pace, between parts of world and within countries. Inequality becoming racial. rising authoritarianism and nationalism (home shoring, stockpiling, which itself bring extra expense). and even more rampant misinformation and conspiracy on social media.
And not even ruling out muskrat flu (dubbed Trump Flu by Chinese in Trumps second term) cow chest, and dormouse sickness - should COVID be one off pandemic and not start of a trend as old lifestyles meet 21st century globalvillage and pollution?
Can’t even rule out bringing something back from space.
Until eventually all this new normality melds into great plague during the great storm.
Does that answer you question now?
I read this site every day. I rarely comment. But I must say this post is some of the most non-sensical stream-of-consciousness rubbish I’ve ever read. It barely makes any sense at all. What point are you even trying to make?
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks ...
We're only having this discussion because you said a word I'd used was "just not acceptable"!
This place doesn't improve.
Someone politely asked you not to refer to another poster as a “lunatic” and opened up as to why.
The one thing that came out of PMQs for me was Boris's denial he said those words and challenged those who said he had to bring forward their evidence, as they have none
The simple task for the so called whstlblowers is to bring forward a tape or recording of him saying those words and he has to resign following his HOC denial today
I would also caution those who may want to accuse Boris, that in view of how angry he was they do not stray into controversial legal territory
Do you think he knows there's no tape and therefore is safe to lie through his teeth about it?
Lord Irvine said the wallpaper is not like something from a DIY store
Opposition MPs, newspapers and DIY stores have joined forces to attack the Lord Chancellor after he described spending £650,000 of public money on decorating his flat as a "noble cause".
Lord Irvine of Lairg said the investment on his official apartment in the House of Lords would be appreciated by future generations."
Well, Boris Johnson doubtless appreciates being able to cite him
Didn't Michael Martin spend an extortionate sum on the Speaker's Apartment as well?
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks ...
We're only having this discussion because you said a word I'd used was "just not acceptable"!
This place doesn't improve.
Fuck off then.
Calm down girls!
I think it was meant to be irony. It would be a bit like me saying: "Welcome malcolmg, I am sooo looking forward to the intelligent analysis that you will no doubt enlighten us with this evening. "
or..
"Malc, tell us how you love the English so"
Take Topping's tip, "Fuck Off then" in case you missed it ,the site would be a better place without your dribbling.
Could we get back to talking about wallpaper. It is a more polite conversation.
Sure. As in
The Labour Party should throw as much dirt as possible, and see how much sticks to the wallpaper.
Roll out the footy analogies... 'We are 6-0 up, in the last minute of the game, but sides have lost from here before...'
LOL
I'd like to think our journalists would ask about lifting restrictions early, but I suspect they will be wittering on about holidays again, and with a subsidary about decorating... I firmly believe we have enough evidence in terms of cases (not rising), population antibodies (thanks ONS), evidence of real world vaccine effects (both within patient, and in preventing/reducing transmission) to be less cautious, but I'd be amazed if any of the lobby ask about it.
It is very odd how the May 17 date is now seemingly set in stone. What the government could offer – through its own rules – is a raft of so-called test events with full crowds – e.g. Royal Ascot and the England vs Scotland Euro 2021 match at Wembley. Those dates are so close to the end date of June 21 (just a few days before it) that imposing restrictions on them seems farcical.
It’s still only small percentages allowed in arenas after the 17th, not full houses?
When they talk about fans in grounds, I hadn’t realised for Leicester semi you could only go if you lived in Brent. The fans looked more bemused than excited.
That's the point I'm making. The events I cite are a few days before 21 June – they should be allowed full crowds.
Do you think there will be full crowds everywhere after 21 June? It’s not mandatory is it, venues have right to restrict and distance.
No it's not mandatory. If Ascot want to run a half crowd then up to them, ditto Wembley, pandemic or no pandemic, that's their right. But given those events I cite are literally a few days before 21 June then mandating the restrictions is farcical.
To put that in clear terms: England play Scotland on Friday 18 June. That's the biggest football match on these shores for years. The restrictions are due to be lifted the following Monday. Under the current plans, Wembley would be limited to 10,000 fans – not even enough to meet Scotland's away allocation, never mind England's. If the game were staged just 60 hours later, they could sell out all 90,000 tickets.
Royal Ascot is the same week 15-19 June.
What exactly is your point? I find it hard to infer from your posts at times.
My point being that your point is a good one. 60 hours later could be potential sell out. So why not special dispensation for the full house?
Well, the date may have been fabricated on basis it is sixty hours this side in the first place. My point being, if it was sixty hours or more later, they wouldn’t have tried to sell anything near the full house. The government and scientists wouldn’t’ the have been comfortable with that, nor Wembley stadium.
After June 21st it’s not normal, it’s new normal.
Eh? What does this mean? There are games in the tournament after 21 June, that will not be subject to restrictions. Why should England vs Scotland be? What is "new normal"?
You didn’t anticipate the new normal? Quite embarrassing really. I’ll be laughing at you lot through my new mask. 😁
I do hope you’ve booked, or you ain’t getting in 😆
What on Earth are you talking about? I find your posts to be little more than insidious drivel to be honest.
Rather than this endless drumbeat of fear that you luxuriate in, could you let us know your views on releasing all legal restrictions on 21 June?
Alison Pearson on the front of the Tely today declaring she won’t be wearing a mask this summer.
But Only a fascist will make a comment at someone choosing to wear one?
At least two years of new normal.
In what sense new normal? Can you outline your thinking rather than using buzzwords?
This summer. Mask wearing. Half filled stadiums and venues. You can even see scuffles and fights between masks wearers and mask haters.
Autumn/winter. Lockdowns and restrictions. Third UK wave may even hit earlier than that, I think July.
Further afield, tons more home working as norm, killing a whole business subset reliant on commuters, and economic productivity will decrease because of home working leaving us in debt much longer than expected. And there will be schooling from home as well, for those who thought it would remain childcare whilst they are home working in peace. If you don’t have to use office for everything, they don’t think have to use classroom either for project work.
In long run I also suspect greater inequality, especially in digital divide that will widen at pace, between parts of world and within countries. Inequality becoming racial. rising authoritarianism and nationalism (home shoring, stockpiling, which itself bring extra expense). and even more rampant misinformation and conspiracy on social media.
And not even ruling out muskrat flu (dubbed Trump Flu by Chinese in Trumps second term) cow chest, and dormouse sickness - should COVID be one off pandemic and not start of a trend as old lifestyles meet 21st century globalvillage and pollution?
Can’t even rule out bringing something back from space.
Until eventually all this new normality melds into great plague during the great storm.
Does that answer you question now?
Odd because only the other day you were saying how Boris had “beaten covid”. Anyone would think you are just an attention seeker. Probably one of the most hysterical hyperbolic posts on PB, in a very crowded, competitive field.
The one thing that came out of PMQs for me was Boris's denial he said those words and challenged those who said he had to bring forward their evidence, as they have none
The simple task for the so called whstlblowers is to bring forward a tape or recording of him saying those words and he has to resign following his HOC denial today
I would also caution those who may want to accuse Boris, that in view of how angry he was they do not stray into controversial legal territory
Do you think he knows there's no tape and therefore is safe to lie through his teeth about it?
Lord Irvine said the wallpaper is not like something from a DIY store
Opposition MPs, newspapers and DIY stores have joined forces to attack the Lord Chancellor after he described spending £650,000 of public money on decorating his flat as a "noble cause".
Lord Irvine of Lairg said the investment on his official apartment in the House of Lords would be appreciated by future generations."
Well, Boris Johnson doubtless appreciates being able to cite him
Didn't Michael Martin spend an extortionate sum on the Speaker's Apartment as well?
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks ...
We're only having this discussion because you said a word I'd used was "just not acceptable"!
This place doesn't improve.
Fuck off then.
Calm down girls!
I think it was meant to be irony. It would be a bit like me saying: "Welcome malcolmg, I am sooo looking forward to the intelligent analysis that you will no doubt enlighten us with this evening. "
or..
"Malc, tell us how you love the English so"
Take Topping's tip, "Fuck Off then" in case you missed it ,the site would be a better place without your dribbling.
Could we get back to talking about wallpaper. It is a more polite conversation.
Sure. As in
The Labour Party should be throw much dirt as possible, and see how much sticks to the wallpaper.
Meanwhile, the Tories need to hurl as much whitewash at it as possible.
Nothing to do with the scandal, and everything to do with the bloody awfulness of the decor.
— Scoop from the NYT’s William Rashbaum, Ben Protess and Maggie Haberman: “Federal investigators in Manhattan executed a search warrant on Wednesday at the Upper East Side apartment of RUDOLPH W. GIULIANI, the former New York City mayor who became President DONALD J. TRUMP’S personal lawyer, stepping up a criminal investigation into Mr. Giuliani’s dealings in Ukraine, three people with knowledge of the matter said.
“One of the people said the investigators had seized Mr. Giuliani’s electronic devices. Executing a search warrant is an extraordinary move for prosecutors to take against a lawyer, let alone a lawyer for a former president, and it marks a major turning point in the long-running investigation into Mr. Giuliani. … Under Mr. Trump, senior political appointees in the Justice Department repeatedly sought to block such a warrant … After MERRICK B. GARLAND was confirmed as President Biden’s attorney general, the Justice Department lifted its objection.”
— At the crux of the probe, investigators have been trying to figure out whether Giuliani lobbied Trump illegally for favors for Ukrainian oligarchs who were helping him sniff out Biden controversies. One of the key questions has been whether he was paid for trying to persuade Trump to oust U.S. Ambassador MARIE YOVANOVITCH.
Notably, House impeachment investigators chose not to pursue this financial angle as part of their investigation in the fall of 2019. But it may be the thing that lands Giuliani in the most trouble.
Comment - apparently author of above is too young to remember back to when Rudy was the head of the office that just raided his humble (?) abode.
Sort of like if Elliot Ness had ended up working for Murder, Inc.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
Why 8? It is clearly true, especially in US politics, why should we pretend it does not happen? Pollsters are commercial organisations with business interests and operate in a partisan media world, of course some of them are sometimes partisan?
Roll out the footy analogies... 'We are 6-0 up, in the last minute of the game, but sides have lost from here before...'
LOL
I'd like to think our journalists would ask about lifting restrictions early, but I suspect they will be wittering on about holidays again, and with a subsidary about decorating... I firmly believe we have enough evidence in terms of cases (not rising), population antibodies (thanks ONS), evidence of real world vaccine effects (both within patient, and in preventing/reducing transmission) to be less cautious, but I'd be amazed if any of the lobby ask about it.
It is very odd how the May 17 date is now seemingly set in stone. What the government could offer – through its own rules – is a raft of so-called test events with full crowds – e.g. Royal Ascot and the England vs Scotland Euro 2021 match at Wembley. Those dates are so close to the end date of June 21 (just a few days before it) that imposing restrictions on them seems farcical.
It’s still only small percentages allowed in arenas after the 17th, not full houses?
When they talk about fans in grounds, I hadn’t realised for Leicester semi you could only go if you lived in Brent. The fans looked more bemused than excited.
That's the point I'm making. The events I cite are a few days before 21 June – they should be allowed full crowds.
Do you think there will be full crowds everywhere after 21 June? It’s not mandatory is it, venues have right to restrict and distance.
No it's not mandatory. If Ascot want to run a half crowd then up to them, ditto Wembley, pandemic or no pandemic, that's their right. But given those events I cite are literally a few days before 21 June then mandating the restrictions is farcical.
To put that in clear terms: England play Scotland on Friday 18 June. That's the biggest football match on these shores for years. The restrictions are due to be lifted the following Monday. Under the current plans, Wembley would be limited to 10,000 fans – not even enough to meet Scotland's away allocation, never mind England's. If the game were staged just 60 hours later, they could sell out all 90,000 tickets.
Royal Ascot is the same week 15-19 June.
What exactly is your point? I find it hard to infer from your posts at times.
My point being that your point is a good one. 60 hours later could be potential sell out. So why not special dispensation for the full house?
Well, the date may have been fabricated on basis it is sixty hours this side in the first place. My point being, if it was sixty hours or more later, they wouldn’t have tried to sell anything near the full house. The government and scientists wouldn’t’ the have been comfortable with that, nor Wembley stadium.
After June 21st it’s not normal, it’s new normal.
Eh? What does this mean? There are games in the tournament after 21 June, that will not be subject to restrictions. Why should England vs Scotland be? What is "new normal"?
You didn’t anticipate the new normal? Quite embarrassing really. I’ll be laughing at you lot through my new mask. 😁
I do hope you’ve booked, or you ain’t getting in 😆
What on Earth are you talking about? I find your posts to be little more than insidious drivel to be honest.
Rather than this endless drumbeat of fear that you luxuriate in, could you let us know your views on releasing all legal restrictions on 21 June?
Alison Pearson on the front of the Tely today declaring she won’t be wearing a mask this summer.
But Only a fascist will make a comment at someone choosing to wear one?
At least two years of new normal.
In what sense new normal? Can you outline your thinking rather than using buzzwords?
This summer. Mask wearing. Half filled stadiums and venues. You can even see scuffles and fights between masks wearers and mask haters.
Autumn/winter. Lockdowns and restrictions. Third UK wave may even hit earlier than that, I think July.
Further afield, tons more home working as norm, killing a whole business subset reliant on commuters, and economic productivity will decrease because of home working leaving us in debt much longer than expected. And there will be schooling from home as well, for those who thought it would remain childcare whilst they are home working in peace. If you don’t have to use office for everything, they don’t think have to use classroom either for project work.
In long run I also suspect greater inequality, especially in digital divide that will widen at pace, between parts of world and within countries. Inequality becoming racial. rising authoritarianism and nationalism (home shoring, stockpiling, which itself bring extra expense). and even more rampant misinformation and conspiracy on social media.
And not even ruling out muskrat flu (dubbed Trump Flu by Chinese in Trumps second term) cow chest, and dormouse sickness - should COVID be one off pandemic and not start of a trend as old lifestyles meet 21st century globalvillage and pollution?
Can’t even rule out bringing something back from space.
Until eventually all this new normality melds into great plague during the great storm.
Does that answer you question now?
Odd because only the other day you were saying how Boris had “beaten covid”. Anyone would think you are just an attention seeker.
You know, that’s probably your most politest reply to me 🙂
I’ll admit to oscillating between optimism and pessimism.
Without getting too deep, before all this rubbish, when we just got on with normal life, before this has just become utterly soul destroying, would you say we are now unhealthier and angrier because we don’t have that control over our lives that we felt we had?
If the answers yes, then what’s the new normal as different to good fashioned normal - more of that being unhealthy, angry and not in control.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
Why 8? It is clearly true, especially in US politics, why should we pretend it does not happen? Pollsters are commercial organisations with business interests and operate in a partisan media world, of course some of them are sometimes partisan?
If is not proven, but merely presumed, then such an accusation seems unreasonable.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
One thing to say - thanks very much to Mike and Rob for all the work they do, this site is brilliant even if there are no fellow Trumpsters are here.
Also, thanks to the regular article writers on here. I have written a few and know how long they take so kudos to those who do.
A rare moment when I wholeheartedly agree with one of your posts.
Nothing wrong with that. Not everything should be about politics.
Roll out the footy analogies... 'We are 6-0 up, in the last minute of the game, but sides have lost from here before...'
LOL
I'd like to think our journalists would ask about lifting restrictions early, but I suspect they will be wittering on about holidays again, and with a subsidary about decorating... I firmly believe we have enough evidence in terms of cases (not rising), population antibodies (thanks ONS), evidence of real world vaccine effects (both within patient, and in preventing/reducing transmission) to be less cautious, but I'd be amazed if any of the lobby ask about it.
It is very odd how the May 17 date is now seemingly set in stone. What the government could offer – through its own rules – is a raft of so-called test events with full crowds – e.g. Royal Ascot and the England vs Scotland Euro 2021 match at Wembley. Those dates are so close to the end date of June 21 (just a few days before it) that imposing restrictions on them seems farcical.
It’s still only small percentages allowed in arenas after the 17th, not full houses?
When they talk about fans in grounds, I hadn’t realised for Leicester semi you could only go if you lived in Brent. The fans looked more bemused than excited.
That's the point I'm making. The events I cite are a few days before 21 June – they should be allowed full crowds.
Do you think there will be full crowds everywhere after 21 June? It’s not mandatory is it, venues have right to restrict and distance.
No it's not mandatory. If Ascot want to run a half crowd then up to them, ditto Wembley, pandemic or no pandemic, that's their right. But given those events I cite are literally a few days before 21 June then mandating the restrictions is farcical.
To put that in clear terms: England play Scotland on Friday 18 June. That's the biggest football match on these shores for years. The restrictions are due to be lifted the following Monday. Under the current plans, Wembley would be limited to 10,000 fans – not even enough to meet Scotland's away allocation, never mind England's. If the game were staged just 60 hours later, they could sell out all 90,000 tickets.
Royal Ascot is the same week 15-19 June.
What exactly is your point? I find it hard to infer from your posts at times.
My point being that your point is a good one. 60 hours later could be potential sell out. So why not special dispensation for the full house?
Well, the date may have been fabricated on basis it is sixty hours this side in the first place. My point being, if it was sixty hours or more later, they wouldn’t have tried to sell anything near the full house. The government and scientists wouldn’t’ the have been comfortable with that, nor Wembley stadium.
After June 21st it’s not normal, it’s new normal.
Eh? What does this mean? There are games in the tournament after 21 June, that will not be subject to restrictions. Why should England vs Scotland be? What is "new normal"?
You didn’t anticipate the new normal? Quite embarrassing really. I’ll be laughing at you lot through my new mask. 😁
I do hope you’ve booked, or you ain’t getting in 😆
What on Earth are you talking about? I find your posts to be little more than insidious drivel to be honest.
Rather than this endless drumbeat of fear that you luxuriate in, could you let us know your views on releasing all legal restrictions on 21 June?
Alison Pearson on the front of the Tely today declaring she won’t be wearing a mask this summer.
But Only a fascist will make a comment at someone choosing to wear one?
At least two years of new normal.
In what sense new normal? Can you outline your thinking rather than using buzzwords?
This summer. Mask wearing. Half filled stadiums and venues. You can even see scuffles and fights between masks wearers and mask haters.
Autumn/winter. Lockdowns and restrictions. Third UK wave may even hit earlier than that, I think July.
Further afield, tons more home working as norm, killing a whole business subset reliant on commuters, and economic productivity will decrease because of home working leaving us in debt much longer than expected. And there will be schooling from home as well, for those who thought it would remain childcare whilst they are home working in peace. If you don’t have to use office for everything, they don’t think have to use classroom either for project work.
In long run I also suspect greater inequality, especially in digital divide that will widen at pace, between parts of world and within countries. Inequality becoming racial. rising authoritarianism and nationalism (home shoring, stockpiling, which itself bring extra expense). and even more rampant misinformation and conspiracy on social media.
And not even ruling out muskrat flu (dubbed Trump Flu by Chinese in Trumps second term) cow chest, and dormouse sickness - should COVID be one off pandemic and not start of a trend as old lifestyles meet 21st century globalvillage and pollution?
Can’t even rule out bringing something back from space.
Until eventually all this new normality melds into great plague during the great storm.
Does that answer you question now?
Odd because only the other day you were saying how Boris had “beaten covid”. Anyone would think you are just an attention seeker. Probably one of the most hysterical hyperbolic posts on PB, in a very crowded, competitive field.
The combination of the lockdown forever fearties and the attention seeking scientists and doompornmongers mean those of us who just want life to get back to normal are going to have to continue to make noise.
It already seems to have worked re domestic vax passes - all talk of which has died a death, as I predicted, when it dawned on people that they are entirely unnecessary and distinctly unBritish.
Of the 6 pubs and cafes that I've been in this week, only one asked for me to do track and trace. And they didn't ask very hard....
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks but it also a fact, much increased by covid, that many people are suffering mental health issues, and ill considered labelling of people is not acceptable to many
I always find it interesting that it seems acceptable to call someone an idiot, but not acceptable to call them a moron or imbecile, when in fact an idiot was classified as someone with a lower IQ than a moron or an imbecile under that antiquated system of psychological classification
Thanks! I had been trying to work out what language was acceptable to the arbiters of PB (I am assuming you're properly authorised to make a declaration on the acceptability of language here).
"Idiot" it is then. Though it hardly seems strong enough for people who still don't believe in face masks. I'd prefer "deluded" if I'm allowed to say that, but I'll wait for permission before doing so.
Idiot was on the same scale for intellectual disability.
Idiot IQ 0-25 Imbecile IQ 26-50 Moron IQ 51-75
So if you are accepting the idea that past uses render these unacceptable despite modern slang uses, then you need to lose that one too. Personally I don't subscribe to that doctrine except at a level of common courtesy, as I don't think that old uses should as a matter of dogma prevent modern use.
Though technicality these are not mental illnesses.
You might try Shakespearian insults, which I quite like.
BTW I identify with the PSD - my grandad, who died before I was born, was in WW1. With him it came out as occasional depression and domestic violence.
Hmm, I'm also uneasy about the use of dumb =stupid as it is so unfair to deaf without speech people (I know it's an Americanism, but it is one we can reject).
And my grandfather was on the Western Front 1915-18. Dad told me he - like many others - would never talk about it, and had a tendency to start to dive into the gutter whenever a car backfired, for years and years.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
Why 8? It is clearly true, especially in US politics, why should we pretend it does not happen? Pollsters are commercial organisations with business interests and operate in a partisan media world, of course some of them are sometimes partisan?
If is not proven, but merely presumed, then such an accusation seems unreasonable.
Also libellous. Not good for the lords' pockets or equanimities.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
Why 8? It is clearly true, especially in US politics, why should we pretend it does not happen? Pollsters are commercial organisations with business interests and operate in a partisan media world, of course some of them are sometimes partisan?
If is not proven, but merely presumed, then such an accusation seems unreasonable.
Why? It is human and commercial nature to expect it to happen. Pretending it will not happen without explicit proof is certainly not a good plan for betting on politics.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
Why 8? It is clearly true, especially in US politics, why should we pretend it does not happen? Pollsters are commercial organisations with business interests and operate in a partisan media world, of course some of them are sometimes partisan?
I'm guessing he means domestic BPC-registered pollsters and not US ones, or non-BPC ones?
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
One thing to say - thanks very much to Mike and Rob for all the work they do, this site is brilliant even if there are no fellow Trumpsters are here.
Also, thanks to the regular article writers on here. I have written a few and know how long they take so kudos to those who do.
Second that motion, heck I've already said that OGH should get a peerage. With a lesser title for RCS? Lord Punter and his heir, Lord Pointspread?
Also think it appropriate to recognize the contributions of TSE.
Despite the fact he's apparently left yours truly high and dry re: his legal "work" on behalf of West West Virginia!
Much as I disagree with TSE and a fair few others, one of the great things about this site is that you learn a lot and realise how little you actually know (in a good way).
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
One thing to say - thanks very much to Mike and Rob for all the work they do, this site is brilliant even if there are no fellow Trumpsters are here.
Also, thanks to the regular article writers on here. I have written a few and know how long they take so kudos to those who do.
Second that motion, heck I've already said that OGH should get a peerage. With a lesser title for RCS? Lord Punter and his heir, Lord Pointspread?
Also think it appropriate to recognize the contributions of TSE.
Despite the fact he's apparently left yours truly high and dry re: his legal "work" on behalf of West West Virginia!
Much as I disagree with TSE and a fair few others, one of the great things about this site is that you learn a lot and realise how little you actually know (in a good way).
"@HugoGye UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?
Some people are so fickle!
Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.
So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
Its sad that I am considered a lunatic ....
Indeed, indeed. But try to get over it.
My son has just undergone 16 sessions of electroconvulsive treatment for PTSD and mental issues
You may think it is clever to call someone a lunatic, but for those of us who have family members suffering mental heath issues it just is not acceptable
Is it OK just to say "mad"?
I and my family are very sensitive to lazy expressions of mental health following my eldest sons issues which commenced in 2011 when he was involved in ground zero at the Christchurch earthquake where 185 people died in a crushed building
However, it took until 2019 for him to be overwhelmed with PTSD and the effect on his life, his wife and his family has been profound but at last we are seeing the first time tentative steps in his recovery
Maybe we all need to be a 'wee' bit kinder to each other
I'm just asking how I can refer to delusional ideas that are likely to cost lives without offending your sensibilities.
Am I allowed to call them "silly", please?
It is not for me to dictate how anyone speaks ...
We're only having this discussion because you said a word I'd used was "just not acceptable"!
This place doesn't improve.
Someone politely asked you not to refer to another poster as a “lunatic” and opened up as to why.
You responded like a complete arsehole.
Says more about you than this place
Yes. I call someone a "loony" for coming out with some crazy COVID denialist nonsense.
Someone tells me it "just not acceptable". I have the temerity to disagree. You now decide to wade in on the side of politeness by calling me an "arsehole".
Did you have your sense of irony surgically removed, by any chance?
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
One thing to say - thanks very much to Mike and Rob for all the work they do, this site is brilliant even if there are no fellow Trumpsters are here.
Also, thanks to the regular article writers on here. I have written a few and know how long they take so kudos to those who do.
Second that motion, heck I've already said that OGH should get a peerage. With a lesser title for RCS? Lord Punter and his heir, Lord Pointspread?
Also think it appropriate to recognize the contributions of TSE.
Despite the fact he's apparently left yours truly high and dry re: his legal "work" on behalf of West West Virginia!
Much as I disagree with TSE and a fair few others, one of the great things about this site is that you learn a lot and realise how little you actually know (in a good way).
This reminds me very much of University.
The most important step was recognising that the tutors knew infinitely more than you, and it was better to admit ignorance and learn than get pig headed and dig in.
I have learned more about practical economics from @rcs1000 than from any of the books on the subject...
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
6) Don't diss Radiohead.
7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
Why 8? It is clearly true, especially in US politics, why should we pretend it does not happen? Pollsters are commercial organisations with business interests and operate in a partisan media world, of course some of them are sometimes partisan?
I'm guessing he means domestic BPC-registered pollsters and not US ones, or non-BPC ones?
Its clearly worse in the US but no reason why it wont happen here to some extent. The newspapers clearly have their teams or parties they support, and commission many of the polls.
An investor in the stock market does not assume all auditors are completely impartial, but understands they have a commercial relationship with the firms they audit.
A political bettor should not assume pollsters are completely neutral.
Roll out the footy analogies... 'We are 6-0 up, in the last minute of the game, but sides have lost from here before...'
LOL
I'd like to think our journalists would ask about lifting restrictions early, but I suspect they will be wittering on about holidays again, and with a subsidary about decorating... I firmly believe we have enough evidence in terms of cases (not rising), population antibodies (thanks ONS), evidence of real world vaccine effects (both within patient, and in preventing/reducing transmission) to be less cautious, but I'd be amazed if any of the lobby ask about it.
It is very odd how the May 17 date is now seemingly set in stone. What the government could offer – through its own rules – is a raft of so-called test events with full crowds – e.g. Royal Ascot and the England vs Scotland Euro 2021 match at Wembley. Those dates are so close to the end date of June 21 (just a few days before it) that imposing restrictions on them seems farcical.
It’s still only small percentages allowed in arenas after the 17th, not full houses?
When they talk about fans in grounds, I hadn’t realised for Leicester semi you could only go if you lived in Brent. The fans looked more bemused than excited.
That's the point I'm making. The events I cite are a few days before 21 June – they should be allowed full crowds.
Do you think there will be full crowds everywhere after 21 June? It’s not mandatory is it, venues have right to restrict and distance.
No it's not mandatory. If Ascot want to run a half crowd then up to them, ditto Wembley, pandemic or no pandemic, that's their right. But given those events I cite are literally a few days before 21 June then mandating the restrictions is farcical.
To put that in clear terms: England play Scotland on Friday 18 June. That's the biggest football match on these shores for years. The restrictions are due to be lifted the following Monday. Under the current plans, Wembley would be limited to 10,000 fans – not even enough to meet Scotland's away allocation, never mind England's. If the game were staged just 60 hours later, they could sell out all 90,000 tickets.
Royal Ascot is the same week 15-19 June.
What exactly is your point? I find it hard to infer from your posts at times.
My point being that your point is a good one. 60 hours later could be potential sell out. So why not special dispensation for the full house?
Well, the date may have been fabricated on basis it is sixty hours this side in the first place. My point being, if it was sixty hours or more later, they wouldn’t have tried to sell anything near the full house. The government and scientists wouldn’t’ the have been comfortable with that, nor Wembley stadium.
After June 21st it’s not normal, it’s new normal.
Eh? What does this mean? There are games in the tournament after 21 June, that will not be subject to restrictions. Why should England vs Scotland be? What is "new normal"?
You didn’t anticipate the new normal? Quite embarrassing really. I’ll be laughing at you lot through my new mask. 😁
I do hope you’ve booked, or you ain’t getting in 😆
What on Earth are you talking about? I find your posts to be little more than insidious drivel to be honest.
Rather than this endless drumbeat of fear that you luxuriate in, could you let us know your views on releasing all legal restrictions on 21 June?
Alison Pearson on the front of the Tely today declaring she won’t be wearing a mask this summer.
But Only a fascist will make a comment at someone choosing to wear one?
At least two years of new normal.
In what sense new normal? Can you outline your thinking rather than using buzzwords?
This summer. Mask wearing. Half filled stadiums and venues. You can even see scuffles and fights between masks wearers and mask haters.
Autumn/winter. Lockdowns and restrictions. Third UK wave may even hit earlier than that, I think July.
Further afield, tons more home working as norm, killing a whole business subset reliant on commuters, and economic productivity will decrease because of home working leaving us in debt much longer than expected. And there will be schooling from home as well, for those who thought it would remain childcare whilst they are home working in peace. If you don’t have to use office for everything, they don’t think have to use classroom either for project work.
In long run I also suspect greater inequality, especially in digital divide that will widen at pace, between parts of world and within countries. Inequality becoming racial. rising authoritarianism and nationalism (home shoring, stockpiling, which itself bring extra expense). and even more rampant misinformation and conspiracy on social media.
And not even ruling out muskrat flu (dubbed Trump Flu by Chinese in Trumps second term) cow chest, and dormouse sickness - should COVID be one off pandemic and not start of a trend as old lifestyles meet 21st century globalvillage and pollution?
Can’t even rule out bringing something back from space.
Until eventually all this new normality melds into great plague during the great storm.
Does that answer you question now?
I read this site every day. I rarely comment. But I must say this post is some of the most non-sensical stream-of-consciousness rubbish I’ve ever read. It barely makes any sense at all. What point are you even trying to make?
Thank you. 🙂
the point is optimism. We may prove to being tough on COVID, jury’s still out, but how can we be tough on the impact of COVID. How we now view the future?
It may be we feel at our best when feeling tough and in control. Is the long lasting impact is we feel weak and uncertain?
Which of the items of drivel above are you saying for certain isn’t going to happen?
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
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Does (8) include discussion of Trafalgar?
I should have been clearer, 8) applies to BPC registered pollsters.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
As a general rule here's the best guidelines for posting on PB.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
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3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
5) Don't copy and paste whole tracts of articles behind paywalls, the most serious legal letters Mike has ever received is from The Times complaining about several of their articles being posted in full/nearly full on PB
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7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
Why 8? It is clearly true, especially in US politics, why should we pretend it does not happen? Pollsters are commercial organisations with business interests and operate in a partisan media world, of course some of them are sometimes partisan?
I'm guessing he means domestic BPC-registered pollsters and not US ones, or non-BPC ones?
Its clearly worse in the US but no reason why it wont happen here to some extent. The newspapers clearly have their teams, and commission the polls.
An investor in the stock market does not assume all auditors are completely impartial, but understands they have a commercial relationship with the firms they audit.
A political bettor should not assume pollsters are completely neutral.
I've never seen any reason why BPC-registered pollsters are anything other than neutral.
Any insinuations they're not really ought to have substantial evidence behind it.
It would be the Pfizer that is signing a deal to supply 1.8 billion vaccines to the EU on a rolling basis over the next few years. Because of its size and wealth, the EU is a primary market for all pharma companies. It has acted abysmally over the AZN vaccine, but the fundamentals don't change - all Big Pharma companies need to be there.
Of course they can't ignore the EU market, but they can sure as hell make sure that their contracts are UdvL-proof, and to do that they will be very careful not to enter into early-access contracts where the risk of delays is significant. Essentially the EU has demonstrated that it wants all the risk to be on the supplier, which the suppliers can handle if and only if they already have production ramped up before they commit.
A French company (with a UK contract signed already and production ramping up), Valneva, has given up on negotiating with the EU....
The UK on the other hand seems to be buying a massive number of doses for late 2021 and into 2022, from multiple suppliers - Pfizer (60m additional), Curevac (50m), Novavax (60m), Valneva (100m), J&J (30m). That suggests to me that either the vaccine taskforce thinks that we are going to have to re-jab everyone very fast in order to deal with new variants, or that they think that the suppliers aren't necessarily going to be able to ramp up production as much as they say they can.
Or they simply think that the optionality is cheap.
Having vaccines - and capacity on hand - costs very little relative to the economic impact of a lockdown.
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Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
Why 8? It is clearly true, especially in US politics, why should we pretend it does not happen? Pollsters are commercial organisations with business interests and operate in a partisan media world, of course some of them are sometimes partisan?
I'm guessing he means domestic BPC-registered pollsters and not US ones, or non-BPC ones?
Its clearly worse in the US but no reason why it wont happen here to some extent. The newspapers clearly have their teams or parties they support, and commission many of the polls.
An investor in the stock market does not assume all auditors are completely impartial, but understands they have a commercial relationship with the firms they audit.
A political bettor should not assume pollsters are completely neutral.
Thanks to the BPC we get to see all the questions and methodology used in the polls, so we can spot stuff like that.
Roll out the footy analogies... 'We are 6-0 up, in the last minute of the game, but sides have lost from here before...'
LOL
I'd like to think our journalists would ask about lifting restrictions early, but I suspect they will be wittering on about holidays again, and with a subsidary about decorating... I firmly believe we have enough evidence in terms of cases (not rising), population antibodies (thanks ONS), evidence of real world vaccine effects (both within patient, and in preventing/reducing transmission) to be less cautious, but I'd be amazed if any of the lobby ask about it.
It is very odd how the May 17 date is now seemingly set in stone. What the government could offer – through its own rules – is a raft of so-called test events with full crowds – e.g. Royal Ascot and the England vs Scotland Euro 2021 match at Wembley. Those dates are so close to the end date of June 21 (just a few days before it) that imposing restrictions on them seems farcical.
It’s still only small percentages allowed in arenas after the 17th, not full houses?
When they talk about fans in grounds, I hadn’t realised for Leicester semi you could only go if you lived in Brent. The fans looked more bemused than excited.
That's the point I'm making. The events I cite are a few days before 21 June – they should be allowed full crowds.
Do you think there will be full crowds everywhere after 21 June? It’s not mandatory is it, venues have right to restrict and distance.
No it's not mandatory. If Ascot want to run a half crowd then up to them, ditto Wembley, pandemic or no pandemic, that's their right. But given those events I cite are literally a few days before 21 June then mandating the restrictions is farcical.
To put that in clear terms: England play Scotland on Friday 18 June. That's the biggest football match on these shores for years. The restrictions are due to be lifted the following Monday. Under the current plans, Wembley would be limited to 10,000 fans – not even enough to meet Scotland's away allocation, never mind England's. If the game were staged just 60 hours later, they could sell out all 90,000 tickets.
Royal Ascot is the same week 15-19 June.
What exactly is your point? I find it hard to infer from your posts at times.
My point being that your point is a good one. 60 hours later could be potential sell out. So why not special dispensation for the full house?
Well, the date may have been fabricated on basis it is sixty hours this side in the first place. My point being, if it was sixty hours or more later, they wouldn’t have tried to sell anything near the full house. The government and scientists wouldn’t’ the have been comfortable with that, nor Wembley stadium.
After June 21st it’s not normal, it’s new normal.
Eh? What does this mean? There are games in the tournament after 21 June, that will not be subject to restrictions. Why should England vs Scotland be? What is "new normal"?
You didn’t anticipate the new normal? Quite embarrassing really. I’ll be laughing at you lot through my new mask. 😁
I do hope you’ve booked, or you ain’t getting in 😆
What on Earth are you talking about? I find your posts to be little more than insidious drivel to be honest.
Rather than this endless drumbeat of fear that you luxuriate in, could you let us know your views on releasing all legal restrictions on 21 June?
Alison Pearson on the front of the Tely today declaring she won’t be wearing a mask this summer.
But Only a fascist will make a comment at someone choosing to wear one?
At least two years of new normal.
In what sense new normal? Can you outline your thinking rather than using buzzwords?
This summer. Mask wearing. Half filled stadiums and venues. You can even see scuffles and fights between masks wearers and mask haters.
Autumn/winter. Lockdowns and restrictions. Third UK wave may even hit earlier than that, I think July.
Further afield, tons more home working as norm, killing a whole business subset reliant on commuters, and economic productivity will decrease because of home working leaving us in debt much longer than expected. And there will be schooling from home as well, for those who thought it would remain childcare whilst they are home working in peace. If you don’t have to use office for everything, they don’t think have to use classroom either for project work.
In long run I also suspect greater inequality, especially in digital divide that will widen at pace, between parts of world and within countries. Inequality becoming racial. rising authoritarianism and nationalism (home shoring, stockpiling, which itself bring extra expense). and even more rampant misinformation and conspiracy on social media.
And not even ruling out muskrat flu (dubbed Trump Flu by Chinese in Trumps second term) cow chest, and dormouse sickness - should COVID be one off pandemic and not start of a trend as old lifestyles meet 21st century globalvillage and pollution?
Can’t even rule out bringing something back from space.
Until eventually all this new normality melds into great plague during the great storm.
Does that answer you question now?
Odd because only the other day you were saying how Boris had “beaten covid”. Anyone would think you are just an attention seeker. Probably one of the most hysterical hyperbolic posts on PB, in a very crowded, competitive field.
The combination of the lockdown forever fearties and the attention seeking scientists and doompornmongers mean those of us who just want life to get back to normal are going to have to continue to make noise.
It already seems to have worked re domestic vax passes - all talk of which has died a death, as I predicted, when it dawned on people that they are entirely unnecessary and distinctly unBritish.
Of the 6 pubs and cafes that I've been in this week, only one asked for me to do track and trace. And they didn't ask very hard....
Yes, it’s rather a shame that people on the moderate middle ground of this dynamic feel they have to endlessly pipe up because to do otherwise means they are drowned out by extremist voices. Most of us just want to get our jabs and get on with our lives.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
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1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
2) Mike's also very protective about his regular thread writers, so again it is fine to disagree with them but don't go all abusive towards them.
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4) Don't post anything that might that might get Mike into trouble/cost him a lot of money.
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8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
Why 8? It is clearly true, especially in US politics, why should we pretend it does not happen? Pollsters are commercial organisations with business interests and operate in a partisan media world, of course some of them are sometimes partisan?
I'm guessing he means domestic BPC-registered pollsters and not US ones, or non-BPC ones?
Its clearly worse in the US but no reason why it wont happen here to some extent. The newspapers clearly have their teams or parties they support, and commission many of the polls.
An investor in the stock market does not assume all auditors are completely impartial, but understands they have a commercial relationship with the firms they audit.
A political bettor should not assume pollsters are completely neutral.
OR that (in some cases) they are really "pollsters" at all.
Wor Lass received her second dose of Pfizer this morning. So far the only side effect is an ache around the jab site.
Meanwhile my chosen tipple this evening was a bottle of Lord's Brewing Co. Chosen Man. Very enjoyable, especially at a reduced price of £1.40 per bottle from our local Post Office / ale emporium. Carrying a rucksack full of bottled beers back home adds to the exercise quota of my evening walk.
Telecoms giant in talks with potential partners including Amazon and Disney about offloading a stake in its television arm
BT is in talks with Amazon, Disney and others to offload a stake in its television arm, The Telegraph can reveal, as the pandemic casts doubt over the future of sport.
The telecoms operator has appointed the investment bank Lazard to explore a partial sale of BT Sport as it focuses on upgrading Britain’s broadband network.
It is understood that BT is in talks with potential partners including Amazon, Disney and Dazn, an international sports streaming venture funded by Sir Leonard Blavatnik, the Ukraine-born billionaire.
A British broadcaster is also involved in the discussions and potentially leading the bidding, City sources said.
BT has a longstanding partnership with ITV, although has also worked with Channel 4 and the BBC. Any traditional broadcaster could seek to show more top-flight football on terrestrial television.
The same source said Dazn, which recently agreed a sports broadcasting partnership with BT’s Italian equivalent, was “most keen”.
The discussions pit a traditional broadcaster against Dazn, a streaming upstart, and two global media giants. Potential private equity partners including CVC, a major investor in rugby, and Silverlake, a shareholder in Manchester City are understood to have backed away from talks.
A source said: "The world of sport has been rocked by coronavirus. It's no surprise that BT is rethinking how best to keep growing the business."
Multiple sources said the uncertainties of sports rights auctions and the pandemic made it impossible to say whether a transaction will be agreed. The talks are underway with no strict timetable against a backdrop of turmoil in sports rights as buyers and sellers struggle to predict the appetite for live sport after the pandemic.
BT, under chief executive Philip Jansen, has cut its payout to shareholders to pump billions of pounds into replacing tens of millions of copper telephone wires with faster and more reliable fibre-optic broadband lines.
The Premier League is seeking approval to roll over its current £4.7bn domestic television deal with Sky, BT and Amazon for a further three years, as The Telegraph revealed last weekend.
What a difference a couple of decades makes. Here he has the look of a trendy young fogey of the time, about to make his entrance onto Have I Got News For You just after the Angus Deayton era.
I'm just looking for an authoritative ruling about what I'm allowed to say here.
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1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
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3) Avoid serious bad language (the c word is a no no) especially towards other posters.
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7) Don't complain about politicalbetting.com focussing on betting on politics.
8) Don't impugn the integrity of pollsters. It is ok to critique the methodology but don't say X pollster is only producing those figures because Y commissioned the poll/full of Z party's donors.
Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
Why 8? It is clearly true, especially in US politics, why should we pretend it does not happen? Pollsters are commercial organisations with business interests and operate in a partisan media world, of course some of them are sometimes partisan?
I'm guessing he means domestic BPC-registered pollsters and not US ones, or non-BPC ones?
Its clearly worse in the US but no reason why it wont happen here to some extent. The newspapers clearly have their teams or parties they support, and commission many of the polls.
An investor in the stock market does not assume all auditors are completely impartial, but understands they have a commercial relationship with the firms they audit.
A political bettor should not assume pollsters are completely neutral.
OR that (in some cases) they are really "pollsters" at all.
Who was that bloke with the dickie bow in the US election who essentially just made his polls up? I remember his having one or two advocates on here until he was finally discredited as a complete charlatan!
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There was no y or j in classical Latin but lots of words that ended in ii. Medieval scribes started to write a flourish under the terminal i and so j was born. Later on i and j were merged and y is their bastard offspring. Because neither letter is rooted in classical orthography they are used anarchically in every modern language, although monoglots tend to think that theirs is the correct way.
Y in English can be a terminal vowel (body), a median vowel (rhythm) or an initial vowel (yttrium) or, more usually, a diphthong (yes) in which case it is part of a vowel combination. But y in English is NEVER a consonant, and any teacher who told you it was should have their pension docked.
Hence ‘Ye’ on many twee old tea shoppes.
It is an honourable calling. I come from a long line of clowns. This is just not acceptable.
And it’s a genuine issue (as even IDS has recognised), crowbarred through the Commons this week.
Idiot IQ 0-25
Imbecile IQ 26-50
Moron IQ 51-75
So if you are accepting the idea that past uses render these unacceptable despite modern slang uses, then you need to lose that one too. Personally I don't subscribe to that doctrine except at a level of common courtesy, as I don't think that old uses should as a matter of dogma prevent modern use.
Though technicality these are not mental illnesses.
You might try Shakespearian insults, which I quite like.
BTW I identify with the PSD - my grandad, who died before I was born, was in WW1. With him it came out as occasional depression and domestic violence.
But Only a fascist will make a comment at someone choosing to wear one?
At least two years of new normal.
1) Don't be rude to Mike and Robert, they spend a lot of time and money ensuring we can all comment for free. It is ok to disagree with Mike but don't be rude about it.
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Edit - This is not an exhaustive list but you get the general gist.
Nope. Doesn't quite work.
Via the Global Commission for post Pandemic Policy.
https://globalcommissionforpostpandemicpolicy.org/vaccine-production-april-2021/
There's a newsletter. Link above has interactive versions.
(Unit: millions of doses)
It tells me to ignore their judgments.
Fortunately a couple of people have kindly offered to vet my comments before I post them from now on. Hopefully this will avoid any further offence.
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To be honest I think Mr Johnson may be a bit of a fibber, but no one should accuse him of that (even if they were there and heard what he said) unless there is a recording, because people shouldn't say things like that if they can't back them up.
Also, thanks to the regular article writers on here. I have written a few and know how long they take so kudos to those who do.
I should have kept my fat mouth shut.
Sorry, Judd.
My English text is chaste, and all licentious passages are left in the obscurity of a learned language.
My politics are Marxist - Groucho Marxist.
https://twitter.com/Kaelberviridae/status/1387454489720983554
... Contamination in biomanufacturing is common, esp if one uses substandard input materials (serum for cell growth is a huge source of virus contamination!) or substandard conditions/facilities/PPE (operators are another big source)...
Note the vaccine has multiple contract manufacturers.
Autumn/winter. Lockdowns and restrictions. Third UK wave may even hit earlier than that, I think July.
Further afield, tons more home working as norm, killing a whole business subset reliant on commuters, and economic productivity will decrease because of home working leaving us in debt much longer than expected. And there will be schooling from home as well, for those who thought it would remain childcare whilst they are home working in peace. If you don’t have to use office for everything, they don’t think have to use classroom either for project work.
In long run I also suspect greater inequality, especially in digital divide that will widen at pace, between parts of world and within countries. Inequality becoming racial. rising authoritarianism and nationalism (home shoring, stockpiling, which itself bring extra expense). and even more rampant misinformation and conspiracy on social media.
And not even ruling out muskrat flu (dubbed Trump Flu by Chinese in Trumps second term) cow chest, and dormouse sickness - should COVID be one off pandemic and not start of a trend as old lifestyles meet 21st century globalvillage and pollution?
Can’t even rule out bringing something back from space.
Until eventually all this new normality melds into great plague during the great storm.
Does that answer you question now?
But one thing about him that I never forget is this photo, where he is the only person living or dead, not contained within the frame. RIP https://twitter.com/coryruchlin/status/1387444366973751297/photo/1
Wonder what will happen when they try that with Islamic preachers
Also think it appropriate to recognize the contributions of TSE.
Despite the fact he's apparently left yours truly high and dry re: his legal "work" on behalf of West West Virginia!
EDIT sorry, should be "okepay" above. Me pig latin's a bit ustypay!
India reports 379,164 new coronavirus cases, by far the biggest one-day increase so far, and a record 3,646 new deaths
You responded like a complete arsehole.
Says more about you than this place
The Labour Party should throw as much dirt as possible, and see how much sticks to the wallpaper.
Nothing to do with the scandal, and everything to do with the bloody awfulness of the decor.
— Scoop from the NYT’s William Rashbaum, Ben Protess and Maggie Haberman: “Federal investigators in Manhattan executed a search warrant on Wednesday at the Upper East Side apartment of RUDOLPH W. GIULIANI, the former New York City mayor who became President DONALD J. TRUMP’S personal lawyer, stepping up a criminal investigation into Mr. Giuliani’s dealings in Ukraine, three people with knowledge of the matter said.
“One of the people said the investigators had seized Mr. Giuliani’s electronic devices. Executing a search warrant is an extraordinary move for prosecutors to take against a lawyer, let alone a lawyer for a former president, and it marks a major turning point in the long-running investigation into Mr. Giuliani. … Under Mr. Trump, senior political appointees in the Justice Department repeatedly sought to block such a warrant … After MERRICK B. GARLAND was confirmed as President Biden’s attorney general, the Justice Department lifted its objection.”
— At the crux of the probe, investigators have been trying to figure out whether Giuliani lobbied Trump illegally for favors for Ukrainian oligarchs who were helping him sniff out Biden controversies. One of the key questions has been whether he was paid for trying to persuade Trump to oust U.S. Ambassador MARIE YOVANOVITCH.
Notably, House impeachment investigators chose not to pursue this financial angle as part of their investigation in the fall of 2019. But it may be the thing that lands Giuliani in the most trouble.
Comment - apparently author of above is too young to remember back to when Rudy was the head of the office that just raided his humble (?) abode.
Sort of like if Elliot Ness had ended up working for Murder, Inc.
I’ll admit to oscillating between optimism and pessimism.
Without getting too deep, before all this rubbish, when we just got on with normal life, before this has just become utterly soul destroying, would you say we are now unhealthier and angrier because we don’t have that control over our lives that we felt we had?
If the answers yes, then what’s the new normal as different to good fashioned normal - more of that being unhealthy, angry and not in control.
It already seems to have worked re domestic vax passes - all talk of which has died a death, as I predicted, when it dawned on people that they are entirely unnecessary and distinctly unBritish.
Of the 6 pubs and cafes that I've been in this week, only one asked for me to do track and trace. And they didn't ask very hard....
And my grandfather was on the Western Front 1915-18. Dad told me he - like many others - would never talk about it, and had a tendency to start to dive into the gutter whenever a car backfired, for years and years.
@Brom was on the money last night, suggesting city were too short in the CL betting.
Someone tells me it "just not acceptable". I have the temerity to disagree. You now decide to wade in on the side of politeness by calling me an "arsehole".
Did you have your sense of irony surgically removed, by any chance?
The most important step was recognising that the tutors knew infinitely more than you, and it was better to admit ignorance and learn than get pig headed and dig in.
I have learned more about practical economics from @rcs1000 than from any of the books on the subject...
An investor in the stock market does not assume all auditors are completely impartial, but understands they have a commercial relationship with the firms they audit.
A political bettor should not assume pollsters are completely neutral.
the point is optimism. We may prove to being tough on COVID, jury’s still out, but how can we be tough on the impact of COVID. How we now view the future?
It may be we feel at our best when feeling tough and in control. Is the long lasting impact is we feel weak and uncertain?
Which of the items of drivel above are you saying for certain isn’t going to happen?
So you can diss Trafalgar.
Any insinuations they're not really ought to have substantial evidence behind it.
Having vaccines - and capacity on hand - costs very little relative to the economic impact of a lockdown.
Meanwhile my chosen tipple this evening was a bottle of Lord's Brewing Co. Chosen Man. Very enjoyable, especially at a reduced price of £1.40 per bottle from our local Post Office / ale emporium. Carrying a rucksack full of bottled beers back home adds to the exercise quota of my evening walk.
Telecoms giant in talks with potential partners including Amazon and Disney about offloading a stake in its television arm
BT is in talks with Amazon, Disney and others to offload a stake in its television arm, The Telegraph can reveal, as the pandemic casts doubt over the future of sport.
The telecoms operator has appointed the investment bank Lazard to explore a partial sale of BT Sport as it focuses on upgrading Britain’s broadband network.
It is understood that BT is in talks with potential partners including Amazon, Disney and Dazn, an international sports streaming venture funded by Sir Leonard Blavatnik, the Ukraine-born billionaire.
A British broadcaster is also involved in the discussions and potentially leading the bidding, City sources said.
BT has a longstanding partnership with ITV, although has also worked with Channel 4 and the BBC. Any traditional broadcaster could seek to show more top-flight football on terrestrial television.
The same source said Dazn, which recently agreed a sports broadcasting partnership with BT’s Italian equivalent, was “most keen”.
The discussions pit a traditional broadcaster against Dazn, a streaming upstart, and two global media giants. Potential private equity partners including CVC, a major investor in rugby, and Silverlake, a shareholder in Manchester City are understood to have backed away from talks.
A source said: "The world of sport has been rocked by coronavirus. It's no surprise that BT is rethinking how best to keep growing the business."
Multiple sources said the uncertainties of sports rights auctions and the pandemic made it impossible to say whether a transaction will be agreed. The talks are underway with no strict timetable against a backdrop of turmoil in sports rights as buyers and sellers struggle to predict the appetite for live sport after the pandemic.
BT, under chief executive Philip Jansen, has cut its payout to shareholders to pump billions of pounds into replacing tens of millions of copper telephone wires with faster and more reliable fibre-optic broadband lines.
The Premier League is seeking approval to roll over its current £4.7bn domestic television deal with Sky, BT and Amazon for a further three years, as The Telegraph revealed last weekend.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/04/28/bt-sport-sale-broadband-push/