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    MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,442
    Stocky said:

    Monkeys said:

    As BBC Political Correspondent, a lot of what LauraK does is report on what the government of the day is saying, from Government sources, so she'll seem biased to whoever is in power. Didn't we call Nick Robinson "toenails," when Gordon Brown was PM, but I didn't see bias from him against Cameron when he took power. She's just doing her job.

    Bashing LauraK does seem to have become something of a national sport.

    She's accused of bias from both the right and the left so maybe she is straighter that people think. Personally, I would find it hard to divine her political affiliation. If pressed I'd say a liberal but not sure.
    Sure, both sides like to get their digs in.

    Is it possible for a journalist to have 'gone native'? To be so reliant upon unofficial briefings that to properly interrogate them may hinder any future ones?

    Its hard for me to forget the incident in which a Labour activist was said to have punched an aide. A story that could have been so easily checked but was not, instead it was instantaneously tweeted by the BBC's political editor.
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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,347

    I am sure the lefties on here are grateful to Mr Smithson for allowing them a thread to froth over. Its been a long time where the left have had to suck it up... Time to give them a moment to enjoy, if wallpaper be the subject of their wrath, so be it.

    As Boris paid for the wallpaper himself it makes it even more bizarre
    Seriously doubt your PM pays for ANYTHING himself. Just like his role model Trumpsky.
    Well he said numerous times in the Commons today that he did pay for it, so I assume he can produce evidence or he will have lied to the House and will have to resign.
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781

    Anecdote Alert.

    My business partner is generally very supportive of Johnson. Not an enthusiast, but very much prefers him to any Labour offerings. He said to me today that the wallpaper doesn't worry him at all, but the bodies piled up comment does, adding it's exactly the sort of thing, the "stupid b******" would say.

    So just froth? Maybe, but maybe not.

    This is what I was thinking when Nick Robinson was cooing over Sarah Vine's favourable view of Boris Johnson's wallpaper this morning.

    The press have decided that the refurbishment is the bigger story for now, but the 'bodies' comment and issue will anger a lot more people, I think.
    With refurbishment, Johnson is completely on the hook because there's an audit trail. He's avoiding answering key questions but the truth will out as there is a trail.

    With bodies, journalists have verified via independent witnesses, but Johnson denies it and there is unlikely to be a recording. It's very likely he said it in reality, but harder to make it stick.
    That is what he is counting on. He is a gambler and a liar. He is gambling that if he makes the denial forthright enough no one can prove it, and all the gullible fools that give him the benefit of the doubt will give it in spades. He must love those easily fooled plebs.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,559
    Stocky said:

    I am sure the lefties on here are grateful to Mr Smithson for allowing them a thread to froth over. Its been a long time where the left have had to suck it up... Time to give them a moment to enjoy, if wallpaper be the subject of their wrath, so be it.

    As Boris paid for the wallpaper himself it makes it even more bizarre
    Seriously doubt your PM pays for ANYTHING himself. Just like his role model Trumpsky.
    He must pay for something. He earns enough dosh and given he's skint must spend all the dosh he earns one way or another.
    Just like Trumpsky, Johnson is grand master at spending other people's money. I stand by my contention.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    kinabalu said:

    The one thing that came out of PMQs for me was Boris's denial he said those words and challenged those who said he had to bring forward their evidence, as they have none

    The simple task for the so called whstlblowers is to bring forward a tape or recording of him saying those words and he has to resign following his HOC denial today

    I would also caution those who may want to accuse Boris, that in view of how angry he was they do not stray into controversial legal territory

    Do you think he knows there's no tape and therefore is safe to lie through his teeth about it?
    What are the odds of a Machiavellian operative like Dom not having recorded on his mobile phone a ranting Johnson, for future leverage?
    Which points back to the central mystery:

    What does D Cummings want?

    It can't be a something, like a job or a policy. He's been so obvious in threatening BoJo that anything he gets will look like a blatant payoff. If the plan was blackmail, it would need to be discreet; hack into the Downing Street streetlights to flash out a coded message or something.

    Tempting to think that it's to catapult Gove into No 10, and the clock is really ticking on that one now, but that would be mad. Though that doesn't rule it out.

    Is it just to destroy Boris, whether for revenge or guilt? It might also destroy Dom, but as things stand, he's dead anyway- so what's he got to lose?

    That was a point I made yesterday. What does this approach get Cummings, apart from revenge? Nothing positive.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,974
    he’s just spent nine grand having it papered...

    I thought that the fact that HE hadn't was the nub of the argument.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TimT said:

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Thanks to vaccines, 68% of adults in England have coronavirus antibodies
    Increase in protection across all four UK nations"

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thanks-to-vaccines-68-of-adults-in-england-have-covid-antibodies-phm59rm25

    Herd immunity. Lift lockdown.
    What proportion of the population needs antibodies to trigger for herd immunity with the Kent R? 68% is adults only of course, kiddiewinks will drag it down.
    If kiddies are 20% of the population, that equates to about 54.5% of the total population. So I'd say we need another 13m or so first doses to get there.
    That's assuming that no kids have naturally acquired immunity, which seems extraordinarily unlikely.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,559

    Anecdote Alert.

    My business partner is generally very supportive of Johnson. Not an enthusiast, but very much prefers him to any Labour offerings. He said to me today that the wallpaper doesn't worry him at all, but the bodies piled up comment does, adding it's exactly the sort of thing, the "stupid b******" would say.

    So just froth? Maybe, but maybe not.

    This is what I was thinking when Nick Robinson was cooing over Sarah Vine's favourable view of Boris Johnson's wallpaper this morning.

    The press have decided that the refurbishment is the bigger story for now, but the 'bodies' comment and issue will anger a lot more people, I think.
    With refurbishment, Johnson is completely on the hook because there's an audit trail. He's avoiding answering key questions but the truth will out as there is a trail.

    With bodies, journalists have verified via independent witnesses, but Johnson denies it and there is unlikely to be a recording. It's very likely he said it in reality, but harder to make it stick.
    That is what he is counting on. He is a gambler and a liar. He is gambling that if he makes the denial forthright enough no one can prove it, and all the gullible fools that give him the benefit of the doubt will give it in spades. He must love those easily fooled plebs.
    Johnson (like Trump) will expend moneys ONLY on basis that someone else will make it up to him . . . and them some.

    Fungibility is his watchword.
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    Anecdote Alert.

    My business partner is generally very supportive of Johnson. Not an enthusiast, but very much prefers him to any Labour offerings. He said to me today that the wallpaper doesn't worry him at all, but the bodies piled up comment does, adding it's exactly the sort of thing, the "stupid b******" would say.

    So just froth? Maybe, but maybe not.

    This is what I was thinking when Nick Robinson was cooing over Sarah Vine's favourable view of Boris Johnson's wallpaper this morning.

    The press have decided that the refurbishment is the bigger story for now, but the 'bodies' comment and issue will anger a lot more people, I think.
    With refurbishment, Johnson is completely on the hook because there's an audit trail. He's avoiding answering key questions but the truth will out as there is a trail.

    With bodies, journalists have verified via independent witnesses, but Johnson denies it and there is unlikely to be a recording. It's very likely he said it in reality, but harder to make it stick.
    That is what he is counting on. He is a gambler and a liar. He is gambling that if he makes the denial forthright enough no one can prove it, and all the gullible fools that give him the benefit of the doubt will give it in spades. He must love those easily fooled plebs.
    Or he may not have said it

    Innocent until proved guilty is the law of the land

    And it is why he has to resign if a recording or tape exists to condemn him
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,718
    Vaccination booking system down to age 42 now.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,559

    Anecdote Alert.

    My business partner is generally very supportive of Johnson. Not an enthusiast, but very much prefers him to any Labour offerings. He said to me today that the wallpaper doesn't worry him at all, but the bodies piled up comment does, adding it's exactly the sort of thing, the "stupid b******" would say.

    So just froth? Maybe, but maybe not.

    This is what I was thinking when Nick Robinson was cooing over Sarah Vine's favourable view of Boris Johnson's wallpaper this morning.

    The press have decided that the refurbishment is the bigger story for now, but the 'bodies' comment and issue will anger a lot more people, I think.
    With refurbishment, Johnson is completely on the hook because there's an audit trail. He's avoiding answering key questions but the truth will out as there is a trail.

    With bodies, journalists have verified via independent witnesses, but Johnson denies it and there is unlikely to be a recording. It's very likely he said it in reality, but harder to make it stick.
    That is what he is counting on. He is a gambler and a liar. He is gambling that if he makes the denial forthright enough no one can prove it, and all the gullible fools that give him the benefit of the doubt will give it in spades. He must love those easily fooled plebs.
    Or he may not have said it

    Innocent until proved guilty is the law of the land

    And it is why he has to resign if a recording or tape exists to condemn him
    "Innocent until proved guilty is the law of the land"

    But NOT the iron law of politics.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,887

    Fungibility is his watchword.

    This is one of those time when Twitter embed would help...

    https://twitter.com/jfiliatrault/status/1387180491149697027
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    TOPPING said:

    The presser won't be good news (as in early unlockdown good news) because without fail that would be Bozza delivering it. Despite the flak he would take for Wallpapergate.

    Virtually no chance of early unlockdown. But neither of slippage. Think the roadmap is now written in stone.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,887
    NEW

    Rishi Sunak's minister answers questions about Chancellor's redecoration of the No10 flat.

    PQ says: "It was paid for upfront and entirely at his own expense. No request was made to HM Treasury."

    Pointedly 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


    https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2021-03-25/175836
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    CiceroCicero Posts: 2,212

    Headline:

    Nestlé to cut almost 600 jobs as it closes UK factory and moves some production to Europe

    Detail: It said it plans to invest £20.2m in York to "modernise and increase production of KitKat in the city where the brand was first created in 1935".

    A further £9.2m will be invested in Halifax to "equip the factory to take on the largest portion of Fawdon's current production"


    https://news.sky.com/story/nestl-to-cut-almost-600-jobs-as-it-closes-uk-factory-and-moves-some-production-to-europe-12289465

    I guess "consolidating production and investing in £29,400,000 in other UK production sites" is not as "newsworthy" as moves some production to Europe when the "largest proportion" is staying in the UK.....

    its the 600 jobs lost that is the news,
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,417
    TimT said:

    kinabalu said:

    The one thing that came out of PMQs for me was Boris's denial he said those words and challenged those who said he had to bring forward their evidence, as they have none

    The simple task for the so called whstlblowers is to bring forward a tape or recording of him saying those words and he has to resign following his HOC denial today

    I would also caution those who may want to accuse Boris, that in view of how angry he was they do not stray into controversial legal territory

    Do you think he knows there's no tape and therefore is safe to lie through his teeth about it?
    What are the odds of a Machiavellian operative like Dom not having recorded on his mobile phone a ranting Johnson, for future leverage?
    Which points back to the central mystery:

    What does D Cummings want?

    It can't be a something, like a job or a policy. He's been so obvious in threatening BoJo that anything he gets will look like a blatant payoff. If the plan was blackmail, it would need to be discreet; hack into the Downing Street streetlights to flash out a coded message or something.

    Tempting to think that it's to catapult Gove into No 10, and the clock is really ticking on that one now, but that would be mad. Though that doesn't rule it out.

    Is it just to destroy Boris, whether for revenge or guilt? It might also destroy Dom, but as things stand, he's dead anyway- so what's he got to lose?

    That was a point I made yesterday. What does this approach get Cummings, apart from revenge? Nothing positive.
    Though if that is the case- that the important thing for Cummings is to destroy Johnson- the Prime Minister is in a significant spot of bother, because the next bit really will be no holds barred.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    edited April 2021

    TimT said:

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Thanks to vaccines, 68% of adults in England have coronavirus antibodies
    Increase in protection across all four UK nations"

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thanks-to-vaccines-68-of-adults-in-england-have-covid-antibodies-phm59rm25

    Herd immunity. Lift lockdown.
    What proportion of the population needs antibodies to trigger for herd immunity with the Kent R? 68% is adults only of course, kiddiewinks will drag it down.
    If kiddies are 20% of the population, that equates to about 54.5% of the total population. So I'd say we need another 13m or so first doses to get there.
    That's assuming that no kids have naturally acquired immunity, which seems extraordinarily unlikely.
    Say in line with overall infection rate for the population - 1 in 15, so 1/15th of 20% = 1.33%, brings the total up to ~56%. So, ok, we get there with 12M additional 1st doses.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,917
    TimT said:

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Thanks to vaccines, 68% of adults in England have coronavirus antibodies
    Increase in protection across all four UK nations"

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thanks-to-vaccines-68-of-adults-in-england-have-covid-antibodies-phm59rm25

    Herd immunity. Lift lockdown.
    What proportion of the population needs antibodies to trigger for herd immunity with the Kent R? 68% is adults only of course, kiddiewinks will drag it down.
    If kiddies are 20% of the population, that equates to about 54.5% of the total population. So I'd say we need another 13m or so first doses to get there.
    There'll be children previously infected, perhaps 20% or so ?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,283
    I keep hearing Pfizer BioNTech as Pfizer Beyoncé.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW

    Rishi Sunak's minister answers questions about Chancellor's redecoration of the No10 flat.

    PQ says: "It was paid for upfront and entirely at his own expense. No request was made to HM Treasury."

    Pointedly 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


    https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2021-03-25/175836

    Does the statement go on -

    "And Rishi's got much better taste in sofas too."
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,055
    "@HugoGye
    UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    edited April 2021
    Wow 60m Pfizer doses for the booster shot programme. I think that's their gen 2 vaccine as well (at least that's what I'd heard earlier last week). That covers the whole eligible population with a single dose (every person aged 11 or above).

    Expect mega bitching from the EU in the next few weeks.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    Pulpstar said:

    TimT said:

    moonshine said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Thanks to vaccines, 68% of adults in England have coronavirus antibodies
    Increase in protection across all four UK nations"

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/thanks-to-vaccines-68-of-adults-in-england-have-covid-antibodies-phm59rm25

    Herd immunity. Lift lockdown.
    What proportion of the population needs antibodies to trigger for herd immunity with the Kent R? 68% is adults only of course, kiddiewinks will drag it down.
    If kiddies are 20% of the population, that equates to about 54.5% of the total population. So I'd say we need another 13m or so first doses to get there.
    There'll be children previously infected, perhaps 20% or so ?
    At that high, it'd be 58.5% of the total population. 10-11M new first doses.

    In any case, you can understand the caution.
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    Monkeys said:

    As BBC Political Correspondent, a lot of what LauraK does is report on what the government of the day is saying, from Government sources, so she'll seem biased to whoever is in power. Didn't we call Nick Robinson "toenails," when Gordon Brown was PM, but I didn't see bias from him against Cameron when he took power. She's just doing her job.

    Nick Robinson got quite a bit, didnt the SNP have an effigy of him at a march? I think what separates Laura is the growth of social media while she has been in post. We've seen the kind of abuse, quite awful really. And she seems such a pleasant person doing a difficult job (but i guess very well remunerated).
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    TimT said:

    kinabalu said:

    The one thing that came out of PMQs for me was Boris's denial he said those words and challenged those who said he had to bring forward their evidence, as they have none

    The simple task for the so called whstlblowers is to bring forward a tape or recording of him saying those words and he has to resign following his HOC denial today

    I would also caution those who may want to accuse Boris, that in view of how angry he was they do not stray into controversial legal territory

    Do you think he knows there's no tape and therefore is safe to lie through his teeth about it?
    What are the odds of a Machiavellian operative like Dom not having recorded on his mobile phone a ranting Johnson, for future leverage?
    Which points back to the central mystery:

    What does D Cummings want?

    It can't be a something, like a job or a policy. He's been so obvious in threatening BoJo that anything he gets will look like a blatant payoff. If the plan was blackmail, it would need to be discreet; hack into the Downing Street streetlights to flash out a coded message or something.

    Tempting to think that it's to catapult Gove into No 10, and the clock is really ticking on that one now, but that would be mad. Though that doesn't rule it out.

    Is it just to destroy Boris, whether for revenge or guilt? It might also destroy Dom, but as things stand, he's dead anyway- so what's he got to lose?

    That was a point I made yesterday. What does this approach get Cummings, apart from revenge? Nothing positive.
    Though if that is the case- that the important thing for Cummings is to destroy Johnson- the Prime Minister is in a significant spot of bother, because the next bit really will be no holds barred.
    Yes. I guess it depends on what, precisely, Cummings has on Boris and how much worse it is than the price that is already baked in.
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781

    TOPPING said:

    ping said:

    Monkeys said:

    As BBC Political Correspondent, a lot of what LauraK does is report on what the government of the day is saying, from Government sources, so she'll seem biased to whoever is in power. Didn't we call Nick Robinson "toenails," when Gordon Brown was PM, but I didn't see bias from him against Cameron when he took power. She's just doing her job.

    The problem I have with lauraK is that she managed to completely miss Theresa Mays election gamble. For someone so well connected, she monumentally misread / allowed herself to be mislead.

    I was betting on that and lost a lot of money. Her job is to be critical, not just buy into the governments narrative and allow herself to be played like a violin.
    I was a bit tongue-in-cheek earlier today calling her a 'BBC lefty' in response to someone saying she must be right because Momentum call her a Tory. The fact is I couldn't say if she's left or right, quite frankly I find her to be a very dull empty vessel.

    All she does most of the time is copy and paste press releases by the parties. So sometimes it will be "government sources say [xyz]" and other times it will be "Labour sources say [abc]" but that's just copying and pasting what others are telling her.

    No proper investigations, when she gets to ask questions whether to Boris, Hancock or Starmer, they're typically rather vapid questions. Hence all the questions from her and others about holidays etc knowing they won't get an answer. Nothing cutting or insightful against anyone.

    She's simply really weak and not impressive at all. A Political Editor really ought to be able to do more than just copy and paste the soundbites that others wish to give to them.
    I would imagine she is on text message terms with many senior politicians and hence whatever she says has gone through the filter of plausibility from those "sources" which are not to be sniffed at.
    Oh absolutely, but as I said that's just copying and pasting what others want to say.

    She really ought to be more competent at stuff other than that. As she represents the BBC she's almost inevitably the first journalist to be called to ask a question, so should have a humdinger lined up sometimes, but its always vapid stuff. When was the last time she asked something unexpected and insightful? I can't think of any time.
    I am still awaiting for the same from you Philip to no avail.

    I have noticed a possible seam of misogyny in your posts, which would explain your view of Laura. Maybe why you relate to "Boris"? A real man's man eh?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,925
    MaxPB said:

    Wow 60m Pfizer doses for the booster shot programme. I think that's their gen 2 vaccine as well (at least that's what I'd heard earlier last week). That covers the whole eligible population with a single dose (every person aged 11 or above).

    Expect mega bitching from the EU in the next few weeks.

    Why? They ordered an extra 100 million about a week ago from Pfizer and are looking to order a billion or more on top of that.

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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,347
    TimT said:

    TimT said:

    kinabalu said:

    The one thing that came out of PMQs for me was Boris's denial he said those words and challenged those who said he had to bring forward their evidence, as they have none

    The simple task for the so called whstlblowers is to bring forward a tape or recording of him saying those words and he has to resign following his HOC denial today

    I would also caution those who may want to accuse Boris, that in view of how angry he was they do not stray into controversial legal territory

    Do you think he knows there's no tape and therefore is safe to lie through his teeth about it?
    What are the odds of a Machiavellian operative like Dom not having recorded on his mobile phone a ranting Johnson, for future leverage?
    Which points back to the central mystery:

    What does D Cummings want?

    It can't be a something, like a job or a policy. He's been so obvious in threatening BoJo that anything he gets will look like a blatant payoff. If the plan was blackmail, it would need to be discreet; hack into the Downing Street streetlights to flash out a coded message or something.

    Tempting to think that it's to catapult Gove into No 10, and the clock is really ticking on that one now, but that would be mad. Though that doesn't rule it out.

    Is it just to destroy Boris, whether for revenge or guilt? It might also destroy Dom, but as things stand, he's dead anyway- so what's he got to lose?

    That was a point I made yesterday. What does this approach get Cummings, apart from revenge? Nothing positive.
    Though if that is the case- that the important thing for Cummings is to destroy Johnson- the Prime Minister is in a significant spot of bother, because the next bit really will be no holds barred.
    Yes. I guess it depends on what, precisely, Cummings has on Boris and how much worse it is than the price that is already baked in.
    I assume that Cummings signed the Offical Secrets Act, he may be subject to arrest if he says too much.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    "@HugoGye
    UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."

    It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,195
    I think the numbers in hospital with Covid will be close to 1,000 by the May 17th next stage of unlocking.

    Given Johnson's demonstrated affinity for the nation's football supporters, I am amazed that the June 21st date isn't being brought forward to before the start of the Euro 2021 tournament.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,964

    MaxPB said:

    Wow 60m Pfizer doses for the booster shot programme. I think that's their gen 2 vaccine as well (at least that's what I'd heard earlier last week). That covers the whole eligible population with a single dose (every person aged 11 or above).

    Expect mega bitching from the EU in the next few weeks.

    Why? They ordered an extra 100 million about a week ago from Pfizer and are looking to order a billion or more on top of that.

    Question if we are receiving those 60 million this Autumn why have the EU been talking about delivery in 2022?
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    MaxPB said:

    Wow 60m Pfizer doses for the booster shot programme. I think that's their gen 2 vaccine as well (at least that's what I'd heard earlier last week). That covers the whole eligible population with a single dose (every person aged 11 or above).

    Expect mega bitching from the EU in the next few weeks.

    Why? They ordered an extra 100 million about a week ago from Pfizer and are looking to order a billion or more on top of that.

    AIUI the big 1.8bn EU order is for the gen 2/3 vaccine, they have got is set for delivery from 2022 and 2023. In comparison it looks as though the UK will get the gen 2 vaccine in 2021 and that matches up with Pfizer's own timeframe for gen 2 delivery.
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781

    Anecdote Alert.

    My business partner is generally very supportive of Johnson. Not an enthusiast, but very much prefers him to any Labour offerings. He said to me today that the wallpaper doesn't worry him at all, but the bodies piled up comment does, adding it's exactly the sort of thing, the "stupid b******" would say.

    So just froth? Maybe, but maybe not.

    This is what I was thinking when Nick Robinson was cooing over Sarah Vine's favourable view of Boris Johnson's wallpaper this morning.

    The press have decided that the refurbishment is the bigger story for now, but the 'bodies' comment and issue will anger a lot more people, I think.
    With refurbishment, Johnson is completely on the hook because there's an audit trail. He's avoiding answering key questions but the truth will out as there is a trail.

    With bodies, journalists have verified via independent witnesses, but Johnson denies it and there is unlikely to be a recording. It's very likely he said it in reality, but harder to make it stick.
    That is what he is counting on. He is a gambler and a liar. He is gambling that if he makes the denial forthright enough no one can prove it, and all the gullible fools that give him the benefit of the doubt will give it in spades. He must love those easily fooled plebs.
    Or he may not have said it

    Innocent until proved guilty is the law of the land

    And it is why he has to resign if a recording or tape exists to condemn him
    Innocent until proven guilty may be the guiding principle in a criminal court, where the burden of proof is with the prosecution. The Court of Public Opinion has different criteria. The problem for Johnson is that most people could imagine him saying such a thing
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wow 60m Pfizer doses for the booster shot programme. I think that's their gen 2 vaccine as well (at least that's what I'd heard earlier last week). That covers the whole eligible population with a single dose (every person aged 11 or above).

    Expect mega bitching from the EU in the next few weeks.

    Why? They ordered an extra 100 million about a week ago from Pfizer and are looking to order a billion or more on top of that.

    Question if we are receiving those 60 million this Autumn why have the EU been talking about delivery in 2022?
    It does make one wonder what the government has done to get this deal, it's seriously a great move IMO as Pfizer are easily the most reliable manufacturer with a top vaccine and have already begun trialling their gen 2 vaccine and they have received approval for kids aged 11-15 as well with a trial for kids aged 5-10 being planned too.
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781

    TimT said:

    TimT said:

    kinabalu said:

    The one thing that came out of PMQs for me was Boris's denial he said those words and challenged those who said he had to bring forward their evidence, as they have none

    The simple task for the so called whstlblowers is to bring forward a tape or recording of him saying those words and he has to resign following his HOC denial today

    I would also caution those who may want to accuse Boris, that in view of how angry he was they do not stray into controversial legal territory

    Do you think he knows there's no tape and therefore is safe to lie through his teeth about it?
    What are the odds of a Machiavellian operative like Dom not having recorded on his mobile phone a ranting Johnson, for future leverage?
    Which points back to the central mystery:

    What does D Cummings want?

    It can't be a something, like a job or a policy. He's been so obvious in threatening BoJo that anything he gets will look like a blatant payoff. If the plan was blackmail, it would need to be discreet; hack into the Downing Street streetlights to flash out a coded message or something.

    Tempting to think that it's to catapult Gove into No 10, and the clock is really ticking on that one now, but that would be mad. Though that doesn't rule it out.

    Is it just to destroy Boris, whether for revenge or guilt? It might also destroy Dom, but as things stand, he's dead anyway- so what's he got to lose?

    That was a point I made yesterday. What does this approach get Cummings, apart from revenge? Nothing positive.
    Though if that is the case- that the important thing for Cummings is to destroy Johnson- the Prime Minister is in a significant spot of bother, because the next bit really will be no holds barred.
    Yes. I guess it depends on what, precisely, Cummings has on Boris and how much worse it is than the price that is already baked in.
    I assume that Cummings signed the Offical Secrets Act, he may be subject to arrest if he says too much.
    As I understand it that only applies to matters that fall under the act
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    eekeek Posts: 24,964
    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wow 60m Pfizer doses for the booster shot programme. I think that's their gen 2 vaccine as well (at least that's what I'd heard earlier last week). That covers the whole eligible population with a single dose (every person aged 11 or above).

    Expect mega bitching from the EU in the next few weeks.

    Why? They ordered an extra 100 million about a week ago from Pfizer and are looking to order a billion or more on top of that.

    Question if we are receiving those 60 million this Autumn why have the EU been talking about delivery in 2022?
    It does make one wonder what the government has done to get this deal, it's seriously a great move IMO as Pfizer are easily the most reliable manufacturer with a top vaccine and have already begun trialling their gen 2 vaccine and they have received approval for kids aged 11-15 as well with a trial for kids aged 5-10 being planned too.
    I suspect not that much - paying the asking price while not being an arse...
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,925
    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wow 60m Pfizer doses for the booster shot programme. I think that's their gen 2 vaccine as well (at least that's what I'd heard earlier last week). That covers the whole eligible population with a single dose (every person aged 11 or above).

    Expect mega bitching from the EU in the next few weeks.

    Why? They ordered an extra 100 million about a week ago from Pfizer and are looking to order a billion or more on top of that.

    Question if we are receiving those 60 million this Autumn why have the EU been talking about delivery in 2022?

    It's a rolling delivery programme - but as the EU is vaccinating later it will need the boosters later. It is by far Pfizer's biggest customer.

    The good news is that after its absolute clusterfuck balls-up the EU is beginning to get its act in order and is set to get the majority of its citizens vaccinated with at least one jab by July. If this happens it is going to allow some serious opening up, which will benefit us hugely.

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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,347
    MaxPB said:

    "@HugoGye
    UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."

    It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
    Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,917
    We're going to be jabbed up like pin cushions come the winter.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,974

    TimT said:

    TimT said:

    kinabalu said:

    The one thing that came out of PMQs for me was Boris's denial he said those words and challenged those who said he had to bring forward their evidence, as they have none

    The simple task for the so called whstlblowers is to bring forward a tape or recording of him saying those words and he has to resign following his HOC denial today

    I would also caution those who may want to accuse Boris, that in view of how angry he was they do not stray into controversial legal territory

    Do you think he knows there's no tape and therefore is safe to lie through his teeth about it?
    What are the odds of a Machiavellian operative like Dom not having recorded on his mobile phone a ranting Johnson, for future leverage?
    Which points back to the central mystery:

    What does D Cummings want?

    It can't be a something, like a job or a policy. He's been so obvious in threatening BoJo that anything he gets will look like a blatant payoff. If the plan was blackmail, it would need to be discreet; hack into the Downing Street streetlights to flash out a coded message or something.

    Tempting to think that it's to catapult Gove into No 10, and the clock is really ticking on that one now, but that would be mad. Though that doesn't rule it out.

    Is it just to destroy Boris, whether for revenge or guilt? It might also destroy Dom, but as things stand, he's dead anyway- so what's he got to lose?

    That was a point I made yesterday. What does this approach get Cummings, apart from revenge? Nothing positive.
    Though if that is the case- that the important thing for Cummings is to destroy Johnson- the Prime Minister is in a significant spot of bother, because the next bit really will be no holds barred.
    Yes. I guess it depends on what, precisely, Cummings has on Boris and how much worse it is than the price that is already baked in.
    I assume that Cummings signed the Offical Secrets Act, he may be subject to arrest if he says too much.
    That WOULD be a great case. The Ponting case would be in the shade!
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,144
    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW

    Rishi Sunak's minister answers questions about Chancellor's redecoration of the No10 flat.

    PQ says: "It was paid for upfront and entirely at his own expense. No request was made to HM Treasury."

    Pointedly 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


    https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2021-03-25/175836

    Does the statement go on -

    "And Rishi's got much better taste in sofas too."
    And mugs.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    TimT said:

    TimT said:

    kinabalu said:

    The one thing that came out of PMQs for me was Boris's denial he said those words and challenged those who said he had to bring forward their evidence, as they have none

    The simple task for the so called whstlblowers is to bring forward a tape or recording of him saying those words and he has to resign following his HOC denial today

    I would also caution those who may want to accuse Boris, that in view of how angry he was they do not stray into controversial legal territory

    Do you think he knows there's no tape and therefore is safe to lie through his teeth about it?
    What are the odds of a Machiavellian operative like Dom not having recorded on his mobile phone a ranting Johnson, for future leverage?
    Which points back to the central mystery:

    What does D Cummings want?

    It can't be a something, like a job or a policy. He's been so obvious in threatening BoJo that anything he gets will look like a blatant payoff. If the plan was blackmail, it would need to be discreet; hack into the Downing Street streetlights to flash out a coded message or something.

    Tempting to think that it's to catapult Gove into No 10, and the clock is really ticking on that one now, but that would be mad. Though that doesn't rule it out.

    Is it just to destroy Boris, whether for revenge or guilt? It might also destroy Dom, but as things stand, he's dead anyway- so what's he got to lose?

    That was a point I made yesterday. What does this approach get Cummings, apart from revenge? Nothing positive.
    Though if that is the case- that the important thing for Cummings is to destroy Johnson- the Prime Minister is in a significant spot of bother, because the next bit really will be no holds barred.
    Yes. I guess it depends on what, precisely, Cummings has on Boris and how much worse it is than the price that is already baked in.
    I assume that Cummings signed the Offical Secrets Act, he may be subject to arrest if he says too much.
    Surely the act applies to classified materials only, not to embarrassing private conversations, particularly those that are held without formal meetings, or observed embarrassing actions.

    I just checked. It appears the OSA applies to intelligence, security, defence and international relations information release of which would cause harm to the nation.

    Not sure that the sleaze stories that might be Cummings focus would qualify, but IANAL (although I signed the OSA on multiple occasions).
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Pulpstar said:

    We're going to be jabbed up like pin cushions come the winter.

    Bring. It. On.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,119

    Anecdote Alert.

    My business partner is generally very supportive of Johnson. Not an enthusiast, but very much prefers him to any Labour offerings. He said to me today that the wallpaper doesn't worry him at all, but the bodies piled up comment does, adding it's exactly the sort of thing, the "stupid b******" would say.

    So just froth? Maybe, but maybe not.

    This is what I was thinking when Nick Robinson was cooing over Sarah Vine's favourable view of Boris Johnson's wallpaper this morning.

    The press have decided that the refurbishment is the bigger story for now, but the 'bodies' comment and issue will anger a lot more people, I think.
    With refurbishment, Johnson is completely on the hook because there's an audit trail. He's avoiding answering key questions but the truth will out as there is a trail.

    With bodies, journalists have verified via independent witnesses, but Johnson denies it and there is unlikely to be a recording. It's very likely he said it in reality, but harder to make it stick.
    That is what he is counting on. He is a gambler and a liar. He is gambling that if he makes the denial forthright enough no one can prove it, and all the gullible fools that give him the benefit of the doubt will give it in spades. He must love those easily fooled plebs.
    Or he may not have said it

    Innocent until proved guilty is the law of the land

    And it is why he has to resign if a recording or tape exists to condemn him
    Only if it is encrypted with an integral time-stamp and backed up by at least half a dozen sworn statements from credible witnesses.Not including anyone who dislikes the prime minister's fiancee, naturally.

    It will be a sad day for British politics when a senior statesman can't express an honest desire for thousands of people to die in order to preserve his career, and lie his way out of it afterwards!
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977
    Interesting pitch for big pharma to come to the UK there..

    “We will never block exports..”
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,925
    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wow 60m Pfizer doses for the booster shot programme. I think that's their gen 2 vaccine as well (at least that's what I'd heard earlier last week). That covers the whole eligible population with a single dose (every person aged 11 or above).

    Expect mega bitching from the EU in the next few weeks.

    Why? They ordered an extra 100 million about a week ago from Pfizer and are looking to order a billion or more on top of that.

    Question if we are receiving those 60 million this Autumn why have the EU been talking about delivery in 2022?
    It does make one wonder what the government has done to get this deal, it's seriously a great move IMO as Pfizer are easily the most reliable manufacturer with a top vaccine and have already begun trialling their gen 2 vaccine and they have received approval for kids aged 11-15 as well with a trial for kids aged 5-10 being planned too.
    I suspect not that much - paying the asking price while not being an arse...

    It's worth remembering that Pfizer's platform partner is a German company. Relations between Pfizer and the EU are much better than they are with AZN.

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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781

    Interesting pitch for big pharma to come to the UK there..

    “We will never block exports..”

    Er, Big Pharma is already here. We have one of the largest and most successful pharma sectors in the world
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    theoldpoliticstheoldpolitics Posts: 240
    edited April 2021
    Brian Rose back down to 42 on Smarkets if anyone has any float left!
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    Interesting pitch for big pharma to come to the UK there..

    “We will never block exports..”

    Er, Big Pharma is already here. We have one of the largest and most successful pharma sectors in the world
    But not one of the biggest vaccine production sectors. Yet.
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    MalcolmDunnMalcolmDunn Posts: 139
    I didn't think Johnson had a bad PMQ's at all. If he gets the clips of himself attacking Starmer on the evening news he will be very pleased indeed.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,279
    edited April 2021
    And Kuenssberg wants to be a serious journalist

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,721

    Interesting pitch for big pharma to come to the UK there..

    “We will never block exports..”

    Er, Big Pharma is already here. We have one of the largest and most successful pharma sectors in the world
    Can always have more.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,119

    MaxPB said:

    "@HugoGye
    UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."

    It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
    Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
    Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?

    Some people are so fickle!
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    JVT has a fascinating way of seemingly accidentally undermining or at least underplaying the success of the vaccines.
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781

    kinabalu said:

    The one thing that came out of PMQs for me was Boris's denial he said those words and challenged those who said he had to bring forward their evidence, as they have none

    The simple task for the so called whstlblowers is to bring forward a tape or recording of him saying those words and he has to resign following his HOC denial today

    I would also caution those who may want to accuse Boris, that in view of how angry he was they do not stray into controversial legal territory

    Do you think he knows there's no tape and therefore is safe to lie through his teeth about it?
    What are the odds of a Machiavellian operative like Dom not having recorded on his mobile phone a ranting Johnson, for future leverage?
    Which points back to the central mystery:

    What does D Cummings want?

    It can't be a something, like a job or a policy. He's been so obvious in threatening BoJo that anything he gets will look like a blatant payoff. If the plan was blackmail, it would need to be discreet; hack into the Downing Street streetlights to flash out a coded message or something.

    Tempting to think that it's to catapult Gove into No 10, and the clock is really ticking on that one now, but that would be mad. Though that doesn't rule it out.

    Is it just to destroy Boris, whether for revenge or guilt? It might also destroy Dom, but as things stand, he's dead anyway- so what's he got to lose?

    Repulsive though Cummings is, MAYBE, just maybe he does have some scruples. He mentioned competence; perhaps he realised that he has helped put an incompetent buffoon in as PM and is going through a phase of remorse? More likely it is revenge of the ego!
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,144
    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    The presser won't be good news (as in early unlockdown good news) because without fail that would be Bozza delivering it. Despite the flak he would take for Wallpapergate.

    Virtually no chance of early unlockdown. But neither of slippage. Think the roadmap is now written in stone.
    Yes, I think that is absolutely correct. They won’t take the risk of loosening early and the inherent negative publicity any spike may bring.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wow 60m Pfizer doses for the booster shot programme. I think that's their gen 2 vaccine as well (at least that's what I'd heard earlier last week). That covers the whole eligible population with a single dose (every person aged 11 or above).

    Expect mega bitching from the EU in the next few weeks.

    Why? They ordered an extra 100 million about a week ago from Pfizer and are looking to order a billion or more on top of that.

    Question if we are receiving those 60 million this Autumn why have the EU been talking about delivery in 2022?
    It does make one wonder what the government has done to get this deal, it's seriously a great move IMO as Pfizer are easily the most reliable manufacturer with a top vaccine and have already begun trialling their gen 2 vaccine and they have received approval for kids aged 11-15 as well with a trial for kids aged 5-10 being planned too.
    I suspect not that much - paying the asking price while not being an arse...

    It's worth remembering that Pfizer's platform partner is a German company. Relations between Pfizer and the EU are much better than they are with AZN.

    That would be the same Pfizer that warned the EU not to block any shipments of vaccines out of Puurs, yes?

    The EU has been burning bridges with more than just AZ, though the latter will probably now think more than twice before entering into any contract with the EU.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612
    Boom!

    Hancock on encouraging vaccine manufacture:

    “We will never block a manufacturer from exporting anywhere in the world”.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612
    LauraK gets the answer she deserves.
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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,347
    Chris said:

    MaxPB said:

    "@HugoGye
    UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."

    It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
    Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
    Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?

    Some people are so fickle!
    Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,279
    edited April 2021

    LauraK gets the answer she deserves.

    She is simply embarrassing
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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,347
    TimT said:

    TimT said:

    TimT said:

    kinabalu said:

    The one thing that came out of PMQs for me was Boris's denial he said those words and challenged those who said he had to bring forward their evidence, as they have none

    The simple task for the so called whstlblowers is to bring forward a tape or recording of him saying those words and he has to resign following his HOC denial today

    I would also caution those who may want to accuse Boris, that in view of how angry he was they do not stray into controversial legal territory

    Do you think he knows there's no tape and therefore is safe to lie through his teeth about it?
    What are the odds of a Machiavellian operative like Dom not having recorded on his mobile phone a ranting Johnson, for future leverage?
    Which points back to the central mystery:

    What does D Cummings want?

    It can't be a something, like a job or a policy. He's been so obvious in threatening BoJo that anything he gets will look like a blatant payoff. If the plan was blackmail, it would need to be discreet; hack into the Downing Street streetlights to flash out a coded message or something.

    Tempting to think that it's to catapult Gove into No 10, and the clock is really ticking on that one now, but that would be mad. Though that doesn't rule it out.

    Is it just to destroy Boris, whether for revenge or guilt? It might also destroy Dom, but as things stand, he's dead anyway- so what's he got to lose?

    That was a point I made yesterday. What does this approach get Cummings, apart from revenge? Nothing positive.
    Though if that is the case- that the important thing for Cummings is to destroy Johnson- the Prime Minister is in a significant spot of bother, because the next bit really will be no holds barred.
    Yes. I guess it depends on what, precisely, Cummings has on Boris and how much worse it is than the price that is already baked in.
    I assume that Cummings signed the Offical Secrets Act, he may be subject to arrest if he says too much.
    Surely the act applies to classified materials only, not to embarrassing private conversations, particularly those that are held without formal meetings, or observed embarrassing actions.

    I just checked. It appears the OSA applies to intelligence, security, defence and international relations information release of which would cause harm to the nation.

    Not sure that the sleaze stories that might be Cummings focus would qualify, but IANAL (although I signed the OSA on multiple occasions).
    Someone in his position must sign something to prevent private conversations being released.
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781
    kle4 said:

    Interesting pitch for big pharma to come to the UK there..

    “We will never block exports..”

    Er, Big Pharma is already here. We have one of the largest and most successful pharma sectors in the world
    Can always have more.
    yes, but as I have said, ad nauseam, to those that have got very excited about the EU's stupidity over the vaccines, pharma CEOs decide on locations or expansion on rational market and supply chain conditions for the long term. They are unlikely to be influenced by some flash in the pan nationalistic nonsense driven either from London, Paris or Brussels. At the moment the favourite place for many is still Ireland and Switzerland, which is mainly driven by favourable tax regimes and supplies of appropriately trained labour
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    Breaking NYT: Federal investigators in Manhattan have executed a search warrant at the Upper East Side apartment of Rudy Giuliani, stepping up a criminal investigation into Giuliani's dealings in Ukraine

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/nyregion/rudy-giuliani-trump-ukraine-warrant.html?referringSource=articleShare
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,119

    Chris said:

    MaxPB said:

    "@HugoGye
    UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."

    It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
    Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
    Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?

    Some people are so fickle!
    Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
    Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.

    So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
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    Chris said:

    MaxPB said:

    "@HugoGye
    UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."

    It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
    Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
    Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?

    Some people are so fickle!
    Clear the strategy (as deployed at PMQs), arguing about who paid for the wallpaper. Completely minimises it. But where there is this kind of nonsense theyll be more. Isnt this what a strong chief of staff is supposed to insulate a PM from?
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,559
    TimT said:

    TimT said:

    TimT said:

    kinabalu said:

    The one thing that came out of PMQs for me was Boris's denial he said those words and challenged those who said he had to bring forward their evidence, as they have none

    The simple task for the so called whstlblowers is to bring forward a tape or recording of him saying those words and he has to resign following his HOC denial today

    I would also caution those who may want to accuse Boris, that in view of how angry he was they do not stray into controversial legal territory

    Do you think he knows there's no tape and therefore is safe to lie through his teeth about it?
    What are the odds of a Machiavellian operative like Dom not having recorded on his mobile phone a ranting Johnson, for future leverage?
    Which points back to the central mystery:

    What does D Cummings want?

    It can't be a something, like a job or a policy. He's been so obvious in threatening BoJo that anything he gets will look like a blatant payoff. If the plan was blackmail, it would need to be discreet; hack into the Downing Street streetlights to flash out a coded message or something.

    Tempting to think that it's to catapult Gove into No 10, and the clock is really ticking on that one now, but that would be mad. Though that doesn't rule it out.

    Is it just to destroy Boris, whether for revenge or guilt? It might also destroy Dom, but as things stand, he's dead anyway- so what's he got to lose?

    That was a point I made yesterday. What does this approach get Cummings, apart from revenge? Nothing positive.
    Though if that is the case- that the important thing for Cummings is to destroy Johnson- the Prime Minister is in a significant spot of bother, because the next bit really will be no holds barred.
    Yes. I guess it depends on what, precisely, Cummings has on Boris and how much worse it is than the price that is already baked in.
    I assume that Cummings signed the Offical Secrets Act, he may be subject to arrest if he says too much.
    Surely the act applies to classified materials only, not to embarrassing private conversations, particularly those that are held without formal meetings, or observed embarrassing actions.

    I just checked. It appears the OSA applies to intelligence, security, defence and international relations information release of which would cause harm to the nation.

    Not sure that the sleaze stories that might be Cummings focus would qualify, but IANAL (although I signed the OSA on multiple occasions).
    A secret undercover clandestine (if that not double redundant) agency of HMG begs to inform you, that your past, present AND future comments on this unauthorized platform may perhaps could (ditto) be construed as serious violations of the Official Secrets Act.

    At least that's the message I get when I put on my tinfoil helmet . . .
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,283
    edited April 2021
    Answer on sending vaccines to India:

    MH: We don't have excess doses of the vaccine in the UK today (so won't export vaccines).
    Lisa Nandy: er, we, er, we would, um, excess, er, ventilators.

    Clear message from Hancock = UK is most important while helping others in any way we can.
    Clear message from Nandy = erm, well, but, and, um...
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    TOPPING said:

    ping said:

    Monkeys said:

    As BBC Political Correspondent, a lot of what LauraK does is report on what the government of the day is saying, from Government sources, so she'll seem biased to whoever is in power. Didn't we call Nick Robinson "toenails," when Gordon Brown was PM, but I didn't see bias from him against Cameron when he took power. She's just doing her job.

    The problem I have with lauraK is that she managed to completely miss Theresa Mays election gamble. For someone so well connected, she monumentally misread / allowed herself to be mislead.

    I was betting on that and lost a lot of money. Her job is to be critical, not just buy into the governments narrative and allow herself to be played like a violin.
    I was a bit tongue-in-cheek earlier today calling her a 'BBC lefty' in response to someone saying she must be right because Momentum call her a Tory. The fact is I couldn't say if she's left or right, quite frankly I find her to be a very dull empty vessel.

    All she does most of the time is copy and paste press releases by the parties. So sometimes it will be "government sources say [xyz]" and other times it will be "Labour sources say [abc]" but that's just copying and pasting what others are telling her.

    No proper investigations, when she gets to ask questions whether to Boris, Hancock or Starmer, they're typically rather vapid questions. Hence all the questions from her and others about holidays etc knowing they won't get an answer. Nothing cutting or insightful against anyone.

    She's simply really weak and not impressive at all. A Political Editor really ought to be able to do more than just copy and paste the soundbites that others wish to give to them.
    I would imagine she is on text message terms with many senior politicians and hence whatever she says has gone through the filter of plausibility from those "sources" which are not to be sniffed at.
    Oh absolutely, but as I said that's just copying and pasting what others want to say.

    She really ought to be more competent at stuff other than that. As she represents the BBC she's almost inevitably the first journalist to be called to ask a question, so should have a humdinger lined up sometimes, but its always vapid stuff. When was the last time she asked something unexpected and insightful? I can't think of any time.
    I am still awaiting for the same from you Philip to no avail.

    I have noticed a possible seam of misogyny in your posts, which would explain your view of Laura. Maybe why you relate to "Boris"? A real man's man eh?
    Were are you pulling that crap from? I've said the same thing about Robert Peston, while I was singing the praises of Liz Truss earlier - so if you're reading misogyny into that then I'm going to put that down to your clear functional illiteracy rather than anything I've said.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,144
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    BREAKING: Arlene Foster says she will step down as DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s First Minister, following calls within the party for a leadership contest. More on @SkyNews now.

    https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1387421383471345673?s=20

    Which means that the next leader will be more unionist and Sinn Fein will win the 2022 election.
    Not at all, Sinn Fein are only ahead now as the DUP have lost hardliners to Traditional Unionist Voice.

    The latest NI Assembly poll has Sinn Fein on 24%, the DUP on 19%, the Alliance on 18% and the SDLP on 13%, the UUP on 12% and Traditional Unionist Voice on 10%.

    So given the DUP + TUV is on 29% combined ie more than Sinn Fein on 24%, if the new DUP leader is sufficiently hardline they can win back those voters lost to TUV and retake the lead.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Northern_Ireland_Assembly_election

    If you are a moderate Unionist you will already be voting UUP not DUP. If you are a centrist you will be voting Alliance not DUP and if you are a Nationalist you will obviously never vote DUP anyway.

    It is hardliners the DUP needs to win back
    Are you sure? Have you ever been to Northern Ireland?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    LauraK gets the answer she deserves.

    I missed her question, was it a good and insightful one this time? Or the typical vapid crap?

    Same question for Peston in case any idiots think this is a gender-related judgement.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,283
    "Following a good dry line" from JVT.

    Anyone heard that expression ever before?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,925
    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wow 60m Pfizer doses for the booster shot programme. I think that's their gen 2 vaccine as well (at least that's what I'd heard earlier last week). That covers the whole eligible population with a single dose (every person aged 11 or above).

    Expect mega bitching from the EU in the next few weeks.

    Why? They ordered an extra 100 million about a week ago from Pfizer and are looking to order a billion or more on top of that.

    Question if we are receiving those 60 million this Autumn why have the EU been talking about delivery in 2022?
    It does make one wonder what the government has done to get this deal, it's seriously a great move IMO as Pfizer are easily the most reliable manufacturer with a top vaccine and have already begun trialling their gen 2 vaccine and they have received approval for kids aged 11-15 as well with a trial for kids aged 5-10 being planned too.
    I suspect not that much - paying the asking price while not being an arse...

    It's worth remembering that Pfizer's platform partner is a German company. Relations between Pfizer and the EU are much better than they are with AZN.

    That would be the same Pfizer that warned the EU not to block any shipments of vaccines out of Puurs, yes?

    The EU has been burning bridges with more than just AZ, though the latter will probably now think more than twice before entering into any contract with the EU.

    It would be the Pfizer that is signing a deal to supply 1.8 billion vaccines to the EU on a rolling basis over the next few years. Because of its size and wealth, the EU is a primary market for all pharma companies. It has acted abysmally over the AZN vaccine, but the fundamentals don't change - all Big Pharma companies need to be there.

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,055
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wow 60m Pfizer doses for the booster shot programme. I think that's their gen 2 vaccine as well (at least that's what I'd heard earlier last week). That covers the whole eligible population with a single dose (every person aged 11 or above).

    Expect mega bitching from the EU in the next few weeks.

    Why? They ordered an extra 100 million about a week ago from Pfizer and are looking to order a billion or more on top of that.

    AIUI the big 1.8bn EU order is for the gen 2/3 vaccine, they have got is set for delivery from 2022 and 2023. In comparison it looks as though the UK will get the gen 2 vaccine in 2021 and that matches up with Pfizer's own timeframe for gen 2 delivery.
    The NY Times is running a puff piece about UvdL's big deal for 2022/2023.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/world/europe/european-union-pfizer-von-der-leyen-coronavirus-vaccine.html
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    TOPPING said:

    "Following a good dry line" from JVT.

    Anyone heard that expression ever before?

    Yes, in a climate/weather context.
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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,347
    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    MaxPB said:

    "@HugoGye
    UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."

    It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
    Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
    Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?

    Some people are so fickle!
    Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
    Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.

    So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
    Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    LauraK gets the answer she deserves.

    She is simply embarrassing
    Be careful or @Nigel_Foremain will be onto you. 😂
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612
    edited April 2021

    LauraK gets the answer she deserves.

    I missed her question, was it a good and insightful one this time? Or the typical vapid crap?

    Same question for Peston in case any idiots think this is a gender-related judgement.
    Wallpaper....

    And Hancock has just told a Times journalist that he’ll skip his wallpaper question...
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    LauraK gets the answer she deserves.

    I missed her question, was it a good and insightful one this time? Or the typical vapid crap?

    Same question for Peston in case any idiots think this is a gender-related judgement.
    Effectively asked if Boris should resign
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,500
    Scott_xP said:

    Stocky said:

    He must pay for something. He earns enough dosh and given he's skint must spend all the dosh he earns one way or another.

    Child support
    He has a bastard of a divorce settlement with Marina.

    IIRC she did a Princess Di.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,559

    Breaking NYT: Federal investigators in Manhattan have executed a search warrant at the Upper East Side apartment of Rudy Giuliani, stepping up a criminal investigation into Giuliani's dealings in Ukraine

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/nyregion/rudy-giuliani-trump-ukraine-warrant.html?referringSource=articleShare

    Not every day a former US District Attorney is subject of a search warrant issued & executed by his former office in his old jurisdiction, in this case the Southern District of New York.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,144

    I am sure the lefties on here are grateful to Mr Smithson for allowing them a thread to froth over. Its been a long time where the left have had to suck it up... Time to give them a moment to enjoy, if wallpaper be the subject of their wrath, so be it.

    He's filled our boots over the last few days, and I for one am enjoying the spectacle. My favourite day was Monday, when all the shellshocked fanbois kept a low profile, so those of us not in the Johnson camp could harp on unhindered to our hearts content.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    MaxPB said:

    "@HugoGye
    UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."

    It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
    Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
    Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?

    Some people are so fickle!
    Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
    Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.

    So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
    That's very funny! Stark raving loonies are de rigueur at the moment. Just look at the PM and his floozy.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,119

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    MaxPB said:

    "@HugoGye
    UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."

    It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
    Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
    Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?

    Some people are so fickle!
    Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
    Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.

    So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
    Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
    Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    kinabalu said:

    The one thing that came out of PMQs for me was Boris's denial he said those words and challenged those who said he had to bring forward their evidence, as they have none

    The simple task for the so called whstlblowers is to bring forward a tape or recording of him saying those words and he has to resign following his HOC denial today

    I would also caution those who may want to accuse Boris, that in view of how angry he was they do not stray into controversial legal territory

    Do you think he knows there's no tape and therefore is safe to lie through his teeth about it?
    What are the odds of a Machiavellian operative like Dom not having recorded on his mobile phone a ranting Johnson, for future leverage?
    Which points back to the central mystery:

    What does D Cummings want?

    It can't be a something, like a job or a policy. He's been so obvious in threatening BoJo that anything he gets will look like a blatant payoff. If the plan was blackmail, it would need to be discreet; hack into the Downing Street streetlights to flash out a coded message or something.

    Tempting to think that it's to catapult Gove into No 10, and the clock is really ticking on that one now, but that would be mad. Though that doesn't rule it out.

    Is it just to destroy Boris, whether for revenge or guilt? It might also destroy Dom, but as things stand, he's dead anyway- so what's he got to lose?

    Repulsive though Cummings is, MAYBE, just maybe he does have some scruples. He mentioned competence; perhaps he realised that he has helped put an incompetent buffoon in as PM and is going through a phase of remorse? More likely it is revenge of the ego!
    If he has discovered those scruples, it appears to have been in an entirely self-serving way.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,378
    edited April 2021

    Breaking NYT: Federal investigators in Manhattan have executed a search warrant at the Upper East Side apartment of Rudy Giuliani, stepping up a criminal investigation into Giuliani's dealings in Ukraine

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/nyregion/rudy-giuliani-trump-ukraine-warrant.html?referringSource=articleShare

    Not every day a former US District Attorney is subject of a search warrant issued & executed by his former office in his old jurisdiction, in this case the Southern District of New York.
    When I took this job in 2011 I was told one thing, move to DEFCON 1 if the SDNY contacts the firm.

    The dye (sic) is cast for Rudy.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    LauraK gets the answer she deserves.

    I missed her question, was it a good and insightful one this time? Or the typical vapid crap?

    Same question for Peston in case any idiots think this is a gender-related judgement.
    Effectively asked if Boris should resign
    So typical vapid crap then. How surprising. 🤦‍♂️
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    Breaking NYT: Federal investigators in Manhattan have executed a search warrant at the Upper East Side apartment of Rudy Giuliani, stepping up a criminal investigation into Giuliani's dealings in Ukraine

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/nyregion/rudy-giuliani-trump-ukraine-warrant.html?referringSource=articleShare


    One step closer to The Donald.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,964

    Breaking NYT: Federal investigators in Manhattan have executed a search warrant at the Upper East Side apartment of Rudy Giuliani, stepping up a criminal investigation into Giuliani's dealings in Ukraine

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/nyregion/rudy-giuliani-trump-ukraine-warrant.html?referringSource=articleShare

    Not every day a former US District Attorney is subject of a search warrant issued & executed by his former office in his old jurisdiction, in this case the Southern District of New York.
    When I took this job in 2011 I was told one thing, move to DEFCON 1 if the SDNY contacts the firm.

    The dye (sic) is cast for Rudy.
    There are merely going there to collect confirmation of what they already know.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    TimT said:

    TimT said:

    TimT said:

    kinabalu said:

    The one thing that came out of PMQs for me was Boris's denial he said those words and challenged those who said he had to bring forward their evidence, as they have none

    The simple task for the so called whstlblowers is to bring forward a tape or recording of him saying those words and he has to resign following his HOC denial today

    I would also caution those who may want to accuse Boris, that in view of how angry he was they do not stray into controversial legal territory

    Do you think he knows there's no tape and therefore is safe to lie through his teeth about it?
    What are the odds of a Machiavellian operative like Dom not having recorded on his mobile phone a ranting Johnson, for future leverage?
    Which points back to the central mystery:

    What does D Cummings want?

    It can't be a something, like a job or a policy. He's been so obvious in threatening BoJo that anything he gets will look like a blatant payoff. If the plan was blackmail, it would need to be discreet; hack into the Downing Street streetlights to flash out a coded message or something.

    Tempting to think that it's to catapult Gove into No 10, and the clock is really ticking on that one now, but that would be mad. Though that doesn't rule it out.

    Is it just to destroy Boris, whether for revenge or guilt? It might also destroy Dom, but as things stand, he's dead anyway- so what's he got to lose?

    That was a point I made yesterday. What does this approach get Cummings, apart from revenge? Nothing positive.
    Though if that is the case- that the important thing for Cummings is to destroy Johnson- the Prime Minister is in a significant spot of bother, because the next bit really will be no holds barred.
    Yes. I guess it depends on what, precisely, Cummings has on Boris and how much worse it is than the price that is already baked in.
    I assume that Cummings signed the Offical Secrets Act, he may be subject to arrest if he says too much.
    Surely the act applies to classified materials only, not to embarrassing private conversations, particularly those that are held without formal meetings, or observed embarrassing actions.

    I just checked. It appears the OSA applies to intelligence, security, defence and international relations information release of which would cause harm to the nation.

    Not sure that the sleaze stories that might be Cummings focus would qualify, but IANAL (although I signed the OSA on multiple occasions).
    Someone in his position must sign something to prevent private conversations being released.
    In all likelihood. But, if he is prosecuted for whatever information he may release, I don't think it'll be under the OSA.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    Breaking NYT: Federal investigators in Manhattan have executed a search warrant at the Upper East Side apartment of Rudy Giuliani, stepping up a criminal investigation into Giuliani's dealings in Ukraine

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/nyregion/rudy-giuliani-trump-ukraine-warrant.html?referringSource=articleShare

    Not every day a former US District Attorney is subject of a search warrant issued & executed by his former office in his old jurisdiction, in this case the Southern District of New York.
    When I took this job in 2011 I was told one thing, move to DEFCON 1 if the SDNY contacts the firm.

    The dye (sic) is cast for Rudy.
    I thought the dye was running for Rudy.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,283

    TOPPING said:

    "Following a good dry line" from JVT.

    Anyone heard that expression ever before?

    Yes, in a climate/weather context.
    Yes I googled. But "follow" it?
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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,347
    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    Chris said:

    MaxPB said:

    "@HugoGye
    UK has ordered another 60m doses of Pfizer vaccine to use as part of booster shot programme in the autumn, Matt Hancock says."

    It's another very, very good move wrt vaccines as Pfizer are prepping their gen 2 vaccine for delivery in the timeframe the government is talking about. I'm once again impressed by the level of organisation that the government has showed with this. This is the world's best insurance policy in the west against another lockdown. I genuinely don't think any other major country has been this forwards thinking.
    Stuff the Government's outstanding performance on vaccines to enable this Country to get back to normallity, lets spend days discussing who paid for wallpaper on a taxpayer owned property.
    Blimey! Have you defected from the "It's all a fake, COVID is no worse than the flu" camp?

    Some people are so fickle!
    Im not in that camp, Im in the masks don't prevent Covid transmission camp (its a small but select group) , they certainly prevent Flu transmission as shown by the fact there has been no flu in the UK for months, but they do not prevent Covid transmission as numerous countries where there is a mask wearing mandate show.
    Thanks for clarifying exactly what kind of stark raving loony you are.

    So sorry to have got it a bit wrong.
    Look at Thailand, everyone wears masks there, how is their Covid situation looking today?
    Never mind that - look at Mars! Or Planet Tharg, in the DARK DIMENSION ....
    Look at the graph

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Thailand-s-new-COVID-wave-slams-hospitals-ignites-public-anger

    Its sad that I am considered a lunatic for pointing out the obvious. If masks worked than there is no way a Country where mask wearing is almost 100% prevelant would have expotential growth like that.

    Remember last year how Thailand was praised for having low covid numbers with the main reason being mask wearing. All those people doing the praising have gone quiet now as they can't have it both ways.
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,119

    LauraK gets the answer she deserves.

    I missed her question, was it a good and insightful one this time? Or the typical vapid crap?

    Same question for Peston in case any idiots think this is a gender-related judgement.
    Wallpaper....

    And Hancock has just told a Times journalist that he’ll skip his wallpaper question...
    Surely the right answer is the one given by a Tory MP (I can't remember which).

    "I don't give a damn who gave the money to the prime minister, so long as it wasn't my constituents".

    But I think it was better put by Peter Cook:
    "It is not contested by the defence that enormous sums of money flowed towards them in unusual ways. ... It will be a sad day for this country when a leading politician cannot spend his election expenses in any way he sees fit."
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977
    TimT said:

    Interesting pitch for big pharma to come to the UK there..

    “We will never block exports..”

    Er, Big Pharma is already here. We have one of the largest and most successful pharma sectors in the world
    But not one of the biggest vaccine production sectors. Yet.
    Yes - what I was getting at..
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,953
    Worst question in Covid presser history goes to... LauraK.

    Had absolutely sod all to do with Covid. More wallpaper bothering.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,559
    eek said:

    Breaking NYT: Federal investigators in Manhattan have executed a search warrant at the Upper East Side apartment of Rudy Giuliani, stepping up a criminal investigation into Giuliani's dealings in Ukraine

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/28/nyregion/rudy-giuliani-trump-ukraine-warrant.html?referringSource=articleShare

    Not every day a former US District Attorney is subject of a search warrant issued & executed by his former office in his old jurisdiction, in this case the Southern District of New York.
    When I took this job in 2011 I was told one thing, move to DEFCON 1 if the SDNY contacts the firm.

    The dye (sic) is cast for Rudy.
    There are merely going there to collect confirmation of what they already know.
    Which is generally what smart lawyers do - classic Perry Mason!
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    RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,977
    Thank god for professor Snape, seemingly coming to save us all from the dementors (or Tories, as some like to say)
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    gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    Mortimer said:

    gealbhan said:

    gealbhan said:

    gealbhan said:

    NEW: Press conference at 5pm, hosted by Matt Hancock - JVT in attendance

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1387394219212480514?s=20

    JVT Klaxon
    Roll out the footy analogies... 'We are 6-0 up, in the last minute of the game, but sides have lost from here before...'
    LOL :D

    I'd like to think our journalists would ask about lifting restrictions early, but I suspect they will be wittering on about holidays again, and with a subsidary about decorating... I firmly believe we have enough evidence in terms of cases (not rising), population antibodies (thanks ONS), evidence of real world vaccine effects (both within patient, and in preventing/reducing transmission) to be less cautious, but I'd be amazed if any of the lobby ask about it.
    It is very odd how the May 17 date is now seemingly set in stone. What the government could offer – through its own rules – is a raft of so-called test events with full crowds – e.g. Royal Ascot and the England vs Scotland Euro 2021 match at Wembley. Those dates are so close to the end date of June 21 (just a few days before it) that imposing restrictions on them seems farcical.
    It’s still only small percentages allowed in arenas after the 17th, not full houses?

    When they talk about fans in grounds, I hadn’t realised for Leicester semi you could only go if you lived in Brent. The fans looked more bemused than excited.
    That's the point I'm making. The events I cite are a few days before 21 June – they should be allowed full crowds.
    Do you think there will be full crowds everywhere after 21 June? It’s not mandatory is it, venues have right to restrict and distance.
    No it's not mandatory. If Ascot want to run a half crowd then up to them, ditto Wembley, pandemic or no pandemic, that's their right. But given those events I cite are literally a few days before 21 June then mandating the restrictions is farcical.

    To put that in clear terms: England play Scotland on Friday 18 June. That's the biggest football match on these shores for years. The restrictions are due to be lifted the following Monday. Under the current plans, Wembley would be limited to 10,000 fans – not even enough to meet Scotland's away allocation, never mind England's. If the game were staged just 60 hours later, they could sell out all 90,000 tickets.

    Royal Ascot is the same week 15-19 June.

    What exactly is your point? I find it hard to infer from your posts at times.
    My point being that your point is a good one. 60 hours later could be potential sell out. So why not special dispensation for the full house?

    Well, the date may have been fabricated on basis it is sixty hours this side in the first place. My point being, if it was sixty hours or more later, they wouldn’t have tried to sell anything near the full house. The government and scientists wouldn’t’ the have been comfortable with that, nor Wembley stadium.

    After June 21st it’s not normal, it’s new normal.
    Eh? What does this mean? There are games in the tournament after 21 June, that will not be subject to restrictions. Why should England vs Scotland be? What is "new normal"?
    A phrase that the frit like to bandy around to make themselves feel better....
    Oh I fully understand now. Anything not at full capacity after June 21st some of you are determined to be frothing at the mouth and waving your skinny fists at - FOR NO GOOD REASON. 😀
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