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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    Husband of Allegra Stratton suggesting the Government might have found a solution to social care here:

    "The best solution, however, may be to require the over-40s to buy compulsory social care insurance. The premiums could be deducted directly from their monthly salaries in the same way that student loan repayments are taken off young graduates’ wages."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-solve-their-youth-problem-7lsx5zc53

    :lol:

    How to lose an election.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080

    .

    Husband of Allegra Stratton suggesting the Government might have found a solution to social care here:

    "The best solution, however, may be to require the over-40s to buy compulsory social care insurance. The premiums could be deducted directly from their monthly salaries in the same way that student loan repayments are taken off young graduates’ wages."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-solve-their-youth-problem-7lsx5zc53

    LOL I think we said a year or two ago something like this would be introduced when we turn 40.

    Tuition fees introduced when we become students. Now care insurance introduced when we turn 40.

    No doubt when Millenials come around to retirement then it will be a case of abolishing pensions.
    I have been working on the principle that this will be the case for when I get to be an oldie.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,761

    IanB2 said:

    Breaking: new ‘Siberian’ coronavirus variant identified in Russia

    Variants most likely to crop up in places where the Plague is running riot, just as predicted.

    We can forget any official figures the Russians dole out for Covid fatalities. The excess deaths tell the true story. The country's a charnel house.
    Is the plague running riot in Siberia? Or is that just a name?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,761

    Did I just wake up and Lawrence Fox was being spoken of as a potential MP. Which Universe am I in?

    Dunno. We debated multiverses a couple of weeks ago on PB one evening, but i can't remember the answer.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited April 2021
    Bbc world service science in action on the situation in India;

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct1l3j

    Stupid, stupid decision by our govt to delay travel ban. We’re gonna regret it.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    .

    Husband of Allegra Stratton suggesting the Government might have found a solution to social care here:

    "The best solution, however, may be to require the over-40s to buy compulsory social care insurance. The premiums could be deducted directly from their monthly salaries in the same way that student loan repayments are taken off young graduates’ wages."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-solve-their-youth-problem-7lsx5zc53

    LOL I think we said a year or two ago something like this would be introduced when we turn 40.

    Tuition fees introduced when we become students. Now care insurance introduced when we turn 40.

    No doubt when Millenials come around to retirement then it will be a case of abolishing pensions.
    And it'll be even worse for the generation after that. I've only got to save up for a deposit while paying off £65k of student loans :smile:
  • tlg86 said:

    Husband of Allegra Stratton suggesting the Government might have found a solution to social care here:

    "The best solution, however, may be to require the over-40s to buy compulsory social care insurance. The premiums could be deducted directly from their monthly salaries in the same way that student loan repayments are taken off young graduates’ wages."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-solve-their-youth-problem-7lsx5zc53

    :lol:

    How to lose an election.
    Any solution has to be cross party and viable
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    tlg86 said:

    Husband of Allegra Stratton suggesting the Government might have found a solution to social care here:

    "The best solution, however, may be to require the over-40s to buy compulsory social care insurance. The premiums could be deducted directly from their monthly salaries in the same way that student loan repayments are taken off young graduates’ wages."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-solve-their-youth-problem-7lsx5zc53

    :lol:

    How to lose an election.
    It's been introduced for private pensions with no issues.

    I think it's more politically acceptable than ever greater council tax rises or selling one's home - the question is the mechanism for the premium, and the amount.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    tlg86 said:

    Husband of Allegra Stratton suggesting the Government might have found a solution to social care here:

    "The best solution, however, may be to require the over-40s to buy compulsory social care insurance. The premiums could be deducted directly from their monthly salaries in the same way that student loan repayments are taken off young graduates’ wages."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-solve-their-youth-problem-7lsx5zc53

    :lol:

    How to lose an election.
    It's been introduced for private pensions with no issues.

    I think it's more politically acceptable than ever greater council tax rises or selling one's home - the question is the mechanism for the premium, and the amount.
    It's new, so it will be hated.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    IanB2 said:

    TimT said:

    IanB2 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Six hospitals in the Indian capital Delhi have completely run out of oxygen and doctors say other hospitals have just a few hours' worth of supply left.

    Those cricket matches from a few weeks ago with 60k fans seem a lifetime away.

    The Indians won't need all those vaccines, they are going to hit herd immunity sometime next week.
    I think we can put to bed the theories of countries where due to over crowding people more resistant to lots of things.

    Nigeria is the country that still stands out. Even if we take it as given they aren't really testing, no reports of any sort of melt down of the health system.
    IanB2 said:

    Breaking: new ‘Siberian’ coronavirus variant identified in Russia

    Yet our government is planning to allow summer holidays to at least 30 countries.

    Just how bloody incompetent is this government?
    Its insanity...and of course they keep doing this showing a bit of leg over summer hols, then delaying decisions....they should have said months ago, sorry no foreign holidays this summer, end of.

    Politically its also dumb, as if they do cancel them, people will be even more pissed off.
    My sister and family had a week in Mallorca booked for July. Tui cancelled that themselves this week and gave her a refund.
    Desperately hoping that they can justify opening air bridges with some of these destinations later in the Summer. Not much chance of that in most cases, and certainly not any of the big ones.

    Malta and Israel don't have room for about fourteen million beached whales. A lot of folk who are simply desperate to get sunburnt are going to have to make do with Bournemouth this year.
    Holiday central here already, and it’s only April. When the hotels and restaurants open it will be busier still.
    What are the rules for fully vaccinated Brits visiting the UK from the US? Hoping to come see family in Cornwall this spring.
    Hasn’t the US just banned travel to the UK?
    I'll have to check. I was interested in the UK rules. From uk.gov, it seems the rules have not made any allowance yet for being fully vaccinated.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Chameleon said:

    .

    Husband of Allegra Stratton suggesting the Government might have found a solution to social care here:

    "The best solution, however, may be to require the over-40s to buy compulsory social care insurance. The premiums could be deducted directly from their monthly salaries in the same way that student loan repayments are taken off young graduates’ wages."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-solve-their-youth-problem-7lsx5zc53

    LOL I think we said a year or two ago something like this would be introduced when we turn 40.

    Tuition fees introduced when we become students. Now care insurance introduced when we turn 40.

    No doubt when Millenials come around to retirement then it will be a case of abolishing pensions.
    And it'll be even worse for the generation after that. I've only got to save up for a deposit while paying off £65k of student loans :smile:
    But god forbid that old people on gold-plated final salarty pensions pay for their own bus ticket.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    Can anyone explain the logic behind delaying the travel ban from India? I cannot think of any reasons.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    edited April 2021

    Husband of Allegra Stratton suggesting the Government might have found a solution to social care here:

    "The best solution, however, may be to require the over-40s to buy compulsory social care insurance. The premiums could be deducted directly from their monthly salaries in the same way that student loan repayments are taken off young graduates’ wages."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-solve-their-youth-problem-7lsx5zc53

    Somebody who is around 40 is going to be right pissed off, they will be the ones who have significant student loans and then this.
    Not quite, at least not yet. The oldest people on the 3k pa fees would be around 35 right now, and no-one over 30 would have paid 9k pa.

    I don't really think this is the way to solve intergenerational fairness. If anything, age-related taxes just makes everything worse. We need something a whole lot more subtle than this.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,127
    Endillion said:

    Husband of Allegra Stratton suggesting the Government might have found a solution to social care here:

    "The best solution, however, may be to require the over-40s to buy compulsory social care insurance. The premiums could be deducted directly from their monthly salaries in the same way that student loan repayments are taken off young graduates’ wages."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-solve-their-youth-problem-7lsx5zc53

    Somebody who is around 40 is going to be right pissed off, they will be the ones who have significant student loans and then this.
    Not quite, at least not yet. The oldest people on the 3k pa fees would be around 35 right now, and no-one over 30 would have paid 9k pa.

    I don't really think this is the way to solve intergenerational fairness. If anything, age-related taxes just makes everything worse. We need something a whole lot more subtle than this.
    *Raises hand* - mine were the last year to pay £1k pa - I'm 34.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,827

    Can anyone explain the logic behind delaying the travel ban from India? I cannot think of any reasons.

    The PM had a trade mission.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028


    What now?!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,761

    Can anyone explain the logic behind delaying the travel ban from India? I cannot think of any reasons.

    Boris Johnson wanted to go there to start the cementing of the desperately wanted (by him) trade deal.

    Quite clear.

    Another massive dereliction of duty so close after the 'Save Xmas' fiasco.

    Just hope this country doesn't pay a very heavy price for this.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Husband of Allegra Stratton suggesting the Government might have found a solution to social care here:

    "The best solution, however, may be to require the over-40s to buy compulsory social care insurance. The premiums could be deducted directly from their monthly salaries in the same way that student loan repayments are taken off young graduates’ wages."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-solve-their-youth-problem-7lsx5zc53

    :lol:

    How to lose an election.
    It's been introduced for private pensions with no issues.

    I think it's more politically acceptable than ever greater council tax rises or selling one's home - the question is the mechanism for the premium, and the amount.
    It's new, so it will be hated.
    Ok, but my council tax is going up an extra 2% each and every year because of this already, so, the dog has to bark somewhere.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,689


    What now?!

    Reshuffle?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,761
    Do we have spare oxygen for India now our plague is under control?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,761

    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    Bad for Labour if Liam Byrne fails to win W Mids mayoralty: not even close on 1st prefs
    @RedfieldWilton
    http://nuk-tnl-deck-email.s3.amazonaws.com/2/96cef91ce78fa11066456db9b1275661.html

    Doesn't surprise me from what I have heard back from my old stomping ground.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028


    What now?!

    Reshuffle?
    Could be...obviously something that’s embargoed until a certain time..

    Interesting week of news..
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080



    What now?!

    Is this the Torygraph story claiming Big Dom is the leaker?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,761

    Neil Henderson
    @hendopolis
    TELEGRAPH: Cummings accused of leaking No10 texts #TomorrowsPapersToday
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176


    Neil Henderson
    @hendopolis
    TELEGRAPH: Cummings accused of leaking No10 texts #TomorrowsPapersToday

    Ka fucking boom!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Husband of Allegra Stratton suggesting the Government might have found a solution to social care here:

    "The best solution, however, may be to require the over-40s to buy compulsory social care insurance. The premiums could be deducted directly from their monthly salaries in the same way that student loan repayments are taken off young graduates’ wages."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-solve-their-youth-problem-7lsx5zc53

    :lol:

    How to lose an election.
    It's been introduced for private pensions with no issues.

    I think it's more politically acceptable than ever greater council tax rises or selling one's home - the question is the mechanism for the premium, and the amount.
    It's new, so it will be hated.
    Ok, but my council tax is going up an extra 2% each and every year because of this already, so, the dog has to bark somewhere.
    General Taxation.

    Put it in the NHS budget and sort it out from there.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487


    What now?!

    Reshuffle?
    Probably just Harry Cole being a drama queen about a unique scoop The Sun has that won't be that exciting.

    I'm not staying up for it.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    I think it’s the Cummings leak story -

    🚨 | BREAKING: Downing Street has accused Dominic Cummings of leaking the PM’s texts
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080


    Neil Henderson
    @hendopolis
    TELEGRAPH: Cummings accused of leaking No10 texts #TomorrowsPapersToday

    Guido ran this story earlier today.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    edited April 2021
    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1385341948484112385

    Tory war explodes again as PM points finger at "bitter" sacked ally Dom Cummings over slew of leaks

    💣 PM "deeply disappointed and saddened" over “suspicion” ex-Brexit comrade behind text message stories

    💣Fears DC bitter and trying to undermine him
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    What a disappointing anti climax
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487

    I think it’s the Cummings leak story -

    🚨 | BREAKING: Downing Street has accused Dominic Cummings of leaking the PM’s texts

    Meh. I don't see how that's news.

    Cummings has been doing leaking since Day One.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited April 2021
    Erhhhh...that isn't in the rules...

    The social services manager from Walsall, UK, who was in India visiting family, began ringing local travel agents in attempt to beat the Friday deadline.

    BBC News - Coronavirus: 'We want to get home, but there aren't any tickets'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56846968
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    I think it’s the Cummings leak story -

    🚨 | BREAKING: Downing Street has accused Dominic Cummings of leaking the PM’s texts

    Meh. I don't see how that's news.

    Cummings has been doing leaking since Day One.
    I'd have thought the bigger issue is, what else might he leak that he really ought not to. Security risk?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,392

    Floater said:
    That's upsetting. It shows what could have happened had the NHS been overwhelmed.
    It's, sadly. going to get way, way worse than this over the next 3 or so weeks given that they've only just triggered a lockdown.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    eek said:

    Floater said:
    That's upsetting. It shows what could have happened had the NHS been overwhelmed.
    It's, sadly. going to get way, way worse than this over the next 3 or so weeks given that they've only just triggered a lockdown.
    And hardly anybody in India is fully vaccinated and I think only 10% had one dose.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,761
    tlg86 said:

    I think it’s the Cummings leak story -

    🚨 | BREAKING: Downing Street has accused Dominic Cummings of leaking the PM’s texts

    Meh. I don't see how that's news.

    Cummings has been doing leaking since Day One.
    I'd have thought the bigger issue is, what else might he leak that he really ought not to. Security risk?
    Oh well, let's see what shit Boris's girlfriend throws back at the Barnard Castle One.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264


    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    Bad for Labour if Liam Byrne fails to win W Mids mayoralty: not even close on 1st prefs
    @RedfieldWilton
    http://nuk-tnl-deck-email.s3.amazonaws.com/2/96cef91ce78fa11066456db9b1275661.html

    Doesn't surprise me from what I have heard back from my old stomping ground.

    Also helps that Street is a nice, personable guy making progress, whereas WMids Labour is basically useless. Both polls on the race have Byrne losing by 4%+.

    I tipped him earlier today at 4/11, now into 3/10 and probably still value.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,351

    Can anyone explain the logic behind delaying the travel ban from India? I cannot think of any reasons.

    A lot of people in this country have family in India and travel between the two countries.

    See also the Australian decision with respect to stranding their own citizens abroad.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080

    tlg86 said:

    I think it’s the Cummings leak story -

    🚨 | BREAKING: Downing Street has accused Dominic Cummings of leaking the PM’s texts

    Meh. I don't see how that's news.

    Cummings has been doing leaking since Day One.
    I'd have thought the bigger issue is, what else might he leak that he really ought not to. Security risk?
    Oh well, let's see what shit Boris's girlfriend throws back at the Barnard Castle One.
    Whatever happened to the wedding?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,351

    Floater said:
    That is utterly desperate and upsetting
    The same thing is happening in Peru at the moment. £600 for a tank of oxygen.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,392

    Erhhhh...that isn't in the rules...

    The social services manager from Walsall, UK, who was in India visiting family, began ringing local travel agents in attempt to beat the Friday deadline.

    BBC News - Coronavirus: 'We want to get home, but there aren't any tickets'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56846968

    I wouldn't be calling him one of the lucky ones

    He's a frigging idiot for going to India on holiday in the first place.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    Chameleon said:

    .

    Husband of Allegra Stratton suggesting the Government might have found a solution to social care here:

    "The best solution, however, may be to require the over-40s to buy compulsory social care insurance. The premiums could be deducted directly from their monthly salaries in the same way that student loan repayments are taken off young graduates’ wages."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-solve-their-youth-problem-7lsx5zc53

    LOL I think we said a year or two ago something like this would be introduced when we turn 40.

    Tuition fees introduced when we become students. Now care insurance introduced when we turn 40.

    No doubt when Millenials come around to retirement then it will be a case of abolishing pensions.
    And it'll be even worse for the generation after that. I've only got to save up for a deposit while paying off £65k of student loans :smile:
    But god forbid that old people on gold-plated final salarty pensions pay for their own bus ticket.
    As much as Labour are in a difficult position now, the Tories will be in a difficult position soon. There is intense resentment, even among the lucky young.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,201

    Chameleon said:

    .

    Husband of Allegra Stratton suggesting the Government might have found a solution to social care here:

    "The best solution, however, may be to require the over-40s to buy compulsory social care insurance. The premiums could be deducted directly from their monthly salaries in the same way that student loan repayments are taken off young graduates’ wages."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-solve-their-youth-problem-7lsx5zc53

    LOL I think we said a year or two ago something like this would be introduced when we turn 40.

    Tuition fees introduced when we become students. Now care insurance introduced when we turn 40.

    No doubt when Millenials come around to retirement then it will be a case of abolishing pensions.
    And it'll be even worse for the generation after that. I've only got to save up for a deposit while paying off £65k of student loans :smile:
    But god forbid that old people on gold-plated final salarty pensions pay for their own bus ticket.
    Eat the old.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,392

    tlg86 said:

    Husband of Allegra Stratton suggesting the Government might have found a solution to social care here:

    "The best solution, however, may be to require the over-40s to buy compulsory social care insurance. The premiums could be deducted directly from their monthly salaries in the same way that student loan repayments are taken off young graduates’ wages."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-solve-their-youth-problem-7lsx5zc53

    :lol:

    How to lose an election.
    It's been introduced for private pensions with no issues.

    I think it's more politically acceptable than ever greater council tax rises or selling one's home - the question is the mechanism for the premium, and the amount.
    On Pensions you can still opt out (but you can't be encouraged to opt out and attempts should be made to dissuade you). That isn't the same as what's being proposed here.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    eek said:

    Erhhhh...that isn't in the rules...

    The social services manager from Walsall, UK, who was in India visiting family, began ringing local travel agents in attempt to beat the Friday deadline.

    BBC News - Coronavirus: 'We want to get home, but there aren't any tickets'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56846968

    I wouldn't be calling him one of the lucky ones

    He's a frigging idiot for going to India on holiday in the first place.
    We really should be throwing the £10k fines at these people.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,392

    I think it’s the Cummings leak story -

    🚨 | BREAKING: Downing Street has accused Dominic Cummings of leaking the PM’s texts

    Meh. I don't see how that's news.

    Cummings has been doing leaking since Day One.
    And if the Dyson story is the best he's got left Boris has little to worry about.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Cameron back on the front pages. Apparently he lobbied the BoE too.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,827
    tlg86 said:

    I think it’s the Cummings leak story -

    🚨 | BREAKING: Downing Street has accused Dominic Cummings of leaking the PM’s texts

    Meh. I don't see how that's news.

    Cummings has been doing leaking since Day One.
    I'd have thought the bigger issue is, what else might he leak that he really ought not to. Security risk?
    Good job he has no links to Russia in his history then.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042

    I think it’s the Cummings leak story -

    🚨 | BREAKING: Downing Street has accused Dominic Cummings of leaking the PM’s texts

    Meh. I don't see how that's news.

    Cummings has been doing leaking since Day One.
    I don't see:

    1. Why this is news, given the article doesn't seem to have any actual hard evidence;
    2. Why this is news, given that even if it is true it doesn't really affect the public; or
    3. Why someone would brief this? Presuming it is No 10 saying this, it just makes Cummings look powerful even after he is kicked out and draws attention to in-fighting within the government. It's almost like Cummings should have leaked this story, except apparently he hasn't?

    Also, how and why would Cummings have copies of Johnson's text messages from several months ago? Is that a thing that colleagues, even in a PM/Chief of Staff situation, tend to share in a verifiable, storable, format?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited April 2021
    tlg86 said:

    Cameron back on the front pages. Apparently he lobbied the BoE too.

    I am getting the feeling I am the only person who hasn't been lobbied by him....I don't know if I should count myself lucky or be offended that I am considered a total nobody.
  • https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1385346515649114112

    Finally, some big picture thinking from Labour
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited April 2021

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1385346515649114112

    Finally, some big picture thinking from Labour

    Loft laggers of the world unite.....this same plan gets reannounced every year, is as regular as the stories of strawberry shortages.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    Quincel said:

    I think it’s the Cummings leak story -

    🚨 | BREAKING: Downing Street has accused Dominic Cummings of leaking the PM’s texts

    Meh. I don't see how that's news.

    Cummings has been doing leaking since Day One.
    I don't see:

    1. Why this is news, given the article doesn't seem to have any actual hard evidence;
    2. Why this is news, given that even if it is true it doesn't really affect the public; or
    3. Why someone would brief this? Presuming it is No 10 saying this, it just makes Cummings look powerful even after he is kicked out and draws attention to in-fighting within the government. It's almost like Cummings should have leaked this story, except apparently he hasn't?

    Also, how and why would Cummings have copies of Johnson's text messages from several months ago? Is that a thing that colleagues, even in a PM/Chief of Staff situation, tend to share in a verifiable, storable, format?
    Didn’t he visit some top secret military sites in the UK recently / achieve the highest level of security? That alone worries me...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,201

    tlg86 said:

    Cameron back on the front pages. Apparently he lobbied the BoE too.

    I am getting the feeling I am the only person who hasn't been lobbied by him....I don't know if I should count myself lucky or be offended that I am considered a total nobody.
    Is this (In a roundabout way) why Osborne had 50 million "jobs" ?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,706
    Putting countries on the red list seems to have an unerring ability to do the opposite of what is hoped, for by immediately encouraging a bunch of people to get back ASAP to beat deadlines.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    edited April 2021

    .

    Husband of Allegra Stratton suggesting the Government might have found a solution to social care here:

    "The best solution, however, may be to require the over-40s to buy compulsory social care insurance. The premiums could be deducted directly from their monthly salaries in the same way that student loan repayments are taken off young graduates’ wages."

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-the-tories-can-solve-their-youth-problem-7lsx5zc53

    LOL I think we said a year or two ago something like this would be introduced when we turn 40.

    Tuition fees introduced when we become students. Now care insurance introduced when we turn 40.

    No doubt when Millenials come around to retirement then it will be a case of abolishing pensions.
    I have been working on the principle that this will be the case for when I get to be an oldie.
    I've been working on the principle that I will die on the job. A financial adviser agreed with me it was likely. Tough break for office work.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    tlg86 said:

    Cameron back on the front pages. Apparently he lobbied the BoE too.

    Well he certainly put in sufficient effort for his employers, though it seems to not great effect.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Cameron back on the front pages. Apparently he lobbied the BoE too.

    Well he certainly put in sufficient effort for his employers, though it seems to not great effect.
    And we all thought the lazy bastard had just spent the past few years stuck in his fancy shed writing that crap.book.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,030

    Putting countries on the red list seems to have an unerring ability to do the opposite of what is hoped, for by immediately encouraging a bunch of people to get back ASAP to beat deadlines.

    Well it does when you give them 5 days notice.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    tlg86 said:


    Neil Henderson
    @hendopolis
    TELEGRAPH: Cummings accused of leaking No10 texts #TomorrowsPapersToday

    Ka fucking boom!
    Seems a bit weak for a proper boom. As others have said everyone already seems to have known he leaked plenty of things, and probably a lot of recent stuff. Mild boom perhaps that the relationship has broken down to the point accusations are made openly, which might presage some retalitatory further leaks which will amuse, but presumably Dom will save the big stuff, not worth burning bridges completely.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,706

    Putting countries on the red list seems to have an unerring ability to do the opposite of what is hoped, for by immediately encouraging a bunch of people to get back ASAP to beat deadlines.

    Well it does when you give them 5 days notice.
    Indeed, that's what I mean. Just put it straight on, no advance warning.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    Apologies if we have done this.
    But is a graduate of RADA expelled from Harrow, (albeit born in Leeds) a good fit for a Red Wall seat?
    Or do you stop being a poncey luvvie the more right wing you are?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,201
    It's fucking ridiculous that those of us ~ 40 will have to pay this "social care" shit when people who are over 65 haven't paid the NI contributions on income that will inevitably come in when we get there.
    Double whammy for millenials.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    Did I just wake up and Lawrence Fox was being spoken of as a potential MP. Which Universe am I in?

    Dunno. We debated multiverses a couple of weeks ago on PB one evening, but i can't remember the answer.
    The answers, surely?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,585
    "Vaccine uptake among over-50s hits 95% in England"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56849874
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,710
    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Cameron back on the front pages. Apparently he lobbied the BoE too.

    Well he certainly put in sufficient effort for his employers, though it seems to not great effect.
    We may not have heard of his successes, just his failures.

    Nice 3 nil tonight for the lads. Even Big Sam cannot save WBA now...
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Did I just wake up and Lawrence Fox was being spoken of as a potential MP. Which Universe am I in?

    Dunno. We debated multiverses a couple of weeks ago on PB one evening, but i can't remember the answer.
    The answers, surely?
    And I mentioned the TV show Devs this morning, which also features multiverses
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,710
    Pulpstar said:

    It's fucking ridiculous that those of us ~ 40 will have to pay this "social care" shit when people who are over 65 haven't paid the NI contributions on income that will inevitably come in when we get there.
    Double whammy for millenials.

    Yep, also unfair on those who look after their own elderly, often giving up work or going part time to do so.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,612
    Pulpstar said:

    It's fucking ridiculous that those of us ~ 40 will have to pay this "social care" shit when people who are over 65 haven't paid the NI contributions on income that will inevitably come in when we get there.
    Double whammy for millenials.

    NI on over 65s should have been introduced when compulsory retirement stopped being enforceable.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,710

    Pulpstar said:

    It's fucking ridiculous that those of us ~ 40 will have to pay this "social care" shit when people who are over 65 haven't paid the NI contributions on income that will inevitably come in when we get there.
    Double whammy for millenials.

    NI on over 65s should have been introduced when compulsory retirement stopped being enforceable.
    I think it is on State pension age, not age 65. I stop paying at age 67.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Pulpstar said:

    It's fucking ridiculous that those of us ~ 40 will have to pay this "social care" shit when people who are over 65 haven't paid the NI contributions on income that will inevitably come in when we get there.
    Double whammy for millenials.

    If we are going to have a 'social care' levy then it should be applied to all incomes ie on the same basis as income tax so including pensions, investment income etc - say an extra 2%. This would be fairer to workers.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1385346515649114112

    Finally, some big picture thinking from Labour

    Seems remarkably short of any actual ideas or proposals. Just "create 400,000 jobs".

    Create jobs by doing what exactly? 🤔
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,710

    Pulpstar said:

    It's fucking ridiculous that those of us ~ 40 will have to pay this "social care" shit when people who are over 65 haven't paid the NI contributions on income that will inevitably come in when we get there.
    Double whammy for millenials.

    If we are going to have a 'social care' levy then it should be applied to all incomes ie on the same basis as income tax so including pensions, investment income etc - say an extra 2%. This would be fairer to workers.
    Other insurance payments are independent of means. Income isn't a question that I am asked when insuring my car, holiday or health.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,100
    edited April 2021
    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Cameron back on the front pages. Apparently he lobbied the BoE too.

    Well he certainly put in sufficient effort for his employers, though it seems to not great effect.
    In all this the treasury and BOE rejected his advances and I just do not understand why Jon Craig and Beth Rugby at Sky are so exercised by all this other than it is gotcha journalism without the gotcha

    And no report on Liam Byrne being reported to IPSA for 'gross misuse of parliamentary expenses'

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1385327561731883015?s=19
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    National insurance includes Pension contributions, pensions over 67s have already paid for. We need a new NI category for pensioners calculated to contribute to Care and Health, but not pensions or unemployment benefits. This does not seem unreasonable.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited April 2021

    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Cameron back on the front pages. Apparently he lobbied the BoE too.

    Well he certainly put in sufficient effort for his employers, though it seems to not great effect.
    In all this the treasury and BOE rejected his advances and I just do not understand why Jon Craig and Beth Rugby at Sky are so exercised by all this other than it is gotcha journalism without the gotcha

    And no report on Liam Byrne being reported to IPSA for 'gross misuse of parliamentary expenses'

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1385327561731883015?s=19
    Your shocked by death rigby's takes......Sky News these says is just gotcha journalism....see Salmond interview, where half of it was reading tweets from years ago from random candidates. I am not fan of Salmond, but I don't give a crap that somebody called somebody else a fat cow, I want to hear what Salmond is proposing.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Fenman said:

    National insurance includes Pension contributions, pensions over 67s have already paid for. We need a new NI category for pensioners calculated to contribute to Care and Health, but not pensions or unemployment benefits. This does not seem unreasonable.

    Nothing has been already paid for, everything is pay as you go.

    NI should be merged with Income Tax and applied as a flat rate without exemptions for age, self-employment or anything else.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Scott_xP said:

    The Treasury has decided NOT to publish Cameron’s texts to Rishi Sunak or Tom Scholar (top HMT civil servant) on Greensill.

    They argue Cameron had an ‘expectation of confidence’ so texts are outside of FOI rules. The public instead get below’s blacked out box. https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1385313152754241539/photo/1

    This was known some time ago - when Rishi volunteered his texts
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,059
    Well the last flight from India has arrived:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56848006
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited April 2021

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1385346515649114112

    Finally, some big picture thinking from Labour

    Seems remarkably short of any actual ideas or proposals. Just "create 400,000 jobs".

    Create jobs by doing what exactly? 🤔
    It probably the same document as the one created by Mandy 10 year ago...where shoe makers and petrol pump attendants were classed as green jobs.

    Labour has been accused of misleading voters over its pledge to create 400,000 "green jobs" by 2015 after the government's own figures last month slashed growth forecasts for the sector, making the target almost impossible to achieve

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/apr/25/green-jobs-low-carbon-economy-labour-manifesto
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    kle4 said:

    For some reason when I saw the headline about important breaking news about the London mayoralty I assumed it was going to be about Brian Rose and urine.

    But there's some solid deadpan sass nevertheless.

    I saw that earlier and nearly barfed.

    I wasn't going to inflict that on PBers, I do have some decorum, believe it or not.
    I've arrived late to this story. Does it involve PVC and rubber hoses?
    No, you don't want to know, even I'm puking at such depravity.
    It’s how you survive if you get lost in the jungle. Urine is about 95% water.
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047

    Fenman said:

    National insurance includes Pension contributions, pensions over 67s have already paid for. We need a new NI category for pensioners calculated to contribute to Care and Health, but not pensions or unemployment benefits. This does not seem unreasonable.

    Nothing has been already paid for, everything is pay as you go.

    NI should be merged with Income Tax and applied as a flat rate without exemptions for age, self-employment or anything else.
    Great way for someone to lose an election. Forty plus years of political campaigning has taught me that people expect taxation to be fair.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited April 2021

    https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1385346515649114112

    Finally, some big picture thinking from Labour

    Seems remarkably short of any actual ideas or proposals. Just "create 400,000 jobs".

    Create jobs by doing what exactly? 🤔
    It probably the same document as the one created by Mandy 10 year ago...where shoe makers and petrol pump attendants were classed as green jobs.

    Labour has been accused of misleading voters over its pledge to create 400,000 "green jobs" by 2015 after the government's own figures last month slashed growth forecasts for the sector, making the target almost impossible to achieve

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/apr/25/green-jobs-low-carbon-economy-labour-manifesto
    Great spot. Looks like they've mastered one green policy though - recycling waste products from a decade ago and still getting use out of them today.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,710
    Charles said:

    kle4 said:

    For some reason when I saw the headline about important breaking news about the London mayoralty I assumed it was going to be about Brian Rose and urine.

    But there's some solid deadpan sass nevertheless.

    I saw that earlier and nearly barfed.

    I wasn't going to inflict that on PBers, I do have some decorum, believe it or not.
    I've arrived late to this story. Does it involve PVC and rubber hoses?
    No, you don't want to know, even I'm puking at such depravity.
    It’s how you survive if you get lost in the jungle. Urine is about 95% water.
    Not a good idea.

    If you are dehydrated, urine will be more concentrated than plasma and worsen your osmotic stress.

    Urine can be safely drunk if you are very well hydrated as it will be very dilute. Though why would you want to?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,851
    Not much discussion about Putin's grand old duke of York actions apparently inspired by supposedly senile old Joe threatening to send missiles to Ukraine.

    Am I alone in being concerned that the world is in such hands? But perhaps Biden has got it right.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,710
    Foxy said:

    Charles said:

    kle4 said:

    For some reason when I saw the headline about important breaking news about the London mayoralty I assumed it was going to be about Brian Rose and urine.

    But there's some solid deadpan sass nevertheless.

    I saw that earlier and nearly barfed.

    I wasn't going to inflict that on PBers, I do have some decorum, believe it or not.
    I've arrived late to this story. Does it involve PVC and rubber hoses?
    No, you don't want to know, even I'm puking at such depravity.
    It’s how you survive if you get lost in the jungle. Urine is about 95% water.
    Not a good idea.

    If you are dehydrated, urine will be more concentrated than plasma and worsen your osmotic stress.

    Urine can be safely drunk if you are very well hydrated as it will be very dilute. Though why would you want to?
    If needing water when in a hot place, then create a desert still:

    https://www.desertusa.com/desert-people/water-solar-still.html
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    kle4 said:

    tlg86 said:


    Neil Henderson
    @hendopolis
    TELEGRAPH: Cummings accused of leaking No10 texts #TomorrowsPapersToday

    Ka fucking boom!
    Seems a bit weak for a proper boom. As others have said everyone already seems to have known he leaked plenty of things, and probably a lot of recent stuff. Mild boom perhaps that the relationship has broken down to the point accusations are made openly, which might presage some retalitatory further leaks which will amuse, but presumably Dom will save the big stuff, not worth burning bridges completely.
    I for one am shocked that one of Gove's agents (lets not forget that Cummings and Gove go way back) would knife Boris in the back. Completely unexpected and without precedent.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Fenman said:

    Fenman said:

    National insurance includes Pension contributions, pensions over 67s have already paid for. We need a new NI category for pensioners calculated to contribute to Care and Health, but not pensions or unemployment benefits. This does not seem unreasonable.

    Nothing has been already paid for, everything is pay as you go.

    NI should be merged with Income Tax and applied as a flat rate without exemptions for age, self-employment or anything else.
    Great way for someone to lose an election. Forty plus years of political campaigning has taught me that people expect taxation to be fair.
    But taxation isn't fair at the moment. Getting rid of the exemptions would make it fairer.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,542
    Fenman said:

    Fenman said:

    National insurance includes Pension contributions, pensions over 67s have already paid for. We need a new NI category for pensioners calculated to contribute to Care and Health, but not pensions or unemployment benefits. This does not seem unreasonable.

    Nothing has been already paid for, everything is pay as you go.

    NI should be merged with Income Tax and applied as a flat rate without exemptions for age, self-employment or anything else.
    Great way for someone to lose an election. Forty plus years of political campaigning has taught me that people expect taxation to be fair.
    Funny, I would have thought that merging tax and NI and removing exemptions for age, self employment etc is making the tax system fairer. Why is it fair that someone can still work full time and yet pay no NI just because they are over 65 whilst someone a few years younger is doing the same job and earning the same money but paying a huge extra packet of tax to the exchequer because he is younger?

    The Norwegian tax system - which I am sure most people would agree is the basis of a [pretty progressive society under your terms is massively simpler than the UKs and as such has far fewer loopholes which to my mind makes it fairer.
  • gealbhangealbhan Posts: 2,362
    eek said:

    I think it’s the Cummings leak story -

    🚨 | BREAKING: Downing Street has accused Dominic Cummings of leaking the PM’s texts

    Meh. I don't see how that's news.

    Cummings has been doing leaking since Day One.
    And if the Dyson story is the best he's got left Boris has little to worry about.
    That’s not how it’s done though. Get attention, then throw the meat.

    It feels like something big is about to blow. Governments never get an easy ride for long, a crap storm just as people are voting tends to be the norm.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It's fucking ridiculous that those of us ~ 40 will have to pay this "social care" shit when people who are over 65 haven't paid the NI contributions on income that will inevitably come in when we get there.
    Double whammy for millenials.

    If we are going to have a 'social care' levy then it should be applied to all incomes ie on the same basis as income tax so including pensions, investment income etc - say an extra 2%. This would be fairer to workers.
    Other insurance payments are independent of means. Income isn't a question that I am asked when insuring my car, holiday or health.
    Ok - just call it an extra 2% on income tax then. I know we don't hypothecate taxes but it would provide extra money to deal with social care. And also we should tax inheritance properly too. Inheritances are unearned by the recipients.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Jeezus fecking christ Merkel

    https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1385339738132000769

    "I am still stunned at this. India is in the middle of a humanitarian catastrophe and all Merkel has to say is she is worried whether Indian pharmaceutical products “will still come to us”? "
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,542
    Fenman said:

    National insurance includes Pension contributions, pensions over 67s have already paid for. We need a new NI category for pensioners calculated to contribute to Care and Health, but not pensions or unemployment benefits. This does not seem unreasonable.

    The deal as outlined in the 1940s was never that you were paying for your own state pension. You were paying for the pensions of those already retired and hoping that when it was your turn to retire the system would still be in place for those paying NI at that point to pay for you.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,257

    Pulpstar said:

    It's fucking ridiculous that those of us ~ 40 will have to pay this "social care" shit when people who are over 65 haven't paid the NI contributions on income that will inevitably come in when we get there.
    Double whammy for millenials.

    NI on over 65s should have been introduced when compulsory retirement stopped being enforceable.
    And that's the reason you stop paying. Your pension no longer increases, in fact it goes into payment (or can be deferred) and you stop qualifying for JSA and ESA
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    When I saw the headline, I thought for a moment it might be something to do with the real world, rather than two loonies embracing each other.
  • gealbhan said:

    eek said:

    I think it’s the Cummings leak story -

    🚨 | BREAKING: Downing Street has accused Dominic Cummings of leaking the PM’s texts

    Meh. I don't see how that's news.

    Cummings has been doing leaking since Day One.
    And if the Dyson story is the best he's got left Boris has little to worry about.
    That’s not how it’s done though. Get attention, then throw the meat.

    It feels like something big is about to blow. Governments never get an easy ride for long, a crap storm just as people are voting tends to be the norm.
    My wife and I have already returned our postal votes
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,920
    Endillion said:

    kle4 said:

    The reason why Fox / Reform / Reclaim aren't making any headway is because Johnson has stolen their clothes.

    If, rather than being anti-woke, this administration pursued social-policy along the lines Cameron did then they'd be up to 10-12% in the polls.

    Isn't the main reason because Farage was banking on anti-lockdown sentiment driving support from disaffected Conservatives, and most people support harsh lockdown measures and those that don't are fractured into a dozen squabbling factions? And that while lots of people dislike what might be called excessive or pushy wokery, that is not something you can build a mass movement around? (like how green issues is not enough, as any party can go green, so Greens also go red)
    Interestingly, it's the Lib Dems who've been most able to capitalise on the anti-lockdown sentiment.
    It is just about possible that Ed Davey actually knows the meaning of the word "liberal".

    That would come as a nasty shock to their hordes (OK not "hordes", more like "both") of their remaining voters, who think they're supposed to be basically Labour-lite.
    Short memories, have they? LibDems were in coalition with the Conservatives less than a decade ago.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,098
    edited April 2021
    tlg86 said:

    Floater said:
    Could this do for Modi?
    Unlikely, the Indian Covid death rate of 134 per million is still well below the global average Covid death rate of 395 per million, yet alone our Covid death rate of 1,868 per milllion

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdUOA?Si

  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    Incidentally, I was delighted to discover that there was a candidate in the mayoral election whose main policy was to do away with professional politicians altogether, and bring in sortition. Utlra vires I suppose, but still heartening.
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