Well well, this is quite a significant correction. Three months' worth of independence polling from Savanta/ComRes came out unweighted instead of weighted. Actual support for independence was lower than quoted
Dec 2020 was reported as 52% pro-independence, but was actually 49%. Jan 2021 reported as 51%, actually 47%. Feb 2021 reported as 47%, actually 43%. These are narrative-changing differences.
Yep, those pushing the 'narrative' of the wheels have come off the indy juggernaut and support for indy takes massive drop during the Salmond enquiry must feel a bit embarrassed. They may of course also feel embarrassed for other reasons.
LoL. 5/5 for effort but the content....
I can only reproduce one of my favorite memes of a Yoon and his faulty Nat killer dumb dumb bullet, I'd Photoshop on a Justice for Salmond t shirt if I could be arsed. It would be unkind of me to suggest that this time the bullet actually went off at just the wrong moment...
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
Except this isnt true. Though access is important and Boris should be more wary about getting involved. Dyson got a standard response from the Chancellor. The PPE supplier got sent to the dept health website and @excludeduk need to think more carefully about low balling their tax declarations to hmrc in future if they expect money back.
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I develop software - if I need something done quickly I either pick the real expert if he is available as he knows the internals and can do it in hours or someone else who would take days.
If you need something done quickly because other things depend on X you get the real expert to do it and you move other projects to make him available.
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
That was the Manhattan Project of our time.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I develop software - if I need something done quickly I either pick the real expert if he is available as he knows the internals and can do it in hours or someone else who would take days.
If you need something done quickly because other things depend on X you get the real expert to do it and you move other projects to make him available.
Nobody in Dyson is a "real expert at manufacturing ventilators" because they don't make ventilators.
Not very. Estimate was low and putting in my neighbours with different house types did not produce a different figure. It is just the average price for the postcode.
Mine was bought a couple of years ago and increased by about £30k according to this.
I wouldn't spend it just yet...
I did regret buying it a little, i felt i was buying it at the top of the market... But apparently not.
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I develop software - if I need something done quickly I either pick the real expert if he is available as he knows the internals and can do it in hours or someone else who would take days.
If you need something done quickly because other things depend on X you get the real expert to do it and you move other projects to make him available.
Nobody in Dyson is a "real expert at manufacturing ventilators" because they don't make ventilators.
Nope but there will be the go to person for X and the go to person for Y. And when you want things done NOW you want those people working together.
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
That was the Manhattan Project of our time.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
If anything it was the German equivalent because it failed miserably. Great showing for Boris's mates.
The fact is you still haven't shown that these specialist "named people" would have refused to help if there was no tax exemption.
Therefore you still haven't shown the tax exemption was required. You've merely demonstrated why they have may preferred it — of course they would have preferred it, who wouldn't?
You need a QC but you don't need a named specific QC. All are more than qualified for the job.
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I develop software - if I need something done quickly I either pick the real expert if he is available as he knows the internals and can do it in hours or someone else who would take days.
If you need something done quickly because other things depend on X you get the real expert to do it and you move other projects to make him available.
Nobody in Dyson is a "real expert at manufacturing ventilators" because they don't make ventilators.
Nope but there will be the go to person for X and the go to person for Y. And when you want things done NOW you want those people working together.
If Dyson had 5 expert manufacturing engineers and 4 were willing to go regardless and 1 selfish b*stard refused, you would just send the 4.
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
That was the Manhattan Project of our time.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
If anything it was the German equivalent because it failed miserably. Great showing for Boris's mates.
The fact is you still haven't shown that these specialist "named people" would have refused to help if there was no tax exemption.
Therefore you still haven't shown the tax exemption was required. You've merely demonstrated why they have may preferred it — of course they would have preferred it, who wouldn't?
You need a QC but you don't need a named specific QC. All are more than qualified for the job.
It didn't fail miserably. Mercedes and others succeeded. Mission accomplished.
That was the point, like the vaccine taskforce backing half a dozen vaccines. You don't back one, you back any that might succeed in the hope you get one that does.
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
That was the Manhattan Project of our time.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
If anything it was the German equivalent because it failed miserably. Great showing for Boris's mates.
The fact is you still haven't shown that these specialist "named people" would have refused to help if there was no tax exemption.
Therefore you still haven't shown the tax exemption was required. You've merely demonstrated why they have may preferred it — of course they would have preferred it, who wouldn't?
You need a QC but you don't need a named specific QC. All are more than qualified for the job.
It didn't fail miserably. Mercedes and others succeeded. Mission accomplished.
That was the point, like the vaccine taskforce backing half a dozen vaccines. You don't back one, you back any that might succeed in the hope you get one that does.
You still haven't shown the tax exemption was necessary so you've still conceded my point.
Until shown otherwise, it was simply a favour to a mate.
Interesting the mail comments are universally negative. I think the govt may have more latitude to act on the housing bubble than they think they do.
Around here houses are getting bought as soon as theyre put on the market. We are northern small to medium northern area. Myself and my other half briefly discussed selling but finding somewhere we like would also be very difficult.
Furthermore if Dyson hadn't abandoned Britain and British workers and moved their HQ to Singapore, this wouldn't even be an issue.
Believe in Britain my arse.
Dyson moved the manufacturing out of the UK, after permission to extend his site in..... Malmesbury in Wiltshire was refused. He kept other jobs here.
The problem was that the site, as is, was literally too small to expand production.
The refusal was a campaign by the middle/upper class incomers to the neighbourhood, who wanted to prevent *any* development in the area. Since they dominated the council and local politics they got their way.....
I'm not sure what point you're making. Of course the only alternative to manufacturing in Malmesbury, Wiltshire is Singapore.
Believe in Britain.
If you have to start completely afresh (as Dyson was forced to do) - the UK may not be the best place to build a factory.
NIMBYism has consequences - as the saying goes be careful what you wish for - the outcome may not be what you expect.
Yes, I know that.
But that doesn't mean he isn't a hypocrite. He's supposed to be a patriot, so why wouldn't he choose to enrich Britain and her population, at a bit more cost to himself, rather than Singapore?
Because he looked at where his sales were coming from and growing and Singapore made more sense.
Boris sold everyone Global Britain - manufacturing outside Britain is one possible consequence of that.
I know that, but it isn't patriotism. It isn't what the red wall want. They want jobs here in Britain, and they don't want to pay MORE tax because of James Dyson.
You're losing your mind over pre-existing hate unrelated to what is going on here.
Nobody at all has to pay MORE tax because of James Dyson, as a result of this.
Of course they do.
Boris changes the rules so that less money would flow into the treasury. Less money means more tax.
I'm angry about hypocrisy. It's all very well flying the flag for Britain but it's not okay doing the exact opposite in private.
Less money won't flow into the Treasury as the engineers weren't in the UK and may not have come to the UK without this reform.
So all you'd have had is the worlds best and brightest not already located in the UK during a pandemic going to other nations that would welcome them, and fewer people coming here trying to save lives here. Not a penny of extra tax generated. Way to cut off your nose to spite your face.
You are betraying pure Corbynista hatred and jealousy.
Best and brightest , what a hoot , not much to designing a vacuum cleaner, a few tubes and a motor and stick them together.
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
That was the Manhattan Project of our time.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
If anything it was the German equivalent because it failed miserably. Great showing for Boris's mates.
The fact is you still haven't shown that these specialist "named people" would have refused to help if there was no tax exemption.
Therefore you still haven't shown the tax exemption was required. You've merely demonstrated why they have may preferred it — of course they would have preferred it, who wouldn't?
You need a QC but you don't need a named specific QC. All are more than qualified for the job.
It didn't fail miserably. Mercedes and others succeeded. Mission accomplished.
That was the point, like the vaccine taskforce backing half a dozen vaccines. You don't back one, you back any that might succeed in the hope you get one that does.
You still haven't shown the tax exemption was necessary so you've still conceded my point.
Until shown otherwise, it was simply a favour to a mate.
It was necessary, the engineers who didn't live in the country needed it to not have a windfall tax placed on them purely for working on a not-for-profit emergency the government was begging them to work on.
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
That was the Manhattan Project of our time.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
If anything it was the German equivalent because it failed miserably. Great showing for Boris's mates.
The fact is you still haven't shown that these specialist "named people" would have refused to help if there was no tax exemption.
Therefore you still haven't shown the tax exemption was required. You've merely demonstrated why they have may preferred it — of course they would have preferred it, who wouldn't?
You need a QC but you don't need a named specific QC. All are more than qualified for the job.
It didn't fail miserably. Mercedes and others succeeded. Mission accomplished.
That was the point, like the vaccine taskforce backing half a dozen vaccines. You don't back one, you back any that might succeed in the hope you get one that does.
You still haven't shown the tax exemption was necessary so you've still conceded my point.
Until shown otherwise, it was simply a favour to a mate.
It was necessary, the engineers who didn't live in the country needed it to not have a windfall tax placed on them purely for working on a not-for-profit emergency the government was begging them to work on.
No. It was only "necessary" if they would not have come otherwise.
If they would have come regardless of the tax implications, then it was by definition "not necessary".
Wouldn't 2,000 deaths a day be barely more than a rounding error for a nation the size of india it has 20x the population of the uk? (i understand the future risk of course, 2,000 can turn into 4,000 etc)
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
That was the Manhattan Project of our time.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
If anything it was the German equivalent because it failed miserably. Great showing for Boris's mates.
The fact is you still haven't shown that these specialist "named people" would have refused to help if there was no tax exemption.
Therefore you still haven't shown the tax exemption was required. You've merely demonstrated why they have may preferred it — of course they would have preferred it, who wouldn't?
You need a QC but you don't need a named specific QC. All are more than qualified for the job.
It didn't fail miserably. Mercedes and others succeeded. Mission accomplished.
That was the point, like the vaccine taskforce backing half a dozen vaccines. You don't back one, you back any that might succeed in the hope you get one that does.
You still haven't shown the tax exemption was necessary so you've still conceded my point.
Until shown otherwise, it was simply a favour to a mate.
It was necessary, the engineers who didn't live in the country needed it to not have a windfall tax placed on them purely for working on a not-for-profit emergency the government was begging them to work on.
No. It was only "necessary" if they would not have come otherwise.
If they would have come regardless of the tax implications, then it was by definition "not necessary".
It is at that point, simply a courtesy.
Do you have any proof they would have come regardless?
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
That was the Manhattan Project of our time.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
If anything it was the German equivalent because it failed miserably. Great showing for Boris's mates.
The fact is you still haven't shown that these specialist "named people" would have refused to help if there was no tax exemption.
Therefore you still haven't shown the tax exemption was required. You've merely demonstrated why they have may preferred it — of course they would have preferred it, who wouldn't?
You need a QC but you don't need a named specific QC. All are more than qualified for the job.
It didn't fail miserably. Mercedes and others succeeded. Mission accomplished.
That was the point, like the vaccine taskforce backing half a dozen vaccines. You don't back one, you back any that might succeed in the hope you get one that does.
Give it a few months and the usual suspects will be attacking the vaccine programme on the grounds of cost, over-ordering, wasted vaccines, cronyism etc. The tens of thousands of lives saved won't be mentioned.
Except this isnt true. Though access is important and Boris should be more wary about getting involved. Dyson got a standard response from the Chancellor. The PPE supplier got sent to the dept health website and @excludeduk need to think more carefully about low balling their tax declarations to hmrc in future if they expect money back.
What I took from it, Dyson would not take the First Lord Of Treasury on his word, he wanted what he was verbally promised in writing.
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
That was the Manhattan Project of our time.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
If anything it was the German equivalent because it failed miserably. Great showing for Boris's mates.
The fact is you still haven't shown that these specialist "named people" would have refused to help if there was no tax exemption.
Therefore you still haven't shown the tax exemption was required. You've merely demonstrated why they have may preferred it — of course they would have preferred it, who wouldn't?
You need a QC but you don't need a named specific QC. All are more than qualified for the job.
It didn't fail miserably. Mercedes and others succeeded. Mission accomplished.
That was the point, like the vaccine taskforce backing half a dozen vaccines. You don't back one, you back any that might succeed in the hope you get one that does.
Give it a few months and the usual suspects will be attacking the vaccine programme on the grounds of cost, over-ordering, wasted vaccines, cronyism etc. The tens of thousands of lives saved won't be mentioned.
Naughty, you've declined to decline Societas Britannica into the necessary objective genitive: Malleus Societatis Britannicae.
Surely Confederationis?
We had a bit of a discussion about this yesterday: foederatio / confoederatio are both distinctly late Latin, whereas societas is perfectly classical and carries the right kind of political connotation; I could also have added one of the rarer senses of concilium. Remember the Social War.
For those of a more polemical Scottish Nationalist mindset, simple imperium would also have been quite idiomatic...
There is a potential dissertation in the question whether they just lacked the word or lacked the concept. It is notable that "Delian league" and "Latin league" are both modern coinages with no.ancient equivalent. Peaceful and ostensibly equal mergers were few and far between.
That's a good point. As far as the classical period is concerned, I suspect that experience of the practical difficulty in organizing a long-lasting political partnership of equals was at least part of the reason for the conceptual and thus linguistic drought: if even in the best case the most powerful unit was always going to claim the hegemony over its allies, then that reality can only be glossed over so far, though you can find attempts on the part of the lesser entities to try to retain a degree of self-rule, in fact or at least in name, unless and until they were actually forced to surrender it. Thucydides allows that the Athenian alliance at least started off under conditions of autonomy and collective participation in decision-making before the lesser members were fully subordinated. The long journey of the Italian Socii from individual alliances to full integration in the Roman political system by the end of the Republic was even more complete.
Of course, when it comes to our Union, its detractors would claim that England is nothing more than an imperial master, and the other nations its vassals. Hence the coming Social Wars of the late 2020s, under the command of Hyufidius Posterus Maximus...
Interesting the mail comments are universally negative. I think the govt may have more latitude to act on the housing bubble than they think they do.
In outer London people are rushing to pay £50-100k extra on a house simply to avoid paying £15k stamp duty. It is crazy. They don't mind how much they pay as in their minds property always goes up.
Flats are still down on pre covid levels, especially in central London, but not falling anymore.
🚨🏴 | NEW: Nicola Sturgeon says that Scotland didn’t need Westminster’s help with Covid vaccines, and that an independent Scotland would’ve had just as good a rollout
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
That was the Manhattan Project of our time.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
If anything it was the German equivalent because it failed miserably. Great showing for Boris's mates.
The fact is you still haven't shown that these specialist "named people" would have refused to help if there was no tax exemption.
Therefore you still haven't shown the tax exemption was required. You've merely demonstrated why they have may preferred it — of course they would have preferred it, who wouldn't?
You need a QC but you don't need a named specific QC. All are more than qualified for the job.
It didn't fail miserably. Mercedes and others succeeded. Mission accomplished.
That was the point, like the vaccine taskforce backing half a dozen vaccines. You don't back one, you back any that might succeed in the hope you get one that does.
You still haven't shown the tax exemption was necessary so you've still conceded my point.
Until shown otherwise, it was simply a favour to a mate.
It was necessary, the engineers who didn't live in the country needed it to not have a windfall tax placed on them purely for working on a not-for-profit emergency the government was begging them to work on.
No. It was only "necessary" if they would not have come otherwise.
If they would have come regardless of the tax implications, then it was by definition "not necessary".
It is at that point, simply a courtesy.
Do you have any proof they would have come regardless?
Otherwise its a nonsense.
You're the one asserting that they wouldn't have come!
I've been asking for evidence of that all morning.
Holy fuck. Most frightening single article i have read in the past 12 months.
The rate of ICU patients in Nagpur at 353 per million is higher than it was anywhere in Europe during the pandemic. Mumbai, the financial capital, has 194 ICU patients per million.
...
A Financial Times analysis also points to under-reporting of deaths. Local news reports for seven districts across the states of Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Bihar show that while at least 1,833 people are known to have died of Covid-19 in recent days, based mainly on cremations, only 228 have been officially reported.
...
“The condition is so horrible that so many people are dying on the street, in their houses, before they can see a doctor or even have a test."
Except this isnt true. Though access is important and Boris should be more wary about getting involved. Dyson got a standard response from the Chancellor. The PPE supplier got sent to the dept health website and @excludeduk need to think more carefully about low balling their tax declarations to hmrc in future if they expect money back.
What I took from it, Dyson would not take the First Lord Of Treasury on his word, he wanted what he was verbally promised in writing.
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
That was the Manhattan Project of our time.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
If anything it was the German equivalent because it failed miserably. Great showing for Boris's mates.
The fact is you still haven't shown that these specialist "named people" would have refused to help if there was no tax exemption.
Therefore you still haven't shown the tax exemption was required. You've merely demonstrated why they have may preferred it — of course they would have preferred it, who wouldn't?
You need a QC but you don't need a named specific QC. All are more than qualified for the job.
It didn't fail miserably. Mercedes and others succeeded. Mission accomplished.
That was the point, like the vaccine taskforce backing half a dozen vaccines. You don't back one, you back any that might succeed in the hope you get one that does.
Give it a few months and the usual suspects will be attacking the vaccine programme on the grounds of cost, over-ordering, wasted vaccines, cronyism etc. The tens of thousands of lives saved won't be mentioned.
Oh do give it a rest. If we had poured a significant amount of taxpayers money into a vaccine manufactured by one of Boris's mates, with no record in the area, off the back of a text message that turned out didn't work, then maybe there would be an argument.
Otherwise they are not comparable in the slightest.
Holy fuck. Most frightening single article i have read in the past 12 months.
The rate of ICU patients in Nagpur at 353 per million is higher than it was anywhere in Europe during the pandemic. Mumbai, the financial capital, has 194 ICU patients per million.
...
A Financial Times analysis also points to under-reporting of deaths. Local news reports for seven districts across the states of Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Bihar show that while at least 1,833 people are known to have died of Covid-19 in recent days, based mainly on cremations, only 228 have been officially reported.
...
“The condition is so horrible that so many people are dying on the street, in their houses, before they can see a doctor or even have a test."
Oh do give it a rest. If we had poured a significant amount of taxpayers money into a vaccine manufactured by one of Boris's mates, with no record in the area, off the back of a text message that turned out didn't work, then maybe there would be an argument.
Otherwise they are not comparable in the slightest.
Maybe Max can answer but I thought that quite a few companies are now involved in the vaccine programme who hadn't worked on such production before.
Naughty, you've declined to decline Societas Britannica into the necessary objective genitive: Malleus Societatis Britannicae.
Surely Confederationis?
We had a bit of a discussion about this yesterday: foederatio / confoederatio are both distinctly late Latin, whereas societas is perfectly classical and carries the right kind of political connotation; I could also have added one of the rarer senses of concilium. Remember the Social War.
For those of a more polemical Scottish Nationalist mindset, simple imperium would also have been quite idiomatic...
There is a potential dissertation in the question whether they just lacked the word or lacked the concept. It is notable that "Delian league" and "Latin league" are both modern coinages with no.ancient equivalent. Peaceful and ostensibly equal mergers were few and far between.
That's a good point. As far as the classical period is concerned, I suspect that experience of the practical difficulty in organizing a long-lasting political partnership of equals was at least part of the reason for the conceptual and thus linguistic drought: if even in the best case the most powerful unit was always going to claim the hegemony over its allies, then that reality can only be glossed over so far, though you can find attempts on the part of the lesser entities to try to retain a degree of self-rule, in fact or at least in name, unless and until they were actually forced to surrender it. Thucydides allows that the Athenian alliance at least started off under conditions of autonomy and collective participation in decision-making before the lesser members were fully subordinated. The long journey of the Italian Socii from individual alliances to full integration in the Roman political system by the end of the Republic was even more complete.
Of course, when it comes to our Union, its detractors would claim that England is nothing more than an imperial master, and the other nations its vassals. Hence the coming Social Wars of the late 2020s, under the command of Hyufidius Posterus Maximus...
They should have put the treasury on Lindisfarne in 1707.
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
That was the Manhattan Project of our time.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
If anything it was the German equivalent because it failed miserably. Great showing for Boris's mates.
The fact is you still haven't shown that these specialist "named people" would have refused to help if there was no tax exemption.
Therefore you still haven't shown the tax exemption was required. You've merely demonstrated why they have may preferred it — of course they would have preferred it, who wouldn't?
You need a QC but you don't need a named specific QC. All are more than qualified for the job.
It didn't fail miserably. Mercedes and others succeeded. Mission accomplished.
That was the point, like the vaccine taskforce backing half a dozen vaccines. You don't back one, you back any that might succeed in the hope you get one that does.
You still haven't shown the tax exemption was necessary so you've still conceded my point.
Until shown otherwise, it was simply a favour to a mate.
It was necessary, the engineers who didn't live in the country needed it to not have a windfall tax placed on them purely for working on a not-for-profit emergency the government was begging them to work on.
No. It was only "necessary" if they would not have come otherwise.
If they would have come regardless of the tax implications, then it was by definition "not necessary".
It is at that point, simply a courtesy.
Do you have any proof they would have come regardless?
Otherwise its a nonsense.
You're the one asserting that they wouldn't have come!
I've been asking for evidence of that all morning.
Yes their employer said it was an issue.
I have no reason to think that is a lie. Without any other facts to the contrary, that is a matter of fact.
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
That was the Manhattan Project of our time.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
If anything it was the German equivalent because it failed miserably. Great showing for Boris's mates.
The fact is you still haven't shown that these specialist "named people" would have refused to help if there was no tax exemption.
Therefore you still haven't shown the tax exemption was required. You've merely demonstrated why they have may preferred it — of course they would have preferred it, who wouldn't?
You need a QC but you don't need a named specific QC. All are more than qualified for the job.
It didn't fail miserably. Mercedes and others succeeded. Mission accomplished.
That was the point, like the vaccine taskforce backing half a dozen vaccines. You don't back one, you back any that might succeed in the hope you get one that does.
Give it a few months and the usual suspects will be attacking the vaccine programme on the grounds of cost, over-ordering, wasted vaccines, cronyism etc. The tens of thousands of lives saved won't be mentioned.
Oh do give it a rest. If we had poured a significant amount of taxpayers money into a vaccine manufactured by one of Boris's mates, with no record in the area, off the back of a text message that turned out didn't work, then maybe there would be an argument.
Otherwise they are not comparable in the slightest.
We didn't pour a significant amount of taxpayers money into this, Dyson funded it off his own back.
Well, governments asking for help during a pandemic is all very fine.
So we should extend the practice and ask for help in paying the debts incurred. So all those multi-millionaires can volunteer to give some of their money to help Britain out.
We can probably give them a bauble or two in return or a special lunch in some posh house somewhere with Carrie and Boris, no? Maybe the press room could be repurposed for a cocktail do.
They'll be rushing to help us out, no, what with them being charitable sorts always willing to volunteer, I'm sure.
I find it totally bizarre how to this day we have such terrible signal on train lines. As a state-owned company NR should be forced to allow citing of masts wherever they are needed.
I find it totally bizarre how to this day we have such terrible signal on train lines. As a state-owned company NR should be forced to allow citing of masts wherever they are needed.
I expect that problem will be solved in the next couple of years, with satellite internet.
Up from 388K last week. Could be some 700K days later on this week. As someone in the 40-44 age group waiting for my vaccination I am checking the book a vaccine site daily now in anticipation of it opening up.
Well well, this is quite a significant correction. Three months' worth of independence polling from Savanta/ComRes came out unweighted instead of weighted. Actual support for independence was lower than quoted
Dec 2020 was reported as 52% pro-independence, but was actually 49%. Jan 2021 reported as 51%, actually 47%. Feb 2021 reported as 47%, actually 43%. These are narrative-changing differences.
Holy fuck. Most frightening single article i have read in the past 12 months.
The rate of ICU patients in Nagpur at 353 per million is higher than it was anywhere in Europe during the pandemic. Mumbai, the financial capital, has 194 ICU patients per million.
...
A Financial Times analysis also points to under-reporting of deaths. Local news reports for seven districts across the states of Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Bihar show that while at least 1,833 people are known to have died of Covid-19 in recent days, based mainly on cremations, only 228 have been officially reported.
...
“The condition is so horrible that so many people are dying on the street, in their houses, before they can see a doctor or even have a test."
I find it totally bizarre how to this day we have such terrible signal on train lines. As a state-owned company NR should be forced to allow citing of masts wherever they are needed.
I expect that problem will be solved in the next couple of years, with satellite internet.
How does satellite internet help improve 4G and 5G connectivity? As backhaul yes but to actually provide the signal you need physical infrastructure on the ground.
🚨🏴 | NEW: Nicola Sturgeon says that Scotland didn’t need Westminster’s help with Covid vaccines, and that an independent Scotland would’ve had just as good a rollout
There is lots of useful work being done here but the bottom line is that only the Valneva Livingston plant is actually producing vaccines. We have benefited enormously from the research, investment and contracts entered into by the UK government which have provided the vaccines with which Scots have been vaccinated and Nicola is simply lying. Nothing unusual about that of course.
I find it totally bizarre how to this day we have such terrible signal on train lines. As a state-owned company NR should be forced to allow citing of masts wherever they are needed.
I expect that problem will be solved in the next couple of years, with satellite internet.
Boris changes his ideology according to what he needs to do to win an election, in 2005 he was appealing to rich Londoners to win the 2008 Mayoralty and his constituency was in Henley in the wealthy south which is more rowing and regattas than soccer.
Now his base as Tory leader and PM is white working class football loving Leavers, a lot of whom live in the North of England.
Hence too 2021 Boris is basically a Brexiteer social democrat, while 2005 Boris was a free marketeer who still supported staying in the EU
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
That was the Manhattan Project of our time.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
If anything it was the German equivalent because it failed miserably. Great showing for Boris's mates.
The fact is you still haven't shown that these specialist "named people" would have refused to help if there was no tax exemption.
Therefore you still haven't shown the tax exemption was required. You've merely demonstrated why they have may preferred it — of course they would have preferred it, who wouldn't?
You need a QC but you don't need a named specific QC. All are more than qualified for the job.
It didn't fail miserably. Mercedes and others succeeded. Mission accomplished.
That was the point, like the vaccine taskforce backing half a dozen vaccines. You don't back one, you back any that might succeed in the hope you get one that does.
You still haven't shown the tax exemption was necessary so you've still conceded my point.
Until shown otherwise, it was simply a favour to a mate.
It was necessary, the engineers who didn't live in the country needed it to not have a windfall tax placed on them purely for working on a not-for-profit emergency the government was begging them to work on.
No. It was only "necessary" if they would not have come otherwise.
If they would have come regardless of the tax implications, then it was by definition "not necessary".
It is at that point, simply a courtesy.
Do you have any proof they would have come regardless?
Otherwise its a nonsense.
You're the one asserting that they wouldn't have come!
I've been asking for evidence of that all morning.
Gallowgate, you don't seem to know anything about what's involved with ex-pat taxation. Philip has been very patient in trying to explain it to you. Believe me, ex-pat taxation is an absolute nightmare ... no matter how much an engineer might want to come back to the UK and help get a ventilator production line up and running for Dyson he is not going to want to open himself up to potentially years of tax liability by breaking the 90 rule. And, as for grossing up, Dyson cannot know each employee's personal finances so cannot possibly know how much compensation he might be liable for, not to mention the bureaucracy and cost involved in filing international tax returns for years to come. As has been explained, there is no loss to the treasury because if they didn't grant an exemption the employee wouldn't come.
Dyson asked the right question in his employees' interests and Boris gave the right answer in the country's interests. Anyone criticizing this is either ignorant of the technicalities or willfully misrepresenting the facts.
Holy fuck. Most frightening single article i have read in the past 12 months.
The rate of ICU patients in Nagpur at 353 per million is higher than it was anywhere in Europe during the pandemic. Mumbai, the financial capital, has 194 ICU patients per million.
...
A Financial Times analysis also points to under-reporting of deaths. Local news reports for seven districts across the states of Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Bihar show that while at least 1,833 people are known to have died of Covid-19 in recent days, based mainly on cremations, only 228 have been officially reported.
...
“The condition is so horrible that so many people are dying on the street, in their houses, before they can see a doctor or even have a test."
I find it totally bizarre how to this day we have such terrible signal on train lines. As a state-owned company NR should be forced to allow citing of masts wherever they are needed.
I expect that problem will be solved in the next couple of years, with satellite internet.
How does satellite internet help improve 4G and 5G connectivity? As backhaul yes but to actually provide the signal you need physical infrastructure on the ground.
by signal do you mean phone reception or train wifi?
I find it totally bizarre how to this day we have such terrible signal on train lines. As a state-owned company NR should be forced to allow citing of masts wherever they are needed.
I expect that problem will be solved in the next couple of years, with satellite internet.
How does satellite internet help improve 4G and 5G connectivity? As backhaul yes but to actually provide the signal you need physical infrastructure on the ground.
by signal do you mean phone reception or train wifi?
Phone reception. The fundamental issue is that the windows block the signal, the workaround is track-side masts.
NR can install infrastructure without planning permission, they should be forced to do the same for phone masts. This is essential connectivity that we need.
I find it totally bizarre how to this day we have such terrible signal on train lines. As a state-owned company NR should be forced to allow citing of masts wherever they are needed.
Boris changes his ideology according to what he needs to do to win an election, in 2005 he was appealing to rich Londoners to win the 2008 Mayoralty and his constituency was in Henley in the wealthy south which is more rowing and regattas than soccer.
Now his base as Tory leader and PM is white working class football loving Leavers, a lot of whom live in the North of England.
Hence too 2021 Boris is basically a Brexiteer social democrat, while 2005 Boris was a free marketeer who still supported staying in the EU
He’s a phenomenal political person but he has absolutely no principles whatsoever.
Did any of the other manufacturers require the same tax exemption Dyson asked for?
There's your answer...
Yup.
Not quite -the question should be:-
Did any other manufacturer wish / need to bring particular individuals into the UK and so asked for the same tax exemption?
That actually is the question..
No, the question is, would particular individuals have come to the UK anyway and this was just a favour to a mate, or was it a condition.
That's a very different question which is well beyond my nuanced version of Scott_xP?
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
But this isn't the Manhattan project. You like to throw the "lawyer" card at me but I'm much more experienced at manufacturing than I am at law.
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
That was the Manhattan Project of our time.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
If anything it was the German equivalent because it failed miserably. Great showing for Boris's mates.
The fact is you still haven't shown that these specialist "named people" would have refused to help if there was no tax exemption.
Therefore you still haven't shown the tax exemption was required. You've merely demonstrated why they have may preferred it — of course they would have preferred it, who wouldn't?
You need a QC but you don't need a named specific QC. All are more than qualified for the job.
It didn't fail miserably. Mercedes and others succeeded. Mission accomplished.
That was the point, like the vaccine taskforce backing half a dozen vaccines. You don't back one, you back any that might succeed in the hope you get one that does.
You still haven't shown the tax exemption was necessary so you've still conceded my point.
Until shown otherwise, it was simply a favour to a mate.
It was necessary, the engineers who didn't live in the country needed it to not have a windfall tax placed on them purely for working on a not-for-profit emergency the government was begging them to work on.
No. It was only "necessary" if they would not have come otherwise.
If they would have come regardless of the tax implications, then it was by definition "not necessary".
It is at that point, simply a courtesy.
Do you have any proof they would have come regardless?
Otherwise its a nonsense.
You're the one asserting that they wouldn't have come!
I've been asking for evidence of that all morning.
Gallowgate, you don't seem to know anything about what's involved with ex-pat taxation. Philip has been very patient in trying to explain it to you. Believe me, ex-pat taxation is an absolute nightmare ... no matter how much an engineer might want to come back to the UK and help get a ventilator production line up and running for Dyson he is not going to want to open himself up to potentially years of tax liability by breaking the 90 rule. And, as for grossing up, Dyson cannot know each employee's personal finances so cannot possibly know how much compensation he might be liable for, not to mention the bureaucracy and cost involved in filing international tax returns for years to come. As has been explained, there is no loss to the treasury because if they didn't grant an exemption the employee wouldn't come.
Dyson asked the right question in his employees' interests and Boris gave the right answer in the country's interests. Anyone criticizing this is either ignorant of the technicalities or willfully misrepresenting the facts.
or just wishes to point score while revealing an inability to see a bigger picture.
I find it totally bizarre how to this day we have such terrible signal on train lines. As a state-owned company NR should be forced to allow citing of masts wherever they are needed.
I find it totally bizarre how to this day we have such terrible signal on train lines. As a state-owned company NR should be forced to allow citing of masts wherever they are needed.
Telecoms companies (Code Operators) can already compel the grant of rights where they are needed.
The reason it is not being added to the network must therefore be a bit more complicated.
Up from 388K last week. Could be some 700K days later on this week. As someone in the 40-44 age group waiting for my vaccination I am checking the book a vaccine site daily now in anticipation of it opening up.
Next day or two, I reckon. Being in the bracket above, I know no-one in the 45-50 bracket who hasn't at least got a jab booked (I recognise the dangers of generalising from my own bubble!).
I find it totally bizarre how to this day we have such terrible signal on train lines. As a state-owned company NR should be forced to allow citing of masts wherever they are needed.
Telecoms companies (Code Operators) can already compel the grant of rights where they are needed.
The reason it is not being added to the network must therefore be a bit more complicated.
When I was working at the big red company they had a lot of issues with NR just refusing to allow masts to be sited on their land.
Boris changes his ideology according to what he needs to do to win an election, in 2005 he was appealing to rich Londoners to win the 2008 Mayoralty and his constituency was in Henley in the wealthy south which is more rowing and regattas than soccer.
Now his base as Tory leader and PM is white working class football loving Leavers, a lot of whom live in the North of England.
Hence too 2021 Boris is basically a Brexiteer social democrat, while 2005 Boris was a free marketeer who still supported staying in the EU
He’s a phenomenal political person but he has absolutely no principles whatsoever.
He has always had one main principle, advancing his own career
I find it totally bizarre how to this day we have such terrible signal on train lines. As a state-owned company NR should be forced to allow citing of masts wherever they are needed.
Telecoms companies (Code Operators) can already compel the grant of rights where they are needed.
The reason it is not being added to the network must therefore be a bit more complicated.
When I was working at the big red company they had a lot of issues with NR just refusing to allow masts to be sited on their land.
Boris changes his ideology according to what he needs to do to win an election, in 2005 he was appealing to rich Londoners to win the 2008 Mayoralty and his constituency was in Henley in the wealthy south which is more rowing and regattas than soccer.
Now his base as Tory leader and PM is white working class football loving Leavers, a lot of whom live in the North of England.
Hence too 2021 Boris is basically a Brexiteer social democrat, while 2005 Boris was a free marketeer who still supported staying in the EU
He’s a phenomenal political person but he has absolutely no principles whatsoever.
He has always had one main principle, advancing his own career
I find it totally bizarre how to this day we have such terrible signal on train lines. As a state-owned company NR should be forced to allow citing of masts wherever they are needed.
I expect that problem will be solved in the next couple of years, with satellite internet.
How does satellite internet help improve 4G and 5G connectivity? As backhaul yes but to actually provide the signal you need physical infrastructure on the ground.
Plonk the satellite dish on the choo choo and plug in a mini-base station, init?
Boris changes his ideology according to what he needs to do to win an election, in 2005 he was appealing to rich Londoners to win the 2008 Mayoralty and his constituency was in Henley in the wealthy south which is more rowing and regattas than soccer.
Now his base as Tory leader and PM is white working class football loving Leavers, a lot of whom live in the North of England.
Hence too 2021 Boris is basically a Brexiteer social democrat, while 2005 Boris was a free marketeer who still supported staying in the EU
His problem is he now needs to stand up for the economic interests of his new base. This is in direct conflict with his telegraph-reading backers.
I suspect it’ll be more tempting for Boris to find a new base, than to square that circle.
If there’s one thing Boris is good at, it’s letting people down.
Up from 388K last week. Could be some 700K days later on this week. As someone in the 40-44 age group waiting for my vaccination I am checking the book a vaccine site daily now in anticipation of it opening up.
Next day or two, I reckon. Being in the bracket above, I know no-one in the 45-50 bracket who hasn't at least got a jab booked (I recognise the dangers of generalising from my own bubble!).
If 40-44 opens up later this week or next, then when do you think 35-39 will open? Early or late next month?
I find it totally bizarre how to this day we have such terrible signal on train lines. As a state-owned company NR should be forced to allow citing of masts wherever they are needed.
Telecoms companies (Code Operators) can already compel the grant of rights where they are needed.
The reason it is not being added to the network must therefore be a bit more complicated.
When I was working at the big red company they had a lot of issues with NR just refusing to allow masts to be sited on their land.
Up from 388K last week. Could be some 700K days later on this week. As someone in the 40-44 age group waiting for my vaccination I am checking the book a vaccine site daily now in anticipation of it opening up.
Over 300,000 doses have been allocated to Scotland which suggests a pick up in supply.
Boris changes his ideology according to what he needs to do to win an election, in 2005 he was appealing to rich Londoners to win the 2008 Mayoralty and his constituency was in Henley in the wealthy south which is more rowing and regattas than soccer.
Now his base as Tory leader and PM is white working class football loving Leavers, a lot of whom live in the North of England.
Hence too 2021 Boris is basically a Brexiteer social democrat, while 2005 Boris was a free marketeer who still supported staying in the EU
He’s a phenomenal political person but he has absolutely no principles whatsoever.
He has always had one main principle, advancing his own career
Which is why No 10 are briefing against it right now?
Well that's a double edged sword. Briefing against it because it's clearly nonsense and if it goes unchallenged it allows a narrative of a government over-eager to intervene getting established. But also briefing against it because it draws attention to the fact that the biggest villains in the piece are blaming Boris, and that doesn't do his electability any harm.
Falls into the category of overall impact being negligible, of course. But when the baddies are angry with you, even if their reasoning is insane, you do yourself no harm by highlighting it.
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https://twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1384842465388244992
Hi @RishiSunak, I'm assuming you’ll be doing the same thing? https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1384831635301060613
Although when someone explains to BoZo what he has done, it will be rescinded before tea
Scott_xP missed out (probably intentionally) the fact that none of the other companies trying to help wished to bring named individuals to help with the project.
Let's make it really simple - I'm running the Manhatten Project to build the nuclear bomb. Should I insist on getting Oppenheimer, Manley and Serber working on it or would three random physicists elsewhere do just as well
Manufacturing a widget is manufacturing a widget. You don't need named specialists, you just need specialists, and there's thousands of expert manufacturing engineers around the world, and plenty within Dyson itself I assume, probably both in the UK and in Singapore.
When I've been asked to go to clients to solve problems, we don't send the entire team, we send who's available or who's willing.
I note that whoever they sent, if they did, didn't manage to produce anything anyway?
If you're a Tory donor, with the PM's personal number, you can get what you want fixed
If you're anyone else, PPE supplier, @ExcludedUK, @ForgottedLtd, you're ignored
That's #Torysleaze
Me on @SkyNews https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1384846163799678978/video/1
If you need something done quickly because other things depend on X you get the real expert to do it and you move other projects to make him available.
Manufacturing something that you're already doing and have no issues with may need "just anyone" but when you're trying to get going at speed on a project to save tens of thousands of lives, with a product you've never made before, you need the best named people. Not just anyone. This isn't a widget.
Your suggestion is like saying that in a murder trial you don't need a QC, a newly qualified paralegal will do.
Interesting the mail comments are universally negative. I think the govt may have more latitude to act on the housing bubble than they think they do.
The fact is you still haven't shown that these specialist "named people" would have refused to help if there was no tax exemption.
Therefore you still haven't shown the tax exemption was required. You've merely demonstrated why they have may preferred it — of course they would have preferred it, who wouldn't?
You need a QC but you don't need a named specific QC. All are more than qualified for the job.
In any case they weren't very good anyway.
For those without an ft sub,
Copy the link into google and click through.
That was the point, like the vaccine taskforce backing half a dozen vaccines. You don't back one, you back any that might succeed in the hope you get one that does.
Until shown otherwise, it was simply a favour to a mate.
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1384808158103851009?s=20
If they would have come regardless of the tax implications, then it was by definition "not necessary".
It is at that point, simply a courtesy.
(i understand the future risk of course, 2,000 can turn into 4,000 etc)
Otherwise its a nonsense.
Quite funny really 😀
Of course, when it comes to our Union, its detractors would claim that England is nothing more than an imperial master, and the other nations its vassals. Hence the coming Social Wars of the late 2020s, under the command of Hyufidius Posterus Maximus...
Flats are still down on pre covid levels, especially in central London, but not falling anymore.
https://tinyurl.com/rcywhchc
I've been asking for evidence of that all morning.
The rate of ICU patients in Nagpur at 353 per million is higher than it was anywhere in Europe during the pandemic. Mumbai, the financial capital, has 194 ICU patients per million.
...
A Financial Times analysis also points to under-reporting of deaths. Local news reports for seven districts across the states of Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Bihar show that while at least 1,833 people are known to have died of Covid-19 in recent days, based mainly on cremations, only 228 have been officially reported.
...
“The condition is so horrible that so many people are dying on the street, in their houses, before they can see a doctor or even have a test."
Otherwise they are not comparable in the slightest.
I think there is probably something about double checking in the protocol.
There was much more time spent on checks and comsent and Patient Info than on doing the actual jab.
In 2005, he said allowing the sale of Manchester United was “basic Conservative philosophy”
Now he says “billionaire club owners” are “dislocating” football from communities
#PoliticsLive https://bbc.in/3xnR9x8 https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1384849725451538435/video/1
Arguably, the real problem here is that he’s helped save the owners from themselves.
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1384782949879517185
...ICUs are twice as full in Nagpur as they ever got in Lombardy last March. Mumbai’s ICU’s are more full than Liège was in Belgium’s brutal peak...
I have no reason to think that is a lie. Without any other facts to the contrary, that is a matter of fact.
You really seem to be a raging Corbynista today.
No10 "reject" the idea that they intervened in the ESL after Juve chief Andrea Agnelli said it would be "seen that as an attack to Brexit and their political scheme.”
https://twitter.com/thejonnyreilly/status/1384856264354811909
So we should extend the practice and ask for help in paying the debts incurred. So all those multi-millionaires can volunteer to give some of their money to help Britain out.
We can probably give them a bauble or two in return or a special lunch in some posh house somewhere with Carrie and Boris, no? Maybe the press room could be repurposed for a cocktail do.
They'll be rushing to help us out, no, what with them being charitable sorts always willing to volunteer, I'm sure.
🏴 84,871 1st doses / 272,929 2nd doses
🏴 2,523 / 50,388
🏴 13,280 / 11,631
NI 6,948 / 15,079
Up from 388K last week. Could be some 700K days later on this week. As someone in the 40-44 age group waiting for my vaccination I am checking the book a vaccine site daily now in anticipation of it opening up.
Now his base as Tory leader and PM is white working class football loving Leavers, a lot of whom live in the North of England.
Hence too 2021 Boris is basically a Brexiteer social democrat, while 2005 Boris was a free marketeer who still supported staying in the EU
Dyson asked the right question in his employees' interests and Boris gave the right answer in the country's interests. Anyone criticizing this is either ignorant of the technicalities or willfully misrepresenting the facts.
NR can install infrastructure without planning permission, they should be forced to do the same for phone masts. This is essential connectivity that we need.
But I'm seeing a touch of sensationalism elsewhere.
The reason it is not being added to the network must therefore be a bit more complicated.
Being in the bracket above, I know no-one in the 45-50 bracket who hasn't at least got a jab booked (I recognise the dangers of generalising from my own bubble!).
I suspect it’ll be more tempting for Boris to find a new base, than to square that circle.
If there’s one thing Boris is good at, it’s letting people down.
New Zealand’s response to China abuse is spineless" {£}
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-zealands-response-to-china-abuse-is-spineless-s579rh3qk
Anyway, I'm off. Play nicely.
Briefing against it because it's clearly nonsense and if it goes unchallenged it allows a narrative of a government over-eager to intervene getting established.
But also briefing against it because it draws attention to the fact that the biggest villains in the piece are blaming Boris, and that doesn't do his electability any harm.
Falls into the category of overall impact being negligible, of course. But when the baddies are angry with you, even if their reasoning is insane, you do yourself no harm by highlighting it.