That said, I hope we can (mostly) agree that wall to wall coverage of HMQ for a week when the "transition" occurs would be entirely appropriate.
Not just for us, but for the World.
You don't get historic moments bigger than that. Ever.
Totally agree. It would be a once in 75 years occasion.
Bigger than that. Longest monarch ever, phenomenally effective, universally respected, Queen of the World, head of the commonwealth, overseen the biggest changes in British and world history etc etc etc
Off the scale.
There's a big difference with the death of HMQ, and that it's also when the new guy takes over the top job. So it's two big events in one. There would surely be lots about the new King.
CNN: BBC deluged with complaints over wall-to-wall Prince Philip coverage
Royalists will now be appalled no Prince Philip special coverage on any mainstream channel.
The Hit List on BBC1, Rugby League on BBC2, Catchphrase Celebrity Special on ITV, the news followed by Grand Designs on C4 and Susan Calman's Grand Day Out on C5
Just read that stark New Yorker article about China, Uighurs and state surveillance by technology. It is 1984, but more sophisticated and sinister, and it is here
There are even echoes of Nazism. This bit struck me:
"In some cases, officials pursued an odd tactic [against Uighur buildings]: miniaturization. In 2018, the grand gatehouse of a mosque in the town of Kargilik was covered with a banner proclaiming, “Love the Party, love the country.” Then the structure was dismantled and rebuilt as an ersatz version of itself, at a quarter the size."
This is racist mockery as a state policy. The Nazis did something like this to Jews in occupied countries, they took Jewish tombstones and turned them into paving stones, so Jews had to walk and drive over them. They used other tombstones to build walls around the ghetto in Krakow
China is a dystopian autocracy, marrying elements of the Khmer Rouge and Nazism, with the economic and technological power of the USA. Terrifying.
This is why we need to be wary of QR codes and their accoutrements.
You got to feel for a country like Hong Kong. They have gone from English Liberty and Common Law.... to this. In a couple of years. Fuck
I wonder if I will ever travel in Hong Kong or China again.
Another scary thought is what China could do with a technology like GPT3 (or 4 or 5). They will get it.
On the other hand we could always use it against THEM, I suppose
When I went to China a few years ago I didn't spring for the extra amount to have a few days in Hong Kong. Wish I had now - sure, I can still go, but it probably won't feel the same as it would have then.
Shame. It was an absolutely marvellous city. Incredible energy, food, pzazz, girls, a Singapore on speed.
And the view of Hong Kong Island at night from Tsim Sha Tsui - peerless. Better than NYC for a sense of electrifying modernity
However, I really think the operative would is "was". Talking to a China-expert friend the other day (goes there all the time, does biz) he felt it would now decline quite fast, as people refuse to work there, or even visit
One would be mad to set foot in Chinese-controlled territory. Too much risk of being taken hostage, as has happened to some Canadians.
The BBC has taken down its ‘click here to complain about the wall-to-wall HRH coverage’ page. Maybe offering a one-click fasttrack way to complain rather backfired?
Lots of mates on my WhatsApp group were complaining last night that their Friday night tunes had been cancelled. No Annie Mac on 1, no Steve Lamaque on 6, no Sian Anderson on 1X.
Yet I was assured on PB that the response was reasonable.
That said, I hope we can (mostly) agree that wall to wall coverage of HMQ for a week when the "transition" occurs would be entirely appropriate.
Not just for us, but for the World.
You don't get historic moments bigger than that. Ever.
As I commented this morning the late King died in February 1952 but the coronation was not for over a year until June 1953
And I remember them both very well
Coronations take a lot of planning and historically just a year or so after accession is quite fast. George VI's coronation was within six months of his accession as it had been planned for Edward VIII who, er, no longer had need of it.
I've heard this said before, but is it really the planning that takes all that time, or the desire to have a period of mourning and not to rush after the death of the previous monarch?
I mean, I know these are complex events, but there must surely have been enormous amounts of planning work already, and I struggle to believe a further year is really needed as opposed to simply being deemed appropriate.
@ydoethur may well be able to correct me, but IIRC when Victoria died there was a real issue about what to do as it had been so long since there'd be an coronation, and that the twentieth century coronation protocols were to a large extent re-invented from scratch then.
Not true. In fact, there had been two in the previous twenty years. There was one for William in 1831, but at his insistence it was very low-key (it cost one-eighth of what George IV’s had cost in 1821).
However, it was the first time a queen had been crowned since 1702, and the first time an unmarried monarch had been crowned since 1649 (in England, keep going back to 1625).I don’t know whether that had a bearing on the need to rewrite protocols. Not that George IV allowed his wife to attend his coronation anyway...
I meant when Edward VII was crowned.
Yes, my apologies, I misread it. Have edited my post above with further information. Basically, yes there had been a gap but don’t forget they were also crowning him for a different role - King of the United Kingdom and Emperor of India.
The BBC has taken down its ‘click here to complain about the wall-to-wall HRH coverage’ page. Maybe offering a one-click fasttrack way to complain rather backfired?
If only they would put a fast track for BBC comedy. It's shit.
Just read that stark New Yorker article about China, Uighurs and state surveillance by technology. It is 1984, but more sophisticated and sinister, and it is here
There are even echoes of Nazism. This bit struck me:
"In some cases, officials pursued an odd tactic [against Uighur buildings]: miniaturization. In 2018, the grand gatehouse of a mosque in the town of Kargilik was covered with a banner proclaiming, “Love the Party, love the country.” Then the structure was dismantled and rebuilt as an ersatz version of itself, at a quarter the size."
This is racist mockery as a state policy. The Nazis did something like this to Jews in occupied countries, they took Jewish tombstones and turned them into paving stones, so Jews had to walk and drive over them. They used other tombstones to build walls around the ghetto in Krakow
China is a dystopian autocracy, marrying elements of the Khmer Rouge and Nazism, with the economic and technological power of the USA. Terrifying.
This is why we need to be wary of QR codes and their accoutrements.
You got to feel for a country like Hong Kong. They have gone from English Liberty and Common Law.... to this. In a couple of years. Fuck
I wonder if I will ever travel in Hong Kong or China again.
Another scary thought is what China could do with a technology like GPT3 (or 4 or 5). They will get it.
On the other hand we could always use it against THEM, I suppose
I've visited Hong Kong 3 times. In 2005 for 2 days, 2008 for 6 days, and 2014 for a few hours (on the way back from Bangkok, and decided it would be stupid to spend 8 hours at the airport when I could have another look at the city).
Each time I thought it was possibly the greatest place in the world. It's horrible to think what's happening to it now.
That said, I hope we can (mostly) agree that wall to wall coverage of HMQ for a week when the "transition" occurs would be entirely appropriate.
Not just for us, but for the World.
You don't get historic moments bigger than that. Ever.
As I commented this morning the late King died in February 1952 but the coronation was not for over a year until June 1953
And I remember them both very well
Coronations take a lot of planning and historically just a year or so after accession is quite fast. George VI's coronation was within six months of his accession as it had been planned for Edward VIII who, er, no longer had need of it.
I've heard this said before, but is it really the planning that takes all that time, or the desire to have a period of mourning and not to rush after the death of the previous monarch?
I mean, I know these are complex events, but there must surely have been enormous amounts of planning work already, and I struggle to believe a further year is really needed as opposed to simply being deemed appropriate.
@ydoethur may well be able to correct me, but IIRC when Victoria died there was a real issue about what to do as it had been so long since there'd be an coronation, and that the twentieth century coronation protocols were to a large extent re-invented from scratch then.
Not true. In fact, there had been two in the previous twenty years. There was one for William in 1831, but at his insistence it was very low-key (it cost one-eighth of what George IV’s had cost in 1821).
However, it was the first time a queen had been crowned since 1702, and the first time an unmarried monarch had been crowned since 1649 (in England, keep going back to 1625).I don’t know whether that had a bearing on the need to rewrite protocols. Not that George IV allowed his wife to attend his coronation anyway...
If you re-read RPJS's post, the reference was to when Victoria died (i.e. Edward VII's coronation). I think you've read it as a question about her coronation.
Just read that stark New Yorker article about China, Uighurs and state surveillance by technology. It is 1984, but more sophisticated and sinister, and it is here
There are even echoes of Nazism. This bit struck me:
"In some cases, officials pursued an odd tactic [against Uighur buildings]: miniaturization. In 2018, the grand gatehouse of a mosque in the town of Kargilik was covered with a banner proclaiming, “Love the Party, love the country.” Then the structure was dismantled and rebuilt as an ersatz version of itself, at a quarter the size."
This is racist mockery as a state policy. The Nazis did something like this to Jews in occupied countries, they took Jewish tombstones and turned them into paving stones, so Jews had to walk and drive over them. They used other tombstones to build walls around the ghetto in Krakow
China is a dystopian autocracy, marrying elements of the Khmer Rouge and Nazism, with the economic and technological power of the USA. Terrifying.
The ratio of an individual or organisation's criticism of Israeli treatment of Palestinians compared to their criticism of Chinese treatment of Uighers is probably a good measure of their antisemitism.
Just read that stark New Yorker article about China, Uighurs and state surveillance by technology. It is 1984, but more sophisticated and sinister, and it is here
There are even echoes of Nazism. This bit struck me:
"In some cases, officials pursued an odd tactic [against Uighur buildings]: miniaturization. In 2018, the grand gatehouse of a mosque in the town of Kargilik was covered with a banner proclaiming, “Love the Party, love the country.” Then the structure was dismantled and rebuilt as an ersatz version of itself, at a quarter the size."
This is racist mockery as a state policy. The Nazis did something like this to Jews in occupied countries, they took Jewish tombstones and turned them into paving stones, so Jews had to walk and drive over them. They used other tombstones to build walls around the ghetto in Krakow
China is a dystopian autocracy, marrying elements of the Khmer Rouge and Nazism, with the economic and technological power of the USA. Terrifying.
Seriously weak showing by RefUK. What pressure can they put on anyone if they cannot even put up a half decent number of candidates.
As Black Rook says, the Greens are really going for it. They've certainly also done well in some of my area at finding candidates for town councils, when even the big three appear to have struggled. If the Greens are getting people engaged with local democracy all the better.
CNN: BBC deluged with complaints over wall-to-wall Prince Philip coverage
Royalists will now be appalled no Prince Philip special coverage on any mainstream channel.
The Hit List on BBC1, Rugby League on BBC2, Catchphrase Celebrity Special on ITV, the news followed by Grand Designs on C4 and Susan Calman's Grand Day Out on C5
Today’s TV schedule: 12pm - Homes Under the Philip 1pm - A Philip in the Sun 2pm - Come Dine with Philip 3pm - Escape to the Philip 4pm - Tiphiliping Point 5pm - 5 O’Clock Philip 6pm - Philip & Philip’s Saturday Night Takeaway 9pm - Only Fools and Philip 11pm - Match of the Philip 12am - Philip Does Dallas
Just read that stark New Yorker article about China, Uighurs and state surveillance by technology. It is 1984, but more sophisticated and sinister, and it is here
There are even echoes of Nazism. This bit struck me:
"In some cases, officials pursued an odd tactic [against Uighur buildings]: miniaturization. In 2018, the grand gatehouse of a mosque in the town of Kargilik was covered with a banner proclaiming, “Love the Party, love the country.” Then the structure was dismantled and rebuilt as an ersatz version of itself, at a quarter the size."
This is racist mockery as a state policy. The Nazis did something like this to Jews in occupied countries, they took Jewish tombstones and turned them into paving stones, so Jews had to walk and drive over them. They used other tombstones to build walls around the ghetto in Krakow
China is a dystopian autocracy, marrying elements of the Khmer Rouge and Nazism, with the economic and technological power of the USA. Terrifying.
This is why we need to be wary of QR codes and their accoutrements.
You got to feel for a country like Hong Kong. They have gone from English Liberty and Common Law.... to this. In a couple of years. Fuck
I wonder if I will ever travel in Hong Kong or China again.
Another scary thought is what China could do with a technology like GPT3 (or 4 or 5). They will get it.
On the other hand we could always use it against THEM, I suppose
I've visited Hong Kong 3 times. In 2005 for 2 days, 2008 for 6 days, and 2014 for a few hours (on the way back from Bangkok, and decided it would be stupid to spend 8 hours at the airport when I could have another look at the city).
Each time I thought it was possibly the greatest place in the world. It's horrible to think what's happening to it now.
Yeah, it had everything. Beauty, dynamism, power, wealth, optimism, gifted people, quite fantastic seafood. And, most crucially of all, English freedom.
One of the few flaws is the climate. Very humid in summer
Just read that stark New Yorker article about China, Uighurs and state surveillance by technology. It is 1984, but more sophisticated and sinister, and it is here
There are even echoes of Nazism. This bit struck me:
"In some cases, officials pursued an odd tactic [against Uighur buildings]: miniaturization. In 2018, the grand gatehouse of a mosque in the town of Kargilik was covered with a banner proclaiming, “Love the Party, love the country.” Then the structure was dismantled and rebuilt as an ersatz version of itself, at a quarter the size."
This is racist mockery as a state policy. The Nazis did something like this to Jews in occupied countries, they took Jewish tombstones and turned them into paving stones, so Jews had to walk and drive over them. They used other tombstones to build walls around the ghetto in Krakow
China is a dystopian autocracy, marrying elements of the Khmer Rouge and Nazism, with the economic and technological power of the USA. Terrifying.
This is why we need to be wary of QR codes and their accoutrements.
You got to feel for a country like Hong Kong. They have gone from English Liberty and Common Law.... to this. In a couple of years. Fuck
I wonder if I will ever travel in Hong Kong or China again.
Another scary thought is what China could do with a technology like GPT3 (or 4 or 5). They will get it.
On the other hand we could always use it against THEM, I suppose
They were a British colony , bought on a lease which ran out.
In the interests of pedantry, about half of it was bought on a lease which ran out. But Deng said he wanted the whole lot back, and would take it by force if he wasn’t given it peacefully. There wasn’t anything the British could do about that so they negotiated the ‘one country, two systems’ agreement instead.
This would have worked if the Chinese government could be trusted. Unfortunately, when their system cracked and resulted in them being led by an unstable bloodthirsty lunatic like Xi, it was always going to end badly.
That said, I hope we can (mostly) agree that wall to wall coverage of HMQ for a week when the "transition" occurs would be entirely appropriate.
Not just for us, but for the World.
You don't get historic moments bigger than that. Ever.
Totally agree. It would be a once in 75 years occasion.
Bigger than that. Longest monarch ever, phenomenally effective, universally respected, Queen of the World, head of the commonwealth, overseen the biggest changes in British and world history etc etc etc
Off the scale.
I dunno. People said the same about Mandela and all I remember about his farewell was Obama and Cameron getting in trouble with their wives for flirting with that danish sort.
It's not just about her amazing reign and how she created the Commonwealth and managed one of the most difficult transitions and modernisations/values shifts in world history but about what it means for the future and what comes next. It will have us glued to the edge of our seats for months.
That's why it's different.
Simon Cowell should do a programme for it. The 10 next in-lines all facing off against each other each week, shaking hands, cutting ribbons, signing red boxes, making small talk with a different guest African dictator each week.
The winner is the one who the public judges to have said the least of any interest or consequence.
Or to put another way, I think the death of the Queen is the most overhyped event ever in what it means for “what’s next”. It just don’t matter guv, it will be the same as the day before.
Yes, but that's because you're a republican and don't want it to be.
Just read that stark New Yorker article about China, Uighurs and state surveillance by technology. It is 1984, but more sophisticated and sinister, and it is here
There are even echoes of Nazism. This bit struck me:
"In some cases, officials pursued an odd tactic [against Uighur buildings]: miniaturization. In 2018, the grand gatehouse of a mosque in the town of Kargilik was covered with a banner proclaiming, “Love the Party, love the country.” Then the structure was dismantled and rebuilt as an ersatz version of itself, at a quarter the size."
This is racist mockery as a state policy. The Nazis did something like this to Jews in occupied countries, they took Jewish tombstones and turned them into paving stones, so Jews had to walk and drive over them. They used other tombstones to build walls around the ghetto in Krakow
China is a dystopian autocracy, marrying elements of the Khmer Rouge and Nazism, with the economic and technological power of the USA. Terrifying.
The ratio of an individual or organisation's criticism of Israeli treatment of Palestinians compared to their criticism of Chinese treatment of Uighers is probably a good measure of their antisemitism.
Yes. Very possibly. A sky high ratio being the tell.
Just read that stark New Yorker article about China, Uighurs and state surveillance by technology. It is 1984, but more sophisticated and sinister, and it is here
There are even echoes of Nazism. This bit struck me:
"In some cases, officials pursued an odd tactic [against Uighur buildings]: miniaturization. In 2018, the grand gatehouse of a mosque in the town of Kargilik was covered with a banner proclaiming, “Love the Party, love the country.” Then the structure was dismantled and rebuilt as an ersatz version of itself, at a quarter the size."
This is racist mockery as a state policy. The Nazis did something like this to Jews in occupied countries, they took Jewish tombstones and turned them into paving stones, so Jews had to walk and drive over them. They used other tombstones to build walls around the ghetto in Krakow
China is a dystopian autocracy, marrying elements of the Khmer Rouge and Nazism, with the economic and technological power of the USA. Terrifying.
This is why we need to be wary of QR codes and their accoutrements.
You got to feel for a country like Hong Kong. They have gone from English Liberty and Common Law.... to this. In a couple of years. Fuck
I wonder if I will ever travel in Hong Kong or China again.
Another scary thought is what China could do with a technology like GPT3 (or 4 or 5). They will get it.
On the other hand we could always use it against THEM, I suppose
They were a British colony , bought on a lease which ran out.
In the interests of pedantry, about half of it was bought on a lease which ran out. But Deng said he wanted the whole lot back, and would take it by force if he wasn’t given it peacefully. There wasn’t anything the British could do about that so they negotiated the ‘one country, two systems’ agreement instead.
This would have worked if the Chinese government could be trusted. Unfortunately, when their system cracked and resulted in them being led by an unstable bloodthirsty lunatic like Xi, it was always going to end badly.
We need the aliens to unite with GPT3 to help us push back the Chinese, retake Hong Kong, and then together we can all come up with a new name for BAME. Sorted
Just read that stark New Yorker article about China, Uighurs and state surveillance by technology. It is 1984, but more sophisticated and sinister, and it is here
There are even echoes of Nazism. This bit struck me:
"In some cases, officials pursued an odd tactic [against Uighur buildings]: miniaturization. In 2018, the grand gatehouse of a mosque in the town of Kargilik was covered with a banner proclaiming, “Love the Party, love the country.” Then the structure was dismantled and rebuilt as an ersatz version of itself, at a quarter the size."
This is racist mockery as a state policy. The Nazis did something like this to Jews in occupied countries, they took Jewish tombstones and turned them into paving stones, so Jews had to walk and drive over them. They used other tombstones to build walls around the ghetto in Krakow
China is a dystopian autocracy, marrying elements of the Khmer Rouge and Nazism, with the economic and technological power of the USA. Terrifying.
The ratio of an individual or organisation's criticism of Israeli treatment of Palestinians compared to their criticism of Chinese treatment of Uighers is probably a good measure of their antisemitism.
Yes. Very possibly. A sky high ratio being the tell.
And what would the dead opposite signify iyo?
An awkward paradox, as in that particular case it cannot signify Islamophobia.
That said, I hope we can (mostly) agree that wall to wall coverage of HMQ for a week when the "transition" occurs would be entirely appropriate.
Not just for us, but for the World.
You don't get historic moments bigger than that. Ever.
Totally agree. It would be a once in 75 years occasion.
Bigger than that. Longest monarch ever, phenomenally effective, universally respected, Queen of the World, head of the commonwealth, overseen the biggest changes in British and world history etc etc etc
Off the scale.
There's a big difference with the death of HMQ, and that it's also when the new guy takes over the top job. So it's two big events in one. There would surely be lots about the new King.
Yes indeed.
It'll also mean some fundamental questions for us and the Commonwealth - which will lead to an uncertain and unstable period, IMHO, and may even feed into global politics.
I feel for Charles actually. Boy oh boy, what an act to follow, and what a challenge.
The BBC has taken down its ‘click here to complain about the wall-to-wall HRH coverage’ page. Maybe offering a one-click fasttrack way to complain rather backfired?
Lots of mates on my WhatsApp group were complaining last night that their Friday night tunes had been cancelled. No Annie Mac on 1, no Steve Lamaque on 6, no Sian Anderson on 1X.
Yet I was assured on PB that the response was reasonable.
Some of us have been saying for a long time the BBC is totally out of touch with what the consumer wants.
Just read that stark New Yorker article about China, Uighurs and state surveillance by technology. It is 1984, but more sophisticated and sinister, and it is here
There are even echoes of Nazism. This bit struck me:
"In some cases, officials pursued an odd tactic [against Uighur buildings]: miniaturization. In 2018, the grand gatehouse of a mosque in the town of Kargilik was covered with a banner proclaiming, “Love the Party, love the country.” Then the structure was dismantled and rebuilt as an ersatz version of itself, at a quarter the size."
This is racist mockery as a state policy. The Nazis did something like this to Jews in occupied countries, they took Jewish tombstones and turned them into paving stones, so Jews had to walk and drive over them. They used other tombstones to build walls around the ghetto in Krakow
China is a dystopian autocracy, marrying elements of the Khmer Rouge and Nazism, with the economic and technological power of the USA. Terrifying.
The ratio of an individual or organisation's criticism of Israeli treatment of Palestinians compared to their criticism of Chinese treatment of Uighers is probably a good measure of their antisemitism.
Yes. Very possibly. A sky high ratio being the tell.
And what would the dead opposite signify iyo?
Hostility to China.
Which, especially given the last year, has rather more sense to it than hostility to Israel.
Just read that stark New Yorker article about China, Uighurs and state surveillance by technology. It is 1984, but more sophisticated and sinister, and it is here
There are even echoes of Nazism. This bit struck me:
"In some cases, officials pursued an odd tactic [against Uighur buildings]: miniaturization. In 2018, the grand gatehouse of a mosque in the town of Kargilik was covered with a banner proclaiming, “Love the Party, love the country.” Then the structure was dismantled and rebuilt as an ersatz version of itself, at a quarter the size."
This is racist mockery as a state policy. The Nazis did something like this to Jews in occupied countries, they took Jewish tombstones and turned them into paving stones, so Jews had to walk and drive over them. They used other tombstones to build walls around the ghetto in Krakow
China is a dystopian autocracy, marrying elements of the Khmer Rouge and Nazism, with the economic and technological power of the USA. Terrifying.
This is why we need to be wary of QR codes and their accoutrements.
You got to feel for a country like Hong Kong. They have gone from English Liberty and Common Law.... to this. In a couple of years. Fuck
I wonder if I will ever travel in Hong Kong or China again.
Another scary thought is what China could do with a technology like GPT3 (or 4 or 5). They will get it.
On the other hand we could always use it against THEM, I suppose
I've visited Hong Kong 3 times. In 2005 for 2 days, 2008 for 6 days, and 2014 for a few hours (on the way back from Bangkok, and decided it would be stupid to spend 8 hours at the airport when I could have another look at the city).
Each time I thought it was possibly the greatest place in the world. It's horrible to think what's happening to it now.
Yeah, it had everything. Beauty, dynamism, power, wealth, optimism, gifted people, quite fantastic seafood. And, most crucially of all, English freedom.
One of the few flaws is the climate. Very humid in summer
Yet now the jackboot of Beijing. Sad
According to the Taiwanese combined the innovative dynamism of the British with the good manners of the Chinese.
That said, I hope we can (mostly) agree that wall to wall coverage of HMQ for a week when the "transition" occurs would be entirely appropriate.
Not just for us, but for the World.
You don't get historic moments bigger than that. Ever.
Totally agree. It would be a once in 75 years occasion.
Bigger than that. Longest monarch ever, phenomenally effective, universally respected, Queen of the World, head of the commonwealth, overseen the biggest changes in British and world history etc etc etc
Off the scale.
There's a big difference with the death of HMQ, and that it's also when the new guy takes over the top job. So it's two big events in one. There would surely be lots about the new King.
Yes indeed.
It'll also mean some fundamental questions for us and the Commonwealth - which will lead to an uncertain and unstable period, IMHO, and may even feed into global politics.
I feel for Charles actually. Boy oh boy, what an act to follow, and what a challenge.
If he lives long enough.
That sounds a bit morbid, but it is a point, isn’t it?
CNN: BBC deluged with complaints over wall-to-wall Prince Philip coverage
Royalists will now be appalled no Prince Philip special coverage on any mainstream channel.
The Hit List on BBC1, Rugby League on BBC2, Catchphrase Celebrity Special on ITV, the news followed by Grand Designs on C4 and Susan Calman's Grand Day Out on C5
Today’s TV schedule: 12pm - Homes Under the Philip 1pm - A Philip in the Sun 2pm - Come Dine with Philip 3pm - Escape to the Philip 4pm - Tiphiliping Point 5pm - 5 O’Clock Philip 6pm - Philip & Philip’s Saturday Night Takeaway 9pm - Only Fools and Philip 11pm - Match of the Philip 12am - Philip Does Dallas
That said, I hope we can (mostly) agree that wall to wall coverage of HMQ for a week when the "transition" occurs would be entirely appropriate.
Not just for us, but for the World.
You don't get historic moments bigger than that. Ever.
Totally agree. It would be a once in 75 years occasion.
Bigger than that. Longest monarch ever, phenomenally effective, universally respected, Queen of the World, head of the commonwealth, overseen the biggest changes in British and world history etc etc etc
Off the scale.
There's a big difference with the death of HMQ, and that it's also when the new guy takes over the top job. So it's two big events in one. There would surely be lots about the new King.
Yes indeed.
It'll also mean some fundamental questions for us and the Commonwealth - which will lead to an uncertain and unstable period, IMHO, and may even feed into global politics.
I feel for Charles actually. Boy oh boy, what an act to follow, and what a challenge.
Will not make a blind bit of difference, they are only window dressing , so how could they lead to an unstable period.
That said, I hope we can (mostly) agree that wall to wall coverage of HMQ for a week when the "transition" occurs would be entirely appropriate.
Not just for us, but for the World.
You don't get historic moments bigger than that. Ever.
Not the WORLD. C'mon.
She's head of state of Australia, Canada, New Zealand as well as 3 pacific and much of the west Indies, was head of state of Sri Lanka for 20 years, head of state of Pakistan for 4 years, South Africa for 9 - a link both to a past era and Britain's extended hinterland in the world. She's probably the most important historical figure currently living on the entire planet from a historical and geographical perspective. Her death will be monumentally huge globally.
Exactly. Only aliens landing could beat it.
When the aliens land, they still should only devote BBC1 to covering it. There will still be people expecting to see Masterchef on BBC2.
That said, I hope we can (mostly) agree that wall to wall coverage of HMQ for a week when the "transition" occurs would be entirely appropriate.
Not just for us, but for the World.
You don't get historic moments bigger than that. Ever.
Totally agree. It would be a once in 75 years occasion.
Bigger than that. Longest monarch ever, phenomenally effective, universally respected, Queen of the World, head of the commonwealth, overseen the biggest changes in British and world history etc etc etc
Off the scale.
I dunno. People said the same about Mandela and all I remember about his farewell was Obama and Cameron getting in trouble with their wives for flirting with that danish sort.
It's not just about her amazing reign and how she created the Commonwealth and managed one of the most difficult transitions and modernisations/values shifts in world history but about what it means for the future and what comes next. It will have us glued to the edge of our seats for months.
That's why it's different.
Simon Cowell should do a programme for it. The 10 next in-lines all facing off against each other each week, shaking hands, cutting ribbons, signing red boxes, making small talk with a different guest African dictator each week.
The winner is the one who the public judges to have said the least of any interest or consequence.
Or to put another way, I think the death of the Queen is the most overhyped event ever in what it means for “what’s next”. It just don’t matter guv, it will be the same as the day before.
Yes, but that's because you're a republican and don't want it to be.
It doesn't mean you're right.
No I’m not. That’s exactly why I say it.
Any good Republican hopes the queen’s passing triggers an existential bout of national self doubt that ends with the downfall of the monarchy.
A monarchist thinks it will be Keep Calm and Carry On. I don’t have to prostrate myself in grief to be a monarchist.
CNN: BBC deluged with complaints over wall-to-wall Prince Philip coverage
Royalists will now be appalled no Prince Philip special coverage on any mainstream channel.
The Hit List on BBC1, Rugby League on BBC2, Catchphrase Celebrity Special on ITV, the news followed by Grand Designs on C4 and Susan Calman's Grand Day Out on C5
Hi HYUFD
A simple I was wrong on television coverage is now required from you and you know what, admitting you are wrong on occasions is very good for the soul
On topic, the Government announcement last week ending the right of local authorities to hold decision making meetings remotely (by not adding the exemption to the renewed Covid legislation) had the Perhaps predictable effect of doing the one thing central Government does so well - uniting local Government in opposition.
Such left-wing firebrand radical authorities as Surrey and Hertfordshire have led the opposition which led to a court challenge instigated by those well known Marxists, the Local Government Association seeking a judicial review of the earlier decision.
This led to that well- known doyen of firm inflexibility, Robert Jenrick, to announce he was going to support the legal challenge against his own Government.
Okay - interesting to see where this goes.
Now, @david_herdson will argue, with some conviction, Epping Forest Town Hall isn't Westminster and it's fair to say the politics of local Government and Westminster are two very different beasts but I can't agree with the principle (however lofty) that somehow, in terms of social distancing and the like, Westminster can and should be exempt.
Some local authority meetings in lockdown have been entertaining, the vast majority are however as dull remotely as they are in person. Once restrictions are lifted, it should be up to each Council how it wishes to conduct its meetings - there's an argument for full Council meetings to be held in person but as long as the public has the same rights of access to remote meetings as it does to physical meetings I don't see why remote meetings cannot continue.
Further, I'd argue the time and cost of attending a possibly distant Town or Shire Hall might put some off getting more involved in local politics - offsetting that might encourage more participation.
Just read that stark New Yorker article about China, Uighurs and state surveillance by technology. It is 1984, but more sophisticated and sinister, and it is here
There are even echoes of Nazism. This bit struck me:
"In some cases, officials pursued an odd tactic [against Uighur buildings]: miniaturization. In 2018, the grand gatehouse of a mosque in the town of Kargilik was covered with a banner proclaiming, “Love the Party, love the country.” Then the structure was dismantled and rebuilt as an ersatz version of itself, at a quarter the size."
This is racist mockery as a state policy. The Nazis did something like this to Jews in occupied countries, they took Jewish tombstones and turned them into paving stones, so Jews had to walk and drive over them. They used other tombstones to build walls around the ghetto in Krakow
China is a dystopian autocracy, marrying elements of the Khmer Rouge and Nazism, with the economic and technological power of the USA. Terrifying.
But, they've *just* moved too early - so now we have a chance to do something about it.
If they'd waited another 10 years we'd have been too wrapped into them to ever escape; like the supercomputer that sucks people in and cyborgs them in Superman 3.
The BBC has taken down its ‘click here to complain about the wall-to-wall HRH coverage’ page. Maybe offering a one-click fasttrack way to complain rather backfired?
Lots of mates on my WhatsApp group were complaining last night that their Friday night tunes had been cancelled. No Annie Mac on 1, no Steve Lamaque on 6, no Sian Anderson on 1X.
Yet I was assured on PB that the response was reasonable.
Some of us have been saying for a long time the BBC is totally out of touch with what the consumer wants.
There's nothing more boring on PB than an anti-BBC rout. It has existed for as long as it has because there's never been the political will to abolish it.
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
Interesting to see the relatively small decline in BBC viewing figures last evening compared to the BBC2 and ITV numbers.
I suspect it illustrates, for all the anti-BBC vitriol espoused by some on here on a regular basis, at times of national drama or emergency, there's an almost instinctive, nay visceral, desire to turn back to the comforting reliable tones of Auntie.
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
Further to that.
The family that made it through the war were occupied by the English.
Those who remained in Germany absolutely hated the English until the day they died given how badly they felt the English treated them in the months and years after the war ended.
On topic, the Government announcement last week ending the right of local authorities to hold decision making meetings remotely (by not adding the exemption to the renewed Covid legislation) had the Perhaps predictable effect of doing the one thing central Government does so well - uniting local Government in opposition.
Such left-wing firebrand radical authorities as Surrey and Hertfordshire have led the opposition which led to a court challenge instigated by those well known Marxists, the Local Government Association seeking a judicial review of the earlier decision.
This led to that well- known doyen of firm inflexibility, Robert Jenrick, to announce he was going to support the legal challenge against his own Government.
Okay - interesting to see where this goes.
Now, @david_herdson will argue, with some conviction, Epping Forest Town Hall isn't Westminster and it's fair to say the politics of local Government and Westminster are two very different beasts but I can't agree with the principle (however lofty) that somehow, in terms of social distancing and the like, Westminster can and should be exempt.
Some local authority meetings in lockdown have been entertaining, the vast majority are however as dull remotely as they are in person. Once restrictions are lifted, it should be up to each Council how it wishes to conduct its meetings - there's an argument for full Council meetings to be held in person but as long as the public has the same rights of access to remote meetings as it does to physical meetings I don't see why remote meetings cannot continue.
Further, I'd argue the time and cost of attending a possibly distant Town or Shire Hall might put some off getting more involved in local politics - offsetting that might encourage more participation.
You should see the ages of our Parish Council. They aren't happy at the suggestion they now have to leave their houses.
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
The BBC has taken down its ‘click here to complain about the wall-to-wall HRH coverage’ page. Maybe offering a one-click fasttrack way to complain rather backfired?
Lots of mates on my WhatsApp group were complaining last night that their Friday night tunes had been cancelled. No Annie Mac on 1, no Steve Lamaque on 6, no Sian Anderson on 1X.
Yet I was assured on PB that the response was reasonable.
Some of us have been saying for a long time the BBC is totally out of touch with what the consumer wants.
There's nothing more boring on PB than an anti-BBC rout. It has existed for as long as it has because there's never been the political will to abolish it.
I'm delighted that you're playing the game again. I loved your 'first' the other day.
At best the BBC is troubled. However it is my personal lifeline.
CNN: BBC deluged with complaints over wall-to-wall Prince Philip coverage
Royalists will now be appalled no Prince Philip special coverage on any mainstream channel.
The Hit List on BBC1, Rugby League on BBC2, Catchphrase Celebrity Special on ITV, the news followed by Grand Designs on C4 and Susan Calman's Grand Day Out on C5
Today’s TV schedule: 12pm - Homes Under the Philip 1pm - A Philip in the Sun 2pm - Come Dine with Philip 3pm - Escape to the Philip 4pm - Tiphiliping Point 5pm - 5 O’Clock Philip 6pm - Philip & Philip’s Saturday Night Takeaway 9pm - Only Fools and Philip 11pm - Match of the Philip 12am - Philip Does Dallas
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
Further to that.
The family that made it through the war were occupied by the English.
Those who remained in Germany absolutely hated the English until the day they died given how badly they felt the English treated them in the months and years after the war ended.
On topic, the Government announcement last week ending the right of local authorities to hold decision making meetings remotely (by not adding the exemption to the renewed Covid legislation) had the Perhaps predictable effect of doing the one thing central Government does so well - uniting local Government in opposition.
Such left-wing firebrand radical authorities as Surrey and Hertfordshire have led the opposition which led to a court challenge instigated by those well known Marxists, the Local Government Association seeking a judicial review of the earlier decision.
This led to that well- known doyen of firm inflexibility, Robert Jenrick, to announce he was going to support the legal challenge against his own Government.
Okay - interesting to see where this goes.
Now, @david_herdson will argue, with some conviction, Epping Forest Town Hall isn't Westminster and it's fair to say the politics of local Government and Westminster are two very different beasts but I can't agree with the principle (however lofty) that somehow, in terms of social distancing and the like, Westminster can and should be exempt.
Some local authority meetings in lockdown have been entertaining, the vast majority are however as dull remotely as they are in person. Once restrictions are lifted, it should be up to each Council how it wishes to conduct its meetings - there's an argument for full Council meetings to be held in person but as long as the public has the same rights of access to remote meetings as it does to physical meetings I don't see why remote meetings cannot continue.
Further, I'd argue the time and cost of attending a possibly distant Town or Shire Hall might put some off getting more involved in local politics - offsetting that might encourage more participation.
You should see the ages of our Parish Council. They aren't happy at the suggestion they now have to leave their houses.
I hope Handforth don’t go back to meeting in person. Comedy gold like that doesn’t come round too often.
Plus, there might be issues under the Public Order and Offences Against the Person Acts.
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
other than my grandmother learnt from the horrors of war that treating other humans and sentient animals was a humane thing to do.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
CNN: BBC deluged with complaints over wall-to-wall Prince Philip coverage
Royalists will now be appalled no Prince Philip special coverage on any mainstream channel.
The Hit List on BBC1, Rugby League on BBC2, Catchphrase Celebrity Special on ITV, the news followed by Grand Designs on C4 and Susan Calman's Grand Day Out on C5
Hi HYUFD
A simple I was wrong on television coverage is now required from you and you know what, admitting you are wrong on occasions is very good for the soul
I never said the funeral would definitely not be covered by TV, I said it might not even be televised, so no apology necessary.
However I still think it would have made more sense to have a televised State Memorial Service later in the year post Covid restrictions but that is up to them.
The service next week will be just 30 attendees, almost all royal family plus the PM and Archbishop of Canterbury who will do the service, an organist and no more than 8 in the choir
That said, I hope we can (mostly) agree that wall to wall coverage of HMQ for a week when the "transition" occurs would be entirely appropriate.
Not just for us, but for the World.
You don't get historic moments bigger than that. Ever.
Totally agree. It would be a once in 75 years occasion.
Bigger than that. Longest monarch ever, phenomenally effective, universally respected, Queen of the World, head of the commonwealth, overseen the biggest changes in British and world history etc etc etc
Off the scale.
There's a big difference with the death of HMQ, and that it's also when the new guy takes over the top job. So it's two big events in one. There would surely be lots about the new King.
Yes indeed.
It'll also mean some fundamental questions for us and the Commonwealth - which will lead to an uncertain and unstable period, IMHO, and may even feed into global politics.
I feel for Charles actually. Boy oh boy, what an act to follow, and what a challenge.
If he lives long enough.
That sounds a bit morbid, but it is a point, isn’t it?
I did some sums on this. I can't remember the details, but the chance of the queen outliving Charles starting from where they are now and based on average life expectancies from their current ages is small but not negligible. Three percent or thereabouts, I think.
CNN: BBC deluged with complaints over wall-to-wall Prince Philip coverage
Royalists will now be appalled no Prince Philip special coverage on any mainstream channel.
The Hit List on BBC1, Rugby League on BBC2, Catchphrase Celebrity Special on ITV, the news followed by Grand Designs on C4 and Susan Calman's Grand Day Out on C5
Hi HYUFD
A simple I was wrong on television coverage is now required from you and you know what, admitting you are wrong on occasions is very good for the soul
I never said the funeral would definitely not be covered by TV, I said it might not even be televised, so no apology necessary.
However I still think it would have made more sense to have a televised State Memorial Service later in the year post Covid restrictions but that is up to them.
The service next week will be just 30 attendees, almost all royal family plus the PM and Archbishop of Canterbury who will do the service, an organist and no more than 8 in the choir
Why would the PM be there? And if he is, why not the Leader of the Opposition as well?
CNN: BBC deluged with complaints over wall-to-wall Prince Philip coverage
Royalists will now be appalled no Prince Philip special coverage on any mainstream channel.
The Hit List on BBC1, Rugby League on BBC2, Catchphrase Celebrity Special on ITV, the news followed by Grand Designs on C4 and Susan Calman's Grand Day Out on C5
Hi HYUFD
A simple I was wrong on television coverage is now required from you and you know what, admitting you are wrong on occasions is very good for the soul
We all know HYUFD doesn't like to say he was wrong, but I have to say on this occasion I'd say he was right that it was speculation rather than a definitive prediction.
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
Further to that.
The family that made it through the war were occupied by the English.
Those who remained in Germany absolutely hated the English until the day they died given how badly they felt the English treated them in the months and years after the war ended.
Where they from East Prussia?
Genuinely cannot remember.
Always say Wilhelmshaven, but that is where I was brought up.
They had a Polish slave who helped around their property, during the war they were brainwashed to think that Polish slaves were happy with their lives as they had been given the chance to live in the heart of the Reich.
CNN: BBC deluged with complaints over wall-to-wall Prince Philip coverage
Royalists will now be appalled no Prince Philip special coverage on any mainstream channel.
The Hit List on BBC1, Rugby League on BBC2, Catchphrase Celebrity Special on ITV, the news followed by Grand Designs on C4 and Susan Calman's Grand Day Out on C5
Hi HYUFD
A simple I was wrong on television coverage is now required from you and you know what, admitting you are wrong on occasions is very good for the soul
We all know HYUFD doesn't like to say he was wrong
Congratulations for making the understatement of the 21st century so far.
Campaigning resumes after tributes conclude on Monday (they might go on a bit so I imagine that means Tuesday), with a pause next Saturday during the funeral.
On topic, the Government announcement last week ending the right of local authorities to hold decision making meetings remotely (by not adding the exemption to the renewed Covid legislation) had the Perhaps predictable effect of doing the one thing central Government does so well - uniting local Government in opposition.
Such left-wing firebrand radical authorities as Surrey and Hertfordshire have led the opposition which led to a court challenge instigated by those well known Marxists, the Local Government Association seeking a judicial review of the earlier decision.
This led to that well- known doyen of firm inflexibility, Robert Jenrick, to announce he was going to support the legal challenge against his own Government.
Okay - interesting to see where this goes.
Now, @david_herdson will argue, with some conviction, Epping Forest Town Hall isn't Westminster and it's fair to say the politics of local Government and Westminster are two very different beasts but I can't agree with the principle (however lofty) that somehow, in terms of social distancing and the like, Westminster can and should be exempt.
Some local authority meetings in lockdown have been entertaining, the vast majority are however as dull remotely as they are in person. Once restrictions are lifted, it should be up to each Council how it wishes to conduct its meetings - there's an argument for full Council meetings to be held in person but as long as the public has the same rights of access to remote meetings as it does to physical meetings I don't see why remote meetings cannot continue.
Further, I'd argue the time and cost of attending a possibly distant Town or Shire Hall might put some off getting more involved in local politics - offsetting that might encourage more participation.
You should see the ages of our Parish Council. They aren't happy at the suggestion they now have to leave their houses.
Trouble is, some of them may still be trembling like a leaf at the prospect of contact with the outside world this time next year.
OK, one can perhaps plausibly argue that attempts to get councillors back to proper meetings have jumped the gun a little, but the point at which they really ought to be doing so is not that far away now. Assuming that the vaccination timetable proceeds as planned, by August Bank Holiday all adults should've had at least one jab plus the requisite time for it to work. After that there's no excuse for trying to keep hobbling along doing politics on Zoom.
Anybody who's still too frightened to leave the house after that can quit.
That said, I hope we can (mostly) agree that wall to wall coverage of HMQ for a week when the "transition" occurs would be entirely appropriate.
Not just for us, but for the World.
You don't get historic moments bigger than that. Ever.
Totally agree. It would be a once in 75 years occasion.
Bigger than that. Longest monarch ever, phenomenally effective, universally respected, Queen of the World, head of the commonwealth, overseen the biggest changes in British and world history etc etc etc
Off the scale.
There's a big difference with the death of HMQ, and that it's also when the new guy takes over the top job. So it's two big events in one. There would surely be lots about the new King.
Yes indeed.
It'll also mean some fundamental questions for us and the Commonwealth - which will lead to an uncertain and unstable period, IMHO, and may even feed into global politics.
I feel for Charles actually. Boy oh boy, what an act to follow, and what a challenge.
13 Commonwealth nations became Republics in the Queen's reign let us not forget, out of the 54 Commonwealth nations only 16 still retain the Queen as Head of State and only there will Charles become King.
Nations like Canada are secure anyway both Trudeau as Liberal PM and Conservative Leader of the Opposition O'Toole want to retain the monarchy
The BBC has taken down its ‘click here to complain about the wall-to-wall HRH coverage’ page. Maybe offering a one-click fasttrack way to complain rather backfired?
Lots of mates on my WhatsApp group were complaining last night that their Friday night tunes had been cancelled. No Annie Mac on 1, no Steve Lamaque on 6, no Sian Anderson on 1X.
Yet I was assured on PB that the response was reasonable.
OMG, I hope your mates never have to suffer a real problem like a pandemic or something!!. Talk about first world problems. I don't have any problem with clearing the schedules on a day when someone important dies. The BBC is our Naional broadcaster so I would expect it. Even if it was HMG, Phillip or even Boris!
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
other than my grandmother learnt from the horrors of war that treating other humans and sentient animals was a humane thing to do.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
Really ? There have been a lot of people on TV saying he was down to earth, approachable and kind.
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
other than my grandmother learnt from the horrors of war that treating other humans and sentient animals was a humane thing to do.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
Really ? There have been a lot of people on TV saying he was down to earth, approachable and kind.
He killed sentient animals for fun.
You need to know no more to know how much he cared or thought about others.
"I can see your Voice" with Paddy McGuinness has just come on. Could a kind soul point me to a Prince Philip tribute show?
Another crap Paddy McGuinness show, sums up terrestrial tv these days.
Actually. I am watching it. Slack jawed in admiration at the cojones of whoever pitched the idea. It really is too bizarre for words. No description could possibly do it justice.
CNN: BBC deluged with complaints over wall-to-wall Prince Philip coverage
Royalists will now be appalled no Prince Philip special coverage on any mainstream channel.
The Hit List on BBC1, Rugby League on BBC2, Catchphrase Celebrity Special on ITV, the news followed by Grand Designs on C4 and Susan Calman's Grand Day Out on C5
Hi HYUFD
A simple I was wrong on television coverage is now required from you and you know what, admitting you are wrong on occasions is very good for the soul
I never said the funeral would definitely not be covered by TV, I said it might not even be televised, so no apology necessary.
However I still think it would have made more sense to have a televised State Memorial Service later in the year post Covid restrictions but that is up to them.
The service next week will be just 30 attendees, almost all royal family plus the PM and Archbishop of Canterbury who will do the service, an organist and no more than 8 in the choir
Why would the PM be there? And if he is, why not the Leader of the Opposition as well?
The Daily Mail has the invited funeral attendees as likely to be The Queen, the Prince of Wales, the Duchess of Cornwall, Princess Anne and her husband, the Duke of York and Beatrice and Eugenie and their husbands, the Earl and Countess of Wessex and their 2 children, Zara and Mike Tindall, the Duke of Sussex, Princess Alexandra, the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester, the Duke and Duchess of Kent, Prince and Princess Michael of Kent, the Earl of Snowdon and Lady Sarah Chatto and the Duke's Private Secretary (it had also earlier speculated the PM could take the last place or the Admiral of the Fleet, the PM has now declined to create a space for a member of the royal family).
That is the 30, nobody else will be invited or admitted
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
other than my grandmother learnt from the horrors of war that treating other humans and sentient animals was a humane thing to do.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
Really ? There have been a lot of people on TV saying he was down to earth, approachable and kind.
He killed sentient animals for fun.
You need to know no more to know how much he cared or thought about others.
That says nothing at all. Hunting is a past time right across the globe from Putin to Mandela people do it.
CNN: BBC deluged with complaints over wall-to-wall Prince Philip coverage
Royalists will now be appalled no Prince Philip special coverage on any mainstream channel.
The Hit List on BBC1, Rugby League on BBC2, Catchphrase Celebrity Special on ITV, the news followed by Grand Designs on C4 and Susan Calman's Grand Day Out on C5
Hi HYUFD
A simple I was wrong on television coverage is now required from you and you know what, admitting you are wrong on occasions is very good for the soul
I never said the funeral would definitely not be covered by TV, I said it might not even be televised, so no apology necessary.
However I still think it would have made more sense to have a televised State Memorial Service later in the year post Covid restrictions but that is up to them.
The service next week will be just 30 attendees, almost all royal family plus the PM and Archbishop of Canterbury who will do the service, an organist and no more than 8 in the choir
Why would the PM be there? And if he is, why not the Leader of the Opposition as well?
It's not really Johnson's kind of event. I am struggling to see how a funeral lends itself to the wearing of a hi-viz coat. Got it! Meeting the grave diggers before the service. Johnson could get to drive a JCB too.
Probably a boost to the Conservatives to have elections close to the passing of a Royal Family member - Whe people are discussing the results in four years or whenever the next lot of these elections are, they should bear this in mind perhaps?
The Death boost, following the vaccine boost, who'dve thought it?
"I can see your Voice" with Paddy McGuinness has just come on. Could a kind soul point me to a Prince Philip tribute show?
Another crap Paddy McGuinness show, sums up terrestrial tv these days.
Actually. I am watching it. Slack jawed in admiration at the cojones of whoever pitched the idea. It really is too bizarre for words. No description could possibly do it justice.
Didn't they can that Gordon Ramsey show, the one nobody, including him, understood?
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
other than my grandmother learnt from the horrors of war that treating other humans and sentient animals was a humane thing to do.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
Really ? There have been a lot of people on TV saying he was down to earth, approachable and kind.
He killed sentient animals for fun.
You need to know no more to know how much he cared or thought about others.
That says nothing at all. Hunting is a past time right across the globe from Putin to Mandela people do it.
Yep, but rarely are those people described as progressive.
Killing of sentient animals may happen across the world, the progressives oppose it and don't indulge.
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
other than my grandmother learnt from the horrors of war that treating other humans and sentient animals was a humane thing to do.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
Really ? There have been a lot of people on TV saying he was down to earth, approachable and kind.
He killed sentient animals for fun.
You need to know no more to know how much he cared or thought about others.
As long as those sentient animals weren't humans, I doubt it tells us very much at all.
"I can see your Voice" with Paddy McGuinness has just come on. Could a kind soul point me to a Prince Philip tribute show?
Another crap Paddy McGuinness show, sums up terrestrial tv these days.
Actually. I am watching it. Slack jawed in admiration at the cojones of whoever pitched the idea. It really is too bizarre for words. No description could possibly do it justice.
You'll be asking for more prince philip coverage to liven the evening up
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
other than my grandmother learnt from the horrors of war that treating other humans and sentient animals was a humane thing to do.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
Really ? There have been a lot of people on TV saying he was down to earth, approachable and kind.
He killed sentient animals for fun.
You need to know no more to know how much he cared or thought about others.
As long as those sentient animals weren't humans, I doubt it tells us very much at all.
It tells us a very lot about how he cared for non human animals.
Just read that stark New Yorker article about China, Uighurs and state surveillance by technology. It is 1984, but more sophisticated and sinister, and it is here
There are even echoes of Nazism. This bit struck me:
"In some cases, officials pursued an odd tactic [against Uighur buildings]: miniaturization. In 2018, the grand gatehouse of a mosque in the town of Kargilik was covered with a banner proclaiming, “Love the Party, love the country.” Then the structure was dismantled and rebuilt as an ersatz version of itself, at a quarter the size."
This is racist mockery as a state policy. The Nazis did something like this to Jews in occupied countries, they took Jewish tombstones and turned them into paving stones, so Jews had to walk and drive over them. They used other tombstones to build walls around the ghetto in Krakow
China is a dystopian autocracy, marrying elements of the Khmer Rouge and Nazism, with the economic and technological power of the USA. Terrifying.
This is why we need to be wary of QR codes and their accoutrements.
You got to feel for a country like Hong Kong. They have gone from English Liberty and Common Law.... to this. In a couple of years. Fuck
I wonder if I will ever travel in Hong Kong or China again.
Another scary thought is what China could do with a technology like GPT3 (or 4 or 5). They will get it.
On the other hand we could always use it against THEM, I suppose
When I went to China a few years ago I didn't spring for the extra amount to have a few days in Hong Kong. Wish I had now - sure, I can still go, but it probably won't feel the same as it would have then.
Shame. It was an absolutely marvellous city. Incredible energy, food, pzazz, girls, a Singapore on speed.
And the view of Hong Kong Island at night from Tsim Sha Tsui - peerless. Better than NYC for a sense of electrifying modernity
However, I really think the operative would is "was". Talking to a China-expert friend the other day (goes there all the time, does biz) he felt it would now decline quite fast, as people refuse to work there, or even visit
One would be mad to set foot in Chinese-controlled territory. Too much risk of being taken hostage, as has happened to some Canadians.
It's the same as Iran. Essentially a despotism.
China isn’t one thing or the other. The guiding force of its governance structure is ethno nationalism which gives me the creeps. And this seeps down into chunks of civil society in a way that can be quite jarring and unpleasant even on a brief visit.
But... there are some fascinating aspects. The small town Del Boys now in charge of self made billion dollar empires that run rings round the West. The feel of permanence from a coherent society so old. The glitz. The ambition. The wonder of more than a billion people in relative order. The internationalised multi lingual youth, the strangers who drink and joke with you across language barriers like a lost friend from their hometown that forgot how to speak Mandarin.
But those things are also of course what sets it back. The guangxi system meaning there’s casual disdain for creating economic externalities (or human ones). Globally significant business empires mostly run by old men with no secondary yet alone tertiary education, and their little Prince (and occasional Princess) children with paper credentials and a family name.
The “glitz” riding roughshod over the history. Naked personal ambition driven by accumulation of wealth in a way that would make American capitalists blush. A national ambition for not just economic and military supremacy but cultural and technological too, which is totally under appreciated in Western politics outside the US Republican Party and a few British Tories.
As an international visitor, you can have a mostly bland but comfortable experience in overpriced identikit global hotels and awe at the airport terminal and maglev etc... Or you can go off the beaten track and have a largely (but not totally) unpleasant experience in cities that mostly all look the same through the haze of pollution and the searing cultural homogeneity imposed by the communist party.
I’ve been loads of times all over. Each time I said I wouldn’t mind not going again. Still feel the same way. Would never use my own money to go but will do go if I have to.
What did business and travel writers say about the Reich in the early to mid 30s?
It’s a policy pickle. I concluded a while ago that Nixonism has failed. But so would outright belligerence. All I see left is standing up for our own interests, economies and notions of civilisation and trust that in the end, maybe after we’re all gone here, our vision wins out. A Long Cold War if you will. Step 1 is accepting you’re already in that Cold War, to which I pay thanks to Donald J.
That said, I hope we can (mostly) agree that wall to wall coverage of HMQ for a week when the "transition" occurs would be entirely appropriate.
Not just for us, but for the World.
You don't get historic moments bigger than that. Ever.
Totally agree. It would be a once in 75 years occasion.
Bigger than that. Longest monarch ever, phenomenally effective, universally respected, Queen of the World, head of the commonwealth, overseen the biggest changes in British and world history etc etc etc
Off the scale.
There's a big difference with the death of HMQ, and that it's also when the new guy takes over the top job. So it's two big events in one. There would surely be lots about the new King.
Yes indeed.
It'll also mean some fundamental questions for us and the Commonwealth - which will lead to an uncertain and unstable period, IMHO, and may even feed into global politics.
I feel for Charles actually. Boy oh boy, what an act to follow, and what a challenge.
13 Commonwealth nations became Republics in the Queen's reign let us not forget, out of the 54 Commonwealth nations only 16 still retain the Queen as Head of State and only there will Charles become King.
Nations like Canada are secure anyway both Trudeau as Liberal PM and Conservative Leader of the Opposition O'Toole want to retain the monarchy
Of course you can support the monarchy without being bothered if other countries keep our monarchy as their monarchy.
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
other than my grandmother learnt from the horrors of war that treating other humans and sentient animals was a humane thing to do.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
Really ? There have been a lot of people on TV saying he was down to earth, approachable and kind.
He killed sentient animals for fun.
You need to know no more to know how much he cared or thought about others.
That says nothing at all. Hunting is a past time right across the globe from Putin to Mandela people do it.
Yep, but rarely are those people described as progressive.
Killing of sentient animals may happen across the world, the progressives oppose it and don't indulge.
Nah most progrerssives wave wide moral nostrums about the place and then are as conflicted as the rest of us in the choices they have to make. The only difference is the rest of us dont wallow in self righteousness
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
other than my grandmother learnt from the horrors of war that treating other humans and sentient animals was a humane thing to do.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
Really ? There have been a lot of people on TV saying he was down to earth, approachable and kind.
He killed sentient animals for fun.
You need to know no more to know how much he cared or thought about others.
That says nothing at all. Hunting is a past time right across the globe from Putin to Mandela people do it.
Yep, but rarely are those people described as progressive.
Killing of sentient animals may happen across the world, the progressives oppose it and don't indulge.
Nah most progrerssives wave wide moral nostrums about the place and then are as conflicted as the rest of us in the choices they have to make. The only difference is the rest of us dont wallow in self righteousness
Progressives moan about it, and reassure themselves by only buying meat that was a happy animal when it was murdered
"I can see your Voice" with Paddy McGuinness has just come on. Could a kind soul point me to a Prince Philip tribute show?
Another crap Paddy McGuinness show, sums up terrestrial tv these days.
Actually. I am watching it. Slack jawed in admiration at the cojones of whoever pitched the idea. It really is too bizarre for words. No description could possibly do it justice.
One of the most evil things to have been voided from the bowels of lockdown is surely the unprecedented outpouring of odd gameshows, particularly given that the recycling of a rota of "celebrities" on virtually all of them now seems to be de rigeur* Tonnes of cheap, socially distanced, bilge...
(* Confession: I thought Michael McIntyre's The Wheel was actually quite fun, but I guess even the stopped clock of novelty light entertainment will occasionally be right by chance.)
CNN: BBC deluged with complaints over wall-to-wall Prince Philip coverage
Royalists will now be appalled no Prince Philip special coverage on any mainstream channel.
The Hit List on BBC1, Rugby League on BBC2, Catchphrase Celebrity Special on ITV, the news followed by Grand Designs on C4 and Susan Calman's Grand Day Out on C5
Hi HYUFD
A simple I was wrong on television coverage is now required from you and you know what, admitting you are wrong on occasions is very good for the soul
I never said the funeral would definitely not be covered by TV, I said it might not even be televised, so no apology necessary.
However I still think it would have made more sense to have a televised State Memorial Service later in the year post Covid restrictions but that is up to them.
The service next week will be just 30 attendees, almost all royal family plus the PM and Archbishop of Canterbury who will do the service, an organist and no more than 8 in the choir
Why would the PM be there? And if he is, why not the Leader of the Opposition as well?
The Daily Mail has the invited funeral attendees as likely to be The Queen, the Prince of Wales, the Duchess of Cornwall, Princess Anne and her husband, the Duke of York and Beatrice and Eugenie and their husbands, the Earl and Countess of Wessex and their 2 children, Zara and Mike Tindall, the Duke of Sussex, Princess Alexandra, the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester, the Duke and Duchess of Kent, Prince and Princess Michael of Kent, the Earl of Snowdon and Lady Sarah Chatto and the Duke's Private Secretary (it had also earlier speculated the PM could take the last place or the Admiral of the Fleet, the PM has now declined to create a space for a member of the royal family).
That is the 30, nobody else will be invited or admitted
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
other than my grandmother learnt from the horrors of war that treating other humans and sentient animals was a humane thing to do.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
Really ? There have been a lot of people on TV saying he was down to earth, approachable and kind.
He killed sentient animals for fun.
You need to know no more to know how much he cared or thought about others.
That says nothing at all. Hunting is a past time right across the globe from Putin to Mandela people do it.
Yep, but rarely are those people described as progressive.
Killing of sentient animals may happen across the world, the progressives oppose it and don't indulge.
Nah most progrerssives wave wide moral nostrums about the place and then are as conflicted as the rest of us in the choices they have to make. The only difference is the rest of us dont wallow in self righteousness
Progressives moan about it, and reassure themselves by only buying meat that was a happy animal when it was murdered
What a weird thing to post.
There’s a clear moral difference between hunting to eat and hunting for fun.
Although I admit the difference isn’t as huge as some like to pretend.
But hey, may as well get a “LOL at the wokeists” comment in whilst you can.
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
other than my grandmother learnt from the horrors of war that treating other humans and sentient animals was a humane thing to do.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
Really ? There have been a lot of people on TV saying he was down to earth, approachable and kind.
He killed sentient animals for fun.
You need to know no more to know how much he cared or thought about others.
That says nothing at all. Hunting is a past time right across the globe from Putin to Mandela people do it.
Yep, but rarely are those people described as progressive.
Killing of sentient animals may happen across the world, the progressives oppose it and don't indulge.
Nah most progrerssives wave wide moral nostrums about the place and then are as conflicted as the rest of us in the choices they have to make. The only difference is the rest of us dont wallow in self righteousness
Presumably it is only the self righteous who are horrified by this article and the progressives will justify these kinds of actions ?
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
other than my grandmother learnt from the horrors of war that treating other humans and sentient animals was a humane thing to do.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
Really ? There have been a lot of people on TV saying he was down to earth, approachable and kind.
He killed sentient animals for fun.
You need to know no more to know how much he cared or thought about others.
That says nothing at all. Hunting is a past time right across the globe from Putin to Mandela people do it.
Yep, but rarely are those people described as progressive.
Killing of sentient animals may happen across the world, the progressives oppose it and don't indulge.
Nah most progrerssives wave wide moral nostrums about the place and then are as conflicted as the rest of us in the choices they have to make. The only difference is the rest of us dont wallow in self righteousness
Progressives moan about it, and reassure themselves by only buying meat that was a happy animal when it was murdered
What a weird thing to post.
There’s a clear moral difference between hunting to eat and hunting for fun.
Although I admit the difference isn’t as huge as some like to pretend.
But hey, may as well get a “LOL at the wokeists” comment in whilst you can.
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
other than my grandmother learnt from the horrors of war that treating other humans and sentient animals was a humane thing to do.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
Really ? There have been a lot of people on TV saying he was down to earth, approachable and kind.
He killed sentient animals for fun.
You need to know no more to know how much he cared or thought about others.
That says nothing at all. Hunting is a past time right across the globe from Putin to Mandela people do it.
Yep, but rarely are those people described as progressive.
Killing of sentient animals may happen across the world, the progressives oppose it and don't indulge.
Nah most progrerssives wave wide moral nostrums about the place and then are as conflicted as the rest of us in the choices they have to make. The only difference is the rest of us dont wallow in self righteousness
Presumably it is only the self righteous who are horrified by this article and the progressives will justify these kinds of actions ?
That said, I hope we can (mostly) agree that wall to wall coverage of HMQ for a week when the "transition" occurs would be entirely appropriate.
Not just for us, but for the World.
You don't get historic moments bigger than that. Ever.
Not the WORLD. C'mon.
She's head of state of Australia, Canada, New Zealand as well as 3 pacific and much of the west Indies, was head of state of Sri Lanka for 20 years, head of state of Pakistan for 4 years, South Africa for 9 - a link both to a past era and Britain's extended hinterland in the world. She's probably the most important historical figure currently living on the entire planet from a historical and geographical perspective. Her death will be monumentally huge globally.
Exactly. Only aliens landing could beat it.
When the aliens land, they still should only devote BBC1 to covering it. There will still be people expecting to see Masterchef on BBC2.
You've done a funny!
I'm impressed.
If aliens did land, personally I wouldn't be gawping at the TV all day about it. It's not really my thing. I can appreciate it would be very momentous, but I'd become apprised of the salient facts via PB and people I know in due course. It's very 1960's to be glued to the screen waiting for someone to tell you what to think.
That's why I don't really mind the wall to wall Prince Phillip, because I don't really watch it. I am a Royalist and I am interested in his life, but no more interested than I was before he died.
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
other than my grandmother learnt from the horrors of war that treating other humans and sentient animals was a humane thing to do.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
Really ? There have been a lot of people on TV saying he was down to earth, approachable and kind.
He killed sentient animals for fun.
You need to know no more to know how much he cared or thought about others.
That says nothing at all. Hunting is a past time right across the globe from Putin to Mandela people do it.
Yep, but rarely are those people described as progressive.
Killing of sentient animals may happen across the world, the progressives oppose it and don't indulge.
Nah most progrerssives wave wide moral nostrums about the place and then are as conflicted as the rest of us in the choices they have to make. The only difference is the rest of us dont wallow in self righteousness
Presumably it is only the self righteous who are horrified by this article and the progressives will justify these kinds of actions ?
From watching films of Philip, it's obvious he was an incredibly modern and forward-thinking person when he first joined the royal family.
I don’t think his most vehement critics quite get that for a nonegenarian, he was pretty progressive.
Didn't he hunt animals ?
yes and ate beef, fish and chicken.
Hunted animals for fun.
Something rarely described as progressive.
Depends on your definition of progressive, middle class wankers insisting everyone should think as they do isnt progress.
Indeed
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
Not at all. Progress depends where you start from. The 1920s had a different set of priorities.
Yep
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
The progressive Nazi party were also big on animal welfare in 1930s Germany. was she in the Bund deurscher Maedl by any chance ?
No
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
so a bit lie Prince Philip then an immigrant from a German family who called Blighty home
other than my grandmother learnt from the horrors of war that treating other humans and sentient animals was a humane thing to do.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
Really ? There have been a lot of people on TV saying he was down to earth, approachable and kind.
He killed sentient animals for fun.
You need to know no more to know how much he cared or thought about others.
That says nothing at all. Hunting is a past time right across the globe from Putin to Mandela people do it.
Yep, but rarely are those people described as progressive.
Killing of sentient animals may happen across the world, the progressives oppose it and don't indulge.
Nah most progrerssives wave wide moral nostrums about the place and then are as conflicted as the rest of us in the choices they have to make. The only difference is the rest of us dont wallow in self righteousness
Presumably it is only the self righteous who are horrified by this article and the progressives will justify these kinds of actions ?
"I can see your Voice" with Paddy McGuinness has just come on. Could a kind soul point me to a Prince Philip tribute show?
Another crap Paddy McGuinness show, sums up terrestrial tv these days.
Actually. I am watching it. Slack jawed in admiration at the cojones of whoever pitched the idea. It really is too bizarre for words. No description could possibly do it justice.
One of the most evil things to have been voided from the bowels of lockdown is surely the unprecedented outpouring of odd gameshows, particularly given that the recycling of a rota of "celebrities" on virtually all of them now seems to be de rigeur* Tonnes of cheap, socially distanced, bilge...
(* Confession: I thought Michael McIntyre's The Wheel was actually quite fun, but I guess even the stopped clock of novelty light entertainment will occasionally be right by chance.)
Indeed. We have Amanda Holden and Jimmy Carr (Who seem to have spent lockdown bubbling with a bored plastic surgeon) and 2 others I don't recognise, trying to guess who can sing just by looking at them. I think that's what's happening...
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The Hit List on BBC1, Rugby League on BBC2, Catchphrase Celebrity Special on ITV, the news followed by Grand Designs on C4 and Susan Calman's Grand Day Out on C5
It's the same as Iran. Essentially a despotism.
Yet I was assured on PB that the response was reasonable.
Each time I thought it was possibly the greatest place in the world. It's horrible to think what's happening to it now.
CON: 4,491
LAB: 4,309
LDM: 3,417
GRN: 2,707
RFM: 271
TUSC: 232
UKIP: 121
FAL: 94
SDP: 66
FBM: 53
YSP: 42
LIB: 37
WPGB: 29
HER: 26
WEP: 20
MK: 19
VPP: 18
NEP: 17
LBT: 10
MRLP: 10
Seriously weak showing by RefUK. What pressure can they put on anyone if they cannot even put up a half decent number of candidates.
As Black Rook says, the Greens are really going for it. They've certainly also done well in some of my area at finding candidates for town councils, when even the big three appear to have struggled. If the Greens are getting people engaged with local democracy all the better.
12pm - Homes Under the Philip
1pm - A Philip in the Sun
2pm - Come Dine with Philip
3pm - Escape to the Philip
4pm - Tiphiliping Point
5pm - 5 O’Clock Philip
6pm - Philip & Philip’s Saturday Night Takeaway
9pm - Only Fools and Philip
11pm - Match of the Philip
12am - Philip Does Dallas
One of the few flaws is the climate. Very humid in summer
Yet now the jackboot of Beijing. Sad
This would have worked if the Chinese government could be trusted. Unfortunately, when their system cracked and resulted in them being led by an unstable bloodthirsty lunatic like Xi, it was always going to end badly.
Something rarely described as progressive.
It doesn't mean you're right.
And what would the dead opposite signify iyo?
OK I'm off to buy some dinner
So the idea to claim he was progressive in the first place was probably a mistake to claim wasn't it ?
It'll also mean some fundamental questions for us and the Commonwealth - which will lead to an uncertain and unstable period, IMHO, and may even feed into global politics.
I feel for Charles actually. Boy oh boy, what an act to follow, and what a challenge.
Which, especially given the last year, has rather more sense to it than hostility to Israel.
That sounds a bit morbid, but it is a point, isn’t it?
Which puts me in mind of:
https://tinyurl.com/2hxuv47y
My now deceased grandmother was born and educated in Nazi Germany.
She was able to progress and understand that sentient animals are able to suffer physical and emotional pain and acted accordingly.
She progressed in her mind despite what the 20's and 30's threw at her.
I'm impressed.
Any good Republican hopes the queen’s passing triggers an existential bout of national self doubt that ends with the downfall of the monarchy.
A monarchist thinks it will be Keep Calm and Carry On. I don’t have to prostrate myself in grief to be a monarchist.
A simple I was wrong on television coverage is now required from you and you know what, admitting you are wrong on occasions is very good for the soul
On topic, the Government announcement last week ending the right of local authorities to hold decision making meetings remotely (by not adding the exemption to the renewed Covid legislation) had the Perhaps predictable effect of doing the one thing central Government does so well - uniting local Government in opposition.
Such left-wing firebrand radical authorities as Surrey and Hertfordshire have led the opposition which led to a court challenge instigated by those well known Marxists, the Local Government Association seeking a judicial review of the earlier decision.
This led to that well- known doyen of firm inflexibility, Robert Jenrick, to announce he was going to support the legal challenge against his own Government.
Okay - interesting to see where this goes.
Now, @david_herdson will argue, with some conviction, Epping Forest Town Hall isn't Westminster and it's fair to say the politics of local Government and Westminster are two very different beasts but I can't agree with the principle (however lofty) that somehow, in terms of social distancing and the like, Westminster can and should be exempt.
Some local authority meetings in lockdown have been entertaining, the vast majority are however as dull remotely as they are in person. Once restrictions are lifted, it should be up to each Council how it wishes to conduct its meetings - there's an argument for full Council meetings to be held in person but as long as the public has the same rights of access to remote meetings as it does to physical meetings I don't see why remote meetings cannot continue.
Further, I'd argue the time and cost of attending a possibly distant Town or Shire Hall might put some off getting more involved in local politics - offsetting that might encourage more participation.
If they'd waited another 10 years we'd have been too wrapped into them to ever escape; like the supercomputer that sucks people in and cyborgs them in Superman 3.
Too young
Although her father was a brown shirt and popular within the Nazi party and brother died aged 18 or 19 at the siege of Stalingrad, having been shot in the knee he froze to death.
She moved to England in 1946 unable to speak any English and was able to learn about the world through a very different lens to that she was brought up to look through, one that in the 40's realised that whilst she was an omnivore she wanted as little suffering as possible for all humans and all animals given the horrors she had witnessed in Germany,
Interesting to see the relatively small decline in BBC viewing figures last evening compared to the BBC2 and ITV numbers.
I suspect it illustrates, for all the anti-BBC vitriol espoused by some on here on a regular basis, at times of national drama or emergency, there's an almost instinctive, nay visceral, desire to turn back to the comforting reliable tones of Auntie.
The family that made it through the war were occupied by the English.
Those who remained in Germany absolutely hated the English until the day they died given how badly they felt the English treated them in the months and years after the war ended.
At best the BBC is troubled. However it is my personal lifeline.
Is it short for HRH???
Plus, there might be issues under the Public Order and Offences Against the Person Acts.
Phil seemed to skip the idea that treating every creature as kindly as possible even after what he went through was a good idea. Not progressive.
Could a kind soul point me to a Prince Philip tribute show?
However I still think it would have made more sense to have a televised State Memorial Service later in the year post Covid restrictions but that is up to them.
The service next week will be just 30 attendees, almost all royal family plus the PM and Archbishop of Canterbury who will do the service, an organist and no more than 8 in the choir
Always say Wilhelmshaven, but that is where I was brought up.
They had a Polish slave who helped around their property, during the war they were brainwashed to think that Polish slaves were happy with their lives as they had been given the chance to live in the heart of the Reich.
OK, one can perhaps plausibly argue that attempts to get councillors back to proper meetings have jumped the gun a little, but the point at which they really ought to be doing so is not that far away now. Assuming that the vaccination timetable proceeds as planned, by August Bank Holiday all adults should've had at least one jab plus the requisite time for it to work. After that there's no excuse for trying to keep hobbling along doing politics on Zoom.
Anybody who's still too frightened to leave the house after that can quit.
Nations like Canada are secure anyway both Trudeau as Liberal PM and Conservative Leader of the Opposition O'Toole want to retain the monarchy
You need to know no more to know how much he cared or thought about others.
You could always try iPlayer?
Slack jawed in admiration at the cojones of whoever pitched the idea.
It really is too bizarre for words. No description could possibly do it justice.
That is the 30, nobody else will be invited or admitted
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9457035/Prince-Philips-funeral-Saturday-Meghan-advised-doctors-not-travel.html
The Death boost, following the vaccine boost, who'dve thought it?
Killing of sentient animals may happen across the world, the progressives oppose it and don't indulge.
But... there are some fascinating aspects. The small town Del Boys now in charge of self made billion dollar empires that run rings round the West. The feel of permanence from a coherent society so old. The glitz. The ambition. The wonder of more than a billion people in relative order. The internationalised multi lingual youth, the strangers who drink and joke with you across language barriers like a lost friend from their hometown that forgot how to speak Mandarin.
But those things are also of course what sets it back. The guangxi system meaning there’s casual disdain for creating economic externalities (or human ones). Globally significant business empires mostly run by old men with no secondary yet alone tertiary education, and their little Prince (and occasional Princess) children with paper credentials and a family name.
The “glitz” riding roughshod over the history. Naked personal ambition driven by accumulation of wealth in a way that would make American capitalists blush. A national ambition for not just economic and military supremacy but cultural and technological too, which is totally under appreciated in Western politics outside the US Republican Party and a few British Tories.
As an international visitor, you can have a mostly bland but comfortable experience in overpriced identikit global hotels and awe at the airport terminal and maglev etc... Or you can go off the beaten track and have a largely (but not totally) unpleasant experience in cities that mostly all look the same through the haze of pollution and the searing cultural homogeneity imposed by the communist party.
I’ve been loads of times all over. Each time I said I wouldn’t mind not going again. Still feel the same way. Would never use my own money to go but will do go if I have to.
What did business and travel writers say about the Reich in the early to mid 30s?
It’s a policy pickle. I concluded a while ago that Nixonism has failed. But so would outright belligerence. All I see left is standing up for our own interests, economies and notions of civilisation and trust that in the end, maybe after we’re all gone here, our vision wins out. A Long Cold War if you will. Step 1 is accepting you’re already in that Cold War, to which I pay thanks to Donald J.
(* Confession: I thought Michael McIntyre's The Wheel was actually quite fun, but I guess even the stopped clock of novelty light entertainment will occasionally be right by chance.)
There’s a clear moral difference between hunting to eat and hunting for fun.
Although I admit the difference isn’t as huge as some like to pretend.
But hey, may as well get a “LOL at the wokeists” comment in whilst you can.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gorton-cat-killer-dead-animals-20360402
That's why I don't really mind the wall to wall Prince Phillip, because I don't really watch it. I am a Royalist and I am interested in his life, but no more interested than I was before he died.
Its the same mentality.
I think that's what's happening...