When there is an inquiry, it needs to include THE SCIENTISTS, who were so often wrong, and so badly wrong.
Many of the disasters of our anti-Covid campaign are down to them, not the politicians, starting with the boffins' asinine and obsessive belief that this was a new version of Flu, AKA Fighting the Last War
Enquiries are largely a waste of money why bother. When was the last enquiry that ever made a difference?
The Hillsborough Panel, The Saville Inquiry, and undoubtedly the Chilcot one, it shredded Blair's reputation officially and comprehensively.
And they changed absolutely nothing.....so again I ask why bother?
Football changed forever after hillsborough. All seater stadia led to a much more family oriented environment including, horror, women. Football became cool (Italia 90, skinner and baddiel etc). I can’t say for sure that was a result of the inquiry, but certainly played a part.
That though happened before the inquiry I believe and was a reaction to hillsborough itself.
Pretty sure all seater stadia is directly from the report.
FPT: curtain-twitching is, sadly, in human nature.
It was one of the most depressing things I read in the Museum of Occupation in Jersey: hundreds and hundreds of neighbours across the island gleefully shopped their neighbours - anonymously, of course - to the Nazi authorities for infractions of the rules. So much so that the pettiness of it all managed to disgust the Nazis.
Entertaining as it is to play the game of "What was the greatest mistake made in the pandemic?" - Was it Sunak in the briefing room with Gupta & Co.? Perhaps Shapps in the ministry which seems to be a magnet for our most hilariously inept MPs - I wonder whether a more interesting question for an inquiry to consider is to work out how we managed not to do everything wrong, and see what we can do to learn from those successes?
The REACT treatment studies, and the vaccine procurement seem to be the two, genuinely world-leading, successes of the pandemic for Britain, which is a higher success rate then I would have expected a year ago. We could benefit enormously by reinforcing these successes, in a way that we failed to do with computing at the end of WWII, say.
I'm not surprised by the REACT success (or the creation of REACT). We've got excellent trials and epidemiology research here and also pretty good funding for it. I was surprised by the vaccine procurement/support success.
But, good points. The inquiry should look at everything, what was good as well as what was bad.
When there is an inquiry, it needs to include THE SCIENTISTS, who were so often wrong, and so badly wrong.
Many of the disasters of our anti-Covid campaign are down to them, not the politicians, starting with the boffins' asinine and obsessive belief that this was a new version of Flu, AKA Fighting the Last War
Enquiries are largely a waste of money why bother. When was the last enquiry that ever made a difference?
The Hillsborough Panel, The Saville Inquiry, and undoubtedly the Chilcot one, it shredded Blair's reputation officially and comprehensively.
And they changed absolutely nothing.....so again I ask why bother?
Football changed forever after hillsborough. All seater stadia led to a much more family oriented environment including, horror, women. Football became cool (Italia 90, skinner and baddiel etc). I can’t say for sure that was a result of the inquiry, but certainly played a part.
That though happened before the inquiry I believe and was a reaction to hillsborough itself.
Pretty sure all seater stadia is directly from the report.
I presume the reference is to the Taylor Report of 1990, not the later Hillsborough Independent Panel.
We were discussing inquiries, the taylor report wasn't an inquiry
Really?
The "Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry report" wasn't an inquiry?
What was the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry report then if the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry report was not an inquiry?
As I pointed out the taylor report took 31 days. It wasn't what we think of as an inquiry which always to seem to take years and come to the conclusion that really people cant be blamed for anything
It was undeniably an inquiry though. I mean the clue is literally in the name, it was the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry.
Perhaps an inquiry into inquiries could determine that inquiries work best if they're short and to the point, but to claim it wasn't one is just weird.
When there is an inquiry, it needs to include THE SCIENTISTS, who were so often wrong, and so badly wrong.
Many of the disasters of our anti-Covid campaign are down to them, not the politicians, starting with the boffins' asinine and obsessive belief that this was a new version of Flu, AKA Fighting the Last War
The scientists who laid the groundwork for vaccine development, with the pharmaceutical industry, well before politicians got interested, and when the clown did want to get involved, read him the riot act and told him to stay well away from it to avoid another f**k up like the PPE procurement. Those scientists?
These scientists
"Coronavirus: Wearing face masks makes no difference to spread of disease, insists UK medical chief, Jonathan Van Tam"
I am sure that facemasks are helpful. If worn properly. But it's notable that a lot more people died in the UK after we started wearing facemasks than before - so they clearly were not the most important failing. There were more important failings that need to be identified.
Anti-masking is just the most obvious mistake, which is why I cite it, as there are quotes which are provable bollocks
Much more important was the inability to see that what was happening in Asia was a reaction to a respiratory disease somewhat unlike flu, a disease which spread asymptomatically, making it peculiarly dangerous.
This, to me, was obvious by about mid February. You just had to read the science (which was already being relayed by news outlets). Somehow it seemed to escape the British Establishment (scientific and political) until mid March.
The failure to identify and focus on the real significant risks, particularly risks that could lead to clusters/superspreading events from the virus has always seemed to me the most serious failing.
The scientists/politicians seem to have spent large parts of the last year officially advocating a virus control strategy whilst urging measures based on a zero Covid strategy. The point being that the former focusses on risk factors that significantly impact on (super) spread of the disease, whereas the latter focusses on an and all theoretical risk factors.
With the fundamental problem of failing to recognise that if you focus on low risk activities (but where imposed restrictions are quite enforceable) you massively push people towards higher risk activities that aren't enforceable. In simplistic terms, ban people from congregating outside in a park, and they meet inside in a private dwelling instead. Even to some extent - ban people from meeting in pubs under controlled conditions, and they meet in private dwellings in uncontrolled conditions.
I still wonder what it is that Japan, in particular, have been doing that couldn't have been done here - assuming no level of underlying immunity that put them on a different path. And whether the Government have investigated this and considered whether it could be replicated here.
When there is an inquiry, it needs to include THE SCIENTISTS, who were so often wrong, and so badly wrong.
Many of the disasters of our anti-Covid campaign are down to them, not the politicians, starting with the boffins' asinine and obsessive belief that this was a new version of Flu, AKA Fighting the Last War
Enquiries are largely a waste of money why bother. When was the last enquiry that ever made a difference?
The Hillsborough Panel, The Saville Inquiry, and undoubtedly the Chilcot one, it shredded Blair's reputation officially and comprehensively.
And they changed absolutely nothing.....so again I ask why bother?
Football changed forever after hillsborough. All seater stadia led to a much more family oriented environment including, horror, women. Football became cool (Italia 90, skinner and baddiel etc). I can’t say for sure that was a result of the inquiry, but certainly played a part.
That though happened before the inquiry I believe and was a reaction to hillsborough itself.
Pretty sure all seater stadia is directly from the report.
I presume the reference is to the Taylor Report of 1990, not the later Hillsborough Independent Panel.
We were discussing inquiries, the taylor report wasn't an inquiry
Really?
The "Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry report" wasn't an inquiry?
What was the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry report then if the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry report was not an inquiry?
As I pointed out the taylor report took 31 days. It wasn't what we think of as an inquiry which always to seem to take years and come to the conclusion that really people cant be blamed for anything
It was undeniably an inquiry though. I mean the clue is literally in the name, it was the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry.
Perhaps an inquiry into inquiries could determine that inquiries work best if they're short and to the point, but to claim it wasn't one is just weird.
I sort of meant there are inquiries and there are inquiries......the ones we seem to have these days always spend millions, take years and come to the conclusion no one is really to blame it was the system. Taylor was probably the last of those unlike that. Hell just have to look at grenfell to see what I mean, or chilcot, or bloody sunday etc. The taylor one was 30 years ago we seem to have lost the knack at I have no doubt a corona virus inquiry would take years , cost millions and satisfy no one and find no real faults except "systems could have been better"
When there is an inquiry, it needs to include THE SCIENTISTS, who were so often wrong, and so badly wrong.
Many of the disasters of our anti-Covid campaign are down to them, not the politicians, starting with the boffins' asinine and obsessive belief that this was a new version of Flu, AKA Fighting the Last War
Enquiries are largely a waste of money why bother. When was the last enquiry that ever made a difference?
The Hillsborough Panel, The Saville Inquiry, and undoubtedly the Chilcot one, it shredded Blair's reputation officially and comprehensively.
And they changed absolutely nothing.....so again I ask why bother?
Football changed forever after hillsborough. All seater stadia led to a much more family oriented environment including, horror, women. Football became cool (Italia 90, skinner and baddiel etc). I can’t say for sure that was a result of the inquiry, but certainly played a part.
That though happened before the inquiry I believe and was a reaction to hillsborough itself.
Pretty sure all seater stadia is directly from the report.
I presume the reference is to the Taylor Report of 1990, not the later Hillsborough Independent Panel.
We were discussing inquiries, the taylor report wasn't an inquiry
Really?
The "Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry report" wasn't an inquiry?
What was the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry report then if the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry report was not an inquiry?
As I pointed out the taylor report took 31 days. It wasn't what we think of as an inquiry which always to seem to take years and come to the conclusion that really people cant be blamed for anything
It was undeniably an inquiry though. I mean the clue is literally in the name, it was the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry.
Perhaps an inquiry into inquiries could determine that inquiries work best if they're short and to the point, but to claim it wasn't one is just weird.
The greatest "advantage" the Hillsborough inquiry/Taylor report (assuming you support its outcome) had was that it was commissioned by a Government keen for it to advocate change. Hillsborough gave them a route into/mandate for football reforms that they would never have had otherwise. It is an interesting question as to whether it genuinely "learnt lessons and made consequential recommendations", as opposed to "proposed things that the Government were very keen on doing anyway". It was a report where the Government could genuinely claim to be largely blameless for the events that led to it, and therefore had no minefield to tread between impartial "lesson learning" and being accused of a Government whitewash.
I thought the consensus here was they meant a private exchange of vows they took to be their wedding and not literal signing of documents and ceremony?
When there is an inquiry, it needs to include THE SCIENTISTS, who were so often wrong, and so badly wrong.
Many of the disasters of our anti-Covid campaign are down to them, not the politicians, starting with the boffins' asinine and obsessive belief that this was a new version of Flu, AKA Fighting the Last War
Enquiries are largely a waste of money why bother. When was the last enquiry that ever made a difference?
The Hillsborough Panel, The Saville Inquiry, and undoubtedly the Chilcot one, it shredded Blair's reputation officially and comprehensively.
And they changed absolutely nothing.....so again I ask why bother?
Football changed forever after hillsborough. All seater stadia led to a much more family oriented environment including, horror, women. Football became cool (Italia 90, skinner and baddiel etc). I can’t say for sure that was a result of the inquiry, but certainly played a part.
That though happened before the inquiry I believe and was a reaction to hillsborough itself.
Pretty sure all seater stadia is directly from the report.
I presume the reference is to the Taylor Report of 1990, not the later Hillsborough Independent Panel.
We were discussing inquiries, the taylor report wasn't an inquiry
Really?
The "Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry report" wasn't an inquiry?
What was the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry report then if the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry report was not an inquiry?
As I pointed out the taylor report took 31 days. It wasn't what we think of as an inquiry which always to seem to take years and come to the conclusion that really people cant be blamed for anything
That because you’ve been trained to believe that inquiries must last forever, and are designed not to come up with awkward conclusions. A not entirely unreasonable belief on the balance of evidence.
That’s why the terms of the inquiry, who will conduct it and what is their remit, need as much, or more scrutiny than its final report.
An enquiry might find that the government made some mistakes but if the British people chose to elect a clown like Johnson they must accept their responsibility.
When there is an inquiry, it needs to include THE SCIENTISTS, who were so often wrong, and so badly wrong.
Many of the disasters of our anti-Covid campaign are down to them, not the politicians, starting with the boffins' asinine and obsessive belief that this was a new version of Flu, AKA Fighting the Last War
Enquiries are largely a waste of money why bother. When was the last enquiry that ever made a difference?
The Hillsborough Panel, The Saville Inquiry, and undoubtedly the Chilcot one, it shredded Blair's reputation officially and comprehensively.
And they changed absolutely nothing.....so again I ask why bother?
Football changed forever after hillsborough. All seater stadia led to a much more family oriented environment including, horror, women. Football became cool (Italia 90, skinner and baddiel etc). I can’t say for sure that was a result of the inquiry, but certainly played a part.
That though happened before the inquiry I believe and was a reaction to hillsborough itself.
Pretty sure all seater stadia is directly from the report.
I presume the reference is to the Taylor Report of 1990, not the later Hillsborough Independent Panel.
We were discussing inquiries, the taylor report wasn't an inquiry
Really?
The "Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry report" wasn't an inquiry?
What was the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry report then if the Hillsborough Stadium Disaster Inquiry report was not an inquiry?
As I pointed out the taylor report took 31 days. It wasn't what we think of as an inquiry which always to seem to take years and come to the conclusion that really people cant be blamed for anything
That because you’ve been trained to believe that inquiries must last forever, and are designed not to come up with awkward conclusions. A not entirely unreasonable belief on the balance of evidence.
That’s why the terms of the inquiry, who will conduct it and what is their remit, need as much, or more scrutiny than its final report.
Not so much trained as come to the conclusion that any inquiry starts with the conclusion its meant to reach then finds evidence to support it
I thought the consensus here was they meant a private exchange of vows they took to be their wedding and not literal signing of documents and ceremony?
Even if that was the case they must be totally thick to think that makes them married. I could go out and exchange vows with a random girl on the street doesn't make me married to them
An enquiry might find that the government made some mistakes but if the British people chose to elect a clown like Johnson they must accept their responsibility.
If Johnson is such a clown how come one year after lockdown started his country is performing better today than any other country in Europe, bar none?
Why are there no excess deaths and minimal cases in this country now, while the rest of Europe is grappling with a third wave?
What does it say about every other 🤡 leading every other nation? Or maybe the British didn't elect a clown?
The former president and first lady, Melania Trump, have launched a website to serve their personal offices. The website, 45office.com, comes after Trump's ban from social media sites in the aftermath of the January Capitol insurrection.
The site features a lengthy biography for the former president that starts, "Donald J. Trump launched the most extraordinary political movement in history, dethroning political dynasties, defeating the Washington Establishment, and becoming the first true outsider elected as President of the United States."
I thought the consensus here was they meant a private exchange of vows they took to be their wedding and not literal signing of documents and ceremony?
Even if that was the case they must be totally thick to think that makes them married. I could go out and exchange vows with a random girl on the street doesn't make me married to them
I thought the consensus here was they meant a private exchange of vows they took to be their wedding and not literal signing of documents and ceremony?
Even if that was the case they must be totally thick to think that makes them married. I could go out and exchange vows with a random girl on the street doesn't make me married to them
An enquiry might find that the government made some mistakes but if the British people chose to elect a clown like Johnson they must accept their responsibility.
If Johnson is such a clown how come one year after lockdown started his country is performing better today than any other country in Europe, bar none?
Why are there no excess deaths and minimal cases in this country now, while the rest of Europe is grappling with a third wave?
What does it say about every other 🤡 leading every other nation? Or maybe the British didn't elect a clown?
He’s a clown, but the British aren’t and succeed despite him.
I thought the consensus here was they meant a private exchange of vows they took to be their wedding and not literal signing of documents and ceremony?
Even if that was the case they must be totally thick to think that makes them married. I could go out and exchange vows with a random girl on the street doesn't make me married to them
Again was it meant literally though?
You are either married or you are not. Its not difficult even knuckle draggers on chav estates manage to distinguish between the two states.
I thought the consensus here was they meant a private exchange of vows they took to be their wedding and not literal signing of documents and ceremony?
Even if that was the case they must be totally thick to think that makes them married. I could go out and exchange vows with a random girl on the street doesn't make me married to them
Again was it meant literally though?
It was clearly intended to be meant literally. That's not the same as saying they believed it.
The message being "our love is pure". The whole "official" wedding itself was just a charade we had to play along with because we were prisoners etc etc
An enquiry might find that the government made some mistakes but if the British people chose to elect a clown like Johnson they must accept their responsibility.
If Johnson is such a clown how come one year after lockdown started his country is performing better today than any other country in Europe, bar none?
Why are there no excess deaths and minimal cases in this country now, while the rest of Europe is grappling with a third wave?
What does it say about every other 🤡 leading every other nation? Or maybe the British didn't elect a clown?
He’s a clown, but the British aren’t and succeed despite him.
He has run rings round the clowns as you say in Europe
I thought the consensus here was they meant a private exchange of vows they took to be their wedding and not literal signing of documents and ceremony?
Even if that was the case they must be totally thick to think that makes them married. I could go out and exchange vows with a random girl on the street doesn't make me married to them
Again was it meant literally though?
It was clearly intended to be meant literally. That's not the same as saying they believed it.
The message being "our love is pure". The whole "official" wedding itself was just a charade we had to play along with because we were prisoners etc etc
Why was it clearly?
When it was discussed here at the time many said it was clearly NOT meant literally and probably referred to a personal private ceremony and not the legal wedding.
So the EU is 8 weeks behind us, about 6 weeks behind the USA. The slope is flatter, but seemingly due to supply. It shouldn't be long before they too show the benefits of vaccination.
I thought the consensus here was they meant a private exchange of vows they took to be their wedding and not literal signing of documents and ceremony?
Even if that was the case they must be totally thick to think that makes them married. I could go out and exchange vows with a random girl on the street doesn't make me married to them
Again was it meant literally though?
It was clearly intended to be meant literally. That's not the same as saying they believed it.
The message being "our love is pure". The whole "official" wedding itself was just a charade we had to play along with because we were prisoners etc etc
Why was it clearly?
When it was discussed here at the time many said it was clearly NOT meant literally and probably referred to a personal private ceremony and not the legal wedding.
I suspect the discussion on here was not challenging the impression that it was intended to give. Just speculating (accurately) on what actually happened. As somebody else said, why say it otherwise? (and leave ambiguity in the statement).
They could have said "we exchanged private vows in advance". They actually said "we got married 3 days earlier". Why say the latter unless intended to give a literal impression?
So the EU is 8 weeks behind us, about 6 weeks behind the USA. The slope is flatter, but seemingly due to supply. It shouldn't be long before they too show the benefits of vaccination.
But the eu vaccination will falter as they run out of people willing to actually have the thing
A few weeks ago I did speak to a Tory activist friend about politics and he did identify the one downside to vaccine rollout, the fact it brings forward the inquiry and that presents a danger for Boris johnson, not so much what the inquiry discovers but the make up of it.
You just know Boris Johnson is going to stuff it with people like Stanley Johnson, Charles Moore, Daniel Hannan, Toby Young, a current squeeze, and a load of donors who won PPE contracts.
So from the very start the inquiry is tainted and it damages him there and then as people think what is he hiding to fill it full of partisan hacks.
The inquiry's terms of reference could be focused solely on vaccine provision. That should do the trick.
So the EU is 8 weeks behind us, about 6 weeks behind the USA. The slope is flatter, but seemingly due to supply. It shouldn't be long before they too show the benefits of vaccination.
8 weeks = about 50,000 dead?
Perhaps your timid bleats should be broadcast on eurovision
So the EU is 8 weeks behind us, about 6 weeks behind the USA. The slope is flatter, but seemingly due to supply. It shouldn't be long before they too show the benefits of vaccination.
8 weeks = about 50,000 dead?
Perhaps your timid bleats should be broadcast on eurovision
Why havent we left eurovision yet....that would be a definite benefit of brexit we could point to
I thought the consensus here was they meant a private exchange of vows they took to be their wedding and not literal signing of documents and ceremony?
Even if that was the case they must be totally thick to think that makes them married. I could go out and exchange vows with a random girl on the street doesn't make me married to them
When there is an inquiry, it needs to include THE SCIENTISTS, who were so often wrong, and so badly wrong.
Many of the disasters of our anti-Covid campaign are down to them, not the politicians, starting with the boffins' asinine and obsessive belief that this was a new version of Flu, AKA Fighting the Last War
The scientists who laid the groundwork for vaccine development, with the pharmaceutical industry, well before politicians got interested, and when the clown did want to get involved, read him the riot act and told him to stay well away from it to avoid another f**k up like the PPE procurement. Those scientists?
I thought the consensus here was they meant a private exchange of vows they took to be their wedding and not literal signing of documents and ceremony?
Surely his correct statement that „Jesus war kein weißer Mann“ is about 1000 times more interesting than the minutiae of Ginge n Whinge's marriage vows?
"Not being able to go to a pub because I haven't got the right papers is not a niche interest. It is a fundamental restriction on civil liberties. And what is worse, it isn't scientifically necessary."
"This is still my crumb of comfort. The govt wouldn't be able to do this before, say, November at the earliest. A few months to develop an app. Another month to redevelop an app after the first one fundamentally misunderstands how technology works. A couple of months in the law courts when a crowdfunded JR is brought in. A month trial somewhere (Isle of Wight maybe). By which time the pandemic is over and everyone laughs at the govt for being so stupid to not realise this in the first place."
I'm not sure that I'm taking a lot of comfort from the main thing distinguishing us from Xi's China being that his Devs are better, so their code actually works.
Germans don't understand the concept of April Fools day?
They obviously do else how do you explain von der leyden
On a semi serious note - i explain van der Leyen by Merkel wanting somebody she could control as EU President as the Brexit talks went down to the wire. With the bonus that she got her out of her own Government.
On a non-serious note - how does appointment of van der Leyen show understanding of April Fools day? April fools jokes are supposed to be restricted to, er, April Fools day!
Germans don't understand the concept of April Fools day?
They obviously do else how do you explain von der leyden
On a semi serious note - i explain van der Leyen by Merkel wanting somebody she could control as EU President as the Brexit talks went down to the wire. With the bonus that she got her out of her own Government.
On a non-serious note - how does appointment of van der Leyen show understanding of April Fools day? April fools jokes are supposed to be restricted to, er, April Fools day!
Well they are still getting to grips with the concept
Who knew that one of the consequences of Brexit would be the EU sheltering under the wing of Putin, and seeking constantly to appease China. Quite remarkable
Maybe the UK did have a lot of influence, after all
Our european friends have quite simply lost their minds. Quite incredible.
And yet they really believe it
I was chatting to a senior French investor the other day & he got quite upset when I pointed out that the only risk to the second jab schedule was trusting the EU to not interfere with our contracts
Who knew that one of the consequences of Brexit would be the EU sheltering under the wing of Putin, and seeking constantly to appease China. Quite remarkable
Maybe the UK did have a lot of influence, after all
Our european friends have quite simply lost their minds. Quite incredible.
And yet they really believe it
I was chatting to a senior French investor the other day & he got quite upset when I pointed out that the only risk to the second jab schedule was trusting the EU to not interfere with our contracts
I think a lot of senior EU politicians, particularly in France, simply don't understand the UK dosing strategy, or indeed the whole principle of two dose jabs. They seem to genuinely under the belief that people who fail to meet the 12 week "deadline" (a deadline that was in fact arbitrarily created by the UK with no basis in scientific fact) will cease to have immunity and will have to start the whole vaccination schedule all over again.
Whereas the whole point is that immunity is supposed to decline over time, but the second dose, whether delivered after 4, 12 or even 15 weeks is in all circumstances a booster to protection. If it's left too long, it doesn't simply become a new "first dose".
It should also be pointed out that this is one of the other problems with the mucking about with the recommendations on who should be given each vaccine. They think they're making profound points at how the UK dosing strategy has put us at a risk of not having supplies for the second doses, whilst meanwhile all over the continent they have been giving people first doses of AstraZeneca and then (presumably) saying they can't have a second!
An enquiry might find that the government made some mistakes but if the British people chose to elect a clown like Johnson they must accept their responsibility.
If Johnson is such a clown how come one year after lockdown started his country is performing better today than any other country in Europe, bar none?
Why are there no excess deaths and minimal cases in this country now, while the rest of Europe is grappling with a third wave?
What does it say about every other 🤡 leading every other nation? Or maybe the British didn't elect a clown?
He’s a clown, but the British aren’t and succeed despite him.
So the British sourced their own vaccines without Boris's government getting involved? 🤔
If you genuinely think that then you are the clown not Boris.
Who knew that one of the consequences of Brexit would be the EU sheltering under the wing of Putin, and seeking constantly to appease China. Quite remarkable
Maybe the UK did have a lot of influence, after all
Our european friends have quite simply lost their minds. Quite incredible.
And yet they really believe it
I was chatting to a senior French investor the other day & he got quite upset when I pointed out that the only risk to the second jab schedule was trusting the EU to not interfere with our contracts
I think a lot of senior EU politicians, particularly in France, simply don't understand the UK dosing strategy, or indeed the whole principle of two dose jabs. They seem to genuinely under the belief that people who fail to meet the 12 week "deadline" (a deadline that was in fact arbitrarily created by the UK with no basis in scientific fact) will cease to have immunity and will have to start the whole vaccination schedule all over again.
Whereas the whole point is that immunity is supposed to decline over time, but the second dose, whether delivered after 4, 12 or even 15 weeks is in all circumstances a booster to protection. If it's left too long, it doesn't simply become a new "first dose".
The entire pandemic has exposed the utter stupidity of European elites. First, it was us, sadly, in the UK. No getting round it, we made some calamitous decisions which have given us one of the highest death tolls in Europe
But since the vaccines arrived, it has been the EU and its member states, time and again making catastrophic errors, often unforced and inexplicable
It is reminiscent of World War One, when - as now - all of Europe went, apparently, quite quite mad
Who knew that one of the consequences of Brexit would be the EU sheltering under the wing of Putin, and seeking constantly to appease China. Quite remarkable
Maybe the UK did have a lot of influence, after all
Our european friends have quite simply lost their minds. Quite incredible.
And yet they really believe it
I was chatting to a senior French investor the other day & he got quite upset when I pointed out that the only risk to the second jab schedule was trusting the EU to not interfere with our contracts
Better was the reported comment of the (French) ceo of AZN that dealing with the French was impossible as they were being utterly irrational.
Who knew that one of the consequences of Brexit would be the EU sheltering under the wing of Putin, and seeking constantly to appease China. Quite remarkable
Maybe the UK did have a lot of influence, after all
Our european friends have quite simply lost their minds. Quite incredible.
And yet they really believe it
I was chatting to a senior French investor the other day & he got quite upset when I pointed out that the only risk to the second jab schedule was trusting the EU to not interfere with our contracts
I think a lot of senior EU politicians, particularly in France, simply don't understand the UK dosing strategy, or indeed the whole principle of two dose jabs. They seem to genuinely under the belief that people who fail to meet the 12 week "deadline" (a deadline that was in fact arbitrarily created by the UK with no basis in scientific fact) will cease to have immunity and will have to start the whole vaccination schedule all over again.
Whereas the whole point is that immunity is supposed to decline over time, but the second dose, whether delivered after 4, 12 or even 15 weeks is in all circumstances a booster to protection. If it's left too long, it doesn't simply become a new "first dose".
The entire pandemic has exposed the utter stupidity of European elites. First, it was us, sadly, in the UK. No getting round it, we made some calamitous decisions which have given us one of the highest death tolls in Europe
But since the vaccines arrived, it has been the EU and its member states, time and again making catastrophic errors, often unforced and inexplicable
It is reminiscent of World War One, when - as now - all of Europe went, apparently, quite quite mad
To be fair, i would argue that often where the UK have made (assumed) mistakes they have largely been reasonably well motivated through a desire to weigh up a balance of risks aware that the politically popular actions are not necessarily the wisest ones (either short or long term). Just they sometimes got it wrong (or at least, at present, are perceived to have done so). What has been going on in the EU with vaccines has shown no apparent evidence of serious attempts to weigh up balance of risks whatsoever. In situations which are far more concrete that the sort of "economy vs health" arguments we have had problems with.
Who knew that one of the consequences of Brexit would be the EU sheltering under the wing of Putin, and seeking constantly to appease China. Quite remarkable
Maybe the UK did have a lot of influence, after all
Our european friends have quite simply lost their minds. Quite incredible.
And yet they really believe it
I was chatting to a senior French investor the other day & he got quite upset when I pointed out that the only risk to the second jab schedule was trusting the EU to not interfere with our contracts
I think a lot of senior EU politicians, particularly in France, simply don't understand the UK dosing strategy, or indeed the whole principle of two dose jabs. They seem to genuinely under the belief that people who fail to meet the 12 week "deadline" (a deadline that was in fact arbitrarily created by the UK with no basis in scientific fact) will cease to have immunity and will have to start the whole vaccination schedule all over again.
Whereas the whole point is that immunity is supposed to decline over time, but the second dose, whether delivered after 4, 12 or even 15 weeks is in all circumstances a booster to protection. If it's left too long, it doesn't simply become a new "first dose".
The entire pandemic has exposed the utter stupidity of European elites. First, it was us, sadly, in the UK. No getting round it, we made some calamitous decisions which have given us one of the highest death tolls in Europe
But since the vaccines arrived, it has been the EU and its member states, time and again making catastrophic errors, often unforced and inexplicable
It is reminiscent of World War One, when - as now - all of Europe went, apparently, quite quite mad
I just don't understand the way they've behaved. They can't admit the UK has done anything right.
Who knew that one of the consequences of Brexit would be the EU sheltering under the wing of Putin, and seeking constantly to appease China. Quite remarkable
Maybe the UK did have a lot of influence, after all
Our european friends have quite simply lost their minds. Quite incredible.
And yet they really believe it
I was chatting to a senior French investor the other day & he got quite upset when I pointed out that the only risk to the second jab schedule was trusting the EU to not interfere with our contracts
I think a lot of senior EU politicians, particularly in France, simply don't understand the UK dosing strategy, or indeed the whole principle of two dose jabs. They seem to genuinely under the belief that people who fail to meet the 12 week "deadline" (a deadline that was in fact arbitrarily created by the UK with no basis in scientific fact) will cease to have immunity and will have to start the whole vaccination schedule all over again.
Whereas the whole point is that immunity is supposed to decline over time, but the second dose, whether delivered after 4, 12 or even 15 weeks is in all circumstances a booster to protection. If it's left too long, it doesn't simply become a new "first dose".
The entire pandemic has exposed the utter stupidity of European elites. First, it was us, sadly, in the UK. No getting round it, we made some calamitous decisions which have given us one of the highest death tolls in Europe
But since the vaccines arrived, it has been the EU and its member states, time and again making catastrophic errors, often unforced and inexplicable
It is reminiscent of World War One, when - as now - all of Europe went, apparently, quite quite mad
To be fair, i would argue that often where the UK have made (assumed) mistakes they have largely been reasonably well motivated through a desire to weigh up a balance of risks aware that the politically popular actions are not necessarily the wisest ones (either short or long term). Just they sometimes got it wrong (or at least, at present, are perceived to have done so). What has been going on in the EU with vaccines has shown no apparent evidence of serious attempts to weigh up balance of risks whatsoever. In situations which are far more concrete that the sort of "economy vs health" arguments we have had problems with.
100% this.
Plus the government here are criticised for not supposedly being quick enough to take away our civil liberties. Quite frankly that's a good thing not a bad thing, taking away civil liberties should be a difficult last resort not knee jerk first thing done.
There were no civil liberties issues with vaccine procurement, the mistakes were due to penny pinching during a pandemic costing trillions and other similar absurdities.
When there is an inquiry, it needs to include THE SCIENTISTS, who were so often wrong, and so badly wrong.
Many of the disasters of our anti-Covid campaign are down to them, not the politicians, starting with the boffins' asinine and obsessive belief that this was a new version of Flu, AKA Fighting the Last War
The scientists who laid the groundwork for vaccine development, with the pharmaceutical industry, well before politicians got interested, and when the clown did want to get involved, read him the riot act and told him to stay well away from it to avoid another f**k up like the PPE procurement. Those scientists?
These scientists
"Coronavirus: Wearing face masks makes no difference to spread of disease, insists UK medical chief, Jonathan Van Tam"
I am sure that facemasks are helpful. If worn properly. But it's notable that a lot more people died in the UK after we started wearing facemasks than before - so they clearly were not the most important failing. There were more important failings that need to be identified.
Anti-masking is just the most obvious mistake, which is why I cite it, as there are quotes which are provable bollocks
Much more important was the inability to see that what was happening in Asia was a reaction to a respiratory disease somewhat unlike flu, a disease which spread asymptomatically, making it peculiarly dangerous.
This, to me, was obvious by about mid February. You just had to read the science (which was already being relayed by news outlets). Somehow it seemed to escape the British Establishment (scientific and political) until mid March.
The failure to identify and focus on the real significant risks, particularly risks that could lead to clusters/superspreading events from the virus has always seemed to me the most serious failing.
The scientists/politicians seem to have spent large parts of the last year officially advocating a virus control strategy whilst urging measures based on a zero Covid strategy. The point being that the former focusses on risk factors that significantly impact on (super) spread of the disease, whereas the latter focusses on an and all theoretical risk factors.
With the fundamental problem of failing to recognise that if you focus on low risk activities (but where imposed restrictions are quite enforceable) you massively push people towards higher risk activities that aren't enforceable. In simplistic terms, ban people from congregating outside in a park, and they meet inside in a private dwelling instead. Even to some extent - ban people from meeting in pubs under controlled conditions, and they meet in private dwellings in uncontrolled conditions.
I still wonder what it is that Japan, in particular, have been doing that couldn't have been done here - assuming no level of underlying immunity that put them on a different path. And whether the Government have investigated this and considered whether it could be replicated here.
Their biggest mistakes was not closing the borders last February/March when most cases were in China, Italy and Spain. According to Neil Ferguson. SAGE didn't even consider this option.
Who knew that one of the consequences of Brexit would be the EU sheltering under the wing of Putin, and seeking constantly to appease China. Quite remarkable
Maybe the UK did have a lot of influence, after all
Our european friends have quite simply lost their minds. Quite incredible.
And yet they really believe it
I was chatting to a senior French investor the other day & he got quite upset when I pointed out that the only risk to the second jab schedule was trusting the EU to not interfere with our contracts
I think a lot of senior EU politicians, particularly in France, simply don't understand the UK dosing strategy, or indeed the whole principle of two dose jabs. They seem to genuinely under the belief that people who fail to meet the 12 week "deadline" (a deadline that was in fact arbitrarily created by the UK with no basis in scientific fact) will cease to have immunity and will have to start the whole vaccination schedule all over again.
Whereas the whole point is that immunity is supposed to decline over time, but the second dose, whether delivered after 4, 12 or even 15 weeks is in all circumstances a booster to protection. If it's left too long, it doesn't simply become a new "first dose".
The entire pandemic has exposed the utter stupidity of European elites. First, it was us, sadly, in the UK. No getting round it, we made some calamitous decisions which have given us one of the highest death tolls in Europe
But since the vaccines arrived, it has been the EU and its member states, time and again making catastrophic errors, often unforced and inexplicable
It is reminiscent of World War One, when - as now - all of Europe went, apparently, quite quite mad
I just don't understand the way they've behaved. They can't admit the UK has done anything right.
At the moment the Commission first went crazy, I don't think they had even a basic understanding of the position. They just saw the UK storming ahead, and AZ cutting delivery forecasts to them, and put 2 and 2 together to make 5.
So far, we appear to have had a much smaller number of cases of the rare clotting events than does Germany (one death, versus the nine they’ve reported).
When there is an inquiry, it needs to include THE SCIENTISTS, who were so often wrong, and so badly wrong.
Many of the disasters of our anti-Covid campaign are down to them, not the politicians, starting with the boffins' asinine and obsessive belief that this was a new version of Flu, AKA Fighting the Last War
Enquiries are largely a waste of money why bother. When was the last enquiry that ever made a difference?
The Hillsborough Panel, The Saville Inquiry, and undoubtedly the Chilcot one, it shredded Blair's reputation officially and comprehensively.
And they changed absolutely nothing.....so again I ask why bother?
Football changed forever after hillsborough. All seater stadia led to a much more family oriented environment including, horror, women. Football became cool (Italia 90, skinner and baddiel etc). I can’t say for sure that was a result of the inquiry, but certainly played a part.
I agree that Italia 90 was the first time football had been fashionable for a long time, but that was only about 12 months after Hillsborough and so couldn't have had much to do with it since there hadn't been any inquiries into it at that point.
When there is an inquiry, it needs to include THE SCIENTISTS, who were so often wrong, and so badly wrong.
Many of the disasters of our anti-Covid campaign are down to them, not the politicians, starting with the boffins' asinine and obsessive belief that this was a new version of Flu, AKA Fighting the Last War
Enquiries are largely a waste of money why bother. When was the last enquiry that ever made a difference?
The Hillsborough Panel, The Saville Inquiry, and undoubtedly the Chilcot one, it shredded Blair's reputation officially and comprehensively.
And they changed absolutely nothing.....so again I ask why bother?
Football changed forever after hillsborough. All seater stadia led to a much more family oriented environment including, horror, women. Football became cool (Italia 90, skinner and baddiel etc). I can’t say for sure that was a result of the inquiry, but certainly played a part.
I agree that Italia 90 was the first time football had been fashionable for a long time, but that was only about 12 months after Hillsborough and so couldn't have had much to do with it since there hadn't been any inquiries into it at that point.
The Taylor Report was published in August 1989 (interim) and the full report in January 1990.
So the plan (and funding) to convert stadiums into all seaters was made well before Italia 90.
At a meeting on Friday, commission officials said the EU needed to keep control of intellectual property on key projects and that working with even close allies such as the UK and Switzerland opened up an unacceptable risk.
Under the UK’s trade and security deal with its former partners, the government retained the right to pay into and participate in the EU’s Horizon Europe research programme, a seven-year, €95.5bn (£82bn) funding scheme. But the commission has now decided to curtail the type of projects in which the UK will be able to take part under a draft proposal discussed with the member states on Friday....
Sachsen-Anhalt has state elections in June and it looks like there could be a political earthquake because the AfD are well ahead of the CDU in current polls.
At a meeting on Friday, commission officials said the EU needed to keep control of intellectual property on key projects and that working with even close allies such as the UK and Switzerland opened up an unacceptable risk.
Under the UK’s trade and security deal with its former partners, the government retained the right to pay into and participate in the EU’s Horizon Europe research programme, a seven-year, €95.5bn (£82bn) funding scheme. But the commission has now decided to curtail the type of projects in which the UK will be able to take part under a draft proposal discussed with the member states on Friday....
At a meeting on Friday, commission officials said the EU needed to keep control of intellectual property on key projects and that working with even close allies such as the UK and Switzerland opened up an unacceptable risk.
Under the UK’s trade and security deal with its former partners, the government retained the right to pay into and participate in the EU’s Horizon Europe research programme, a seven-year, €95.5bn (£82bn) funding scheme. But the commission has now decided to curtail the type of projects in which the UK will be able to take part under a draft proposal discussed with the member states on Friday....
This is coming from Thierry Breton. The same guy who's spent the last few weeks on a wild goose chase looking for illicit doses of AstraZeneca vaccine.
At a meeting on Friday, commission officials said the EU needed to keep control of intellectual property on key projects and that working with even close allies such as the UK and Switzerland opened up an unacceptable risk.
Under the UK’s trade and security deal with its former partners, the government retained the right to pay into and participate in the EU’s Horizon Europe research programme, a seven-year, €95.5bn (£82bn) funding scheme. But the commission has now decided to curtail the type of projects in which the UK will be able to take part under a draft proposal discussed with the member states on Friday....
This is coming from Thierry Breton. The same guy who's spent the last few weeks on a wild goose chase looking for illicit doses of AstraZeneca vaccine.
Yes, given the increasing size of our science budget, and how tempting we are as a partner, this seems unlikely. If true, it would be foolish.
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https://www.jesip.org.uk/uploads/media/incident_reports_and_inquiries/Hillsborough Stadium Disaster final report.pdf
It was one of the most depressing things I read in the Museum of Occupation in Jersey: hundreds and hundreds of neighbours across the island gleefully shopped their neighbours - anonymously, of course - to the Nazi authorities for infractions of the rules. So much so that the pettiness of it all managed to disgust the Nazis.
Disgust. The. Nazis.
from cases
from hospitalisation
She looked like a standard establishment choice.
Which may not be what was required admittedly.
But, good points. The inquiry should look at everything, what was good as well as what was bad.
Perhaps an inquiry into inquiries could determine that inquiries work best if they're short and to the point, but to claim it wasn't one is just weird.
The scientists/politicians seem to have spent large parts of the last year officially advocating a virus control strategy whilst urging measures based on a zero Covid strategy. The point being that the former focusses on risk factors that significantly impact on (super) spread of the disease, whereas the latter focusses on an and all theoretical risk factors.
With the fundamental problem of failing to recognise that if you focus on low risk activities (but where imposed restrictions are quite enforceable) you massively push people towards higher risk activities that aren't enforceable. In simplistic terms, ban people from congregating outside in a park, and they meet inside in a private dwelling instead. Even to some extent - ban people from meeting in pubs under controlled conditions, and they meet in private dwellings in uncontrolled conditions.
I still wonder what it is that Japan, in particular, have been doing that couldn't have been done here - assuming no level of underlying immunity that put them on a different path. And whether the Government have investigated this and considered whether it could be replicated here.
Some Tory MPs on WhatsApp are asking who and how much she paid for it.
https://twitter.com/StefanieBolzen/status/1377007878905733121?s=19
https://twitter.com/ktbenner/status/1377014158147919879
That’s why the terms of the inquiry, who will conduct it and what is their remit, need as much, or more scrutiny than its final report.
Y'know, the usual.
This is news?
Why are there no excess deaths and minimal cases in this country now, while the rest of Europe is grappling with a third wave?
What does it say about every other 🤡 leading every other nation? Or maybe the British didn't elect a clown?
The incoming pandemic after lockdown ends...
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1376859257254072321
Will any pbers be afflicted
The former president and first lady, Melania Trump, have launched a website to serve their personal offices. The website, 45office.com, comes after Trump's ban from social media sites in the aftermath of the January Capitol insurrection.
The site features a lengthy biography for the former president that starts, "Donald J. Trump launched the most extraordinary political movement in history, dethroning political dynasties, defeating the Washington Establishment, and becoming the first true outsider elected as President of the United States."
The message being "our love is pure". The whole "official" wedding itself was just a charade we had to play along with because we were prisoners etc etc
When it was discussed here at the time many said it was clearly NOT meant literally and probably referred to a personal private ceremony and not the legal wedding.
Night all.
'Voltswagen' name change was an April Fools' Day prank: reports
https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/automobiles/545625-volkswagen-name-change-was-an-april-fools-day-prank-report
They could have said "we exchanged private vows in advance". They actually said "we got married 3 days earlier". Why say the latter unless intended to give a literal impression?
Perhaps your timid bleats should be broadcast on eurovision
https://youtu.be/5sLbbgYZSng
On a non-serious note - how does appointment of van der Leyen show understanding of April Fools day? April fools jokes are supposed to be restricted to, er, April Fools day!
I was chatting to a senior French investor the other day & he got quite upset when I pointed out that the only risk to the second jab schedule was trusting the EU to not interfere with our contracts
Whereas the whole point is that immunity is supposed to decline over time, but the second dose, whether delivered after 4, 12 or even 15 weeks is in all circumstances a booster to protection. If it's left too long, it doesn't simply become a new "first dose".
It should also be pointed out that this is one of the other problems with the mucking about with the recommendations on who should be given each vaccine. They think they're making profound points at how the UK dosing strategy has put us at a risk of not having supplies for the second doses, whilst meanwhile all over the continent they have been giving people first doses of AstraZeneca and then (presumably) saying they can't have a second!
If you genuinely think that then you are the clown not Boris.
But since the vaccines arrived, it has been the EU and its member states, time and again making catastrophic errors, often unforced and inexplicable
It is reminiscent of World War One, when - as now - all of Europe went, apparently, quite quite mad
Plus the government here are criticised for not supposedly being quick enough to take away our civil liberties. Quite frankly that's a good thing not a bad thing, taking away civil liberties should be a difficult last resort not knee jerk first thing done.
There were no civil liberties issues with vaccine procurement, the mistakes were due to penny pinching during a pandemic costing trillions and other similar absurdities.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/03/COVID-19-weekly-announced-vaccinations-25-March-2021.pdf
So far, we appear to have had a much smaller number of cases of the rare clotting events than does Germany (one death, versus the nine they’ve reported).
Because.... native white kids do worse in school
https://twitter.com/bbcnews/status/1377032089162412036?s=21
I do not know of any society which has attained this level of self hatred. Certainly, no successful society
So the plan (and funding) to convert stadiums into all seaters was made well before Italia 90.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/eu-plan-threatens-british-participation-in-hi-tech-research
Britain will join China in being locked out of research with the EU on cutting-edge quantum technology, such as new breeds of supercomputers, due to security concerns under a European commission proposal opposed by academics and 19 member states.
At a meeting on Friday, commission officials said the EU needed to keep control of intellectual property on key projects and that working with even close allies such as the UK and Switzerland opened up an unacceptable risk.
Under the UK’s trade and security deal with its former partners, the government retained the right to pay into and participate in the EU’s Horizon Europe research programme, a seven-year, €95.5bn (£82bn) funding scheme. But the commission has now decided to curtail the type of projects in which the UK will be able to take part under a draft proposal discussed with the member states on Friday....