GB excess deaths have been less in the latest world-wide spike. Whisper it, but maybe we have finally learnt some lessons here?
Lots of Covid deaths but few to no flu deaths? For the 2021 spike, a certain amount of cancelling out going on?
Maybe it is more to do with the flu jab uptake was really high last winter coupled with the most susceptible to flu stayed at home during the winter so really couldn't catch it.
Florida's weather is a bit different to ours in case you never noticed that.
Seriously? So is Spain's mate. So is Italy's. So is Malta's and Cyprus's
In case you never noticed that.
Weather and population density are never an issue, unless lockdowners say they are. Look at the way NZ is held up as an example, in the middle of its summer.
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
Of course I want Glitter to be vaccinated, I want absolutely everyone who can be to be vaccinated ASAP. Its you that has been arguing against vaccinating everyone in this country ASAP, not me.
If you want Glitter vaccinated so that he doesn't catch the virus and give it to others, but you still don't want me vaccinated so that I can catch the virus and give it to others, then yes you are a hypocrite. The giving it to others argument applies to all adults not just Glitter.
So is it still your opinion that I should be denied a vaccine? Is it still your opinion that I should risk catching this virus and giving it to others? If so, then you are a hypocrite.
Compromise: no-one under the age of 50 except convicted criminals gets vaccinated until the rest of the world does.
Would you perhaps be in favour also of no-one under the age of 50 getting access to free healthcare until the rest of the world does? Food supplies also perhaps? Maybe we should impose a global "Peoples' Committee" to oversee this?
Although I am over 50 (you are too perhaps?) I find your suggestion really rather age discriminatory.
As I mentioned the other day, the unintended consequences of such a policy would be massive. It is a harsh reality that if western countries drive to get their whole population vaccinated there is much greater chance of ramped up vaccine production which will also help the developing world.
HY AND YD Scholars of our history. Here’s one for both of you then. And we may even get agreement and illumination.
During US election we agreed on here, the original Republican Democrat party allegiance stemmed from the US civil war.
I read something the other day, Roundhead supporters became the Whigs, the Royalist Cavaliers supporters became the Tories. Our original Party allegiance stemmed from the Civil War?
It went on to say, roundhead and cavalier started as insults from the other side adopted by their own side, and Whig and Tory were too!
I think US cultural traditions are perhaps more determined by the English Civil War divide. The royalists settled generally in the southern colonies, and protestants and dissenters of various sorts in the northern. Those geographic cultural divides persist to this day, in a way which isn't really true of the UK.
I dunno. There are still persistent, faint echoes of cultural differences between Royalist and Puritan towns and cities. Try a night out in Wigan and Bolton, or Newcastle and Sunderland for example.
Even more beans poured on the weetabix.
Rather than tease us Dixie what specifics support what you are saying?
A general loucheness in the Royalist places I named. Wigan.The first hippy free festival at Bickershaw. First all night dance licence at Wigan Casino attracting punters from across the North. Literally dozens of clubs open late. Even had its own dance music, Wigan Bounce a few years ago. A seething mass of drinking, fighting and fornication. Bolton closed at 11. And was determined and happy to do so. Stag and hen dos go to Newcastle. They don't bother anywhere else in the UK AFAIAA. As I said it is faint. But still there. Edit. Forgot about Pit Brow Lasses. All this from the only loyal borough in Lancashire.
Puritan Bolton. It even rhymes.
Hippy/cavalier Wigan. We now have the seventeenth century cavalier as 1960s hippys. It sort of works...
HY AND YD Scholars of our history. Here’s one for both of you then. And we may even get agreement and illumination.
During US election we agreed on here, the original Republican Democrat party allegiance stemmed from the US civil war.
I read something the other day, Roundhead supporters became the Whigs, the Royalist Cavaliers supporters became the Tories. Our original Party allegiance stemmed from the Civil War?
It went on to say, roundhead and cavalier started as insults from the other side adopted by their own side, and Whig and Tory were too!
I think US cultural traditions are perhaps more determined by the English Civil War divide. The royalists settled generally in the southern colonies, and protestants and dissenters of various sorts in the northern. Those geographic cultural divides persist to this day, in a way which isn't really true of the UK.
I dunno. There are still persistent, faint echoes of cultural differences between Royalist and Puritan towns and cities. Try a night out in Wigan and Bolton, or Newcastle and Sunderland for example.
Even more beans poured on the weetabix.
Rather than tease us Dixie what specifics support what you are saying?
A general loucheness in the Royalist places I named. Wigan.The first hippy free festival at Bickershaw. First all night dance licence at Wigan Casino attracting punters from across the North. Literally dozens of clubs open late. Even had its own dance music, Wigan Bounce a few years ago. A seething mass of drinking, fighting and fornication. Bolton closed at 11. And was determined and happy to do so. Stag and hen dos go to Newcastle. They don't bother anywhere else in the UK AFAIAA. As I said it is faint. But still there. Edit. Forgot about Pit Brow Lasses. All this from the only loyal borough in Lancashire.
Puritan Bolton. It even rhymes.
Hippy/cavalier Wigan. We now have the seventeenth century cavalier as 1960s hippys. It sort of works...
Thinking more on this. Phoenix Nights was beautifully observed of a Bolton Night out. Set in Wigan there would have been strippers, drugs, raves and bouncers who wouldnt have had any time to have wryly inane conversations or trips to the chippy. Brian Potter was even nicknamed Ironside.
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
Of course I want Glitter to be vaccinated, I want absolutely everyone who can be to be vaccinated ASAP. Its you that has been arguing against vaccinating everyone in this country ASAP, not me.
If you want Glitter vaccinated so that he doesn't catch the virus and give it to others, but you still don't want me vaccinated so that I can catch the virus and give it to others, then yes you are a hypocrite. The giving it to others argument applies to all adults not just Glitter.
So is it still your opinion that I should be denied a vaccine? Is it still your opinion that I should risk catching this virus and giving it to others? If so, then you are a hypocrite.
Oh do stop it, Philip.
No.
If you persist in being a virtue signalling hypocrite then I will call it out.
To seek to deny vaccinations to your compatriots, while insisting you want people like Glitter vaccinated so they don't the bug on to others, is pure rank hypocrisy and you should be ashamed of yourself or renounce the absurd suggestion of stopping vaccinations.
I'm more likely to come into contact with vulnerable free people than Glitter is.
HY AND YD Scholars of our history. Here’s one for both of you then. And we may even get agreement and illumination.
During US election we agreed on here, the original Republican Democrat party allegiance stemmed from the US civil war.
I read something the other day, Roundhead supporters became the Whigs, the Royalist Cavaliers supporters became the Tories. Our original Party allegiance stemmed from the Civil War?
It went on to say, roundhead and cavalier started as insults from the other side adopted by their own side, and Whig and Tory were too!
I think US cultural traditions are perhaps more determined by the English Civil War divide. The royalists settled generally in the southern colonies, and protestants and dissenters of various sorts in the northern. Those geographic cultural divides persist to this day, in a way which isn't really true of the UK.
I dunno. There are still persistent, faint echoes of cultural differences between Royalist and Puritan towns and cities. Try a night out in Wigan and Bolton, or Newcastle and Sunderland for example.
Even more beans poured on the weetabix.
Rather than tease us Dixie what specifics support what you are saying?
A general loucheness in the Royalist places I named. Wigan.The first hippy free festival at Bickershaw. First all night dance licence at Wigan Casino attracting punters from across the North. Literally dozens of clubs open late. Even had its own dance music, Wigan Bounce a few years ago. A seething mass of drinking, fighting and fornication. Bolton closed at 11. And was determined and happy to do so. Stag and hen dos go to Newcastle. They don't bother anywhere else in the UK AFAIAA. As I said it is faint. But still there. Edit. Forgot about Pit Brow Lasses. All this from the only loyal borough in Lancashire.
Puritan Bolton. It even rhymes.
Hippy/cavalier Wigan. We now have the seventeenth century cavalier as 1960s hippys. It sort of works...
HY AND YD Scholars of our history. Here’s one for both of you then. And we may even get agreement and illumination.
During US election we agreed on here, the original Republican Democrat party allegiance stemmed from the US civil war.
I read something the other day, Roundhead supporters became the Whigs, the Royalist Cavaliers supporters became the Tories. Our original Party allegiance stemmed from the Civil War?
It went on to say, roundhead and cavalier started as insults from the other side adopted by their own side, and Whig and Tory were too!
I think US cultural traditions are perhaps more determined by the English Civil War divide. The royalists settled generally in the southern colonies, and protestants and dissenters of various sorts in the northern. Those geographic cultural divides persist to this day, in a way which isn't really true of the UK.
I dunno. There are still persistent, faint echoes of cultural differences between Royalist and Puritan towns and cities. Try a night out in Wigan and Bolton, or Newcastle and Sunderland for example.
Even more beans poured on the weetabix.
Rather than tease us Dixie what specifics support what you are saying?
A general loucheness in the Royalist places I named. Wigan.The first hippy free festival at Bickershaw. First all night dance licence at Wigan Casino attracting punters from across the North. Literally dozens of clubs open late. Even had its own dance music, Wigan Bounce a few years ago. A seething mass of drinking, fighting and fornication. Bolton closed at 11. And was determined and happy to do so. Stag and hen dos go to Newcastle. They don't bother anywhere else in the UK AFAIAA. As I said it is faint. But still there. Edit. Forgot about Pit Brow Lasses. All this from the only loyal borough in Lancashire.
Puritan Bolton. It even rhymes.
Hippy/cavalier Wigan. We now have the seventeenth century cavalier as 1960s hippys. It sort of works...
Thinking more on this. Phoenix Nights was beautifully observed of a Bolton Night out. Set in Wigan there would have been strippers, drugs, raves and bouncers who wouldnt have had any time to have wryly inane conversations or trips to the chippy. Brian Potter was even nicknamed Ironside.
An absolute belter of a comedy series. If only they had made more...
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
Of course I want Glitter to be vaccinated, I want absolutely everyone who can be to be vaccinated ASAP. Its you that has been arguing against vaccinating everyone in this country ASAP, not me.
If you want Glitter vaccinated so that he doesn't catch the virus and give it to others, but you still don't want me vaccinated so that I can catch the virus and give it to others, then yes you are a hypocrite. The giving it to others argument applies to all adults not just Glitter.
So is it still your opinion that I should be denied a vaccine? Is it still your opinion that I should risk catching this virus and giving it to others? If so, then you are a hypocrite.
Oh do stop it, Philip.
He isn't ever going to stop.....he is the keyboard warrior equivalent of the Terminator
Moving house is the hardest of tasks. And we're not going until tomorrow
The top five most stressful life events include: Death of a loved one. Divorce. Moving. Major illness or injury. Job loss. Hope you don’t have any of the other four to contend with any time.
Florida's weather is a bit different to ours in case you never noticed that.
Seriously? So is Spain's mate. So is Italy's. So is Malta's and Cyprus's
In case you never noticed that.
Weather and population density are never an issue, unless lockdowners say they are. Look at the way NZ is held up as an example, in the middle of its summer.
I have always said that weather and population density matter.
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
On a similarly moral note, I understand we can now buy a jab for 10K. Should those who can afford to jump the queue with their 10K do so for the benefit of helping NHS and speeding the programme?
1. They should not be allowed to. 2. They should be forced to. 3. They should be allowed to but discouraged and frowned upon if they do. 4. They should be allowed to and encouraged and praised if they do.
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
Of course I want Glitter to be vaccinated, I want absolutely everyone who can be to be vaccinated ASAP. Its you that has been arguing against vaccinating everyone in this country ASAP, not me.
If you want Glitter vaccinated so that he doesn't catch the virus and give it to others, but you still don't want me vaccinated so that I can catch the virus and give it to others, then yes you are a hypocrite. The giving it to others argument applies to all adults not just Glitter.
So is it still your opinion that I should be denied a vaccine? Is it still your opinion that I should risk catching this virus and giving it to others? If so, then you are a hypocrite.
Oh do stop it, Philip.
No.
If you persist in being a virtue signalling hypocrite then I will call it out.
To seek to deny vaccinations to your compatriots, while insisting you want people like Glitter vaccinated so they don't the bug on to others, is pure rank hypocrisy and you should be ashamed of yourself or renounce the absurd suggestion of stopping vaccinations.
I'm more likely to come into contact with vulnerable free people than Glitter is.
Are you his "stalker"? Although I happen to agree with you on this specific subject (and not @kinabalu who is entitled to his view without being called a hypocrite), I will have to "call you out" as one who generally spouts crap on things you clearly know nothing about. This I think is fair, and not unkind to say seeing as you just called another poster a hypocrite. Now please go and find something useful to do
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
Of course I want Glitter to be vaccinated, I want absolutely everyone who can be to be vaccinated ASAP. Its you that has been arguing against vaccinating everyone in this country ASAP, not me.
If you want Glitter vaccinated so that he doesn't catch the virus and give it to others, but you still don't want me vaccinated so that I can catch the virus and give it to others, then yes you are a hypocrite. The giving it to others argument applies to all adults not just Glitter.
So is it still your opinion that I should be denied a vaccine? Is it still your opinion that I should risk catching this virus and giving it to others? If so, then you are a hypocrite.
The famously surly and unpleasant guy who ran the local shop down from a place we rented in south Devon was Gary Glitter's brother. His partner (wife?) was a delightful younger lady who taught the piano. One of those where you just idly mull over "what was the possible attraction?".
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
On a similarly moral note, I understand we can now buy a jab for 10K. Should those who can afford to jump the queue with their 10K do so for the benefit of helping NHS and speeding the programme?
1. They should not be allowed to. 2. They should be forced to. 3. They should be allowed to but discouraged and frowned upon if they do. 4. They should be allowed to and encouraged and praised if they do.
5. At £10,000 it will be so rare it is not worth thinking about. At £100-£500 it becomes an issue but that wont happen til the vulnerable are done in the UK.
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
Of course I want Glitter to be vaccinated, I want absolutely everyone who can be to be vaccinated ASAP. Its you that has been arguing against vaccinating everyone in this country ASAP, not me.
If you want Glitter vaccinated so that he doesn't catch the virus and give it to others, but you still don't want me vaccinated so that I can catch the virus and give it to others, then yes you are a hypocrite. The giving it to others argument applies to all adults not just Glitter.
So is it still your opinion that I should be denied a vaccine? Is it still your opinion that I should risk catching this virus and giving it to others? If so, then you are a hypocrite.
Oh do stop it, Philip.
No.
If you persist in being a virtue signalling hypocrite then I will call it out.
To seek to deny vaccinations to your compatriots, while insisting you want people like Glitter vaccinated so they don't the bug on to others, is pure rank hypocrisy and you should be ashamed of yourself or renounce the absurd suggestion of stopping vaccinations.
I'm more likely to come into contact with vulnerable free people than Glitter is.
I probably will let you have a vaccine - but we'll see. Cross that bridge when we come to it. If you let me know when you have a date, I will opine definitively at that point.
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
On a similarly moral note, I understand we can now buy a jab for 10K. Should those who can afford to jump the queue with their 10K do so for the benefit of helping NHS and speeding the programme?
1. They should not be allowed to. 2. They should be forced to. 3. They should be allowed to but discouraged and frowned upon if they do. 4. They should be allowed to and encouraged and praised if they do.
"UPDATE: 30.9% share of N501Y mutants (B.1.1.7, B.1.351 or P.1) in those who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 in the Munich area from February 05-07, 2021. Labor Becker & Kollegen informs."
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
Of course I want Glitter to be vaccinated, I want absolutely everyone who can be to be vaccinated ASAP. Its you that has been arguing against vaccinating everyone in this country ASAP, not me.
If you want Glitter vaccinated so that he doesn't catch the virus and give it to others, but you still don't want me vaccinated so that I can catch the virus and give it to others, then yes you are a hypocrite. The giving it to others argument applies to all adults not just Glitter.
So is it still your opinion that I should be denied a vaccine? Is it still your opinion that I should risk catching this virus and giving it to others? If so, then you are a hypocrite.
Compromise: no-one under the age of 50 except convicted criminals gets vaccinated until the rest of the world does.
Would you perhaps be in favour also of no-one under the age of 50 getting access to free healthcare until the rest of the world does? Food supplies also perhaps? Maybe we should impose a global "Peoples' Committee" to oversee this?
Although I am over 50 (you are too perhaps?) I find your suggestion really rather age discriminatory.
As I mentioned the other day, the unintended consequences of such a policy would be massive. It is a harsh reality that if western countries drive to get their whole population vaccinated there is much greater chance of ramped up vaccine production which will also help the developing world.
I am so insulted that you think I might be over 50, that I can't even get excited about you not realising I was joking.
"UPDATE: 30.9% share of N501Y mutants (B.1.1.7, B.1.351 or P.1) in those who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 in the Munich area from February 05-07, 2021. Labor Becker & Kollegen informs."
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
Of course I want Glitter to be vaccinated, I want absolutely everyone who can be to be vaccinated ASAP. Its you that has been arguing against vaccinating everyone in this country ASAP, not me.
If you want Glitter vaccinated so that he doesn't catch the virus and give it to others, but you still don't want me vaccinated so that I can catch the virus and give it to others, then yes you are a hypocrite. The giving it to others argument applies to all adults not just Glitter.
So is it still your opinion that I should be denied a vaccine? Is it still your opinion that I should risk catching this virus and giving it to others? If so, then you are a hypocrite.
Compromise: no-one under the age of 50 except convicted criminals gets vaccinated until the rest of the world does.
Would you perhaps be in favour also of no-one under the age of 50 getting access to free healthcare until the rest of the world does? Food supplies also perhaps? Maybe we should impose a global "Peoples' Committee" to oversee this?
Although I am over 50 (you are too perhaps?) I find your suggestion really rather age discriminatory.
As I mentioned the other day, the unintended consequences of such a policy would be massive. It is a harsh reality that if western countries drive to get their whole population vaccinated there is much greater chance of ramped up vaccine production which will also help the developing world.
I am so insulted that you think I might be over 50, that I can't even get excited about you not realising I was joking.
My mistake lol. Nothing wrong with being over 50 btw. Well actually......shit, where did I leave my bath chair
GB excess deaths have been less in the latest world-wide spike. Whisper it, but maybe we have finally learnt some lessons here?
Lots of Covid deaths but few to no flu deaths? For the 2021 spike, a certain amount of cancelling out going on?
Maybe it is more to do with the flu jab uptake was really high last winter coupled with the most susceptible to flu stayed at home during the winter so really couldn't catch it.
Covid is more infectious than the flu, the general covid measures we're all taking must also neccesarily crush flu cases. The common cold will highly likely be at lower numbers too (They're rino and corona viruses)
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
A major outbreak of the Boerbug in Austria. Not good. Suggests it is embedded in central Europe, and spreading
An OXAZ vaccinated UK population will be protected against our strain but less so against the SA. The SA will thus have a path to dominance and this, I gather, is a worry, although obviously not an argument for not vaccinating.
"UPDATE: 30.9% share of N501Y mutants (B.1.1.7, B.1.351 or P.1) in those who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 in the Munich area from February 05-07, 2021. Labor Becker & Kollegen informs."
However there is little doubt that Austrian ski resorts are - once again - spreading the virus.
"The province, a winter sports hotspot, has so far been unable to explain how the variant arrived in the Ziller Valley, long a popular tourist area. Austrian ski lifts have been allowed to open since Dec. 24."
One incredible detail:
"* Province includes Ischgl, which had big outbreak a year ago"
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
Of course I want Glitter to be vaccinated, I want absolutely everyone who can be to be vaccinated ASAP. Its you that has been arguing against vaccinating everyone in this country ASAP, not me.
If you want Glitter vaccinated so that he doesn't catch the virus and give it to others, but you still don't want me vaccinated so that I can catch the virus and give it to others, then yes you are a hypocrite. The giving it to others argument applies to all adults not just Glitter.
So is it still your opinion that I should be denied a vaccine? Is it still your opinion that I should risk catching this virus and giving it to others? If so, then you are a hypocrite.
Compromise: no-one under the age of 50 except convicted criminals gets vaccinated until the rest of the world does.
Would you perhaps be in favour also of no-one under the age of 50 getting access to free healthcare until the rest of the world does? Food supplies also perhaps? Maybe we should impose a global "Peoples' Committee" to oversee this?
Although I am over 50 (you are too perhaps?) I find your suggestion really rather age discriminatory.
As I mentioned the other day, the unintended consequences of such a policy would be massive. It is a harsh reality that if western countries drive to get their whole population vaccinated there is much greater chance of ramped up vaccine production which will also help the developing world.
I am so insulted that you think I might be over 50, that I can't even get excited about you not realising I was joking.
My mistake lol. Nothing wrong with being over 50 btw. Well actually......shit, where did I leave my bath chair
I suppose I should be thankful that you discounted the possibility that I might be a convicted criminal.
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
Of course I want Glitter to be vaccinated, I want absolutely everyone who can be to be vaccinated ASAP. Its you that has been arguing against vaccinating everyone in this country ASAP, not me.
If you want Glitter vaccinated so that he doesn't catch the virus and give it to others, but you still don't want me vaccinated so that I can catch the virus and give it to others, then yes you are a hypocrite. The giving it to others argument applies to all adults not just Glitter.
So is it still your opinion that I should be denied a vaccine? Is it still your opinion that I should risk catching this virus and giving it to others? If so, then you are a hypocrite.
Compromise: no-one under the age of 50 except convicted criminals gets vaccinated until the rest of the world does.
Would you perhaps be in favour also of no-one under the age of 50 getting access to free healthcare until the rest of the world does? Food supplies also perhaps? Maybe we should impose a global "Peoples' Committee" to oversee this?
Although I am over 50 (you are too perhaps?) I find your suggestion really rather age discriminatory.
As I mentioned the other day, the unintended consequences of such a policy would be massive. It is a harsh reality that if western countries drive to get their whole population vaccinated there is much greater chance of ramped up vaccine production which will also help the developing world.
I am so insulted that you think I might be over 50, that I can't even get excited about you not realising I was joking.
My mistake lol. Nothing wrong with being over 50 btw. Well actually......shit, where did I leave my bath chair
I suppose I should be thankful that you discounted the possibility that I might be a convicted criminal.
Are convictions spent for the purposes of this scheme?
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
Of course I want Glitter to be vaccinated, I want absolutely everyone who can be to be vaccinated ASAP. Its you that has been arguing against vaccinating everyone in this country ASAP, not me.
If you want Glitter vaccinated so that he doesn't catch the virus and give it to others, but you still don't want me vaccinated so that I can catch the virus and give it to others, then yes you are a hypocrite. The giving it to others argument applies to all adults not just Glitter.
So is it still your opinion that I should be denied a vaccine? Is it still your opinion that I should risk catching this virus and giving it to others? If so, then you are a hypocrite.
Compromise: no-one under the age of 50 except convicted criminals gets vaccinated until the rest of the world does.
Would you perhaps be in favour also of no-one under the age of 50 getting access to free healthcare until the rest of the world does? Food supplies also perhaps? Maybe we should impose a global "Peoples' Committee" to oversee this?
Although I am over 50 (you are too perhaps?) I find your suggestion really rather age discriminatory.
As I mentioned the other day, the unintended consequences of such a policy would be massive. It is a harsh reality that if western countries drive to get their whole population vaccinated there is much greater chance of ramped up vaccine production which will also help the developing world.
I am so insulted that you think I might be over 50, that I can't even get excited about you not realising I was joking.
Don’t worry... when I met @seanT he said “you’re thirty years younger than I thought”
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
Of course I want Glitter to be vaccinated, I want absolutely everyone who can be to be vaccinated ASAP. Its you that has been arguing against vaccinating everyone in this country ASAP, not me.
If you want Glitter vaccinated so that he doesn't catch the virus and give it to others, but you still don't want me vaccinated so that I can catch the virus and give it to others, then yes you are a hypocrite. The giving it to others argument applies to all adults not just Glitter.
So is it still your opinion that I should be denied a vaccine? Is it still your opinion that I should risk catching this virus and giving it to others? If so, then you are a hypocrite.
Compromise: no-one under the age of 50 except convicted criminals gets vaccinated until the rest of the world does.
Would you perhaps be in favour also of no-one under the age of 50 getting access to free healthcare until the rest of the world does? Food supplies also perhaps? Maybe we should impose a global "Peoples' Committee" to oversee this?
Although I am over 50 (you are too perhaps?) I find your suggestion really rather age discriminatory.
As I mentioned the other day, the unintended consequences of such a policy would be massive. It is a harsh reality that if western countries drive to get their whole population vaccinated there is much greater chance of ramped up vaccine production which will also help the developing world.
I am so insulted that you think I might be over 50, that I can't even get excited about you not realising I was joking.
My mistake lol. Nothing wrong with being over 50 btw. Well actually......shit, where did I leave my bath chair
I suppose I should be thankful that you discounted the possibility that I might be a convicted criminal.
I thought that would have less impact than suggesting you might be over 50
A major outbreak of the Boerbug in Austria. Not good. Suggests it is embedded in central Europe, and spreading
An OXAZ vaccinated UK population will be protected against our strain but less so against the SA. The SA will thus have a path to dominance and this, I gather, is a worry, although obviously not an argument for not vaccinating.
It's much less of a worry than is being made out by the news.
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
Feigl Ding gets some things wrong, and some things right. He errs on the alarmist side, occasionally.
The fact that Germany is threatening to close the border with Austria suggests he is right, this time. This is seriously worrying. If there is widespread community transmission of the SA Variant in central Europe we are in a right old pickle
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
If you think this news about the SA variant in central Europe is "alarmism", then it should be easy for you to refute it, with evidence and sources. No?
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
On a similarly moral note, I understand we can now buy a jab for 10K. Should those who can afford to jump the queue with their 10K do so for the benefit of helping NHS and speeding the programme?
1. They should not be allowed to. 2. They should be forced to. 3. They should be allowed to but discouraged and frowned upon if they do. 4. They should be allowed to and encouraged and praised if they do.
Definitely No.4!
What a surprise. Although I'm close with a 3. In general I'm more relaxed about private healthcare than I am about private education.
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
If you think this news about the SA variant in central Europe is "alarmism", then it should be easy for you to refute it, with evidence and sources. No?
The evidence is that the tweet is from someone who has a track record of alarmist tweets. Better to not spread them until the facts are established from more reliable sources. Doesn't mean he is wrong, just that he is an unreliable source.
A major outbreak of the Boerbug in Austria. Not good. Suggests it is embedded in central Europe, and spreading
An OXAZ vaccinated UK population will be protected against our strain but less so against the SA. The SA will thus have a path to dominance and this, I gather, is a worry, although obviously not an argument for not vaccinating.
It's much less of a worry than is being made out by the news.
Everyone that's had OxAz can get a booster shot in the Autumn/early 2021, no worries.
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
If you think this news about the SA variant in central Europe is "alarmism", then it should be easy for you to refute it, with evidence and sources. No?
The evidence is that the tweet is from someone who has a track record of alarmist tweets. Better to not spread them until the facts are established from more reliable sources. Doesn't mean he is wrong, just that he is an unreliable source.
Its almost as if his purpose is to spread fear, discord and disinformation. Of course, nobody would want to do that in our country.
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
He's a very useful source of information - as long as you check it.
He is. And it is because he is so obsessed with Covid - (partly, no doubt, because it has brought him fame). He reads everything constantly, so if anything happens he will be one of the first to spot it.
Anyway, the idea that this is *alarmism* is PB at its most effete and pathetic: emotionally unable to confront bad news.
"Due to the current data situation and the apparently uncontrollable spread of South Africa mutations, Tyrol is declared a "restricted zone" and can only be left with a negative Corona test. One of the largest police operations in recent years - within Austria or borders with Germany, Italy, etc. - is underway."
A major outbreak of the Boerbug in Austria. Not good. Suggests it is embedded in central Europe, and spreading
An OXAZ vaccinated UK population will be protected against our strain but less so against the SA. The SA will thus have a path to dominance and this, I gather, is a worry, although obviously not an argument for not vaccinating.
It's much less of a worry than is being made out by the news.
Slightly pointless worry anyway. I'm getting a better picture of the near term future now. Tweaked vaccines, regular shots, test & isolate still needed, best practice on hygiene & distancing still needed.
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
If you think this news about the SA variant in central Europe is "alarmism", then it should be easy for you to refute it, with evidence and sources. No?
The evidence is that the tweet is from someone who has a track record of alarmist tweets. Better to not spread them until the facts are established from more reliable sources. Doesn't mean he is wrong, just that he is an unreliable source.
Governments love announcing maximum tariffs for offences. They count for little. What counts is two other things, neither directly in government hands: (1) The chance of being found out and criminally processed (2) The actual sentence handed out.
Obviously not made of the right stuff, a proper royal would have made massive efforts to stop the public knowing how much they got from the national tit. And that tweed...
We spend x million on these gits, let us spend it on the NHS instead.
Hate to break it you.
Zara T does not get anything from the Civil List.
If you find anything she does get from the public do let us know, but never let reality get in the way of a good story etc...
Many seem to forget how much the Royal family contribute via tourism.
Is your name a clue?
They contribute square root of f all.
As a republican, I don't think that's an entirely fair comment. I'm sure people would still come to look at such places as Windsor Castle if HMQ were not there. Just perhaps, not as many. After all, people still visit Versailles!
"Not as many"? I see your "not as many" and raise you "far more".
The most visited palaces in the world tend to be in republics not monarchies. Not having the monarch there clogging up the space allows it to be actually used for tourists instead.
The 2011 royal wedding gave a £2 billion boost to the UK economy, you do not get that in a republic
Instead you just have to settle for getting billions extra annually rather than once every few decades.
The French Republic doesn't suffer from a lack of tourism - it is the most popular tourist destination of all.
Tourists prefer to actually go inside and tour royal palaces not just gawp at them from outside. That's why the French Republic does better from its Palaces than we do for tourism.
People go to France because it has better weather and warmer beaches than we do, especially in the South, because it has more countryside than we do as it is a bigger nation, because it has more mountains for skiing than we do as well as its historic chateaux etc, not all of those connected with royalty anyway and some still lived in by those connected to old aristocratic families.
The royal family is one of our main draws, if we lose it and we lose royal weddings, coronations etc we lose one of our key sources of tourism revenue, plus all those selling royal souvenirs in London lose their jobs, how many in Paris sell souvenirs of the Macrons?
If we can adapt to Brexit and the economic impact of that, we can adapt to being a republic and the somewhat smaller economic impact of that. Take back control!
(Tongue partly in cheek. I'm a republican on principle, but I'm not particularly bothered about the Royal Family. They're a long way down my to-do list when I'm finally put in my rightful place as supreme ruler.)
Brexiteers are more likely to be monarchists.
56% of Monarchists voted Leave in 2016 but 65% of Republicans voted Remain, no surprise as some of the latter would be happy with a President Von Der Leyen
A major outbreak of the Boerbug in Austria. Not good. Suggests it is embedded in central Europe, and spreading
An OXAZ vaccinated UK population will be protected against our strain but less so against the SA. The SA will thus have a path to dominance and this, I gather, is a worry, although obviously not an argument for not vaccinating.
It's much less of a worry than is being made out by the news.
Everyone that's had OxAz can get a booster shot in the Autumn/early 2021, no worries.
It's not that its a worry but 1 week ago it was very likely that the UKs AZ vaccinated population would have been able to travel freely from early summer without a care in the world. Now, while we may be able to drive down cases in the UK through immunisation, we will still have to exist in a high state of lockdown to prevent the SA strain growing here.
Essentially we seem to be back to where we were before the AZ vaccine arrived, with only those having had the Pfizer vaccine looking like they will have enough immunity.
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
He's a very useful source of information - as long as you check it.
And the greatest authorities on public health aspects of COVID are not necessarily medical doctors. Virologists are giving us our greatest understanding of the virus, and epidemiologists our information about the spread. Many of those with the greatest knowledge of how the virus causes disease will be scientists not doctors - molecular biologists, computational biologists, cellular pathologists, and so on.
The absence of a medical degree is no real indication of authority here.
Obviously not made of the right stuff, a proper royal would have made massive efforts to stop the public knowing how much they got from the national tit. And that tweed...
We spend x million on these gits, let us spend it on the NHS instead.
Hate to break it you.
Zara T does not get anything from the Civil List.
If you find anything she does get from the public do let us know, but never let reality get in the way of a good story etc...
Many seem to forget how much the Royal family contribute via tourism.
Is your name a clue?
They contribute square root of f all.
As a republican, I don't think that's an entirely fair comment. I'm sure people would still come to look at such places as Windsor Castle if HMQ were not there. Just perhaps, not as many. After all, people still visit Versailles!
"Not as many"? I see your "not as many" and raise you "far more".
The most visited palaces in the world tend to be in republics not monarchies. Not having the monarch there clogging up the space allows it to be actually used for tourists instead.
The 2011 royal wedding gave a £2 billion boost to the UK economy, you do not get that in a republic
Instead you just have to settle for getting billions extra annually rather than once every few decades.
The French Republic doesn't suffer from a lack of tourism - it is the most popular tourist destination of all.
Tourists prefer to actually go inside and tour royal palaces not just gawp at them from outside. That's why the French Republic does better from its Palaces than we do for tourism.
People go to France because it has better weather and warmer beaches than we do, especially in the South, because it has more countryside than we do as it is a bigger nation, because it has more mountains for skiing than we do as well as its historic chateaux etc, not all of those connected with royalty anyway and some still lived in by those connected to old aristocratic families.
The royal family is one of our main draws, if we lose it and we lose royal weddings, coronations etc we lose one of our key sources of tourism revenue, plus all those selling royal souvenirs in London lose their jobs, how many in Paris sell souvenirs of the Macrons?
If we can adapt to Brexit and the economic impact of that, we can adapt to being a republic and the somewhat smaller economic impact of that. Take back control!
(Tongue partly in cheek. I'm a republican on principle, but I'm not particularly bothered about the Royal Family. They're a long way down my to-do list when I'm finally put in my rightful place as supreme ruler.)
Brexiteers are more likely to be monarchists.
56% of Monarchists voted Leave in 2016 but 65% of Republicans voted Remain, no surprise as some of the latter would be happy with a President Von Der Leyen
A classic @HYUFD reply! Thanks, that made me smile.
The more interesting thing about that is the numbers aren't too far apart.
69% of voters overall wanted to keep the monarchy overall, only 52% of voters voted Leave, so you would expect a significant number of Remainers to still support the monarchy and the vast majority of republicans to have voted Remain
A major outbreak of the Boerbug in Austria. Not good. Suggests it is embedded in central Europe, and spreading
An OXAZ vaccinated UK population will be protected against our strain but less so against the SA. The SA will thus have a path to dominance and this, I gather, is a worry, although obviously not an argument for not vaccinating.
It's much less of a worry than is being made out by the news.
Everyone that's had OxAz can get a booster shot in the Autumn/early 2021, no worries.
It's not that its a worry but 1 week ago it was very likely that the UKs AZ vaccinated population would have been able to travel freely from early summer without a care in the world. Now, while we may be able to drive down cases in the UK through immunisation, we will still have to exist in a high state of lockdown to prevent the SA strain growing here.
Essentially we seem to be back to where we were before the AZ vaccine arrived, with only those having had the Pfizer vaccine looking like they will have enough immunity.
Having protection against severe disease and death is hardly back where we were before the vaccine.
Outrage as Oxford University renames its prestigious Wykeham chair of physics after a Chinese firm 'with links to country's spy agency' - in return for a £700,000 donation.
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
I mean he's citing his sources in the tweet. If his numbers are wrong it will be very easy to demonstrate.
The "numbers" he cites are primarily of the SA study of the AZ vaccine, which were not good, but equally the problems with that study have been extensively discussed on here, and he also fails to mention the study's findings that T-Cell responses were still triggered. He also goes on to simply assume that because the Tyrol is (more or less) in central Europe it must be everywhere. Manchester is (more or less) in the centre of the island of Great Britain and that has not (perhaps yet) happened here. He also fails to mention the fact that even in bleedin' South Africa itself restrictions have been eased and cases are still falling.
Finally, and this really gets me, he uses a handle with "Dr" in it - yet he never finished medical school. If his bio said something like "doctorate in health economics" (which he has) then I could live with it - but he doesn't. He tweets on medical issues using such a twitter handle but fails to make that clear.
A major outbreak of the Boerbug in Austria. Not good. Suggests it is embedded in central Europe, and spreading
An OXAZ vaccinated UK population will be protected against our strain but less so against the SA. The SA will thus have a path to dominance and this, I gather, is a worry, although obviously not an argument for not vaccinating.
It's much less of a worry than is being made out by the news.
Everyone that's had OxAz can get a booster shot in the Autumn/early 2021, no worries.
It's not that its a worry but 1 week ago it was very likely that the UKs AZ vaccinated population would have been able to travel freely from early summer without a care in the world. Now, while we may be able to drive down cases in the UK through immunisation, we will still have to exist in a high state of lockdown to prevent the SA strain growing here.
Essentially we seem to be back to where we were before the AZ vaccine arrived, with only those having had the Pfizer vaccine looking like they will have enough immunity.
Having protection against severe disease and death is hardly back where we were before the vaccine.
We don't know yet whether AZ still offers protection against major disease and death in the elderly. That SA test was largely on the young, wasn't it? Who are much less likely to get severe Covid anyway.
I am not being alarmist. Let's hope you are right, you are an expert. Trouble is we just do not know, and it is this uncertainty which is the crippling factor.
It must be quite freaky for the Austrians: they were relying almost entirely on AZ for their vax programme.
Governments love announcing maximum tariffs for offences. They count for little. What counts is two other things, neither directly in government hands: (1) The chance of being found out and criminally processed (2) The actual sentence handed out.
Hangers and floggers should pause and wait a bit.
Unless you have two entirely separate flight tickets it's going to be obvious that you arrived from South Africa via say Frankfurt.
"UPDATE: 30.9% share of N501Y mutants (B.1.1.7, B.1.351 or P.1) in those who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 in the Munich area from February 05-07, 2021. Labor Becker & Kollegen informs."
However there is little doubt that Austrian ski resorts are - once again - spreading the virus.
"The province, a winter sports hotspot, has so far been unable to explain how the variant arrived in the Ziller Valley, long a popular tourist area. Austrian ski lifts have been allowed to open since Dec. 24."
One incredible detail:
"* Province includes Ischgl, which had big outbreak a year ago"
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
I mean he's citing his sources in the tweet. If his numbers are wrong it will be very easy to demonstrate.
The "numbers" he cites are primarily of the SA study of the AZ vaccine, which were not good, but equally the problems with that study have been extensively discussed on here, and he also fails to mention the study's findings that T-Cell responses were still triggered. He also goes on to simply assume that because the Tyrol is (more or less) in central Europe it must be everywhere. Manchester is (more or less) in the centre of the island of Great Britain and that has not (perhaps yet) happened here. He also fails to mention the fact that even in bleedin' South Africa itself restrictions have been eased and cases are still falling.
Finally, and this really gets me, he uses a handle with "Dr" in it - yet he never finished medical school. If his bio said something like "doctorate in health economics" (which he has) then I could live with it - but he doesn't. He tweets on medical issues using such a twitter handle but fails to make that clear.
The numbers he cites are about cases in Austria, with a link to the source. He doesn't give any numbers for a study of the AZ vaccine.
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
I mean he's citing his sources in the tweet. If his numbers are wrong it will be very easy to demonstrate.
The "numbers" he cites are primarily of the SA study of the AZ vaccine, which were not good, but equally the problems with that study have been extensively discussed on here, and he also fails to mention the study's findings that T-Cell responses were still triggered. He also goes on to simply assume that because the Tyrol is (more or less) in central Europe it must be everywhere. Manchester is (more or less) in the centre of the island of Great Britain and that has not (perhaps yet) happened here. He also fails to mention the fact that even in bleedin' South Africa itself restrictions have been eased and cases are still falling.
Finally, and this really gets me, he uses a handle with "Dr" in it - yet he never finished medical school. If his bio said something like "doctorate in health economics" (which he has) then I could live with it - but he doesn't. He tweets on medical issues using such a twitter handle but fails to make that clear.
"He also goes on to simply assume that because the Tyrol is (more or less) in central Europe it must be everywhere."
He doesn't say everywhere, he says it is "likely all over central Europe": Austria, Germany, north Italy, and so forth.
And I fear he may be correct.
"Both the variant from Great Britain named B.1.1.7 and the South African variant B.1.351 have been identified in more and more federal states in recent weeks. A collaborative project that collects newspaper reports about it now counts almost 1,000 infections with the various mutated viruses in Germany. It is noticeable that the cases increasingly occur without a direct travel connection."
A major outbreak of the Boerbug in Austria. Not good. Suggests it is embedded in central Europe, and spreading
An OXAZ vaccinated UK population will be protected against our strain but less so against the SA. The SA will thus have a path to dominance and this, I gather, is a worry, although obviously not an argument for not vaccinating.
It's much less of a worry than is being made out by the news.
Slightly pointless worry anyway. I'm getting a better picture of the near term future now. Tweaked vaccines, regular shots, test & isolate still needed, best practice on hygiene & distancing still needed.
I don't think we will need distancing in the near future, I'd guess the government will do away with it around July once the under 50s are all partially or fully immunised. Test and isolate will be needed for outbreaks but we can see they know this as they are handing out redundancy notices to the call centre people. The main line of defence is going to be tweaked jabs and annual booster jabs for the over 40s and anyone else who wants one every September with surge vaccination capacity for up to 1.5m doses per day done.
A major outbreak of the Boerbug in Austria. Not good. Suggests it is embedded in central Europe, and spreading
An OXAZ vaccinated UK population will be protected against our strain but less so against the SA. The SA will thus have a path to dominance and this, I gather, is a worry, although obviously not an argument for not vaccinating.
It's much less of a worry than is being made out by the news.
Everyone that's had OxAz can get a booster shot in the Autumn/early 2021, no worries.
It's not that its a worry but 1 week ago it was very likely that the UKs AZ vaccinated population would have been able to travel freely from early summer without a care in the world. Now, while we may be able to drive down cases in the UK through immunisation, we will still have to exist in a high state of lockdown to prevent the SA strain growing here.
Essentially we seem to be back to where we were before the AZ vaccine arrived, with only those having had the Pfizer vaccine looking like they will have enough immunity.
Having protection against severe disease and death is hardly back where we were before the vaccine.
We've yet to see performance data of the AZ vaccine for the more elderly population but hopefully you are right.
However, I expect that the restrictions the UK experiences this summer will be more onerous than the ones we had last summer, so in that sense we are back to the beginning.
"UPDATE: 30.9% share of N501Y mutants (B.1.1.7, B.1.351 or P.1) in those who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 in the Munich area from February 05-07, 2021. Labor Becker & Kollegen informs."
This same area was one of the main sources of Olde Worlde Covid about a year ago.
Those who do not learn from history....
No it wasn’t. Alto Adige was relatively unaffected while the first wave raged in Lombardy, and to a lesser extent in the Austrian Tyrol. Until recently this part of the Italian Alps have been tier one material.
Morning all. What a win in India! We must be the best cricket team in the world right now. But back to the serious stuff, the pandemic, I see Piers Morgan has raised the issue of whether Gary Glitter should be offered a vaccine. I hadn't given this much thought before, I actually thought he was dead, but having now done so I would say that, yes, he should. The reason? We shouldn't be bringing "merit" into the vaccine rollout. It's purely a public health matter. Let's not get sidetracked into a moral maze. He wouldn't be denied treatment for a stroke so on what ethical grounds could he be denied a vaccine for Covid? None that I can think of. Also, just being pragmatic, we don't want Glitter catching the virus and giving it to others. So, for me, it's a no-brainer. GG gets the vaccine (if he wants it) in accordance with his risk rating. This seems like a bit of cheap populism from Piers to me.
I agree with you entirely.
But wonder if you're a hypocrite if you don'tdo want Glitterunder 50s catching the virus and giving it to others?
You join me in the call for Gary Glitter to be vaccinated? Great. I wasn't sure you would. And thankfully I'm not a hypocrite for all the reasons previously set out and accepted by everybody.
On a similarly moral note, I understand we can now buy a jab for 10K. Should those who can afford to jump the queue with their 10K do so for the benefit of helping NHS and speeding the programme?
1. They should not be allowed to. 2. They should be forced to. 3. They should be allowed to but discouraged and frowned upon if they do. 4. They should be allowed to and encouraged and praised if they do.
Four, but with a hint of 3 - unless you make it seem a bit naughty, you won't get people doing it. Encouraging and praising it would be counterproductive - nobody wants to be donating £10,000 to the Government. Better to quietly allow it, but ensure that the Government is getting a good chunk of the profits (at the moment I'd imagine the concierge services/wealth managers/intermediaries are pocketing most of that 10K)
A major outbreak of the Boerbug in Austria. Not good. Suggests it is embedded in central Europe, and spreading
An OXAZ vaccinated UK population will be protected against our strain but less so against the SA. The SA will thus have a path to dominance and this, I gather, is a worry, although obviously not an argument for not vaccinating.
It's much less of a worry than is being made out by the news.
Everyone that's had OxAz can get a booster shot in the Autumn/early 2021, no worries.
It's not that its a worry but 1 week ago it was very likely that the UKs AZ vaccinated population would have been able to travel freely from early summer without a care in the world. Now, while we may be able to drive down cases in the UK through immunisation, we will still have to exist in a high state of lockdown to prevent the SA strain growing here.
Essentially we seem to be back to where we were before the AZ vaccine arrived, with only those having had the Pfizer vaccine looking like they will have enough immunity.
Having protection against severe disease and death is hardly back where we were before the vaccine.
We've yet to see performance data of the AZ vaccine for the more elderly population but hopefully you are right.
However, I expect that the restrictions the UK experiences this summer will be more onerous than the ones we had last summer, so in that sense we are back to the beginning.
On the latter point, I don't see why you think that. The external border will be tougher, but internally we will look a lot more like NZ and Oz where everything is open and we're free to live life as we want to again. There will be far, far too much pressure on the PM from his own party to get things open again. The chancellor doesn't want an open ended commitment to furlough for hospitality, he wants the economy open and functioning at full capacity. By the time we reach July every over 18 will have had at least one dose and most will have had both.
Governments love announcing maximum tariffs for offences. They count for little. What counts is two other things, neither directly in government hands: (1) The chance of being found out and criminally processed (2) The actual sentence handed out.
Hangers and floggers should pause and wait a bit.
Unless you have two entirely separate flight tickets it's going to be obvious that you arrived from South Africa via say Frankfurt.
We've far more likely to get the virus imported from eg Austria than a traveller who has been to South Africa then returned to the UK via Frankfurt.
A major outbreak of the Boerbug in Austria. Not good. Suggests it is embedded in central Europe, and spreading
An OXAZ vaccinated UK population will be protected against our strain but less so against the SA. The SA will thus have a path to dominance and this, I gather, is a worry, although obviously not an argument for not vaccinating.
It's much less of a worry than is being made out by the news.
Everyone that's had OxAz can get a booster shot in the Autumn/early 2021, no worries.
It's not that its a worry but 1 week ago it was very likely that the UKs AZ vaccinated population would have been able to travel freely from early summer without a care in the world. Now, while we may be able to drive down cases in the UK through immunisation, we will still have to exist in a high state of lockdown to prevent the SA strain growing here.
Essentially we seem to be back to where we were before the AZ vaccine arrived, with only those having had the Pfizer vaccine looking like they will have enough immunity.
Having protection against severe disease and death is hardly back where we were before the vaccine.
We've yet to see performance data of the AZ vaccine for the more elderly population but hopefully you are right.
However, I expect that the restrictions the UK experiences this summer will be more onerous than the ones we had last summer, so in that sense we are back to the beginning.
On the latter point, I don't see why you think that. The external border will be tougher, but internally we will look a lot more like NZ and Oz where everything is open and we're free to live life as we want to again. There will be far, far too much pressure on the PM from his own party to get things open again. The chancellor doesn't want an open ended commitment to furlough for hospitality, he wants the economy open and functioning at full capacity. By the time we reach July every over 18 will have had at least one dose and most will have had both.
Any sane chancellor is having multiple three o'clock in the morning moments right now at the cost to the economy.
It's easy enough to say "let's extend the furlough" but in practice that means huge costs and something no Chancellor would be willing to do unless absolutely necessary.
"UPDATE: 30.9% share of N501Y mutants (B.1.1.7, B.1.351 or P.1) in those who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 in the Munich area from February 05-07, 2021. Labor Becker & Kollegen informs."
This same area was one of the main sources of Olde Worlde Covid about a year ago.
Those who do not learn from history....
No it wasn’t. Alto Adige was relatively unaffected while the first wave raged in Lombardy, and to a lesser extent in the Austrian Tyrol. Until recently the Italian Alps have been tier one material.
I meant the Austrian Alps. Ischgl in the Tirol was literally the superspreader town in 2020, and here we go again: the Tirol
Useful account for those who think that financing an independent Scotland might be trickier than the SNP and various PBers think.
A question arises from reading it: If an independent Scotland wants to join the EU why is it's policy to have an informal link with Sterling instead of the Euro?
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
I mean he's citing his sources in the tweet. If his numbers are wrong it will be very easy to demonstrate.
The "numbers" he cites are primarily of the SA study of the AZ vaccine, which were not good, but equally the problems with that study have been extensively discussed on here, and he also fails to mention the study's findings that T-Cell responses were still triggered. He also goes on to simply assume that because the Tyrol is (more or less) in central Europe it must be everywhere. Manchester is (more or less) in the centre of the island of Great Britain and that has not (perhaps yet) happened here. He also fails to mention the fact that even in bleedin' South Africa itself restrictions have been eased and cases are still falling.
Finally, and this really gets me, he uses a handle with "Dr" in it - yet he never finished medical school. If his bio said something like "doctorate in health economics" (which he has) then I could live with it - but he doesn't. He tweets on medical issues using such a twitter handle but fails to make that clear.
He is. And it is because he is so obsessed with Covid - (partly, no doubt, because it has brought him fame). He reads everything constantly, so if anything happens he will be one of the first to spot it.
Anyway, the idea that this is *alarmism* is PB at its most effete and pathetic: emotionally unable to confront bad news.
"Due to the current data situation and the apparently uncontrollable spread of South Africa mutations, Tyrol is declared a "restricted zone" and can only be left with a negative Corona test. One of the largest police operations in recent years - within Austria or borders with Germany, Italy, etc. - is underway."
I'm perfectly able to confront bad news - I (and everyone else) have been doing so all year. However he peppers his threads with hyperbole and the kind of attention grabbing that an aspiring politician (he was a 2018 Dem candidate) does.
In a fire you want to listen to the calm guy showing you where the fire exits and extinguishers are, not the guy screaming "HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!" (as Eric did last January). The screaming guy is an alarmist and is, by drowning our the calm guy, doing more harm than good and there is no shame, nor is it "effete" (in fact quite the opposite) to point that out.
So 340k vaccine doses in the UK. Good numbers from bottom of the class Scotland too, which is pleasing. Not bad given the awful weather here in the East but my hopes of us smashing the 15m target with 2 or 3 days to spare look like they've gone out the window, I now expect us to reach the number on Sunday.
He is. And it is because he is so obsessed with Covid - (partly, no doubt, because it has brought him fame). He reads everything constantly, so if anything happens he will be one of the first to spot it.
Anyway, the idea that this is *alarmism* is PB at its most effete and pathetic: emotionally unable to confront bad news.
"Due to the current data situation and the apparently uncontrollable spread of South Africa mutations, Tyrol is declared a "restricted zone" and can only be left with a negative Corona test. One of the largest police operations in recent years - within Austria or borders with Germany, Italy, etc. - is underway."
I'm perfectly able to confront bad news - I (and everyone else) have been doing so all year. However he peppers his threads with hyperbole and the kind of attention grabbing that an aspiring politician (he was a 2018 Dem candidate) does.
In a fire you want to listen to the calm guy showing you where the fire exits and extinguishers are, not the guy screaming "HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!" (as Eric did last January). The screaming guy is an alarmist and is, by drowning our the calm guy, doing more harm than good and there is no shame, nor is it "effete" (in fact quite the opposite) to point that out.
tbf in a fire you want to listen to (and might be able to hear only) the screaming guy showing you where the fire exits and extinguishers are but I am with you on your post.
A major outbreak of the Boerbug in Austria. Not good. Suggests it is embedded in central Europe, and spreading
An OXAZ vaccinated UK population will be protected against our strain but less so against the SA. The SA will thus have a path to dominance and this, I gather, is a worry, although obviously not an argument for not vaccinating.
It's much less of a worry than is being made out by the news.
Everyone that's had OxAz can get a booster shot in the Autumn/early 2021, no worries.
It's not that its a worry but 1 week ago it was very likely that the UKs AZ vaccinated population would have been able to travel freely from early summer without a care in the world. Now, while we may be able to drive down cases in the UK through immunisation, we will still have to exist in a high state of lockdown to prevent the SA strain growing here.
Essentially we seem to be back to where we were before the AZ vaccine arrived, with only those having had the Pfizer vaccine looking like they will have enough immunity.
Having protection against severe disease and death is hardly back where we were before the vaccine.
We don't know yet whether AZ still offers protection against major disease and death in the elderly. That SA test was largely on the young, wasn't it? Who are much less likely to get severe Covid anyway.
I am not being alarmist. Let's hope you are right, you are an expert. Trouble is we just do not know, and it is this uncertainty which is the crippling factor.
It must be quite freaky for the Austrians: they were relying almost entirely on AZ for their vax programme.
You can't have it both ways - the U of Witt study that said the AZ vaccine was ineffective also said this -
A major outbreak of the Boerbug in Austria. Not good. Suggests it is embedded in central Europe, and spreading
An OXAZ vaccinated UK population will be protected against our strain but less so against the SA. The SA will thus have a path to dominance and this, I gather, is a worry, although obviously not an argument for not vaccinating.
It's much less of a worry than is being made out by the news.
Everyone that's had OxAz can get a booster shot in the Autumn/early 2021, no worries.
It's not that its a worry but 1 week ago it was very likely that the UKs AZ vaccinated population would have been able to travel freely from early summer without a care in the world. Now, while we may be able to drive down cases in the UK through immunisation, we will still have to exist in a high state of lockdown to prevent the SA strain growing here.
Essentially we seem to be back to where we were before the AZ vaccine arrived, with only those having had the Pfizer vaccine looking like they will have enough immunity.
Having protection against severe disease and death is hardly back where we were before the vaccine.
We've yet to see performance data of the AZ vaccine for the more elderly population but hopefully you are right.
However, I expect that the restrictions the UK experiences this summer will be more onerous than the ones we had last summer, so in that sense we are back to the beginning.
Yes, unless this outbreak in central Europe fizzles out (and that is possible, inshallah) then I fear this means a considerably longer lockdown; maybe, in some form, until the autumn - when we have plentiful tweaked vaccines that defeat the SA Bug? Also closed borders for much if not all of the year.
What the F does that do to the economy, or indeed, to us?
Remember that the SA study showed that previous infection with Old Covid provides no immunity against SA Covid. So everybody whose already had it could get it again (as happened, perhaps, in Manaus?). It has serious implications.
It is pretty obvious that everything is getting more difficult, more expensive and more burdensome.
But on the other hand we have maintained the sovereignty we have had for the past few centuries so all is well.
I havent seen any sign of anything being more expensive day to day, but what is clear to everyone is our post Brexit vaccine rollout is saving countless lives. Wranglings over shellfish are of course a hardship for those involved but there has been zero downsides so far for the vast majority.
"UPDATE: 30.9% share of N501Y mutants (B.1.1.7, B.1.351 or P.1) in those who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 in the Munich area from February 05-07, 2021. Labor Becker & Kollegen informs."
This same area was one of the main sources of Olde Worlde Covid about a year ago.
Those who do not learn from history....
No it wasn’t. Alto Adige was relatively unaffected while the first wave raged in Lombardy, and to a lesser extent in the Austrian Tyrol. Until recently the Italian Alps have been tier one material.
I meant the Austrian Alps. Ischgl in the Tirol was literally the superspreader town in 2020, and here we go again: the Tirol
So “this same area” comment about the map in your earlier post is actually three hours’ drive away on the other side of some very high mountains and in a different country? And wasn’t “one of the main sources” of first wave COVID at all.
Just as well that your job doesn’t require you to know the slightest thing about geography or travel, eh?
Is tbat meant to be that it's ok for the Senate ITSELF to be prohibited from prosecuting officer holders?
Should it not be procedures and judges and juries to do that?
Right or wrong on any of this, is it equitable for the prosecution, the judge and the jury to decide they can indict and try and convict their prisoner? In absentia. Without appeal.
A major outbreak of the Boerbug in Austria. Not good. Suggests it is embedded in central Europe, and spreading
An OXAZ vaccinated UK population will be protected against our strain but less so against the SA. The SA will thus have a path to dominance and this, I gather, is a worry, although obviously not an argument for not vaccinating.
It's much less of a worry than is being made out by the news.
Everyone that's had OxAz can get a booster shot in the Autumn/early 2021, no worries.
It's not that its a worry but 1 week ago it was very likely that the UKs AZ vaccinated population would have been able to travel freely from early summer without a care in the world. Now, while we may be able to drive down cases in the UK through immunisation, we will still have to exist in a high state of lockdown to prevent the SA strain growing here.
Essentially we seem to be back to where we were before the AZ vaccine arrived, with only those having had the Pfizer vaccine looking like they will have enough immunity.
Having protection against severe disease and death is hardly back where we were before the vaccine.
We don't know yet whether AZ still offers protection against major disease and death in the elderly. That SA test was largely on the young, wasn't it? Who are much less likely to get severe Covid anyway.
I am not being alarmist. Let's hope you are right, you are an expert. Trouble is we just do not know, and it is this uncertainty which is the crippling factor.
It must be quite freaky for the Austrians: they were relying almost entirely on AZ for their vax programme.
There is no other way for a vaccine to protect your health than for it to generate an immune response is there? We know that the immune response to OXAZN in the elderly was completely in line with that of the young. So how can you interpret that in any way other than that the protective effect will also be in line. It's a shame that nobody in the control group had the decency to get severely sick and die to ease your collywobbles, but there we are.
You and Eric are peas in a pod really. He's not really a (medical) doctor and you're not really an artisinal flintnapper -
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
I mean he's citing his sources in the tweet. If his numbers are wrong it will be very easy to demonstrate.
The "numbers" he cites are primarily of the SA study of the AZ vaccine, which were not good, but equally the problems with that study have been extensively discussed on here, and he also fails to mention the study's findings that T-Cell responses were still triggered. He also goes on to simply assume that because the Tyrol is (more or less) in central Europe it must be everywhere. Manchester is (more or less) in the centre of the island of Great Britain and that has not (perhaps yet) happened here. He also fails to mention the fact that even in bleedin' South Africa itself restrictions have been eased and cases are still falling.
Finally, and this really gets me, he uses a handle with "Dr" in it - yet he never finished medical school. If his bio said something like "doctorate in health economics" (which he has) then I could live with it - but he doesn't. He tweets on medical issues using such a twitter handle but fails to make that clear.
The numbers he cites are about cases in Austria, with a link to the source. He doesn't give any numbers for a study of the AZ vaccine.
Is tbat meant to be that it's ok for the Senate ITSELF to be prohibited from prosecuting officer holders?
Should it not be procedures and judges and juries to do that?
Right or wrong on any of this, is it equitable for the prosecution, the judge and the jury to decide they can indict and try and convict their prisoner? In absentia. Without appeal.
The House tries, the Senate judges and passes sentence.
And this only applies to those elected to federal office. So yes, the Senate has the right to judge, and the House the right to try.
* Edit, but the tweet is wrong to suggest the Senate both tries and judges. It judges.
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In case you never noticed that.
Weather and population density are never an issue, unless lockdowners say they are. Look at the way NZ is held up as an example, in the middle of its summer.
Although I am over 50 (you are too perhaps?) I find your suggestion really rather age discriminatory.
As I mentioned the other day, the unintended consequences of such a policy would be massive. It is a harsh reality that if western countries drive to get their whole population vaccinated there is much greater chance of ramped up vaccine production which will also help the developing world.
Set in Wigan there would have been strippers, drugs, raves and bouncers who wouldnt have had any time to have wryly inane conversations or trips to the chippy.
Brian Potter was even nicknamed Ironside.
If you persist in being a virtue signalling hypocrite then I will call it out.
To seek to deny vaccinations to your compatriots, while insisting you want people like Glitter vaccinated so they don't the bug on to others, is pure rank hypocrisy and you should be ashamed of yourself or renounce the absurd suggestion of stopping vaccinations.
I'm more likely to come into contact with vulnerable free people than Glitter is.
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1358916234650275848?s=20
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1358916360420605964?s=20
Death of a loved one.
Divorce.
Moving.
Major illness or injury.
Job loss.
Hope you don’t have any of the other four to contend with any time.
New Zealand has always been an absurd comparator.
1. They should not be allowed to.
2. They should be forced to.
3. They should be allowed to but discouraged and frowned upon if they do.
4. They should be allowed to and encouraged and praised if they do.
Iran cleric: People who are vaccinated for COVID have ‘become homosexuals’
If its nothing, awks.
https://twitter.com/LaborBecker/status/1358824485890252802?s=20
"UPDATE: 30.9% share of N501Y mutants (B.1.1.7, B.1.351 or P.1) in those who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 in the Munich area from February 05-07, 2021. Labor Becker & Kollegen informs."
B1351 is the SA Variant.
https://twitter.com/aleksj/status/1359085445590773766?s=20
This same area was one of the main sources of Olde Worlde Covid about a year ago.
Those who do not learn from history....
The common cold will highly likely be at lower numbers too (They're rino and corona viruses)
This whirlwind tour through viral Covid-19 themes felt like the conversational equivalent of Feigl-Ding’s Twitter account, which has grown by orders of magnitude since the dawn of the pandemic. The Harvard-trained scientist and 2018 Congressional aspirant posts dozens of times daily, often in the form of long, numbered threads. He’s fond of emojis, caps lock, and bombastic phrases. The first words of his very first viral tweet were “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.”
...
But as Feigl-Ding’s influence has grown, so have the voices of his critics, many of them fellow scientists who have expressed ongoing concern over his tweets, which they say are often unnecessarily alarmist, misleading, or sometimes just plain wrong. “Science misinformation is a huge problem right now — I think we can all appreciate it — [and] he’s a constant source of it,” said Saskia Popescu, an infectious disease epidemiologist at George Mason University and the University of Arizona who serves on FAS’ Covid-19 Rapid Response Taskforce, a separate arm of the organization from Feigl-Ding’s work. Tara Smith, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Kent State University, suggested that Feigl-Ding’s reach means his tweets have the power to be hugely influential. “With as large of a following as he has, when he says something that’s really wrong or misleading, it reverberates throughout the Twittersphere,” she said.
...
To Angela Rasmussen, a Columbia University virologist, this represents a pattern. “[T]his is his MO,” she wrote in an email. “He tweets something sensational and out of context, buries any caveats further down-thread, and watches the clicks and [retweets] roll in.”
...
Feigl-Ding also glosses over his decision to leave medical school, which he enrolled in briefly after completing his Harvard degree. “I realized life’s about what you do, not the number of letters behind your name,” Feigl-Ding said, “and at that point, I already had dual doctorates in two other things, and you know, pursuing a medical degree would’ve been a little bit overkill.”
https://undark.org/2020/11/25/complicated-rise-of-eric-feigl-ding/
https://twitter.com/everesists/status/1358930155507486721?s=20
No idea if that is true, others dispute it.
However there is little doubt that Austrian ski resorts are - once again - spreading the virus.
"The province, a winter sports hotspot, has so far been unable to explain how the variant arrived in the Ziller Valley, long a popular tourist area. Austrian ski lifts have been allowed to open since Dec. 24."
One incredible detail:
"* Province includes Ischgl, which had big outbreak a year ago"
EXACTLY the same place
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2KE13R?__twitter_impression=true
The fact that Germany is threatening to close the border with Austria suggests he is right, this time. This is seriously worrying. If there is widespread community transmission of the SA Variant in central Europe we are in a right old pickle
https://twitter.com/TheLocalAustria/status/1359108553106100226?s=20
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1359122413699682304?s=20
https://twitter.com/WSJopinion/status/1358511795200229376
What with covid, BBC license fee cases and whole cohorts of people being dragged into the net of criminality, your case is never getting to court.
Plus no furlough for burglars.
Anyway, the idea that this is *alarmism* is PB at its most effete and pathetic: emotionally unable to confront bad news.
"Due to the current data situation and the apparently uncontrollable spread of South Africa mutations, Tyrol is declared a "restricted zone" and can only be left with a negative Corona test. One of the largest police operations in recent years - within Austria or borders with Germany, Italy, etc. - is underway."
https://www.krone.at/2338642
Hangers and floggers should pause and wait a bit.
Akin to blasphemy. But very, very, funny.
Essentially we seem to be back to where we were before the AZ vaccine arrived, with only those having had the Pfizer vaccine looking like they will have enough immunity.
The absence of a medical degree is no real indication of authority here.
https://twitter.com/gernot_ruzicka/status/1357942493216669696?s=20
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1330238324246765574?s=20
Outrage as Oxford University renames its prestigious Wykeham chair of physics after a Chinese firm 'with links to country's spy agency' - in return for a £700,000 donation.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9238209/Oxford-Unis-Wykeham-chair-renamed-Tencent-Wykeham-China-firm-links-spy-agency.html
Finally, and this really gets me, he uses a handle with "Dr" in it - yet he never finished medical school. If his bio said something like "doctorate in health economics" (which he has) then I could live with it - but he doesn't. He tweets on medical issues using such a twitter handle but fails to make that clear.
I am not being alarmist. Let's hope you are right, you are an expert. Trouble is we just do not know, and it is this uncertainty which is the crippling factor.
It must be quite freaky for the Austrians: they were relying almost entirely on AZ for their vax programme.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/08/joe-biden-set-to-save-52-death-row-prisoners-from-being-executed-14044172/?ito=facebook|social|metroukfacebook&fbclid=IwAR0W7-llMRBq4GkPWXg50vWmgE-fg0xGO5a256vmVuf7TmKzGQemKFIryIA
https://twitter.com/remiadetiba/status/1357509522764533760
And the mountains will still be there when this is all over. OK, so some of the slopes might be rather glassy....
He doesn't say everywhere, he says it is "likely all over central Europe": Austria, Germany, north Italy, and so forth.
And I fear he may be correct.
"Both the variant from Great Britain named B.1.1.7 and the South African variant B.1.351 have been identified in more and more federal states in recent weeks. A collaborative project that collects newspaper reports about it now counts almost 1,000 infections with the various mutated viruses in Germany. It is noticeable that the cases increasingly occur without a direct travel connection."
https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/120768/Erste-Hochrechnung-zur-Verbreitung-der-Coronamutationen
However, I expect that the restrictions the UK experiences this summer will be more onerous than the ones we had last summer, so in that sense we are back to the beginning.
No it wasn’t. Alto Adige was relatively unaffected while the first wave raged in Lombardy, and to a lesser extent in the Austrian Tyrol. Until recently this part of the Italian Alps have been tier one material.
Is Austria on the red list yet?
It's easy enough to say "let's extend the furlough" but in practice that means huge costs and something no Chancellor would be willing to do unless absolutely necessary.
https://twitter.com/DerekWainwright/status/1238058933190877184?s=20
https://twitter.com/BR24/status/1359136006813941762?s=20
A question arises from reading it: If an independent Scotland wants to join the EU why is it's policy to have an informal link with Sterling instead of the Euro?
Or am I misreading our SNP friends?
https://www.these-islands.co.uk/publications/i371/scotlands_next_financial_crisis.aspx
In a fire you want to listen to the calm guy showing you where the fire exits and extinguishers are, not the guy screaming "HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!" (as Eric did last January). The screaming guy is an alarmist and is, by drowning our the calm guy, doing more harm than good and there is no shame, nor is it "effete" (in fact quite the opposite) to point that out.
It is pretty obvious that everything is getting more difficult, more expensive and more burdensome.
But on the other hand we have maintained the sovereignty we have had for the past few centuries so all is well.
Not bad given the awful weather here in the East but my hopes of us smashing the 15m target with 2 or 3 days to spare look like they've gone out the window, I now expect us to reach the number on Sunday.
https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1358749432729112577
Eric extensively quoted Dr Zoe but failed to add that context.
What the F does that do to the economy, or indeed, to us?
Remember that the SA study showed that previous infection with Old Covid provides no immunity against SA Covid. So everybody whose already had it could get it again (as happened, perhaps, in Manaus?). It has serious implications.
33 countries down, 170ish still to go.
Just as well that your job doesn’t require you to know the slightest thing about geography or travel, eh?
Also I would argue getting less of the stuff you want is a strange idea of sovereignty.
Should it not be procedures and judges and juries to do that?
Right or wrong on any of this, is it equitable for the prosecution, the judge and the jury to decide they can indict and try and convict their prisoner? In absentia. Without appeal.
Another rather disappointing number from England. Probably still impacted by the snow.
Scotland number is very good. Maybe using up those vaccine stockpiles?
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1359094872918142978
And this only applies to those elected to federal office. So yes, the Senate has the right to judge, and the House the right to try.
* Edit, but the tweet is wrong to suggest the Senate both tries and judges. It judges.