... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
It's about trajectory. Quite simply, their effort is ramping up at a much, much slower rate. So they are behind and not accelerating as fast.
A beautifully written and researched article. Which falls down on the idea that kicking some loudmouths off Twitter is by any stretch comparable with witch trials. Or Diversity Officers as Witchfinders. Other than that kudos. Pity I'll never correspond with the author.
I can't find any reference to extending 12 weeks being policy...all I can see is some articles from a couple of weeks ago saying it is a possible in worst case scenario, but highly unlikely.
Did you check Skwawkbox?
No our local vaccine centre told us.
Is that good enough source or do you have a better one?
Mrs C had her (AZN) vaccine this morning and was told 12 weeks to the second. I had a Pfizer one on 16th and was told 8 weeks.
My aunt got hers done this morning as well, again given an exact appointment for 2nd dose at 12 weeks.
My father got his done 2 weeks ago, not given one. It was we will contact you.
I just think there are slight differences regionally about exactly how they are doing this.
I think that's right, Mr U. Underlines the wisdom of letting local NHS bodies organise themselves, rather than having a central diktat, although across the border in Suffolk there are complaints about the slowness of the process, and to be fair I was grumbling a couple of weeks ago about Mid-Essex NHS taking it's time over getting itself into gear.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
Yes, but the running rate in the UK is now miles faster, and will stay that way for some time.
What matters in terms of how far behind is the UK's current rate versus the EU's rate in 3 weeks. If the EU curve has the same shape as the UK's it will remain 3 weeks behind. Steeper, it will be less behind, and shallower, further. I don't know what the coming weeks will hold for vaccination rates, but the fairest metric today is 3 weeks.
Obviously the EU's not going to overtake the UK's vaccinations (by proportion of population vaccinated) anytime soon, probably ever. But "months behind" is probably an exaggeration right now.
According to the article, it's actually said that vaccines made in the UK should form part of the vaccines that the EU receives - that's not quite the same thing. If AZN is meeting it's (best efforts, presumably) contractual commitments to the UK then it would be expected that excess capacity would be used to meet contractual commitments elsewhere. It's surely inevitable that the UK factories will be sending some to the EU, at least in time, as the EU-based Pfizer factories are sending vaccines to us (as we have a contract to receive those).
“The UK agreement was reached in June, three months before the European one. As you could imagine, the UK government said the supply coming out of the UK supply chain would go to the UK first. Basically, that's how it is. In the EU agreement it is mentioned that the manufacturing sites in the UK were an option for Europe, but only later. But we're moving very quickly, the supply in the UK is very rapid. The government is vaccinating 2.5 million people a week, about 500,000 a day, our vaccine supply is growing quickly. As soon as we have reached a sufficient number of vaccinations in the UK, we will be able to use that site to help Europe as well. But the contract with the UK was signed first and the UK, of course, said “you supply us first”, and this is fair enough. This vaccine was developed with the UK government, Oxford and with us as well. As soon as we can, we'll help the EU. I mean, as a company we are half Swedish and half British. In fact, we're global, of course, but we are European as much as we are British".
my bold
I dont think we have sufficient vaccine or that our vaccine supply is growing quickly enough.
Mrs BJO had her first jab today and the date of the 2nd jab was crossed out on the AZN card. The vaccine centre she visited said they had been told this morning not to hand out cards with 2nd jab dates on and to warn people it could be 20 weeks before the 2nd jab.
"Government intends to give everyone a first jab before doing 2nd jabs at 12 weeks, and we have had to cross out appointment dates"
We had our Pfizer vaccinations last Saturday and we had a card with the record of the first vaccination including the batch number, location and date
The Doctor told us the next vaccination would be within 11 weeks and of course we were told to come back with the card to be updated then. There was no entry at all on the line under the first vaccination as they do not know the date, but neither the batch number or vaccination location. I do question your comment that the a card was filled in with a crossed out second date and this 20 week allegation
If we take into account your comments on the fake news of 8% effectiveness of the AZ vaccine, then I do wonder whether you just want to make mischief in a subject that is far too serious for that
Fuck off BigG i would never lie about what we were told that is a disgusting comment
If what you are saying is true WTF aren't you calling your local newspaper and telling people about it rather than posting it on a small specialist blog.
That story would dominate the local news tonight and would ensure your second vaccination was well within 12 weeks.
These are British MADE vaccines. Not necessarily vaccines made for British arms. Just vaccines made here?
Correct?
For AstraZeneca, I think they have different supply chains for different customers, localizing production to the extent practical. Thus, I believe, AZN did not intent to supply the EU order from British production, but from the Belgian plant. I could be wrong and stand to be corrected.
Off topic . Does anyone know why TSB mobile and Internet banking is down so much ?
The old system was shit, and when Sabadell screwed up the migration it locked people out for weeks back in 2018, ever since they only do small changes, rather than the big one they need to do, which is why it keeps on going down so often.
There's also speculation that Sabadell want to sell TSB and don't want to spend the money to do a proper upgrade.
I don't think it's controversial to say the EU are taking the piss here.
We just need to ignore it and continue on as we are doing. The vaccine roll-out is going well. We don't need to engage with this nonsense.
We might not want to engage, but if they ban exports that causes the UK problems.
Well if they ban exports of Pfizer we ban exports of AZ and everyone loses.
Ultimately I don't think anyone is going to ban exports. This is just a load of hot air.
If they ban exports then the UK, US and Switzerland will respond in kind, as you pointed out yesterday the production of pharmaceutical products is hugely integrated. I also think it would lead to a very large exodus of pharma from the EU, even in the short term in the middle of a pandemic. Those kinds of business restrictions would prevent them from fulfilling contracts signed with other clients in good faith. What would, for example, Israel do, it's whole programme is dependent on timely supply from Pfizer out of Belgium.
This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Israel would be a bit pissed off if the exports were banned. Unless the EU is so vindictive it will only ban exports to the UK?
When this is resolved without any of these lurid prophesies coming to pass, how about £5 to Mermaids from every europhobe who has made them?
Good cause benefits AND it's a disincentive for similar happening next time.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
These are British MADE vaccines. Not necessarily vaccines made for British arms. Just vaccines made here?
Correct?
For AstraZeneca, I think they have different supply chains for different customers, localizing production to the extent practical. Thus, I believe, AZN did not intent to supply the EU order from British production, but from the Belgian plant. I could be wrong and stand to be corrected.
Indeed but supplying vaccines from Britain doesn't necessarily mean diverting them from British arms, depending upon how quickly they are being manufactured here.
According to the article, it's actually said that vaccines made in the UK should form part of the vaccines that the EU receives - that's not quite the same thing. If AZN is meeting it's (best efforts, presumably) contractual commitments to the UK then it would be expected that excess capacity would be used to meet contractual commitments elsewhere. It's surely inevitable that the UK factories will be sending some to the EU, at least in time, as the EU-based Pfizer factories are sending vaccines to us (as we have a contract to receive those).
“The UK agreement was reached in June, three months before the European one. As you could imagine, the UK government said the supply coming out of the UK supply chain would go to the UK first. Basically, that's how it is. In the EU agreement it is mentioned that the manufacturing sites in the UK were an option for Europe, but only later. But we're moving very quickly, the supply in the UK is very rapid. The government is vaccinating 2.5 million people a week, about 500,000 a day, our vaccine supply is growing quickly. As soon as we have reached a sufficient number of vaccinations in the UK, we will be able to use that site to help Europe as well. But the contract with the UK was signed first and the UK, of course, said “you supply us first”, and this is fair enough. This vaccine was developed with the UK government, Oxford and with us as well. As soon as we can, we'll help the EU. I mean, as a company we are half Swedish and half British. In fact, we're global, of course, but we are European as much as we are British".
my bold
I dont think we have sufficient vaccine or that our vaccine supply is growing quickly enough.
Mrs BJO had her first jab today and the date of the 2nd jab was crossed out on the AZN card. The vaccine centre she visited said they had been told this morning not to hand out cards with 2nd jab dates on and to warn people it could be 20 weeks before the 2nd jab.
"Government intends to give everyone a first jab before doing 2nd jabs at 12 weeks, and we have had to cross out appointment dates"
We had our Pfizer vaccinations last Saturday and we had a card with the record of the first vaccination including the batch number, location and date
The Doctor told us the next vaccination would be within 11 weeks and of course we were told to come back with the card to be updated then. There was no entry at all on the line under the first vaccination as they do not know the date, but neither the batch number or vaccination location. I do question your comment that the a card was filled in with a crossed out second date and this 20 week allegation
If we take into account your comments on the fake news of 8% effectiveness of the AZ vaccine, then I do wonder whether you just want to make mischief in a subject that is far too serious for that
Fuck off BigG i would never lie about what we were told that is a disgusting comment
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
Yes, but the running rate in the UK is now miles faster, and will stay that way for some time.
What matters in terms of how far behind is the UK's current rate versus the EU's rate in 3 weeks. If the EU curve has the same shape as the UK's it will remain 3 weeks behind. Steeper, it will be less behind, and shallower, further. I don't know what the coming weeks will hold for vaccination rates, but the fairest metric today is 3 weeks.
Obviously the EU's not going to overtake the UK's vaccinations (by proportion of population vaccinated) anytime soon, probably ever. But "months behind" is probably an exaggeration right now.
Most countries in Europe have shown no signs accelerating their efforts, or indeed of setting up the infrastructure to do so.
Now in the world of Woke, as a non-Asian am I allowed to find that funny or is it cultural appropriation? For the record, it did make me chuckle, bit worried it might make me a racist for thinking that all Indians prefer spicy food.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
Yes, but the running rate in the UK is now miles faster, and will stay that way for some time.
What matters in terms of how far behind is the UK's current rate versus the EU's rate in 3 weeks. If the EU curve has the same shape as the UK's it will remain 3 weeks behind. Steeper, it will be less behind, and shallower, further. I don't know what the coming weeks will hold for vaccination rates, but the fairest metric today is 3 weeks.
Obviously the EU's not going to overtake the UK's vaccination rate anytime soon, probably ever. But "months behind" is probably an exaggeration right now.
What matters in terms of how far behind they are is the combination of the jabs to date and the projected jabs coming in the next few months. Sure, if they had 100 million doses arriving next week, they wouldn't be months behind. But they don't.
These are British MADE vaccines. Not necessarily vaccines made for British arms. Just vaccines made here?
Correct?
For AstraZeneca, I think they have different supply chains for different customers, localizing production to the extent practical. Thus, I believe, AZN did not intent to supply the EU order from British production, but from the Belgian plant. I could be wrong and stand to be corrected.
EU and AZ agree British production is part of EU supply. The dispute is when British production becomes part of EU supply, not if. EU says by now, AZ says not yet.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
Yes, but the running rate in the UK is now miles faster, and will stay that way for some time.
What matters in terms of how far behind is the UK's current rate versus the EU's rate in 3 weeks. If the EU curve has the same shape as the UK's it will remain 3 weeks behind. Steeper, it will be less behind, and shallower, further. I don't know what the coming weeks will hold for vaccination rates, but the fairest metric today is 3 weeks.
Obviously the EU's not going to overtake the UK's vaccinations (by proportion of population vaccinated) anytime soon, probably ever. But "months behind" is probably an exaggeration right now.
Most countries in Europe have shown no signs accelerating their efforts, or indeed of setting up the infrastructure to do so.
You don't just buy some vaccine and shout "Jab!"
That seems to be the Dutch approach....it is "we will Jab tomorrow"...like they are about to start some fab diet.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
It's about trajectory. Quite simply, their effort is ramping up at a much, much slower rate. So they are behind and not accelerating as fast.
It looks to me that the trajectory for the EU is the same as it was for the UK on 3rd January. Look at the lines. From 20th December to 3rd January, the UK went from about 1% to about 2%. For the EU, from 11th January to 25th January, it's pretty similar. Actually, slightly more than a 1% rise there for the EU but similar enough to call it equal. Trajectories and values for the EU are the same as the UK, lagged by 3 weeks. So far.
Off topic . Does anyone know why TSB mobile and Internet banking is down so much ?
The old system was shit, and when Sabadell screwed up the migration it locked people out for weeks back in 2018, ever since they only do small changes, rather than the big one they need to do, which is why it keeps on going down so often.
There's also speculation that Sabadell want to sell TSB and don't want to spend the money to do a proper upgrade.
Thanks much appreciated.
Have to admit the new TSB cards are fantastic, visually speaking.
According to the article, it's actually said that vaccines made in the UK should form part of the vaccines that the EU receives - that's not quite the same thing. If AZN is meeting it's (best efforts, presumably) contractual commitments to the UK then it would be expected that excess capacity would be used to meet contractual commitments elsewhere. It's surely inevitable that the UK factories will be sending some to the EU, at least in time, as the EU-based Pfizer factories are sending vaccines to us (as we have a contract to receive those).
“The UK agreement was reached in June, three months before the European one. As you could imagine, the UK government said the supply coming out of the UK supply chain would go to the UK first. Basically, that's how it is. In the EU agreement it is mentioned that the manufacturing sites in the UK were an option for Europe, but only later. But we're moving very quickly, the supply in the UK is very rapid. The government is vaccinating 2.5 million people a week, about 500,000 a day, our vaccine supply is growing quickly. As soon as we have reached a sufficient number of vaccinations in the UK, we will be able to use that site to help Europe as well. But the contract with the UK was signed first and the UK, of course, said “you supply us first”, and this is fair enough. This vaccine was developed with the UK government, Oxford and with us as well. As soon as we can, we'll help the EU. I mean, as a company we are half Swedish and half British. In fact, we're global, of course, but we are European as much as we are British".
my bold
I dont think we have sufficient vaccine or that our vaccine supply is growing quickly enough.
Mrs BJO had her first jab today and the date of the 2nd jab was crossed out on the AZN card. The vaccine centre she visited said they had been told this morning not to hand out cards with 2nd jab dates on and to warn people it could be 20 weeks before the 2nd jab.
"Government intends to give everyone a first jab before doing 2nd jabs at 12 weeks, and we have had to cross out appointment dates"
We had our Pfizer vaccinations last Saturday and we had a card with the record of the first vaccination including the batch number, location and date
The Doctor told us the next vaccination would be within 11 weeks and of course we were told to come back with the card to be updated then. There was no entry at all on the line under the first vaccination as they do not know the date, but neither the batch number or vaccination location. I do question your comment that the a card was filled in with a crossed out second date and this 20 week allegation
If we take into account your comments on the fake news of 8% effectiveness of the AZ vaccine, then I do wonder whether you just want to make mischief in a subject that is far too serious for that
Fuck off BigG i would never lie about what we were told that is a disgusting comment
Yes hope you get an apology.
There is no evidence that anyone has been given a 20 week wait and BJO's comments on the rumours about AZ and the 8% were an anti vaccine dream
As has been said he should be reporting it to the media rather than swearing at me
These are British MADE vaccines. Not necessarily vaccines made for British arms. Just vaccines made here?
Correct?
They can't force AZN to route British made vaccines to the continent.
So they're threatening to blockade Pfizer vaccines being sold to the UK, when we've already paid for them and have the contracts for them.
Only problem for the EU is that we've already vaccinated most of our vulnerable people with the Pfizer vaccine, and we can use the AZ vaccine for everyone else.
Off topic . Does anyone know why TSB mobile and Internet banking is down so much ?
The old system was shit, and when Sabadell screwed up the migration it locked people out for weeks back in 2018, ever since they only do small changes, rather than the big one they need to do, which is why it keeps on going down so often.
There's also speculation that Sabadell want to sell TSB and don't want to spend the money to do a proper upgrade.
Thanks much appreciated.
Have to admit the new TSB cards are fantastic, visually speaking.
They're just copying the Monzo/Starling trend really.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
It's about trajectory. Quite simply, their effort is ramping up at a much, much slower rate. So they are behind and not accelerating as fast.
It looks to me that the trajectory for the EU is the same as it was for the UK on 3rd January. Look at the lines. From 20th December to 3rd January, the UK went from about 1% to about 2%. For the EU, from 11th January to 25th January, it's pretty similar. Actually, slightly more than a 1% rise there for the EU but similar enough to call it equal. Trajectories and values for the EU are the same as the UK, lagged by 3 weeks. So far.
As I said - getting the numbers up requires more than just vaccine.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
Yes, but the running rate in the UK is now miles faster, and will stay that way for some time.
What matters in terms of how far behind is the UK's current rate versus the EU's rate in 3 weeks. If the EU curve has the same shape as the UK's it will remain 3 weeks behind. Steeper, it will be less behind, and shallower, further. I don't know what the coming weeks will hold for vaccination rates, but the fairest metric today is 3 weeks.
Obviously the EU's not going to overtake the UK's vaccinations (by proportion of population vaccinated) anytime soon, probably ever. But "months behind" is probably an exaggeration right now.
Most countries in Europe have shown no signs accelerating their efforts, or indeed of setting up the infrastructure to do so.
You don't just buy some vaccine and shout "Jab!"
I assume many cannot accelerate that much due to supply issues - we couldn't until AZ came on line I think - but judging if they are readying for it seems harder. I don't doubt they can do it, but it should be ready to go as soon as they get supplies.
These are British MADE vaccines. Not necessarily vaccines made for British arms. Just vaccines made here?
Correct?
They can't force AZN to route British made vaccines to the continent.
So they're threatening to blockade Pfizer vaccines being sold to the UK, when we've already paid for them and have the contracts for them.
Only problem for the EU is that we've already vaccinated most of our vulnerable people with the Pfizer vaccine, and we can use the AZ vaccine for everyone else.
But we need the Pfizer vaccines to give those people their second doses.
It's really something you can't block without real problems.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
Yes, but the running rate in the UK is now miles faster, and will stay that way for some time.
What matters in terms of how far behind is the UK's current rate versus the EU's rate in 3 weeks. If the EU curve has the same shape as the UK's it will remain 3 weeks behind. Steeper, it will be less behind, and shallower, further. I don't know what the coming weeks will hold for vaccination rates, but the fairest metric today is 3 weeks.
Obviously the EU's not going to overtake the UK's vaccinations (by proportion of population vaccinated) anytime soon, probably ever. But "months behind" is probably an exaggeration right now.
No, months is accurate.
The question to ask is at what point they will reach the stage where we are today. 3 weeks ago they were 3 weeks behind, as they've only just caught up with where we were 3 weeks ago. But that doesn't mean they're still 3 weeks behind now. Unless something dramatically changes they're going to take months now to catch up to >10 doses per 100 people.
Two trains set off from the same location, one travelling at 60 miles per hour, one travelling at 30 miles an hour. After an hour train one has travelled 60 miles. By the time train 2 has travelled 60 miles, train 1 has now travelled 120 miles; train 2 is now 60 miles behind car, which is 2 hours behind - not half an hour or one hour.
Off topic . Does anyone know why TSB mobile and Internet banking is down so much ?
The old system was shit, and when Sabadell screwed up the migration it locked people out for weeks back in 2018, ever since they only do small changes, rather than the big one they need to do, which is why it keeps on going down so often.
There's also speculation that Sabadell want to sell TSB and don't want to spend the money to do a proper upgrade.
Thanks much appreciated.
Have to admit the new TSB cards are fantastic, visually speaking.
They're just copying the Monzo/Starling trend really.
JP Morgan is starting retail banking in Britain, according to BBG.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
It's about trajectory. Quite simply, their effort is ramping up at a much, much slower rate. So they are behind and not accelerating as fast.
It looks to me that the trajectory for the EU is the same as it was for the UK on 3rd January. Look at the lines. From 20th December to 3rd January, the UK went from about 1% to about 2%. For the EU, from 11th January to 25th January, it's pretty similar. Actually, slightly more than a 1% rise there for the EU but similar enough to call it equal. Trajectories and values for the EU are the same as the UK, lagged by 3 weeks. So far.
As I said - getting the numbers up requires more than just vaccine.
Sure, and I'm being careful not to project forwards. I'm just talking about what has happened so far. Value and differential so far are matching (+3 weeks). I do not know what is going to happen in the coming weeks, and if you say you do I'll take you at your word.
Dr Anthony Fauci, President Joe Biden’s top medical adviser, is encouraging Americans to "double-mask" - that is, wearing two face coverings layered on top of each other.
“It just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective,” he said.
Dr Anthony Fauci, President Joe Biden’s top medical adviser, is encouraging Americans to "double-mask" - that is, wearing two face coverings layered on top of each other.
“It just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective,” he said.
Is it common sense to triple mask then? Quadruple mask? We should get Gillette involved.
According to the article, it's actually said that vaccines made in the UK should form part of the vaccines that the EU receives - that's not quite the same thing. If AZN is meeting it's (best efforts, presumably) contractual commitments to the UK then it would be expected that excess capacity would be used to meet contractual commitments elsewhere. It's surely inevitable that the UK factories will be sending some to the EU, at least in time, as the EU-based Pfizer factories are sending vaccines to us (as we have a contract to receive those).
“The UK agreement was reached in June, three months before the European one. As you could imagine, the UK government said the supply coming out of the UK supply chain would go to the UK first. Basically, that's how it is. In the EU agreement it is mentioned that the manufacturing sites in the UK were an option for Europe, but only later. But we're moving very quickly, the supply in the UK is very rapid. The government is vaccinating 2.5 million people a week, about 500,000 a day, our vaccine supply is growing quickly. As soon as we have reached a sufficient number of vaccinations in the UK, we will be able to use that site to help Europe as well. But the contract with the UK was signed first and the UK, of course, said “you supply us first”, and this is fair enough. This vaccine was developed with the UK government, Oxford and with us as well. As soon as we can, we'll help the EU. I mean, as a company we are half Swedish and half British. In fact, we're global, of course, but we are European as much as we are British".
my bold
I dont think we have sufficient vaccine or that our vaccine supply is growing quickly enough.
Mrs BJO had her first jab today and the date of the 2nd jab was crossed out on the AZN card. The vaccine centre she visited said they had been told this morning not to hand out cards with 2nd jab dates on and to warn people it could be 20 weeks before the 2nd jab.
"Government intends to give everyone a first jab before doing 2nd jabs at 12 weeks, and we have had to cross out appointment dates"
We had our Pfizer vaccinations last Saturday and we had a card with the record of the first vaccination including the batch number, location and date
The Doctor told us the next vaccination would be within 11 weeks and of course we were told to come back with the card to be updated then. There was no entry at all on the line under the first vaccination as they do not know the date, but neither the batch number or vaccination location. I do question your comment that the a card was filled in with a crossed out second date and this 20 week allegation
If we take into account your comments on the fake news of 8% effectiveness of the AZ vaccine, then I do wonder whether you just want to make mischief in a subject that is far too serious for that
Fuck off BigG i would never lie about what we were told that is a disgusting comment
Yes hope you get an apology.
There is no evidence that anyone has been given a 20 week wait and BJO's comments on the rumours about AZ and the 8% were an anti vaccine dream
As has been said he should be reporting it to the media rather than swearing at me
I have sent you a pm with the image of her appointment card.
As the 20 week comment was verbal, do you wish to speak to Mrs BJ too or are you accusing her of being in on it
If you refuse to apologize that says more about you than me TBH
These are British MADE vaccines. Not necessarily vaccines made for British arms. Just vaccines made here?
Correct?
For AstraZeneca, I think they have different supply chains for different customers, localizing production to the extent practical. Thus, I believe, AZN did not intent to supply the EU order from British production, but from the Belgian plant. I could be wrong and stand to be corrected.
There might be minor issues at one or other of their plants which could hit delivery, too.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
It's about trajectory. Quite simply, their effort is ramping up at a much, much slower rate. So they are behind and not accelerating as fast.
It looks to me that the trajectory for the EU is the same as it was for the UK on 3rd January. Look at the lines. From 20th December to 3rd January, the UK went from about 1% to about 2%. For the EU, from 11th January to 25th January, it's pretty similar. Actually, slightly more than a 1% rise there for the EU but similar enough to call it equal. Trajectories and values for the EU are the same as the UK, lagged by 3 weeks. So far.
As I said - getting the numbers up requires more than just vaccine.
Sure, and I'm being careful not to project forwards. I'm just talking about what has happened so far. Value and differential so far are matching (+3 weeks). I do not know what is going to happen in the coming weeks, and if you say you do I'll take you at your word.
In order to deliver the vaccine a supply chain from the factories to the arms of the population is required.
With some exceptions (Germany for example) this chain hasn't been expanded very much in most of Europe.
This chain was massively expanded in the US, Israel and the UK (for some examples) This did not happen over night - preparations were made over a period of months. A lot of money was spent, in those countries and others.
It's the same story - first time was a tragedy, this time as farce (and rather entertaining).
There was good one in the Oil & Gas business post 2008. Lots of city wizz kids were looking for new fields to conquer, since some derivatives were somewhat out of favour.
So they though they would get into delivery contracts. So they bought at what seemed low low prices - from the specialist trading outfits. Then learnt all about physical delivery contracts.... the very hard way...
Coincidentally, Supercontango won the 4.05 at Lingfield.
According to the article, it's actually said that vaccines made in the UK should form part of the vaccines that the EU receives - that's not quite the same thing. If AZN is meeting it's (best efforts, presumably) contractual commitments to the UK then it would be expected that excess capacity would be used to meet contractual commitments elsewhere. It's surely inevitable that the UK factories will be sending some to the EU, at least in time, as the EU-based Pfizer factories are sending vaccines to us (as we have a contract to receive those).
“The UK agreement was reached in June, three months before the European one. As you could imagine, the UK government said the supply coming out of the UK supply chain would go to the UK first. Basically, that's how it is. In the EU agreement it is mentioned that the manufacturing sites in the UK were an option for Europe, but only later. But we're moving very quickly, the supply in the UK is very rapid. The government is vaccinating 2.5 million people a week, about 500,000 a day, our vaccine supply is growing quickly. As soon as we have reached a sufficient number of vaccinations in the UK, we will be able to use that site to help Europe as well. But the contract with the UK was signed first and the UK, of course, said “you supply us first”, and this is fair enough. This vaccine was developed with the UK government, Oxford and with us as well. As soon as we can, we'll help the EU. I mean, as a company we are half Swedish and half British. In fact, we're global, of course, but we are European as much as we are British".
my bold
I dont think we have sufficient vaccine or that our vaccine supply is growing quickly enough.
Mrs BJO had her first jab today and the date of the 2nd jab was crossed out on the AZN card. The vaccine centre she visited said they had been told this morning not to hand out cards with 2nd jab dates on and to warn people it could be 20 weeks before the 2nd jab.
"Government intends to give everyone a first jab before doing 2nd jabs at 12 weeks, and we have had to cross out appointment dates"
We had our Pfizer vaccinations last Saturday and we had a card with the record of the first vaccination including the batch number, location and date
The Doctor told us the next vaccination would be within 11 weeks and of course we were told to come back with the card to be updated then. There was no entry at all on the line under the first vaccination as they do not know the date, but neither the batch number or vaccination location. I do question your comment that the a card was filled in with a crossed out second date and this 20 week allegation
If we take into account your comments on the fake news of 8% effectiveness of the AZ vaccine, then I do wonder whether you just want to make mischief in a subject that is far too serious for that
Fuck off BigG i would never lie about what we were told that is a disgusting comment
Yes hope you get an apology.
There is no evidence that anyone has been given a 20 week wait and BJO's comments on the rumours about AZ and the 8% were an anti vaccine dream
As has been said he should be reporting it to the media rather than swearing at me
I have sent you a pm with the image of her appointment card.
As the 20 week comment was verbal, do you wish to speak to Mrs BJ too or are you accusing her of being in on it
If you refuse to apologize that says more about you than me TBH
Other anecdotes on here suggest no one is getting an appointment date, so it isn't particularly unusual. The 20 week comment is strange, but doesn't seem consistent with what the NHS chief said today on the subject.
The people managing and administering the injections are doing a fantastic job. Johnson set a target, a brave and ambitious target. If we hit it, great, if we don't we won't be far off, and there are no guarantees that supply or the weather might see a hiccup or two in the smooth delivery.
Johnson has a number of serious questions to answer on his pandemic performance, but through luck or judgement, vaccine provision has been a triumph.
These are British MADE vaccines. Not necessarily vaccines made for British arms. Just vaccines made here?
Correct?
They can't force AZN to route British made vaccines to the continent.
So they're threatening to blockade Pfizer vaccines being sold to the UK, when we've already paid for them and have the contracts for them.
Only problem for the EU is that we've already vaccinated most of our vulnerable people with the Pfizer vaccine, and we can use the AZ vaccine for everyone else.
But we need the Pfizer vaccines to give those people their second doses.
It's really something you can't block without real problems.
Pretty sure we have plenty more already here, although the government doesn't want to reveal information for security reasons.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
It's about trajectory. Quite simply, their effort is ramping up at a much, much slower rate. So they are behind and not accelerating as fast.
The President of Andalucia reckons on 15% vaccinated by the summer!
The people managing and administering the injections are doing a fantastic job. Johnson set a target, a brave and ambitious target. If we hit it, great, if we don't we won't be far off, and there are no guarantees that supply or the weather might see a hiccup or two in the smooth delivery.
Johnson has a number of serious questions to answer on his pandemic performance, but through luck or judgement, vaccine provision has been a triumph.
He's mocking the dumbass journalists that don't understand the daily variations in the numbers.
"Compare this with the mobs on Twitter, or the more extreme BLM protests, where, if you don’t join in, or express support, you must be suspect." Indeed. Imagine what would happen to a lone footballer who decided not to partake in "taking the knee".
In slight defence it is quite a lot lower than the same day a week ago, but it doesn't make the histrionics reasonable.
And I know gov set the target, but there's nothing magical about getting close but not over 15 m 2 weeks from now.
The bad weather might have had something to do with it. Heavy snow in a lot of areas. The previous week was warmer than average IIRC.
I am sure that hasn't helped, but I think the underlying issue is supply. It was reported last week some areas where getting less this week and same again this week for next. I don't think there is enough supply to use the maximum available jabbing capacity every day at the moment.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
Yes, but the running rate in the UK is now miles faster, and will stay that way for some time.
What matters in terms of how far behind is the UK's current rate versus the EU's rate in 3 weeks. If the EU curve has the same shape as the UK's it will remain 3 weeks behind. Steeper, it will be less behind, and shallower, further. I don't know what the coming weeks will hold for vaccination rates, but the fairest metric today is 3 weeks.
Obviously the EU's not going to overtake the UK's vaccinations (by proportion of population vaccinated) anytime soon, probably ever. But "months behind" is probably an exaggeration right now.
No, months is accurate.
The question to ask is at what point they will reach the stage where we are today. 3 weeks ago they were 3 weeks behind, as they've only just caught up with where we were 3 weeks ago. But that doesn't mean they're still 3 weeks behind now. Unless something dramatically changes they're going to take months now to catch up to >10 doses per 100 people.
Two trains set off from the same location, one travelling at 60 miles per hour, one travelling at 30 miles an hour. After an hour train one has travelled 60 miles. By the time train 2 has travelled 60 miles, train 1 has now travelled 120 miles; train 2 is now 60 miles behind car, which is 2 hours behind - not half an hour or one hour.
No, you're wrong, sorry. If a train leaves half an hour after another one and follows the same acceleration curve, it will always be half an hour behind. The distance will keep getting larger, but the lag remains constant.
To put it another way, if you drop two tennis balls off a cliff a second apart, they will land a second apart. The gap in height will continue to get larger until the first one bounces, but the lag is the same.
Now, to be clear, I'm not saying the acceleration curves will remain the same.. I'm not projecting forwards. I'm just saying that IF the rates track the same, then the lag stays the same. If the UK or the EU runs into stronger supply, delivery, or demand headwinds, the lag will definitely change. But on banked data so far, it looks the same.
The people managing and administering the injections are doing a fantastic job. Johnson set a target, a brave and ambitious target. If we hit it, great, if we don't we won't be far off, and there are no guarantees that supply or the weather might see a hiccup or two in the smooth delivery.
Johnson has a number of serious questions to answer on his pandemic performance, but through luck or judgement, vaccine provision has been a triumph.
I am not mocking them, I am mocking the hysterical media coverage of the variation in the numbers being given from day to day.....the coverage swings from its going well to its a total disaster within 24hrs.
I actually said on here the other day how unfair this kind of coverage is to the people on the frontline. They really aren't getting much credit from a media that doesn't want to appear to give Boris much credit on this aspect and is now wrapped up in the EU vaccine wars.
According to the article, it's actually said that vaccines made in the UK should form part of the vaccines that the EU receives - that's not quite the same thing. If AZN is meeting it's (best efforts, presumably) contractual commitments to the UK then it would be expected that excess capacity would be used to meet contractual commitments elsewhere. It's surely inevitable that the UK factories will be sending some to the EU, at least in time, as the EU-based Pfizer factories are sending vaccines to us (as we have a contract to receive those).
“The UK agreement was reached in June, three months before the European one. As you could imagine, the UK government said the supply coming out of the UK supply chain would go to the UK first. Basically, that's how it is. In the EU agreement it is mentioned that the manufacturing sites in the UK were an option for Europe, but only later. But we're moving very quickly, the supply in the UK is very rapid. The government is vaccinating 2.5 million people a week, about 500,000 a day, our vaccine supply is growing quickly. As soon as we have reached a sufficient number of vaccinations in the UK, we will be able to use that site to help Europe as well. But the contract with the UK was signed first and the UK, of course, said “you supply us first”, and this is fair enough. This vaccine was developed with the UK government, Oxford and with us as well. As soon as we can, we'll help the EU. I mean, as a company we are half Swedish and half British. In fact, we're global, of course, but we are European as much as we are British".
my bold
I dont think we have sufficient vaccine or that our vaccine supply is growing quickly enough.
Mrs BJO had her first jab today and the date of the 2nd jab was crossed out on the AZN card. The vaccine centre she visited said they had been told this morning not to hand out cards with 2nd jab dates on and to warn people it could be 20 weeks before the 2nd jab.
"Government intends to give everyone a first jab before doing 2nd jabs at 12 weeks, and we have had to cross out appointment dates"
We had our Pfizer vaccinations last Saturday and we had a card with the record of the first vaccination including the batch number, location and date
The Doctor told us the next vaccination would be within 11 weeks and of course we were told to come back with the card to be updated then. There was no entry at all on the line under the first vaccination as they do not know the date, but neither the batch number or vaccination location. I do question your comment that the a card was filled in with a crossed out second date and this 20 week allegation
If we take into account your comments on the fake news of 8% effectiveness of the AZ vaccine, then I do wonder whether you just want to make mischief in a subject that is far too serious for that
Fuck off BigG i would never lie about what we were told that is a disgusting comment
Yes hope you get an apology.
There is no evidence that anyone has been given a 20 week wait and BJO's comments on the rumours about AZ and the 8% were an anti vaccine dream
As has been said he should be reporting it to the media rather than swearing at me
I have sent you a pm with the image of her appointment card.
As the 20 week comment was verbal, do you wish to speak to Mrs BJ too or are you accusing her of being in on it
If you refuse to apologize that says more about you than me TBH
I accept the date was crossed out but the card remains the same, otherwise, as mine
I have no way of knowing about the 20 weeks and would not want to cause offence so I apologise
However, I look forward to further posters affirming they too have been given a 20 week delay, and also I do not apologise for your posts re the 8% AZ efficacy
The people managing and administering the injections are doing a fantastic job. Johnson set a target, a brave and ambitious target. If we hit it, great, if we don't we won't be far off, and there are no guarantees that supply or the weather might see a hiccup or two in the smooth delivery.
Johnson has a number of serious questions to answer on his pandemic performance, but through luck or judgement, vaccine provision has been a triumph.
Fair comment. Of course vaccine administration was left (see earlier) to local NHS to organise.
Dr Anthony Fauci, President Joe Biden’s top medical adviser, is encouraging Americans to "double-mask" - that is, wearing two face coverings layered on top of each other.
“It just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective,” he said.
Is it common sense to triple mask then? Quadruple mask? We should get Gillette involved.
I don't go out without a full duvet, 15 tog, wrapped around me head to toe.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
It's about trajectory. Quite simply, their effort is ramping up at a much, much slower rate. So they are behind and not accelerating as fast.
It looks to me that the trajectory for the EU is the same as it was for the UK on 3rd January. Look at the lines. From 20th December to 3rd January, the UK went from about 1% to about 2%. For the EU, from 11th January to 25th January, it's pretty similar. Actually, slightly more than a 1% rise there for the EU but similar enough to call it equal. Trajectories and values for the EU are the same as the UK, lagged by 3 weeks. So far.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
Yes, but the running rate in the UK is now miles faster, and will stay that way for some time.
What matters in terms of how far behind is the UK's current rate versus the EU's rate in 3 weeks. If the EU curve has the same shape as the UK's it will remain 3 weeks behind. Steeper, it will be less behind, and shallower, further. I don't know what the coming weeks will hold for vaccination rates, but the fairest metric today is 3 weeks.
Obviously the EU's not going to overtake the UK's vaccinations (by proportion of population vaccinated) anytime soon, probably ever. But "months behind" is probably an exaggeration right now.
No, months is accurate.
The question to ask is at what point they will reach the stage where we are today. 3 weeks ago they were 3 weeks behind, as they've only just caught up with where we were 3 weeks ago. But that doesn't mean they're still 3 weeks behind now. Unless something dramatically changes they're going to take months now to catch up to >10 doses per 100 people.
Two trains set off from the same location, one travelling at 60 miles per hour, one travelling at 30 miles an hour. After an hour train one has travelled 60 miles. By the time train 2 has travelled 60 miles, train 1 has now travelled 120 miles; train 2 is now 60 miles behind car, which is 2 hours behind - not half an hour or one hour.
No, you're wrong, sorry. If a train leaves half an hour after another one and follows the same acceleration curve, it will always be half an hour behind. The distance will keep getting larger, but the lag remains constant.
To put it another way, if you drop two tennis balls off a cliff a second apart, they will land a second apart. The gap in height will continue to get larger until the first one bounces, but the lag is the same.
Now, to be clear, I'm not saying the acceleration curves will remain the same.. I'm not projecting forwards. I'm just saying that IF the rates track the same, then the lag stays the same. If the UK or the EU runs into stronger supply, delivery, or demand headwinds, the lag will definitely change. But on banked data so far, it looks the same.
Given two countries are already suspending their programs due to lack of supply I suspect the trajectories will not stay the same.
According to the article, it's actually said that vaccines made in the UK should form part of the vaccines that the EU receives - that's not quite the same thing. If AZN is meeting it's (best efforts, presumably) contractual commitments to the UK then it would be expected that excess capacity would be used to meet contractual commitments elsewhere. It's surely inevitable that the UK factories will be sending some to the EU, at least in time, as the EU-based Pfizer factories are sending vaccines to us (as we have a contract to receive those).
“The UK agreement was reached in June, three months before the European one. As you could imagine, the UK government said the supply coming out of the UK supply chain would go to the UK first. Basically, that's how it is. In the EU agreement it is mentioned that the manufacturing sites in the UK were an option for Europe, but only later. But we're moving very quickly, the supply in the UK is very rapid. The government is vaccinating 2.5 million people a week, about 500,000 a day, our vaccine supply is growing quickly. As soon as we have reached a sufficient number of vaccinations in the UK, we will be able to use that site to help Europe as well. But the contract with the UK was signed first and the UK, of course, said “you supply us first”, and this is fair enough. This vaccine was developed with the UK government, Oxford and with us as well. As soon as we can, we'll help the EU. I mean, as a company we are half Swedish and half British. In fact, we're global, of course, but we are European as much as we are British".
my bold
I dont think we have sufficient vaccine or that our vaccine supply is growing quickly enough.
Mrs BJO had her first jab today and the date of the 2nd jab was crossed out on the AZN card. The vaccine centre she visited said they had been told this morning not to hand out cards with 2nd jab dates on and to warn people it could be 20 weeks before the 2nd jab.
"Government intends to give everyone a first jab before doing 2nd jabs at 12 weeks, and we have had to cross out appointment dates"
We had our Pfizer vaccinations last Saturday and we had a card with the record of the first vaccination including the batch number, location and date
The Doctor told us the next vaccination would be within 11 weeks and of course we were told to come back with the card to be updated then. There was no entry at all on the line under the first vaccination as they do not know the date, but neither the batch number or vaccination location. I do question your comment that the a card was filled in with a crossed out second date and this 20 week allegation
If we take into account your comments on the fake news of 8% effectiveness of the AZ vaccine, then I do wonder whether you just want to make mischief in a subject that is far too serious for that
Fuck off BigG i would never lie about what we were told that is a disgusting comment
Yes hope you get an apology.
There is no evidence that anyone has been given a 20 week wait and BJO's comments on the rumours about AZ and the 8% were an anti vaccine dream
As has been said he should be reporting it to the media rather than swearing at me
I have sent you a pm with the image of her appointment card.
As the 20 week comment was verbal, do you wish to speak to Mrs BJ too or are you accusing her of being in on it
If you refuse to apologize that says more about you than me TBH
Other anecdotes on here suggest no one is getting an appointment date, so it isn't particularly unusual. The 20 week comment is strange, but doesn't seem consistent with what the NHS chief said today on the subject.
Yes maybe it is strange.
I have taken my mum my uncle and MrsBJ for jabs the first 2 definitely got appointment cards with date of 2nd dose on they were Pfizer cards though
Anyway BigG has decided i have made the whole thing up
I cannot tell you how disappointed i am with that.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
It's about trajectory. Quite simply, their effort is ramping up at a much, much slower rate. So they are behind and not accelerating as fast.
It looks to me that the trajectory for the EU is the same as it was for the UK on 3rd January. Look at the lines. From 20th December to 3rd January, the UK went from about 1% to about 2%. For the EU, from 11th January to 25th January, it's pretty similar. Actually, slightly more than a 1% rise there for the EU but similar enough to call it equal. Trajectories and values for the EU are the same as the UK, lagged by 3 weeks. So far.
Most importantly because of the EU policy of the 2nd jab at a 3 to 6 week interval there are more vulnerable to sudden supply issues and the rollout will be more tentative. The 12 week gap allows the UK a bit more leeway over the next month or two in order to decide whether the focus should be on the next priority groups or on getting out the 2nd dose. I would hazard a guess the EU are 6 weeks to 2 months behind us right now.
Germany (with a larger population) is at a similar number of vaccinations as the UK was 3 weeks ago but there has been no obvious sign of rapid scaling up and given the AZ issues it seems unlikely they'll start hitting the 600-700k needed to remain '3 weeks behind us' in the next fortnight.
"Compare this with the mobs on Twitter, or the more extreme BLM protests, where, if you don’t join in, or express support, you must be suspect." Indeed. Imagine what would happen to a lone footballer who decided not to partake in "taking the knee".
Lyle Taylor didnt take the knee whilst his teammates did. What happened? He gave an interview where he explained his reasons and life moved on. No big deal.
According to the article, it's actually said that vaccines made in the UK should form part of the vaccines that the EU receives - that's not quite the same thing. If AZN is meeting it's (best efforts, presumably) contractual commitments to the UK then it would be expected that excess capacity would be used to meet contractual commitments elsewhere. It's surely inevitable that the UK factories will be sending some to the EU, at least in time, as the EU-based Pfizer factories are sending vaccines to us (as we have a contract to receive those).
“The UK agreement was reached in June, three months before the European one. As you could imagine, the UK government said the supply coming out of the UK supply chain would go to the UK first. Basically, that's how it is. In the EU agreement it is mentioned that the manufacturing sites in the UK were an option for Europe, but only later. But we're moving very quickly, the supply in the UK is very rapid. The government is vaccinating 2.5 million people a week, about 500,000 a day, our vaccine supply is growing quickly. As soon as we have reached a sufficient number of vaccinations in the UK, we will be able to use that site to help Europe as well. But the contract with the UK was signed first and the UK, of course, said “you supply us first”, and this is fair enough. This vaccine was developed with the UK government, Oxford and with us as well. As soon as we can, we'll help the EU. I mean, as a company we are half Swedish and half British. In fact, we're global, of course, but we are European as much as we are British".
my bold
I dont think we have sufficient vaccine or that our vaccine supply is growing quickly enough.
Mrs BJO had her first jab today and the date of the 2nd jab was crossed out on the AZN card. The vaccine centre she visited said they had been told this morning not to hand out cards with 2nd jab dates on and to warn people it could be 20 weeks before the 2nd jab.
"Government intends to give everyone a first jab before doing 2nd jabs at 12 weeks, and we have had to cross out appointment dates"
We had our Pfizer vaccinations last Saturday and we had a card with the record of the first vaccination including the batch number, location and date
The Doctor told us the next vaccination would be within 11 weeks and of course we were told to come back with the card to be updated then. There was no entry at all on the line under the first vaccination as they do not know the date, but neither the batch number or vaccination location. I do question your comment that the a card was filled in with a crossed out second date and this 20 week allegation
If we take into account your comments on the fake news of 8% effectiveness of the AZ vaccine, then I do wonder whether you just want to make mischief in a subject that is far too serious for that
Fuck off BigG i would never lie about what we were told that is a disgusting comment
Yes hope you get an apology.
There is no evidence that anyone has been given a 20 week wait and BJO's comments on the rumours about AZ and the 8% were an anti vaccine dream
As has been said he should be reporting it to the media rather than swearing at me
I have sent you a pm with the image of her appointment card.
As the 20 week comment was verbal, do you wish to speak to Mrs BJ too or are you accusing her of being in on it
If you refuse to apologize that says more about you than me TBH
Other anecdotes on here suggest no one is getting an appointment date, so it isn't particularly unusual. The 20 week comment is strange, but doesn't seem consistent with what the NHS chief said today on the subject.
Yes maybe it is strange.
I have taken my mum my uncle and MrsBJ for jabs the first 2 definitely got appointment cards with date of 2nd dose on they were Pfizer cards though
Anyway BigG has decided i have made the whole thing up
I cannot tell you how disappointed i am with that.
Just make sure you follow up if you don't hear back. Likewise for others without a firm date.
I find myself being in the slightly strange position of being pleased that the Prime Minister, thus far at least, seems somewhat more sanguine and keen not to inflame tensions about the EU "vaccine wars" than many of the febrile, excitable posters on here.
Dr Anthony Fauci, President Joe Biden’s top medical adviser, is encouraging Americans to "double-mask" - that is, wearing two face coverings layered on top of each other.
“It just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective,” he said.
Is it common sense to triple mask then? Quadruple mask? We should get Gillette involved.
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
It's about trajectory. Quite simply, their effort is ramping up at a much, much slower rate. So they are behind and not accelerating as fast.
It looks to me that the trajectory for the EU is the same as it was for the UK on 3rd January. Look at the lines. From 20th December to 3rd January, the UK went from about 1% to about 2%. For the EU, from 11th January to 25th January, it's pretty similar. Actually, slightly more than a 1% rise there for the EU but similar enough to call it equal. Trajectories and values for the EU are the same as the UK, lagged by 3 weeks. So far.
OMG. Make her stop!
Too late. By now she's a
Runaway train never going back Wrong way on a one way track...
I find myself being in the slightly strange position of being pleased that the Prime Minister, thus far at least, seems somewhat more sanguine and keen not to inflame tensions about the EU "vaccine wars" than many of the febrile, excitable posters on here.
They are just sitting back enjoying watching the EU make a complete arse out of itself.
Dr Anthony Fauci, President Joe Biden’s top medical adviser, is encouraging Americans to "double-mask" - that is, wearing two face coverings layered on top of each other.
“It just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective,” he said.
The last set of masks we made did use three different layers, to some extent following WHO guidance: a polyester outer layer, a woven cotton inner layer, and a middle layer of non-woven interfacing.
All of the goverment commentaries on this so far have been very understated. It must infuriate the EU even more and poor old ScotnPaste must be bereft.
According to the article, it's actually said that vaccines made in the UK should form part of the vaccines that the EU receives - that's not quite the same thing. If AZN is meeting it's (best efforts, presumably) contractual commitments to the UK then it would be expected that excess capacity would be used to meet contractual commitments elsewhere. It's surely inevitable that the UK factories will be sending some to the EU, at least in time, as the EU-based Pfizer factories are sending vaccines to us (as we have a contract to receive those).
“The UK agreement was reached in June, three months before the European one. As you could imagine, the UK government said the supply coming out of the UK supply chain would go to the UK first. Basically, that's how it is. In the EU agreement it is mentioned that the manufacturing sites in the UK were an option for Europe, but only later. But we're moving very quickly, the supply in the UK is very rapid. The government is vaccinating 2.5 million people a week, about 500,000 a day, our vaccine supply is growing quickly. As soon as we have reached a sufficient number of vaccinations in the UK, we will be able to use that site to help Europe as well. But the contract with the UK was signed first and the UK, of course, said “you supply us first”, and this is fair enough. This vaccine was developed with the UK government, Oxford and with us as well. As soon as we can, we'll help the EU. I mean, as a company we are half Swedish and half British. In fact, we're global, of course, but we are European as much as we are British".
my bold
I dont think we have sufficient vaccine or that our vaccine supply is growing quickly enough.
Mrs BJO had her first jab today and the date of the 2nd jab was crossed out on the AZN card. The vaccine centre she visited said they had been told this morning not to hand out cards with 2nd jab dates on and to warn people it could be 20 weeks before the 2nd jab.
"Government intends to give everyone a first jab before doing 2nd jabs at 12 weeks, and we have had to cross out appointment dates"
We had our Pfizer vaccinations last Saturday and we had a card with the record of the first vaccination including the batch number, location and date
The Doctor told us the next vaccination would be within 11 weeks and of course we were told to come back with the card to be updated then. There was no entry at all on the line under the first vaccination as they do not know the date, but neither the batch number or vaccination location. I do question your comment that the a card was filled in with a crossed out second date and this 20 week allegation
If we take into account your comments on the fake news of 8% effectiveness of the AZ vaccine, then I do wonder whether you just want to make mischief in a subject that is far too serious for that
Fuck off BigG i would never lie about what we were told that is a disgusting comment
Yes hope you get an apology.
There is no evidence that anyone has been given a 20 week wait and BJO's comments on the rumours about AZ and the 8% were an anti vaccine dream
As has been said he should be reporting it to the media rather than swearing at me
I have sent you a pm with the image of her appointment card.
As the 20 week comment was verbal, do you wish to speak to Mrs BJ too or are you accusing her of being in on it
If you refuse to apologize that says more about you than me TBH
Other anecdotes on here suggest no one is getting an appointment date, so it isn't particularly unusual. The 20 week comment is strange, but doesn't seem consistent with what the NHS chief said today on the subject.
Yes maybe it is strange.
I have taken my mum my uncle and MrsBJ for jabs the first 2 definitely got appointment cards with date of 2nd dose on they were Pfizer cards though
Anyway BigG has decided i have made the whole thing up
I cannot tell you how disappointed i am with that.
Just make sure you follow up if you don't hear back. Likewise for others without a firm date.
"Compare this with the mobs on Twitter, or the more extreme BLM protests, where, if you don’t join in, or express support, you must be suspect." Indeed. Imagine what would happen to a lone footballer who decided not to partake in "taking the knee".
Lyle Taylor didnt take the knee whilst his teammates did. What happened? He gave an interview where he explained his reasons and life moved on. No big deal.
He is black though. Same as Les Ferdinand and John Barnes said they didn't agree with it.
Big Billy Vunipola said he was against it and he was smeared again with all the stuff about his Christian beliefs and his views on homosexuality.
A white rugby player got massive incoming for not kneeling, so much so on BT Sport they had to do a big piece about how he actually has an adopted black son to try and calm the online mob.
The England cricket team got a load of incoming for saying they weren't going to continue to kneel.
The F1 drivers who refused to kneel got singled out for coverage, with lots of overt stuff about do they really not care about this issue.
The pressure is enormous to kneel.
The thing about it, where it all started, the NFL. The vast majority of players don't.
"Compare this with the mobs on Twitter, or the more extreme BLM protests, where, if you don’t join in, or express support, you must be suspect." Indeed. Imagine what would happen to a lone footballer who decided not to partake in "taking the knee".
Lyle Taylor didnt take the knee whilst his teammates did. What happened? He gave an interview where he explained his reasons and life moved on. No big deal.
I didn`t realise that - thanks for that. Is he still refusing or was it just one game?
... This whole thing was so predictable when the commission took everything over, the lack of production subsidies is really what the issue is in the EU. Both the UK and US took a proactive approach and subsidised it's industries to ensure domestic supply and eventually oversupply. The EU relied on the free market, it was the wrong approach and instead of fixing the original problem they are making threats.
Yes, I think that is the crucial point. The UK (and I think also the US with Operation Warp Speed) took a gamble early on by putting money into production capacity without knowing whether the vaccines would actually work and be safe. It was a well-judged gamble (thanks, Kate Bingham) which has been spectacularly successful. At worst, we might have wasted a few hundred million quid, but that's nothing in the context of this pandemic, and as it has turned out, we've gained months. The EU was very late to that game, and is now unfortunately left behind.
Months? AIUI, the EU is three weeks behind as of the most recent data. 2% as of 24th January, versus the UK's 2% as of 3rd January.
It's about trajectory. Quite simply, their effort is ramping up at a much, much slower rate. So they are behind and not accelerating as fast.
The President of Andalucia reckons on 15% vaccinated by the summer!
So unless they manage another 55% over the summer then it's likely that they'll be back under strong restrictions come the autumn... Crazy...
Once again, halving cycle has accelerated. There is definitely now a detectable vaccine effect IMO. Hospitals and care homes have probably now got very little transmission because the people inside them are all immunised to at least some level. This is with around 2.4m people with partial or full immunity. As we start getting through to next week that number really explodes because that's when our vaccine programme took off.
Very, very slowly the light at the end of the tunnel is becoming brighter. It's the first time I've looked at these numbers ever and felt that way, it's desperately sad for all of those people who have died or have close family/friends who have died, hopefully our rapid rate of vaccination will prevent too much more of this.
Dr Anthony Fauci, President Joe Biden’s top medical adviser, is encouraging Americans to "double-mask" - that is, wearing two face coverings layered on top of each other.
“It just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective,” he said.
The last set of masks we made did use three different layers, to some extent following WHO guidance: a polyester outer layer, a woven cotton inner layer, and a middle layer of non-woven interfacing.
Don't think doubling that would achieve much.
He lost me when the suggestion was to put a surgical mask over your N95. Bollocks.
I know my wife does that in the OR, but that is to preserve N95s (to protect them from splashes which would require their immediate disposal), rather than to increase effectiveness.
According to the article, it's actually said that vaccines made in the UK should form part of the vaccines that the EU receives - that's not quite the same thing. If AZN is meeting it's (best efforts, presumably) contractual commitments to the UK then it would be expected that excess capacity would be used to meet contractual commitments elsewhere. It's surely inevitable that the UK factories will be sending some to the EU, at least in time, as the EU-based Pfizer factories are sending vaccines to us (as we have a contract to receive those).
“The UK agreement was reached in June, three months before the European one. As you could imagine, the UK government said the supply coming out of the UK supply chain would go to the UK first. Basically, that's how it is. In the EU agreement it is mentioned that the manufacturing sites in the UK were an option for Europe, but only later. But we're moving very quickly, the supply in the UK is very rapid. The government is vaccinating 2.5 million people a week, about 500,000 a day, our vaccine supply is growing quickly. As soon as we have reached a sufficient number of vaccinations in the UK, we will be able to use that site to help Europe as well. But the contract with the UK was signed first and the UK, of course, said “you supply us first”, and this is fair enough. This vaccine was developed with the UK government, Oxford and with us as well. As soon as we can, we'll help the EU. I mean, as a company we are half Swedish and half British. In fact, we're global, of course, but we are European as much as we are British".
my bold
I dont think we have sufficient vaccine or that our vaccine supply is growing quickly enough.
Mrs BJO had her first jab today and the date of the 2nd jab was crossed out on the AZN card. The vaccine centre she visited said they had been told this morning not to hand out cards with 2nd jab dates on and to warn people it could be 20 weeks before the 2nd jab.
"Government intends to give everyone a first jab before doing 2nd jabs at 12 weeks, and we have had to cross out appointment dates"
We had our Pfizer vaccinations last Saturday and we had a card with the record of the first vaccination including the batch number, location and date
The Doctor told us the next vaccination would be within 11 weeks and of course we were told to come back with the card to be updated then. There was no entry at all on the line under the first vaccination as they do not know the date, but neither the batch number or vaccination location. I do question your comment that the a card was filled in with a crossed out second date and this 20 week allegation
If we take into account your comments on the fake news of 8% effectiveness of the AZ vaccine, then I do wonder whether you just want to make mischief in a subject that is far too serious for that
Fuck off BigG i would never lie about what we were told that is a disgusting comment
Yes hope you get an apology.
There is no evidence that anyone has been given a 20 week wait and BJO's comments on the rumours about AZ and the 8% were an anti vaccine dream
As has been said he should be reporting it to the media rather than swearing at me
I have sent you a pm with the image of her appointment card.
As the 20 week comment was verbal, do you wish to speak to Mrs BJ too or are you accusing her of being in on it
If you refuse to apologize that says more about you than me TBH
I accept the date was crossed out but the card remains the same, otherwise, as mine
I have no way of knowing about the 20 weeks and would not want to cause offence so I apologise
However, I look forward to further posters affirming they too have been given a 20 week delay, and also I do not apologise for your posts re the 8% AZ efficacy
Comments
These are British MADE vaccines. Not necessarily vaccines made for British arms. Just vaccines made here?
Correct?
Which falls down on the idea that kicking some loudmouths off Twitter is by any stretch comparable with witch trials. Or Diversity Officers as Witchfinders.
Other than that kudos. Pity I'll never correspond with the author.
Obviously the EU's not going to overtake the UK's vaccinations (by proportion of population vaccinated) anytime soon, probably ever. But "months behind" is probably an exaggeration right now.
That story would dominate the local news tonight and would ensure your second vaccination was well within 12 weeks.
Good cause benefits AND it's a disincentive for similar happening next time.
So they're threatening to blockade Pfizer vaccines being sold to the UK, when we've already paid for them and have the contracts for them.
...
The first apostrophe is clearly actually an open single quote.
You don't just buy some vaccine and shout "Jab!"
https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1354468913480933377?s=20
https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1354469086554681348?s=20
Look at the lines. From 20th December to 3rd January, the UK went from about 1% to about 2%.
For the EU, from 11th January to 25th January, it's pretty similar. Actually, slightly more than a 1% rise there for the EU but similar enough to call it equal.
Trajectories and values for the EU are the same as the UK, lagged by 3 weeks. So far.
As has been said he should be reporting it to the media rather than swearing at me
No wonder the EU are searching for scapegoats
It's really something you can't block without real problems.
The question to ask is at what point they will reach the stage where we are today. 3 weeks ago they were 3 weeks behind, as they've only just caught up with where we were 3 weeks ago. But that doesn't mean they're still 3 weeks behind now. Unless something dramatically changes they're going to take months now to catch up to >10 doses per 100 people.
Two trains set off from the same location, one travelling at 60 miles per hour, one travelling at 30 miles an hour. After an hour train one has travelled 60 miles. By the time train 2 has travelled 60 miles, train 1 has now travelled 120 miles; train 2 is now 60 miles behind car, which is 2 hours behind - not half an hour or one hour.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9193023/England-managed-260-000-jabs-Tuesday-marking-three-days-row-400-000-day-target.html
“It just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective,” he said.
As the 20 week comment was verbal, do you wish to speak to Mrs BJ too or are you accusing her of being in on it
If you refuse to apologize that says more about you than me TBH
And I know gov set the target, but there's nothing magical about getting close but not over 15 m 2 weeks from now.
With some exceptions (Germany for example) this chain hasn't been expanded very much in most of Europe.
This chain was massively expanded in the US, Israel and the UK (for some examples) This did not happen over night - preparations were made over a period of months. A lot of money was spent, in those countries and others.
https://twitter.com/nickgutteridge/status/1354470901648158726?s=20
I'm guessing they've vaccinated health workers and then that's it and ran out of vaccine? Or worse have people paid their way to the front?
The people managing and administering the injections are doing a fantastic job. Johnson set a target, a brave and ambitious target. If we hit it, great, if we don't we won't be far off, and there are no guarantees that supply or the weather might see a hiccup or two in the smooth delivery.
Johnson has a number of serious questions to answer on his pandemic performance, but through luck or judgement, vaccine provision has been a triumph.
If the contract with AZ was junk, so probably were the other ones from what is in the public domain....
"Compare this with the mobs on Twitter, or the more extreme BLM protests, where, if you don’t join in, or express support, you must be suspect." Indeed. Imagine what would happen to a lone footballer who decided not to partake in "taking the knee".
To put it another way, if you drop two tennis balls off a cliff a second apart, they will land a second apart. The gap in height will continue to get larger until the first one bounces, but the lag is the same.
Now, to be clear, I'm not saying the acceleration curves will remain the same.. I'm not projecting forwards. I'm just saying that IF the rates track the same, then the lag stays the same.
If the UK or the EU runs into stronger supply, delivery, or demand headwinds, the lag will definitely change. But on banked data so far, it looks the same.
I actually said on here the other day how unfair this kind of coverage is to the people on the frontline. They really aren't getting much credit from a media that doesn't want to appear to give Boris much credit on this aspect and is now wrapped up in the EU vaccine wars.
I have no way of knowing about the 20 weeks and would not want to cause offence so I apologise
However, I look forward to further posters affirming they too have been given a 20 week delay, and also I do not apologise for your posts re the 8% AZ efficacy
I have taken my mum my uncle and MrsBJ for jabs the first 2 definitely got appointment cards with date of 2nd dose on they were Pfizer cards though
Anyway BigG has decided i have made the whole thing up
I cannot tell you how disappointed i am with that.
The GOP’s answer to its post-Trump blues: More Trump
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/27/post-trump-gop-462864
Germany (with a larger population) is at a similar number of vaccinations as the UK was 3 weeks ago but there has been no obvious sign of rapid scaling up and given the AZ issues it seems unlikely they'll start hitting the 600-700k needed to remain '3 weeks behind us' in the next fortnight.
Runaway train never going back
Wrong way on a one way track...
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/01/my-sworn-evidence-on-the-sturgeon-affair/
Don't think doubling that would achieve much.
I am off now to kick the cat!
Big Billy Vunipola said he was against it and he was smeared again with all the stuff about his Christian beliefs and his views on homosexuality.
A white rugby player got massive incoming for not kneeling, so much so on BT Sport they had to do a big piece about how he actually has an adopted black son to try and calm the online mob.
The England cricket team got a load of incoming for saying they weren't going to continue to kneel.
The F1 drivers who refused to kneel got singled out for coverage, with lots of overt stuff about do they really not care about this issue.
The pressure is enormous to kneel.
The thing about it, where it all started, the NFL. The vast majority of players don't.
Very, very slowly the light at the end of the tunnel is becoming brighter. It's the first time I've looked at these numbers ever and felt that way, it's desperately sad for all of those people who have died or have close family/friends who have died, hopefully our rapid rate of vaccination will prevent too much more of this.
I know my wife does that in the OR, but that is to preserve N95s (to protect them from splashes which would require their immediate disposal), rather than to increase effectiveness.