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And while we wait for Congress to formalise Biden’s victory…. – politicalbetting.com

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  • When Trump won in 2016, I thought he might do some good things. I thought he was a successful businessman who probably realised he couldn't do everything, so had to surround himself with competent people to run things while he took the credit. I knew he was an amoral oaf with whom I couldn't trust my wife or daughters.

    Reader. I apologise. I have watched his actions and 'leadership' over the last 4 years and become more and more horrified. His attempts to overthrow the election result proves that he acts like a petty mobster. I hope that there are sufficient links between him and what we see now to result in his successful prosecution and imprisonment.

    Thank God that the US has sufficient checks and balances to prevent the fall of the Republic.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,892
    Greg Doucette has been INCREDIBLY cautious about saying "No it's not sedition"

    He's now changed his mind, Trump's off to jail.

    https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1346909491950833667
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,947

    SO how do you think today's events bear upon a potential visit by The Donald to Scotland, or any other part of the UK.

    Surely he's given MORE than sufficient ground for being banned from entering the UK as a gross risk to public safety. And would NOT be first to be shunned from your shores on that basis.

    WHAT, if any, would be downside for HMG for taking such a decision?

    Personally, would take failure to ban Donald Trumpsky as a risk to public order (and deceny) would be almost proof positive that Boris Johnson is also a charter-member of the Putinist plot against the West.

    How is he a risk to public safety? Do you think his supporters will take over the Scottsh Parliament or storm Edinburgh Castle?

    I'd say he's less of a risk in Scotland than in the US.
  • ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's America.

    Tbh, this could be the final straw for the second amendment.
    You wonder what swing voters and moderate Republicans will be making of this.

    The riots of 1968 probably cost Humphrey the election. These will surely cost the Republicans their reputation as the party of law and order.
    The Republicans have just "Trumped" the BLM riots as ramped up by Proud Boys and other Trumpsyites overtly and (esp.) covertly.

    Given evidence that the rioting in 2020 worked to the electoral benefit of the GOP (one reason why Dems lost seats in US House rather than gaining) recon that THIS riot may be a problem for the Republicans who encouraged, abetted and stocked it.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,874
    ydoethur said:

    So, the darling of the UK hard right is now attempting a coup in the US
    https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1346897651451748353

    Don’t be silly, Joff.

    I despise the man, but no way is Gove responsible for this.
    Gove discussing plans for Holyrood.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677
    Gaussian said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Trump declares martial law by end of today?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/04/leave-military-out-of-it-former-defence-secretaries-tell-trump

    Turn out to have known what they were talking about. Bit of a worry that half the military votes Trump.
    Even more of a worry that half the country votes Trump.
    Indeed. And America is polarising FURTHER not less, and it is clearly polarising on racial lines.

    These disgraceful scenes are, to an extent, the payback for all the more extreme BLM marches pulling down statues of Lincoln etc.

    The cops should have stopped those riots, just as they have to stop this utter sadness
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,947
    No, the closest thing to a coup was when the country was founded.

    Americans are brought up on sayings like Jefferson's "A little rebellion now and then is a good thing" and Patrick Henry's "If this be Treason, make the most of it". If you raise your kids to think that treason and sedition are admirable, guess what? Some of them will grow up to be seditious traitors.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    ydoethur said:

    MaxPB said:

    It's America.

    Tbh, this could be the final straw for the second amendment.
    You wonder what swing voters and moderate Republicans will be making of this.

    The riots of 1968 probably cost Humphrey the election. These will surely cost the Republicans their reputation as the party of law and order.
    Lol. Obama and Clinton reduced and eliminated the deficit respectively Reagan, Bush and Trump all ballooned the deficit.

    Which party had the reputation for fiscal competence?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677

    Well 2021 bas got off to a quiet start hasn't it.

    I told you my astrological friend said 2021 would be WORSE than 2020. So far, she's looking pretty spot-on
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Leon said:

    Gaussian said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Trump declares martial law by end of today?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/04/leave-military-out-of-it-former-defence-secretaries-tell-trump

    Turn out to have known what they were talking about. Bit of a worry that half the military votes Trump.
    Even more of a worry that half the country votes Trump.
    Indeed. And America is polarising FURTHER not less, and it is clearly polarising on racial lines.

    These disgraceful scenes are, to an extent, the payback for all the more extreme BLM marches pulling down statues of Lincoln etc.

    The cops should have stopped those riots, just as they have to stop this utter sadness
    Pelosi was saying only the other days that statues should be pulled out of the US Capitol, thus pouring fuel on the fire and fanning their deepest fears.

    Both sides are a disgrace.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Don't US cops have tasers, truncheons and mild tear gas?

    That would seem appropriate here. Not jumping straight to handguns and shooting.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    Don't US cops have tasers, truncheons and mild tear gas?

    That would seem appropriate here. Not jumping straight to handguns and shooting.

    You'd think if they were good at anything it would be beating people up, but they seemed totally off guard.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871

    Leon said:

    Gaussian said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Trump declares martial law by end of today?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/04/leave-military-out-of-it-former-defence-secretaries-tell-trump

    Turn out to have known what they were talking about. Bit of a worry that half the military votes Trump.
    Even more of a worry that half the country votes Trump.
    Indeed. And America is polarising FURTHER not less, and it is clearly polarising on racial lines.

    These disgraceful scenes are, to an extent, the payback for all the more extreme BLM marches pulling down statues of Lincoln etc.

    The cops should have stopped those riots, just as they have to stop this utter sadness
    Pelosi was saying only the other days that statues should be pulled out of the US Capitol, thus pouring fuel on the fire and fanning their deepest fears.

    Both sides are a disgrace.
    Even if that is so, things, particularly at this moment, are not equally disgraceful.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677

    Leon said:

    Gaussian said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Trump declares martial law by end of today?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/04/leave-military-out-of-it-former-defence-secretaries-tell-trump

    Turn out to have known what they were talking about. Bit of a worry that half the military votes Trump.
    Even more of a worry that half the country votes Trump.
    Indeed. And America is polarising FURTHER not less, and it is clearly polarising on racial lines.

    These disgraceful scenes are, to an extent, the payback for all the more extreme BLM marches pulling down statues of Lincoln etc.

    The cops should have stopped those riots, just as they have to stop this utter sadness
    Pelosi was saying only the other days that statues should be pulled out of the US Capitol, thus pouring fuel on the fire and fanning their deepest fears.

    Both sides are a disgrace.
    It is tragic. Difficult to see how America pulls back from this brink, but it must. Obvs.

    Again one turns to Yeats' The Second Coming. Written in the immediate aftermath of Spanish Flu


    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    Leon said:

    Well 2021 bas got off to a quiet start hasn't it.

    I told you my astrological friend said 2021 would be WORSE than 2020. So far, she's looking pretty spot-on
    You do talk some utter shit
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,947

    Leon said:

    Well 2021 bas got off to a quiet start hasn't it.

    I told you my astrological friend said 2021 would be WORSE than 2020. So far, she's looking pretty spot-on
    You do talk some utter shit
    Check out the 8.15. It's a bucket load.
  • You really could not have predicted that the US would collapse into anarchy

    This is truly shocking

    Sadly you could predict it.

    Had it been a BLM protest breaking into the Capitol how many would be dead by now?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Well 2021 bas got off to a quiet start hasn't it.

    I told you my astrological friend said 2021 would be WORSE than 2020. So far, she's looking pretty spot-on
    You do talk some utter shit
    Check out the 8.15. It's a bucket load.
    Pretty much the only poster on PB I’d ever consider blocking. A third-rate disaster pornographer who makes the threads unbearable.
  • Its a coup. Trump's DoD plants refused to deploy the National Guard. Trump incites the protesters. Congress gets stormed. Loss of control due to lack of National Guard. Trump declares Martial Law.
  • ydoethur said:

    So, the darling of the UK hard right is now attempting a coup in the US
    https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1346897651451748353

    Don’t be silly, Joff.

    I despise the man, but no way is Gove responsible for this.
    Trump has been 'enabled' by a lot of folk. I'd accept the Gover is pretty low down the list, but still..
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,947
    edited January 2021

    Doesn’t the US have a treason law that would allow the arrest of Trump? If so, now is the time ...

    No, treason is very closely defined under the US constitution. See SCOTUS Chief Justice John Marshall's 1807 decision in the trial of Aaron Burr. Basically, it must be conspiracy against the United States in concert with a foreign enemy, which this can't be because the United States is at peace, or levying war against the United States, which Trump hasn't. Further, the Constitution requires an "overt act" - tacit support simply isn't enough.

    Since the Constitution went into effect in 1789, treason charges have been brought fewer than 30 times.

    In any case, it would be such an obvious overreaction that it would make Trump a martyr.
  • When Trump won in 2016, I thought he might do some good things. I thought he was a successful businessman who probably realised he couldn't do everything, so had to surround himself with competent people to run things while he took the credit. I knew he was an amoral oaf with whom I couldn't trust my wife or daughters.

    Reader. I apologise. I have watched his actions and 'leadership' over the last 4 years and become more and more horrified. His attempts to overthrow the election result proves that he acts like a petty mobster. I hope that there are sufficient links between him and what we see now to result in his successful prosecution and imprisonment.

    Thank God that the US has sufficient checks and balances to prevent the fall of the Republic.

    Fair play for apologising, most of us on here (including me) are not great at that.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,477

    Its a coup. Trump's DoD plants refused to deploy the National Guard. Trump incites the protesters. Congress gets stormed. Loss of control due to lack of National Guard. Trump declares Martial Law.

    No it isn’t. Fuck off.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006

    ydoethur said:

    So, the darling of the UK hard right is now attempting a coup in the US
    https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1346897651451748353

    Don’t be silly, Joff.

    I despise the man, but no way is Gove responsible for this.

    Gove is not responsible. But he knew exactly what Trump was. He didn't care.

    This is exactly where a Trump presidency has been headed since day one and particularly since he lost the election but many chose to turn a blind eye.
  • kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Well 2021 bas got off to a quiet start hasn't it.

    I told you my astrological friend said 2021 would be WORSE than 2020. So far, she's looking pretty spot-on
    You do talk some utter shit
    Check out the 8.15. It's a bucket load.
    Fair's fair, takes a bit of self awareness to quote 'the worst are full of passionate intensity'.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,851

    So, the darling of the UK hard right is now attempting a coup in the US
    https://twitter.com/SpaJw/status/1346897651451748353

    You know you're on the way out when the most important person who visits is Michael Gove
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    On the positive side IanB2 may have set the most likes for any post in PB history.
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