When Trump won in 2016, I thought he might do some good things. I thought he was a successful businessman who probably realised he couldn't do everything, so had to surround himself with competent people to run things while he took the credit. I knew he was an amoral oaf with whom I couldn't trust my wife or daughters.
Reader. I apologise. I have watched his actions and 'leadership' over the last 4 years and become more and more horrified. His attempts to overthrow the election result proves that he acts like a petty mobster. I hope that there are sufficient links between him and what we see now to result in his successful prosecution and imprisonment.
Thank God that the US has sufficient checks and balances to prevent the fall of the Republic.
SO how do you think today's events bear upon a potential visit by The Donald to Scotland, or any other part of the UK.
Surely he's given MORE than sufficient ground for being banned from entering the UK as a gross risk to public safety. And would NOT be first to be shunned from your shores on that basis.
WHAT, if any, would be downside for HMG for taking such a decision?
Personally, would take failure to ban Donald Trumpsky as a risk to public order (and deceny) would be almost proof positive that Boris Johnson is also a charter-member of the Putinist plot against the West.
How is he a risk to public safety? Do you think his supporters will take over the Scottsh Parliament or storm Edinburgh Castle?
I'd say he's less of a risk in Scotland than in the US.
Tbh, this could be the final straw for the second amendment.
You wonder what swing voters and moderate Republicans will be making of this.
The riots of 1968 probably cost Humphrey the election. These will surely cost the Republicans their reputation as the party of law and order.
The Republicans have just "Trumped" the BLM riots as ramped up by Proud Boys and other Trumpsyites overtly and (esp.) covertly.
Given evidence that the rioting in 2020 worked to the electoral benefit of the GOP (one reason why Dems lost seats in US House rather than gaining) recon that THIS riot may be a problem for the Republicans who encouraged, abetted and stocked it.
No, the closest thing to a coup was when the country was founded.
Americans are brought up on sayings like Jefferson's "A little rebellion now and then is a good thing" and Patrick Henry's "If this be Treason, make the most of it". If you raise your kids to think that treason and sedition are admirable, guess what? Some of them will grow up to be seditious traitors.
Turn out to have known what they were talking about. Bit of a worry that half the military votes Trump.
Even more of a worry that half the country votes Trump.
Indeed. And America is polarising FURTHER not less, and it is clearly polarising on racial lines.
These disgraceful scenes are, to an extent, the payback for all the more extreme BLM marches pulling down statues of Lincoln etc.
The cops should have stopped those riots, just as they have to stop this utter sadness
Pelosi was saying only the other days that statues should be pulled out of the US Capitol, thus pouring fuel on the fire and fanning their deepest fears.
Turn out to have known what they were talking about. Bit of a worry that half the military votes Trump.
Even more of a worry that half the country votes Trump.
Indeed. And America is polarising FURTHER not less, and it is clearly polarising on racial lines.
These disgraceful scenes are, to an extent, the payback for all the more extreme BLM marches pulling down statues of Lincoln etc.
The cops should have stopped those riots, just as they have to stop this utter sadness
Pelosi was saying only the other days that statues should be pulled out of the US Capitol, thus pouring fuel on the fire and fanning their deepest fears.
Both sides are a disgrace.
Even if that is so, things, particularly at this moment, are not equally disgraceful.
Turn out to have known what they were talking about. Bit of a worry that half the military votes Trump.
Even more of a worry that half the country votes Trump.
Indeed. And America is polarising FURTHER not less, and it is clearly polarising on racial lines.
These disgraceful scenes are, to an extent, the payback for all the more extreme BLM marches pulling down statues of Lincoln etc.
The cops should have stopped those riots, just as they have to stop this utter sadness
Pelosi was saying only the other days that statues should be pulled out of the US Capitol, thus pouring fuel on the fire and fanning their deepest fears.
Both sides are a disgrace.
It is tragic. Difficult to see how America pulls back from this brink, but it must. Obvs.
Again one turns to Yeats' The Second Coming. Written in the immediate aftermath of Spanish Flu
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.
Its a coup. Trump's DoD plants refused to deploy the National Guard. Trump incites the protesters. Congress gets stormed. Loss of control due to lack of National Guard. Trump declares Martial Law.
Doesn’t the US have a treason law that would allow the arrest of Trump? If so, now is the time ...
No, treason is very closely defined under the US constitution. See SCOTUS Chief Justice John Marshall's 1807 decision in the trial of Aaron Burr. Basically, it must be conspiracy against the United States in concert with a foreign enemy, which this can't be because the United States is at peace, or levying war against the United States, which Trump hasn't. Further, the Constitution requires an "overt act" - tacit support simply isn't enough.
Since the Constitution went into effect in 1789, treason charges have been brought fewer than 30 times.
In any case, it would be such an obvious overreaction that it would make Trump a martyr.
When Trump won in 2016, I thought he might do some good things. I thought he was a successful businessman who probably realised he couldn't do everything, so had to surround himself with competent people to run things while he took the credit. I knew he was an amoral oaf with whom I couldn't trust my wife or daughters.
Reader. I apologise. I have watched his actions and 'leadership' over the last 4 years and become more and more horrified. His attempts to overthrow the election result proves that he acts like a petty mobster. I hope that there are sufficient links between him and what we see now to result in his successful prosecution and imprisonment.
Thank God that the US has sufficient checks and balances to prevent the fall of the Republic.
Fair play for apologising, most of us on here (including me) are not great at that.
Its a coup. Trump's DoD plants refused to deploy the National Guard. Trump incites the protesters. Congress gets stormed. Loss of control due to lack of National Guard. Trump declares Martial Law.
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Reader. I apologise. I have watched his actions and 'leadership' over the last 4 years and become more and more horrified. His attempts to overthrow the election result proves that he acts like a petty mobster. I hope that there are sufficient links between him and what we see now to result in his successful prosecution and imprisonment.
Thank God that the US has sufficient checks and balances to prevent the fall of the Republic.
He's now changed his mind, Trump's off to jail.
https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1346909491950833667
I'd say he's less of a risk in Scotland than in the US.
Given evidence that the rioting in 2020 worked to the electoral benefit of the GOP (one reason why Dems lost seats in US House rather than gaining) recon that THIS riot may be a problem for the Republicans who encouraged, abetted and stocked it.
These disgraceful scenes are, to an extent, the payback for all the more extreme BLM marches pulling down statues of Lincoln etc.
The cops should have stopped those riots, just as they have to stop this utter sadness
Americans are brought up on sayings like Jefferson's "A little rebellion now and then is a good thing" and Patrick Henry's "If this be Treason, make the most of it". If you raise your kids to think that treason and sedition are admirable, guess what? Some of them will grow up to be seditious traitors.
Which party had the reputation for fiscal competence?
Both sides are a disgrace.
That would seem appropriate here. Not jumping straight to handguns and shooting.
Again one turns to Yeats' The Second Coming. Written in the immediate aftermath of Spanish Flu
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Had it been a BLM protest breaking into the Capitol how many would be dead by now?
Since the Constitution went into effect in 1789, treason charges have been brought fewer than 30 times.
In any case, it would be such an obvious overreaction that it would make Trump a martyr.