So many members of Congress proud to be making baseless objections (baseless given the multiple failed changes to prove any basis) just to save their arses. So little dignity.
Does this congress session go as long as needed regardless of how many objections and 2 hour debates, or do they at some point give in and call it a day and come back tomorrow etc.?
Does this congress session go as long as needed regardless of how many objections and 2 hour debates, or do they at some point give in and call it a day and come back tomorrow etc.?
Depends on the Reps. Stock up on popcorn nevertheless
CNN suggesting both GA and PA are likely to go through the same process
I do prefer the immediacy of UK elections, where you get booted out by the voters in some provincial leisure centre, have to thank the tellers, and then get your coat.
Or it might be an entirely niche outlet that dribbles along due to private financing, we'll see.
I see the Legatum Institute, of Shanker Singham, Gisela Stuart and other Brexiters, are among the backers. The agenda looks fairly clear, but without more sloppy media regulation they'll struggle.
You know the saying of the Founding Fathers and their successors:
If a job is worth doing, it is worth doing it with as many procedural steps as possible, as slowly as possible, and as with as much needless grandiosity as possible.
You know the saying of the Founding Fathers and their successors:
If a job is worth doing, it is worth doing it with as many procedural steps as possible, as slowly as possible, and as with as much needless grandiosity as possible.
I think the phrase you're looking for is "checks and balances".
This seems to me a rather strong piece of evidence against Trump 2024. He needs the oxygen of the media to continue to shape the party. They might cover him again post-Presidency, or enough of the right-wing media might for him to be a force in the primaries, but if his tweets and speeches and so on stop getting news coverage it will be a significant force in a possibly rapid fade from relevance.
I do prefer the immediacy of UK elections, where you get booted out by the voters in some provincial leisure centre, have to thank the tellers, and then get your coat.
I'm trying to remember who it was, who after losing his election, in the council sports hall, went next door to the local boozer and spent the rest of the night buying his opponents champagne. Which being an old style British boozer, they had to send for.
Are these Republican politicians mad enough to actually believe that the election was stolen and they can overturn it? Or are they conniving and mad enough to know it is rubbish but think they can actually overturn it anyway?
Either way they seem to have utterly lost the plot. And all for a man who would stab them in the back at a second's notice if he thought it would serve his ends.
Not sure why. Unless it has a space on the dial at Sky or Freeview I can't see many people seeing it apart from streamers.
It has carriage agreements on Sky and Freeview. It's serious enough in it's availability, but will the British people like tabloid opinion piece news on their TV screen?
Or it might be an entirely niche outlet that dribbles along due to private financing, we'll see.
I see the Legatum Institute, of Shanker Singham, Gisela Stuart and other Brexiters, are among the backers. The agenda looks fairly clear, but without more sloppy media regulation they'll struggle.
You know the saying of the Founding Fathers and their successors:
If a job is worth doing, it is worth doing it with as many procedural steps as possible, as slowly as possible, and as with as much needless grandiosity as possible.
I think the phrase you're looking for is "checks and balances".
Reminds me of my first budget meeting as a new councillor in 1995. The Tories had lost control of the council for the first time since its creation in 1964. Tory councillors were so shell shocked at a budget going through against their opposition that they tabled 29 amendments, insisted on debating them all separately, and demanded a roll call vote on each one. The debate continued until nearly 4 am the next morning, when the Labour/LibDem budget was finally carried.
Very good letter by the Vice President, though some Trumpites are already calling him a traitor on twitter so it may not do his 2024 nomination chances a great deal of good.
Get on Cruz then who will lodge an objection to the casting of the EC votes on behalf of Trump.
Any GOP Senator who fails to lodge an objection will have a black mark against them ahead of 2024 with the GOP base so can likely be ruled out of the nomination battle and they or any GOP Representative who fails to object will also face a Trumpite primary challenge when next up for re election
This seems to me a rather strong piece of evidence against Trump 2024. He needs the oxygen of the media to continue to shape the party. They might cover him again post-Presidency, or enough of the right-wing media might for him to be a force in the primaries, but if his tweets and speeches and so on stop getting news coverage it will be a significant force in a possibly rapid fade from relevance.
He'll hopefully be out of site, out of mind, holed up in Turnberry.
Or it might be an entirely niche outlet that dribbles along due to private financing, we'll see.
I see the Legatum Institute, of Shanker Singham, Gisela Stuart and other Brexiters, are among the backers. The agenda looks fairly clear, but without more sloppy media regulation they'll struggle.
To get us out of the EU?
Probably both a deregulatory and some sort of populist emphasis to go with the current phase of Brexit - but for the kind of all-singing, all-dancing opinionated TV news they probably want, to get ratings and distinguish themselves, without a law change they'll most likely to struggle.
Trump's reaction to losing the election is a bit like some pro-Europeans reaction to losing the 2016 Referendum.
If he'd put as much effort into actually winning the election as he has put into overturning it then he might have actually won the election in the first place.
That's a stupid point on both counts. Remainers accepted they lost the 2016 referendum, and Trump campaigned very hard to win the election.
Reading this forum there is scant evidence remainers have accepted they lost in 2016
You always say stuff like this without basis. Just like you pretend that this forum is full of labour supporters when its actually quite balanced.
There is one particular poster who tweets daily anti brexit comments as he has not accepted brexit and there are others in the same vain
Actually it seems there is a good contingent of lib dems on here who will never accept brexit
I think you are confusing "accepting" Brexit with "agreeing" with Brexit. You appear to believe that now Brexit has happened nobody has a right to criticise its consequences.
I accepted that the country had voted for Brexit 4 years ago but I am no closer to agreeing with it than I was then. If you believe, in principle, that the UK should be in the EU then you don't change your mind just because 52% voted to leave it 4 years ago. (or at least some of don't)
This seems to me a rather strong piece of evidence against Trump 2024. He needs the oxygen of the media to continue to shape the party. They might cover him again post-Presidency, or enough of the right-wing media might for him to be a force in the primaries, but if his tweets and speeches and so on stop getting news coverage it will be a significant force in a possibly rapid fade from relevance.
Does this congress session go as long as needed regardless of how many objections and 2 hour debates, or do they at some point give in and call it a day and come back tomorrow etc.?
Depends on the Reps. Stock up on popcorn nevertheless
CNN suggesting both GA and PA are likely to go through the same process
Would be funny as hell if the Dems tabled an objection to Norh Carolina. Which, given the amount of voter suppression, intimidation and graft in that state, they could do perfectly legitimately.
It looks like he is just rehiring the blokes he knew from Obama’s presidency. My concern is this is going to be a very lacklustre 4 years when there is a lot that needs to be done to fix America and the world
Are these Republican politicians mad enough to actually believe that the election was stolen and they can overturn it? Or are they conniving and mad enough to know it is rubbish but think they can actually overturn it anyway?
Either way they seem to have utterly lost the plot. And all for a man who would stab them in the back at a second's notice if he thought it would serve his ends.
Yes agree totally. Been watching it live on CNN. Really brings it home to you how fragile democracy can be, without the correct checks and balances in place, against a dictator. History shows as in Germany after ww1 how democracy can change so quickly. Hope we do not ever have to learn those lessons again. Relying on good people to do the correct thing is not enough. I believe the UK should strengthen an official constitution to help prevent it ever happening here.
Trump's reaction to losing the election is a bit like some pro-Europeans reaction to losing the 2016 Referendum.
If he'd put as much effort into actually winning the election as he has put into overturning it then he might have actually won the election in the first place.
That's a stupid point on both counts. Remainers accepted they lost the 2016 referendum, and Trump campaigned very hard to win the election.
Reading this forum there is scant evidence remainers have accepted they lost in 2016
You always say stuff like this without basis. Just like you pretend that this forum is full of labour supporters when its actually quite balanced.
There is one particular poster who tweets daily anti brexit comments as he has not accepted brexit and there are others in the same vain
Actually it seems there is a good contingent of lib dems on here who will never accept brexit
Scott, like me can claim the Bill Cash Amendment.
The UK is still a democracy, things change. My ghost will be cheering on the day we join a Federal United States of Europe.
Wowsers. McConnell has decided its time to take the GOP back from the Trump family. This is why the Donald has booked the flight to Scotland - get the hell out of dodge whilst still possible
CNN definitely won't be calling this a mostly peaceful protest.
What a state the US is in. In Portland and Seattle, the lefties are still smashing the place up on a regular basis and on the right we have all these Trump nutters wiped up into a frenzy storming buildings. And, lets hope that the decision not to press charges against the officers in Jacob Blake shooting doesn't set off another round of violence / looting.
Wowsers. McConnell has decided its time to take the GOP back from the Trump family. This is why the Donald has booked the flight to Scotland - get the hell out of dodge whilst still possible
Polls show 75% of GOP voters think the election was stolen. Mitch & Co do not have the numbers. The whole point of this is for the masses of the repubs to see the 'betrayal' in the flesh. That's why Trump is doing this, probably.
Are these Republican politicians mad enough to actually believe that the election was stolen and they can overturn it? Or are they conniving and mad enough to know it is rubbish but think they can actually overturn it anyway?
Either way they seem to have utterly lost the plot. And all for a man who would stab them in the back at a second's notice if he thought it would serve his ends.
Yes agree totally. Been watching it live on CNN. Really brings it home to you how fragile democracy can be, without the correct checks and balances in place, against a dictator. History shows as in Germany after ww1 how democracy can change so quickly. Hope we do not ever have to learn those lessons again. Relying on good people to do the correct thing is not enough. I believe the UK should strengthen an official constitution to help prevent it ever happening here.
The US is demonstrating that a Constitution does not safeguard democracy.
The voters and politicians do.
In the UK, 98%+ of the population will accept the result of the next election. No MPs (or ex MPs) will be claiming the election was stolen or demanding the Houses of Parliament be stormed.
What this lot need is a ceremonial leader who stays in place regardless of electoral cycles so they don't have to get really mad every few years about who rules, and just get made about grubby little legislators instead.
Wowsers. McConnell has decided its time to take the GOP back from the Trump family. This is why the Donald has booked the flight to Scotland - get the hell out of dodge whilst still possible
Polls show 75% of GOP voters think the election was stolen. Mitch & Co do not have the numbers. The whole point of this is for the masses of the repubs to see the 'betrayal' in the flesh. That's why Trump is doing this, probably.
The problem is very, very far from 75% of GOP congressional representatives think the election was stolen. Therein presages the massive internal strife ahead for the Republican Party.
Trump's reaction to losing the election is a bit like some pro-Europeans reaction to losing the 2016 Referendum.
If he'd put as much effort into actually winning the election as he has put into overturning it then he might have actually won the election in the first place.
That's a stupid point on both counts. Remainers accepted they lost the 2016 referendum, and Trump campaigned very hard to win the election.
Reading this forum there is scant evidence remainers have accepted they lost in 2016
You always say stuff like this without basis. Just like you pretend that this forum is full of labour supporters when its actually quite balanced.
There is one particular poster who tweets daily anti brexit comments as he has not accepted brexit and there are others in the same vain
Actually it seems there is a good contingent of lib dems on here who will never accept brexit
Scott, like me can claim the Bill Cash Amendment.
The UK is still a democracy, things change. My ghost will be cheering on the day we join a Federal United States of Europe.
By the way it's all kicking off in DC.
Only just a democracy, when we can be confined to our homes for up to three months by law, and a parliamentary vote (after the law is enacted) is only granted as some kind of favour to the government party’s own backbenchers.
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https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1346773996319203330?s=09
A bit like the Vice President.
Hopefully the history books will record these dangerous fools.
A shameful day for US democracy
CNN suggesting both GA and PA are likely to go through the same process
And the top of the Chinese Communist Party.
American democracy being debased in real time.
If a job is worth doing, it is worth doing it with as many procedural steps as possible, as slowly as possible, and as with as much needless grandiosity as possible.
Are these Republican politicians mad enough to actually believe that the election was stolen and they can overturn it? Or are they conniving and mad enough to know it is rubbish but think they can actually overturn it anyway?
Either way they seem to have utterly lost the plot. And all for a man who would stab them in the back at a second's notice if he thought it would serve his ends.
Get on Cruz then who will lodge an objection to the casting of the EC votes on behalf of Trump.
Any GOP Senator who fails to lodge an objection will have a black mark against them ahead of 2024 with the GOP base so can likely be ruled out of the nomination battle and they or any GOP Representative who fails to object will also face a Trumpite primary challenge when next up for re election
That legendary sense of superiority taken a knock, much?
I accepted that the country had voted for Brexit 4 years ago but I am no closer to agreeing with it than I was then. If you believe, in principle, that the UK should be in the EU then you don't change your mind just because 52% voted to leave it 4 years ago. (or at least some of don't)
US Police normally have a pretty good idea how to stop such things.
https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1346883077524639748?s=20
Love it when Tories say what they're really thinking. The dangers of going on Twitter when pissed.
What the media landscape is so sorely missing is the opinion of wealthy, right wing boomer males.
I've often wondered what they thought.
Edit: although they are probably under strict instructions to not be provoked or use any violence in case that blows up the nation.
For example, methinks that any wingnut running against US Sen. John Thune in South Dakota, will discover they are running into a freaking brick wall.
AND if wingnut DOES prevail, could well end up handing the seat to the Democrats. Like the wingnuts did re: Kansas governor.
Trump has the numbers.
Been watching it live on CNN.
Really brings it home to you how fragile democracy can be, without the correct checks and balances in place, against a dictator.
History shows as in Germany after ww1 how democracy can change so quickly.
Hope we do not ever have to learn those lessons again.
Relying on good people to do the correct thing is not enough.
I believe the UK should strengthen an official constitution to help prevent it ever happening here.
The UK is still a democracy, things change. My ghost will be cheering on the day we join a Federal United States of Europe.
By the way it's all kicking off in DC.
What a state the US is in. In Portland and Seattle, the lefties are still smashing the place up on a regular basis and on the right we have all these Trump nutters wiped up into a frenzy storming buildings. And, lets hope that the decision not to press charges against the officers in Jacob Blake shooting doesn't set off another round of violence / looting.
It's quite clear that's what a lot of the US, on several sides, wants.
But the old Repub party is totally finished. People who didn't fight with Trump are going to get primaried in the next two years and beaten.
The voters and politicians do.
In the UK, 98%+ of the population will accept the result of the next election. No MPs (or ex MPs) will be claiming the election was stolen or demanding the Houses of Parliament be stormed.
In the US.....
He's going to have wait about five years to primary McConnell.
This is going to end well