Someone posted on here a long time ago that all that mattered was that Boris ended up declaring Victory and the Mail / Sun etc endorsed that.
The actual contents of the deal - completely irrelevant. Nobody cares (including Boris).
There were also correct predictions on here 4 years ago to the effect that all the negotiations with the EU would go right to the last second. There's a lot of staging in the end.
RemainRejoin dies if(Likely when, I hope!) a deal is signed. No deal was always its best chance.
Yes, a terrible night for Adonis, Campbell and Lammy and Grieve etc as well as Sturgeon but a triumphant night for Boris whose place in the history books is now assured for all eternity as the man who delivered Brexit and secured its future with the EU trade deal.
Also a bad night for Farage, Boris will now be remembered as the man who truly was the architect of Brexit not him
LOL. 😂. Boris deal will forever be compared to May’s deal, Cameron’s deal, and the relationship prior to 2016. It’s optimum moment of glory is this coming week. And then it doesn’t stand still forever. It degrades. In terms of tangibles, money in household income, costs on business, economic growth, it loses badly in comparison with the other roads not taken, in terms of less tangible things, like sovereignty returned here (somewhere) and we have more democracy now, it will proclaim itself.
But in the hearts and minds of the British people, this deal will forever degrade, until it is replaced.
RemainRejoin dies if(Likely when, I hope!) a deal is signed. No deal was always its best chance.
Yes, a terrible night for Adonis, Campbell and Lammy and Grieve etc as well as Sturgeon but a triumphant night for Boris whose place in the history books is now assured for all eternity as the man who delivered Brexit and secured its future with the EU trade deal.
Also a bad night for Farage, Boris will now be remembered as the man who truly was the architect of Brexit not him
LOL. 😂. Boris deal will forever be compared to May’s deal, Cameron’s deal, and the relationship prior to 2016. It’s optimum moment of glory is this coming week. And then it doesn’t stand still forever. It degrades. In terms of tangibles, money in household income, costs on business, economic growth, it loses badly in comparison with the other roads not taken, in terms of less tangible things, like sovereignty returned here (somewhere) and we have more democracy now, it will proclaim itself.
But in the hearts and minds of the British people, this deal will forever degrade, until it is replaced.
Steadfast Remainers have been making these sorts of predictions for four years, and no matter how wrong those predictions are, they never waiver in how confidently they make the next set of predictions about their coming triumph.
Should we offer to help our EU neighbours with their genome sequencing and help them discover what mutant covid variations they have, or are we best off using the capacity we have for ourselves?
Perhaps they should join the UK Covid genome sequencing program? For entirely non-ideological reasons, of course.
Do you know if that's an opportunity available to them? Should we formally offer it?
Did anybody else know, before the last few weeks, that we were so far ahead of everybody in the genome sequencing game?
For a start, how so? I mean, we seem to be ridiculously ahead of everyone. I'm not looking at the figures now, but the ones I saw on here said we were about a hundred times ahead per covid test done, and we're well ahead on testing per capita over most we're compared against. I know we have some really top research facilities here, and there are bound to be things that we excel at. But how can we be quite so far ahead in the work done on this virus? Surely other countries had the potential to have done similar work?
And second, why is this only coming out now when we must have been doing the far higher level of genome sequencing for some time? I'm damned impressed by our numbers, but given the disparity with our neighbours' numbers I'm a bit disappointed that we didn't offer much earlier to help them out with this kind of testing (or if we did why we kept so quiet about it).
If you look at the detail we have been gene sequencing for places all over the world right back to the original outbreak. There are sequences for China, Australia, the USA and all over Europe included in the work they have been doing. It makes sense as that is the only way to track the mutations.
That's really good to hear. And of course it makes sense to collaborate. But I'm still astonished at the disparity in the levels we're doing compared to everybody else. I might be misremembering but I thought I read something here that Wales had done more genome sequence tests this month than the US had done in total on covid. If that's even close to being true I can not understand how..
I remember something else that said the US had done about half our number in total so either I'm confused or there's been confusing information.
Is this something to do with NHS Data being made available for medical research etc en masse a few years ago?
There was kerfuffle at the time - on one side due to privacy, on the other due to its availability to the evilz corporates.
RemainRejoin dies if(Likely when, I hope!) a deal is signed. No deal was always its best chance.
Yes, a terrible night for Adonis, Campbell and Lammy and Grieve etc as well as Sturgeon but a triumphant night for Boris whose place in the history books is now assured for all eternity as the man who delivered Brexit and secured its future with the EU trade deal.
Also a bad night for Farage, Boris will now be remembered as the man who truly was the architect of Brexit not him
LOL. 😂. Boris deal will forever be compared to May’s deal, Cameron’s deal, and the relationship prior to 2016. It’s optimum moment of glory is this coming week. And then it doesn’t stand still forever. It degrades. In terms of tangibles, money in household income, costs on business, economic growth, it loses badly in comparison with the other roads not taken, in terms of less tangible things, like sovereignty returned here (somewhere) and we have more democracy now, it will proclaim itself.
But in the hearts and minds of the British people, this deal will forever degrade, until it is replaced.
Steadfast Remainers have been making these sorts of predictions for four years, and no matter how wrong those predictions are, they never waiver in how confidently they make the next set of predictions about their coming triumph.
Still early days. We shall see. Now we are situated on the far side from the greenest grass 🙂
Morning all, happy Christmas Eve! Is this the day we finally get the UK/EU deal over the line?
I hope so.
I'm not quite sure why Brexiteers are getting so orgasmic. As a remainer I'm massively relieved that we will strike a deal. I expect it will be less advantageous than Theresa May's one but at least it's a deal. I'd have thought the best solution for diehard (ho ho ho) Brexiteers was a no deal. Anything less than that will involve compromise. So I bet the last minute attempts to scrutinise and debate it on Dec 30th will throw up some unpleasant facts for Brexiteers.
Anyway, hopefully it's all done and dusted and we can move on. And move on we need to. There are other pressing concerns right now.
Daily Fail are reporting giving ground on fishing, what do we think?
They'll be calling it the Christmas Deal, to go with the Good Friday Agreement.
At this point, I think most people have stopped caring about the details. We'll see how it works out in practice soon enough.
Yes, the hand of history is truly on Boris' shoulder tonight, having delivered Brexit he is now about to deliver a trade deal with the EU, whatever else he does his premiership will now anter the annals of history for decades if not centuries to come
Complete and utter bollocks all that’s been achieved is four years of lost opportunity nobody but the real extremists will read the 2000 pages they wil be writing about their own earth shattering involvement in what should have been concluded three years ago. Someone is still going to have to explain the queues at the ports in three weeks time.but at least we can now move on and concentrate on the virus. I’ll go down the cash m/c on 1/1 and try to withdraw some sovereignty and look around to see where I can spend it.
There’s quite the history of Presidents handing out pardons like confetti to some shady characters on their way out of the door. Clinton gave over 140 pardons on the day he left office, including his half brother for cocaine dealing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton
Daily Fail are reporting giving ground on fishing, what do we think?
They'll be calling it the Christmas Deal, to go with the Good Friday Agreement.
At this point, I think most people have stopped caring about the details. We'll see how it works out in practice soon enough.
Yes, the hand of history is truly on Boris' shoulder tonight, having delivered Brexit he is now about to deliver a trade deal with the EU, whatever else he does his premiership will now anter the annals of history for decades if not centuries to come
Complete and utter bollocks all that’s been achieved is four years of lost opportunity nobody but the real extremists will read the 2000 pages they wil be writing about their own earth shattering involvement in what should have been concluded three years ago. Someone is still going to have to explain the queues at the ports in three weeks time.but at least we can now move on and concentrate on the virus. I’ll go down the cash m/c on 1/1 and try to withdraw some sovereignty and look around to see where I can spend it.
Indeed; in those days when most politicians inn all parties saw our future INSIDE the EU, and instead of xenophobic carping helped to make the thing work, no-one particularly lauded Heath, who signed us in, or Wilson, who gave us the referendum which confirmed that.
Boris Johnson will, I suspect, be remembered as a wrecker.
There’s quite the history of Presidents handing out pardons like confetti to some shady characters on their way out of the door. Clinton gave over 140 pardons on the day he left office, including his half brother for cocaine dealing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton
How many presidents have pardoned those who protected them from criminal investigation while leaving those who pleaded guilty to swing in the wind?
This may be a foolish strategy if those left out decide to have their revenge in court...
CNN- California has become the first US state to surpass 2 million confirmed cases of Covid-19, according to data from Johns Hopkins University, as infections continue to rise rapidly and ICUs remain near or at full capacity.
As of 10 p.m. PT Thursday, California had reported 2,002,494 Covid-19 cases, JHU data showed. A total of 23,558 Californians have died of complications from the disease since the start of the pandemic.
California hit 1 million cases on November 12, approximately nine months after reporting its first infection. It has taken less than six weeks for the state to add another million cases.
Meanwhile, in the US: At least 9,465,725 vaccine doses have been distributed and at least 1,008,025 doses of the vaccine have been administered, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Should we offer to help our EU neighbours with their genome sequencing and help them discover what mutant covid variations they have, or are we best off using the capacity we have for ourselves?
Perhaps they should join the UK Covid genome sequencing program? For entirely non-ideological reasons, of course.
Do you know if that's an opportunity available to them? Should we formally offer it?
Did anybody else know, before the last few weeks, that we were so far ahead of everybody in the genome sequencing game?
For a start, how so? I mean, we seem to be ridiculously ahead of everyone. I'm not looking at the figures now, but the ones I saw on here said we were about a hundred times ahead per covid test done, and we're well ahead on testing per capita over most we're compared against. I know we have some really top research facilities here, and there are bound to be things that we excel at. But how can we be quite so far ahead in the work done on this virus? Surely other countries had the potential to have done similar work?
And second, why is this only coming out now when we must have been doing the far higher level of genome sequencing for some time? I'm damned impressed by our numbers, but given the disparity with our neighbours' numbers I'm a bit disappointed that we didn't offer much earlier to help them out with this kind of testing (or if we did why we kept so quiet about it).
If you look at the detail we have been gene sequencing for places all over the world right back to the original outbreak. There are sequences for China, Australia, the USA and all over Europe included in the work they have been doing. It makes sense as that is the only way to track the mutations.
That's really good to hear. And of course it makes sense to collaborate. But I'm still astonished at the disparity in the levels we're doing compared to everybody else. I might be misremembering but I thought I read something here that Wales had done more genome sequence tests this month than the US had done in total on covid. If that's even close to being true I can not understand how..
That was me - I was quoting from an article published on the BBC website where they'd been talking to the chap who set up the genomic sequencing effort for Public Health Wales. IIRC, the figures quoted were that Welsh labs had sequenced 4,000 Covid genomes in the past week, which was more than the whole of *France* had managed since the start of the pandemic. However, the capacities for such work in the US, Germany and other leading states are also, apparently, extremely limited.
Elsewhere I read that, in per capita terms, a small handful of countries - including Australia, Denmark and Iceland - have done better than us in this regard, though in absolute terms 45% of all Covid-19 genomic sequencing carried out globally to date has taken place in the UK.
Interestingly, South Africa also has a significant genomic sequencing capability, and of course it just so happens that a similar mutant Covid strain has been identified there. This adds weight to the notion that these viral variants are probably present (whether they've been imported, or have arisen independently) all over the globe, it's just that the surveillance systems of most nations are blind to them.
CNN- California has become the first US state to surpass 2 million confirmed cases of Covid-19, according to data from Johns Hopkins University, as infections continue to rise rapidly and ICUs remain near or at full capacity.
As of 10 p.m. PT Thursday, California had reported 2,002,494 Covid-19 cases, JHU data showed. A total of 23,558 Californians have died of complications from the disease since the start of the pandemic.
California hit 1 million cases on November 12, approximately nine months after reporting its first infection. It has taken less than six weeks for the state to add another million cases.
Presumably better testing is a factor in that, but it’s still pretty grim.
CNN- California has become the first US state to surpass 2 million confirmed cases of Covid-19, according to data from Johns Hopkins University, as infections continue to rise rapidly and ICUs remain near or at full capacity.
As of 10 p.m. PT Thursday, California had reported 2,002,494 Covid-19 cases, JHU data showed. A total of 23,558 Californians have died of complications from the disease since the start of the pandemic.
California hit 1 million cases on November 12, approximately nine months after reporting its first infection. It has taken less than six weeks for the state to add another million cases.
Meanwhile, in the US: At least 9,465,725 vaccine doses have been distributed and at least 1,008,025 doses of the vaccine have been administered, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The second million in just 6 weeks is quite an astonishing stat.
Daily Fail are reporting giving ground on fishing, what do we think?
They'll be calling it the Christmas Deal, to go with the Good Friday Agreement.
At this point, I think most people have stopped caring about the details. We'll see how it works out in practice soon enough.
Yes, the hand of history is truly on Boris' shoulder tonight, having delivered Brexit he is now about to deliver a trade deal with the EU, whatever else he does his premiership will now anter the annals of history for decades if not centuries to come
Complete and utter bollocks all that’s been achieved is four years of lost opportunity nobody but the real extremists will read the 2000 pages they wil be writing about their own earth shattering involvement in what should have been concluded three years ago. Someone is still going to have to explain the queues at the ports in three weeks time.but at least we can now move on and concentrate on the virus. I’ll go down the cash m/c on 1/1 and try to withdraw some sovereignty and look around to see where I can spend it.
Indeed; in those days when most politicians inn all parties saw our future INSIDE the EU, and instead of xenophobic carping helped to make the thing work, no-one particularly lauded Heath, who signed us in, or Wilson, who gave us the referendum which confirmed that.
Boris Johnson will, I suspect, be remembered as a wrecker.
Surely that is the point. For the most part in the UK/EU relationship it has been characterised by mistrust and a lack of enthusiasm. It never really took hold from the start. I think the responsibility for that has to be a shared one with roots in History that have proved too difficult in the end both for politicians and large chunks of the people. Europe too inevitavle shares the blame as we are told endlessly that the tango requires two dancers. Even as a convinced and unrepentant remainer I cannot pretend to be surprised and maybe the future will bring a better and more realistic relationship. I suspect there will be negative economic effects but I'm not clear that for many Brexit voters that was their problem with the EU. I know that many will put the blame on a dislike of immigrants endemic and unique to the UK but I doubt this stands up to polling scrutiny and it certainly does not seem to deter people from wishing to come. At any rate I hope the deal goes through and we can get some closure.
Should we offer to help our EU neighbours with their genome sequencing and help them discover what mutant covid variations they have, or are we best off using the capacity we have for ourselves?
Perhaps they should join the UK Covid genome sequencing program? For entirely non-ideological reasons, of course.
Do you know if that's an opportunity available to them? Should we formally offer it?
Did anybody else know, before the last few weeks, that we were so far ahead of everybody in the genome sequencing game?
For a start, how so? I mean, we seem to be ridiculously ahead of everyone. I'm not looking at the figures now, but the ones I saw on here said we were about a hundred times ahead per covid test done, and we're well ahead on testing per capita over most we're compared against. I know we have some really top research facilities here, and there are bound to be things that we excel at. But how can we be quite so far ahead in the work done on this virus? Surely other countries had the potential to have done similar work?
And second, why is this only coming out now when we must have been doing the far higher level of genome sequencing for some time? I'm damned impressed by our numbers, but given the disparity with our neighbours' numbers I'm a bit disappointed that we didn't offer much earlier to help them out with this kind of testing (or if we did why we kept so quiet about it).
If you look at the detail we have been gene sequencing for places all over the world right back to the original outbreak. There are sequences for China, Australia, the USA and all over Europe included in the work they have been doing. It makes sense as that is the only way to track the mutations.
That's really good to hear. And of course it makes sense to collaborate. But I'm still astonished at the disparity in the levels we're doing compared to everybody else. I might be misremembering but I thought I read something here that Wales had done more genome sequence tests this month than the US had done in total on covid. If that's even close to being true I can not understand how..
That was me - I was quoting from an article published on the BBC website where they'd been talking to the chap who set up the genomic sequencing effort for Public Health Wales. IIRC, the figures quoted were that Welsh labs had sequenced 4,000 Covid genomes in the past week, which was more than the whole of *France* had managed since the start of the pandemic. However, the capacities for such work in the US, Germany and other leading states are also, apparently, extremely limited.
Elsewhere I read that, in per capita terms, a small handful of countries - including Australia, Denmark and Iceland - have done better than us in this regard, though in absolute terms 45% of all Covid-19 genomic sequencing carried out globally to date has taken place in the UK.
Interestingly, South Africa also has a significant genomic sequencing capability, and of course it just so happens that a similar mutant Covid strain has been identified there. This adds weight to the notion that these viral variants are probably present (whether they've been imported, or have arisen independently) all over the globe, it's just that the surveillance systems of most nations are blind to them.
According to Anthony Browne, MP for South Cambridgeshire...
"On genome sequencing of the coronavirus, we are again towards the top of the league table. We are sequencing the genetic code of a greater proportion of viruses found than any other country with a major outbreak — 56 per 1,000 cases. That is 20 times as much as the US, and 60 times that of France, (which does less Covid sequencing than Kenya) and nearly 100 times as much as Germany (which does less than Bangladesh). The UK sequences a smaller proportion of cases than Denmark, Iceland and Australia, but their total number of cases is comparatively very small. "
Should we offer to help our EU neighbours with their genome sequencing and help them discover what mutant covid variations they have, or are we best off using the capacity we have for ourselves?
Perhaps they should join the UK Covid genome sequencing program? For entirely non-ideological reasons, of course.
Do you know if that's an opportunity available to them? Should we formally offer it?
Did anybody else know, before the last few weeks, that we were so far ahead of everybody in the genome sequencing game?
For a start, how so? I mean, we seem to be ridiculously ahead of everyone. I'm not looking at the figures now, but the ones I saw on here said we were about a hundred times ahead per covid test done, and we're well ahead on testing per capita over most we're compared against. I know we have some really top research facilities here, and there are bound to be things that we excel at. But how can we be quite so far ahead in the work done on this virus? Surely other countries had the potential to have done similar work?
And second, why is this only coming out now when we must have been doing the far higher level of genome sequencing for some time? I'm damned impressed by our numbers, but given the disparity with our neighbours' numbers I'm a bit disappointed that we didn't offer much earlier to help them out with this kind of testing (or if we did why we kept so quiet about it).
If you look at the detail we have been gene sequencing for places all over the world right back to the original outbreak. There are sequences for China, Australia, the USA and all over Europe included in the work they have been doing. It makes sense as that is the only way to track the mutations.
That's really good to hear. And of course it makes sense to collaborate. But I'm still astonished at the disparity in the levels we're doing compared to everybody else. I might be misremembering but I thought I read something here that Wales had done more genome sequence tests this month than the US had done in total on covid. If that's even close to being true I can not understand how..
That was me - I was quoting from an article published on the BBC website where they'd been talking to the chap who set up the genomic sequencing effort for Public Health Wales. IIRC, the figures quoted were that Welsh labs had sequenced 4,000 Covid genomes in the past week, which was more than the whole of *France* had managed since the start of the pandemic. However, the capacities for such work in the US, Germany and other leading states are also, apparently, extremely limited.
Elsewhere I read that, in per capita terms, a small handful of countries - including Australia, Denmark and Iceland - have done better than us in this regard, though in absolute terms 45% of all Covid-19 genomic sequencing carried out globally to date has taken place in the UK.
Interestingly, South Africa also has a significant genomic sequencing capability, and of course it just so happens that a similar mutant Covid strain has been identified there. This adds weight to the notion that these viral variants are probably present (whether they've been imported, or have arisen independently) all over the globe, it's just that the surveillance systems of most nations are blind to them.
I think that is probably true. It is one advantage of the set up for Public Health that we have.
It was the Shanghai group that first sequenced the genome, and published it for all to see, on Jan 11th. That was a key step as work on the RNA vaccine started the next day.
Should we offer to help our EU neighbours with their genome sequencing and help them discover what mutant covid variations they have, or are we best off using the capacity we have for ourselves?
Perhaps they should join the UK Covid genome sequencing program? For entirely non-ideological reasons, of course.
Do you know if that's an opportunity available to them? Should we formally offer it?
Did anybody else know, before the last few weeks, that we were so far ahead of everybody in the genome sequencing game?
For a start, how so? I mean, we seem to be ridiculously ahead of everyone. I'm not looking at the figures now, but the ones I saw on here said we were about a hundred times ahead per covid test done, and we're well ahead on testing per capita over most we're compared against. I know we have some really top research facilities here, and there are bound to be things that we excel at. But how can we be quite so far ahead in the work done on this virus? Surely other countries had the potential to have done similar work?
And second, why is this only coming out now when we must have been doing the far higher level of genome sequencing for some time? I'm damned impressed by our numbers, but given the disparity with our neighbours' numbers I'm a bit disappointed that we didn't offer much earlier to help them out with this kind of testing (or if we did why we kept so quiet about it).
If you look at the detail we have been gene sequencing for places all over the world right back to the original outbreak. There are sequences for China, Australia, the USA and all over Europe included in the work they have been doing. It makes sense as that is the only way to track the mutations.
That's really good to hear. And of course it makes sense to collaborate. But I'm still astonished at the disparity in the levels we're doing compared to everybody else. I might be misremembering but I thought I read something here that Wales had done more genome sequence tests this month than the US had done in total on covid. If that's even close to being true I can not understand how..
That was me - I was quoting from an article published on the BBC website where they'd been talking to the chap who set up the genomic sequencing effort for Public Health Wales. IIRC, the figures quoted were that Welsh labs had sequenced 4,000 Covid genomes in the past week, which was more than the whole of *France* had managed since the start of the pandemic. However, the capacities for such work in the US, Germany and other leading states are also, apparently, extremely limited.
Elsewhere I read that, in per capita terms, a small handful of countries - including Australia, Denmark and Iceland - have done better than us in this regard, though in absolute terms 45% of all Covid-19 genomic sequencing carried out globally to date has taken place in the UK.
Interestingly, South Africa also has a significant genomic sequencing capability, and of course it just so happens that a similar mutant Covid strain has been identified there. This adds weight to the notion that these viral variants are probably present (whether they've been imported, or have arisen independently) all over the globe, it's just that the surveillance systems of most nations are blind to them.
Is this genome sequencing ability just a spin off from what current projects are under investigation, does it link back to Crick and Watson having built up teams and interest in the subject?
Daily Fail are reporting giving ground on fishing, what do we think?
They'll be calling it the Christmas Deal, to go with the Good Friday Agreement.
At this point, I think most people have stopped caring about the details. We'll see how it works out in practice soon enough.
Yes, the hand of history is truly on Boris' shoulder tonight, having delivered Brexit he is now about to deliver a trade deal with the EU, whatever else he does his premiership will now anter the annals of history for decades if not centuries to come
Complete and utter bollocks all that’s been achieved is four years of lost opportunity nobody but the real extremists will read the 2000 pages they wil be writing about their own earth shattering involvement in what should have been concluded three years ago. Someone is still going to have to explain the queues at the ports in three weeks time.but at least we can now move on and concentrate on the virus. I’ll go down the cash m/c on 1/1 and try to withdraw some sovereignty and look around to see where I can spend it.
Indeed; in those days when most politicians inn all parties saw our future INSIDE the EU, and instead of xenophobic carping helped to make the thing work, no-one particularly lauded Heath, who signed us in, or Wilson, who gave us the referendum which confirmed that.
Boris Johnson will, I suspect, be remembered as a wrecker.
Well, regardless, it looks like it's done, and we're not going back.
Realistically, the only (small) chance there was of the UK doing a volte-face was if Brexit turned out to be a total economic catastrophe, of a length and depth that might cause widespread regret amongst the population. That's not happening, firstly because of the deal and secondly because we are mid-disaster already, and that can obviously be blamed on the Plague.
We then have to ask what appetite will exist, on either the EU or UK side, to knit the two polities back together at any point in the future. The longer we're apart, the more we'll diverge, and returning to this issue will only open the divisions over it in British society right back up (and, in any event, in the short and medium term nobody will want to be having more arguments over Europe.) If and when a Rejoiner movement gains significant traction in this country - and, bearing in mind the huge gap between the first and second European referendums, that is likely to take a very long time - then it will still need to persuade the public that years of tortuous negotiations and the handover of huge amounts of political power to the institutions in Brussels is a good idea.
I suppose it's not inconceivable that this might happen one day - never say never - but let's just say I'm 44 and in good health, and I don't expect England at the very least to go back into the EU in my lifetime. It's more likely that the EU itself will fragment.
The US needs to sort out the 3 month hiatus between the vote and inauguration. It served its purpose when crossing the country was a major feat of transportation but is now a recipe for national and international trouble.
Daily Fail are reporting giving ground on fishing, what do we think?
They'll be calling it the Christmas Deal, to go with the Good Friday Agreement.
At this point, I think most people have stopped caring about the details. We'll see how it works out in practice soon enough.
Yes, the hand of history is truly on Boris' shoulder tonight, having delivered Brexit he is now about to deliver a trade deal with the EU, whatever else he does his premiership will now anter the annals of history for decades if not centuries to come
Complete and utter bollocks all that’s been achieved is four years of lost opportunity nobody but the real extremists will read the 2000 pages they wil be writing about their own earth shattering involvement in what should have been concluded three years ago. Someone is still going to have to explain the queues at the ports in three weeks time.but at least we can now move on and concentrate on the virus. I’ll go down the cash m/c on 1/1 and try to withdraw some sovereignty and look around to see where I can spend it.
Indeed; in those days when most politicians inn all parties saw our future INSIDE the EU, and instead of xenophobic carping helped to make the thing work, no-one particularly lauded Heath, who signed us in, or Wilson, who gave us the referendum which confirmed that.
Boris Johnson will, I suspect, be remembered as a wrecker.
Surely that is the point. For the most part in the UK/EU relationship it has been characterised by mistrust and a lack of enthusiasm. It never really took hold from the start. I think the responsibility for that has to be a shared one with roots in History that have proved too difficult in the end both for politicians and large chunks of the people. Europe too inevitavle shares the blame as we are told endlessly that the tango requires two dancers. Even as a convinced and unrepentant remainer I cannot pretend to be surprised and maybe the future will bring a better and more realistic relationship. I suspect there will be negative economic effects but I'm not clear that for many Brexit voters that was their problem with the EU. I know that many will put the blame on a dislike of immigrants endemic and unique to the UK but I doubt this stands up to polling scrutiny and it certainly does not seem to deter people from wishing to come. At any rate I hope the deal goes through and we can get some closure.
While I am not sure that your second sentence isn't 'with benefit of hindsight', there's a great deal in the rest of the post with which I agree.
Daily Fail are reporting giving ground on fishing, what do we think?
They'll be calling it the Christmas Deal, to go with the Good Friday Agreement.
At this point, I think most people have stopped caring about the details. We'll see how it works out in practice soon enough.
Yes, the hand of history is truly on Boris' shoulder tonight, having delivered Brexit he is now about to deliver a trade deal with the EU, whatever else he does his premiership will now anter the annals of history for decades if not centuries to come
Complete and utter bollocks all that’s been achieved is four years of lost opportunity nobody but the real extremists will read the 2000 pages they wil be writing about their own earth shattering involvement in what should have been concluded three years ago. Someone is still going to have to explain the queues at the ports in three weeks time.but at least we can now move on and concentrate on the virus. I’ll go down the cash m/c on 1/1 and try to withdraw some sovereignty and look around to see where I can spend it.
Indeed; in those days when most politicians inn all parties saw our future INSIDE the EU, and instead of xenophobic carping helped to make the thing work, no-one particularly lauded Heath, who signed us in, or Wilson, who gave us the referendum which confirmed that.
Boris Johnson will, I suspect, be remembered as a wrecker.
Well, regardless, it looks like it's done, and we're not going back.
Realistically, the only (small) chance there was of the UK doing a volte-face was if Brexit turned out to be a total economic catastrophe, of a length and depth that might cause widespread regret amongst the population. That's not happening, firstly because of the deal and secondly because we are mid-disaster already, and that can obviously be blamed on the Plague.
We then have to ask what appetite will exist, on either the EU or UK side, to knit the two polities back together at any point in the future. The longer we're apart, the more we'll diverge, and returning to this issue will only open the divisions over it in British society right back up (and, in any event, in the short and medium term nobody will want to be having more arguments over Europe.) If and when a Rejoiner movement gains significant traction in this country - and, bearing in mind the huge gap between the first and second European referendums, that is likely to take a very long time - then it will still need to persuade the public that years of tortuous negotiations and the handover of huge amounts of political power to the institutions in Brussels is a good idea.
I suppose it's not inconceivable that this might happen one day - never say never - but let's just say I'm 44 and in good health, and I don't expect England at the very least to go back into the EU in my lifetime. It's more likely that the EU itself will fragment.
Far more likely that the UK will fragment. A deal makes a Scottish border simpler too.
The US needs to sort out the 3 month hiatus between the vote and inauguration. It served its purpose when crossing the country was a major feat of transportation but is now a recipe for national and international trouble.
There does need to be a long transition period to allow the incoming president to appoint what amounts his team, not just the Cabinet but also what over here would be civil servants, and Ambassadors. As with everything else, Trump is riding roughshod over conventions but, as they say, hard cases make bad law.
Daily Fail are reporting giving ground on fishing, what do we think?
They'll be calling it the Christmas Deal, to go with the Good Friday Agreement.
At this point, I think most people have stopped caring about the details. We'll see how it works out in practice soon enough.
Yes, the hand of history is truly on Boris' shoulder tonight, having delivered Brexit he is now about to deliver a trade deal with the EU, whatever else he does his premiership will now anter the annals of history for decades if not centuries to come
Complete and utter bollocks all that’s been achieved is four years of lost opportunity nobody but the real extremists will read the 2000 pages they wil be writing about their own earth shattering involvement in what should have been concluded three years ago. Someone is still going to have to explain the queues at the ports in three weeks time.but at least we can now move on and concentrate on the virus. I’ll go down the cash m/c on 1/1 and try to withdraw some sovereignty and look around to see where I can spend it.
Indeed; in those days when most politicians inn all parties saw our future INSIDE the EU, and instead of xenophobic carping helped to make the thing work, no-one particularly lauded Heath, who signed us in, or Wilson, who gave us the referendum which confirmed that.
Boris Johnson will, I suspect, be remembered as a wrecker.
Surely that is the point. For the most part in the UK/EU relationship it has been characterised by mistrust and a lack of enthusiasm. It never really took hold from the start. I think the responsibility for that has to be a shared one with roots in History that have proved too difficult in the end both for politicians and large chunks of the people. Europe too inevitavle shares the blame as we are told endlessly that the tango requires two dancers. Even as a convinced and unrepentant remainer I cannot pretend to be surprised and maybe the future will bring a better and more realistic relationship. I suspect there will be negative economic effects but I'm not clear that for many Brexit voters that was their problem with the EU. I know that many will put the blame on a dislike of immigrants endemic and unique to the UK but I doubt this stands up to polling scrutiny and it certainly does not seem to deter people from wishing to come. At any rate I hope the deal goes through and we can get some closure.
The deal is good news. It means that instead of ongoing animosity we have a working relationship - and one that will be sealed with handshakes and smiles. For me, that is a lot more important than the actual content of the agreement, which by its very nature is going to put up barriers for both businesses and individuals. But those can be worked on and reduced once more over the coming years much more effectively now because we have ended up remaining friends. It's not the outcome I wanted or the one that I think is best for the UK, but it is far, far better than what had become the only alternative.
Daily Fail are reporting giving ground on fishing, what do we think?
They'll be calling it the Christmas Deal, to go with the Good Friday Agreement.
At this point, I think most people have stopped caring about the details. We'll see how it works out in practice soon enough.
Yes, the hand of history is truly on Boris' shoulder tonight, having delivered Brexit he is now about to deliver a trade deal with the EU, whatever else he does his premiership will now anter the annals of history for decades if not centuries to come
Complete and utter bollocks all that’s been achieved is four years of lost opportunity nobody but the real extremists will read the 2000 pages they wil be writing about their own earth shattering involvement in what should have been concluded three years ago. Someone is still going to have to explain the queues at the ports in three weeks time.but at least we can now move on and concentrate on the virus. I’ll go down the cash m/c on 1/1 and try to withdraw some sovereignty and look around to see where I can spend it.
Indeed; in those days when most politicians inn all parties saw our future INSIDE the EU, and instead of xenophobic carping helped to make the thing work, no-one particularly lauded Heath, who signed us in, or Wilson, who gave us the referendum which confirmed that.
Boris Johnson will, I suspect, be remembered as a wrecker.
Well, regardless, it looks like it's done, and we're not going back.
Realistically, the only (small) chance there was of the UK doing a volte-face was if Brexit turned out to be a total economic catastrophe, of a length and depth that might cause widespread regret amongst the population. That's not happening, firstly because of the deal and secondly because we are mid-disaster already, and that can obviously be blamed on the Plague.
We then have to ask what appetite will exist, on either the EU or UK side, to knit the two polities back together at any point in the future. The longer we're apart, the more we'll diverge, and returning to this issue will only open the divisions over it in British society right back up (and, in any event, in the short and medium term nobody will want to be having more arguments over Europe.) If and when a Rejoiner movement gains significant traction in this country - and, bearing in mind the huge gap between the first and second European referendums, that is likely to take a very long time - then it will still need to persuade the public that years of tortuous negotiations and the handover of huge amounts of political power to the institutions in Brussels is a good idea.
I suppose it's not inconceivable that this might happen one day - never say never - but let's just say I'm 44 and in good health, and I don't expect England at the very least to go back into the EU in my lifetime. It's more likely that the EU itself will fragment.
The sensible line for both sides is to build up good relationships with each other, learning to cooperate when appropriate, try and salvage some of the soft EU benefits, EHIC, pet passport etc. I’m afraid it won’t happen as too many of the Tory party will still see Europe as the enemy, someone we have to perpetually score points over to prove our macho credentials.
King Cole, pro-EU British politicians have been their own worst enemies.
Often citing the EU as a scapegoat/excuse for why something must/cannot be done, opposing it in opposition ('We'll stand up for Britain') and going along with it in office spurs then frustrates scepticism. Plus the bizarre lack of making a case for it, perhaps due to nearly the entire political class agreeing with one another. And, of course, promising then reneging upon a referendum on Lisbon so that every even slightly sceptical voter knew in 2016 that this was almost certainly the only say they'd ever get.
If there is a deal there's a much better chance of cordial relations than the cliff edge and natural tendency to harden opinion against the EU. May also help the rather fraught state of polarised politics today. But we shall see.
There’s quite the history of Presidents handing out pardons like confetti to some shady characters on their way out of the door. Clinton gave over 140 pardons on the day he left office, including his half brother for cocaine dealing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton
Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich was unforgivable. It was final evidence that he was - at heart - not a truly moral man.
Until Trump's pardon list, I didn't think I'd see anything worse in my lifetime.
As well as walking away from such an imaginative and exciting project, it's the loss of all the side-deals that I mourn. What's happening to the security and anti-crime activity; some that co-operation has gone, and will have to be rebuilt. Likewise such 'youthful' co-operation as Erasmus.
Note; sudden crash on pb. Anyone else experience it?
The US needs to sort out the 3 month hiatus between the vote and inauguration. It served its purpose when crossing the country was a major feat of transportation but is now a recipe for national and international trouble.
It’s better than it was. Until 1936 it was four months, not two.
Should we offer to help our EU neighbours with their genome sequencing and help them discover what mutant covid variations they have, or are we best off using the capacity we have for ourselves?
Perhaps they should join the UK Covid genome sequencing program? For entirely non-ideological reasons, of course.
Do you know if that's an opportunity available to them? Should we formally offer it?
Did anybody else know, before the last few weeks, that we were so far ahead of everybody in the genome sequencing game?
For a start, how so? I mean, we seem to be ridiculously ahead of everyone. I'm not looking at the figures now, but the ones I saw on here said we were about a hundred times ahead per covid test done, and we're well ahead on testing per capita over most we're compared against. I know we have some really top research facilities here, and there are bound to be things that we excel at. But how can we be quite so far ahead in the work done on this virus? Surely other countries had the potential to have done similar work?
And second, why is this only coming out now when we must have been doing the far higher level of genome sequencing for some time? I'm damned impressed by our numbers, but given the disparity with our neighbours' numbers I'm a bit disappointed that we didn't offer much earlier to help them out with this kind of testing (or if we did why we kept so quiet about it).
If you look at the detail we have been gene sequencing for places all over the world right back to the original outbreak. There are sequences for China, Australia, the USA and all over Europe included in the work they have been doing. It makes sense as that is the only way to track the mutations.
That's really good to hear. And of course it makes sense to collaborate. But I'm still astonished at the disparity in the levels we're doing compared to everybody else. I might be misremembering but I thought I read something here that Wales had done more genome sequence tests this month than the US had done in total on covid. If that's even close to being true I can not understand how..
That was me - I was quoting from an article published on the BBC website where they'd been talking to the chap who set up the genomic sequencing effort for Public Health Wales. IIRC, the figures quoted were that Welsh labs had sequenced 4,000 Covid genomes in the past week, which was more than the whole of *France* had managed since the start of the pandemic. However, the capacities for such work in the US, Germany and other leading states are also, apparently, extremely limited.
Elsewhere I read that, in per capita terms, a small handful of countries - including Australia, Denmark and Iceland - have done better than us in this regard, though in absolute terms 45% of all Covid-19 genomic sequencing carried out globally to date has taken place in the UK.
Interestingly, South Africa also has a significant genomic sequencing capability, and of course it just so happens that a similar mutant Covid strain has been identified there. This adds weight to the notion that these viral variants are probably present (whether they've been imported, or have arisen independently) all over the globe, it's just that the surveillance systems of most nations are blind to them.
Is this genome sequencing ability just a spin off from what current projects are under investigation, does it link back to Crick and Watson having built up teams and interest in the subject?
Genome sequencing is largely automated these days. The reason we do more than anyone else is organisational. We established the COG-UK consortium of NHS and university labs to do the work.
The current COVID-19 pandemic, caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, represents a major threat to health. The COVID-19 Genomics UK (COG-UK) consortium has been created to deliver large-scale and rapid whole-genome virus sequencing to local NHS centres and the UK government.
COG-UK is made up of an innovative partnership of NHS organisations, the four Public Health Agencies of the UK, the Wellcome Sanger Institute and over twelve academic partners providing sequencing and analysis capacity.
COG-UK is supported by £20 million funding from the UK Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), UK Research and Innovation (UKRI) and the Wellcome Sanger Institute, administered by UK Research and Innovation. https://www.cogconsortium.uk/
In the last eight months we have grown into a consortium of many hundreds of people. COG-UK supports 16 sequencing hubs that are distributed across the country and includes the four Public Health Agencies, and researchers from academic partners across the UK. Our academic partner institutions include (in alphabetic order) the University of Birmingham, University of Cambridge, Cardiff University, University of Edinburgh, University of Exeter, University of Glasgow, Imperial College London, University of Liverpool, University of Nottingham, Northumbria University, University of Oxford, University of Portsmouth, the Quadram Institute — Norwich, Queens University — Belfast, University of Sheffield, University College London, and the Wellcome Sanger Institute. A large number of other institutions and partners have also been essential to the COG-UK effort. https://www.cogconsortium.uk/news_item/a-short-history-of-the-covid-19-genomics-uk-cog-uk-consortium/
As well as walking away from such an imaginative and exciting project, it's the loss of all the side-deals that I mourn. What's happening to the security and anti-crime activity; some that co-operation has gone, and will have to be rebuilt. Likewise such 'youthful' co-operation as Erasmus.
Note; sudden crash on pb. Anyone else experience it?
Did anyone not experience it? From the lack of comments I’m guessing it affected everyone.
There’s quite the history of Presidents handing out pardons like confetti to some shady characters on their way out of the door. Clinton gave over 140 pardons on the day he left office, including his half brother for cocaine dealing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton
Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich was unforgivable. It was final evidence that he was - at heart - not a truly moral man.
Until Trump's pardon list, I didn't think I'd see anything worse in my lifetime.
Rich's pardon was a disgrace, but openly offering and granting pardons to people in exchange for lying under oath to protect the president is a few steps worse, and more seriously undermines the rule of law.
As well as walking away from such an imaginative and exciting project, it's the loss of all the side-deals that I mourn. What's happening to the security and anti-crime activity; some that co-operation has gone, and will have to be rebuilt. Likewise such 'youthful' co-operation as Erasmus.
Note; sudden crash on pb. Anyone else experience it?
Yes, it is affecting other Vanilla powered forums as well.
As well as walking away from such an imaginative and exciting project, it's the loss of all the side-deals that I mourn. What's happening to the security and anti-crime activity; some that co-operation has gone, and will have to be rebuilt. Likewise such 'youthful' co-operation as Erasmus.
Note; sudden crash on pb. Anyone else experience it?
I'm relieved that we apparently have a deal - I admit to doubting that it would happen (and it still has to be finalised and ratified) - but I share your consternation at our self-inflicted losses.
BTW, my missus has just left for work. She is a clinical geneticist at one of the largest labs in the country. Many of her colleagues are EU nationals, very smart people attracted to the UK by its reputation for excellence in this field and ease of access. It's going to be much harder to attract these people in future. Needless to say, her colleagues are virtually unanimous in their dismay at our leaving the EU.
P.S. Yes, PB does seem to be behaving a little strangely this morning.
There’s quite the history of Presidents handing out pardons like confetti to some shady characters on their way out of the door. Clinton gave over 140 pardons on the day he left office, including his half brother for cocaine dealing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton
Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich was unforgivable. It was final evidence that he was - at heart - not a truly moral man.
Until Trump's pardon list, I didn't think I'd see anything worse in my lifetime.
What can one say about a man who pardons unrepentant mass murderers ?
King Cole, pro-EU British politicians have been their own worst enemies.
Often citing the EU as a scapegoat/excuse for why something must/cannot be done, opposing it in opposition ('We'll stand up for Britain') and going along with it in office spurs then frustrates scepticism. Plus the bizarre lack of making a case for it, perhaps due to nearly the entire political class agreeing with one another. And, of course, promising then reneging upon a referendum on Lisbon so that every even slightly sceptical voter knew in 2016 that this was almost certainly the only say they'd ever get.
If there is a deal there's a much better chance of cordial relations than the cliff edge and natural tendency to harden opinion against the EU. May also help the rather fraught state of polarised politics today. But we shall see.
You keep banging on about Lisbon but that had already been watered down after the French and Dutch referendums rejected it. Lisbon is a red herring and you need to look back at Maastricht which, in turning the EEC into the more nation-like EU with the Euro, Freedom of Movement and so on, split the Conservative Party (remember John Major's references to bastards and the sound of white coats flapping) and led to Nigel Farage setting up Ukip. It was Maastricht, aided in the 1990s by amusing but inaccurate anti-EU stories made up by the Telegraph's Brussels correspondent, one B Johnson, that set in chain events leading to Brexit.
There’s quite the history of Presidents handing out pardons like confetti to some shady characters on their way out of the door. Clinton gave over 140 pardons on the day he left office, including his half brother for cocaine dealing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton
The lack of limitations on that power, if it must exist at all, is a disgrace. Many reasonable pardons and commutations alongside crony rewards.
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But in the hearts and minds of the British people, this deal will forever degrade, until it is replaced.
There was kerfuffle at the time - on one side due to privacy, on the other due to its availability to the evilz corporates.
I'm not quite sure why Brexiteers are getting so orgasmic. As a remainer I'm massively relieved that we will strike a deal. I expect it will be less advantageous than Theresa May's one but at least it's a deal. I'd have thought the best solution for diehard (ho ho ho) Brexiteers was a no deal. Anything less than that will involve compromise. So I bet the last minute attempts to scrutinise and debate it on Dec 30th will throw up some unpleasant facts for Brexiteers.
Anyway, hopefully it's all done and dusted and we can move on. And move on we need to. There are other pressing concerns right now.
Trump pardons Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Charles Kushner
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55433522
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton
Boris Johnson will, I suspect, be remembered as a wrecker.
This may be a foolish strategy if those left out decide to have their revenge in court...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/23/sir-keir-starmer-urge-shadow-cabinet-back-brexit-trade-deal/
As of 10 p.m. PT Thursday, California had reported 2,002,494 Covid-19 cases, JHU data showed. A total of 23,558 Californians have died of complications from the disease since the start of the pandemic.
California hit 1 million cases on November 12, approximately nine months after reporting its first infection. It has taken less than six weeks for the state to add another million cases.
Meanwhile, in the US: At least 9,465,725 vaccine doses have been distributed and at least 1,008,025 doses of the vaccine have been administered, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Elsewhere I read that, in per capita terms, a small handful of countries - including Australia, Denmark and Iceland - have done better than us in this regard, though in absolute terms 45% of all Covid-19 genomic sequencing carried out globally to date has taken place in the UK.
Interestingly, South Africa also has a significant genomic sequencing capability, and of course it just so happens that a similar mutant Covid strain has been identified there. This adds weight to the notion that these viral variants are probably present (whether they've been imported, or have arisen independently) all over the globe, it's just that the surveillance systems of most nations are blind to them.
"On genome sequencing of the coronavirus, we are again towards the top of the league table. We are sequencing the genetic code of a greater proportion of viruses found than any other country with a major outbreak — 56 per 1,000 cases. That is 20 times as much as the US, and 60 times that of France, (which does less Covid sequencing than Kenya) and nearly 100 times as much as Germany (which does less than Bangladesh). The UK sequences a smaller proportion of cases than Denmark, Iceland and Australia, but their total number of cases is comparatively very small. "
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/britain-is-leading-the-world-in-the-fight-against-covid-seriously
It was the Shanghai group that first sequenced the genome, and published it for all to see, on Jan 11th. That was a key step as work on the RNA vaccine started the next day.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/chinese-researchers-reveal-draft-genome-virus-implicated-wuhan-pneumonia-outbreak
Realistically, the only (small) chance there was of the UK doing a volte-face was if Brexit turned out to be a total economic catastrophe, of a length and depth that might cause widespread regret amongst the population. That's not happening, firstly because of the deal and secondly because we are mid-disaster already, and that can obviously be blamed on the Plague.
We then have to ask what appetite will exist, on either the EU or UK side, to knit the two polities back together at any point in the future. The longer we're apart, the more we'll diverge, and returning to this issue will only open the divisions over it in British society right back up (and, in any event, in the short and medium term nobody will want to be having more arguments over Europe.) If and when a Rejoiner movement gains significant traction in this country - and, bearing in mind the huge gap between the first and second European referendums, that is likely to take a very long time - then it will still need to persuade the public that years of tortuous negotiations and the handover of huge amounts of political power to the institutions in Brussels is a good idea.
I suppose it's not inconceivable that this might happen one day - never say never - but let's just say I'm 44 and in good health, and I don't expect England at the very least to go back into the EU in my lifetime. It's more likely that the EU itself will fragment.
It's such a tragedy.
King Cole, pro-EU British politicians have been their own worst enemies.
Often citing the EU as a scapegoat/excuse for why something must/cannot be done, opposing it in opposition ('We'll stand up for Britain') and going along with it in office spurs then frustrates scepticism. Plus the bizarre lack of making a case for it, perhaps due to nearly the entire political class agreeing with one another. And, of course, promising then reneging upon a referendum on Lisbon so that every even slightly sceptical voter knew in 2016 that this was almost certainly the only say they'd ever get.
If there is a deal there's a much better chance of cordial relations than the cliff edge and natural tendency to harden opinion against the EU. May also help the rather fraught state of polarised politics today. But we shall see.
Until Trump's pardon list, I didn't think I'd see anything worse in my lifetime.
It doesn't matter if Biden would have a majority in the Senate to pass a bill. McConnell can stop everything
Note; sudden crash on pb. Anyone else experience it?
The current COVID-19 pandemic, caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, represents a major threat to health. The COVID-19 Genomics UK (COG-UK) consortium has been created to deliver large-scale and rapid whole-genome virus sequencing to local NHS centres and the UK government.
COG-UK is made up of an innovative partnership of NHS organisations, the four Public Health Agencies of the UK, the Wellcome Sanger Institute and over twelve academic partners providing sequencing and analysis capacity.
COG-UK is supported by £20 million funding from the UK Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC), UK Research and Innovation (UKRI) and the Wellcome Sanger Institute, administered by UK Research and Innovation.
https://www.cogconsortium.uk/
In the last eight months we have grown into a consortium of many hundreds of people. COG-UK supports 16 sequencing hubs that are distributed across the country and includes the four Public Health Agencies, and researchers from academic partners across the UK. Our academic partner institutions include (in alphabetic order) the University of Birmingham, University of Cambridge, Cardiff University, University of Edinburgh, University of Exeter, University of Glasgow, Imperial College London, University of Liverpool, University of Nottingham, Northumbria University, University of Oxford, University of Portsmouth, the Quadram Institute — Norwich, Queens University — Belfast, University of Sheffield, University College London, and the Wellcome Sanger Institute. A large number of other institutions and partners have also been essential to the COG-UK effort.
https://www.cogconsortium.uk/news_item/a-short-history-of-the-covid-19-genomics-uk-cog-uk-consortium/
Phone call between EU and the clown later, then press Conf at or after 10 am
Adler emphasising that the deal will not be the promised frictionless trade
openly offering and granting pardons to people in exchange for lying under oath to protect the president is a few steps worse, and more seriously undermines the rule of law.
Those pardoned do, after all, lose any 5th Amendment rights in respect of all crimes they were pardoned for.
It’s quite likely Trump will attempt to pardon himself.
Particularly since in attempting to pardon himself, he would have confessed and therefore would be unable to plead not guilty in a subsequent trial.
BTW, my missus has just left for work. She is a clinical geneticist at one of the largest labs in the country. Many of her colleagues are EU nationals, very smart people attracted to the UK by its reputation for excellence in this field and ease of access. It's going to be much harder to attract these people in future. Needless to say, her colleagues are virtually unanimous in their dismay at our leaving the EU.
P.S. Yes, PB does seem to be behaving a little strangely this morning.
lied to protect the President and been pardoned.