Love the way he goes from 'stay local' to 'don't travel abroad'.
Brexit fixed the travel abroad. After 1st Jan the EU will not be letting the British in. We will be an external country in a pandemic. Kiss your winter hols goodbye
Lock at what boris said to his MPs before they approved the Tier system.
How can they ever trust anything he says again?
This virus is changing and as it changes policy has to change
The government took us out 2.0 and sent us shopping to save businesses, save jobs, you’ve seen the footage of crowds, many without masks this winter time. You 100% sure it needs mutant virus to achieve this same surge, or joining with me to congratulate the government on very clever political narrative management?
2.0 didn’t get r down as hoped for the shopping splurge and 5 days Christmas mayhem to go as hoped, government were under pressure it needed clever politics and they managed to u turn to the correct place to be.
Honestly, Boris delivery once again dreadful. Sturgeon is going to cancel Christmas and demand the sacrifice of every first born and will seem more relatable, human and competent.
No difference, other than the fact you are a leftwinger who hates Boris and loves Sturgeon
Honestly, Boris delivery once again dreadful. Sturgeon is going to cancel Christmas and demand the sacrifice of every first born and will seem more relatable, human and competent.
Where the fuck did communal worship come from. Does he think SCOTUS decisions are important here lol ?
Because a very large number of Tory voters enjoy Christmas services. Don’t overthink it beyond that.
Keir Starmer was right yet again! And so was I, yet you all said I was wrong. Such is life
Can you please tell me where Starmer said there would be a new variant affecting the SE and London in the run up to Christmas?
I mean, 3 days ago (when this strain was known) he said the government should reconsider the Christmas rules and Boris Johnson mocked him and said it would be 'inhuman' to do so.
Lockdown England now. Get the devolved administrations round a table and get something in place with their support as well. We need to stop messing around.
Lock at what boris said to his MPs before they approved the Tier system.
How can they ever trust anything he says again?
This virus is changing and as it changes policy has to change
This is a democratic country and massive infringements to our liberty like this cannot change without scrutiny and elections.
There is evidence this strain was identified in September. Viruses mutate and change all the time in every case.
Many Tory backbenchers will be livid especially those from London and the South East that Christmas has effectively been cancelled for their constituents with no parliamentary scrutiny
What an absolute pillock though going on the attack about only the Tories defending Christmas and Labour wanting to cancel it.
They knew about this new BORIS BUG a week ago. What a politically-dumb idiot.
That's not really accurate. They knew about the new strain before, but the CMO has just said that they only knew about the increased tranmissibility at the end of this week.
No doubt Boris ordered the creation of this new R+0.4 strain personally, the rotter. Has he no shame?
I don't think anyone is saying that. But given that it was detected in September and it was being flagged in November I think questions can be asked as to his actions since.
Churches were closed at Easter. That is the more religious of the two and services moved online. Do it again.
Well, I can't think what it is if it isn't pandering to the ERG and the like. It's not as if they were very worried aboout other religions before (e.g. Eid).
Love the way he goes from 'stay local' to 'don't travel abroad'.
Brexit fixed the travel abroad. After 1st Jan the EU will not be letting the British in. We will be an external country in a pandemic. Kiss your winter hols goodbye
Why anyone would plan ahead or book a foreign holiday in current circumstances is beyond me. I have a couple of ideas for next year but I'm not planning to make a decision until April.
No doubt Boris ordered the creation of this new R+0.4 strain personally, the rotter. Has he no shame?
No.
In answer to your implied question, the issue was letting the virus run rampant while foolishly making promises it wouldn’t matter for one particular date.
What an absolute pillock though going on the attack about only the Tories defending Christmas and Labour wanting to cancel it.
They knew about this new BORIS BUG a week ago. What a politically-dumb idiot.
That's not really accurate. They knew about the new strain before, but the CMO has just said that they only knew about the increased tranmissibility at the end of this week.
The problem with many is they do not want to listen to the CMO as it does not fit their agenda
Lock at what boris said to his MPs before they approved the Tier system.
How can they ever trust anything he says again?
This virus is changing and as it changes policy has to change
This is a democratic country and massive infringements to our liberty like this cannot change without scrutiny and elections.
There is evidence this strain was identified in September. Viruses mutate and change all the time in every case.
Many Tory backbenchers will be livid especially those from London and the South East that Christmas has effectively been cancelled for their constituents with no parliamentary scrutiny
If they are livid HYUFD they only have themselves to blame.
They are the incredibly stupid, stupid idiots who have allowed Johnson and SAGE to continue to play with the trainset.
Look where they are now
No decision on Brexit. No Xmas for their constituents. A shattered economy. Nothing on the horizon but redundancies, debt and higher taxes. New right wing parties snapping at their heels next year.
Lock at what boris said to his MPs before they approved the Tier system.
How can they ever trust anything he says again?
This virus is changing and as it changes policy has to change
This is a democratic country and massive infringements to our liberty like this cannot change without scrutiny and elections.
There is evidence this strain was identified in September. Viruses mutate and change all the time in every case.
Many Tory backbenchers will be livid especially those from London and the South East that Christmas has effectively been cancelled for their constituents with no parliamentary scrutiny
If they are livid HYUFD they only have themselves to blame.
They are the incredibly stupid, stupid idiots who have allowed Johnson and SAGE to continue to play with the trainset.
Look where they are now
No decision on Brexit. No Xmas for their constituents. A shattered economy. Nothing on the horizon but redundancies, debt and higher taxes. New right wing parties snapping at their heels next year.
Churches were closed at Easter. That is the more religious of the two and services moved online. Do it again.
Well, I can't think what it is if it isn't pandering to the ERG and the like. It's not as if they were very worried aboout other religions before (e.g. Eid).
Eid was less restricted than Easter.
But in the context of a less restrictive period anyway.
No doubt Boris ordered the creation of this new R+0.4 strain personally, the rotter. Has he no shame?
I don't think anyone is saying that. But given that it was detected in September and it was being flagged in November I think questions can be asked as to his actions since.
CMO stated it was only later this week they discovered just how serious this new strain is and hence their advice today
Honestly, Boris delivery once again dreadful. Sturgeon is going to cancel Christmas and demand the sacrifice of every first born and will seem more relatable, human and competent.
Where the fuck did communal worship come from. Does he think SCOTUS decisions are important here lol ?
Because a very large number of Tory voters enjoy Christmas services. Don’t overthink it beyond that.
Lock at what boris said to his MPs before they approved the Tier system.
How can they ever trust anything he says again?
This virus is changing and as it changes policy has to change
This is a democratic country and massive infringements to our liberty like this cannot change without scrutiny and elections.
There is evidence this strain was identified in September. Viruses mutate and change all the time in every case.
Many Tory backbenchers will be livid especially those from London and the South East that Christmas has effectively been cancelled for their constituents with no parliamentary scrutiny
If they are livid HYUFD they only have themselves to blame.
They are the incredibly stupid, stupid idiots who have allowed Johnson and SAGE to continue to play with the trainset.
Look where they are now
No decision on Brexit. No Xmas for their constituents. A shattered economy. Nothing on the horizon but redundancies, debt and higher taxes. New right wing parties snapping at their heels next year.
When are they going to f8cking act?
You need help. You’re off the deep end.
No mate. I am a highly paid executive in the financial services industry. I have actually prospered mightily in the lockdown but am furious about how it has affected businesses,
Going to keep an eye on the next PM in the near future. May be more laying opportunity (Sunak's 4.4. If people think the incumbent imbecile is not long for the job I'd expected that to decline noticeably).
Lock at what boris said to his MPs before they approved the Tier system.
How can they ever trust anything he says again?
This virus is changing and as it changes policy has to change
This is a democratic country and massive infringements to our liberty like this cannot change without scrutiny and elections.
There is evidence this strain was identified in September. Viruses mutate and change all the time in every case.
Many Tory backbenchers will be livid especially those from London and the South East that Christmas has effectively been cancelled for their constituents with no parliamentary scrutiny
If they are livid HYUFD they only have themselves to blame.
They are the incredibly stupid, stupid idiots who have allowed Johnson and SAGE to continue to play with the trainset.
Look where they are now
No decision on Brexit. No Xmas for their constituents. A shattered economy. Nothing on the horizon but redundancies, debt and higher taxes. New right wing parties snapping at their heels next year.
When are they going to f8cking act?
You need help. You’re off the deep end.
No mate. I am a highly paid executive in the financial services industry. I have actually prospered mightily in the lockdown but am furious about how it has affected businesses,
So go f8ck yourself.
A few weeks back you were praising the Swedish model and how we must follow that. Your methods kill people and result in many more deaths.
Lock at what boris said to his MPs before they approved the Tier system.
How can they ever trust anything he says again?
This virus is changing and as it changes policy has to change
This is a democratic country and massive infringements to our liberty like this cannot change without scrutiny and elections.
There is evidence this strain was identified in September. Viruses mutate and change all the time in every case.
Many Tory backbenchers will be livid especially those from London and the South East that Christmas has effectively been cancelled for their constituents with no parliamentary scrutiny
If they are livid HYUFD they only have themselves to blame.
They are the incredibly stupid, stupid idiots who have allowed Johnson and SAGE to continue to play with the trainset.
Look where they are now
No decision on Brexit. No Xmas for their constituents. A shattered economy. Nothing on the horizon but redundancies, debt and higher taxes. New right wing parties snapping at their heels next year.
When are they going to f8cking act?
The proposals as they were were perfectly sensible, Tier 3 for most of England, 3 households only allowed to mix at Christmas with isolation recommended for a week before then back to tiers.
These current proposals have now cancelled Christmas altogether, certainly in London and the SE, with no parliamentary scrutiny at all
No doubt Boris ordered the creation of this new R+0.4 strain personally, the rotter. Has he no shame?
I don't think anyone is saying that. But given that it was detected in September and it was being flagged in November I think questions can be asked as to his actions since.
CMO stated it was only later this week they discovered just how serious this new strain is and hence their advice today
Yes. They kept saying this was information they got yesterday.
R>0.4 surely means full national lockdown & schools closed?
Shirley?
If it adds 0.4 on then does even full lockdown keep R below 1?
Not sure, it's got to be 1 or just under. It would need a much better track/trace/isolate system to get under control than what we have. Hopefully we'll be able to beat it with the vaccine. It means the government will need to push the vaccine even harder in January than they are planning. There's no other way we will bring case numbers down.
This will be see the biggest anger amongst the Tory base since May cancelled Brexit last year
Will it? I know you have a great instinct for Tory opinion, but greater restrictions remain resolutely and surprisingly popular.
From observation people who think more restrictions are a good thing often seem to also think they have good reasons why the restrictions shouldn't be applying to them. We heard many of those reasons at times here such as "but I am sensible and avoid human contact when doing x unlike those that need restricting". It's sort of like surveys which report people are in favour of higher taxes where the unspoken part of the agreement is "for other people richer than me"
No doubt Boris ordered the creation of this new R+0.4 strain personally, the rotter. Has he no shame?
I don't think anyone is saying that. But given that it was detected in September and it was being flagged in November I think questions can be asked as to his actions since.
CMO stated it was only later this week they discovered just how serious this new strain is and hence their advice today
Yes. They kept saying this was information they got yesterday.
Is that convincing?
How long did they suspect and how long dide they need to wait for info that would persuade even Mr Johnson?
The unspoken implication is that "we thouight that all this rise in England and Kent and London was just down to our incompetent controls and crap communications and unhelpful proles but we were going to relax things anyway". Or am I missing something?
Johnson’s problem is he can’t resist trying to leave every statement with a positive view on the future. It was stupid to guarantee Christmas a few weeks ago, and he’s just done the same promising the vaccine will solve everything! What if it doesn’t,he will look a pillock yet again. Without these senseless projections he would be viewed as no worse than other European leaders.
What would be the reason for the letters? Some from Tory MPs furious about the increased lockdown, some from Tory MPs furious that he didn`t anticipate this sooner and lockdown earlier and harder. Such is Johnson`s bind.
This will be see the biggest anger amongst the Tory base since May cancelled Brexit last year
Will it? I know you have a great instinct for Tory opinion, but greater restrictions remain resolutely and surprisingly popular.
From observation people who think more restrictions are a good thing often seem to also think they have good reasons why the restrictions shouldn't be applying to them. We heard many of those reasons at times here such as "but I am sensible and avoid human contact when doing x unlike those that need restricting". It's sort of like surveys which report people are in favour of higher taxes where the unspoken part of the agreement is "for other people richer than me"
I favour higher taxes on people like me. That's why I would leave the unspoken part unspoken.
No doubt Boris ordered the creation of this new R+0.4 strain personally, the rotter. Has he no shame?
I don't think anyone is saying that. But given that it was detected in September and it was being flagged in November I think questions can be asked as to his actions since.
CMO stated it was only later this week they discovered just how serious this new strain is and hence their advice today
Yes. They kept saying this was information they got yesterday.
Is that convincing?
How long did they suspect and how long dide they need to wait for info that would persuade even Mr Johnson?
The unspoken implication is that "we thouight that all this rise in England and Kent and London was just down to our incompetent controls and crap communications and unhelpful proles but we were going to relax things anyway". Or am I missing something?
Who knows? South Wales has a similar R to Kent and the Southeast etc but doesn't seem to be getting spoken about as the new variant. Why is that there?
The rest only wanted current rules maintained, these rules go beyond current Tier 3 rules and create a new Tier 4 and effectively cancel Christmas altogether in London and the South East.
What would be the reason for the letters? Some from Tory MPs furious about the increased lockdown, some from Tory MPs furious that he didn`t anticipate this sooner and lockdown earlier and harder. Such is Johnson`s bind.
Well, getting intelligent and competent leadership that governs by need and evidence rather than soundbites and spite would be a bonus.
No doubt Boris ordered the creation of this new R+0.4 strain personally, the rotter. Has he no shame?
I don't think anyone is saying that. But given that it was detected in September and it was being flagged in November I think questions can be asked as to his actions since.
CMO stated it was only later this week they discovered just how serious this new strain is and hence their advice today
Really? The BMJ reported on Wednesday that as of 13 December, 1108 cases with this variant had been identified in the UK in nearly 60 different local authorities. Johnson's partisan rubbishing of Starmer at PMQ's on the same day (the 16th) came two days after Matt Hancock told Parliament (on the 14th) that initial analysis showed that the new variant “may be associated” with the recent rise in cases in southeast England.
So, the boffins were aware enough on Monday (at the latest) to warn the Cabinet about this, but Johnson insisted on using PMQs as a partisan forum to rubbish Starmer for wanting a lockdown only 48 hours later. Another 72 hours after that, and Lord knows how many transmissions, we get this announcement.
So given the risk profile was given, at the latest, to the Cabinet on Monday, why was Johnson giving it the bid "I am" to Starmer on Wednesday? Why was Johnson travelling up North from London to an Openreach site yesterday? Because campaigning is all he knows how to do. He can't govern.
One other problem is that if the variant is more tranmissible we will also need a higher, and ideally faster, uptake of the vaccines. I suspect we will be signing new orders imminently.
This will be see the biggest anger amongst the Tory base since May cancelled Brexit last year
Will it? I know you have a great instinct for Tory opinion, but greater restrictions remain resolutely and surprisingly popular.
From observation people who think more restrictions are a good thing often seem to also think they have good reasons why the restrictions shouldn't be applying to them. We heard many of those reasons at times here such as "but I am sensible and avoid human contact when doing x unlike those that need restricting". It's sort of like surveys which report people are in favour of higher taxes where the unspoken part of the agreement is "for other people richer than me"
I favour higher taxes on people like me. That's why I would leave the unspoken part unspoken.
I never claimed there werent people like you. Where did I exclude that. However it is true to say that a lot that answer yes they favour higher taxes have in mind taxes other people pay and not them. So it is with those who answer they favour tighter restrictions.
No doubt Boris ordered the creation of this new R+0.4 strain personally, the rotter. Has he no shame?
I don't think anyone is saying that. But given that it was detected in September and it was being flagged in November I think questions can be asked as to his actions since.
CMO stated it was only later this week they discovered just how serious this new strain is and hence their advice today
Yes. They kept saying this was information they got yesterday.
Is that convincing?
How long did they suspect and how long dide they need to wait for info that would persuade even Mr Johnson?
The unspoken implication is that "we thouight that all this rise in England and Kent and London was just down to our incompetent controls and crap communications and unhelpful proles but we were going to relax things anyway". Or am I missing something?
Who knows? South Wales has a similar R to Kent and the Southeast etc but doesn't seem to be getting spoken about as the new variant. Why is that there?
A good point. Which makes it all the more confusing.
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They knew about this new BORIS BUG a week ago. What a politically-dumb idiot.
2.0 didn’t get r down as hoped for the shopping splurge and 5 days Christmas mayhem to go as hoped, government were under pressure it needed clever politics and they managed to u turn to the correct place to be.
Give them a clap, 👏🏻.
There is evidence this strain was identified in September. Viruses mutate and change all the time in every case.
R>0.4 surely means full national lockdown & schools closed?
Shirley?
We have the Festivus pole; the airing of the grievances; the feats of strength.
Everyone is invited.
In answer to your implied question, the issue was letting the virus run rampant while foolishly making promises it wouldn’t matter for one particular date.
1. Most "Leave" voters are older
2. Covid is more deadly for older voters
Therefore....
The EU/Remainers must have invented Covid to wipe out Leavers to swing another referendum...
They are the incredibly stupid, stupid idiots who have allowed Johnson and SAGE to continue to play with the trainset.
Look where they are now
No decision on Brexit.
No Xmas for their constituents.
A shattered economy.
Nothing on the horizon but redundancies, debt and higher taxes.
New right wing parties snapping at their heels next year.
When are they going to f8cking act?
Tier 5 would surely be March style lockdown?
So go f8ck yourself.
So no I won’t go fuck myself thank you.
These current proposals have now cancelled Christmas altogether, certainly in London and the SE, with no parliamentary scrutiny at all
Rather have you in charge. Or your doppelganger - Julius Caesar.
How long did they suspect and how long dide they need to wait for info that would persuade even Mr Johnson?
The unspoken implication is that "we thouight that all this rise in England and Kent and London was just down to our incompetent controls and crap communications and unhelpful proles but we were going to relax things anyway". Or am I missing something?
He just can't help serving helpings of hostages to fortune.
Professional sport was allowed in November.
Tier 5 presumably would be March style and would close sport.
60% of new infections are due to this strain in tier 4
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1338876584556720133?s=20
The rest only wanted current rules maintained, these rules go beyond current Tier 3 rules and create a new Tier 4 and effectively cancel Christmas altogether in London and the South East.
I think that was the point, rather than banning sport per se.
So, the boffins were aware enough on Monday (at the latest) to warn the Cabinet about this, but Johnson insisted on using PMQs as a partisan forum to rubbish Starmer for wanting a lockdown only 48 hours later. Another 72 hours after that, and Lord knows how many transmissions, we get this announcement.
So given the risk profile was given, at the latest, to the Cabinet on Monday, why was Johnson giving it the bid "I am" to Starmer on Wednesday? Why was Johnson travelling up North from London to an Openreach site yesterday? Because campaigning is all he knows how to do. He can't govern.
Chat with wife later.
And rather less of anyone making sensible suggestions.
It looks to me that they've taken the sensible steps.
So what to the rule of law
So what to government by democracy and not fiat.
'its a national emergency we can't go through the usual norms' said every despot in history, ever
Philip your love in with everything Johnson does or says is fine but don’t come in here and act like you’re impartial.