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  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    I know its a Monday but 15450 cases reported is the lowest for quite a while.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,669
    edited November 2020
    206 deaths yesterday is a clear sign we should all be in tier 1 once the national lockdown ends.

    (Sorry Malmesbury.)
  • IanB2 said:

    Imagine choosing not to repay the national debt....

    https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1330812949498388480

    That's almost exactly the extra tax Thompson of this parish was prepared to pay so that Biden could be president?
    Sorry what?

    That Murphy is an idiot. Not a single person to my knowledge is saying we need to repay the debt. We don't. What we do need to do is ensure we aren't running a deficit during growth times and fix the deficit during growth years.

    Deficit not debt. Learn the difference. Stupid dolt!

    Repaying the debt would entail an eyewatering budget surplus for decades. Never going to happen.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,669
    edited November 2020
    The one thing that really scares me about the vaccine.

    Dido Harding is going to be in charge of the rollout isn't she?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    edited November 2020

    Imagine choosing not to repay the national debt....

    https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1330812949498388480

    ISTR he was a big supporter of Hugo Chavez and the Venezuelan criminal cabal socialist experiment.

    I can't help but wonder whether we might end by going the same way.

    In fact, arguably we're in a worse mess than they were economically. After all, we don't have the world's largest oil reserves to fall back on.

    That's said, Johnson's pretty useless but he hasn't launched a military coup, rigged multiple elections or embezzled literally billions from the Treasury.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,080
    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    Shagger says that the 2nd tiering system wasn't good enough. As Whitty advised him at the time. So now we have a 3rd tiering system. Which as it will be largely suspended for Christmas will itself not be good enough by January...

    Your use of ‘Shagger’ as a pejorative term baffles me. How many blokes would resent it?!
    Whatever. Why don't we skip the fancy names (Shagger, Captain Hindsight, etc etc) , if only to avoid baffling new readers? It makes us look cliquey (the reports that Cummings and associates had a funny name for everyone is a good example)..
    FPT Is 'Shagger' not universal, then? I've had friends in emails which have nothing to do with politics come out with such things as "Eat an icecream for Bozo" (admittedly in that case when being sarcastic about the flood fo summer visitors which Mr Johnson had released to my friend's West Country home).
    Invective isn´t what it used to be...

    Denis Healey become involved in a blazing row on the floor of the house with hard-left MPs. “What happened is that one of them cast doubt on my paternity so I praised his virility,” said Healey with masterly understatement. In fact, the leftwing MPs called Healey “a Stalinist bastard” and Healey yelled at them repeatedly, “You fuckers, you’re out of your tiny Chinese minds.”
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,883

    The one thing that really scares me about the vaccine.

    Dido Harding is going to be in charge of the rollout.

    Well, it's not Mr Grayling. Though Ms Harding might still get a pizza company to deliver it.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,877

    The one thing that really scares me about the vaccine.

    Dido Harding is going to be in charge of the rollout isn't she?

    She is without doubt the anti Midas
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,883
    IshmaelZ said:
    Too early. 7 years I believe, so about 6 and a bit to go.
  • I've never really looked at the Senate seal carefully before. The fasces gives one pause for thought.

    I particularly like the dunce cap at the top. Red dunce cap, no less ;)
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited November 2020
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    LadyG said:

    These proposals, and the way they are being phrased, are very, very bad for the conservatives.

    Next May? I dread to think. I really do.

    No, it really isn't that bad. These vaccines will be rolling out, and into human arms, probably before Xmas. The vulnerable, key workers and possible super spreaders will get the first. Millions will be pumped through Jan, Feb.

    You will start to see a fall in R and infections, hospitalisations, deaths, etc, really quite quickly, as the virus is cornered. This means lots of regions will see an easement in the restrictions after Xmas. Those in Tier 3 (no pubs) should quite swiftly descend to Tier 2. And so on.

    It's gonna be a tough winter but it will get noticeably better as the evenings brighten.
    Exactly. And it's nearly Dec now. 2021 before you know it, then a few short weeks and you've got March on the horizon. And once March is here it's more or less Easter, Easter being the gateway to early summer, then summer proper and close to 100% normality for all those who want normality back. This is over.
    Just in time for them to panic about about novel bunyavirus.

    That is my problem with all this, that there will now be a massive over reaction to each new virus just in case its another covid. All western governments are going to I suspect take premature precautions just in case
    There's definitely a danger that governments are going to tend towards heavy-handed responses to new infectious diseases for the next couple of decades, but on the other hand this particular trauma should give both pandemic preparedness and investment in immunological research the kind of rocket boost that would have taken decades to achieve otherwise. Maybe those advances will give us the tools to defeat more serious pandemics in the future that would have wrecked us had we not passed through the Covid gauntlet first.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    IshmaelZ said:
    It's trying to scrape together four guinea pigs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,133
    edited November 2020
    The latest polling suggests the GOP will hold the Georgia Senate seats in the run off and I agree.

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1329255402157043713?s=20

    Biden was not elected on the back of a Democratic landslide to sweep the US to the left, he was elected purely to beat Trump and Georgia swing voters having voted Biden to beat the incumbent President will now vote GOP to ensure the woke, far left does not get too much power and the Senate stays GOP.

    Hence Biden will be the first incoming President not to take office with his party in control of both chambers of Congress since Bush Snr in 1989. That would be about right, US voters want him to compromise with the GOP and to reduce the polarisation
  • https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1330917647731535873

    Honestly I haven't felt this much love for an MP since Dave and George were MPs.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,459
    IshmaelZ said:
    I believe it needs three years and a bung, sorry 'administrative fee' for that...
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    HYUFD said:

    The latest polling suggests the GOP will hold the Georgia Senate seats in the run off and I agree.

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1329255402157043713?s=20

    Biden was not elected on the back of a Democratic landslide to sweep the US to the left, he was elected purely to beat Trump and Georgia swing voters having voted Biden to beat the incumbent President will now vote GOP to ensure the woke, far left does not get too much power and the Senate stays GOP.

    Hence Biden will be the first incoming President not to take office with his party in control of both chambers of Congress since Bush Snr in 1989. That would be about right, US voters want him to compromise with the GOP and to reduce the polarisation

    Warnock is taking a lot of flak for his comment that you cannot serve both God and the military and that (together with the domestic abuse allegations) may make it a step too far.

    I think Perdue - Ossoff will be closer but, even there, Perdue outperformed Trump which suggests a degree of ballot splitting, which will probably get him over the line.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Carnyx said:

    IshmaelZ said:
    Too early. 7 years I believe, so about 6 and a bit to go.
    Depends whether it has paid its £25
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited November 2020

    IanB2 said:

    Imagine choosing not to repay the national debt....

    https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1330812949498388480

    That's almost exactly the extra tax Thompson of this parish was prepared to pay so that Biden could be president?
    Sorry what?

    That Murphy is an idiot. Not a single person to my knowledge is saying we need to repay the debt. We don't. What we do need to do is ensure we aren't running a deficit during growth times and fix the deficit during growth years.

    Deficit not debt. Learn the difference. Stupid dolt!

    Repaying the debt would entail an eyewatering budget surplus for decades. Never going to happen.
    I was remembering the email the Trump campaign sent you warning of the extra $2 Trillion in tax you'd have to pay if you voted for Biden. As I recall you were remarkably relaxed about the bill coming your way.

    True, I slipped $ into £ when it comes to paying off the debt, but still.
  • So captain hindsight says tiers are rubbish, government need to again negotiation with every council, but must not waste anytime announcing which tier each place is in and also announcement straight away how long they will be in that for...

    Thanks for that.

    He's right about the effective abandonment of track and isolate.
    The reality is track and trace doesn't work anywhere. Germant don't get 75% of cases. Government oversold this as some miracle system to save us all.
    I was surprised to read that Germany's test and trace is missing 75% of cases
    That would be quite disheartening indeed, but that is not the case. What the RKI stated a month ago was that, at that point of time, they could only find the source of infection in 25% of new cases (down from >50%), due to the rise in new cases. Those numbers are reported to be back to 40% currently.

    The more important point of contract tracing is of course tracing the contacts of the newly identified cases, who could potentially have been infected by these new cases and therefor should be tested. The identification of the source of infection of new cases is useful as well, but considered to be secondary.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,463
    Cicero said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    Shagger says that the 2nd tiering system wasn't good enough. As Whitty advised him at the time. So now we have a 3rd tiering system. Which as it will be largely suspended for Christmas will itself not be good enough by January...

    Your use of ‘Shagger’ as a pejorative term baffles me. How many blokes would resent it?!
    Whatever. Why don't we skip the fancy names (Shagger, Captain Hindsight, etc etc) , if only to avoid baffling new readers? It makes us look cliquey (the reports that Cummings and associates had a funny name for everyone is a good example)..
    FPT Is 'Shagger' not universal, then? I've had friends in emails which have nothing to do with politics come out with such things as "Eat an icecream for Bozo" (admittedly in that case when being sarcastic about the flood fo summer visitors which Mr Johnson had released to my friend's West Country home).
    Invective isn´t what it used to be...

    Denis Healey become involved in a blazing row on the floor of the house with hard-left MPs. “What happened is that one of them cast doubt on my paternity so I praised his virility,” said Healey with masterly understatement. In fact, the leftwing MPs called Healey “a Stalinist bastard” and Healey yelled at them repeatedly, “You fuckers, you’re out of your tiny Chinese minds.”
    Afternoon all. Who among us oldies can forget Michael Foot's description of Norman Tebbitt as a 'semi-house-trained polecat'?
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    ydoethur said:

    Imagine choosing not to repay the national debt....

    https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1330812949498388480

    ISTR he was a big supporter of Hugo Chavez and the Venezuelan criminal cabal socialist experiment.

    I can't help but wonder whether we might end by going the same way.

    In fact, arguably we're in a worse mess than they were economically. After all, we don't have the world's largest oil reserves to fall back on.

    That's said, Johnson's pretty useless but he hasn't launched a military coup, rigged multiple elections or embezzled literally billions from the Treasury.
    It's the old Modern Monetary Theory argument - you print your own money, you can't go bankrupt.

    Which might (technically) be true but try paying your interest.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    IshmaelZ said:
    It needs to stay out of prison for three years, yet. And pay the fee for the extra certificate.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,895
    Inevitable given the strength of the current lockdown the number of cases would start to fall off as we went past the 14-day period since its inception.

    Unfortunately, some will jump on this and say everything should be opened up again for Christmas and we'll be right back on the treadmill of rising case numbers leading to a new panic and a new lockdown.

    We also only have a figure of people testing as positive - that excludes those who have got the virus and simply stayed at home and never got tested.

    Like almost every other statistic, it gets put into a graph or a spreadsheet, weaponised to make a point and yet it's only half a truth at best. Unfortunately, the entire public policy debate and agenda is being predicated on half-truths which is why we get nowhere slowly.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Boris manage to sneak £350m in, actually emphasised it. I wonder if that was a little joke?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    MrEd said:

    ydoethur said:

    Imagine choosing not to repay the national debt....

    https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1330812949498388480

    ISTR he was a big supporter of Hugo Chavez and the Venezuelan criminal cabal socialist experiment.

    I can't help but wonder whether we might end by going the same way.

    In fact, arguably we're in a worse mess than they were economically. After all, we don't have the world's largest oil reserves to fall back on.

    That's said, Johnson's pretty useless but he hasn't launched a military coup, rigged multiple elections or embezzled literally billions from the Treasury.
    It's the old Modern Monetary Theory argument - you print your own money, you can't go bankrupt.

    Which might (technically) be true but try paying your interest.
    I also seem to remember that Germany tried that once, and it wasn’t exactly a resounding success.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    Roy_G_Biv said:

    I've never really looked at the Senate seal carefully before. The fasces gives one pause for thought.

    I particularly like the dunce cap at the top. Red dunce cap, no less ;)

    Tsk, does no one learn about Enlightenment-era republican symbology any more? Prior to Mussolini hijacking them, fasces symbolized republicanism, or maybe even more broadly civic virtue (they appear in some monarchical contexts e.g. in the insignia of the Spanish Guardia Civil). They do appear in several Latin American national emblems, including Cuba's, and in many other contexts in the US, such as behind the Speaker's podium in the House of Representatives.

    The cap is the Phyrgian "cap of liberty", given in Roman times to emancipated slaves on their manumission, and later became adopted as a symbol of liberty during the American and French Revolutions.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,388

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1330917647731535873

    Honestly I haven't felt this much love for an MP since Dave and George were MPs.

    Yes, it's a good thread. People go on about the BBC, but the Daily Mail's coverage has been an absolute disgrace for a couple of months now. Headlines are often full-scale Covid denial, not far off conspiracy level; they told us that things were improving when they clearly weren't; that we are prisoners in our own homes; and they demand that we should be snogging everybody we can under the mistletoe at Xmas. Eventually you reach a report that mentions another 500 dead or whatever.

    Although an opponent of the government, I think today's announcements are broadly sensible. I fear they may be undone by a too-liberal release at Xmas resulting in a large death spike at the end of January. But on the right lines.

    It seems to me that this second wave is just as bad as the first, except that deaths are lower (around half?) mainly because of a) improved treatments and b) improved protection of care homes.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1330917647731535873

    Honestly I haven't felt this much love for an MP since Dave and George were MPs.

    Yes, it's a good thread. People go on about the BBC, but the Daily Mail's coverage has been an absolute disgrace for a couple of months since 1896.
    FTFY :smiley:
  • Senator Rob Portman of Ohio on Monday said there was “no evidence as of now of any widespread fraud or irregularities that would change the result” of the presidential election, becoming the latest Republican lawmaker to break with President Trump and call for the transition process to move forward.

    NYTimes blog
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,388
    ydoethur said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1330917647731535873

    Honestly I haven't felt this much love for an MP since Dave and George were MPs.

    Yes, it's a good thread. People go on about the BBC, but the Daily Mail's coverage has been an absolute disgrace for a couple of months since 1896.
    FTFY :smiley:
    Thanks! I was referring specifically to Covid coverage which, although it may feel like it has, hasn't been going on since 1896. But on the general point of course you're right.
  • rpjs said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    I've never really looked at the Senate seal carefully before. The fasces gives one pause for thought.

    I particularly like the dunce cap at the top. Red dunce cap, no less ;)

    Tsk, does no one learn about Enlightenment-era republican symbology any more? Prior to Mussolini hijacking them, fasces symbolized republicanism, or maybe even more broadly civic virtue (they appear in some monarchical contexts e.g. in the insignia of the Spanish Guardia Civil). They do appear in several Latin American national emblems, including Cuba's, and in many other contexts in the US, such as behind the Speaker's podium in the House of Representatives.

    The cap is the Phyrgian "cap of liberty", given in Roman times to emancipated slaves on their manumission, and later became adopted as a symbol of liberty during the American and French Revolutions.
    Thanks, but I already knew what the symbols meant. My post was largely a subtweet of turtledick Mitch, the dunce at the top of the Senate, and the faint stink of fascism around the Republican Party right now. I was trying to keep it low key because they aren't so far gone to deserve an overt comparison. Yet.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited November 2020
    Cicero said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    Shagger says that the 2nd tiering system wasn't good enough. As Whitty advised him at the time. So now we have a 3rd tiering system. Which as it will be largely suspended for Christmas will itself not be good enough by January...

    Your use of ‘Shagger’ as a pejorative term baffles me. How many blokes would resent it?!
    Whatever. Why don't we skip the fancy names (Shagger, Captain Hindsight, etc etc) , if only to avoid baffling new readers? It makes us look cliquey (the reports that Cummings and associates had a funny name for everyone is a good example)..
    FPT Is 'Shagger' not universal, then? I've had friends in emails which have nothing to do with politics come out with such things as "Eat an icecream for Bozo" (admittedly in that case when being sarcastic about the flood fo summer visitors which Mr Johnson had released to my friend's West Country home).
    Invective isn´t what it used to be...

    Denis Healey become involved in a blazing row on the floor of the house with hard-left MPs. “What happened is that one of them cast doubt on my paternity so I praised his virility,” said Healey with masterly understatement. In fact, the leftwing MPs called Healey “a Stalinist bastard” and Healey yelled at them repeatedly, “You fuckers, you’re out of your tiny Chinese minds.”
    Why would the Speaker have allowed that? Surely there would be repercussions if an MP stood up in the House and called Johnson a c*nt!
  • https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1330917647731535873

    Honestly I haven't felt this much love for an MP since Dave and George were MPs.

    Yes, it's a good thread. People go on about the BBC, but the Daily Mail's coverage has been an absolute disgrace for a couple of months now. Headlines are often full-scale Covid denial, not far off conspiracy level; they told us that things were improving when they clearly weren't; that we are prisoners in our own homes; and they demand that we should be snogging everybody we can under the mistletoe at Xmas. Eventually you reach a report that mentions another 500 dead or whatever.

    Although an opponent of the government, I think today's announcements are broadly sensible. I fear they may be undone by a too-liberal release at Xmas resulting in a large death spike at the end of January. But on the right lines.

    It seems to me that this second wave is just as bad as the first, except that deaths are lower (around half?) mainly because of a) improved treatments and b) improved protection of care homes.
    Also, the government pressed the button sooner. Peak daily cases were probably about 50k, instead of 100k.
  • nico679 said:

    Biden’s new Secretary of State on French tv explaining how important US EU relations are. He speaks fluent French as he spent many years in Paris .

    In other news German press are reporting Nissan will close its UK factory , oh well at least the Sunderland folk can wave their new blue passports and sing Rule Brittania on their way to the job centre! Don’t expect any sympathy from Remainers , you wanted a good hard Brexit , enjoy it !

    New Nissan Qashqai to be built at Sunderland plant - 13th Nov 2020
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-54931105

    Changes their mind in a week?
    It doesn't have to be. I've seen test cars round here so the factory is already geared up to transition to this next generation car. Doesn't mean it will continue to be made there, just that its going to start there.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited November 2020
    Much more fun with the changes:

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1330924626189447170

    Lib Dem surge, riven Labour on the slide, no one gives a toss about BXP/Reform/PlagueNow...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,480
    rpjs said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    I've never really looked at the Senate seal carefully before. The fasces gives one pause for thought.

    I particularly like the dunce cap at the top. Red dunce cap, no less ;)

    Tsk, does no one learn about Enlightenment-era republican symbology any more? Prior to Mussolini hijacking them, fasces symbolized republicanism, or maybe even more broadly civic virtue (they appear in some monarchical contexts e.g. in the insignia of the Spanish Guardia Civil). They do appear in several Latin American national emblems, including Cuba's, and in many other contexts in the US, such as behind the Speaker's podium in the House of Representatives.

    The cap is the Phyrgian "cap of liberty", given in Roman times to emancipated slaves on their manumission, and later became adopted as a symbol of liberty during the American and French Revolutions.
    Hello - referring to a thread yesterday, I am semi-interested in farming, particularly livestock, and I wondered if you had some reasons why American beef is superior to British? I'm not arguing that it isn't (never had American beef to my knowledge), just interested.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,398
    ydoethur said:

    MrEd said:

    ydoethur said:

    Imagine choosing not to repay the national debt....

    https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1330812949498388480

    ISTR he was a big supporter of Hugo Chavez and the Venezuelan criminal cabal socialist experiment.

    I can't help but wonder whether we might end by going the same way.

    In fact, arguably we're in a worse mess than they were economically. After all, we don't have the world's largest oil reserves to fall back on.

    That's said, Johnson's pretty useless but he hasn't launched a military coup, rigged multiple elections or embezzled literally billions from the Treasury.
    It's the old Modern Monetary Theory argument - you print your own money, you can't go bankrupt.

    Which might (technically) be true but try paying your interest.
    I also seem to remember that Germany tried that once, and it wasn’t exactly a resounding success.
    The entire point of Modern Monetary Theory is that it works up to a point.

    Fiat currency is always a magic act though - it only works until the confidence disappears.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    SNP on 6% suggests a very high Scottish vote share.
  • justin124 said:

    Cicero said:

    Carnyx said:

    isam said:

    Shagger says that the 2nd tiering system wasn't good enough. As Whitty advised him at the time. So now we have a 3rd tiering system. Which as it will be largely suspended for Christmas will itself not be good enough by January...

    Your use of ‘Shagger’ as a pejorative term baffles me. How many blokes would resent it?!
    Whatever. Why don't we skip the fancy names (Shagger, Captain Hindsight, etc etc) , if only to avoid baffling new readers? It makes us look cliquey (the reports that Cummings and associates had a funny name for everyone is a good example)..
    FPT Is 'Shagger' not universal, then? I've had friends in emails which have nothing to do with politics come out with such things as "Eat an icecream for Bozo" (admittedly in that case when being sarcastic about the flood fo summer visitors which Mr Johnson had released to my friend's West Country home).
    Invective isn´t what it used to be...

    Denis Healey become involved in a blazing row on the floor of the house with hard-left MPs. “What happened is that one of them cast doubt on my paternity so I praised his virility,” said Healey with masterly understatement. In fact, the leftwing MPs called Healey “a Stalinist bastard” and Healey yelled at them repeatedly, “You fuckers, you’re out of your tiny Chinese minds.”
    Why would the Speaker have allowed that? Surely there would be repercussions if an MP stood up in the House and called Johnson a c*nt!
    Because Speaker Thomas agreed with Healey's sentiments.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    Blimey, people really lose their minds every time there's an announcement about a vaccine, don't they?
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    rpjs said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    I've never really looked at the Senate seal carefully before. The fasces gives one pause for thought.

    I particularly like the dunce cap at the top. Red dunce cap, no less ;)

    Tsk, does no one learn about Enlightenment-era republican symbology any more? Prior to Mussolini hijacking them, fasces symbolized republicanism, or maybe even more broadly civic virtue (they appear in some monarchical contexts e.g. in the insignia of the Spanish Guardia Civil). They do appear in several Latin American national emblems, including Cuba's, and in many other contexts in the US, such as behind the Speaker's podium in the House of Representatives.

    The cap is the Phyrgian "cap of liberty", given in Roman times to emancipated slaves on their manumission, and later became adopted as a symbol of liberty during the American and French Revolutions.
    Hello - referring to a thread yesterday, I am semi-interested in farming, particularly livestock, and I wondered if you had some reasons why American beef is superior to British? I'm not arguing that it isn't (never had American beef to my knowledge), just interested.
    No idea really. Premium beef here is often marketed as "grass-fed". I had always assumed that cows only ate grass anyway, but perhaps not. I don't recall ever seeing that phrase in the UK, but I left nearly a decade ago now so my memory may be faulty.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,602
    The BBC will later add that because of its second tier performance versus its competitors, it was actually Oxford Poly....
  • SNP on 6% suggests a very high Scottish vote share.

    Weight sample size 146. Ignore and wait for a Scotland-only poll.
  • eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    MrEd said:

    ydoethur said:

    Imagine choosing not to repay the national debt....

    https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1330812949498388480

    ISTR he was a big supporter of Hugo Chavez and the Venezuelan criminal cabal socialist experiment.

    I can't help but wonder whether we might end by going the same way.

    In fact, arguably we're in a worse mess than they were economically. After all, we don't have the world's largest oil reserves to fall back on.

    That's said, Johnson's pretty useless but he hasn't launched a military coup, rigged multiple elections or embezzled literally billions from the Treasury.
    It's the old Modern Monetary Theory argument - you print your own money, you can't go bankrupt.

    Which might (technically) be true but try paying your interest.
    I also seem to remember that Germany tried that once, and it wasn’t exactly a resounding success.
    The entire point of Modern Monetary Theory is that it works up to a point.

    Fiat currency is always a magic act though - it only works until the confidence disappears.
    Less risky if every country does it at the same time. Then it represents a concerted effort to tax the unborn.
  • IanB2 said:

    LadyG said:

    IanB2 said:

    LadyG said:

    So. London. Tier 2 or Tier 3?

    *prays*

    I was wondering why the story about North Kent now being the worst hotspot in the country got such prominence on the lunchtime news. Then I remembered that the new tiers we will return to on 2 December are due to be announced by the clown this Thursday. Clearly we are looking at a rather different geography from last time.
    Much of northern England looks doomed to Tier 3. South Wales, maybe chunks of central Scotland. Kent is bad.

    The only really dodgy borough in London is Havering (why?!?)

    If they close down the entire hospitality industry in our capital city, through Christmas, because of..... Havering.... then, well, fuck that shit
    Why London doesn't cede Havering to Essex, I don't know. They deserve each other, and always did.
    It was in Essex until April 1965 of course and still has an Essex postcode. I was born in Ilford in January 1965 (Redbridge rather than Havering) so can claim to be an Essex Boy or a Londoner as it suits me.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    Senator Patrick J. Toomey, Republican of Pennsylvania, told CNBC that while he had backed the president and had supported his right to pursue legal challenges, “the idea that a sitting president would try to, I don’t know, pressure, cajole, persuade state legislators to dismiss the will of their voters” was “completely inconsistent with any kind of truly democratic society.”

    NYTimes

    And it was so hard to see it coming if you backed his flimsy challenges earlier, eh Senator?
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Germany's issue was that its repayments to the Allies were in pre-WWI Gold Marks, which were fixed so depreciation of the currency made no difference whatsoever.

    However, it did wipe out domestic War Bond holdings, thus wiping out the savings of many middle class (and patriotic) Germans.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,883

    SNP on 6% suggests a very high Scottish vote share.

    Rounding, I'd assume - usually 5% but sometimes 4 or 6. Even 5% implies a hefty share, anyway, with Scotland only about 8.5% of the UK population. But subsamples, subsamples ...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,480
    rpjs said:

    rpjs said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    I've never really looked at the Senate seal carefully before. The fasces gives one pause for thought.

    I particularly like the dunce cap at the top. Red dunce cap, no less ;)

    Tsk, does no one learn about Enlightenment-era republican symbology any more? Prior to Mussolini hijacking them, fasces symbolized republicanism, or maybe even more broadly civic virtue (they appear in some monarchical contexts e.g. in the insignia of the Spanish Guardia Civil). They do appear in several Latin American national emblems, including Cuba's, and in many other contexts in the US, such as behind the Speaker's podium in the House of Representatives.

    The cap is the Phyrgian "cap of liberty", given in Roman times to emancipated slaves on their manumission, and later became adopted as a symbol of liberty during the American and French Revolutions.
    Hello - referring to a thread yesterday, I am semi-interested in farming, particularly livestock, and I wondered if you had some reasons why American beef is superior to British? I'm not arguing that it isn't (never had American beef to my knowledge), just interested.
    No idea really. Premium beef here is often marketed as "grass-fed". I had always assumed that cows only ate grass anyway, but perhaps not. I don't recall ever seeing that phrase in the UK, but I left nearly a decade ago now so my memory may be faulty.
    No, they get quite a lot of hay in the Winter (does that count as dried-grass? :wink: ) and often grain-based feed. Grass-fed is best of course. I believe Grass-fed beef is widely available in the UK, but perhaps less is 'made of it' than designations like 'Organic'. Probably wrongly, as with organic, you can still use feed that isn't grass (or indeed particularly nutritious) as long as it's organic.

    Perhaps you're just eating a better class of cow than you used to 10 years ago...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    Utterly OT and haven't checked the detail, but a major leak indicates Dragon's Dogma 2 is pencilled in for 2022.

    If it does justice to the original that could be excellent. Provided it isn't like the not-sequel that was pointlessly online.

    10 years on from the first, that's a big old gap.

    I only care about when Dragon Age 4 is coming out.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,364
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    stodge said:


    As I understand pubs that serve food can remain open though not in the highest tier

    Assuming London is in Tier 2 , my local cafe can fully re-open on the 2nd which will be good news for them. I don't care a lot about Spoons to be honest but the food isn't too bad. I confess a pub for me is a way to sit, read my Racing Post and have something to eat but I prefer the ambience of the cafe - the food is better and the old men a shade grumpier.
    The food in Spoons is dire.

    Spend your money in a decent pub!
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  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited November 2020
    rpjs said:

    rpjs said:

    Roy_G_Biv said:

    I've never really looked at the Senate seal carefully before. The fasces gives one pause for thought.

    I particularly like the dunce cap at the top. Red dunce cap, no less ;)

    Tsk, does no one learn about Enlightenment-era republican symbology any more? Prior to Mussolini hijacking them, fasces symbolized republicanism, or maybe even more broadly civic virtue (they appear in some monarchical contexts e.g. in the insignia of the Spanish Guardia Civil). They do appear in several Latin American national emblems, including Cuba's, and in many other contexts in the US, such as behind the Speaker's podium in the House of Representatives.

    The cap is the Phyrgian "cap of liberty", given in Roman times to emancipated slaves on their manumission, and later became adopted as a symbol of liberty during the American and French Revolutions.
    Hello - referring to a thread yesterday, I am semi-interested in farming, particularly livestock, and I wondered if you had some reasons why American beef is superior to British? I'm not arguing that it isn't (never had American beef to my knowledge), just interested.
    No idea really. Premium beef here is often marketed as "grass-fed". I had always assumed that cows only ate grass anyway, but perhaps not. I don't recall ever seeing that phrase in the UK, but I left nearly a decade ago now so my memory may be faulty.
    In the US most cattle are fed on soya and grain. That makes the meat fattier and more unhealthy.

    I agree with you about the very best US beef, though. The best steaks I've ever had have been fancy USDA-aged beef. In an upmarket steak restaurant, go for the longest-aged available.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    I see Lab are off three pts in the latest poll. Not that any poll that is not the General Election particularly matters and one a few years out matters still less but I wonder at what point Lab will be able to stop and oppose the govt.

    The Cons will spin everything for the next three years as Covid- or Brexit-related and SKS has slightly got Lab into a Stockholm Syndrome position whereby they are voting with the govt on both Brexit (once a deal is put before parliament and I presume to avoid no deal) and Covid, and hence they have ceded to the govt the initiative in handling these two issues.

    Not an easy habit to break.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,720
    Sunderland - going, going, ghosn!
    Seriously, it's no joke but I think it's no more than another prod for a deal, just as Carlos tried it on with May early in the proceeding back then in pre-history. When (if) no-deal comes to pass and the £ adjusts that plant will still be just as efficient and ready to tool up for all electric as required here by 2030. And the Nissan management know that.
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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,480
    Pagan2 said:

    The one thing that really scares me about the vaccine.

    Dido Harding is going to be in charge of the rollout isn't she?

    She is without doubt the anti Midas
    The Didas touch. Everything she touches turns to pinchbeck.
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  • eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    MrEd said:

    ydoethur said:

    Imagine choosing not to repay the national debt....

    https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1330812949498388480

    ISTR he was a big supporter of Hugo Chavez and the Venezuelan criminal cabal socialist experiment.

    I can't help but wonder whether we might end by going the same way.

    In fact, arguably we're in a worse mess than they were economically. After all, we don't have the world's largest oil reserves to fall back on.

    That's said, Johnson's pretty useless but he hasn't launched a military coup, rigged multiple elections or embezzled literally billions from the Treasury.
    It's the old Modern Monetary Theory argument - you print your own money, you can't go bankrupt.

    Which might (technically) be true but try paying your interest.
    I also seem to remember that Germany tried that once, and it wasn’t exactly a resounding success.
    The entire point of Modern Monetary Theory is that it works up to a point.

    Fiat currency is always a magic act though - it only works until the confidence disappears.
    Indeed, it is deliberately misinterpreted by both those on the left who want govt spending to be extremely high, and those who want to criticise those on the left. The UK and US govts and central banks are clearly heavily influenced by MMT.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    The vaccine also patiently explains that its efficacy score only appears lower because a mark of 70 at Oxford is equivalent to 90 at other institutions...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,883
    https://www.which.co.uk/news/2020/11/do-you-need-a-good-credit-score-to-get-a-covid-19-home-test/?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=4028445-M_MW_EM_231120

    Seems that the UK Gmt outsourcing has ended up meaning that some folk are turned down for home testing for the pox because of financial credit scoring.
  • What an absolute thicko Ian Blackford is.

    https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/status/1330918524093665280

    The chap has been living in Scotland in the North of Scotland since September.
  • IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Imagine choosing not to repay the national debt....

    https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1330812949498388480

    That's almost exactly the extra tax Thompson of this parish was prepared to pay so that Biden could be president?
    Sorry what?

    That Murphy is an idiot. Not a single person to my knowledge is saying we need to repay the debt. We don't. What we do need to do is ensure we aren't running a deficit during growth times and fix the deficit during growth years.

    Deficit not debt. Learn the difference. Stupid dolt!

    Repaying the debt would entail an eyewatering budget surplus for decades. Never going to happen.
    I was remembering the email the Trump campaign sent you warning of the extra $2 Trillion in tax you'd have to pay if you voted for Biden. As I recall you were remarkably relaxed about the bill coming your way.

    True, I slipped $ into £ when it comes to paying off the debt, but still.
    Oh right LOL, I didn't get that. Very good.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,591

    What an absolute thicko Ian Blackford is.

    https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/status/1330918524093665280

    The chap has been living in Scotland in the North of Scotland since September.

    One thing we can all agree on.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,858
    ydoethur said:

    Imagine choosing not to repay the national debt....

    https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1330812949498388480

    ISTR he was a big supporter of Hugo Chavez and the Venezuelan criminal cabal socialist experiment.

    I can't help but wonder whether we might end by going the same way.

    In fact, arguably we're in a worse mess than they were economically. After all, we don't have the world's largest oil reserves to fall back on.

    That's said, Johnson's pretty useless but he hasn't launched a military coup, rigged multiple elections or embezzled literally billions from the Treasury.
    In fairness if the had 9600% inflation we wouldn't be worrying so much about the national debt.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,099
    edited November 2020

    What an absolute thicko Ian Blackford is.

    https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/status/1330918524093665280

    The chap has been living in Scotland in the North of Scotland since September.

    I presume he has nothing better to do than police social media for possible rule breakers? Unless its his own MPs, then its never saw a thing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,669
    edited November 2020
    Oops, the government doesn't understand a calendar or their own legislation.

    https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1330929294390996992
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,221
    edited November 2020
    HYUFD said:

    The latest polling suggests the GOP will hold the Georgia Senate seats in the run off and I agree.

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1329255402157043713?s=20

    Biden was not elected on the back of a Democratic landslide to sweep the US to the left, he was elected purely to beat Trump and Georgia swing voters having voted Biden to beat the incumbent President will now vote GOP to ensure the woke, far left does not get too much power and the Senate stays GOP.

    Hence Biden will be the first incoming President not to take office with his party in control of both chambers of Congress since Bush Snr in 1989. That would be about right, US voters want him to compromise with the GOP and to reduce the polarisation

    It takes two to tango. The GOP don't seem to even want to learn the steps.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,102
    edited November 2020
    Andy_JS said:

    What an absolute thicko Ian Blackford is.

    https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/status/1330918524093665280

    The chap has been living in Scotland in the North of Scotland since September.

    One thing we can all agree on.
    He is ghastly and simply does no service to the vast majority of Scottish people

    And that is my Scots wife talking
  • What an absolute thicko Ian Blackford is.

    https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/status/1330918524093665280

    The chap has been living in Scotland in the North of Scotland since September.

    I presume he has nothing better to do than police social media for possible rule breakers?
    When was the last time Blackford talked about Margaret Ferrier?
  • 8+hrs and BBC summary is still...

    Meanwhile, a Covid vaccine developed by the University of Oxford stops 70% of people from developing symptoms, a large-scale trial shows
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    Andy_JS said:

    What an absolute thicko Ian Blackford is.

    https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/status/1330918524093665280

    The chap has been living in Scotland in the North of Scotland since September.

    One thing we can all agree on.
    He is ghastly and simply does no service to the vast majority of Scottish people

    And that is my Scots wife talking
    I seem to recall Robertson getting more cross party respect, but that could be my memory playing tricks.
  • Oops, the government doesn't understand a calendar or their own legislation.

    https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1330929294390996992

    Technically the word "from" does not necessarily imply "and including", therefore the new guidance could apply from "From and including" 4 December.

    However it is more likely a mistake.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,669
    edited November 2020
    'Kin hell, Extinction Rebellion are as thick as Ian Blackford mince.

    Extinction Rebellion has called for supporters to stop making mortgage payments and take out loans with no intention of paying them back in an attempt to force the government and banks to take further action towards reducing carbon emissions.

    The environmental campaign group, which has urged the government to declare a climate and ecological emergency, called for people to engage in “financial disobedience” by refusing to pay debts including credit cards and payday loans. It even suggests taking out loans or opening bank accounts to run up a “small” overdraft with no intention to pay it back.

    The lobbyists said that the campaign, which is called “Money rebellion”, would aim to donate the money saved by refusing to pay back loans and mortgage repayments to support those worst hit by the negative impacts of climate change.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dont-pay-your-mortgage-urge-climate-activists-s83bzjwzr

    I mean the banks and other financial services companies have no recourse to things like repossessions, CCJs, and warrants of control.
  • Oops, the government doesn't understand a calendar or their own legislation.

    https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1330929294390996992

    They might automatically expire, but of course you could superslcede them with new regulations starting a day early
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,883

    What an absolute thicko Ian Blackford is.

    https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/status/1330918524093665280

    The chap has been living in Scotland in the North of Scotland since September.

    I presume he has nothing better to do than police social media for possible rule breakers?
    When was the last time Blackford talked about Margaret Ferrier?
    Back in October on Good Mornding Scotland, I think - and pretty strongly.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    edited November 2020

    Oops, the government doesn't understand a calendar or their own legislation.

    https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1330929294390996992

    Hmm. It is far from clear but I can't see the guidance saying that. This is what it says:

    This COVID-19 Winter Plan ensures the current national restrictions can be lifted on
    2 December.


    and

    On 2 December, across all of England, regardless of tier:
    a. The stay at home requirement will end, with domestic and international travel
    being permitted again subject to guidance in each tier.
    b. Shops, personal care, gyms and the wider leisure sector will reopen


    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/937529/COVID-19_Winter_Plan.pdf

    Which doesn't make it clear whether it will be eg. midnight 2nd Dec or midnight 1st Dec. Actually looking at 6.b it seems to say that on Weds 2nd Dec shops will open.
  • kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    What an absolute thicko Ian Blackford is.

    https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/status/1330918524093665280

    The chap has been living in Scotland in the North of Scotland since September.

    One thing we can all agree on.
    He is ghastly and simply does no service to the vast majority of Scottish people

    And that is my Scots wife talking
    I seem to recall Robertson getting more cross party respect, but that could be my memory playing tricks.
    Blackford is in a league of his own
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    TOPPING said:

    Oops, the government doesn't understand a calendar or their own legislation.

    https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1330929294390996992

    Hmm. It is far from clear but I can't see the guidance saying that. This is what it says:

    This COVID-19 Winter Plan ensures the current national restrictions can be lifted on
    2 December.


    and

    On 2 December, across all of England, regardless of tier:
    a. The stay at home requirement will end, with domestic and international travel
    being permitted again subject to guidance in each tier.
    b. Shops, personal care, gyms and the wider leisure sector will reopen


    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/937529/COVID-19_Winter_Plan.pdf

    Which doesn't make it clear whether it will be eg. midnight 2nd Dec or midnight 1st Dec. Actually looking at 6.b it seems to say that on Weds 2nd Dec shops will open.
    Shouldn’t it be ‘from Dec 3rd?’
  • Carnyx said:

    What an absolute thicko Ian Blackford is.

    https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/status/1330918524093665280

    The chap has been living in Scotland in the North of Scotland since September.

    I presume he has nothing better to do than police social media for possible rule breakers?
    When was the last time Blackford talked about Margaret Ferrier?
    Back in October on Good Mornding Scotland, I think - and pretty strongly.
    But he's harassing this poor innocent chap while not saying anything about Ferrier for a month?

    Shameful.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126
    edited November 2020

    Oops, the government doesn't understand a calendar or their own legislation.

    https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1330929294390996992

    Technically the word "from" does not necessarily imply "and including", therefore the new guidance could apply from "From and including" 4 December.

    However it is more likely a mistake.
    I swear the counting of days causes endless trouble (or days of trouble at least). Calendar day, working day, clear day, clear working day, etc.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036

    I've just had an email saying our office Xmas party is booked for a central London location in mid December.....

    So if the place has taken the booking.....???

    That's one way to downsize the business.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,883
    edited November 2020

    Carnyx said:

    What an absolute thicko Ian Blackford is.

    https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/status/1330918524093665280

    The chap has been living in Scotland in the North of Scotland since September.

    I presume he has nothing better to do than police social media for possible rule breakers?
    When was the last time Blackford talked about Margaret Ferrier?
    Back in October on Good Mornding Scotland, I think - and pretty strongly.
    But he's harassing this poor innocent chap while not saying anything about Ferrier for a month?

    Shameful.
    Well, I haven't looked - but she hasn't been a SNP MP for a month, so not much more he could say after what he did say [edit].
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,126

    Carnyx said:

    What an absolute thicko Ian Blackford is.

    https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/status/1330918524093665280

    The chap has been living in Scotland in the North of Scotland since September.

    I presume he has nothing better to do than police social media for possible rule breakers?
    When was the last time Blackford talked about Margaret Ferrier?
    Back in October on Good Mornding Scotland, I think - and pretty strongly.
    But he's harassing this poor innocent chap while not saying anything about Ferrier for a month?

    Shameful.
    He's covered himself by framing it as a question rather than an outright accusation, even though it is clearly meant to be the latter.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1330917647731535873

    Honestly I haven't felt this much love for an MP since Dave and George were MPs.

    Yes, it's a good thread. People go on about the BBC, but the Daily Mail's coverage has been an absolute disgrace for a couple of months now. Headlines are often full-scale Covid denial, not far off conspiracy level; they told us that things were improving when they clearly weren't; that we are prisoners in our own homes; and they demand that we should be snogging everybody we can under the mistletoe at Xmas. Eventually you reach a report that mentions another 500 dead or whatever.

    Although an opponent of the government, I think today's announcements are broadly sensible. I fear they may be undone by a too-liberal release at Xmas resulting in a large death spike at the end of January. But on the right lines.

    It seems to me that this second wave is just as bad as the first, except that deaths are lower (around half?) mainly because of a) improved treatments and b) improved protection of care homes.
    Also, the government pressed the button sooner. Peak daily cases were probably about 50k, instead of 100k.
    On Malmesbury's charts of regional deaths - PHE data, I think - a high peak was followed by a lower peak. Deaths in the south in autumn are a small fraction of spring deaths. Note: 'south' is defined as SE, E, London and SW.

    Deaths in the north are more substantial compared to spring deaths.

    UK total deaths are reportedly normal for the time of year, making it inappropriate for every BBC news programme to lead with a Daily Mail-type doom and gloom headline. It's strange if the Mail has veered the other way - it usually loves gloom and doom - but to report zero excess deaths would be OK if they are indeed zero.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    What an absolute thicko Ian Blackford is.

    https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/status/1330918524093665280

    The chap has been living in Scotland in the North of Scotland since September.

    It's almost as if he's trying to snitch on this guy.
  • kle4 said:

    Oops, the government doesn't understand a calendar or their own legislation.

    https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1330929294390996992

    Technically the word "from" does not necessarily imply "and including", therefore the new guidance could apply from "From and including" 4 December.

    However it is more likely a mistake.
    I swear the counting of days causes endless of trouble (or days of trouble at least). Calendar day, working day, clear day, clear working day, etc.
    It's like when people say 'next Saturday' and they mean the 5th of December, but my understanding of the English language means next Saturday is the 28th of November, ie this Saturday, which is of course the next Saturday.
  • Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    What an absolute thicko Ian Blackford is.

    https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/status/1330918524093665280

    The chap has been living in Scotland in the North of Scotland since September.

    I presume he has nothing better to do than police social media for possible rule breakers?
    When was the last time Blackford talked about Margaret Ferrier?
    Back in October on Good Mornding Scotland, I think - and pretty strongly.
    But he's harassing this poor innocent chap while not saying anything about Ferrier for a month?

    Shameful.
    Well, I haven't looked - but she hasn't been a SNP MP for a month, so not much more he could say after what he did.
    As an aside do you support Blackford's comments on this photographer
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,221
    TOPPING said:

    I see Lab are off three pts in the latest poll. Not that any poll that is not the General Election particularly matters and one a few years out matters still less but I wonder at what point Lab will be able to stop and oppose the govt.

    The Cons will spin everything for the next three years as Covid- or Brexit-related and SKS has slightly got Lab into a Stockholm Syndrome position whereby they are voting with the govt on both Brexit (once a deal is put before parliament and I presume to avoid no deal) and Covid, and hence they have ceded to the govt the initiative in handling these two issues.

    Not an easy habit to break.

    Yes. It's never too early to start building the narrative of total and utter Tory disaster on every conceivable front. Don't wait. Do it now.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,133
    edited November 2020
    Greens at 6% on that poll, if they repeated that at the next general election it would be their highest ever voteshare at a general election.

    6% of 2019 Labour voters now voting Green with Yougov, more than the 5% of 2019 Tory voters now voting Labour.

    7% of 2019 Tory voters now voting Brexit Party.
  • MaxPB said:

    What an absolute thicko Ian Blackford is.

    https://twitter.com/Ianblackford_MP/status/1330918524093665280

    The chap has been living in Scotland in the North of Scotland since September.

    It's almost as if he's trying to snitch on this guy.
    Snitches get stitches.
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