He should have closed his Ocado tab before filming. Not 100% great for his man of the people schtick.
He also seems to have a fairly large office for a man of the people.
Do you have to be poor to be a man of the people?
Only if you are on the left
You've noticed then.
If you're poor it's the politics of envy. If you're rich it's champagne socialist hypocrisy. And if you speak up on anything it's virtue signalling.
Such is the burden of the Left.
The only acceptable example of the breed is neither poor nor rich and you wouldn't know their views anyway because they keep their head down and their trap shut.
Yes, although it does go the other way, to some extent, as well. The Labour attacks on Sunak's wealth weren't that joyous to witness.
That video? Bit tawdry that. Although his Hedge Fund background is imo a valid thing to home in on. Generally speaking, a person's political views should be taken at face value and in good faith unless there is good reason not to - and their personal finances do not supply such a reason. I do think the Right try to "police" the Left in this tedious regard more than the Left do the Right.
I agree. It seems to be a trait, commoner on the right, to judge the worth of someone's opinions on the basis of their perceived status. The left have their own cognitive biases, as do liberals like me, and everyone else too.
We should have a directory of standard arguments and counter-arguments, like a Batsford Chess Openings, just to skip the boring stuff: Opening code 001: The champagne socialist gambit, charity variation 1a Look at his house! Champagne socialist! 1b But his ideas though 2a why doesn't he give up his own money instead of coming after mine? 2b because he knows government help is the only way to ensure selfish rich people d... 3a oh I'm selfish am I? I give to {list of charities} 3b all very noble, but {some billionaire} does nothing, why does he need all that money when there are chil... 4a you sound envious 4b it's not that at all, it's just that... etc.
Then instead of having the argument, someone can just say "001" and we can assume that everyone is suitably convinced that the other person is evil and or stupid and we can argue about something different instead.
'It seems to be a trait, commoner on the right, to judge the worth of someone's opinions on the basis of their perceived status.'
Really? 'White privilege' says hello.
Oh, I meant status as in wealth, fame, power. You're right about "your" reading of status. My fault for not being clearer.
In fairness, many (most?) Chinese can't swim. It really is a remarkable feature of their culture. Here. You might drown, so pretty much everyone learns to swim as a child. There. You might drown, so don't go near the water.
I found the same among Ghanians & other West Africans. Though there it seems to be especially the sea.
Anywhere in Africa there is the powerful crocodile disincentive to get in to any body of fresh water.
I may be wrong, but aren't crocs saltwater dwellers, and gators freshwater?
There are freshwater crocs everywhere in Africa. Salties confined to Australia afaik.
I think that is right - the fear, as it has been expressed to me, is that water (especially the sea) is dangerous and unpredictable *of itself*.
Do you think punters will have a "preferred" vaccine? Are we going to have cases of people refusing the "Pfizer vaccine" because they've read something on the internet, and want the "Moderna" one instead?
Yes. Me, for starters, if it appears one or the other has such an edge that insisting on it is worth the hassle. I make many or most decisions these days because I've read something on the internet. What do you do?
I never inject anything without checking the reviews on tripadvisor first.
In fairness, many (most?) Chinese can't swim. It really is a remarkable feature of their culture. Here. You might drown, so pretty much everyone learns to swim as a child. There. You might drown, so don't go near the water.
And then their female team of swimmers suddenly swept the board at the Olympics. The obvious reason turned out to be the reason.
In fairness, many (most?) Chinese can't swim. It really is a remarkable feature of their culture. Here. You might drown, so pretty much everyone learns to swim as a child. There. You might drown, so don't go near the water.
I found the same among Ghanians & other West Africans. Though there it seems to be especially the sea.
Wasn't the RNLI getting pelters recently for allocating a substantial amount annually to swimming programmes in Africa?
He should have closed his Ocado tab before filming. Not 100% great for his man of the people schtick.
He also seems to have a fairly large office for a man of the people.
Do you have to be poor to be a man of the people?
Only if you are on the left
You've noticed then.
If you're poor it's the politics of envy. If you're rich it's champagne socialist hypocrisy. And if you speak up on anything it's virtue signalling.
Such is the burden of the Left.
The only acceptable example of the breed is neither poor nor rich and you wouldn't know their views anyway because they keep their head down and their trap shut.
Yes, although it does go the other way, to some extent, as well. The Labour attacks on Sunak's wealth weren't that joyous to witness.
That video? Bit tawdry that. Although his Hedge Fund background is imo a valid thing to home in on. Generally speaking, a person's political views should be taken at face value and in good faith unless there is good reason not to - and their personal finances do not supply such a reason. I do think the Right try to "police" the Left in this tedious regard more than the Left do the Right.
I agree. It seems to be a trait, commoner on the right, to judge the worth of someone's opinions on the basis of their perceived status. The left have their own cognitive biases, as do liberals like me, and everyone else too.
We should have a directory of standard arguments and counter-arguments, like a Batsford Chess Openings, just to skip the boring stuff: Opening code 001: The champagne socialist gambit, charity variation 1a Look at his house! Champagne socialist! 1b But his ideas though 2a why doesn't he give up his own money instead of coming after mine? 2b because he knows government help is the only way to ensure selfish rich people d... 3a oh I'm selfish am I? I give to {list of charities} 3b all very noble, but {some billionaire} does nothing, why does he need all that money when there are chil... 4a you sound envious 4b it's not that at all, it's just that... etc.
Then instead of having the argument, someone can just say "001" and we can assume that everyone is suitably convinced that the other person is evil and or stupid and we can argue about something different instead.
'It seems to be a trait, commoner on the right, to judge the worth of someone's opinions on the basis of their perceived status.'
Really? 'White privilege' says hello.
Oh, I meant status as in wealth, fame, power. You're right about "your" reading of status. My fault for not being clearer.
Ah, of course. Because the left never discounts the opinions of those who have money, were educated at elite institutions, or occupy positions of influence. Your argument is nonsensical however you choose to define 'status'.
Do you think punters will have a "preferred" vaccine? Are we going to have cases of people refusing the "Pfizer vaccine" because they've read something on the internet, and want the "Moderna" one instead?
Yes. Me, for starters, if it appears one or the other has such an edge that insisting on it is worth the hassle. I make many or most decisions these days because I've read something on the internet. What do you do?
I never inject anything without checking the reviews on tripadvisor first.
Danny : You have done something to your brain. You have made it high. If I lay 10 mils of diazepam on you, it will do something else to your brain. You will make it low. Why trust one drug and not the other? That's politics, innit?
Do you think punters will have a "preferred" vaccine? Are we going to have cases of people refusing the "Pfizer vaccine" because they've read something on the internet, and want the "Moderna" one instead?
Yes. Me, for starters, if it appears one or the other has such an edge that insisting on it is worth the hassle. I make many or most decisions these days because I've read something on the internet. What do you do?
I never inject anything without checking the reviews on tripadvisor first.
In fairness, many (most?) Chinese can't swim. It really is a remarkable feature of their culture. Here. You might drown, so pretty much everyone learns to swim as a child. There. You might drown, so don't go near the water.
And then their female team of swimmers suddenly swept the board at the Olympics. The obvious reason turned out to be the reason.
Indeed. There is the persistent belief in Shui Gwei. Water ghosts who will drag you under and exchange bodies with you. Like a changeling. That, and Mao heavily promoting swimming for health means that not going in the water at all is default. Used to be most frustrating at the beach when lifeguards would panic if I went past my knees.
In fairness, many (most?) Chinese can't swim. It really is a remarkable feature of their culture. Here. You might drown, so pretty much everyone learns to swim as a child. There. You might drown, so don't go near the water.
I found the same among Ghanians & other West Africans. Though there it seems to be especially the sea.
Anywhere in Africa there is the powerful crocodile disincentive to get in to any body of fresh water.
I may be wrong, but aren't crocs saltwater dwellers, and gators freshwater?
There are freshwater crocs everywhere in Africa. Salties confined to Australia afaik.
I once came within a few metres of the world's largest known crocodile. And it survived in one piece.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
He should have closed his Ocado tab before filming. Not 100% great for his man of the people schtick.
He also seems to have a fairly large office for a man of the people.
Do you have to be poor to be a man of the people?
Only if you are on the left
You've noticed then.
If you're poor it's the politics of envy. If you're rich it's champagne socialist hypocrisy. And if you speak up on anything it's virtue signalling.
Such is the burden of the Left.
The only acceptable example of the breed is neither poor nor rich and you wouldn't know their views anyway because they keep their head down and their trap shut.
Yes, although it does go the other way, to some extent, as well. The Labour attacks on Sunak's wealth weren't that joyous to witness.
That video? Bit tawdry that. Although his Hedge Fund background is imo a valid thing to home in on. Generally speaking, a person's political views should be taken at face value and in good faith unless there is good reason not to - and their personal finances do not supply such a reason. I do think the Right try to "police" the Left in this tedious regard more than the Left do the Right.
I agree. It seems to be a trait, commoner on the right, to judge the worth of someone's opinions on the basis of their perceived status. The left have their own cognitive biases, as do liberals like me, and everyone else too.
We should have a directory of standard arguments and counter-arguments, like a Batsford Chess Openings, just to skip the boring stuff: Opening code 001: The champagne socialist gambit, charity variation 1a Look at his house! Champagne socialist! 1b But his ideas though 2a why doesn't he give up his own money instead of coming after mine? 2b because he knows government help is the only way to ensure selfish rich people d... 3a oh I'm selfish am I? I give to {list of charities} 3b all very noble, but {some billionaire} does nothing, why does he need all that money when there are chil... 4a you sound envious 4b it's not that at all, it's just that... etc.
Then instead of having the argument, someone can just say "001" and we can assume that everyone is suitably convinced that the other person is evil and or stupid and we can argue about something different instead.
'It seems to be a trait, commoner on the right, to judge the worth of someone's opinions on the basis of their perceived status.'
Really? 'White privilege' says hello.
Oh, I meant status as in wealth, fame, power. You're right about "your" reading of status. My fault for not being clearer.
Ah, of course. Because the left never discounts the opinions of those who have money, were educated at elite institutions, or occupy positions of influence. Your argument is nonsensical however you choose to define 'status'.
Oh do fuck off
EDIT I mean, it's right there above: "Yes, although it does go the other way, to some extent, as well. The Labour attacks on Sunak's wealth weren't that joyous to witness."
Just noticed Rishi Sunak has taken to imitating his boss. The breathy enthusiasm you get from a dog after a run. Unfortunately as with Johnson it just looks fake.
Just noticed Rishi Sunak has taken to imitating his boss. The breathy enthusiasm you get from a dog after a run. Unfortunately as with Johnson it just looks fake.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
In fairness, many (most?) Chinese can't swim. It really is a remarkable feature of their culture. Here. You might drown, so pretty much everyone learns to swim as a child. There. You might drown, so don't go near the water.
I found the same among Ghanians & other West Africans. Though there it seems to be especially the sea.
Anywhere in Africa there is the powerful crocodile disincentive to get in to any body of fresh water.
I may be wrong, but aren't crocs saltwater dwellers, and gators freshwater?
There are freshwater crocs everywhere in Africa. Salties confined to Australia afaik.
I once came within a few metres of the world's largest known crocodile. And it survived in one piece.
The European commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, has said her officials have concluded exploratory talks with Moderna, writes Daniel Boffey, the Guardian’s Brussels bureau chief.
Von der Leyen said:
We hope to finalise the contract soon. We do not know at this stage which vaccines will end up being safe and effective. The European Medicines Agency will authorise them only after a robust assessment. And this is why we need to have a broad portfolio of vaccines based on very different technologies in parallel.
Wait so Peston was peddling fake news earlier which our own twatter in chief reposted with no research?!
"The commission has a potential purchase agreement for 80m doses with Moderna with an option to double that amount."
And yet nothing has been signed. Just like with Pfizer. Nothing has been signed. I don't understand what the EU are waiting for, it's legitimately starting to worry me that they are letting financial prudence get in the way of speed and while the UK and US will be most of the way through a vaccine programme by the middle of 2021 they will just be starting out in a lot of Europe where side deals haven't been done. I'm actually genuinely concerned about it because we need Europe to get on top of this as well.
This is a good story (if you click through to the link) which neatly illustrates why any government’s claim to having ‘developed’ the vaccine on their watch is just silly. (This research goes back to 2008.) https://twitter.com/RLCscienceboss/status/1328396325650567168
Why have the Guardian shuttered his original YouTube stuff?
His videos so far on his YouTube channel are getting piss poor number of views. Somebody with so many social media followers and national newspaper column should really be able to get more than a few 1000 views per video, when things like a bearded man doing food challenges can get 500k per video and even a man teaching the French, English swear words, to use against the French government for messing up COVID response does more views.
Traditional media seems to struggle to get large numbers of online viewers on the likes of YouTube, whereas there are some online-only or online-first creators who get huge numbers of viewers. And they aren't shoddy operations any more, they have some impressive fliming setups, with huge rented warehouses used as studios, and lots of technical support. You have gamers, people doing stunts and tricks, people doing reviews and the like, getting millions of views per video, far more than their traditional competitors, and they receive lots of sponsorship and advertising.
When I did a YouTube channel it was incredibly volatile / random.
I'd do a video I thought was amazing, and get 2,000 views. Then I'd do one which I thought was "meh", and it would get 200,000.
Basically, you either trigger the YouTube algorithm (one way or another) and it surfaces your video to people who might like t, or you don't and only your subscrbers ever see it.
How to end Illegal Immigration: 221k views The Future's Bright, The Future's Not Coal: 201k views What a $400 Hotel Room Tells Us About the Price of Oil*: 67k views What Causes Trade Deficits: 19k views Italy: 50 Ways To Leave the Euro: 5k views
I guess I should feel smug that my videos are more popular than Owen Jones.
* That was probably my best video
Why did you stop?
Because I started an auto insurance business.
Basically, I'm a pretty entrepreneurial guy. Making YouTube videos was fun, but it was a job rather than building something bigger.
The European commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, has said her officials have concluded exploratory talks with Moderna, writes Daniel Boffey, the Guardian’s Brussels bureau chief.
Von der Leyen said:
We hope to finalise the contract soon. We do not know at this stage which vaccines will end up being safe and effective. The European Medicines Agency will authorise them only after a robust assessment. And this is why we need to have a broad portfolio of vaccines based on very different technologies in parallel.
Wait so Peston was peddling fake news earlier which our own twatter in chief reposted with no research?!
"The commission has a potential purchase agreement for 80m doses with Moderna with an option to double that amount."
And yet nothing has been signed. Just like with Pfizer. Nothing has been signed. I don't understand what the EU are waiting for, it's legitimately starting to worry me that they are letting financial prudence get in the way of speed and while the UK and US will be most of the way through a vaccine programme by the middle of 2021 they will just be starting out in a lot of Europe where side deals haven't been done. I'm actually genuinely concerned about it because we need Europe to get on top of this as well.
They have signed with Pfizer (now), haven't they?
Only for 100m guaranteed in 2021. The other 200m they are back of the queue.
The European commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, has said her officials have concluded exploratory talks with Moderna, writes Daniel Boffey, the Guardian’s Brussels bureau chief.
Von der Leyen said:
We hope to finalise the contract soon. We do not know at this stage which vaccines will end up being safe and effective. The European Medicines Agency will authorise them only after a robust assessment. And this is why we need to have a broad portfolio of vaccines based on very different technologies in parallel.
Wait so Peston was peddling fake news earlier which our own twatter in chief reposted with no research?!
"The commission has a potential purchase agreement for 80m doses with Moderna with an option to double that amount."
And yet nothing has been signed. Just like with Pfizer. Nothing has been signed. I don't understand what the EU are waiting for, it's legitimately starting to worry me that they are letting financial prudence get in the way of speed and while the UK and US will be most of the way through a vaccine programme by the middle of 2021 they will just be starting out in a lot of Europe where side deals haven't been done. I'm actually genuinely concerned about it because we need Europe to get on top of this as well.
They have signed with Pfizer (now), haven't they?
Not yet, but I think it's close to being signed, 100m for 2021 delivery and 200m for an unspecified delivery date (2022 onwards). As I said, the EU's big bet seems to be Curevac, but that hasn't properly started PIII trials yet.
Why have the Guardian shuttered his original YouTube stuff?
His videos so far on his YouTube channel are getting piss poor number of views. Somebody with so many social media followers and national newspaper column should really be able to get more than a few 1000 views per video, when things like a bearded man doing food challenges can get 500k per video and even a man teaching the French, English swear words, to use against the French government for messing up COVID response does more views.
Traditional media seems to struggle to get large numbers of online viewers on the likes of YouTube, whereas there are some online-only or online-first creators who get huge numbers of viewers. And they aren't shoddy operations any more, they have some impressive fliming setups, with huge rented warehouses used as studios, and lots of technical support. You have gamers, people doing stunts and tricks, people doing reviews and the like, getting millions of views per video, far more than their traditional competitors, and they receive lots of sponsorship and advertising.
When I did a YouTube channel it was incredibly volatile / random.
I'd do a video I thought was amazing, and get 2,000 views. Then I'd do one which I thought was "meh", and it would get 200,000.
Basically, you either trigger the YouTube algorithm (one way or another) and it surfaces your video to people who might like t, or you don't and only your subscrbers ever see it.
How to end Illegal Immigration: 221k views The Future's Bright, The Future's Not Coal: 201k views What a $400 Hotel Room Tells Us About the Price of Oil*: 67k views What Causes Trade Deficits: 19k views Italy: 50 Ways To Leave the Euro: 5k views
I guess I should feel smug that my videos are more popular than Owen Jones.
* That was probably my best video
Why did you stop?
Because I started an auto insurance business.
Basically, I'm a pretty entrepreneurial guy. Making YouTube videos was fun, but it was a job rather than building something bigger.
One of the "secrets" these days is rather than a small number of videos, hoping for that one viral hit and you get an audience. The channels that build are the ones who now put out 3-4-5 videos a day.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
The European commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, has said her officials have concluded exploratory talks with Moderna, writes Daniel Boffey, the Guardian’s Brussels bureau chief.
Von der Leyen said:
We hope to finalise the contract soon. We do not know at this stage which vaccines will end up being safe and effective. The European Medicines Agency will authorise them only after a robust assessment. And this is why we need to have a broad portfolio of vaccines based on very different technologies in parallel.
Wait so Peston was peddling fake news earlier which our own twatter in chief reposted with no research?!
"The commission has a potential purchase agreement for 80m doses with Moderna with an option to double that amount."
And yet nothing has been signed. Just like with Pfizer. Nothing has been signed. I don't understand what the EU are waiting for, it's legitimately starting to worry me that they are letting financial prudence get in the way of speed and while the UK and US will be most of the way through a vaccine programme by the middle of 2021 they will just be starting out in a lot of Europe where side deals haven't been done. I'm actually genuinely concerned about it because we need Europe to get on top of this as well.
"Nothing has been signed"
You will certainly be aware that the BionTech research was only partly funded by the federal government of Germany, the evil Fourth Reich has thrown in some dirty money, pressed from its vassals, too.
It seems kind of adorable to believe that Mordor could have done that in some bout of altruism, without forcing BionTech under the yoke of preliminary contracts which ensure early access to the vaccine.
This is probably as good an insight as we’ve had so far, about how Pres Biden might look to regulate online content distribution.
At which point, OGH becomes liable for what we write. So he would have to close the comments.
The big media companies would be the only ones who could afford to run comment sections....
To be fair, it might be Vanilla that becomes liable for what we write.
But I imagine that PB would simply go underground, lurking in the deepest places of the Dark Web where discussion of voting systems and pizza topping can take place away from the prying eyes of the authorities...
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Nonsense. The Brexit Party are 2pp down on last week's You Gov poll - 6% then to 4% now. Farage's latest meanderings are having no impact, despite what some may wish.
As for the Lib Dems (5%), I can't help thinking they are in real trouble. Ed Davey is a mistake - he's a poor leader, and will get little traction. I saw Daisy Cooper perform in the HoC last week - quite impressive. She would have been a much better, forward-looking choice for leader, with plenty of time to make a name for herself by 2024.
I think we could be polarizing. Fine for people like me who find it easy to pick a side but many will have an awkward choice.
Re vaccines, I think the most interesting datapoint I saw this week was that BioNTech estimates that the peak viral shedding is cut in half with its vaccine. This effectively drops the R in half for those who've been vaccinated and helps us avoid what we'd all feared: that those who'd be vaccinated would end up being very efficient asymptomatic superspreaders.
Hopefully all the other vaccines are as efficacious in this way.
In fairness, many (most?) Chinese can't swim. It really is a remarkable feature of their culture. Here. You might drown, so pretty much everyone learns to swim as a child. There. You might drown, so don't go near the water.
I found the same among Ghanians & other West Africans. Though there it seems to be especially the sea.
Anywhere in Africa there is the powerful crocodile disincentive to get in to any body of fresh water.
I may be wrong, but aren't crocs saltwater dwellers, and gators freshwater?
There are freshwater crocs everywhere in Africa. Salties confined to Australia afaik.
I once came within a few metres of the world's largest known crocodile. And it survived in one piece.
The European commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, has said her officials have concluded exploratory talks with Moderna, writes Daniel Boffey, the Guardian’s Brussels bureau chief.
Von der Leyen said:
We hope to finalise the contract soon. We do not know at this stage which vaccines will end up being safe and effective. The European Medicines Agency will authorise them only after a robust assessment. And this is why we need to have a broad portfolio of vaccines based on very different technologies in parallel.
Wait so Peston was peddling fake news earlier which our own twatter in chief reposted with no research?!
"The commission has a potential purchase agreement for 80m doses with Moderna with an option to double that amount."
And yet nothing has been signed. Just like with Pfizer. Nothing has been signed. I don't understand what the EU are waiting for, it's legitimately starting to worry me that they are letting financial prudence get in the way of speed and while the UK and US will be most of the way through a vaccine programme by the middle of 2021 they will just be starting out in a lot of Europe where side deals haven't been done. I'm actually genuinely concerned about it because we need Europe to get on top of this as well.
"Nothing has been signed"
You will certainly be aware that the BionTech research was only partly funded by the federal government of Germany, the evil Fourth Reich has thrown in some dirty money, pressed from its vassals, too.
It seems kind of adorable to believe that Mordor could have done that in some bout of altruism, without forcing BionTech under the yoke of preliminary contracts which ensure early access to the vaccine.
AIUI Germany specifically has its own side deal which isn't a huge surprise. My worry is for the wider EU position which is hugely dependent on Curevac and they haven't started PIII trials yet. You seem to think that I'm making some kind of point about it, I'm actually not. The commission needs to just get these deals signed ASAP at whatever the cost. I don't think the UK government order of 5m from Moderna has come cheap and yet they did it anyway, pen to paper delivery in spring 2021.
The sooner we all beat the virus for good the better off we'll all be, your comment is unwarranted.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Some people still think it a hoax even while dying of it:
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
Just noticed Rishi Sunak has taken to imitating his boss. The breathy enthusiasm you get from a dog after a run. Unfortunately as with Johnson it just looks fake.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I doubt Piers gives his money to such capitalist enterprises. Or maybe he just objects strongly to the fact pizza hut do pineapple topped ones.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Some people still think it a hoax even while dying of it:
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
Oldies are going to be having it large. On holiday, in the cinema, in the pubs and clubs...
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
Yes, this is my issue. If the government are restricting supply then this policy is unfair to people under 40 who just won't get it for ages.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
In fairness, many (most?) Chinese can't swim. It really is a remarkable feature of their culture. Here. You might drown, so pretty much everyone learns to swim as a child. There. You might drown, so don't go near the water.
I found the same among Ghanians & other West Africans. Though there it seems to be especially the sea.
Anywhere in Africa there is the powerful crocodile disincentive to get in to any body of fresh water.
I may be wrong, but aren't crocs saltwater dwellers, and gators freshwater?
There are freshwater crocs everywhere in Africa. Salties confined to Australia afaik.
I once came within a few metres of the world's largest known crocodile. And it survived in one piece.
Gator long, there.
Always with the puns, instead of makin gharial contribution to the debate.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
So we should prepare for 2021 being as crap as 2020?
If that's the case, I feel like people's expectations are not being managed...
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
If it all goes to plan and the AZ vaccine is as good as Pfizer and Moderna then we should have the nation majority vaccinated by the end of August 2021 with 3-4m doses per week being given by doctors, nurses, pharmacists, student doctors and student nurses.
In fairness, many (most?) Chinese can't swim. It really is a remarkable feature of their culture. Here. You might drown, so pretty much everyone learns to swim as a child. There. You might drown, so don't go near the water.
I found the same among Ghanians & other West Africans. Though there it seems to be especially the sea.
Anywhere in Africa there is the powerful crocodile disincentive to get in to any body of fresh water.
I may be wrong, but aren't crocs saltwater dwellers, and gators freshwater?
There are freshwater crocs everywhere in Africa. Salties confined to Australia afaik.
I once came within a few metres of the world's largest known crocodile. And it survived in one piece.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
So we should prepare for 2021 being as crap as 2020?
If that's the case, I feel like people's expectations are not being managed...
I suspect once the vulnerable and key workers are vaccinated, then we might see a return to some normality for everybody by the summer of 2021, so long as we engage in things like social distancing, regular hand washing, and mask wearing.
Oh and localised lockdowns if we have some Covid-19 flare ups.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
Expect a howl of special pleading over what is a "key worker."
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
If it all goes to plan and the AZ vaccine is as good as Pfizer and Moderna then we should have the nation majority vaccinated by the end of August 2021 with 3-4m doses per week being given by doctors, nurses, pharmacists, student doctors and student nurses.
I'm factoring in that someone like Dido Harding will be in charge of the vaccine rollout.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
And where does that leave healthy adults between 18 and 40 ?
The European commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, has said her officials have concluded exploratory talks with Moderna, writes Daniel Boffey, the Guardian’s Brussels bureau chief.
Von der Leyen said:
We hope to finalise the contract soon. We do not know at this stage which vaccines will end up being safe and effective. The European Medicines Agency will authorise them only after a robust assessment. And this is why we need to have a broad portfolio of vaccines based on very different technologies in parallel.
Wait so Peston was peddling fake news earlier which our own twatter in chief reposted with no research?!
"The commission has a potential purchase agreement for 80m doses with Moderna with an option to double that amount."
And yet nothing has been signed. Just like with Pfizer. Nothing has been signed. I don't understand what the EU are waiting for, it's legitimately starting to worry me that they are letting financial prudence get in the way of speed and while the UK and US will be most of the way through a vaccine programme by the middle of 2021 they will just be starting out in a lot of Europe where side deals haven't been done. I'm actually genuinely concerned about it because we need Europe to get on top of this as well.
"Nothing has been signed"
You will certainly be aware that the BionTech research was only partly funded by the federal government of Germany, the evil Fourth Reich has thrown in some dirty money, pressed from its vassals, too.
It seems kind of adorable to believe that Mordor could have done that in some bout of altruism, without forcing BionTech under the yoke of preliminary contracts which ensure early access to the vaccine.
AIUI Germany specifically has its own side deal which isn't a huge surprise. My worry is for the wider EU position which is hugely dependent on Curevac and they haven't started PIII trials yet. You seem to think that I'm making some kind of point about it, I'm actually not. The commission needs to just get these deals signed ASAP at whatever the cost. I don't think the UK government order of 5m from Moderna has come cheap and yet they did it anyway, pen to paper delivery in spring 2021.
The sooner we all beat the virus for good the better off we'll all be, your comment is unwarranted.
I fully agree with this statement: "The sooner we all beat the virus for good the better off we'll all be"
But your statement that the US and the UK have got "on top" of this, and that "Europe" needed to follow your world-leadingness, in the comment I replied to, warranted my comment very much, in my view.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
And where does that leave healthy adults between 18 and 40 ?
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
If it all goes to plan and the AZ vaccine is as good as Pfizer and Moderna then we should have the nation majority vaccinated by the end of August 2021 with 3-4m doses per week being given by doctors, nurses, pharmacists, student doctors and student nurses.
I'm factoring in that someone like Dido Harding will be in charge of the vaccine rollout.
In fairness, many (most?) Chinese can't swim. It really is a remarkable feature of their culture. Here. You might drown, so pretty much everyone learns to swim as a child. There. You might drown, so don't go near the water.
I found the same among Ghanians & other West Africans. Though there it seems to be especially the sea.
Anywhere in Africa there is the powerful crocodile disincentive to get in to any body of fresh water.
I may be wrong, but aren't crocs saltwater dwellers, and gators freshwater?
There are freshwater crocs everywhere in Africa. Salties confined to Australia afaik.
I once came within a few metres of the world's largest known crocodile. And it survived in one piece.
I think one of the other things we've got to factor in is some resistance to vaccine uptake.
It is inevitable some medically vulnerable people will die after taking the vaccine for reasons unrelated to the vaccine and the idiots who egged on Andrew Wakefield will launch their bullshit.
People will say my mate, Jason on Facebook, who was expelled from school for being an idiot, says he knows the vaccine will kill us if we have a 5G phone, so I'm not taking it.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Some people still think it a hoax even while dying of it:
In fairness, many (most?) Chinese can't swim. It really is a remarkable feature of their culture. Here. You might drown, so pretty much everyone learns to swim as a child. There. You might drown, so don't go near the water.
I found the same among Ghanians & other West Africans. Though there it seems to be especially the sea.
Anywhere in Africa there is the powerful crocodile disincentive to get in to any body of fresh water.
I may be wrong, but aren't crocs saltwater dwellers, and gators freshwater?
There are freshwater crocs everywhere in Africa. Salties confined to Australia afaik.
I once came within a few metres of the world's largest known crocodile. And it survived in one piece.
Gator long, there.
Always with the puns, instead of makin gharial contribution to the debate.
Well, I am monitoring it in between making awesome puns.
The phenomenon of people milling about until someone acts - which crystallises the actions of the rest - is a an interesting piece of human behaviour.
Taking out your phone and videoing this is an interesting reaction to the situation, though.
Very, very common.
The Kitty Genovese phenomenon. The more people around, the less likely any one individual is to intervene with the required help.
Most of us will have experienced this, not by witnessing murders or drownings, but when the office fire alarm goes off. You don't immediately head for the fire escape, you look uncertainly around to see what everyone else is doing, and they do the same.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
Expect a howl of special pleading over what is a "key worker."
If teachers are not included, there really will be trouble. We’re fed up enough as it is (and struggling to stay open, as predicted).
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
Expect a howl of special pleading over what is a "key worker."
Timpsons and Locksmiths....
I know I have only just arrived, but I will now do the hat and coat walk of shame.....
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
And where does that leave healthy adults between 18 and 40 ?
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
And where does that leave healthy adults between 18 and 40 ?
In fairness, many (most?) Chinese can't swim. It really is a remarkable feature of their culture. Here. You might drown, so pretty much everyone learns to swim as a child. There. You might drown, so don't go near the water.
I found the same among Ghanians & other West Africans. Though there it seems to be especially the sea.
Anywhere in Africa there is the powerful crocodile disincentive to get in to any body of fresh water.
I may be wrong, but aren't crocs saltwater dwellers, and gators freshwater?
There are freshwater crocs everywhere in Africa. Salties confined to Australia afaik.
I once came within a few metres of the world's largest known crocodile. And it survived in one piece.
The European commission president, Ursula von der Leyen, has said her officials have concluded exploratory talks with Moderna, writes Daniel Boffey, the Guardian’s Brussels bureau chief.
Von der Leyen said:
We hope to finalise the contract soon. We do not know at this stage which vaccines will end up being safe and effective. The European Medicines Agency will authorise them only after a robust assessment. And this is why we need to have a broad portfolio of vaccines based on very different technologies in parallel.
Wait so Peston was peddling fake news earlier which our own twatter in chief reposted with no research?!
"The commission has a potential purchase agreement for 80m doses with Moderna with an option to double that amount."
And yet nothing has been signed. Just like with Pfizer. Nothing has been signed. I don't understand what the EU are waiting for, it's legitimately starting to worry me that they are letting financial prudence get in the way of speed and while the UK and US will be most of the way through a vaccine programme by the middle of 2021 they will just be starting out in a lot of Europe where side deals haven't been done. I'm actually genuinely concerned about it because we need Europe to get on top of this as well.
"Nothing has been signed"
You will certainly be aware that the BionTech research was only partly funded by the federal government of Germany, the evil Fourth Reich has thrown in some dirty money, pressed from its vassals, too.
It seems kind of adorable to believe that Mordor could have done that in some bout of altruism, without forcing BionTech under the yoke of preliminary contracts which ensure early access to the vaccine.
AIUI Germany specifically has its own side deal which isn't a huge surprise. My worry is for the wider EU position which is hugely dependent on Curevac and they haven't started PIII trials yet. You seem to think that I'm making some kind of point about it, I'm actually not. The commission needs to just get these deals signed ASAP at whatever the cost. I don't think the UK government order of 5m from Moderna has come cheap and yet they did it anyway, pen to paper delivery in spring 2021.
The sooner we all beat the virus for good the better off we'll all be, your comment is unwarranted.
I fully agree with this statement: "The sooner we all beat the virus for good the better off we'll all be"
But your statement that the US and the UK have got "on top" of this, and that "Europe" needed to follow your world-leadingness, in the comment I replied to, warranted my comment very much, in my view.
That's your problem then. No one is on top of this, the US and UK have got a very strong vaccine portfolio, the EU hasn't. Saying so is just pointing to the fact of the matter. The EU just needs to throw caution to the wind and get these deals signed. Sign the Moderna deal, sign the Pfizer deal. Put pen to paper, get the deliveries scheduled and get vaccination programmes started up.
The EU scheme is failing the citizens of the 27 nations at the moment, they just need to get on with it and deal with their large order of Curevac at some other point.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
Expect a howl of special pleading over what is a "key worker."
Timpsons and Locksmiths....
I know I have only just arrived, but I will now do the hat and coat walk of shame.....
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
Expect a howl of special pleading over what is a "key worker."
Timpsons and Locksmiths....
I know I have only just arrived, but I will now do the hat and coat walk of shame.....
I am not sure heather you saw my post a couple of weeks back, but Timpsons in Burntwood really have put up a sign saying ‘we are key workers, we are staying open.’
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
Expect a howl of special pleading over what is a "key worker."
If teachers are not included, there really will be trouble. We’re fed up enough as it is (and struggling to stay open, as predicted).
I'm almost certain they will be given that schools are one of the major transmission sources.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
Expect a howl of special pleading over what is a "key worker."
Timpsons and Locksmiths....
I know I have only just arrived, but I will now do the hat and coat walk of shame.....
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
And where does that leave healthy adults between 18 and 40 ?
At home.
Can we at least get ahead of the numpties who refuse to take it ?
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
Expect a howl of special pleading over what is a "key worker."
If teachers are not included, there really will be trouble. We’re fed up enough as it is (and struggling to stay open, as predicted).
I'm almost certain they will be given that schools are one of the major transmission sources.
Since when has logic had even a passing acquaintance with this lot?
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
Expect a howl of special pleading over what is a "key worker."
If teachers are not included, there really will be trouble. We’re fed up enough as it is (and struggling to stay open, as predicted).
I'm almost certain they will be given that schools are one of the major transmission sources.
Since when has logic had even a passing acquaintance with this lot?
I do find it amusing that the Tories were just last week shouting that their approach to the vaccine was a huge success. Today they have been scrabbling around trying to spend more of our money to cover their latest problems. Personally I am staggered that we seem to be completely missing the complexity of getting at least 40 million vaccine doses into at least 40 million people. The NHS will not solve this problem easily on their own. The government seems to permanently solving out of date problems. They are still trying to fix testing, but the challenge of today is vaccination and that is a problem they should have started to solve last March.
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
Expect a howl of special pleading over what is a "key worker."
Timpsons and Locksmiths....
I know I have only just arrived, but I will now do the hat and coat walk of shame.....
IMO Japan has the most impressive vaccine portfolio so far, 120m Pfizer doses and 80m Moderna doses all due for Q1 2021 delivery. That's 100m people's worth of vaccine of the two fastest candidates and they both have around 95% effectiveness.
Absolutely smashed it.
Picking winners from vaccines is like trying to predict the premier league scores every week. You can use logic and data, but every round there is a huge amount of luck.
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
Not to everyone, surely. Those who regarded the virus as a hoax, or nothing worse than a cold or mild flu, will surely not want to bother taking it.
Well obviously the likes of Piers Corbyn won't be queuing up to get it.
Without wanting to give too much away, I'm hearing that many many retailers and entertainment/eating venues in the UK will only let in people who can prove they've had the vaccine.
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
I'd be OK with this assuming supply was plentiful. Having to stay inside and not be able to socialise because you weren't yet selected for a vaccine sounds awful.
If it goes to plan, I suspect we'd have the vulnerable and key workers vaccinated by the summer of 2021 and everyone else by some time in 2022.
Expect a howl of special pleading over what is a "key worker."
Timpsons and Locksmiths....
I know I have only just arrived, but I will now do the hat and coat walk of shame.....
I think the current government list of key workers will determine who gets the vaccine first.
Emergency workers. Critical systems workers. NHS Staff. Care home staff. Supermarket staff. Anyone who works for a bank.
The latter one was a brilliant decision by the government.
Teachers notably absent from that list.
You've been usurped by bank workers, fairly I'd say. Sorry.
I don’t need sex. My bank fucks me every day.
But it would be bizarre to have bankers, who can work over the phone, placed ahead of teachers, who are being forced more or less at gunpoint to work in ideal transmission situations without any meaningful protection, in the queue for the vaccine.
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You're right about "your" reading of status. My fault for not being clearer.
Used to be most frustrating at the beach when lifeguards would panic if I went past my knees.
Absolutely smashed it.
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I mean, it's right there above:
"Yes, although it does go the other way, to some extent, as well. The Labour attacks on Sunak's wealth weren't that joyous to witness."
Now carry on fucking off.
How did Slovakia make it work ?
If the Oxford one comes good in 2-3 weeks, UK will have 100+ million doses secured across 3 vaccines all for delivery before realistically we can physically give it to everybody. If that turns out to be the case, the UK will have also smashed it. Worst case scenario, we can already have enough for 1/2 population, which is good going.
The big task now is getting it rolled out to people.
(This research goes back to 2008.)
https://twitter.com/RLCscienceboss/status/1328396325650567168
Basically, I'm a pretty entrepreneurial guy. Making YouTube videos was fun, but it was a job rather than building something bigger.
You will certainly be aware that the BionTech research was only partly funded by the federal government of Germany, the evil Fourth Reich has thrown in some dirty money, pressed from its vassals, too.
It seems kind of adorable to believe that Mordor could have done that in some bout of altruism, without forcing BionTech under the yoke of preliminary contracts which ensure early access to the vaccine.
But I imagine that PB would simply go underground, lurking in the deepest places of the Dark Web where discussion of voting systems and pizza topping can take place away from the prying eyes of the authorities...
--AS
Hopefully all the other vaccines are as efficacious in this way.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54964858
The sooner we all beat the virus for good the better off we'll all be, your comment is unwarranted.
https://twitter.com/JodiDoering/status/1327771330884808710?s=19
I know Ticketmaster US have denied such a policy, but I reckon it is inevitable here and elsewhere.
Go to Cineworld cinemas because we only let in vaccinated people*, eat at Pizza Hut because we only let in vaccinated people* etc etc.
*I suspect they'll also let in people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons.
If that's the case, I feel like people's expectations are not being managed...
I'm really glad Boris Johnson designated me a key worker, he's not such a bad PM all told.
Oh and localised lockdowns if we have some Covid-19 flare ups.
But your statement that the US and the UK have got "on top" of this, and that "Europe" needed to follow your world-leadingness, in the comment I replied to, warranted my comment very much, in my view.
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1328415768086786048
It is inevitable some medically vulnerable people will die after taking the vaccine for reasons unrelated to the vaccine and the idiots who egged on Andrew Wakefield will launch their bullshit.
People will say my mate, Jason on Facebook, who was expelled from school for being an idiot, says he knows the vaccine will kill us if we have a 5G phone, so I'm not taking it.
That will cause some delays.
I know I have only just arrived, but I will now do the hat and coat walk of shame.....
The EU scheme is failing the citizens of the 27 nations at the moment, they just need to get on with it and deal with their large order of Curevac at some other point.
https://twitter.com/elashton/status/1328417861770076160
Emergency workers.
Critical systems workers.
NHS Staff.
Care home staff.
Supermarket staff.
Anyone who works for a bank.
The latter one was a brilliant decision by the government.
But it would be bizarre to have bankers, who can work over the phone, placed ahead of teachers, who are being forced more or less at gunpoint to work in ideal transmission situations without any meaningful protection, in the queue for the vaccine.