Just returned from town before we go into full lockdown tomorrow for two weeks and the outstanding observation was the 100% mask wearing in shops and good social distancing but utter chaos with groups of young people with no social distancing or masks or seemingly not a care in the world
My experience was similar but with a different age group problem: old people not wearing their masks or not wearing them correctly.
The best ones are those who leave the nose uncovered!
Hard to avoid that conclusion really. Sunak has generally got the support about right in the end, but does leave it too late and waits to see how the media is playing out before making decisions, perhaps this approach has some merit but will increase stress and anxiety for all involved.
I don't know what else he has said, but in that tweet he doesn't say it was true, but that the narrative is set. He might well be right. Once people have made up their minds what has happened pointing out contrary facts rarely changes opinion, as your example likely demonstrates.
When Obama got in didn't they insist on not being able to use a load of tech things, only use certain phones etc? But Trump just sits there on his iCrap all day and night with basically zero protection (even if it had been a much harder password, a targeted attack can guess most human readable passwords theses days given a reasonable amount of time*).
* these days your password has to be very long and totally random stream of characters to really offer much protection.
Hard to avoid that conclusion really. Sunak has generally got the support about right in the end, but does leave it too late and waits to see how the media is playing out before making decisions, perhaps this approach has some merit but will increase stress and anxiety for all involved.
I still don't understand the £60m and £22m but it does seem that for the want of £5m he has burned the Cons' reputation in the North.
The EU telling us we cant call vegetarian burgers and sausages "burgers" or "sausages" might cause a few wokies to defect to Leave!
And vice versa no doubt
I bought a blt from a place I didnt realise was veggie only. Realised no bacon and never been back as did feel "tricked" rather than the food being bad.
Calling them veggie burgers completely fine with me, but calling them just "burgers" does feel misleading. Id feel the same about chicken burgers, if I ordered a burger and got a chicken burger technically Ive got what I ordered, but not really.
Yeah. I thought they were saying the food couldn't be labelled "plant based burger", as if a burger had to be made of meat. Maybe I got that wrong, but if so seems wrong. A burger or a sausage can be made of anything cant they?
To be fair, the EU are voting on it, not demanding it - but it is a vote on whether non meat products can be called "Sausage" or "burger". I think that is a bit silly, but maybe I dont know what constitutes a burger or a sausage
Either 538 missed them or is glitching (entirely possible) or Civiqs has chosen now to release polls showing that, over spring and early summer, Biden's position improved. Who knew?
538 scrapes the pollsters websites automatically - this means that it can "reimport" polls if something changes on the underlying site (and this happens surprisngly often)
Looked it up. It's more Hunter Biden e-mail stuff.
Anything to do with Joe at all?
Supposedly. But he's specifically not referred to by name in the e-mails.
Seems like FOX will be running with it so you'll know about it soon without having to go to the effort of typing "Joe Biden" into Twitter and then clicking Latest (secret research tool)
O/T. Good header from Nick Palmer. Having known a few Tory MPs, some who are no longer, but a couple who are still there and who, it might be said are somewhat uncomfortable with the direction it has taken, I think the crux is that most, if not all Con MPs, have had very long relationships and friendships with people who are also Tories. It takes a lot of guts to effectively betray, or be seen to betray, all these people quite intentionally. I am sure the same must be of those that are in other parties.
As for the vehicle that is the LDs, many Tories hate them more than Labour. I suggested to a friend of mine who is a rare breed nowadays; a moderate Tory councillor, who had told me he was not voting Tory at the GE that "why not the LDs?" and he looked at me as if I had suggested voting for the Nazi Party!
Ha ha yes hating the Lib Dems is one thing that Labour and Tory die-hards tend to agree on.
Even some quite sensible party members can talk of 'betrayal' when the LDs stand and split the vote, as though they are not their own distinct entity.
I wonder what's been agreed on state aid, that seemed the most intractable earlier.
Fish if it's all that's left ought to be fixable because if there's no deal the EU get no fish at all from our waters.
I did wonder about state aid (which shouldn't be a problem as the UK does it much less than many EU members), LPF (which may be more intractable if the EU wants the UK to match them in perpetuity) - and fish will be smoke & mirrors. Additionally "enforcement mechanism" may be tricky given the IMB shenanigans...
"The 83-year-old who spoke for a nation: Ex-housekeeper Maureen from Barnsley who said she 'doesn't give a sod' about Tier 3 survived Covid, is not a fan of Matt Hancock and laughs off calls for her to be PM
Maureen, 83, from Barnsley, South Yorkshire, became celebrity overnight after Tier 3 'don't give a sod' remark She is a parish councillor of 50 years and has revealed she and her husband Michael both beat coronavirus She spoke following the announcement by officials that the region would enter Tier 3 this weekend The pensioner was hailed by social media fans for her straight talking manner and direct opinions"
For a start, both untruths misexpress things that probably are true. Maggie's treatment of the miners (as opposed to their union leaders) probably was more brutal than it needed to be. Rishi's autumn bailout probably started too stingy and the improvement has come too late and that has hurt people in the north.
And misleading simplifications- using an untruth to express a deeper truth- is a standard part of the politician's toolbox. Labour isn't working. Don't let [Cameron] take Britain back to the 1980s. Politicians complaining about it are like fish complaining about water.
And, lets be honest, if you make Boris Johnson your leader, you deserve everything you get, misleading slogan-wise.
Yes but that was because Obama had much more appeal to African American voters than Hillary Clinton and Biden and Trump has much more appeal to white working class voters in the rustbelt than Romney did
I wonder what's been agreed on state aid, that seemed the most intractable earlier.
I'll bet 'figure it out later amd fudge for the time being'.
That would be a great victory for the UK if so.
I am struggling to think of anything whatsoever that you would not categorise as a great victory for the UK.
That you see it in those terms is also telling but not surprising.
It is quite simple really: The EU are trying to tie us down, the UK is trying not to be tied down.
If it's a fudge then the UK hasn't been tied down. Victory UK. If the UK is obliged to dynamically follow EU rules then that would be something I'd oppose.
Hard to avoid that conclusion really. Sunak has generally got the support about right in the end, but does leave it too late and waits to see how the media is playing out before making decisions, perhaps this approach has some merit but will increase stress and anxiety for all involved.
I still don't understand the £60m and £22m but it does seem that for the want of £5m he has burned the Cons' reputation in the North.
Its not that difficult.
£22m extra to enforce the new restrictions and support vulnerable people £60m to support businesses, which in turn helps employees
The govt thought it could avoid paying the £60m if local politicians didnt sign up - that bluff worked with Lancashire who said they only signed up because of the fear of zero grant, but it turned out to be another case of the govt holding 72o rather than AA. As you say £65m instead of £60m would have got the Manchester politicians supporting it, which in turn would give the measures better compliance and have caused the government less damage politically.
When Obama got in didn't they insist on not being able to use a load of tech things, only use certain phones etc? But Trump just sits there on his iCrap all day and night with basically zero protection (even if it had been a much harder password, a targeted attack can guess most human readable passwords theses days given a reasonable amount of time*).
* these days your password has to be very long and totally random stream of characters to really offer much protection.
Yep. Reputedly Obama's Blackberry was customised with the NSA's own Suite A cryptographic algorithms replacing the stock software, and used exclusively through White House Communication Agency run base stations so effectively on its own private network with a human-in-the-loop around the clock.
Looked it up. It's more Hunter Biden e-mail stuff.
More nonsense then?
I wonder what it was about that which got contrarian so excited?
Unless the NY Post or Giuliani (who may be busy dealing with other things) release the email headers the story is worthless. If you claim you have some incriminating emails you need to prove that said email was sent not forged, it's quite easy to do, but as yet the accusers have not done so.
The EU telling us we cant call vegetarian burgers and sausages "burgers" or "sausages" might cause a few wokies to defect to Leave!
And vice versa no doubt
I bought a blt from a place I didnt realise was veggie only. Realised no bacon and never been back as did feel "tricked" rather than the food being bad.
Calling them veggie burgers completely fine with me, but calling them just "burgers" does feel misleading. Id feel the same about chicken burgers, if I ordered a burger and got a chicken burger technically Ive got what I ordered, but not really.
Yeah. I thought they were saying the food couldn't be labelled "plant based burger", as if a burger had to be made of meat. Maybe I got that wrong, but if so seems wrong. A burger or a sausage can be made of anything cant they?
To be fair, the EU are voting on it, not demanding it - but it is a vote on whether non meat products can be called "Sausage" or "burger". I think that is a bit silly, but maybe I dont know what constitutes a burger or a sausage
Fish are too easy. People just trawl though the dictionary and you end up with a congeries of second rate puns, while the real dabs clam up and sit pouting on the sidelines.
Hard to avoid that conclusion really. Sunak has generally got the support about right in the end, but does leave it too late and waits to see how the media is playing out before making decisions, perhaps this approach has some merit but will increase stress and anxiety for all involved.
I still don't understand the £60m and £22m but it does seem that for the want of £5m he has burned the Cons' reputation in the North.
Its not that difficult.
£22m extra to enforce the new restrictions and support vulnerable people £60m to support businesses, which in turn helps employees
The govt thought it could avoid paying the £60m if local politicians didnt sign up - that bluff worked with Lancashire who said they only signed up because of the fear of zero grant, but it turned out to be another case of the govt holding 72o rather than AA. As you say £65m instead of £60m would have got the Manchester politicians supporting it, which in turn would give the measures better compliance and have caused the government less damage politically.
"£60m to support business which in turn helps employees" was not what was described in the news reports yesterday. It was a lump sum that the council could use to top up furlough wages. And there was no mention of the £22m at the time of these negotiations (ie yesterday).
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The EU telling us we cant call vegetarian burgers and sausages "burgers" or "sausages" might cause a few wokies to defect to Leave!
And vice versa no doubt
I bought a blt from a place I didnt realise was veggie only. Realised no bacon and never been back as did feel "tricked" rather than the food being bad.
Calling them veggie burgers completely fine with me, but calling them just "burgers" does feel misleading. Id feel the same about chicken burgers, if I ordered a burger and got a chicken burger technically Ive got what I ordered, but not really.
Yeah. I thought they were saying the food couldn't be labelled "plant based burger", as if a burger had to be made of meat. Maybe I got that wrong, but if so seems wrong. A burger or a sausage can be made of anything cant they?
To be fair, the EU are voting on it, not demanding it - but it is a vote on whether non meat products can be called "Sausage" or "burger". I think that is a bit silly, but maybe I dont know what constitutes a burger or a sausage
Hard to avoid that conclusion really. Sunak has generally got the support about right in the end, but does leave it too late and waits to see how the media is playing out before making decisions, perhaps this approach has some merit but will increase stress and anxiety for all involved.
I still don't understand the £60m and £22m but it does seem that for the want of £5m he has burned the Cons' reputation in the North.
Its not that difficult.
£22m extra to enforce the new restrictions and support vulnerable people £60m to support businesses, which in turn helps employees
The govt thought it could avoid paying the £60m if local politicians didnt sign up - that bluff worked with Lancashire who said they only signed up because of the fear of zero grant, but it turned out to be another case of the govt holding 72o rather than AA. As you say £65m instead of £60m would have got the Manchester politicians supporting it, which in turn would give the measures better compliance and have caused the government less damage politically.
Yes. Also, I can't help thinking that if the package Sunak announced today had been announced a couple of weeks, or longer, ago, when it was clear that hospitality was going to be damaged by Tier 2, then negotiations with Andy Burnham would have been easier from the start. I suspect the government has cocked up here, with a bit of dithering. The fact that Sunak is backdating some of the measures to August sort of gives the game away.
Hard to avoid that conclusion really. Sunak has generally got the support about right in the end, but does leave it too late and waits to see how the media is playing out before making decisions, perhaps this approach has some merit but will increase stress and anxiety for all involved.
I still don't understand the £60m and £22m but it does seem that for the want of £5m he has burned the Cons' reputation in the North.
Its not that difficult.
£22m extra to enforce the new restrictions and support vulnerable people £60m to support businesses, which in turn helps employees
The govt thought it could avoid paying the £60m if local politicians didnt sign up - that bluff worked with Lancashire who said they only signed up because of the fear of zero grant, but it turned out to be another case of the govt holding 72o rather than AA. As you say £65m instead of £60m would have got the Manchester politicians supporting it, which in turn would give the measures better compliance and have caused the government less damage politically.
Yes. Also, I can't help thinking that if the package Sunak announced today had been announced a couple of weeks, or longer, ago, when it was clear that hospitality was going to be damaged by Tier 2, then negotiations with Andy Burnham would have been easier from the start. I suspect the government has cocked up here, with a bit of dithering.
Someone was evidently very keen to stop Andy from having a victory. And in that light the £5m makes a lot of sense.
They couldn't give in because that would a) mean Andy had won; and b) shoot today's fox.
Has the Boris-inator had anything worthwhile to say at this press briefing, or is it just Dishi announcing all the magic money forest stuff?
There was a bit of public shaming over lockdown compliance off the back of that imperfect study whenever the effectiveness of test and trace was mentioned.
The EU telling us we cant call vegetarian burgers and sausages "burgers" or "sausages" might cause a few wokies to defect to Leave!
And vice versa no doubt
I bought a blt from a place I didnt realise was veggie only. Realised no bacon and never been back as did feel "tricked" rather than the food being bad.
Calling them veggie burgers completely fine with me, but calling them just "burgers" does feel misleading. Id feel the same about chicken burgers, if I ordered a burger and got a chicken burger technically Ive got what I ordered, but not really.
Yeah. I thought they were saying the food couldn't be labelled "plant based burger", as if a burger had to be made of meat. Maybe I got that wrong, but if so seems wrong. A burger or a sausage can be made of anything cant they?
To be fair, the EU are voting on it, not demanding it - but it is a vote on whether non meat products can be called "Sausage" or "burger". I think that is a bit silly, but maybe I dont know what constitutes a burger or a sausage
(1) Either someone at the conference said something... and it's spread or (2) Someone thought that with the conference on, it would be a good time to spread the rumour
The EU telling us we cant call vegetarian burgers and sausages "burgers" or "sausages" might cause a few wokies to defect to Leave!
And vice versa no doubt
I bought a blt from a place I didnt realise was veggie only. Realised no bacon and never been back as did feel "tricked" rather than the food being bad.
Calling them veggie burgers completely fine with me, but calling them just "burgers" does feel misleading. Id feel the same about chicken burgers, if I ordered a burger and got a chicken burger technically Ive got what I ordered, but not really.
Yeah. I thought they were saying the food couldn't be labelled "plant based burger", as if a burger had to be made of meat. Maybe I got that wrong, but if so seems wrong. A burger or a sausage can be made of anything cant they?
To be fair, the EU are voting on it, not demanding it - but it is a vote on whether non meat products can be called "Sausage" or "burger". I think that is a bit silly, but maybe I dont know what constitutes a burger or a sausage
The EU telling us we cant call vegetarian burgers and sausages "burgers" or "sausages" might cause a few wokies to defect to Leave!
And vice versa no doubt
I bought a blt from a place I didnt realise was veggie only. Realised no bacon and never been back as did feel "tricked" rather than the food being bad.
Calling them veggie burgers completely fine with me, but calling them just "burgers" does feel misleading. Id feel the same about chicken burgers, if I ordered a burger and got a chicken burger technically Ive got what I ordered, but not really.
Yeah. I thought they were saying the food couldn't be labelled "plant based burger", as if a burger had to be made of meat. Maybe I got that wrong, but if so seems wrong. A burger or a sausage can be made of anything cant they?
To be fair, the EU are voting on it, not demanding it - but it is a vote on whether non meat products can be called "Sausage" or "burger". I think that is a bit silly, but maybe I dont know what constitutes a burger or a sausage
The EU telling us we cant call vegetarian burgers and sausages "burgers" or "sausages" might cause a few wokies to defect to Leave!
And vice versa no doubt
I bought a blt from a place I didnt realise was veggie only. Realised no bacon and never been back as did feel "tricked" rather than the food being bad.
Calling them veggie burgers completely fine with me, but calling them just "burgers" does feel misleading. Id feel the same about chicken burgers, if I ordered a burger and got a chicken burger technically Ive got what I ordered, but not really.
Yeah. I thought they were saying the food couldn't be labelled "plant based burger", as if a burger had to be made of meat. Maybe I got that wrong, but if so seems wrong. A burger or a sausage can be made of anything cant they?
To be fair, the EU are voting on it, not demanding it - but it is a vote on whether non meat products can be called "Sausage" or "burger". I think that is a bit silly, but maybe I dont know what constitutes a burger or a sausage
The EU telling us we cant call vegetarian burgers and sausages "burgers" or "sausages" might cause a few wokies to defect to Leave!
And vice versa no doubt
I bought a blt from a place I didnt realise was veggie only. Realised no bacon and never been back as did feel "tricked" rather than the food being bad.
Calling them veggie burgers completely fine with me, but calling them just "burgers" does feel misleading. Id feel the same about chicken burgers, if I ordered a burger and got a chicken burger technically Ive got what I ordered, but not really.
Yeah. I thought they were saying the food couldn't be labelled "plant based burger", as if a burger had to be made of meat. Maybe I got that wrong, but if so seems wrong. A burger or a sausage can be made of anything cant they?
To be fair, the EU are voting on it, not demanding it - but it is a vote on whether non meat products can be called "Sausage" or "burger". I think that is a bit silly, but maybe I dont know what constitutes a burger or a sausage
The EU telling us we cant call vegetarian burgers and sausages "burgers" or "sausages" might cause a few wokies to defect to Leave!
And vice versa no doubt
I bought a blt from a place I didnt realise was veggie only. Realised no bacon and never been back as did feel "tricked" rather than the food being bad.
Calling them veggie burgers completely fine with me, but calling them just "burgers" does feel misleading. Id feel the same about chicken burgers, if I ordered a burger and got a chicken burger technically Ive got what I ordered, but not really.
Yeah. I thought they were saying the food couldn't be labelled "plant based burger", as if a burger had to be made of meat. Maybe I got that wrong, but if so seems wrong. A burger or a sausage can be made of anything cant they?
To be fair, the EU are voting on it, not demanding it - but it is a vote on whether non meat products can be called "Sausage" or "burger". I think that is a bit silly, but maybe I dont know what constitutes a burger or a sausage
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain confirmed details of its route to citizenship for almost three million people in its former colony Hong Kong, saying in a statement that there would be no quota on numbers and that a five-year visa would cost 250 pounds ($330) per person.
Hard to avoid that conclusion really. Sunak has generally got the support about right in the end, but does leave it too late and waits to see how the media is playing out before making decisions, perhaps this approach has some merit but will increase stress and anxiety for all involved.
I still don't understand the £60m and £22m but it does seem that for the want of £5m he has burned the Cons' reputation in the North.
Its not that difficult.
£22m extra to enforce the new restrictions and support vulnerable people £60m to support businesses, which in turn helps employees
The govt thought it could avoid paying the £60m if local politicians didnt sign up - that bluff worked with Lancashire who said they only signed up because of the fear of zero grant, but it turned out to be another case of the govt holding 72o rather than AA. As you say £65m instead of £60m would have got the Manchester politicians supporting it, which in turn would give the measures better compliance and have caused the government less damage politically.
"£60m to support business which in turn helps employees" was not what was described in the news reports yesterday. It was a lump sum that the council could use to top up furlough wages. And there was no mention of the £22m at the time of these negotiations (ie yesterday).
But I'm glad it is clear.
Fair enough its being reported in an unclear way, but thats whats happening.
Councils could try and use the money to directly top up furlough wages but that would be very bureaucratic and difficult for businesses, HMRC and the council. Far simpler would be to find a proxy for furlough wages, and councils give grants to restricted businesses, perhaps based on headcount.
AIUI the £22m wasnt negotiated but allocated, so wouldnt necessarily it to be reported together with the £60m.
Hard to avoid that conclusion really. Sunak has generally got the support about right in the end, but does leave it too late and waits to see how the media is playing out before making decisions, perhaps this approach has some merit but will increase stress and anxiety for all involved.
I still don't understand the £60m and £22m but it does seem that for the want of £5m he has burned the Cons' reputation in the North.
Its not that difficult.
£22m extra to enforce the new restrictions and support vulnerable people £60m to support businesses, which in turn helps employees
The govt thought it could avoid paying the £60m if local politicians didnt sign up - that bluff worked with Lancashire who said they only signed up because of the fear of zero grant, but it turned out to be another case of the govt holding 72o rather than AA. As you say £65m instead of £60m would have got the Manchester politicians supporting it, which in turn would give the measures better compliance and have caused the government less damage politically.
"£60m to support business which in turn helps employees" was not what was described in the news reports yesterday. It was a lump sum that the council could use to top up furlough wages. And there was no mention of the £22m at the time of these negotiations (ie yesterday).
But I'm glad it is clear.
Fair enough its being reported in an unclear way, but thats whats happening.
Councils could try and use the money to directly top up furlough wages but that would be very bureaucratic and difficult for businesses, HMRC and the council. Far simpler would be to find a proxy for furlough wages, and councils give grants to restricted businesses, perhaps based on headcount.
AIUI the £22m wasnt negotiated but allocated, so wouldnt necessarily it to be reported together with the £60m.
It is confusing.
And also ancient history. But...this is what Andy Burnham thought it was for:
The EU telling us we cant call vegetarian burgers and sausages "burgers" or "sausages" might cause a few wokies to defect to Leave!
And vice versa no doubt
I bought a blt from a place I didnt realise was veggie only. Realised no bacon and never been back as did feel "tricked" rather than the food being bad.
Calling them veggie burgers completely fine with me, but calling them just "burgers" does feel misleading. Id feel the same about chicken burgers, if I ordered a burger and got a chicken burger technically Ive got what I ordered, but not really.
Yeah. I thought they were saying the food couldn't be labelled "plant based burger", as if a burger had to be made of meat. Maybe I got that wrong, but if so seems wrong. A burger or a sausage can be made of anything cant they?
To be fair, the EU are voting on it, not demanding it - but it is a vote on whether non meat products can be called "Sausage" or "burger". I think that is a bit silly, but maybe I dont know what constitutes a burger or a sausage
Hard to avoid that conclusion really. Sunak has generally got the support about right in the end, but does leave it too late and waits to see how the media is playing out before making decisions, perhaps this approach has some merit but will increase stress and anxiety for all involved.
I still don't understand the £60m and £22m but it does seem that for the want of £5m he has burned the Cons' reputation in the North.
Its not that difficult.
£22m extra to enforce the new restrictions and support vulnerable people £60m to support businesses, which in turn helps employees
The govt thought it could avoid paying the £60m if local politicians didnt sign up - that bluff worked with Lancashire who said they only signed up because of the fear of zero grant, but it turned out to be another case of the govt holding 72o rather than AA. As you say £65m instead of £60m would have got the Manchester politicians supporting it, which in turn would give the measures better compliance and have caused the government less damage politically.
Yes. Also, I can't help thinking that if the package Sunak announced today had been announced a couple of weeks, or longer, ago, when it was clear that hospitality was going to be damaged by Tier 2, then negotiations with Andy Burnham would have been easier from the start. I suspect the government has cocked up here, with a bit of dithering. The fact that Sunak is backdating some of the measures to August sort of gives the game away.
The backdating means that the government are now effectively giving more support to the businesses than Manchester asked for in the first place! And we locked down 10 days later than intended during which however many extra cases and deaths will have occurred.
The EU telling us we cant call vegetarian burgers and sausages "burgers" or "sausages" might cause a few wokies to defect to Leave!
And vice versa no doubt
I bought a blt from a place I didnt realise was veggie only. Realised no bacon and never been back as did feel "tricked" rather than the food being bad.
Calling them veggie burgers completely fine with me, but calling them just "burgers" does feel misleading. Id feel the same about chicken burgers, if I ordered a burger and got a chicken burger technically Ive got what I ordered, but not really.
Yeah. I thought they were saying the food couldn't be labelled "plant based burger", as if a burger had to be made of meat. Maybe I got that wrong, but if so seems wrong. A burger or a sausage can be made of anything cant they?
To be fair, the EU are voting on it, not demanding it - but it is a vote on whether non meat products can be called "Sausage" or "burger". I think that is a bit silly, but maybe I dont know what constitutes a burger or a sausage
The EU telling us we cant call vegetarian burgers and sausages "burgers" or "sausages" might cause a few wokies to defect to Leave!
And vice versa no doubt
I bought a blt from a place I didnt realise was veggie only. Realised no bacon and never been back as did feel "tricked" rather than the food being bad.
Calling them veggie burgers completely fine with me, but calling them just "burgers" does feel misleading. Id feel the same about chicken burgers, if I ordered a burger and got a chicken burger technically Ive got what I ordered, but not really.
Yeah. I thought they were saying the food couldn't be labelled "plant based burger", as if a burger had to be made of meat. Maybe I got that wrong, but if so seems wrong. A burger or a sausage can be made of anything cant they?
To be fair, the EU are voting on it, not demanding it - but it is a vote on whether non meat products can be called "Sausage" or "burger". I think that is a bit silly, but maybe I dont know what constitutes a burger or a sausage
The EU telling us we cant call vegetarian burgers and sausages "burgers" or "sausages" might cause a few wokies to defect to Leave!
And vice versa no doubt
I bought a blt from a place I didnt realise was veggie only. Realised no bacon and never been back as did feel "tricked" rather than the food being bad.
Calling them veggie burgers completely fine with me, but calling them just "burgers" does feel misleading. Id feel the same about chicken burgers, if I ordered a burger and got a chicken burger technically Ive got what I ordered, but not really.
Yeah. I thought they were saying the food couldn't be labelled "plant based burger", as if a burger had to be made of meat. Maybe I got that wrong, but if so seems wrong. A burger or a sausage can be made of anything cant they?
To be fair, the EU are voting on it, not demanding it - but it is a vote on whether non meat products can be called "Sausage" or "burger". I think that is a bit silly, but maybe I dont know what constitutes a burger or a sausage
Hard to avoid that conclusion really. Sunak has generally got the support about right in the end, but does leave it too late and waits to see how the media is playing out before making decisions, perhaps this approach has some merit but will increase stress and anxiety for all involved.
I still don't understand the £60m and £22m but it does seem that for the want of £5m he has burned the Cons' reputation in the North.
Its not that difficult.
£22m extra to enforce the new restrictions and support vulnerable people £60m to support businesses, which in turn helps employees
The govt thought it could avoid paying the £60m if local politicians didnt sign up - that bluff worked with Lancashire who said they only signed up because of the fear of zero grant, but it turned out to be another case of the govt holding 72o rather than AA. As you say £65m instead of £60m would have got the Manchester politicians supporting it, which in turn would give the measures better compliance and have caused the government less damage politically.
"£60m to support business which in turn helps employees" was not what was described in the news reports yesterday. It was a lump sum that the council could use to top up furlough wages. And there was no mention of the £22m at the time of these negotiations (ie yesterday).
But I'm glad it is clear.
Fair enough its being reported in an unclear way, but thats whats happening.
Councils could try and use the money to directly top up furlough wages but that would be very bureaucratic and difficult for businesses, HMRC and the council. Far simpler would be to find a proxy for furlough wages, and councils give grants to restricted businesses, perhaps based on headcount.
AIUI the £22m wasnt negotiated but allocated, so wouldnt necessarily it to be reported together with the £60m.
It is confusing.
And also ancient history. But...this is what Andy Burnham thought it was for:
Yes he asked for an amount of support equivalent to the gap to 80% furlough. It is not the case, despite the press misreporting, that the mechanism would be "boosted local furlough".
I wonder what's been agreed on state aid, that seemed the most intractable earlier.
I'll bet 'figure it out later amd fudge for the time being'.
Quite likely. State Aid is hypothetical until the EU decides the UK government has infringed its rules, then the shit hits the fan. Fish - people at sea are actually catching the things. It's a Day 1 issue.
On topic, I would say Kate Hoey, Gisella Stewart etc de facto defected from Labour to the Tories. Labour for Leave was effectively a front organisation. I never understood why they bought the hard capitalist version of Brexit when they could have gone for a more socialist version.
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Given the emphasis they put on Clinton and her email security it once again shows their complete hypocrisy and incompetence.
* these days your password has to be very long and totally random stream of characters to really offer much protection.
I wonder what it was about that which got contrarian so excited?
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Seems like FOX will be running with it so you'll know about it soon without having to go to the effort of typing "Joe Biden" into Twitter and then clicking Latest (secret research tool)
Where's @ydoethur when we need him?
Fish if it's all that's left ought to be fixable because if there's no deal the EU get no fish at all from our waters.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1319300515478622218
That you see it in those terms is also telling but not surprising.
For a start, both untruths misexpress things that probably are true. Maggie's treatment of the miners (as opposed to their union leaders) probably was more brutal than it needed to be. Rishi's autumn bailout probably started too stingy and the improvement has come too late and that has hurt people in the north.
And misleading simplifications- using an untruth to express a deeper truth- is a standard part of the politician's toolbox. Labour isn't working. Don't let [Cameron] take Britain back to the 1980s. Politicians complaining about it are like fish complaining about water.
And, lets be honest, if you make Boris Johnson your leader, you deserve everything you get, misleading slogan-wise.
If it's a fudge then the UK hasn't been tied down. Victory UK. If the UK is obliged to dynamically follow EU rules then that would be something I'd oppose.
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1319294412338450432?s=20
£22m extra to enforce the new restrictions and support vulnerable people
£60m to support businesses, which in turn helps employees
The govt thought it could avoid paying the £60m if local politicians didnt sign up - that bluff worked with Lancashire who said they only signed up because of the fear of zero grant, but it turned out to be another case of the govt holding 72o rather than AA. As you say £65m instead of £60m would have got the Manchester politicians supporting it, which in turn would give the measures better compliance and have caused the government less damage politically.
No opinion either way as to its veracity, as it seems entirely possible, even if inadequately evidenced.
ComRes seems to be an outlier, this seems intuitively accurate to me
But I'm glad it is clear.
Don’t be fooled, voting experts and academics say. Early vote counts in the most competitive, battleground states can be particularly misleading this election because of the surge in mail-in or absentee ballots, and the different ways that they are processed.
https://tinyurl.com/y6qagtyg
They couldn't give in because that would a) mean Andy had won; and b) shoot today's fox.
Seems this should be Trafalgar's business tagline.
(1) Either someone at the conference said something... and it's spread
or
(2) Someone thought that with the conference on, it would be a good time to spread the rumour
Still MOE stuff though.
Is that OG?
From either side's point of view, it's surely just a sprat to catch a mackerel ?
In interviews, he struggles.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1319306305027280897
https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1319303614045868039?s=20
https://tinyurl.com/yxwfgskp
Councils could try and use the money to directly top up furlough wages but that would be very bureaucratic and difficult for businesses, HMRC and the council. Far simpler would be to find a proxy for furlough wages, and councils give grants to restricted businesses, perhaps based on headcount.
AIUI the £22m wasnt negotiated but allocated, so wouldnt necessarily it to be reported together with the £60m.
And also ancient history. But...this is what Andy Burnham thought it was for:
https://twitter.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/1318793797019500546
Given the way Trump is complaining about it the fact that no snippets have been posted yet makes it seem a bit much ado about nothing.
On topic, I would say Kate Hoey, Gisella Stewart etc de facto defected from Labour to the Tories. Labour for Leave was effectively a front organisation. I never understood why they bought the hard capitalist version of Brexit when they could have gone for a more socialist version.
ROFL