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  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    For reference 100% turnout in Texas 2020 would be 189% of the 2016 turnout. This provides some context for the current figure of 59.2%

    Er no. That ElectProjects 59.2% turnout in Texas is as a percentage of the 2016 turnout... so "100% turnout" on that chart would be, er... 100% of the 2016 turnout.

    But @ Lostpassword, even 59.2% of the 2016 is 31.32% of the 2020 registered voters. That is still mightily impressive at this early stage.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    That's what happens....all you need is a firebrand like Burnham and the whole Party comes alive!
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Roger said:

    That's what happens....all you need is a firebrand like Burnham and the whole Party comes alive!
    30 seconds for GBP8? GBP960 per hour? I want that work
  • DAlexanderDAlexander Posts: 815
    edited October 2020
    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Awks...

    Sky said Darren Lumsden's face inking of the number 88 was in memory of the year his late father Trevor lost his life - and nothing to do with a code, fashioned around the numerical order of letters in the alphabet, meaning Heil Hitler.

    But today his 66-year-old parent revealed he was very much alive - and living in a smart three-storey house in Bristol, not far from his carpenter son.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8863181/Father-death-used-Sky-explain-contestants-Nazi-style-tattoo-alive.html

    Maybe he's a fan of 1988 pop music. Brother Beyond, etc.
    Phil Collins had a hit in 1988 with A Groovy Kind of Love. He's not having such a good time of it now.

    https://twitter.com/TheCut/status/1318895987302215680
    Sad to see. He did some good work. That percussive explosion in the middle of "I Can Feel It (coming in the air tonight)" can even now get me sitting up and smashing a set of imaginary drums if I've had a few.
    That's got to be a euphemism for something.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Have we done the SurveyUSA poll? Rated "A" on 538.

    Biden 53% (-)
    Trump 43% (-)

    Changes with 5th October. I.e. no change.

    63% plan to vote early.

    Of those 63% more than half (well 51%) have already voted.

    There is an implicit turnout calculation you can do from that.
    0.63 * 0.51 * 40 million ? Implied turnout of 124.5 million.. seems low.
    That seems inconceivably low.

    Shy Trump voters not responding to polls makes up another 20 million?
    And I'm not saying that as a piss take.
    Isn't there we're reading too much into this given the shenanigans the Governor tried at the start of this campaign.
    The Govenor? This was a national poll.
    Oops, mea culpa, I thought the extrapolation was from Texas.
    The 40 million is the suspect figure. Excludes NY for one.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,425
    TimT said:

    For reference 100% turnout in Texas 2020 would be 189% of the 2016 turnout. This provides some context for the current figure of 59.2%

    Er no. That ElectProjects 59.2% turnout in Texas is as a percentage of the 2016 turnout... so "100% turnout" on that chart would be, er... 100% of the 2016 turnout.

    But @ Lostpassword, even 59.2% of the 2016 is 31.32% of the 2020 registered voters. That is still mightily impressive at this early stage.
    By "context" I was not implying that the turnout to date was unimpressive, I was merely providing the context to make that judgement as I didn't have any, not knowing what the turnout was in 2016, or how much the electorate had grown.

    After looking up those figures I thought that other people would be interested in the result.
  • Roger said:

    That's what happens....all you need is a firebrand like Burnham and the whole Party comes alive!
    Thinking about other Labour election winners, isn't their formula for success a "respectable" leader, firebrands in the team and mutual respect and understanding of their roles between the two?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    edited October 2020
    Electproject's early vote is going to be an understatement because of stuff like this.

    Hello Idaho!

    Or really, just Ada County. @IDSecOfState
    wants me to purchase their absentee data, so I decided to go ahead and post data for Ada County, which is provided through the local election office

    Also the New York data is not right, I know of 1 voter who has definitely voted early from Manchester (Vote will be counted as Brooklyn)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    TimT said:

    For reference 100% turnout in Texas 2020 would be 189% of the 2016 turnout. This provides some context for the current figure of 59.2%

    Er no. That ElectProjects 59.2% turnout in Texas is as a percentage of the 2016 turnout... so "100% turnout" on that chart would be, er... 100% of the 2016 turnout.

    But @ Lostpassword, even 59.2% of the 2016 is 31.32% of the 2020 registered voters. That is still mightily impressive at this early stage.

    It is. But y'know, Covid and all.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,425

    For reference 100% turnout in Texas 2020 would be 189% of the 2016 turnout. This provides some context for the current figure of 59.2%

    Er no. That ElectProjects 59.2% turnout in Texas is as a percentage of the 2016 turnout... so "100% turnout" on that chart would be, er... 100% of the 2016 turnout.
    You misunderstand.

    The highest figure on the ElectProjects map for Texas would be 189% of the 2016 turnout. This would be a 100% turnout of 2020 registered voters.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,884
    IshmaelZ said:

    Carnyx said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    "All current approaches seem reactive and focused only on the next few weeks."

    Fair enough, but there is a huge class of problems to which reactive, short term approaches are all that's available: shaving one's face, mowing one's lawn, cleaning one's house, painting the Forth Bridge. A long-term framework within which to take repeated temporary remedial action may be all that's available. Certainly there has been concerted action in the last month to introduce us to the idea that taking a vaccine may be just an enhancement of the current strategy rather than a replacement of it.

    To modify your metaphor - new technology has enabled the painters to take quite long breaks off painting the Forth Bridge. Which extends it nicely, of course, to the vaccine being an enhancement and partial replacement ...
    But the house-cleaning thing is intractable. No matter how scrupulously you do it, in six months' time you have to do it all over again.
    I quite agree. But the painters get more than a few years off - the cycle is now 25 years. I suppose that's equivalent in some people's views to a 6-month cycle with the vacuum though!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited October 2020
    Roger said:

    That's what happens....all you need is a firebrand like Burnham and the whole Party comes alive!
    All going so well, until...

    Did the Honourable Lady Just Call Me Scum?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbQkT-PC_QE&
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    TimT said:

    For reference 100% turnout in Texas 2020 would be 189% of the 2016 turnout. This provides some context for the current figure of 59.2%

    Er no. That ElectProjects 59.2% turnout in Texas is as a percentage of the 2016 turnout... so "100% turnout" on that chart would be, er... 100% of the 2016 turnout.

    But @ Lostpassword, even 59.2% of the 2016 is 31.32% of the 2020 registered voters. That is still mightily impressive at this early stage.
    By "context" I was not implying that the turnout to date was unimpressive, I was merely providing the context to make that judgement as I didn't have any, not knowing what the turnout was in 2016, or how much the electorate had grown.

    After looking up those figures I thought that other people would be interested in the result.
    Yep, it will take significant increases in the absolute vote just to hold the percentage of the electorate voting steady. So the two largest counties in TX last week saw 17% increases in the vote, but a fall in the percentage of the electorate having voted at that stage.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    TimT said:

    Roger said:

    That's what happens....all you need is a firebrand like Burnham and the whole Party comes alive!
    30 seconds for GBP8? GBP960 per hour? I want that work
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/private-test-and-trace-consultants-paid-7000-a-day-by-government-a4570946.html

    £7,000 for an 8 hour day is £875 an hour
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    We've had the following state polls today so far, that are all very good for Biden.

    Civiqs Florida
    Biden 51%
    Trump 47%

    Civiqs Nevada
    Biden 52%
    Trump 43%

    Suffolk University Pennsylvania
    Biden 49%
    Trump 42%

    Does HYUFD just do the good Trump ones?
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006

    felix said:

    nichomar said:

    nichomar said:

    Stocky said:

    Nigelb said:

    I like the comment on the last thread that Marcus Rashford is "pretty well off"

    He earns a million quid a month.

    The rhetorical device of understatement is a new one on you, then ?
    Wait until NerysHughes finds out that Rashford advocates mask wearing.
    Any logiical person would see that I have been proved right on mask wearing, it has not helped at all.

    In regards to Marcus Rashford I have no idea why he was given an MBE . If he managed to persuade his fellow premiership footballers to give up 1% of their salaries to feed children then he would deserve it.
    You still pursuing with the mask thing I see. I`ve gone the other way, I used to think that it protected other people rather than the wearer, but I now think it does both. I don`t mind wearing a mask, seems the smallest evil in the scheme of things, and if it gets people to be slightly less fearful then goodo.
    I base my views on evidence. Compare mask free Sweden to mask wearing Spain.

    Your last sentence sums up the problems with masks, people are less fearful when they wear them, they do not socially distance like they did before masks became mandatory. That was always my concern and it has been proved right.
    Link, no proof
    Spain has had enforced mask wearing in public for months, look at last weekends figures

    https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/international/2020/10/20/73645/breaking-news-spain-considers-curfews-fight-new-coronavirus-wave.html
    Nothing to do with masks all to do with mixing at home and schools, large % of cases in 9-19 age bracket but serious hotspots in Catalonia and Nevarra cases coming down in Madrid there are no weekend figures just three days on Monday. I reLly don’t understand your problem, I’ll continue to wear my mask to respect others and potentially reduce viral load, apart from the fact I have to or be thrown out the shop, hospital etc and get fined.
    In July when mask wearing was made mandatory in the UK I predicted cases would sky rocket. That is exactly what happened. The same is true everywhere. There is so much evidence that mask wearing is not helping at all and could well be making things worse but everyone ignores it. If a politician had come up with any other policy that has failed so badly as masks they would be ruined. For some reason people can't get their heads round the idea that masks don't work, despite all the real world evidence that they don't. They just come up with different excuses eg nightclubs, poeple not wearing masks, families mixing etc etc.
    Gosh you are midnnumbingly stupid on this issue!
    Maybe I am, but please provide evidence of one European Country which has enforced mask wearing which has shown a reduction in cases. And I would remind you that if you read my posts from early July I predicted the rise in cases when mandatory mask wearing came in. So although my prediction was completely right I am mindnumbingly stupid. Its like picking a 50/1 winner of a horse race and then being told that i was stupid for backing it.

    In early July cases were well below 1000 a day, they are now over 15000 each day.

    Perhaps you can enlighten me on how masks have helped?
    People must be sick to death of providing you with evidence that masks help without eradicating the problem. However you consistently ignore their evidence and bang on with the same old rubbish day-in, day-out.

    In addition there are sufficient numbers of idiots who are too selfish/stupid to bother putting on a mask to protect others. We have no idea what the effect of 100% compliance would be because we have never come close to it, thanks to those like your good self who constantly seek to undermine it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Have we done the SurveyUSA poll? Rated "A" on 538.

    Biden 53% (-)
    Trump 43% (-)

    Changes with 5th October. I.e. no change.

    63% plan to vote early.

    Of those 63% more than half (well 51%) have already voted.

    There is an implicit turnout calculation you can do from that.
    0.63 * 0.51 * 40 million ? Implied turnout of 124.5 million.. seems low.
    That seems inconceivably low.

    Shy Trump voters not responding to polls makes up another 20 million?
    And I'm not saying that as a piss take.
    Don't do that!
  • Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662

    We've had the following state polls today so far, that are all very good for Biden.

    Civiqs Florida
    Biden 51%
    Trump 47%

    Civiqs Nevada
    Biden 52%
    Trump 43%

    Suffolk University Pennsylvania
    Biden 49%
    Trump 42%

    Yes, it's a generally good polling day for Biden.

    Did we ever get to the bottom of the IBD Tipp methodology? It's the same as yesterday I think?
    To quote IBD's own explanation

    'The daily update of the IBD/TIPP 2020 election poll reflects a survey of 1,162 registered and 1,016 likely voters, from Oct. 16 through Oct. 120. The weighted party split of likely voters includes 375 Democrats, 340 Republicans and 289 independents.

    The Biden vs. Trump poll likely voter sample has a credibility interval of +/- 3.2 percentage points. IBD's polling partner TechnoMetrica applies a multimodal approach using "traditional" telephone methodology, with live interviewers supplemented by online surveys. Each day approximately 200 interviews with registered voters are conducted, of which 125 are from telephone and 75 from online. In the telephone sample, roughly 65% of interviews come from a cellphone sample and 35% from a landline sample.'

    So todays poll is based on the 200 registered voters they sampled and each day for the next 4 days they will do a new 200 (until all 1000 have been done) so the % we see each day is the 200 for that day (so todays on 538 is for the 20th)
  • Roger said:

    That's what happens....all you need is a firebrand like Burnham and the whole Party comes alive!
    All going so well, until...

    Did the Honourable Lady Just Call Me Scum?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbQkT-PC_QE&
    Yes! Yes she did! Quite audibly. Not really front bench is she...
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    IshmaelZ said:

    TimT said:

    Roger said:

    That's what happens....all you need is a firebrand like Burnham and the whole Party comes alive!
    30 seconds for GBP8? GBP960 per hour? I want that work
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/private-test-and-trace-consultants-paid-7000-a-day-by-government-a4570946.html

    £7,000 for an 8 hour day is £875 an hour
    I think even for that discount price, I'd still be interested ...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    A survey of more than 1,000 Londoners has found that 55% of 18 to 34-year-olds are more likely to move to the countryside as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    The survey, commissioned by the Country Land and Business Association (CLA) which represents almost 30,000 rural businesses across England and Wales, shines a light on the growing number of young people considering fleeing the capital in favour of the countryside.

    With 25% of the rural population aged 65 or above (compared with 17% of the urban population), rural areas are ageing faster than anywhere else in the UK.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,103
    edited October 2020
    IanB2 said:

    A survey of more than 1,000 Londoners has found that 55% of 18 to 34-year-olds are more likely to move to the countryside as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    The survey, commissioned by the Country Land and Business Association (CLA) which represents almost 30,000 rural businesses across England and Wales, shines a light on the growing number of young people considering fleeing the capital in favour of the countryside.

    With 25% of the rural population aged 65 or above (compared with 17% of the urban population), rural areas are ageing faster than anywhere else in the UK.

    That tax base is going to collapse.
  • Pulpstar said:
    I think it's mostly or entirely noise, TBH. The overall picture looks quite stable to me.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    Roger said:

    That's what happens....all you need is a firebrand like Burnham and the whole Party comes alive!
    All going so well, until...

    Did the Honourable Lady Just Call Me Scum?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbQkT-PC_QE&
    Great moment from Madam Deputy Speaker. Smelling salts........!!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    We have a Rasmussen from Arizona.

    Biden 48%
    Trump 46%

    Fake Rasmussen or real Rasmussen? For the avoidance of confusion, the real Rasmussen is fake and the fake Rasmussen is real.

    Glad we cleared that up.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
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  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,390

    Roger said:

    That's what happens....all you need is a firebrand like Burnham and the whole Party comes alive!
    Thinking about other Labour election winners, isn't their formula for success a "respectable" leader, firebrands in the team and mutual respect and understanding of their roles between the two?
    Yes - Rayner should be to Starmer what Prescott was to Blair, and I think will be - in both cases, rougher at the edges but very loyal. And Nandy should be let off the leash more often - she can do 'I'm really cross about...." rather well.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,459
    IanB2 said:

    Nominate your legendary local key worker, and win a year’s supply of Domino’s ham, pineapple and mushroom pizza:

    https://www.dominos.co.uk/blog/local-legends-free-pizza/

    Can it come without the pineapple? Seems harsh if not - they were only doing their job...
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    edited October 2020
  • Roger said:

    We've had the following state polls today so far, that are all very good for Biden.

    Civiqs Florida
    Biden 51%
    Trump 47%

    Civiqs Nevada
    Biden 52%
    Trump 43%

    Suffolk University Pennsylvania
    Biden 49%
    Trump 42%

    Does HYUFD just do the good Trump ones?
    Hyufd doesn't comment on pollsters, but he does comment on Trafalgar.

    [Sorry, H, couldn't resist.] :blush:
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    edited October 2020
    Yes, my sense these past few days is that the state and national picture are starting to align around the national Biden +8 mark.
  • Mal557Mal557 Posts: 662

    Pulpstar said:
    I think it's mostly or entirely noise, TBH. The overall picture looks quite stable to me.
    I agree,,,,things have been pretty stable on both National and State polls for some time,,,,,well until the next Trafalgar poll sails into sight :) (j/k)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    IanB2 said:

    Nominate your legendary local key worker, and win a year’s supply of Domino’s ham, pineapple and mushroom pizza:

    https://www.dominos.co.uk/blog/local-legends-free-pizza/

    What's the address of @TSE ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226

    It looks like Trump is relying on a “Labour’s Double Whammy” style message for the closing weeks of the campaign.

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1318924531092828162?s=21

    Slash taxes on the wealthy, overheating an already strong economy via a massive unsustainable deficit.

    Warn people that your opponent will put up taxes.

    Yep, sounds like a Trump sort of strategy.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    IanB2 said:

    A survey of more than 1,000 Londoners has found that 55% of 18 to 34-year-olds are more likely to move to the countryside as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    The survey, commissioned by the Country Land and Business Association (CLA) which represents almost 30,000 rural businesses across England and Wales, shines a light on the growing number of young people considering fleeing the capital in favour of the countryside.

    With 25% of the rural population aged 65 or above (compared with 17% of the urban population), rural areas are ageing faster than anywhere else in the UK.

    That tax base is going to collapse.
    It really isn't.

    They are simply saying they are more likely. Most won't actually move the countryside and some will simply move out a zone or two to suburban London.

    Stop being such a drama queen.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited October 2020

    Roger said:

    We've had the following state polls today so far, that are all very good for Biden.

    Civiqs Florida
    Biden 51%
    Trump 47%

    Civiqs Nevada
    Biden 52%
    Trump 43%

    Suffolk University Pennsylvania
    Biden 49%
    Trump 42%

    Does HYUFD just do the good Trump ones?
    Hyufd doesn't comment on pollsters, but he does comment on Trafalgar.

    [Sorry, H, couldn't resist.] :blush:
    HY’s maxim is that those who got it badly wrong the last time can be ignored thereafter.

    A thought worth filing away ;)
  • Didn't they say they wouldn't back down last time? And then backed down?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Mal557 said:

    We've had the following state polls today so far, that are all very good for Biden.

    Civiqs Florida
    Biden 51%
    Trump 47%

    Civiqs Nevada
    Biden 52%
    Trump 43%

    Suffolk University Pennsylvania
    Biden 49%
    Trump 42%

    Yes, it's a generally good polling day for Biden.

    Did we ever get to the bottom of the IBD Tipp methodology? It's the same as yesterday I think?
    To quote IBD's own explanation

    'The daily update of the IBD/TIPP 2020 election poll reflects a survey of 1,162 registered and 1,016 likely voters, from Oct. 16 through Oct. 120. The weighted party split of likely voters includes 375 Democrats, 340 Republicans and 289 independents.

    The Biden vs. Trump poll likely voter sample has a credibility interval of +/- 3.2 percentage points. IBD's polling partner TechnoMetrica applies a multimodal approach using "traditional" telephone methodology, with live interviewers supplemented by online surveys. Each day approximately 200 interviews with registered voters are conducted, of which 125 are from telephone and 75 from online. In the telephone sample, roughly 65% of interviews come from a cellphone sample and 35% from a landline sample.'

    So todays poll is based on the 200 registered voters they sampled and each day for the next 4 days they will do a new 200 (until all 1000 have been done) so the % we see each day is the 200 for that day (so todays on 538 is for the 20th)
    So each daily poll has a sample size of 200, or do they top up their sample to 1,000 with older samples?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1318875954534600704

    PB Tories simply cannot oppose Khan on economic grounds when Johnson did such a piss poor job

    Johnson no longer does us the favour of being "disingenuous". He just lies.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,463

    IanB2 said:

    A survey of more than 1,000 Londoners has found that 55% of 18 to 34-year-olds are more likely to move to the countryside as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    The survey, commissioned by the Country Land and Business Association (CLA) which represents almost 30,000 rural businesses across England and Wales, shines a light on the growing number of young people considering fleeing the capital in favour of the countryside.

    With 25% of the rural population aged 65 or above (compared with 17% of the urban population), rural areas are ageing faster than anywhere else in the UK.

    That tax base is going to collapse.
    It really isn't.

    They are simply saying they are more likely. Most won't actually move the countryside and some will simply move out a zone or two to suburban London.

    Stop being such a drama queen.
    House building boom in Epping?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,390
    IanB2 said:

    A survey of more than 1,000 Londoners has found that 55% of 18 to 34-year-olds are more likely to move to the countryside as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    The survey, commissioned by the Country Land and Business Association (CLA) which represents almost 30,000 rural businesses across England and Wales, shines a light on the growing number of young people considering fleeing the capital in favour of the countryside.

    With 25% of the rural population aged 65 or above (compared with 17% of the urban population), rural areas are ageing faster than anywhere else in the UK.

    Of course the Country Land and Business Association is a completely disinterested party in interpreting the results. Young people in London have always "considered" fleeing the capital for the countryside. Most don't. And if/when they do, it's more likely to be to Brighton or Manchester, for example, than to the countryside.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    IanB2 said:

    Nominate your legendary local key worker, and win a year’s supply of Domino’s ham, pineapple and mushroom pizza:

    https://www.dominos.co.uk/blog/local-legends-free-pizza/

    Can it come without the pineapple? Seems harsh if not - they were only doing their job...
    Extra pineapple +£1.45
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,354
    edited October 2020
    Mal557 said:

    Pulpstar said:
    I think it's mostly or entirely noise, TBH. The overall picture looks quite stable to me.
    I agree,,,,things have been pretty stable on both National and State polls for some time,,,,,well until the next Trafalgar poll sails into sight :) (j/k)
    Yes, very stable and I wouldn't expect much change now. For PB purposes, I think it would be helpful if we referred to Trafalgar as Villeneuve, just in case anybody should be under any misapprehensions about them.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226

    We've had the following state polls today so far, that are all very good for Biden.

    Civiqs Florida
    Biden 51%
    Trump 47%

    Civiqs Nevada
    Biden 52%
    Trump 43%

    Suffolk University Pennsylvania
    Biden 49%
    Trump 42%

    Yes, it's a generally good polling day for Biden.

    Did we ever get to the bottom of the IBD Tipp methodology? It's the same as yesterday I think?
    Yes. On that one it's daily but does not get put on 538 every day.

    But anyway - how are you feeling about it right now? Confident?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487

    Andy_JS said:

    Awks...

    Sky said Darren Lumsden's face inking of the number 88 was in memory of the year his late father Trevor lost his life - and nothing to do with a code, fashioned around the numerical order of letters in the alphabet, meaning Heil Hitler.

    But today his 66-year-old parent revealed he was very much alive - and living in a smart three-storey house in Bristol, not far from his carpenter son.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8863181/Father-death-used-Sky-explain-contestants-Nazi-style-tattoo-alive.html

    Maybe he's a fan of 1988 pop music. Brother Beyond, etc.
    Phil Collins had a hit in 1988 with A Groovy Kind of Love. He's not having such a good time of it now.

    https://twitter.com/TheCut/status/1318895987302215680
    Maybe Phil could break in via the sussudio.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    This is what life has come to. Getting increasingly impatient that it's passed 4.15pm and the dashboard hasn't been updated yet :(
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205

    Mal557 said:

    We've had the following state polls today so far, that are all very good for Biden.

    Civiqs Florida
    Biden 51%
    Trump 47%

    Civiqs Nevada
    Biden 52%
    Trump 43%

    Suffolk University Pennsylvania
    Biden 49%
    Trump 42%

    Yes, it's a generally good polling day for Biden.

    Did we ever get to the bottom of the IBD Tipp methodology? It's the same as yesterday I think?
    To quote IBD's own explanation

    'The daily update of the IBD/TIPP 2020 election poll reflects a survey of 1,162 registered and 1,016 likely voters, from Oct. 16 through Oct. 120. The weighted party split of likely voters includes 375 Democrats, 340 Republicans and 289 independents.

    The Biden vs. Trump poll likely voter sample has a credibility interval of +/- 3.2 percentage points. IBD's polling partner TechnoMetrica applies a multimodal approach using "traditional" telephone methodology, with live interviewers supplemented by online surveys. Each day approximately 200 interviews with registered voters are conducted, of which 125 are from telephone and 75 from online. In the telephone sample, roughly 65% of interviews come from a cellphone sample and 35% from a landline sample.'

    So todays poll is based on the 200 registered voters they sampled and each day for the next 4 days they will do a new 200 (until all 1000 have been done) so the % we see each day is the 200 for that day (so todays on 538 is for the 20th)
    So each daily poll has a sample size of 200, or do they top up their sample to 1,000 with older samples?
    The 45 - 64 sample being less Trumper than the 65+ sample looks sui generis to me. I know Biden is doing well with seniors but I'd still expect a broad rightwing drift as people get older.
  • IanB2 said:

    Nominate your legendary local key worker, and win a year’s supply of Domino’s ham, pineapple and mushroom pizza:

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    What's the address of @TSE ?
    N M Rothschild & Sons.

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  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    It looks like Trump is relying on a “Labour’s Double Whammy” style message for the closing weeks of the campaign.

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1318924531092828162?s=21

    Odd use of the plural – there are less than two weeks left.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    IanB2 said:

    A survey of more than 1,000 Londoners has found that 55% of 18 to 34-year-olds are more likely to move to the countryside as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    The survey, commissioned by the Country Land and Business Association (CLA) which represents almost 30,000 rural businesses across England and Wales, shines a light on the growing number of young people considering fleeing the capital in favour of the countryside.

    With 25% of the rural population aged 65 or above (compared with 17% of the urban population), rural areas are ageing faster than anywhere else in the UK.

    That tax base is going to collapse.
    It really isn't.

    They are simply saying they are more likely. Most won't actually move the countryside and some will simply move out a zone or two to suburban London.

    Stop being such a drama queen.
    https://www.decisionmarketing.co.uk/news/londons-millennials-are-facing-serious-financial-crisis
  • kinabalu said:

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1318875954534600704

    PB Tories simply cannot oppose Khan on economic grounds when Johnson did such a piss poor job

    Johnson no longer does us the favour of being "disingenuous". He just lies.
    "no longer"? Dishonesty is in his DNA. He has always lied and always will. He is disingenuous even by the low standard of the people he surrounds himself with.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/21/covid-vaccine-immunisation-protection

    Essential reading on the non-magic-bullet nature of vaccines. "If politicians are telling us that the present impositions on our lives are only going to last until we have vaccines, then the reality is that a false hope is being promulgated."
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    The details of the settlement is pretty key as to whether this is a triumph or a surrender to get headlines pre election
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    IanB2 said:

    A survey of more than 1,000 Londoners has found that 55% of 18 to 34-year-olds are more likely to move to the countryside as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    The survey, commissioned by the Country Land and Business Association (CLA) which represents almost 30,000 rural businesses across England and Wales, shines a light on the growing number of young people considering fleeing the capital in favour of the countryside.

    With 25% of the rural population aged 65 or above (compared with 17% of the urban population), rural areas are ageing faster than anywhere else in the UK.

    That tax base is going to collapse.
    It really isn't.

    They are simply saying they are more likely. Most won't actually move the countryside and some will simply move out a zone or two to suburban London.

    Stop being such a drama queen.
    House building boom in Epping?
    I know a bloke up there. Lovely bloke; can go on a bit at times.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226

    https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1318888169950093317

    Compassion. What an odd hill to die on, again!

    Looks like the "Nasty Party" are well and truly back. Don't care about the poor. Don't care about the North.

    Once the buzz of Brexit has worn off they will struggle to hold onto their vote.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Andy_JS said:

    Awks...

    Sky said Darren Lumsden's face inking of the number 88 was in memory of the year his late father Trevor lost his life - and nothing to do with a code, fashioned around the numerical order of letters in the alphabet, meaning Heil Hitler.

    But today his 66-year-old parent revealed he was very much alive - and living in a smart three-storey house in Bristol, not far from his carpenter son.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8863181/Father-death-used-Sky-explain-contestants-Nazi-style-tattoo-alive.html

    Maybe he's a fan of 1988 pop music. Brother Beyond, etc.
    Phil Collins had a hit in 1988 with A Groovy Kind of Love. He's not having such a good time of it now.

    https://twitter.com/TheCut/status/1318895987302215680
    Maybe Phil could break in via the sussudio.
    Take a look at her now, he is probably thinking .
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,459
    IshmaelZ said:

    https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/21/covid-vaccine-immunisation-protection

    Essential reading on the non-magic-bullet nature of vaccines. "If politicians are telling us that the present impositions on our lives are only going to last until we have vaccines, then the reality is that a false hope is being promulgated."

    Absolutely true, but if the vaccine takes the incidence down and reduces the severity then normal life approaches, albeit some stuff might take a while to get closer to normal.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    IanB2 said:

    Despite what Casino said earlier, there is money being made on the £ today. Markets clearly sniff a deal in the offing.

    Even if they do it doesn't mean there is a deal in the offing; the currency markets have called several things badly wrong in recent years and I'd caution anyone in 'following' them.

    That said I was clear in my view last week that all the Punch and Judy was carefully choreographed to create the political space for a deal to be signed on both sides of the channel and I still expect there to be one.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288

    I know I'm from Lancashire (or "Greater Manchester" as chunks of it have now been renamed). But even I find it a little off-putting to hear Rayner mutter "scum" in that accent.

    Well, she is Chesher (as opposed to Chesh-ire) after all.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    algarkirk said:

    HYUFD said:
    Careful exegesis of these words will show them to be entirely consistent with the essentials of the traditional Roman Catholic position. It neither endorses or permits homosexual sexual activity or marriage.
    I'd say it does endorse the carnal side of it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    IshmaelZ said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Awks...

    Sky said Darren Lumsden's face inking of the number 88 was in memory of the year his late father Trevor lost his life - and nothing to do with a code, fashioned around the numerical order of letters in the alphabet, meaning Heil Hitler.

    But today his 66-year-old parent revealed he was very much alive - and living in a smart three-storey house in Bristol, not far from his carpenter son.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8863181/Father-death-used-Sky-explain-contestants-Nazi-style-tattoo-alive.html

    Maybe he's a fan of 1988 pop music. Brother Beyond, etc.
    Phil Collins had a hit in 1988 with A Groovy Kind of Love. He's not having such a good time of it now.

    https://twitter.com/TheCut/status/1318895987302215680
    Maybe Phil could break in via the sussudio.
    Take a look at her now, he is probably thinking .
    Well, it's his fault. He shouldn't have been such an easy lover.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,459
    Someone check on Horse - that could push him over the edge...
  • Lol despite all the endless wailing and gnashing of teeth from the left on social media, Boris is still 6% ahead.

    Time to dial it up to 11.
  • Have all the phone lines gone down in the NW?
  • Pro_Rata said:

    I know I'm from Lancashire (or "Greater Manchester" as chunks of it have now been renamed). But even I find it a little off-putting to hear Rayner mutter "scum" in that accent.

    Well, she is Chesher (as opposed to Chesh-ire) after all.
    Indeed. 6 miles separate Manchester City Centre and Stockport Town Centre. One is Lancashire. The other is Cheshire darling. None of this Greater Manchester nonsense.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Must be all the pensioners giving Johnson credit for locking down Wales.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    Roger said:

    That's what happens....all you need is a firebrand like Burnham and the whole Party comes alive!
    All going so well, until...

    Did the Honourable Lady Just Call Me Scum?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbQkT-PC_QE&
    Yes! Yes she did! Quite audibly. Not really front bench is she...
    Please miss, please miss, she called me scum, miss......
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Fieldwork 16-18 October though
  • Have all the phone lines gone down in the NW?
    Another pollster has observed that it is likely most of the fieldwork will have been carried out before the weekend.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    IshmaelZ said:

    Carnyx said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    "All current approaches seem reactive and focused only on the next few weeks."

    Fair enough, but there is a huge class of problems to which reactive, short term approaches are all that's available: shaving one's face, mowing one's lawn, cleaning one's house, painting the Forth Bridge. A long-term framework within which to take repeated temporary remedial action may be all that's available. Certainly there has been concerted action in the last month to introduce us to the idea that taking a vaccine may be just an enhancement of the current strategy rather than a replacement of it.

    To modify your metaphor - new technology has enabled the painters to take quite long breaks off painting the Forth Bridge. Which extends it nicely, of course, to the vaccine being an enhancement and partial replacement ...
    But the house-cleaning thing is intractable. No matter how scrupulously you do it, in six months' time you have to do it all over again.
    Quentin Crisp took a different view. His theory was that housework is pointless because you always have to do it all over again.

    "There is no need to do any housework at all. After the first four years the dirt doesn't get any worse."

    I suppose applying this to the pandemic is to argue for a "let it rip" approach.

    Outre - but that's Quentin for you.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,775
    alex_ said:

    Must be all the pensioners giving Johnson credit for locking down Wales.
    A virtual fiefdom there - particularly the north.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    I know I'm from Lancashire (or "Greater Manchester" as chunks of it have now been renamed). But even I find it a little off-putting to hear Rayner mutter "scum" in that accent.

    Lancashire?

    Were you here for the 'northerners are parochial' chat?

    I only ask because it was 'renamed' 46 years ago.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Almost 78,000 Wisconsin voters have hand delivered their mail in ballots straight to the clerk's office.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589

    Roger said:

    That's what happens....all you need is a firebrand like Burnham and the whole Party comes alive!
    All going so well, until...

    Did the Honourable Lady Just Call Me Scum?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbQkT-PC_QE&
    Yes! Yes she did! Quite audibly. Not really front bench is she...
    Honestly, it's rather refreshing to hear one of the lying, dissembling, shady morons that gets sent out to do this stuff called exactly what he is. Entirely happy with gunning down the messenger.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Awks...

    Sky said Darren Lumsden's face inking of the number 88 was in memory of the year his late father Trevor lost his life - and nothing to do with a code, fashioned around the numerical order of letters in the alphabet, meaning Heil Hitler.

    But today his 66-year-old parent revealed he was very much alive - and living in a smart three-storey house in Bristol, not far from his carpenter son.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8863181/Father-death-used-Sky-explain-contestants-Nazi-style-tattoo-alive.html

    Maybe he's a fan of 1988 pop music. Brother Beyond, etc.
    Phil Collins had a hit in 1988 with A Groovy Kind of Love. He's not having such a good time of it now.

    https://twitter.com/TheCut/status/1318895987302215680
    Sad to see. He did some good work. That percussive explosion in the middle of "I Can Feel It (coming in the air tonight)" can even now get me sitting up and smashing a set of imaginary drums if I've had a few.
    That's got to be a euphemism for something.
    Don't think so. Collins didn't go in for that. His stuff does what it says on the tin.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137

    IanB2 said:

    A survey of more than 1,000 Londoners has found that 55% of 18 to 34-year-olds are more likely to move to the countryside as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    The survey, commissioned by the Country Land and Business Association (CLA) which represents almost 30,000 rural businesses across England and Wales, shines a light on the growing number of young people considering fleeing the capital in favour of the countryside.

    With 25% of the rural population aged 65 or above (compared with 17% of the urban population), rural areas are ageing faster than anywhere else in the UK.

    That tax base is going to collapse.
    It really isn't.

    They are simply saying they are more likely. Most won't actually move the countryside and some will simply move out a zone or two to suburban London.

    Stop being such a drama queen.
    House building boom in Epping?
    We have enough Nimbyism over the current local plan and extra houses as it is, we cannot accomodate many more, Epping of course is in zone 6 and in Essex not in London
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,463
    Most of the Rochdalians (and I married one) I know don't regard Rochdale as being 'Manchester'. It's Lancashire.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    At last they're updating the dashboard. I'm not sure i could have held out much longer.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,700
    A return to form from Comedy Results.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    26,688 new cases
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited October 2020
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    A survey of more than 1,000 Londoners has found that 55% of 18 to 34-year-olds are more likely to move to the countryside as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    The survey, commissioned by the Country Land and Business Association (CLA) which represents almost 30,000 rural businesses across England and Wales, shines a light on the growing number of young people considering fleeing the capital in favour of the countryside.

    With 25% of the rural population aged 65 or above (compared with 17% of the urban population), rural areas are ageing faster than anywhere else in the UK.

    That tax base is going to collapse.
    It really isn't.

    They are simply saying they are more likely. Most won't actually move the countryside and some will simply move out a zone or two to suburban London.

    Stop being such a drama queen.
    House building boom in Epping?
    We have enough Nimbyism over the current local plan and extra houses as it is, we cannot accomodate many more, Epping of course is in zone 6 and in Essex not in London
    But it is Tier Two and in it with London.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,425
    IshmaelZ said:

    https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/21/covid-vaccine-immunisation-protection

    Essential reading on the non-magic-bullet nature of vaccines. "If politicians are telling us that the present impositions on our lives are only going to last until we have vaccines, then the reality is that a false hope is being promulgated."

    I'm only willing to accept the extreme restrictions that we are under on the basis that they are temporary. If the government do not have a planned way to bring them to an end then they will come to an end in an unplanned way.

    The former is better than the latter. So I hope the government have done some thinking ahead on this.
  • guybrushguybrush Posts: 257
    IshmaelZ said:

    https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/21/covid-vaccine-immunisation-protection

    Essential reading on the non-magic-bullet nature of vaccines. "If politicians are telling us that the present impositions on our lives are only going to last until we have vaccines, then the reality is that a false hope is being promulgated."

    There's a balancing act between the harm inflicted by Covid, and the harm created by non pharmaceutical interventions intended to reduce the spread of Covid.

    At the moment there seems to be a consensus in favour of continued restrictions. There's a possibility, surely, that a vaccine (even one with limited effectiveness and take-up) will tip the balance. The author doesn't appear to entertain that possibility.

    It seems clear public opinion is already shifting slowly, and that will surely continue as government support tapers off (assuming no U-turn from Sunak) and the long term impact of restrictions on the economy and society becomes clear.

    Reminds me of a concept in Health and Safety Law - ALARP: risk should be reduced to a level considered "As Low as Reasonably Practicable". Of course, what is reasonable and practicable is subjective.
  • alex_ said:

    26,688 new cases

    Not good
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,137
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    A survey of more than 1,000 Londoners has found that 55% of 18 to 34-year-olds are more likely to move to the countryside as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic.

    The survey, commissioned by the Country Land and Business Association (CLA) which represents almost 30,000 rural businesses across England and Wales, shines a light on the growing number of young people considering fleeing the capital in favour of the countryside.

    With 25% of the rural population aged 65 or above (compared with 17% of the urban population), rural areas are ageing faster than anywhere else in the UK.

    That tax base is going to collapse.
    It really isn't.

    They are simply saying they are more likely. Most won't actually move the countryside and some will simply move out a zone or two to suburban London.

    Stop being such a drama queen.
    House building boom in Epping?
    We have enough Nimbyism over the current local plan and extra houses as it is, we cannot accomodate many more, Epping of course is in zone 6 and in Essex not in London
    But it is Tier Two and in it with London.
    Tier 2
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