There is very little point in testing people on day 8 of them being symptomatic, but that is what the shambolic UK government is now advising.
It's of no use to contact tracing. It will completely distort the case figures, as many people will stop having symptoms by day eight and not bother to be tested, or will return a negative test by that point. Is there any rationale for it at all?
Like the Tories, the Republicans have become ever more bluecollar and working class over the last decade while the Democrats like Starmer Labour and the LDs are becoming more suburban and affluent in their support base
'According to a Brookings Institution study, the median household income in House districts held by Democrats rose from $54,000 in 2008 to $61,000 a decade later. In Republican districts, it declined from $55,000 to $53,000...House districts in the bottom two quintiles of income distribution accounted for about half of the districts in the Democratic caucus in 1960, according to Michael Podhorzer, a strategist at the AFL-CIO. By 2018, they represented less than one third. The share of GOP districts from the bottom two quintiles more than doubled during that same time. In 2018, districts in the bottom 40 percent of income distribution accounted for slightly more than half of GOP districts.
Education and diversity drive the change. Brookings demographer William Frey analyzed 102 counties that had voted Republican in 2004 and Democratic in 2016. In aggregate in 2016 they were 46.4% non-White; 22.9% White college graduate and 30.7% non-college White. The 2,427 counties that voted Republican in both 2004 and 2016 had less than half the share of non-White population and almost double the share of non-college Whites. Those counties were 20.7% nonwhite; 21.8% White college and 57.5% non-college White. Since 2016, the Republican hemorrhage of college-educated Whites has grown worse, turning affluent suburbs ever bluer.'
Daily Telegraph: "a source told CNN that Mr Trump had a fever and was "struggling to breathe"."
Well he wouldn't be going to a hospital if he just was a bit tired and sweaty. They would bring the doctors to him.
He might get seriously ill but even if not he will seek to maximize the drama. This is Donald Trump.
I am not sure. He has made this big play of being a tough guy, not scared of the virus, the idiots with the chin diapers, etc. Him being ill enough to have to be taken to hospital isn't a fake 4d chess move, as it makes him look like an idiot after spending 6 months engaging in high risk behaviour.
We might even have been the last of the "Covid Hoax" signs at Trump rallys.
How does “you cannot be a conservative and not be a unionist” stack up against the degrees to which Tory politicians have gone to undermine the union and all the polls that showed Tory voters not giving a toss about the union so long as they got their precious Brexit?
He is quite right and polls also show Tory voters back Boris' policy of banning indyref2 while he remains PM and removing the border in the Irish Sea
How does “you cannot be a conservative and not be a unionist” stack up against the degrees to which Tory politicians have gone to undermine the union and all the polls that showed Tory voters not giving a toss about the union so long as they got their precious Brexit?
He is quite right and polls also show Tory voters back Boris' policy of banning indyref2 while he remains PM and removing the border in the Irish Sea
How does “you cannot be a conservative and not be a unionist” stack up against the degrees to which Tory politicians have gone to undermine the union and all the polls that showed Tory voters not giving a toss about the union so long as they got their precious Brexit?
He is quite right and polls also show Tory voters back Boris' policy of banning indyref2 while he remains PM and removing the border in the Irish Sea
Removing the border?
Or not creating one in the first place more to the point
Yes, was doing a socially distanced litter pick this morning and the shopping then came back intending to watch the conference online and missed Gove and Truss and now cannot watch Raab either
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
Well that seems 100% crystal clear then sorry to anyone who objects.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
I would be delighted for labour to win and I would vote tactically for labour if I lived there
Yep. Under the current management, as opposed to the previous management, I would too.
I thought that technically the current management is Corbynite Richard Leonard?
You'd better hope he doesn't encourage a Corbynite SLab candidate to frighten those tactically voting inclined SCon horses in Rutherglen.
What's happened to your "Scottish Labour are just a branch office of London" line?
Not a line I think I've used much, but in any case I believe 'technically' covers that. Pretty sure Jackie Baillie and Ian 'almost defected to Change UK by accident' Murray will be in the driving seat for this one. Be interesting to see who they choose from the rich array of talent available,
Yes, was doing a socially distanced litter pick this morning and the shopping then came back intending to watch the conference online and missed Gove and Truss and now cannot watch Raab either
I would be delighted for labour to win and I would vote tactically for labour if I lived there
Yep. Under the current management, as opposed to the previous management, I would too.
I thought that technically the current management is Corbynite Richard Leonard?
You'd better hope he doesn't encourage a Corbynite SLab candidate to frighten those tactically voting inclined SCon horses in Rutherglen.
Personally I would even vote for a Corbynite SLab candidate if they were the best chance to beat the SNP
I've certainly had a decent wee poll today of how people who don't live in Rutherglen and Hamilton West and/or Scotland would vote in a Rutherglen and Hamilton West by election.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
But they've also factored in death and illness into this.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
Is that right? I would have expected the Speaker and the Chairman of the Fed to be in regular contact.
Given that Pelosi and Mnuchin have been in discussions on that relief package for a while, I would not see this as at all odd, particularly as a package of this size must affect areas under the Fed's purview.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
But they've also factored in death and illness into this.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
So they aren't even sticking to their own rules.
Anyway does the successor to UCTA not apply to gambling contracts? If so, you can't do whatever the fuck you like just because your rules say you can.
Is that right? I would have expected the Speaker and the Chairman of the Fed to be in regular contact.
Given that Pelosi and Mnuchin have been in discussions on that relief package for a while, I would not see this as at all odd, particularly as a package of this size must affect areas under the Fed's purview.
Given that Congress is supposed to hold the purse strings for all Federal Government spending, wouldn't talking to the Fed be part of the job, anyway?
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
But they've also factored in death and illness into this.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
So they aren't even sticking to their own rules.
That's the key for me. They have suckered people in to betting on this market with a set of rules that covers this eventuality.
Just because they legally can suspend the market doesn't make it morally correct.
How does “you cannot be a conservative and not be a unionist” stack up against the degrees to which Tory politicians have gone to undermine the union and all the polls that showed Tory voters not giving a toss about the union so long as they got their precious Brexit?
He is quite right and polls also show Tory voters back Boris' policy of banning indyref2 while he remains PM and removing the border in the Irish Sea
Conservative policy for years has been that ultimately the NI bit of the union has the right of self determination, a view with which I conservatively agree. Conservatives gave Scotland the right of self determination, and one day may do so again. For myself I conservatively support Irish unification, especially now that the Irish are not controlled so much by extreme distortions of religion, and I oppose Scottish independence. This difference is mostly governed by looking at a map and a couple of billion years of geological history.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
But they've also factored in death and illness into this.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
So they aren't even sticking to their own rules.
I think you're confusing the rules on suspending the markets and the rules on settling it.
It may very well be annoying that they have suspended new bets at this point, but that's entirely within their Ts&Cs. Your contractual complaint only comes in if they refuse to settle a bet in your favour that ought to have been so settled under their rules.
I think you were complaining earlier about them "cancelling" your unmatched bet. But it's unmatched - it isn't a bet, just an offer you'd made and nobody had accepted at the time of suspension.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
But they've also factored in death and illness into this.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
So they aren't even sticking to their own rules.
That's the key for me. They have suckered people in to betting on this market with a set of rules that covers this eventuality.
Just because they legally can suspend the market doesn't make it morally correct.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
Seems crystal clear.
The short version - "Our table, we can suspend betting and void bets. When we feel like it."
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
But they've also factored in death and illness into this.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
So they aren't even sticking to their own rules.
That's the key for me. They have suckered people in to betting on this market with a set of rules that covers this eventuality.
Just because they legally can suspend the market doesn't make it morally correct.
I've gambled all my life but think gamblers calling out a businesses "morals" for not allowing them to bet on a market because that business is concerned about reputational damage if the US president dies exceedingly weird.
If they don't settle according to the rules and use their t&c to void that will be wrong. Not allowing new bets at the current time is perfectly moral (not saying to allow new bets would be immoral by the way).
Don't expect businesses to behave morally, but commercially. Don't expect other gamblers to behave morally. If you are looking to profit on a market where a big chunk of the volatility is the death or ill health of another being (and I would be if the market was open) don't lecture others on morals.
A pity as Romney being a Republican yet having voted to impeach Trump but still sending his prayers for the Trumps recovery yesterday is probably one of the few potential Presidents who might be acceptable to both Democrats and Republicans at the moment.
He is also one of the most able candidates to ever have run for President, having top grades from Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School and an extremely successful business career before he entered politics which made him hundreds of millions of dollars as well as being a deeply moral man, a leader in the Mormon Church and married to his wife Ann for 51 years without a hint of scandal.
He is certainly the most able nominee the Republicans have had since Bush Snr, his misfortune in 2012 was to be up against Obama seeking re election, a grade A candidate, in any other year he would had a good chance to win and he is certainly more able than Trump or Biden will be for the office
Biden's 22 minute speech in Grand Rapids yesterday was awesome. On that speech alone we have clearly been sold a lie that he is nothing more than a demented old fool.
Should we be concerned though about the reports that Biden has suspended negative campaign ads, but Republicans are barrelling on full steam ahead?
The Trump campaign's argument was Biden's speech attacked the record of the administration still so they will keep running negative ads in return
I see Biden like Starmer is focusing on taxing the rich more
A Conservative economist on Radio 4, can't remember who, suggested yesterday, that QE and spending cuts have already been optimised, so to pay for the pandemic and the aftermath, tax rises are the only viable solution.
So I guess, who do we tax? The rich or the poor. You seem to be implying it should be the poor.
There’s plenty of spending still to be ‘optimised’. Tax rises simply hold growth down on the way out of the recession.
Hopefully the pandemic and accompanying recession will encourage governments to think outside the box, both in terms of what they do and how they pay for it.
"Tax rises simply hold growth down on the way out of the recession".
It depends who and how you tax.
It really doesn’t. Every pound taken in tax is a pound removed from circulation in the economy.
Surely that depends on what the tax is spent on?
I'd argue that every pound cut from public spending is a pound removed from circulation.
Amazing how those who talk of complexity suddenly arrive at simplicity.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
But they've also factored in death and illness into this.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
So they aren't even sticking to their own rules.
That's the key for me. They have suckered people in to betting on this market with a set of rules that covers this eventuality.
Just because they legally can suspend the market doesn't make it morally correct.
They've covered death, but not necessarily illness. If he has a sudden heart attack and dies then the rules cover that but they don't necessarily want or need to keep it open during an extended hospitalisation.
Imagine if he dies and the first we find out about it is by Betfair moving dramatically to 1000 before it gets officially announced. That's not the kind of publicity they necessarily want and they're under no onus to be an in-play market on whether someone lives or dies.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
But they've also factored in death and illness into this.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
So they aren't even sticking to their own rules.
I think you're confusing the rules on suspending the markets and the rules on settling it.
It may very well be annoying that they have suspended new bets at this point, but that's entirely within their Ts&Cs. Your contractual complaint only comes in if they refuse to settle a bet in your favour that ought to have been so settled under their rules.
I think you were complaining earlier about them "cancelling" your unmatched bet. But it's unmatched - it isn't a bet, just an offer you'd made and nobody had accepted at the time of suspension.
My betting strategy was based in part on at least one of the two main candidates having a health scare, which is reinforced by their death section, and the estoppel by convention they created when they didn't suspend the Dem nomination market when Sanders had his heart attack.
I'm quite confident in my position, as I was when Betfair screwed up the TMay exit market, I'd rather not have to go to IBAS again, but I shall.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
Seems crystal clear.
The short version - "Our table, we can suspend betting and void bets. When we feel like it."
Do they also offer a market in BitCoin?
Actually, no it doesn't say that.
It says suspension is at their absolute discretion. Cancelling bets is "in the interests if maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets."
You'd have a case if they cancelled a matched bet that had won under the terms of the market. But not suspending markets - they simply don't HAVE to take your money (and match it with any money I've put on the table).
I don't think people are appreciating the distinction between cancellation and suspension on this thread. But it's a big difference. In your example, the casino can stop spinning the roulette wheel for the night when it pleases - but cannot refuse to settle my bet when I've bet on black and it has just landed on black.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
Seems crystal clear.
The short version - "Our table, we can suspend betting and void bets. When we feel like it."
Do they also offer a market in BitCoin?
Actually, no it doesn't say that.
It says suspension is at their absolute discretion. Cancelling bets is "in the interests if maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets."
You'd have a case if they cancelled a matched bet that had won under the terms of the market. But not suspending markets - they simply don't HAVE to take your money (and match it with any money I've put on the table).
I don't think people are appreciating the distinction between cancellation and suspension on this thread. But it's a big difference. In your example, the casino can stop spinning the roulette wheel for the night when it pleases - but cannot refuse to settle my bet when I've bet on black and it has just landed on black.
Suspending is worse!
People have money locked up in the market they cannot get out to bet with someone who would offer a market.
Are they going to keep it suspended till election day? People on here are arguing it would be perfectly okay for them to do that!
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
Seems crystal clear.
The short version - "Our table, we can suspend betting and void bets. When we feel like it."
Do they also offer a market in BitCoin?
Actually, no it doesn't say that.
It says suspension is at their absolute discretion. Cancelling bets is "in the interests if maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets."
You'd have a case if they cancelled a matched bet that had won under the terms of the market. But not suspending markets - they simply don't HAVE to take your money (and match it with any money I've put on the table).
I don't think people are appreciating the distinction between cancellation and suspension on this thread. But it's a big difference. In your example, the casino can stop spinning the roulette wheel for the night when it pleases - but cannot refuse to settle my bet when I've bet on black and it has just landed on black.
Cancelling unmatched bets following a suspension is entirely appropriate for fairness. If I had an unmatched bet that I wanted to now cancel myself due to the news, but I was unable to due to the market being suspended, then having that matched after suspension is lifted simply because I didn't know the timing of lifting suspension is unfair.
Cancelling matched bets is an entirely different kettle of fish.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
But they've also factored in death and illness into this.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
So they aren't even sticking to their own rules.
I think you're confusing the rules on suspending the markets and the rules on settling it.
It may very well be annoying that they have suspended new bets at this point, but that's entirely within their Ts&Cs. Your contractual complaint only comes in if they refuse to settle a bet in your favour that ought to have been so settled under their rules.
I think you were complaining earlier about them "cancelling" your unmatched bet. But it's unmatched - it isn't a bet, just an offer you'd made and nobody had accepted at the time of suspension.
My betting strategy was based in part on at least one of the two main candidates having a health scare, which is reinforced by their death section, and the estoppel by convention they created when they didn't suspend the Dem nomination market when Sanders had his heart attack.
I'm quite confident in my position, as I was when Betfair screwed up the TMay exit market, I'd rather not have to go to IBAS again, but I shall.
Lord Denning is dead, mate!
The door closed on ludicrous extensions of estoppel when he popped his clogs, and you've zero chance. Good luck trying to establish a convention on when they do and do not suspend a market based on illness when their terms are clear that they have absolute discretion on suspension.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
Seems crystal clear.
The short version - "Our table, we can suspend betting and void bets. When we feel like it."
Do they also offer a market in BitCoin?
Actually, no it doesn't say that.
It says suspension is at their absolute discretion. Cancelling bets is "in the interests if maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets."
You'd have a case if they cancelled a matched bet that had won under the terms of the market. But not suspending markets - they simply don't HAVE to take your money (and match it with any money I've put on the table).
I don't think people are appreciating the distinction between cancellation and suspension on this thread. But it's a big difference. In your example, the casino can stop spinning the roulette wheel for the night when it pleases - but cannot refuse to settle my bet when I've bet on black and it has just landed on black.
Suspending is worse!
People have money locked up in the market they cannot get out to bet with someone who would offer a market.
Are they going to keep it suspended till election day? People on here are arguing it would be perfectly okay for them to do that!
They'd only do that I imagine if he remains in hospital until election day.
Whether its right or wrong for them to do that is a matter for them - and people may choose to use them less in the future if they do. But it seems crystal clear in their Ts and Cs that is their absolute perogative to do.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
Seems crystal clear.
The short version - "Our table, we can suspend betting and void bets. When we feel like it."
Do they also offer a market in BitCoin?
Actually, no it doesn't say that.
It says suspension is at their absolute discretion. Cancelling bets is "in the interests if maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets."
You'd have a case if they cancelled a matched bet that had won under the terms of the market. But not suspending markets - they simply don't HAVE to take your money (and match it with any money I've put on the table).
I don't think people are appreciating the distinction between cancellation and suspension on this thread. But it's a big difference. In your example, the casino can stop spinning the roulette wheel for the night when it pleases - but cannot refuse to settle my bet when I've bet on black and it has just landed on black.
Suspending is worse!
People have money locked up in the market they cannot get out to bet with someone who would offer a market.
Are they going to keep it suspended till election day? People on here are arguing it would be perfectly okay for them to do that!
You can cancel unmatched orders during a suspension if you want to.
Otherwise you have made a bet and it uses up your funds the same way it does with every other bookie.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
But they've also factored in death and illness into this.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
So they aren't even sticking to their own rules.
I think you're confusing the rules on suspending the markets and the rules on settling it.
It may very well be annoying that they have suspended new bets at this point, but that's entirely within their Ts&Cs. Your contractual complaint only comes in if they refuse to settle a bet in your favour that ought to have been so settled under their rules.
I think you were complaining earlier about them "cancelling" your unmatched bet. But it's unmatched - it isn't a bet, just an offer you'd made and nobody had accepted at the time of suspension.
My betting strategy was based in part on at least one of the two main candidates having a health scare, which is reinforced by their death section, and the estoppel by convention they created when they didn't suspend the Dem nomination market when Sanders had his heart attack.
I'm quite confident in my position, as I was when Betfair screwed up the TMay exit market, I'd rather not have to go to IBAS again, but I shall.
Lord Denning is dead, mate!
The door closed on ludicrous extensions of estoppel when he popped his clogs, and you've zero chance. Good luck trying to establish a convention on when they do and do not suspend a market based on illness when their terms are clear that they have absolute discretion on suspension.
Betfair had absolute discretion on the Theresa May exit market and yet they were wrong but IBAS ruled they were wrong.
Some enterprising chap pointed out they had created estoppels on when a leader quits when they paid out on Brown and Milliband E ceasing to be leader in May 2010 and May 2015 not when their successor was elected.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
But they've also factored in death and illness into this.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
So they aren't even sticking to their own rules.
I think you're confusing the rules on suspending the markets and the rules on settling it.
It may very well be annoying that they have suspended new bets at this point, but that's entirely within their Ts&Cs. Your contractual complaint only comes in if they refuse to settle a bet in your favour that ought to have been so settled under their rules.
I think you were complaining earlier about them "cancelling" your unmatched bet. But it's unmatched - it isn't a bet, just an offer you'd made and nobody had accepted at the time of suspension.
My betting strategy was based in part on at least one of the two main candidates having a health scare, which is reinforced by their death section, and the estoppel by convention they created when they didn't suspend the Dem nomination market when Sanders had his heart attack.
I'm quite confident in my position, as I was when Betfair screwed up the TMay exit market, I'd rather not have to go to IBAS again, but I shall.
Lord Denning is dead, mate!
The door closed on ludicrous extensions of estoppel when he popped his clogs, and you've zero chance. Good luck trying to establish a convention on when they do and do not suspend a market based on illness when their terms are clear that they have absolute discretion on suspension.
Betfair had absolute discretion on the Theresa May exit market and yet they were wrong but IBAS ruled they were wrong.
Some enterprising chap pointed out they had created estoppels on when a leader quits when they paid out on Brown and Milliband E ceasing to be leader in May 2010 and May 2015 not when their successor was elected.
As noted below, Betfair do NOT have abolute discretion on settling markets but DO on suspending them.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
But they've also factored in death and illness into this.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
So they aren't even sticking to their own rules.
I think you're confusing the rules on suspending the markets and the rules on settling it.
It may very well be annoying that they have suspended new bets at this point, but that's entirely within their Ts&Cs. Your contractual complaint only comes in if they refuse to settle a bet in your favour that ought to have been so settled under their rules.
I think you were complaining earlier about them "cancelling" your unmatched bet. But it's unmatched - it isn't a bet, just an offer you'd made and nobody had accepted at the time of suspension.
My betting strategy was based in part on at least one of the two main candidates having a health scare, which is reinforced by their death section, and the estoppel by convention they created when they didn't suspend the Dem nomination market when Sanders had his heart attack.
I'm quite confident in my position, as I was when Betfair screwed up the TMay exit market, I'd rather not have to go to IBAS again, but I shall.
Lord Denning is dead, mate!
The door closed on ludicrous extensions of estoppel when he popped his clogs, and you've zero chance. Good luck trying to establish a convention on when they do and do not suspend a market based on illness when their terms are clear that they have absolute discretion on suspension.
Betfair had absolute discretion on the Theresa May exit market and yet they were wrong but IBAS ruled they were wrong.
Some enterprising chap pointed out they had created estoppels on when a leader quits when they paid out on Brown and Milliband E ceasing to be leader in May 2010 and May 2015 not when their successor was elected.
Settling and suspending are two entirely different concepts.
How does “you cannot be a conservative and not be a unionist” stack up against the degrees to which Tory politicians have gone to undermine the union and all the polls that showed Tory voters not giving a toss about the union so long as they got their precious Brexit?
He is quite right and polls also show Tory voters back Boris' policy of banning indyref2 while he remains PM and removing the border in the Irish Sea
Conservative policy for years has been that ultimately the NI bit of the union has the right of self determination, a view with which I conservatively agree. Conservatives gave Scotland the right of self determination, and one day may do so again. For myself I conservatively support Irish unification, especially now that the Irish are not controlled so much by extreme distortions of religion, and I oppose Scottish independence. This difference is mostly governed by looking at a map and a couple of billion years of geological history.
Personally I oppose Scottish independence and certainly oppose indyref2 for a generation and I oppose Irish unification (though on the latter my personal view is I would consider the Catholic majority counties in Northern Ireland uniting with the Republic while Protestant and DUP majority Antrim remains part of the UK)
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
But they've also factored in death and illness into this.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
So they aren't even sticking to their own rules.
I think you're confusing the rules on suspending the markets and the rules on settling it.
It may very well be annoying that they have suspended new bets at this point, but that's entirely within their Ts&Cs. Your contractual complaint only comes in if they refuse to settle a bet in your favour that ought to have been so settled under their rules.
I think you were complaining earlier about them "cancelling" your unmatched bet. But it's unmatched - it isn't a bet, just an offer you'd made and nobody had accepted at the time of suspension.
My betting strategy was based in part on at least one of the two main candidates having a health scare, which is reinforced by their death section, and the estoppel by convention they created when they didn't suspend the Dem nomination market when Sanders had his heart attack.
I'm quite confident in my position, as I was when Betfair screwed up the TMay exit market, I'd rather not have to go to IBAS again, but I shall.
Lord Denning is dead, mate!
The door closed on ludicrous extensions of estoppel when he popped his clogs, and you've zero chance. Good luck trying to establish a convention on when they do and do not suspend a market based on illness when their terms are clear that they have absolute discretion on suspension.
Betfair had absolute discretion on the Theresa May exit market and yet they were wrong but IBAS ruled they were wrong.
Some enterprising chap pointed out they had created estoppels on when a leader quits when they paid out on Brown and Milliband E ceasing to be leader in May 2010 and May 2015 not when their successor was elected.
Settling and suspending are two entirely different concepts.
Indeed but they are creating a false market with these suspensions especially in light of their assertions that the markets would be settled even in the event of the death of a candidate.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
But they've also factored in death and illness into this.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
So they aren't even sticking to their own rules.
I think you're confusing the rules on suspending the markets and the rules on settling it.
It may very well be annoying that they have suspended new bets at this point, but that's entirely within their Ts&Cs. Your contractual complaint only comes in if they refuse to settle a bet in your favour that ought to have been so settled under their rules.
I think you were complaining earlier about them "cancelling" your unmatched bet. But it's unmatched - it isn't a bet, just an offer you'd made and nobody had accepted at the time of suspension.
My betting strategy was based in part on at least one of the two main candidates having a health scare, which is reinforced by their death section, and the estoppel by convention they created when they didn't suspend the Dem nomination market when Sanders had his heart attack.
I'm quite confident in my position, as I was when Betfair screwed up the TMay exit market, I'd rather not have to go to IBAS again, but I shall.
Lord Denning is dead, mate!
The door closed on ludicrous extensions of estoppel when he popped his clogs, and you've zero chance. Good luck trying to establish a convention on when they do and do not suspend a market based on illness when their terms are clear that they have absolute discretion on suspension.
Betfair had absolute discretion on the Theresa May exit market and yet they were wrong but IBAS ruled they were wrong.
Some enterprising chap pointed out they had created estoppels on when a leader quits when they paid out on Brown and Milliband E ceasing to be leader in May 2010 and May 2015 not when their successor was elected.
Settling and suspending are two entirely different concepts.
Indeed but they are creating a false market with these suspensions especially in light of their assertions that the markets would be settled even in the event of the death of a candidate.
Just as suspending and settling are different, dying and and death are different.
If he dies then the market will be settled accordingly. Doesn't mean they either intended or are obliged to make this a betting market on whether someone who is in hospital lives or dies.
Biden leads by 7 in Pennsylvania and 5 in Florida in the latest NYT/Siena poll.
One day of sampling includes effects from Trumps positive covid diagnosis. Nate Cohn notes a modest shift to Biden on that day and also notes that for their current in field Arizona poll.
What do Betfair rules say about them being able to suspend an in play market? Presumably main site rules not the specific markets one.
Betfair reserves the right at its absolute discretion to part-suspend or fully suspend outcomes/selections in a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market that has been turned in-play.
But we're talking about the exchange, and the rules are quite clear there, plus the market hasn't turned in play yet.
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair reserves the right at any time in its sole and absolute discretion to suspend an Exchange market without suspending any corresponding or related Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market, or to suspend or stop offering a Sportsbook or Fixed Odds market without suspending any corresponding or related Exchange market.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
But they've also factored in death and illness into this.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
So they aren't even sticking to their own rules.
I think you're confusing the rules on suspending the markets and the rules on settling it.
It may very well be annoying that they have suspended new bets at this point, but that's entirely within their Ts&Cs. Your contractual complaint only comes in if they refuse to settle a bet in your favour that ought to have been so settled under their rules.
I think you were complaining earlier about them "cancelling" your unmatched bet. But it's unmatched - it isn't a bet, just an offer you'd made and nobody had accepted at the time of suspension.
My betting strategy was based in part on at least one of the two main candidates having a health scare, which is reinforced by their death section, and the estoppel by convention they created when they didn't suspend the Dem nomination market when Sanders had his heart attack.
I'm quite confident in my position, as I was when Betfair screwed up the TMay exit market, I'd rather not have to go to IBAS again, but I shall.
Lord Denning is dead, mate!
The door closed on ludicrous extensions of estoppel when he popped his clogs, and you've zero chance. Good luck trying to establish a convention on when they do and do not suspend a market based on illness when their terms are clear that they have absolute discretion on suspension.
Betfair had absolute discretion on the Theresa May exit market and yet they were wrong but IBAS ruled they were wrong.
Some enterprising chap pointed out they had created estoppels on when a leader quits when they paid out on Brown and Milliband E ceasing to be leader in May 2010 and May 2015 not when their successor was elected.
Settling and suspending are two entirely different concepts.
Indeed but they are creating a false market with these suspensions especially in light of their assertions that the markets would be settled even in the event of the death of a candidate.
Just as suspending and settling are different, dying and and death are different.
If he dies then the market will be settled accordingly. Doesn't mean they either intended or are obliged to make this a betting market on whether someone who is in hospital lives or dies.
Have you ever thought of shutting up for a few minutes and seeing whether the quality of the air improves?
How does “you cannot be a conservative and not be a unionist” stack up against the degrees to which Tory politicians have gone to undermine the union and all the polls that showed Tory voters not giving a toss about the union so long as they got their precious Brexit?
He is quite right and polls also show Tory voters back Boris' policy of banning indyref2 while he remains PM and removing the border in the Irish Sea
Conservative policy for years has been that ultimately the NI bit of the union has the right of self determination, a view with which I conservatively agree. Conservatives gave Scotland the right of self determination, and one day may do so again. For myself I conservatively support Irish unification, especially now that the Irish are not controlled so much by extreme distortions of religion, and I oppose Scottish independence. This difference is mostly governed by looking at a map and a couple of billion years of geological history.
Personally I oppose Scottish independence and certainly oppose indyref2 for a generation and I oppose Irish unification (though on the latter my personal view is I would consider the Catholic majority counties in Northern Ireland uniting with the Republic while Protestant and DUP majority Antrim remains part of the UK)
While I suspect religion is still vitally important to a lot of the N Ireland residents, I don't think that 'lot' is as big as it was, and certainly younger people, so far as I can see are less worried. The de-clericalisation of the Republic is having an effect, too, although I grant you S Antrim seems a bastion of Unionism.
Oh. He's doing very well. I suppose he could have told us that himself. In fact he did, didn't he?
If he walks away from this after a couple of days of tests in hospital we'll never hear last of it from his cult: super strong Trump beats the virus etc etc.
Oh. He's doing very well. I suppose he could have told us that himself. In fact he did, didn't he?
If he walks away from this after a couple of days of tests in hospital we'll never hear last of it from his cult: super strong Trump beats the virus etc etc.
It is remarkable. It sounds as though he had the fever even before he received the positive result, and cleared it even before he was rushed to hospital as an emergency precautionary measure.
For a moment there I thought each doctor was merely going to introduce themselves and then the next doctor, all the way down to the most junior doctor who might actually have been able to give a slightly more coherent update than that.
Apparently, this doctor is an osteopath. So his knowledge of betting rules may be close to his knowledge of virology.
I doubt he is leading the treatment now Trump is in the hospital.
Oh dear. Did I start this with my post earlier today? The American DO degree is like an MD plus osteopathy. It covers both general medicine and osteopathy; it is not one or the other. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Osteopathic_Medicine
For a moment there I thought each doctor was merely going to introduce themselves and then the next doctor, all the way down to the most junior doctor who might actually have been able to give a slightly more coherent update than that.
They all looked like the Doctor off the Simpsons....
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It's of no use to contact tracing. It will completely distort the case figures, as many people will stop having symptoms by day eight and not bother to be tested, or will return a negative test by that point. Is there any rationale for it at all?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/03/uk-covid-testing-cutoff-quietly-extended-to-eight-days-after-first-signs
https://twitter.com/wheniwasgreg/status/1312390537136218114
'According to a Brookings Institution study, the median household income in House districts held by Democrats rose from $54,000 in 2008 to $61,000 a decade later. In Republican districts, it declined from $55,000 to $53,000...House districts in the bottom two quintiles of income distribution accounted for about half of the districts in the Democratic caucus in 1960, according to Michael Podhorzer, a strategist at the AFL-CIO. By 2018, they represented less than one third. The share of GOP districts from the bottom two quintiles more than doubled during that same time. In 2018, districts in the bottom 40 percent of income distribution accounted for slightly more than half of GOP districts.
Education and diversity drive the change. Brookings demographer William Frey analyzed 102 counties that had voted Republican in 2004 and Democratic in 2016. In aggregate in 2016 they were 46.4% non-White; 22.9% White college graduate and 30.7% non-college White. The 2,427 counties that voted Republican in both 2004 and 2016 had less than half the share of non-White population and almost double the share of non-college Whites. Those counties were 20.7% nonwhite; 21.8% White college and 57.5% non-college White. Since 2016, the Republican hemorrhage of college-educated Whites has grown worse, turning affluent suburbs ever bluer.'
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-10-01/democratic-money-machine-shows-socialism-will-be-a-hard-sell
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1312191860073406464?s=19
https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1312395019710533632?s=20
This market will be turned in-play at the stated time on the day of the election.
Unless I've been asleep for a month the day of the election isn't even close.
Betfair may, in its sole and absolute discretion, decide to suspend betting on a market at any time (even if such suspension is earlier than anticipated by the Exchange Rules). In the interests of maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets, Betfair may also void certain bets in a market or void a whole market in its entirety.
https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2020/06/21/8082287199381273528/640x360_MP4_8082287199381273528.mp4
Pretty sure Jackie Baillie and Ian 'almost defected to Change UK by accident' Murray will be in the driving seat for this one. Be interesting to see who they choose from the rich array of talent available,
And Mighty Wigan 20-0 down.
Am tempted to watch Raab speak.
Not really.
'If any candidate withdraws for any reason, including death, all bets on the market will stand and be settled as per the defined rules.'
So they aren't even sticking to their own rules.
https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1312392963855716352?s=20
Just because they legally can suspend the market doesn't make it morally correct.
It may very well be annoying that they have suspended new bets at this point, but that's entirely within their Ts&Cs. Your contractual complaint only comes in if they refuse to settle a bet in your favour that ought to have been so settled under their rules.
I think you were complaining earlier about them "cancelling" your unmatched bet. But it's unmatched - it isn't a bet, just an offer you'd made and nobody had accepted at the time of suspension.
Do they also offer a market in BitCoin?
If they don't settle according to the rules and use their t&c to void that will be wrong. Not allowing new bets at the current time is perfectly moral (not saying to allow new bets would be immoral by the way).
Don't expect businesses to behave morally, but commercially.
Don't expect other gamblers to behave morally.
If you are looking to profit on a market where a big chunk of the volatility is the death or ill health of another being (and I would be if the market was open) don't lecture others on morals.
Imagine if he dies and the first we find out about it is by Betfair moving dramatically to 1000 before it gets officially announced. That's not the kind of publicity they necessarily want and they're under no onus to be an in-play market on whether someone lives or dies.
I'm quite confident in my position, as I was when Betfair screwed up the TMay exit market, I'd rather not have to go to IBAS again, but I shall.
It says suspension is at their absolute discretion. Cancelling bets is "in the interests if maintaining integrity and fairness in the markets."
You'd have a case if they cancelled a matched bet that had won under the terms of the market. But not suspending markets - they simply don't HAVE to take your money (and match it with any money I've put on the table).
I don't think people are appreciating the distinction between cancellation and suspension on this thread. But it's a big difference. In your example, the casino can stop spinning the roulette wheel for the night when it pleases - but cannot refuse to settle my bet when I've bet on black and it has just landed on black.
People have money locked up in the market they cannot get out to bet with someone who would offer a market.
Are they going to keep it suspended till election day? People on here are arguing it would be perfectly okay for them to do that!
Cancelling matched bets is an entirely different kettle of fish.
The door closed on ludicrous extensions of estoppel when he popped his clogs, and you've zero chance. Good luck trying to establish a convention on when they do and do not suspend a market based on illness when their terms are clear that they have absolute discretion on suspension.
Whether its right or wrong for them to do that is a matter for them - and people may choose to use them less in the future if they do. But it seems crystal clear in their Ts and Cs that is their absolute perogative to do.
Otherwise you have made a bet and it uses up your funds the same way it does with every other bookie.
Some enterprising chap pointed out they had created estoppels on when a leader quits when they paid out on Brown and Milliband E ceasing to be leader in May 2010 and May 2015 not when their successor was elected.
https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/1312078616117874689?s=19
So his knowledge of betting rules may be close to his knowledge of virology.
How do we get out of this dystopia?
If he dies then the market will be settled accordingly. Doesn't mean they either intended or are obliged to make this a betting market on whether someone who is in hospital lives or dies.
One day of sampling includes effects from Trumps positive covid diagnosis. Nate Cohn notes a modest shift to Biden on that day and also notes that for their current in field Arizona poll.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/03/opinion/trump-coronavirus-covid.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
https://twitter.com/GovChristie/status/1312416381758050305
Did anyone expect less from him?
One of the biggest downsides to Brexit is having to read the smug self-satisfied nonsense written by Gove.
Why not a WH spokesperson?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Osteopathic_Medicine
I'll get my coat....