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tlg86

First like Leicester (until Liverpool go above the tomorrow night).

alex_

tlg86 said:

First like Leicester (until Liverpool go above the tomorrow night).

You could get a good price for that!

FrancisUrquhart

https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1310258184439779329?s=19

alex_

What's going on with the frames on the main website?

not_on_fire

85% for Biden feels a mite high

SandyRentool

Latest news from the halls of residence:

The Civil Engineering students are digging a tunnel, the Aeronautical Engineering students are building a glider and the PE students have set up a vaulting horse in the quad.

The American Studies students will claim all of the credit.

LadyG

Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

MikeSmithson

alex_ said:

What's going on with the frames on the main website?

It works just fine for me

nichomar

LadyG said:

Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

Of course they were all two meters apart or wearing masks, not having physical contact with each other or planning to go and see grandma for Sunday lunch. So no problem

SandyRentool

LadyG said:

Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

London lockdown incoming...

glw

SandyRentool said:

LadyG said:

Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

London lockdown incoming...

One of the most facepalming things I've heard on the radio in the last few weeks was a bunch of people agreeing with the new restrictions imposed on pubs, whilst they were speaking from a pub.

Alistair

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

Benpointer

MikeSmithson said:

alex_ said:

What's going on with the frames on the main website?

It works just fine for me

Seems ok to me. Only issue I have is that for some bizarre reason I have to scroll up and down several times after refreshing the page before any comments appear. Otherwise fine.

Good work from the the team (person?) that supports this - no doubt on a shoestring.

MaxPB

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

nichomar

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

Scott_xP

https://twitter.com/tortoise/status/1310300694948311041

MaxPB

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Malmesbury

SandyRentool said:

Latest news from the halls of residence:

The Civil Engineering students are digging a tunnel, the Aeronautical Engineering students are building a glider and the PE students have set up a vaulting horse in the quad.

The American Studies students will claim all of the credit.

The police will need to put some extra chains on their motorbikes then.

I thought the American would be setting up a still?

Benpointer

glw said:

SandyRentool said:

LadyG said:

Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

London lockdown incoming...

One of the most facepalming things I've heard on the radio in the last few weeks was a bunch of people agreeing with the new restrictions imposed on pubs, whilst they were speaking from a pub.

One of the most facepaming things I've heard is the PM lamenting that "...while the vast majority have complied with the rules there have been too many breaches".

Dominic says Hi.

Benpointer

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

MaxPB

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

Scott_xP

World beating...

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1310288880957087752

Casino_Royale

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

Where would you go? Where's better?

Northern_Al

SandyRentool said:

Latest news from the halls of residence:

The Civil Engineering students are digging a tunnel, the Aeronautical Engineering students are building a glider and the PE students have set up a vaulting horse in the quad.

The American Studies students will claim all of the credit.

And presumably the philosophy students are contemplating what to do.

MaxPB

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

Where would you go? Where's better?

Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.

CorrectHorseBattery

LadyG said:

Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

This is not a good thing, it suggests that the curfew has had the opposite impact.

We want people staying at home, not out boozing and spreading the virus around.

HMG have made a big misstep with this policy

Alistair

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/tortoise/status/1310300694948311041

One long term outcome of Covid for the UK medical system is UK doctors taking Chronic Fatigue seriously.

ydoethur

Scott_xP said:

World beating...

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1310288880957087752

Phillip II of Spain had a plan as well.
https://youtu.be/SXtbrRyN9cI

Casino_Royale

On topic, after a wobble a couple of days ago I'm now back to thinking Biden will comfortably win.

I expect there to be a huge overreaction to this. I just hope the Democrats learn the right lessons from it and don't fall into a trap of confirmation bias.

If they're like the Bourbons - having learnt nothing and forgotten nothing - someone very much like Trump, or worse, will be back in the near future.

nichomar

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

There are better approaches to this, I’ve maintained that the existing regs should have been policed better and that letting the pubs and restaurants remain open longer would actually be more effective providing people follow the guidelines whilst in them. I doubt many people have a clue what rules apply to them as it chops and changes on what looks like a daily basis. I’m quite relieved I live in Spain where I know our local rules which haven’t changed for six weeks and very few seek to work around them because they are not draconian and our Valencia rate was still falling last time I looked at 100/100,000 which in the UK would have you under house arrest.

ydoethur

Northern_Al said:

SandyRentool said:

Latest news from the halls of residence:

The Civil Engineering students are digging a tunnel, the Aeronautical Engineering students are building a glider and the PE students have set up a vaulting horse in the quad.

The American Studies students will claim all of the credit.

And presumably the philosophy students are contemplating what to do.

Daft comment.

They’ll be contemplating why humans have an irresistible urge to escape when feeling trapped.

The business students of course will be working out how to charge consultancy fees.

The geography students will be drawing maps so everyone can get completely lost while tunnelling.

And the History students, being smarter, never turned up at all so are sat at home wondering what the f*** all the fuss is about.

LadyG

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

I don't want to emigrate permanently, I love London and my country, my friends and fam. BUT if it weren't for family ties I would definitely rent out my flat, and go live somewhere sunny and cheap for a year or two, if it were feasible

ydoethur

CorrectHorseBattery said:

LadyG said:

Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

This is not a good thing, it suggests that the curfew has had the opposite impact.

We want people staying at home, not out boozing and spreading the virus around.

HMG have made a big misstep with this policy

That implies there are policies they haven’t made big missteps with.

Could you name three?

Casino_Royale

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

Where would you go? Where's better?

Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.

Switzerland is boring though and there are too many rules.

Canada? Probably the most politically correct place I've ever been.

Australia? Full of Aussies. Not much culture and too far. Plus it's on fire.

New Zealand? No-one lives there. Too far. Boring. No eye candy. Sheep.

USA? Two warring sides. Extreme culture wars. Possible civil conflict one day. Guns. Serious social problems.

So, whenever I think about this, I'm back to the UK in 5 minutes.

At the end of the day this is my home. Whenever I'm gone I miss it terribly and love getting back here.

ydoethur

LadyG said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

I don't want to emigrate permanently, I love London and my country, my friends and fam. BUT if it weren't for family ties I would definitely rent out my flat, and go live somewhere sunny and cheap for a year or two, if it were feasible

Was that the logic of Penarth?

MaxPB

One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

Alistair

Casino_Royale said:

On topic, after a wobble a couple of days ago I'm now back to thinking Biden will comfortably win.

I expect there to be a huge overreaction to this. I just hope the Democrats learn the right lessons from it and don't fall into a trap of confirmation bias.

If they're like the Bourbons - having learnt nothing and forgotten nothing - someone very much like Trump, or worse, will be back in the near future.

Tom Cotton. Get your money on him now.

Disclaimer: I was saying this about Sherrod Brown for the Dems in 2016

nichomar

Watching Phantom on Sky Arts but it doesn’t seem to work on TV

MaxPB

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

Where would you go? Where's better?

Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.

Switzerland is boring though and there are too many rules.

Canada? Probably the most politically correct place I've ever been.

Australia? Full of Aussies. Not much culture and too far. Plus it's on fire.

New Zealand? No-one lives there. Too far. Boring. No eye candy. Sheep.

USA? Two warring sides. Extreme culture wars. Possible civil conflict one day. Guns. Serious social problems.

So, whenever I think about this, I'm back to the UK in 5 minutes.

At the end of the day this is my home. Whenever I'm gone I miss it terribly and love getting back here.

There are a lot of rules but ultimately it's personal choice to stick to them or not and tbh, it's not that onerous because none of them are stupid. It's also about education and schools, I'm not the only one worried about this either but I think it's a conversation better had over email or private message.

LadyG

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

Where would you go? Where's better?

Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.

Italian speaking Switzerland is absolutely gorgeous. Almost perfect. Great landscape, great climate, great wine and food. And they are so multilingual everyone resorts to English, which helps

Problem is: it's also hideously expensive. If you're on a Swiss wage fair enough, if you're not you need to be a multi-millionaire to have a nice life

Benpointer

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

Where would you go? Where's better?

Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.

I genuinely find it really hard to understand why you would believe the UK doesn't feel like a free society any more. What has changed in the past two decades to make you think that?

In terms of freedom, I can only think of things that have improved on the free society front (e.g. gay marriage).

MaxPB

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

There are better approaches to this, I’ve maintained that the existing regs should have been policed better and that letting the pubs and restaurants remain open longer would actually be more effective providing people follow the guidelines whilst in them. I doubt many people have a clue what rules apply to them as it chops and changes on what looks like a daily basis. I’m quite relieved I live in Spain where I know our local rules which haven’t changed for six weeks and very few seek to work around them because they are not draconian and our Valencia rate was still falling last time I looked at 100/100,000 which in the UK would have you under house arrest.

We'd be under house arrest and everyone would be cheering about it asking for more lockdown. The UK is broken. Our society is breaking down and the state is making it happen.

Benpointer

ydoethur said:

LadyG said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

I don't want to emigrate permanently, I love London and my country, my friends and fam. BUT if it weren't for family ties I would definitely rent out my flat, and go live somewhere sunny and cheap for a year or two, if it were feasible

Was that the logic of Penarth?

I think he said somewhere 'sunny' as well as cheap .

FrancisUrquhart

MaxPB said:

One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

Even before covid we were going a bit that way. Anything happens and immediately people film it / take a photo and upload it to the social media

Now for serious crimes / misbehaving by those in positions of power that seems ok, but we all see clips of people being a bit of a dick, minor indiscretions or accusing somebody of doing things with no proof.

And then the social media mob become judge, jury and executioner.

MaxPB

LadyG said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

Where would you go? Where's better?

Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.

Italian speaking Switzerland is absolutely gorgeous. Almost perfect. Great landscape, great climate, great wine and food. And they are so multilingual everyone resorts to English, which helps

Problem is: it's also hideously expensive. If you're on a Swiss wage fair enough, if you're not you need to be a multi-millionaire to have a nice life

My wife is Swiss and I'm an investment manager...

SandyRentool

ydoethur said:

Northern_Al said:

SandyRentool said:

Latest news from the halls of residence:

The Civil Engineering students are digging a tunnel, the Aeronautical Engineering students are building a glider and the PE students have set up a vaulting horse in the quad.

The American Studies students will claim all of the credit.

And presumably the philosophy students are contemplating what to do.

Daft comment.

They’ll be contemplating why humans have an irresistible urge to escape when feeling trapped.

The business students of course will be working out how to charge consultancy fees.

The geography students will be drawing maps so everyone can get completely lost while tunnelling.

And the History students, being smarter, never turned up at all so are sat at home wondering what the f*** all the fuss is about.

The PPE students are the only ones wearing face masks.

Foxy

Northern_Al said:

SandyRentool said:

Latest news from the halls of residence:

The Civil Engineering students are digging a tunnel, the Aeronautical Engineering students are building a glider and the PE students have set up a vaulting horse in the quad.

The American Studies students will claim all of the credit.

And presumably the philosophy students are contemplating what to do.

The Post modernists are constructing a new reality.

Benpointer

ydoethur said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

LadyG said:

Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

This is not a good thing, it suggests that the curfew has had the opposite impact.

We want people staying at home, not out boozing and spreading the virus around.

HMG have made a big misstep with this policy

That implies there are policies they haven’t made big missteps with.

Could you name three?

1. Investing in vaccine research.
2. Increasing our contribution to the WHO, and
3... er, struggling now.

Still credit where it's due with the first two. Shame about the dozens of mistakes though.

MaxPB

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

Where would you go? Where's better?

Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.

I genuinely find it really hard to understand why you would believe the UK doesn't feel like a free society any more. What has changed in the past two decades to make you think that?

In terms of freedom, I can only think of things that have improved on the free society front (e.g. gay marriage).

Everything we do is monitored by the state, we're being asked to snitch on each other, we have an effective curfew in place despite there being no evidence it is necessary. State intrusion into people's lives has become overbearing IMO, and I can understand it in the current context but I don't believe that the government (of any party) will give up this power and the people seem so mollified that they wouldn't want the government to give up this power.

LadyG

MaxPB said:

LadyG said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

Where would you go? Where's better?

Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.

Italian speaking Switzerland is absolutely gorgeous. Almost perfect. Great landscape, great climate, great wine and food. And they are so multilingual everyone resorts to English, which helps

Problem is: it's also hideously expensive. If you're on a Swiss wage fair enough, if you're not you need to be a multi-millionaire to have a nice life

My wife is Swiss and I'm an investment manager...

Then go for it. I wish I could join you in Lugano. Gorgeous place

FrancisUrquhart

The emphasis on grass up your neighbour over rule of 6 seemed very unBritish. Rather than appealing to our better nature not to kill granny, it was all about big fines and dobbing Bob over the way if they have 7 people in their front room.

tlg86

@MaxPB - move to Surrey, Sussex or Hampshire. You'll never see a police officer and we don't talk to our neighbours or care what they are doing.

Benpointer

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

Where would you go? Where's better?

Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.

I genuinely find it really hard to understand why you would believe the UK doesn't feel like a free society any more. What has changed in the past two decades to make you think that?

In terms of freedom, I can only think of things that have improved on the free society front (e.g. gay marriage).

Everything we do is monitored by the state, we're being asked to snitch on each other, we have an effective curfew in place despite there being no evidence it is necessary. State intrusion into people's lives has become overbearing IMO, and I can understand it in the current context but I don't believe that the government (of any party) will give up this power and the people seem so mollified that they wouldn't want the government to give up this power.

I respect your view but I can honestly say I feel there is very little intrusion into my life by the state, beyond the stuff that has existed all my life (e.g. they insist on knowing my income, I have to get permission to build on my property, etc. - things that I accept for the greater good).

You don't think you might be being a little bit paranoid do you?

Benpointer

tlg86 said:

@MaxPB - move to Surrey, Sussex or Hampshire. You'll never see a police officer and we don't talk to our neighbours or care what they are doing.

Ditto Dorset

rottenborough

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

Where would you go? Where's better?

Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.

I genuinely find it really hard to understand why you would believe the UK doesn't feel like a free society any more. What has changed in the past two decades to make you think that?

In terms of freedom, I can only think of things that have improved on the free society front (e.g. gay marriage).

Everything we do is monitored by the state, we're being asked to snitch on each other, we have an effective curfew in place despite there being no evidence it is necessary. State intrusion into people's lives has become overbearing IMO, and I can understand it in the current context but I don't believe that the government (of any party) will give up this power and the people seem so mollified that they wouldn't want the government to give up this power.

There is certainly a danger these new powers will be used every winter to suppress flu even if we sort out covid (which in any case I suspect those scientists who say it is with us, in some form, for generations now are right)

MaxPB

FrancisUrquhart said:

The emphasis on grass up your neighbour over rule of 6 seemed very unBritish. Rather than appealing to our better nature not to kill granny, it was all about big fines and dobbing Bob over the way if they have 7 people in their front room.

Yes, that and the curfew just feel wrong. Seriously wrong.

Kevin_McCandless

CorrectHorseBattery said:

LadyG said:

Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

This is not a good thing, it suggests that the curfew has had the opposite impact.

We want people staying at home, not out boozing and spreading the virus around.

HMG have made a big misstep with this policy

Lots of folks I know here in London simply assume we're about to walloped. A packed West End could be people rushing around to do stuff they won't be able to do for months.

I've got my own bucket list - go to a whole bunch of movies, as well as visit the National Gallery. Boring as anything but there it is.

Malmesbury

tlg86 said:

@MaxPB - move to Surrey, Sussex or Hampshire. You'll never see a police officer and we don't talk to our neighbours or care what they are doing.

A friend in the sticks told me the following story - the police weren't interested in a spate of garden shed/farm building robberies.

So the local hedge funding owning guy hired some rent-a-cops to patrol the village. The police then devoted considerable time and effort to harassing the rent-a-cops, claiming that they were pretending to be real policemen.

Apparently, the police finally showed up at hedge fund guys house and stated that the rent-a-cop thing was not on, and they would not stop detaining them etc. So his plan wasn't going to work and he might as well stop.... His response was "Got you down the village, hasn't it?".....

SandyRentool

It occurred to me that the people previously following the rules are now having to follow tightened rules because of the people who didn't follow the old rules. Meanwhile the latter won't be following the tightened rules either so they are unaffected.

At least I get to call them dickheads.

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1310309042162630658

Foxy

MaxPB said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

The emphasis on grass up your neighbour over rule of 6 seemed very unBritish. Rather than appealing to our better nature not to kill granny, it was all about big fines and dobbing Bob over the way if they have 7 people in their front room.

Yes, that and the curfew just feel wrong. Seriously wrong.

Yeah, but better than shutting things down entirely.

Malmesbury

Benpointer said:

ydoethur said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

LadyG said:

Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

This is not a good thing, it suggests that the curfew has had the opposite impact.

We want people staying at home, not out boozing and spreading the virus around.

HMG have made a big misstep with this policy

That implies there are policies they haven’t made big missteps with.

Could you name three?

1. Investing in vaccine research.
2. Increasing our contribution to the WHO, and
3... er, struggling now.

Still credit where it's due with the first two. Shame about the dozens of mistakes though.

Apparently we have too much PPE now. Or something.

Nigelb

MaxPB said:

One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

Is there any evidence (other than HYUFD’s posts) that we’ve built, or even are on the way to building a society that’s happy to snitch ?
Oh, and making Dacre head of OFCOM.

ladupnorth

MaxPB said:

One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

So would you prefer that the public do not report lawbreaking?

Nigelb

Malmesbury said:

Benpointer said:

ydoethur said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

LadyG said:

Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

This is not a good thing, it suggests that the curfew has had the opposite impact.

We want people staying at home, not out boozing and spreading the virus around.

HMG have made a big misstep with this policy

That implies there are policies they haven’t made big missteps with.

Could you name three?

1. Investing in vaccine research.
2. Increasing our contribution to the WHO, and
3... er, struggling now.

Still credit where it's due with the first two. Shame about the dozens of mistakes though.

Apparently we have too much PPE now. Or something.

In the cabinet ?

nichomar

Nigelb said:

MaxPB said:

One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

Is there any evidence (other than HYUFD’s posts) that we’ve built, or even are on the way to building a society that’s happy to snitch ?
Oh, and making Dacre head of OFCOM.

He must be away for the weekend, maybe Gibraltar?

rottenborough

Ohio in play?

https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/status/1310259941618470912

CorrectHorseBattery

ydoethur said:

CorrectHorseBattery said:

LadyG said:

Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

This is not a good thing, it suggests that the curfew has had the opposite impact.

We want people staying at home, not out boozing and spreading the virus around.

HMG have made a big misstep with this policy

That implies there are policies they haven’t made big missteps with.

Could you name three?

Whenever I make a comment like that I get told to calm down.

You know me by now, work it out

FrancisUrquhart

rottenborough said:

Ohio in play?

https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/status/1310259941618470912

So they don't intend to meet any voters then.

dixiedean

I'd like to see some figures on grassing before I make any judgement on the state of our society.
Also on how many fines handed out.

IanB2

LadyG said:

MaxPB said:

LadyG said:

MaxPB said:

Casino_Royale said:

MaxPB said:

Benpointer said:

MaxPB said:

nichomar said:

MaxPB said:

Alistair said:

I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

It has, except for off licences.

Don’t they have to close at 10?

No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.

Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.

No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?

Where would you go? Where's better?

Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.

Italian speaking Switzerland is absolutely gorgeous. Almost perfect. Great landscape, great climate, great wine and food. And they are so multilingual everyone resorts to English, which helps

Problem is: it's also hideously expensive. If you're on a Swiss wage fair enough, if you're not you need to be a multi-millionaire to have a nice life

My wife is Swiss and I'm an investment manager...

Then go for it. I wish I could join you in Lugano. Gorgeous place

I was going to stop over near there tomorrow, but am now driving straight through to southern Germany, just across the border from Basel.

MaxPB

Nigelb said:

MaxPB said:

One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

Is there any evidence (other than HYUFD’s posts) that we’ve built, or even are on the way to building a society that’s happy to snitch ?
Oh, and making Dacre head of OFCOM.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rule-of-six-snitches-swamp-police-coronavirus-line-0t0b926nn

And countless other reports.

Alistair

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1310309042162630658

Frank Luntz, the man who popularised "Death Panels" and other weaponised lies is worried about American Democracy. Bless.

Next you'll be telling David "Axis of Evil" Frum is worried that Trump may destabilise international relationships.

nichomar

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

Ohio in play?

https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/status/1310259941618470912

So they don't intent to meet any voters then.

Don’t they make speeches off the back of the Train to small audiences at rail halts?

FrancisUrquhart

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1310310382926430208?s=09

Benpointer

rottenborough said:

Ohio in play?

https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/status/1310259941618470912

538 think so:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/ohio/

Peter_the_Punter

Malmesbury said:

tlg86 said:

@MaxPB - move to Surrey, Sussex or Hampshire. You'll never see a police officer and we don't talk to our neighbours or care what they are doing.

A friend in the sticks told me the following story - the police weren't interested in a spate of garden shed/farm building robberies.

So the local hedge funding owning guy hired some rent-a-cops to patrol the village. The police then devoted considerable time and effort to harassing the rent-a-cops, claiming that they were pretending to be real policemen.

Apparently, the police finally showed up at hedge fund guys house and stated that the rent-a-cop thing was not on, and they would not stop detaining them etc. So his plan wasn't going to work and he might as well stop.... His response was "Got you down the village, hasn't it?".....

Sigh. Makes me nostalgic for the days when we used to get Reggie and Ronnie to sort out our little local difficulties. They were good value for money too. Bet we paid much less than your hedgefunder.

Nigelb

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1310309042162630658

Bit rich from the guy who’s made an entire career of churning out euphemisms for extreme policies... but I guess there’s more joy in heaven over one last sinner who repents, etc.

Foxy

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

Ohio in play?

https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/status/1310259941618470912

So they don't intend to meet any voters then.

Joe is going for the train buff vote.

Though isn't speaking from a train on a political tour the very definition of a whistle-stop tour?

Alistair

rottenborough said:

Ohio in play?

https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/status/1310259941618470912

My Dems Ohio bet is now in profit so very much so. Polling has been good for Biden there and the troubles the local GOP find themselves in are enourmas.

MaxPB

ladupnorth said:

MaxPB said:

One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

So would you prefer that the public do not report lawbreaking?

Unless it's a serious crime and it's something specifically witnessed, no I don't. It's also not lawbreaking, it's reporting of what people think is lawbreaking. It's like people reporting their neighbours to the Gestapo, it was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Once everyone gets used to it we won't be able to turn back the clock.

dixiedean

Wish folk would stop calling it a curfew. It is shutting the pubs at 10.
A curfew is when you aren't allowed out. Usually enforced by armed patrols.

Malmesbury

MaxPB said:

ladupnorth said:

MaxPB said:

One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

So would you prefer that the public do not report lawbreaking?

Unless it's a serious crime and it's something specifically witnessed, no I don't. It's also not lawbreaking, it's reporting of what people think is lawbreaking. It's like people reporting their neighbours to the Gestapo, it was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Once everyone gets used to it we won't be able to turn back the clock.

In just about every country, the police are bombarded data and night with bogus and not so bogus tips.

The Gestapo thing was just the same thing pushed into the political arena.

This is why the police know who did what crime, 99% of the time. Someone told them.

I learnt this by talking to police in various countries.

Alistair

Betting Tip: North Carolina looks too long for Biden.

Trump has had one lead in the last 8 polls. The Dem momentum in the early.voting is maintained.

It should be a straight 50/50 at worst for Biden but you can get him @2.2 which seems a great price to me.

Foxy

dixiedean said:

Wish folk would stop calling it a curfew. It is shutting the pubs at 10.
A curfew is when you aren't allowed out. Usually enforced by armed patrols.

Not being able to visit other peoples houses is not lockdown either.

Benpointer

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

Ohio in play?

https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/status/1310259941618470912

So they don't intend to meet any voters then.

Joe is going for the train buff vote.

Though isn't speaking from a train on a political tour the very definition of a whistle-stop tour?

Are there actually any whistle-stops these days?

Paging @Sunil_Prasannan

rottenborough

Justin Riemer, chief counsel at Republican National Committee, one of the leaders of the effort: “We will spend whatever it takes to make sure the election is conducted orderly and that we push back on the Democrats’ litigation to strike down various safeguards on the election process.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/27/trump-legal-network-election-day-fight-422035

Malmesbury

Peter_the_Punter said:

Malmesbury said:

tlg86 said:

@MaxPB - move to Surrey, Sussex or Hampshire. You'll never see a police officer and we don't talk to our neighbours or care what they are doing.

A friend in the sticks told me the following story - the police weren't interested in a spate of garden shed/farm building robberies.

So the local hedge funding owning guy hired some rent-a-cops to patrol the village. The police then devoted considerable time and effort to harassing the rent-a-cops, claiming that they were pretending to be real policemen.

Apparently, the police finally showed up at hedge fund guys house and stated that the rent-a-cop thing was not on, and they would not stop detaining them etc. So his plan wasn't going to work and he might as well stop.... His response was "Got you down the village, hasn't it?".....

Sigh. Makes me nostalgic for the days when we used to get Reggie and Ronnie to sort out our little local difficulties. They were good value for money too. Bet we paid much less than your hedgefunder.

Apparently all they were doing was security guarding - driving round in their little car with vaguely police like paint scheme. It's not like he'd hired mercenaries or something.

But it winds the police up....

Peter_the_Punter

Alistair said:

rottenborough said:

Ohio in play?

https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/status/1310259941618470912

My Dems Ohio bet is now in profit so very much so. Polling has been good for Biden there and the troubles the local GOP find themselves in are enourmas.

Last few days I have the impression the contest is now beyond Trump. The polling evidence is almost overwhelming and the anecdotal and more intuitive elements are gathering strength.

Anthony Scaramucci is the latest to start calling the last rites for the Trump campaign. The hurried Supreme Court nomination screams out that the administration knows its days are numbered. And here in PB Land, Hyufd is suddenly conspicuous by his absence.

It's over.

Foxy

Malmesbury said:

MaxPB said:

ladupnorth said:

MaxPB said:

One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

So would you prefer that the public do not report lawbreaking?

Unless it's a serious crime and it's something specifically witnessed, no I don't. It's also not lawbreaking, it's reporting of what people think is lawbreaking. It's like people reporting their neighbours to the Gestapo, it was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Once everyone gets used to it we won't be able to turn back the clock.

In just about every country, the police are bombarded data and night with bogus and not so bogus tips.

The Gestapo thing was just the same thing pushed into the political arena.

This is why the police know who did what crime, 99% of the time. Someone told them.

I learnt this by talking to police in various countries.

A ridiculous amount of police reports are people complaining about what other people have said about them on Social Media.

MaxPB

Malmesbury said:

MaxPB said:

ladupnorth said:

MaxPB said:

One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

So would you prefer that the public do not report lawbreaking?

Unless it's a serious crime and it's something specifically witnessed, no I don't. It's also not lawbreaking, it's reporting of what people think is lawbreaking. It's like people reporting their neighbours to the Gestapo, it was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Once everyone gets used to it we won't be able to turn back the clock.

In just about every country, the police are bombarded data and night with bogus and not so bogus tips.

The Gestapo thing was just the same thing pushed into the political arena.

This is why the police know who did what crime, 99% of the time. Someone told them.

I learnt this by talking to police in various countries.

I have no issue with witnesses coming forwards if a crime has been committed. What I don't think is right is people voluntary snitching on their fellow man because they think a crime is happening. Unless someone's life is clearly in jeopardy such as abuse there is basically no reason for getting involved in another person's private business.

williamglenn

Interesting message. https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1310313259656867840?s=21

dixiedean

Foxy said:

dixiedean said:

Wish folk would stop calling it a curfew. It is shutting the pubs at 10.
A curfew is when you aren't allowed out. Usually enforced by armed patrols.

Not being able to visit other peoples houses is not lockdown either.

Indeed. We never had lockdown.
My friend was trapped in Cyprus. They had to send a text to the Police to leave the house, with a reason, once a day. And wait up to an hour for permission. And be given a set route and time.
That was a lockdown.

rottenborough

Alistair said:

rottenborough said:

Ohio in play?

https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/status/1310259941618470912

My Dems Ohio bet is now in profit so very much so. Polling has been good for Biden there and the troubles the local GOP find themselves in are enourmas.

So Ohio goes, so goes the nation.

Peter_the_Punter

Malmesbury said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

Malmesbury said:

tlg86 said:

@MaxPB - move to Surrey, Sussex or Hampshire. You'll never see a police officer and we don't talk to our neighbours or care what they are doing.

A friend in the sticks told me the following story - the police weren't interested in a spate of garden shed/farm building robberies.

So the local hedge funding owning guy hired some rent-a-cops to patrol the village. The police then devoted considerable time and effort to harassing the rent-a-cops, claiming that they were pretending to be real policemen.

Apparently, the police finally showed up at hedge fund guys house and stated that the rent-a-cop thing was not on, and they would not stop detaining them etc. So his plan wasn't going to work and he might as well stop.... His response was "Got you down the village, hasn't it?".....

Sigh. Makes me nostalgic for the days when we used to get Reggie and Ronnie to sort out our little local difficulties. They were good value for money too. Bet we paid much less than your hedgefunder.

Apparently all they were doing was security guarding - driving round in their little car with vaguely police like paint scheme. It's not like he'd hired mercenaries or something.

But it winds the police up....

The protection racket just isn't what it used to be. Now when I were a lad......

Foxy

dixiedean said:

Foxy said:

dixiedean said:

Wish folk would stop calling it a curfew. It is shutting the pubs at 10.
A curfew is when you aren't allowed out. Usually enforced by armed patrols.

Not being able to visit other peoples houses is not lockdown either.

Indeed. We never had lockdown.
My friend was trapped in Cyprus. They had to send a text to the Police to leave the house, with a reason, once a day. And wait up to an hour for permission. And be given a set route and time.
That was a lockdown.

Yes, that is what my Greek friends had in Thessalonika too.

rottenborough

Peter_the_Punter said:

Alistair said:

rottenborough said:

Ohio in play?

https://twitter.com/sarahmucha/status/1310259941618470912

My Dems Ohio bet is now in profit so very much so. Polling has been good for Biden there and the troubles the local GOP find themselves in are enourmas.

Last few days I have the impression the contest is now beyond Trump. The polling evidence is almost overwhelming and the anecdotal and more intuitive elements are gathering strength.

Anthony Scaramucci is the latest to start calling the last rites for the Trump campaign. The hurried Supreme Court nomination screams out that the administration knows its days are numbered. And here in PB Land, Hyufd is suddenly conspicuous by his absence.

It's over.

Apart from all the GOP lawyers working to stop the counting of votes.

SandyRentool

dixiedean said:

Wish folk would stop calling it a curfew. It is shutting the pubs at 10.
A curfew is when you aren't allowed out. Usually enforced by armed patrols.

It's only half an hour earlier than closing time when I was young. No big deal.

FrancisUrquhart

dixiedean said:

Foxy said:

dixiedean said:

Wish folk would stop calling it a curfew. It is shutting the pubs at 10.
A curfew is when you aren't allowed out. Usually enforced by armed patrols.

Not being able to visit other peoples houses is not lockdown either.

Indeed. We never had lockdown.
My friend was trapped in Cyprus. They had to send a text to the Police to leave the house, with a reason, once a day. And wait up to an hour for permission. And be given a set route and time.
That was a lockdown.

When we finally got to "lockdown", despite all the screeching about what if i am a freelance journalist will the rozzers hard stop my motor or what about my marathon training, i think the rules were pretty fair e.g alllowed out to exercise. As you say lots of places it was stay in your home, period, end of, except for food / medicine.

Peter_the_Punter

Alistair said:

Betting Tip: North Carolina looks too long for Biden.

Trump has had one lead in the last 8 polls. The Dem momentum in the early.voting is maintained.

It should be a straight 50/50 at worst for Biden but you can get him @2.2 which seems a great price to me.

Correct, although personally I won't bother. If he takes S Carolina Biden wins big and I clean up on the spreads (which incidentally have moved significantly towards Biden since the value vis-a-vis Betfair was highlighted here.)