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Just two days before the first WH2020 TV debate the Economist forecasts a big Biden election victory

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited September 27 in General
Just two days before the first WH2020 TV debate the Economist forecasts a big Biden election victory – politicalbetting.com

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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 15,207
    First like Leicester (until Liverpool go above the tomorrow night).
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 3,155
    tlg86 said:

    First like Leicester (until Liverpool go above the tomorrow night).

    You could get a good price for that!
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 3,155
    What's going on with the frames on the main website?
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 3,694
    85% for Biden feels a mite high
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,928
    Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

    Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

    Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 6,344
    alex_ said:

    What's going on with the frames on the main website?

    It works just fine for me

  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    LadyG said:

    Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

    Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

    Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

    Of course they were all two meters apart or wearing masks, not having physical contact with each other or planning to go and see grandma for Sunday lunch. So no problem
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 12,246
    LadyG said:

    Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

    Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

    Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

    London lockdown incoming...
  • glwglw Posts: 6,699

    LadyG said:

    Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

    Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

    Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

    London lockdown incoming...
    One of the most facepalming things I've heard on the radio in the last few weeks was a bunch of people agreeing with the new restrictions imposed on pubs, whilst they were speaking from a pub.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 17,396
    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 14,157

    alex_ said:

    What's going on with the frames on the main website?

    It works just fine for me

    Seems ok to me. Only issue I have is that for some bizarre reason I have to scroll up and down several times after refreshing the page before any comments appear. Otherwise fine.

    Good work from the the team (person?) that supports this - no doubt on a shoestring.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 22,244
    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 22,244
    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 7,672

    Latest news from the halls of residence:

    The Civil Engineering students are digging a tunnel, the Aeronautical Engineering students are building a glider and the PE students have set up a vaulting horse in the quad.

    The American Studies students will claim all of the credit.

    The police will need to put some extra chains on their motorbikes then.

    I thought the American would be setting up a still?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 14,157
    edited September 27
    glw said:

    LadyG said:

    Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

    Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

    Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

    London lockdown incoming...
    One of the most facepalming things I've heard on the radio in the last few weeks was a bunch of people agreeing with the new restrictions imposed on pubs, whilst they were speaking from a pub.
    One of the most facepaming things I've heard is the PM lamenting that "...while the vast majority have complied with the rules there have been too many breaches".

    Dominic says Hi.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 14,157
    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 22,244

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 37,638
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    Where would you go? Where's better?
  • Latest news from the halls of residence:

    The Civil Engineering students are digging a tunnel, the Aeronautical Engineering students are building a glider and the PE students have set up a vaulting horse in the quad.

    The American Studies students will claim all of the credit.

    And presumably the philosophy students are contemplating what to do.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 22,244

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    Where would you go? Where's better?
    Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.
  • LadyG said:

    Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

    Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

    Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

    This is not a good thing, it suggests that the curfew has had the opposite impact.

    We want people staying at home, not out boozing and spreading the virus around.

    HMG have made a big misstep with this policy
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 17,396
    Scott_xP said:
    One long term outcome of Covid for the UK medical system is UK doctors taking Chronic Fatigue seriously.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 32,060
    edited September 27
    Scott_xP said:
    Phillip II of Spain had a plan as well.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 37,638
    On topic, after a wobble a couple of days ago I'm now back to thinking Biden will comfortably win.

    I expect there to be a huge overreaction to this. I just hope the Democrats learn the right lessons from it and don't fall into a trap of confirmation bias.

    If they're like the Bourbons - having learnt nothing and forgotten nothing - someone very much like Trump, or worse, will be back in the near future.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    There are better approaches to this, I’ve maintained that the existing regs should have been policed better and that letting the pubs and restaurants remain open longer would actually be more effective providing people follow the guidelines whilst in them. I doubt many people have a clue what rules apply to them as it chops and changes on what looks like a daily basis. I’m quite relieved I live in Spain where I know our local rules which haven’t changed for six weeks and very few seek to work around them because they are not draconian and our Valencia rate was still falling last time I looked at 100/100,000 which in the UK would have you under house arrest.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 32,060

    Latest news from the halls of residence:

    The Civil Engineering students are digging a tunnel, the Aeronautical Engineering students are building a glider and the PE students have set up a vaulting horse in the quad.

    The American Studies students will claim all of the credit.

    And presumably the philosophy students are contemplating what to do.
    Daft comment.

    They’ll be contemplating why humans have an irresistible urge to escape when feeling trapped.

    The business students of course will be working out how to charge consultancy fees.

    The geography students will be drawing maps so everyone can get completely lost while tunnelling.

    And the History students, being smarter, never turned up at all so are sat at home wondering what the f*** all the fuss is about.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,928
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    I don't want to emigrate permanently, I love London and my country, my friends and fam. BUT if it weren't for family ties I would definitely rent out my flat, and go live somewhere sunny and cheap for a year or two, if it were feasible
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 32,060

    LadyG said:

    Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

    Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

    Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

    This is not a good thing, it suggests that the curfew has had the opposite impact.

    We want people staying at home, not out boozing and spreading the virus around.

    HMG have made a big misstep with this policy
    That implies there are policies they haven’t made big missteps with.

    Could you name three?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 37,638
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    Where would you go? Where's better?
    Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.
    Switzerland is boring though and there are too many rules.

    Canada? Probably the most politically correct place I've ever been.

    Australia? Full of Aussies. Not much culture and too far. Plus it's on fire.

    New Zealand? No-one lives there. Too far. Boring. No eye candy. Sheep.

    USA? Two warring sides. Extreme culture wars. Possible civil conflict one day. Guns. Serious social problems.

    So, whenever I think about this, I'm back to the UK in 5 minutes.

    At the end of the day this is my home. Whenever I'm gone I miss it terribly and love getting back here.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 32,060
    LadyG said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    I don't want to emigrate permanently, I love London and my country, my friends and fam. BUT if it weren't for family ties I would definitely rent out my flat, and go live somewhere sunny and cheap for a year or two, if it were feasible
    Was that the logic of Penarth?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 22,244
    One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 17,396

    On topic, after a wobble a couple of days ago I'm now back to thinking Biden will comfortably win.

    I expect there to be a huge overreaction to this. I just hope the Democrats learn the right lessons from it and don't fall into a trap of confirmation bias.

    If they're like the Bourbons - having learnt nothing and forgotten nothing - someone very much like Trump, or worse, will be back in the near future.

    Tom Cotton. Get your money on him now.

    Disclaimer: I was saying this about Sherrod Brown for the Dems in 2016
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    Watching Phantom on Sky Arts but it doesn’t seem to work on TV
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 22,244

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    Where would you go? Where's better?
    Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.
    Switzerland is boring though and there are too many rules.

    Canada? Probably the most politically correct place I've ever been.

    Australia? Full of Aussies. Not much culture and too far. Plus it's on fire.

    New Zealand? No-one lives there. Too far. Boring. No eye candy. Sheep.

    USA? Two warring sides. Extreme culture wars. Possible civil conflict one day. Guns. Serious social problems.

    So, whenever I think about this, I'm back to the UK in 5 minutes.

    At the end of the day this is my home. Whenever I'm gone I miss it terribly and love getting back here.
    There are a lot of rules but ultimately it's personal choice to stick to them or not and tbh, it's not that onerous because none of them are stupid. It's also about education and schools, I'm not the only one worried about this either but I think it's a conversation better had over email or private message.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,928
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    Where would you go? Where's better?
    Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.
    Italian speaking Switzerland is absolutely gorgeous. Almost perfect. Great landscape, great climate, great wine and food. And they are so multilingual everyone resorts to English, which helps

    Problem is: it's also hideously expensive. If you're on a Swiss wage fair enough, if you're not you need to be a multi-millionaire to have a nice life
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 14,157
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    Where would you go? Where's better?
    Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.
    I genuinely find it really hard to understand why you would believe the UK doesn't feel like a free society any more. What has changed in the past two decades to make you think that?

    In terms of freedom, I can only think of things that have improved on the free society front (e.g. gay marriage).
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 22,244
    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    There are better approaches to this, I’ve maintained that the existing regs should have been policed better and that letting the pubs and restaurants remain open longer would actually be more effective providing people follow the guidelines whilst in them. I doubt many people have a clue what rules apply to them as it chops and changes on what looks like a daily basis. I’m quite relieved I live in Spain where I know our local rules which haven’t changed for six weeks and very few seek to work around them because they are not draconian and our Valencia rate was still falling last time I looked at 100/100,000 which in the UK would have you under house arrest.
    We'd be under house arrest and everyone would be cheering about it asking for more lockdown. The UK is broken. Our society is breaking down and the state is making it happen.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 14,157
    ydoethur said:

    LadyG said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    I don't want to emigrate permanently, I love London and my country, my friends and fam. BUT if it weren't for family ties I would definitely rent out my flat, and go live somewhere sunny and cheap for a year or two, if it were feasible
    Was that the logic of Penarth?

    I think he said somewhere 'sunny' as well as cheap :wink: .
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 49,487
    edited September 27
    MaxPB said:

    One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

    Even before covid we were going a bit that way. Anything happens and immediately people film it / take a photo and upload it to the social media

    Now for serious crimes / misbehaving by those in positions of power that seems ok, but we all see clips of people being a bit of a dick, minor indiscretions or accusing somebody of doing things with no proof.

    And then the social media mob become judge, jury and executioner.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 22,244
    LadyG said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    Where would you go? Where's better?
    Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.
    Italian speaking Switzerland is absolutely gorgeous. Almost perfect. Great landscape, great climate, great wine and food. And they are so multilingual everyone resorts to English, which helps

    Problem is: it's also hideously expensive. If you're on a Swiss wage fair enough, if you're not you need to be a multi-millionaire to have a nice life
    My wife is Swiss and I'm an investment manager...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,846

    Latest news from the halls of residence:

    The Civil Engineering students are digging a tunnel, the Aeronautical Engineering students are building a glider and the PE students have set up a vaulting horse in the quad.

    The American Studies students will claim all of the credit.

    And presumably the philosophy students are contemplating what to do.
    The Post modernists are constructing a new reality.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 14,157
    ydoethur said:

    LadyG said:

    Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

    Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

    Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

    This is not a good thing, it suggests that the curfew has had the opposite impact.

    We want people staying at home, not out boozing and spreading the virus around.

    HMG have made a big misstep with this policy
    That implies there are policies they haven’t made big missteps with.

    Could you name three?
    1. Investing in vaccine research.
    2. Increasing our contribution to the WHO, and
    3... er, struggling now.

    Still credit where it's due with the first two. Shame about the dozens of mistakes though.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 22,244

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    Where would you go? Where's better?
    Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.
    I genuinely find it really hard to understand why you would believe the UK doesn't feel like a free society any more. What has changed in the past two decades to make you think that?

    In terms of freedom, I can only think of things that have improved on the free society front (e.g. gay marriage).
    Everything we do is monitored by the state, we're being asked to snitch on each other, we have an effective curfew in place despite there being no evidence it is necessary. State intrusion into people's lives has become overbearing IMO, and I can understand it in the current context but I don't believe that the government (of any party) will give up this power and the people seem so mollified that they wouldn't want the government to give up this power.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,928
    MaxPB said:

    LadyG said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    Where would you go? Where's better?
    Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.
    Italian speaking Switzerland is absolutely gorgeous. Almost perfect. Great landscape, great climate, great wine and food. And they are so multilingual everyone resorts to English, which helps

    Problem is: it's also hideously expensive. If you're on a Swiss wage fair enough, if you're not you need to be a multi-millionaire to have a nice life
    My wife is Swiss and I'm an investment manager...
    Then go for it. I wish I could join you in Lugano. Gorgeous place
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 49,487
    edited September 27
    The emphasis on grass up your neighbour over rule of 6 seemed very unBritish. Rather than appealing to our better nature not to kill granny, it was all about big fines and dobbing Bob over the way if they have 7 people in their front room.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 15,207
    @MaxPB - move to Surrey, Sussex or Hampshire. You'll never see a police officer and we don't talk to our neighbours or care what they are doing.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 14,157
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    Where would you go? Where's better?
    Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.
    I genuinely find it really hard to understand why you would believe the UK doesn't feel like a free society any more. What has changed in the past two decades to make you think that?

    In terms of freedom, I can only think of things that have improved on the free society front (e.g. gay marriage).
    Everything we do is monitored by the state, we're being asked to snitch on each other, we have an effective curfew in place despite there being no evidence it is necessary. State intrusion into people's lives has become overbearing IMO, and I can understand it in the current context but I don't believe that the government (of any party) will give up this power and the people seem so mollified that they wouldn't want the government to give up this power.
    I respect your view but I can honestly say I feel there is very little intrusion into my life by the state, beyond the stuff that has existed all my life (e.g. they insist on knowing my income, I have to get permission to build on my property, etc. - things that I accept for the greater good).

    You don't think you might be being a little bit paranoid do you?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 14,157
    tlg86 said:

    @MaxPB - move to Surrey, Sussex or Hampshire. You'll never see a police officer and we don't talk to our neighbours or care what they are doing.

    Ditto Dorset
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 36,727
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    Where would you go? Where's better?
    Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.
    I genuinely find it really hard to understand why you would believe the UK doesn't feel like a free society any more. What has changed in the past two decades to make you think that?

    In terms of freedom, I can only think of things that have improved on the free society front (e.g. gay marriage).
    Everything we do is monitored by the state, we're being asked to snitch on each other, we have an effective curfew in place despite there being no evidence it is necessary. State intrusion into people's lives has become overbearing IMO, and I can understand it in the current context but I don't believe that the government (of any party) will give up this power and the people seem so mollified that they wouldn't want the government to give up this power.
    There is certainly a danger these new powers will be used every winter to suppress flu even if we sort out covid (which in any case I suspect those scientists who say it is with us, in some form, for generations now are right)
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 22,244

    The emphasis on grass up your neighbour over rule of 6 seemed very unBritish. Rather than appealing to our better nature not to kill granny, it was all about big fines and dobbing Bob over the way if they have 7 people in their front room.

    Yes, that and the curfew just feel wrong. Seriously wrong.
  • LadyG said:

    Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

    Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

    Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

    This is not a good thing, it suggests that the curfew has had the opposite impact.

    We want people staying at home, not out boozing and spreading the virus around.

    HMG have made a big misstep with this policy
    Lots of folks I know here in London simply assume we're about to walloped. A packed West End could be people rushing around to do stuff they won't be able to do for months.

    I've got my own bucket list - go to a whole bunch of movies, as well as visit the National Gallery. Boring as anything but there it is.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 7,672
    tlg86 said:

    @MaxPB - move to Surrey, Sussex or Hampshire. You'll never see a police officer and we don't talk to our neighbours or care what they are doing.

    A friend in the sticks told me the following story - the police weren't interested in a spate of garden shed/farm building robberies.

    So the local hedge funding owning guy hired some rent-a-cops to patrol the village. The police then devoted considerable time and effort to harassing the rent-a-cops, claiming that they were pretending to be real policemen.

    Apparently, the police finally showed up at hedge fund guys house and stated that the rent-a-cop thing was not on, and they would not stop detaining them etc. So his plan wasn't going to work and he might as well stop.... His response was "Got you down the village, hasn't it?".....
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,846
    MaxPB said:

    The emphasis on grass up your neighbour over rule of 6 seemed very unBritish. Rather than appealing to our better nature not to kill granny, it was all about big fines and dobbing Bob over the way if they have 7 people in their front room.

    Yes, that and the curfew just feel wrong. Seriously wrong.
    Yeah, but better than shutting things down entirely.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 7,672

    ydoethur said:

    LadyG said:

    Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

    Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

    Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

    This is not a good thing, it suggests that the curfew has had the opposite impact.

    We want people staying at home, not out boozing and spreading the virus around.

    HMG have made a big misstep with this policy
    That implies there are policies they haven’t made big missteps with.

    Could you name three?
    1. Investing in vaccine research.
    2. Increasing our contribution to the WHO, and
    3... er, struggling now.

    Still credit where it's due with the first two. Shame about the dozens of mistakes though.
    Apparently we have too much PPE now. Or something.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 25,915
    MaxPB said:

    One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

    Is there any evidence (other than HYUFD’s posts) that we’ve built, or even are on the way to building a society that’s happy to snitch ?
    Oh, and making Dacre head of OFCOM.
  • MaxPB said:

    One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

    So would you prefer that the public do not report lawbreaking?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 25,915

    ydoethur said:

    LadyG said:

    Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

    Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

    Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

    This is not a good thing, it suggests that the curfew has had the opposite impact.

    We want people staying at home, not out boozing and spreading the virus around.

    HMG have made a big misstep with this policy
    That implies there are policies they haven’t made big missteps with.

    Could you name three?
    1. Investing in vaccine research.
    2. Increasing our contribution to the WHO, and
    3... er, struggling now.

    Still credit where it's due with the first two. Shame about the dozens of mistakes though.
    Apparently we have too much PPE now. Or something.
    In the cabinet ?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

    Is there any evidence (other than HYUFD’s posts) that we’ve built, or even are on the way to building a society that’s happy to snitch ?
    Oh, and making Dacre head of OFCOM.
    He must be away for the weekend, maybe Gibraltar?
  • ydoethur said:

    LadyG said:

    Report from the Hospitality Frontline, the West End, last night

    Central London was rammed. By far the busiest I've seen it for many months. And it wasn't just Soho - Marylebone, Fitzrovia, Mayfair. Etc. Streets properly thronged at 9pm. Like an average cool Autumn evening last year, as if corona did not exist.

    Of course everyone had to pile home at 10pm - or go drink supermarket wine on streetcorners - but I felt a tinge of positivity. Maybe life will out.

    This is not a good thing, it suggests that the curfew has had the opposite impact.

    We want people staying at home, not out boozing and spreading the virus around.

    HMG have made a big misstep with this policy
    That implies there are policies they haven’t made big missteps with.

    Could you name three?
    Whenever I make a comment like that I get told to calm down.

    You know me by now, work it out
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 49,487
    edited September 27
    So they don't intend to meet any voters then.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,776
    I'd like to see some figures on grassing before I make any judgement on the state of our society.
    Also on how many fines handed out.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 29,076
    edited September 27
    LadyG said:

    MaxPB said:

    LadyG said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    nichomar said:

    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    I was assured that the 10pm closing had killed London.

    It has, except for off licences.
    Don’t they have to close at 10?
    No. Shops can stay open as long as they like.
    Which is surely a stupid miss by HMG.
    No, the stupidity is the 10pm closing time. It's making me want to leave the country. I'm seriously thinking about it right now, my wife is also in the same boat. We're building a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow neighbour and cheer as thousands of businesses go to the wall and a million people are sent to the dole queue. For the first time I'm genuinely worried about the direction of the nation, what have people turned into?
    Where would you go? Where's better?
    Probably Switzerland (my wife is Swiss), maybe Ticino or Lugano. Despite having a law for absolutely everything Switzerland feels like a free society, the UK doesn't any more. It hasn't for a couple of decades and now we're seeing the results as people relish the idea of snitching and applaud restrictions on how we can live.
    Italian speaking Switzerland is absolutely gorgeous. Almost perfect. Great landscape, great climate, great wine and food. And they are so multilingual everyone resorts to English, which helps

    Problem is: it's also hideously expensive. If you're on a Swiss wage fair enough, if you're not you need to be a multi-millionaire to have a nice life
    My wife is Swiss and I'm an investment manager...
    Then go for it. I wish I could join you in Lugano. Gorgeous place
    I was going to stop over near there tomorrow, but am now driving straight through to southern Germany, just across the border from Basel.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 22,244
    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

    Is there any evidence (other than HYUFD’s posts) that we’ve built, or even are on the way to building a society that’s happy to snitch ?
    Oh, and making Dacre head of OFCOM.
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rule-of-six-snitches-swamp-police-coronavirus-line-0t0b926nn

    And countless other reports.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 17,396
    Frank Luntz, the man who popularised "Death Panels" and other weaponised lies is worried about American Democracy. Bless.

    Next you'll be telling David "Axis of Evil" Frum is worried that Trump may destabilise international relationships.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096

    So they don't intent to meet any voters then.
    Don’t they make speeches off the back of the Train to small audiences at rail halts?
  • tlg86 said:

    @MaxPB - move to Surrey, Sussex or Hampshire. You'll never see a police officer and we don't talk to our neighbours or care what they are doing.

    A friend in the sticks told me the following story - the police weren't interested in a spate of garden shed/farm building robberies.

    So the local hedge funding owning guy hired some rent-a-cops to patrol the village. The police then devoted considerable time and effort to harassing the rent-a-cops, claiming that they were pretending to be real policemen.

    Apparently, the police finally showed up at hedge fund guys house and stated that the rent-a-cop thing was not on, and they would not stop detaining them etc. So his plan wasn't going to work and he might as well stop.... His response was "Got you down the village, hasn't it?".....
    Sigh. Makes me nostalgic for the days when we used to get Reggie and Ronnie to sort out our little local difficulties. They were good value for money too. Bet we paid much less than your hedgefunder.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 25,915
    Bit rich from the guy who’s made an entire career of churning out euphemisms for extreme policies... but I guess there’s more joy in heaven over one last sinner who repents, etc.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,846

    So they don't intend to meet any voters then.
    Joe is going for the train buff vote.

    Though isn't speaking from a train on a political tour the very definition of a whistle-stop tour?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 17,396
    My Dems Ohio bet is now in profit so very much so. Polling has been good for Biden there and the troubles the local GOP find themselves in are enourmas.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 22,244

    MaxPB said:

    One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

    So would you prefer that the public do not report lawbreaking?
    Unless it's a serious crime and it's something specifically witnessed, no I don't. It's also not lawbreaking, it's reporting of what people think is lawbreaking. It's like people reporting their neighbours to the Gestapo, it was wrong then and it's wrong now.

    Once everyone gets used to it we won't be able to turn back the clock.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,776
    Wish folk would stop calling it a curfew. It is shutting the pubs at 10.
    A curfew is when you aren't allowed out. Usually enforced by armed patrols.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 7,672
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

    So would you prefer that the public do not report lawbreaking?
    Unless it's a serious crime and it's something specifically witnessed, no I don't. It's also not lawbreaking, it's reporting of what people think is lawbreaking. It's like people reporting their neighbours to the Gestapo, it was wrong then and it's wrong now.

    Once everyone gets used to it we won't be able to turn back the clock.
    In just about every country, the police are bombarded data and night with bogus and not so bogus tips.

    The Gestapo thing was just the same thing pushed into the political arena.

    This is why the police know who did what crime, 99% of the time. Someone told them.

    I learnt this by talking to police in various countries.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 17,396
    Betting Tip: North Carolina looks too long for Biden.

    Trump has had one lead in the last 8 polls. The Dem momentum in the early.voting is maintained.

    It should be a straight 50/50 at worst for Biden but you can get him @2.2 which seems a great price to me.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,846
    dixiedean said:

    Wish folk would stop calling it a curfew. It is shutting the pubs at 10.
    A curfew is when you aren't allowed out. Usually enforced by armed patrols.

    Not being able to visit other peoples houses is not lockdown either.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 14,157
    Foxy said:

    So they don't intend to meet any voters then.
    Joe is going for the train buff vote.

    Though isn't speaking from a train on a political tour the very definition of a whistle-stop tour?
    Are there actually any whistle-stops these days?

    Paging @Sunil_Prasannan
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 36,727
    Justin Riemer, chief counsel at Republican National Committee, one of the leaders of the effort: “We will spend whatever it takes to make sure the election is conducted orderly and that we push back on the Democrats’ litigation to strike down various safeguards on the election process.”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/27/trump-legal-network-election-day-fight-422035
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 7,672

    tlg86 said:

    @MaxPB - move to Surrey, Sussex or Hampshire. You'll never see a police officer and we don't talk to our neighbours or care what they are doing.

    A friend in the sticks told me the following story - the police weren't interested in a spate of garden shed/farm building robberies.

    So the local hedge funding owning guy hired some rent-a-cops to patrol the village. The police then devoted considerable time and effort to harassing the rent-a-cops, claiming that they were pretending to be real policemen.

    Apparently, the police finally showed up at hedge fund guys house and stated that the rent-a-cop thing was not on, and they would not stop detaining them etc. So his plan wasn't going to work and he might as well stop.... His response was "Got you down the village, hasn't it?".....
    Sigh. Makes me nostalgic for the days when we used to get Reggie and Ronnie to sort out our little local difficulties. They were good value for money too. Bet we paid much less than your hedgefunder.
    Apparently all they were doing was security guarding - driving round in their little car with vaguely police like paint scheme. It's not like he'd hired mercenaries or something.

    But it winds the police up....
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 8,490
    edited September 27
    Alistair said:

    My Dems Ohio bet is now in profit so very much so. Polling has been good for Biden there and the troubles the local GOP find themselves in are enourmas.
    Last few days I have the impression the contest is now beyond Trump. The polling evidence is almost overwhelming and the anecdotal and more intuitive elements are gathering strength.

    Anthony Scaramucci is the latest to start calling the last rites for the Trump campaign. The hurried Supreme Court nomination screams out that the administration knows its days are numbered. And here in PB Land, Hyufd is suddenly conspicuous by his absence.

    It's over.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,846

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

    So would you prefer that the public do not report lawbreaking?
    Unless it's a serious crime and it's something specifically witnessed, no I don't. It's also not lawbreaking, it's reporting of what people think is lawbreaking. It's like people reporting their neighbours to the Gestapo, it was wrong then and it's wrong now.

    Once everyone gets used to it we won't be able to turn back the clock.
    In just about every country, the police are bombarded data and night with bogus and not so bogus tips.

    The Gestapo thing was just the same thing pushed into the political arena.

    This is why the police know who did what crime, 99% of the time. Someone told them.

    I learnt this by talking to police in various countries.
    A ridiculous amount of police reports are people complaining about what other people have said about them on Social Media.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 22,244

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    One of the reasons I'm very worried is that once we've built a society that is happy to snitch on their fellow man and woman, it will be impossible to turn back the clock. Daily Mail reading busybodies will become the norm rather than the exception. What a person does in the privacy of their home will no longer be private.

    So would you prefer that the public do not report lawbreaking?
    Unless it's a serious crime and it's something specifically witnessed, no I don't. It's also not lawbreaking, it's reporting of what people think is lawbreaking. It's like people reporting their neighbours to the Gestapo, it was wrong then and it's wrong now.

    Once everyone gets used to it we won't be able to turn back the clock.
    In just about every country, the police are bombarded data and night with bogus and not so bogus tips.

    The Gestapo thing was just the same thing pushed into the political arena.

    This is why the police know who did what crime, 99% of the time. Someone told them.

    I learnt this by talking to police in various countries.
    I have no issue with witnesses coming forwards if a crime has been committed. What I don't think is right is people voluntary snitching on their fellow man because they think a crime is happening. Unless someone's life is clearly in jeopardy such as abuse there is basically no reason for getting involved in another person's private business.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,776
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Wish folk would stop calling it a curfew. It is shutting the pubs at 10.
    A curfew is when you aren't allowed out. Usually enforced by armed patrols.

    Not being able to visit other peoples houses is not lockdown either.
    Indeed. We never had lockdown.
    My friend was trapped in Cyprus. They had to send a text to the Police to leave the house, with a reason, once a day. And wait up to an hour for permission. And be given a set route and time.
    That was a lockdown.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 36,727
    Alistair said:

    My Dems Ohio bet is now in profit so very much so. Polling has been good for Biden there and the troubles the local GOP find themselves in are enourmas.
    So Ohio goes, so goes the nation.
  • tlg86 said:

    @MaxPB - move to Surrey, Sussex or Hampshire. You'll never see a police officer and we don't talk to our neighbours or care what they are doing.

    A friend in the sticks told me the following story - the police weren't interested in a spate of garden shed/farm building robberies.

    So the local hedge funding owning guy hired some rent-a-cops to patrol the village. The police then devoted considerable time and effort to harassing the rent-a-cops, claiming that they were pretending to be real policemen.

    Apparently, the police finally showed up at hedge fund guys house and stated that the rent-a-cop thing was not on, and they would not stop detaining them etc. So his plan wasn't going to work and he might as well stop.... His response was "Got you down the village, hasn't it?".....
    Sigh. Makes me nostalgic for the days when we used to get Reggie and Ronnie to sort out our little local difficulties. They were good value for money too. Bet we paid much less than your hedgefunder.
    Apparently all they were doing was security guarding - driving round in their little car with vaguely police like paint scheme. It's not like he'd hired mercenaries or something.

    But it winds the police up....
    The protection racket just isn't what it used to be. Now when I were a lad......
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,846
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Wish folk would stop calling it a curfew. It is shutting the pubs at 10.
    A curfew is when you aren't allowed out. Usually enforced by armed patrols.

    Not being able to visit other peoples houses is not lockdown either.
    Indeed. We never had lockdown.
    My friend was trapped in Cyprus. They had to send a text to the Police to leave the house, with a reason, once a day. And wait up to an hour for permission. And be given a set route and time.
    That was a lockdown.
    Yes, that is what my Greek friends had in Thessalonika too.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 36,727

    Alistair said:

    My Dems Ohio bet is now in profit so very much so. Polling has been good for Biden there and the troubles the local GOP find themselves in are enourmas.
    Last few days I have the impression the contest is now beyond Trump. The polling evidence is almost overwhelming and the anecdotal and more intuitive elements are gathering strength.

    Anthony Scaramucci is the latest to start calling the last rites for the Trump campaign. The hurried Supreme Court nomination screams out that the administration knows its days are numbered. And here in PB Land, Hyufd is suddenly conspicuous by his absence.

    It's over.
    Apart from all the GOP lawyers working to stop the counting of votes.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 12,246
    dixiedean said:

    Wish folk would stop calling it a curfew. It is shutting the pubs at 10.
    A curfew is when you aren't allowed out. Usually enforced by armed patrols.

    It's only half an hour earlier than closing time when I was young. No big deal.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 49,487
    edited September 27
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Wish folk would stop calling it a curfew. It is shutting the pubs at 10.
    A curfew is when you aren't allowed out. Usually enforced by armed patrols.

    Not being able to visit other peoples houses is not lockdown either.
    Indeed. We never had lockdown.
    My friend was trapped in Cyprus. They had to send a text to the Police to leave the house, with a reason, once a day. And wait up to an hour for permission. And be given a set route and time.
    That was a lockdown.
    When we finally got to "lockdown", despite all the screeching about what if i am a freelance journalist will the rozzers hard stop my motor or what about my marathon training, i think the rules were pretty fair e.g alllowed out to exercise. As you say lots of places it was stay in your home, period, end of, except for food / medicine.
  • Alistair said:

    Betting Tip: North Carolina looks too long for Biden.

    Trump has had one lead in the last 8 polls. The Dem momentum in the early.voting is maintained.

    It should be a straight 50/50 at worst for Biden but you can get him @2.2 which seems a great price to me.

    Correct, although personally I won't bother. If he takes S Carolina Biden wins big and I clean up on the spreads (which incidentally have moved significantly towards Biden since the value vis-a-vis Betfair was highlighted here.)
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