This thread seems OK. I think the Sunak vs Johnson rating is partly because Sunak (like Starmer) gives the impression of treating the crisis as a twin medica/economic issue, which it is, while Johnson sees it more as a political issue ("How can we reassure voters that we'll save Christmass" etc.). There are times when people just want agreeable politics with a bit of pandering, but just at the moment people want some serious attention to the crisis.
Oliver Dowding on Marr clearly telling the Premier League they need to support football
I understand the cost is £250 million so the average cost per Premier League club is £12.5 million
That figure is less than some individual Premier League players earn per year
HMG is right to tell the Premier League to look after their own
So large hotel chains should look after independent ones as well then?
It's government action that has destroyed lower league clubs, why should other private business pick up the bill?
In these circumstances when money is tight it is right for wealthy football clubs to help their sport
Furthermore, the outcry from the populace if HMG were seen to hand the Premier League money would be deafening
Why should football clubs (private businesses) be singled out to bail out an industry when no others have been asked. We didn't ask IAG to bail out Virgin Atlantic.
I think Amy Barrett being a controversial choice solely because of her likely jurisprudence, and the procedure that got her the spot (And not her character) helps the Democrats. The last thing they needed before the election was another Kavanaugh circus.
Oliver Dowding on Marr clearly telling the Premier League they need to support football
I understand the cost is £250 million so the average cost per Premier League club is £12.5 million
That figure is less than some individual Premier League players earn per year
HMG is right to tell the Premier League to look after their own
So large hotel chains should look after independent ones as well then?
It's government action that has destroyed lower league clubs, why should other private business pick up the bill?
In these circumstances when money is tight it is right for wealthy football clubs to help their sport
Furthermore, the outcry from the populace if HMG were seen to hand the Premier League money would be deafening
Why should football clubs (private businesses) be singled out to bail out an industry when no others have been asked. We didn't ask IAG to bail out Virgin Atlantic.
The cost is also little different from the "prize money" of the Championship playoff final - as all teams that gain entry to the Premiership receive £170m from TV revenue even if they only stay up for a single year when you add on the 2 years of parachute payments.
- he has given away hundreds of billions - unlike Boris, he has no serious shadow (Annelise Who?) - he isn't really associated with leaving the EU, which antagonises half the country.
The first may not last, but the other two could well.
The oven-ready Rishi Sunak really is a spring chicken. As PBers have noted earlier, the Chancellor is only 40. But I don't think it matters. He looks older than he is, and older than Blair and Cameron. I'm not on at the big prices but would not be sweating on account of his youth and inexperience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoPu1UIBkBc
- he has given away hundreds of billions - unlike Boris, he has no serious shadow (Annelise Who?) - he isn't really associated with leaving the EU, which antagonises half the country.
The first may not last, but the other two could well.
Does anyone else really have a serious shadow minister. And it really doesn't matter at the moment as the Government is making more than enough mistakes by itself.
- he has given away hundreds of billions - unlike Boris, he has no serious shadow (Annelise Who?) - he isn't really associated with leaving the EU, which antagonises half the country.
The first may not last, but the other two could well.
Does anyone else really have a serious shadow minister.
Yes, the Prime Minister, to which this thread compares the Chancellor.
- he has given away hundreds of billions - unlike Boris, he has no serious shadow (Annelise Who?) - he isn't really associated with leaving the EU, which antagonises half the country.
The first may not last, but the other two could well.
Rishi is popular because alone amongst ministers, he looks calm, collected and in command of his brief. In the midst of the pandemic, Boris blusters, Raab looks out of his depth, Hancock like a deer in headlights. Sunak looks ministerial, even prime ministerial.
- he has given away hundreds of billions - unlike Boris, he has no serious shadow (Annelise Who?) - he isn't really associated with leaving the EU, which antagonises half the country.
The first may not last, but the other two could well.
Rishi is popular because alone amongst ministers, he looks calm, collected and in command of his brief. In the midst of the pandemic, Boris blusters, Raab looks out of his depth, Hancock like a deer in headlights. Sunak looks ministerial, even prime ministerial.
Agree; however the lack of a serious shadow may well not last. Ms Dodds doesn't really look the part, but appears to have the acumen.
Sunak occupies an intersection on the Venn diagram that is so small it may only contain him: Competent Leaver.
He is on top of detail, realises cause has effect and avoids being a lying bastard - attributes that set him apart from his colleagues. He is uniquely well placed to take over a big mess, even through objectively he isn't THAT brilliant.
In the cricket, Somerset have declared, leaving Essex what ought to be a gettable 237. Assuming Cook repeats his first innings effort, or something like it.
I would actually say that the opposition isn't to Trump's exercising of his right to nomination (to counter DAlexander's arguments). It is to the unseemly haste of the Republicans to say that they will rush through to approve the nominee, without even going through the pretence that the confirmatory hearings might have any impact on the outcome. The process is nomination -> senate committee hearings -> report to the Senate on suitability of the candidate and formal vote for approval*. And of course the hypocrisy.
In 2016 they didn't even start the hearings (they were concerned they would not be able to drag them out long enough, or demonstrate an argument to oppose/reject. Unsurprising as the nominee was specifically put forward to be acceptable to moderate Republican senators.
Now McConnell has declared (and before the nominee was even announced, let alone the commencement of any hearings!) that he will ensure the nomination vote is brought to the floor of the House and pretty much confirmed that he believes he will have the votes to approve regardless of the outcome of the hearings.
*and incidentally it is not the role of the Senate to substitute their opinion on the political acceptability of a candidate in place of the President's. But to ensure that the nominee has the capability etc to carry out the duties of a Supreme Court judge, without fear or favour, and disregarding the political merits of cases brought before them.
- he has given away hundreds of billions - unlike Boris, he has no serious shadow (Annelise Who?) - he isn't really associated with leaving the EU, which antagonises half the country.
The first may not last, but the other two could well.
Rishi is popular because alone amongst ministers, he looks calm, collected and in command of his brief. In the midst of the pandemic, Boris blusters, Raab looks out of his depth, Hancock like a deer in headlights. Sunak looks ministerial, even prime ministerial.
It is easy to look calm and collected when you are giving away hundreds of billions. Much more difficult when you are taking it back. He'd look like a rabbit in headlights too then I'd imagine. When he had to do something difficult or complicated, like invent a furlough scheme for compensating directors of limited companies, he just gave up.
But we'll see. Maybe he'll be amazing at milking the public. And certainly the fact that he doesn't have a credible shadow works in his favour.
In the cricket, Somerset have declared, leaving Essex what ought to be a gettable 237. Assuming Cook repeats his first innings effort, or something like it.
Good declaration. Gettable. But also bowloutable. Why haven't we had a final before?
- he has given away hundreds of billions - unlike Boris, he has no serious shadow (Annelise Who?) - he isn't really associated with leaving the EU, which antagonises half the country.
The first may not last, but the other two could well.
Rishi is popular because alone amongst ministers, he looks calm, collected and in command of his brief. In the midst of the pandemic, Boris blusters, Raab looks out of his depth, Hancock like a deer in headlights. Sunak looks ministerial, even prime ministerial.
It is easy to look calm and collected when you are giving away hundreds of billions. Much more difficult when you are taking it back. He'd look like a rabbit in headlights too then I'd imagine. When he had to do something difficult or complicated, like invent a furlough scheme for compensating directors of limited companies, he just gave up.
But we'll see. Maybe he'll be amazing at milking the public. And certainly the fact that he doesn't have a credible shadow works in his favour.
We have the opposite of China - a Socialist government disguised as a capitalist one .
I think Amy Barrett being a controversial choice solely because of her likely jurisprudence, and the procedure that got her the spot (And not her character) helps the Democrats. The last thing they needed before the election was another Kavanaugh circus.
I agree. The election might get messy for various reasons but Biden has it in the bag. It is done barring accidents. When I wish to avoid accidents - or any chance of one - I stay at home in bed. Sleepy Joe should take his nickname to heart and do the political equivalent. 'Less is more' should be the theme from here through to 3/11. The more Trump chases it the more voters he will turn off and the bigger the loss will be.
Sunak occupies an intersection on the Venn diagram that is so small it may only contain him: Competent Leaver.
He is on top of detail, realises cause has effect and avoids being a lying bastard - attributes that set him apart from his colleagues. He is uniquely well placed to take over a big mess, even through objectively he isn't THAT brilliant.
Grudging, muttered under the breath praise from you is high praise indeed.
He's exceptional, of course.
Of course, it *doesn't* mean he has the political skills or experience to survive being PM in office and win an election too though.
In the cricket, Somerset have declared, leaving Essex what ought to be a gettable 237. Assuming Cook repeats his first innings effort, or something like it.
Good declaration. Gettable. But also bowloutable. Why haven't we had a final before?
Because we haven't had a Conference system before. Haven't needed one. 18 off the first 4 overs.
O/T - so i'm reading that EDF (owned 84% by French taxpayers) are arguing for the British taxpayer to underwrite cost of new nuclear plant in Somerset. Wouldn't this be helped along a bit if restrictions on state aid were relaxed a bit in UK-EU trade negotiations... #innocent face
(yes i know there's probably some argument about use of state aid for national infrastructure...)
The more Trump chases it the more voters he will turn off and the bigger the loss will be.
Yup, he's not going to just gently go down to a 6% defeat is he? He'll keep doing crazier and crazier shit in the hope of turning it around. Usually the most audacious candidate wins and the said crazy shit might of course work and turn the race around, but it's much more likely to *increase* Biden's margin, so take the landslide scenarios seriously.
In the cricket, Somerset have declared, leaving Essex what ought to be a gettable 237. Assuming Cook repeats his first innings effort, or something like it.
Good declaration. Gettable. But also bowloutable. Why haven't we had a final before?
Because we haven't had a Conference system before. Haven't needed one. 18 off the first 4 overs.
I understand that. Maybe all professional sport needs to take a good look at itself and wonder if the current structures are there because they are suitable or simply because they are?
Sunak occupies an intersection on the Venn diagram that is so small it may only contain him: Competent Leaver.
He is on top of detail, realises cause has effect and avoids being a lying bastard - attributes that set him apart from his colleagues. He is uniquely well placed to take over a big mess, even through objectively he isn't THAT brilliant.
Grudging, muttered under the breath praise from you is high praise indeed.
He's exceptional, of course.
Of course, it *doesn't* mean he has the political skills or experience to survive being PM in office and win an election too though.
It's one hell of a step up.
If Sunak does get to the top then Richmond (N Yorks) constituency will have had two Tory leaders as MP.
Sunak occupies an intersection on the Venn diagram that is so small it may only contain him: Competent Leaver.
He is on top of detail, realises cause has effect and avoids being a lying bastard - attributes that set him apart from his colleagues. He is uniquely well placed to take over a big mess, even through objectively he isn't THAT brilliant.
Sunak is a true believer in Brexit, after all being willing to go along with No Deal was a prerequisite for being in the Cabinet. He has managed to hide it well though. He is not going to be the one with egg on his face. Leave Bozo to be the fallguy, chuck him out in the Summer, and be installed for 2021 Autumn conference.
Though I suspect that he won't make it through the contest.
Sunak occupies an intersection on the Venn diagram that is so small it may only contain him: Competent Leaver.
He is on top of detail, realises cause has effect and avoids being a lying bastard - attributes that set him apart from his colleagues. He is uniquely well placed to take over a big mess, even through objectively he isn't THAT brilliant.
Grudging, muttered under the breath praise from you is high praise indeed.
He's exceptional, of course.
Of course, it *doesn't* mean he has the political skills or experience to survive being PM in office and win an election too though.
It's one hell of a step up.
I’m afraid that Sunak is in “In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king” territory. He really is not that good. He initially misdiagnosed the problem by coming out with a loans package which had to be changed in days and his package this week is worthless. It disincentivises employers from keeping on staff, is too tricksy by half, not up to the scale of the crisis, does nothing for those most affected and is out of sync with the rest of the government’s strategy - if it can even be called that.
By comparison with other Ministers he is coherent, a good communicator, calm, able to present a brief well. He is also ace at his personal PR. As you would expect from an ex-Goldman’s employee. But for all the shiny exterior what substance really is there?
The Treasury has been the most effective of all the departments. A large part of that is down to the fact that its senior civil servants have been there a long time, are knowledgeable and experienced and, crucially, have experience of the 2008 financial crisis and, therefore, have not acted like rabbits caught in headlights. Bluntly, Cummings has not got his mitts on them. Sunak has benefited from that.
Was digging through the latest weekly COVID surveillance report.. I don't think I have seen this plotted for the full epidemic (found the data in the data sheet). This is for England only...
Sunak occupies an intersection on the Venn diagram that is so small it may only contain him: Competent Leaver.
He is on top of detail, realises cause has effect and avoids being a lying bastard - attributes that set him apart from his colleagues. He is uniquely well placed to take over a big mess, even through objectively he isn't THAT brilliant.
Grudging, muttered under the breath praise from you is high praise indeed.
He's exceptional, of course.
Of course, it *doesn't* mean he has the political skills or experience to survive being PM in office and win an election too though.
It's one hell of a step up.
I’m afraid that Sunak is in “In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king” territory. He really is not that good. He initially misdiagnosed the problem by coming out with a loans package which had to be changed in days and his package this week is worthless. It disincentivises employers from keeping on staff, is too tricksy by half, not up to the scale of the crisis, does nothing for those most affected and is out of sync with the rest of the government’s strategy - if it can even be called that.
By comparison with other Ministers he is coherent, a good communicator, calm, able to present a brief well. He is also ace at his personal PR. As you would expect from an ex-Goldman’s employee. But for all the shiny exterior what substance really is there?
The Treasury has been the most effective of all the departments. A large part of that is down to the fact that its senior civil servants have been there a long time, are knowledgeable and experienced and, crucially, have experience of the 2008 financial crisis and, therefore, have not acted like rabbits caught in headlights. Bluntly, Cummings has not got his mitts on them. Sunak has benefited from that.
Agree with all of this. I don't think he will survive the contest to succeed Johnson, which will be brutal even by the Tories' standards. Gove is the one to watch.
Formula 1 drivers have been told they cannot wear clothing bearing any slogans or messages while doing official duties after grands prix.
That's a rubbish decision, it should be up to the teams and drivers.
The actual instruction is:
“ For the duration of the Podium Ceremony and Post Race Interview Procedure, the Drivers finishing in race in positions 1, 2, 3 must remain attired only in their Driving Suits, 'done up' to the neck, not opened to the waist.”.
Sunak occupies an intersection on the Venn diagram that is so small it may only contain him: Competent Leaver.
He is on top of detail, realises cause has effect and avoids being a lying bastard - attributes that set him apart from his colleagues. He is uniquely well placed to take over a big mess, even through objectively he isn't THAT brilliant.
Grudging, muttered under the breath praise from you is high praise indeed.
He's exceptional, of course.
Of course, it *doesn't* mean he has the political skills or experience to survive being PM in office and win an election too though.
It's one hell of a step up.
There are/were good people on the Conservative benches but they have all been banished. The one exception is Sunak who got his job by accident. In that respect he is exceptional.
Qualify this a bit. I have some time for Hancock. Well intentioned but mediocre. A competent team could carry him. None of the rest are worth the time of day, as far as I know.
The Bay Area techies, cooped up dozens per house, are undoubtedly going to love this.
Especially as lots of hi-tech companies have great "play" areas and good food in their offices as a sweetenter to expecting long hours from their workers.
Sunak occupies an intersection on the Venn diagram that is so small it may only contain him: Competent Leaver.
He is on top of detail, realises cause has effect and avoids being a lying bastard - attributes that set him apart from his colleagues. He is uniquely well placed to take over a big mess, even through objectively he isn't THAT brilliant.
Sunak is a true believer in Brexit, after all being willing to go along with No Deal was a prerequisite for being in the Cabinet. He has managed to hide it well though. He is not going to be the one with egg on his face. Leave Bozo to be the fallguy, chuck him out in the Summer, and be installed for 2021 Autumn conference.
Though I suspect that he won't make it through the contest.
If Sunak is a " true believer" in Brexit, as he must be to have been given the job, unless I have missed it he seems to have said remarkably little about it. Given the huge potential impact on the Treasury of whatever deal, or not, is struck with the EU, the Chancellor seems to me to be reticent in sharing his thoughts. It's possible that this reflects his ambition: don't alienate any group within the Tories. Or it's possible that he hasn't really thought about it. Or it's possible, though unlikely, that having got up close to the numbers he's having second thoughts on the economic benefits of Brexit.
In the cricket, Somerset have declared, leaving Essex what ought to be a gettable 237. Assuming Cook repeats his first innings effort, or something like it.
Good declaration. Gettable. But also bowloutable. Why haven't we had a final before?
Because we haven't had a Conference system before. Haven't needed one. 18 off the first 4 overs.
I understand that. Maybe all professional sport needs to take a good look at itself and wonder if the current structures are there because they are suitable or simply because they are?
Agree; it's like WFH, isn't it. We haven't, largely because we didn't think about it a lot! Now we've had to, and the situation doesn't look like improving significantly over the next 6 months (at least!), so we ought to.
Sunak occupies an intersection on the Venn diagram that is so small it may only contain him: Competent Leaver.
He is on top of detail, realises cause has effect and avoids being a lying bastard - attributes that set him apart from his colleagues. He is uniquely well placed to take over a big mess, even through objectively he isn't THAT brilliant.
Sunak is a true believer in Brexit, after all being willing to go along with No Deal was a prerequisite for being in the Cabinet. He has managed to hide it well though. He is not going to be the one with egg on his face. Leave Bozo to be the fallguy, chuck him out in the Summer, and be installed for 2021 Autumn conference.
Though I suspect that he won't make it through the contest.
If Sunak is a " true believer" in Brexit, as he must be to have been given the job, unless I have missed it he seems to have said remarkably little about it. Given the huge potential impact on the Treasury of whatever deal, or not, is struck with the EU, the Chancellor seems to me to be reticent in sharing his thoughts. It's possible that this reflects his ambition: don't alienate any group within the Tories. Or it's possible that he hasn't really thought about it. Or it's possible, though unlikely, that having got up close to the numbers he's having second thoughts on the economic benefits of Brexit.
I suspect Sunak may not have strong feelings one way or the other. He certainly hasn't revealed them. It could be that he picked up on feelings in his Richmond constituency: get out of the EU and reject May's Deal and acted accordingly.
"Prohibiting customers from drinking in a pub after ten o’clock at night is merely an alteration to existing licensing laws which are already under government authority. But telling people that they cannot allow their relatives from another household into their own homes is of an altogether different order. Crossing that line should not happen in a democracy without relentless, exhaustive demands that it be justified. That is what Parliament is leading the country to expect. It had better deliver."
Gove will be looking for signs of cocaine use in Sunak's background.
Also is the Tory Party ready to elect a non-white leader?
Very sadly it would be a way to demolish the newly found Red Wall. I take no pleasure in that at all.
If Gove went down that route I suspect it would explode in his face.
As to Sunak as leader - is there any *detailed* polling on his popularity? Regional, male/female etc?
Only part of that wall - if Sunak was leader all Yorkshire seats and teesside seats would regard him as one of their own for he represents a Yorkshire seat and is frequently seen around Teesside (Red wall seats next to his constituency).
Gove will be looking for signs of cocaine use in Sunak's background.
Also is the Tory Party ready to elect a non-white leader?
Very sadly it would be a way to demolish the newly found Red Wall. I take no pleasure in that at all.
If Gove went down that route I suspect it would explode in his face.
As to Sunak as leader - is there any *detailed* polling on his popularity? Regional, male/female etc?
Only part of that wall - if Sunak was leader all Yorkshire seats and teesside seats would regard him as one of their own for he represents a Yorkshire seat and is frequently seen around Teesside (Red wall seats next to his constituency).
As a Yorkshire man, given that Sunak was born in Southampton I'm afraid that we would not regard him as one of our own! I think he's only been in Yorkshire since 2015; it normally takes a minimum of 50 years to qualify for Yorkshire citizenship......
Gove will be looking for signs of cocaine use in Sunak's background.
Also is the Tory Party ready to elect a non-white leader?
Non-Tories love to keep asking this question, in the belief the Tory party is secretly a little bit racist. It just goes to show how little they understand them.
Tories don't give a shit what colour your skin is - they care if you're good or not.
I know this is hard for the identity politics obsessed Left to get their heads around but it's the truth.
Gove will be looking for signs of cocaine use in Sunak's background.
Also is the Tory Party ready to elect a non-white leader?
Very sadly it would be a way to demolish the newly found Red Wall. I take no pleasure in that at all.
If Gove went down that route I suspect it would explode in his face.
As to Sunak as leader - is there any *detailed* polling on his popularity? Regional, male/female etc?
Only part of that wall - if Sunak was leader all Yorkshire seats and teesside seats would regard him as one of their own for he represents a Yorkshire seat and is frequently seen around Teesside (Red wall seats next to his constituency).
Found some data:
for the Midlands -
Good job: 60% Bad job: 9% Not sure: 31%
For the North
Good job: 45% Bad job: 15% Not sure: 40%
Just to compare, London has
Good job: 43% Bad job: 16% Not sure: 41%
and Scotland is -
Good job: 39% Bad job: 19% Not sure: 42%
I can't see much evidence in that to suggest that racists North of Watford don't like him
Sunak occupies an intersection on the Venn diagram that is so small it may only contain him: Competent Leaver.
He is on top of detail, realises cause has effect and avoids being a lying bastard - attributes that set him apart from his colleagues. He is uniquely well placed to take over a big mess, even through objectively he isn't THAT brilliant.
Grudging, muttered under the breath praise from you is high praise indeed.
He's exceptional, of course.
Of course, it *doesn't* mean he has the political skills or experience to survive being PM in office and win an election too though.
It's one hell of a step up.
I’m afraid that Sunak is in “In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king” territory. He really is not that good. He initially misdiagnosed the problem by coming out with a loans package which had to be changed in days and his package this week is worthless. It disincentivises employers from keeping on staff, is too tricksy by half, not up to the scale of the crisis, does nothing for those most affected and is out of sync with the rest of the government’s strategy - if it can even be called that.
By comparison with other Ministers he is coherent, a good communicator, calm, able to present a brief well. He is also ace at his personal PR. As you would expect from an ex-Goldman’s employee. But for all the shiny exterior what substance really is there?
The Treasury has been the most effective of all the departments. A large part of that is down to the fact that its senior civil servants have been there a long time, are knowledgeable and experienced and, crucially, have experience of the 2008 financial crisis and, therefore, have not acted like rabbits caught in headlights. Bluntly, Cummings has not got his mitts on them. Sunak has benefited from that.
Sunak has put the burden of debt onto future generations .That is not acceptable . He is on borrowed (like his policies) time
I know this is hard for the identity politics obsessed Left to get their heads around but it's the truth.
You do realise that by your constant treatment of "the left" is some monolithic "identity politics" entity you're engaging in the exact same identity politics you deride so much.
Or is "identity politics" only bad if its an identity you don't subscribe to?
Gove will be looking for signs of cocaine use in Sunak's background.
Also is the Tory Party ready to elect a non-white leader?
Non-Tories love to keep asking this question, in the belief the Tory party is secretly a little bit racist. It just goes to show how little they understand them.
Tories don't give a shit what colour your skin is - they care if you're good or not.
I know this is hard for the identity politics obsessed Left to get their heads around but it's the truth.
Ah, but would you let him marry your daughter?
Before anyone shouts at me, one daughter-in-law in Thai!
1. Nice to see Labour take the lead in a poll - but it is only one.
2. The Delta poll, along with all the others we have seen recently, indicates that the true state of play is pretty much level pegging.
3. If that is the case, the Tories are still in pole position to win most seats at the next election.
4. The UK is a bit of an exception in Europe in seeing the governing party lose so much support so quickly. That is notable.
5. The 39 the Tories got in the Opinium seems to me to be more important than the 42 Labour got. The Tories are now down around 6 points on their GB election 2019 score with the the pollster that got closest to calling the election.
6. Johnson's ratings are actually not that bad for a sitting PM. The unusual bit is the ratings Starmer is getting as LOTO.
7. That may make getting rid of Johnson a bit more of a risk than some Tories believe.
8. Also notable are Sturgeon's UK-wide ratings. She is in strongly positive territory. That may make vote the 2015 vote Labour get SNP Tory line a tougher sell.
9. Every single poll shows that Starmer is a net positive for Labour. But the party itself still has a lot of work to do to win trust.
10. The shadow cabinet is a problem. But it was assembled just after the leadership election and was designd to reflect the internal dynamics of that time.
11. Let's see how things evolve once the EHRC report has been published and the NEC elections have taken place. Starmer may have a window of opportunity to make changes. Shadow chancellor is clearly a weakness.
12. Johnson has really boxed himself in on a Brexit deal. He can't get one without losing sections 42 to 45 of the Internal Market Bill. But if he does that most of the ERG will go berserk. Without a deal, there is a border on the Thames and he will have failed to deliver what he promised voters.
13. We are only at the start of the economic bad news.
14. Culture war may be losing its hold on the Tory-voting demographic.
15. Tory incompetence is really cutting through.
16. I am sure there is more, but I can't think what.
Gove will be looking for signs of cocaine use in Sunak's background.
Also is the Tory Party ready to elect a non-white leader?
Non-Tories love to keep asking this question, in the belief the Tory party is secretly a little bit racist. It just goes to show how little they understand them.
Tories don't give a shit what colour your skin is - they care if you're good or not.
I know this is hard for the identity politics obsessed Left to get their heads around but it's the truth.
Well that's fantastic news then, I very much hope he gets a fair hearing.
The Tory Party is undoubtedly racist though, no amount of shutdown due to "identity politics" is going to stop that. Labour of course is/was racist too.
I know this is hard for the identity politics obsessed Left to get their heads around but it's the truth.
You do realise that by your constant treatment of "the left" is some monolithic "identity politics" entity you're engaging in the exact same identity politics you deride so much.
Or is "identity politics" only bad if its an identity you don't subscribe to?
I would say that there is a portion of "progressive" politics that tries to see everything though the lens of race. The same people seem to find successful minorities as a problem.
Sunak occupies an intersection on the Venn diagram that is so small it may only contain him: Competent Leaver.
He is on top of detail, realises cause has effect and avoids being a lying bastard - attributes that set him apart from his colleagues. He is uniquely well placed to take over a big mess, even through objectively he isn't THAT brilliant.
Sunak is a true believer in Brexit, after all being willing to go along with No Deal was a prerequisite for being in the Cabinet. He has managed to hide it well though. He is not going to be the one with egg on his face. Leave Bozo to be the fallguy, chuck him out in the Summer, and be installed for 2021 Autumn conference.
Though I suspect that he won't make it through the contest.
Like all other ministers, Sunak is relaxed about the government not being subject to the rule of law. History will show that to have been a very bad look. That said, he is clearly politically astute, presentable, pragmatic and capable of mastering a brief. He would be a huge step up from the current PM - and you can't say that about many of the cabinet.
I know this is hard for the identity politics obsessed Left to get their heads around but it's the truth.
You do realise that by your constant treatment of "the left" is some monolithic "identity politics" entity you're engaging in the exact same identity politics you deride so much.
Or is "identity politics" only bad if its an identity you don't subscribe to?
I would say that there is a portion of "progressive" politics that tries to see everything though the lens of race. The same people seem to find successful minorities as a problem.
I don't disagree with you. However there is a portion of those on the right who seem to treat everybody on "the left" as some monolithic entity. That's identity politics too and it's just as bad.
Sunak occupies an intersection on the Venn diagram that is so small it may only contain him: Competent Leaver.
He is on top of detail, realises cause has effect and avoids being a lying bastard - attributes that set him apart from his colleagues. He is uniquely well placed to take over a big mess, even through objectively he isn't THAT brilliant.
Grudging, muttered under the breath praise from you is high praise indeed.
He's exceptional, of course.
Of course, it *doesn't* mean he has the political skills or experience to survive being PM in office and win an election too though.
It's one hell of a step up.
I’m afraid that Sunak is in “In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king” territory. He really is not that good. He initially misdiagnosed the problem by coming out with a loans package which had to be changed in days and his package this week is worthless. It disincentivises employers from keeping on staff, is too tricksy by half, not up to the scale of the crisis, does nothing for those most affected and is out of sync with the rest of the government’s strategy - if it can even be called that.
By comparison with other Ministers he is coherent, a good communicator, calm, able to present a brief well. He is also ace at his personal PR. As you would expect from an ex-Goldman’s employee. But for all the shiny exterior what substance really is there?
The Treasury has been the most effective of all the departments. A large part of that is down to the fact that its senior civil servants have been there a long time, are knowledgeable and experienced and, crucially, have experience of the 2008 financial crisis and, therefore, have not acted like rabbits caught in headlights. Bluntly, Cummings has not got his mitts on them. Sunak has benefited from that.
It's easy to criticise - and you do sometimes come across as a perpetual opposer. You did it over Brown's Labour, Cameron's Government, the EU negotiation (you were a very heavy flirter with Brexit in 2016), then May and now Boris - uber critical.
Fine. I often share your views - particularly on the latter. But, your posts would be even more powerful if you occasionally pointed out someone's positives or where Government had done well rather than being perpetually critical.
I don't think you can put all the credit on HM Treasury and none on the Chancellor in what are exceptional times. He has to analyse, consult, make the decisions, present them and win people over - and he carries the can.
He's not a puppet. As him standing up to Boris has shown. So he deserves a bit of grudging acknowledgement, if nothing else.
I know this is hard for the identity politics obsessed Left to get their heads around but it's the truth.
You do realise that by your constant treatment of "the left" is some monolithic "identity politics" entity you're engaging in the exact same identity politics you deride so much.
Or is "identity politics" only bad if its an identity you don't subscribe to?
I would say that there is a portion of "progressive" politics that tries to see everything though the lens of race. The same people seem to find successful minorities as a problem.
Sunak is undoubtedly the best candidate for PM the Tories have and I wish him every success, I stand by my accusation the Tory Party is racist though.
I know this is hard for the identity politics obsessed Left to get their heads around but it's the truth.
You do realise that by your constant treatment of "the left" is some monolithic "identity politics" entity you're engaging in the exact same identity politics you deride so much.
Or is "identity politics" only bad if its an identity you don't subscribe to?
I would say that there is a portion of "progressive" politics that tries to see everything though the lens of race. The same people seem to find successful minorities as a problem.
I don't disagree with you. However there is a portion of those on the right who seem to treat everybody on "the left" as some monolithic entity. That's identity politics too and it's just as bad.
Some people may need to check their hypocrisy.
Was he, or was he referring to the identity politics obsessed Left, a subset of the Left?
That's a rubbish decision, it should be up to the teams and drivers.
Its the right decision - sport is not politics.
For somebody called "state go away" you seem awfully keen on controlling what people do, say, or wear.
Sorry if you check (google it perhaps ) you will find that formula one is not run by the state
You clearly believe in individual liberty. Thus why do you support Formula 1 controlling what Lewis Hamilton wears? Who cares what he wears?
I believe in liberty from the state . Other organisations can have whatever rules they like . As a sports fan I dont like to see politics and sport mixed . I like to watch sport for its own sake not be force fed politics through it. Especially dont like sport being used to demand arrests of people.
O/T - so i'm reading that EDF (owned 84% by French taxpayers) are arguing for the British taxpayer to underwrite cost of new nuclear plant in Somerset. Wouldn't this be helped along a bit if restrictions on state aid were relaxed a bit in UK-EU trade negotiations... #innocent face
(yes i know there's probably some argument about use of state aid for national infrastructure...)
Germany spends a lot on infrastructure. It would be nice to know quite what are the EU rules to which Brexiteers object, especially the Thatcherite half to whom state aid is itself anathema.
I know this is hard for the identity politics obsessed Left to get their heads around but it's the truth.
You do realise that by your constant treatment of "the left" is some monolithic "identity politics" entity you're engaging in the exact same identity politics you deride so much.
Or is "identity politics" only bad if its an identity you don't subscribe to?
I would say that there is a portion of "progressive" politics that tries to see everything though the lens of race. The same people seem to find successful minorities as a problem.
I don't disagree with you. However there is a portion of those on the right who seem to treat everybody on "the left" as some monolithic entity. That's identity politics too and it's just as bad.
Some people may need to check their hypocrisy.
Was he, or was he referring to the identity politics obsessed Left, a subset of the Left?
It's always the same. It's always "the left". It doesn't mean anything, but it propagates the whole "us vs them" culture war narrative which is not helpful whatsoever.
Gove will be looking for signs of cocaine use in Sunak's background.
Also is the Tory Party ready to elect a non-white leader?
Non-Tories love to keep asking this question, in the belief the Tory party is secretly a little bit racist. It just goes to show how little they understand them.
Tories don't give a shit what colour your skin is - they care if you're good or not.
I know this is hard for the identity politics obsessed Left to get their heads around but it's the truth.
Well that's fantastic news then, I very much hope he gets a fair hearing.
The Tory Party is undoubtedly racist though, no amount of shutdown due to "identity politics" is going to stop that. Labour of course is/was racist too.
That's a rubbish decision, it should be up to the teams and drivers.
Its the right decision - sport is not politics.
For somebody called "state go away" you seem awfully keen on controlling what people do, say, or wear.
Sorry if you check (google it perhaps ) you will find that formula one is not run by the state
You clearly believe in individual liberty. Thus why do you support Formula 1 controlling what Lewis Hamilton wears? Who cares what he wears?
I believe in liberty from the state . Other organisations can have whatever rules they like . As a sports fan I dont like to see politics and sport mixed . I like to watch sport for its own sake not be force fed politics through it. Especially dont like sport being used to demand arrests of people.
You must be a very sensitive soul if you think someone wearing a T-shirt is "forcing feeding you politics". Bless you.
I suggest you toughen up and stop being such a snowflake.
I know this is hard for the identity politics obsessed Left to get their heads around but it's the truth.
You do realise that by your constant treatment of "the left" is some monolithic "identity politics" entity you're engaging in the exact same identity politics you deride so much.
Or is "identity politics" only bad if its an identity you don't subscribe to?
I would say that there is a portion of "progressive" politics that tries to see everything though the lens of race. The same people seem to find successful minorities as a problem.
I don't disagree with you. However there is a portion of those on the right who seem to treat everybody on "the left" as some monolithic entity. That's identity politics too and it's just as bad.
Some people may need to check their hypocrisy.
Was he, or was he referring to the identity politics obsessed Left, a subset of the Left?
It's always the same. It's always "the left". It doesn't mean anything, but it propagates the whole "us vs them" culture war narrative which is not helpful whatsoever.
Except it wasn't "the left" that he was referring to.
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- he has given away hundreds of billions
- unlike Boris, he has no serious shadow (Annelise Who?)
- he isn't really associated with leaving the EU, which antagonises half the country.
The first may not last, but the other two could well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoPu1UIBkBc
Correct thing to do IMHO
He is on top of detail, realises cause has effect and avoids being a lying bastard - attributes that set him apart from his colleagues. He is uniquely well placed to take over a big mess, even through objectively he isn't THAT brilliant.
I would actually say that the opposition isn't to Trump's exercising of his right to nomination (to counter DAlexander's arguments). It is to the unseemly haste of the Republicans to say that they will rush through to approve the nominee, without even going through the pretence that the confirmatory hearings might have any impact on the outcome. The process is nomination -> senate committee hearings -> report to the Senate on suitability of the candidate and formal vote for approval*. And of course the hypocrisy.
In 2016 they didn't even start the hearings (they were concerned they would not be able to drag them out long enough, or demonstrate an argument to oppose/reject. Unsurprising as the nominee was specifically put forward to be acceptable to moderate Republican senators.
Now McConnell has declared (and before the nominee was even announced, let alone the commencement of any hearings!) that he will ensure the nomination vote is brought to the floor of the House and pretty much confirmed that he believes he will have the votes to approve regardless of the outcome of the hearings.
*and incidentally it is not the role of the Senate to substitute their opinion on the political acceptability of a candidate in place of the President's. But to ensure that the nominee has the capability etc to carry out the duties of a Supreme Court judge, without fear or favour, and disregarding the political merits of cases brought before them.
But we'll see. Maybe he'll be amazing at milking the public. And certainly the fact that he doesn't have a credible shadow works in his favour.
Gettable. But also bowloutable. Why haven't we had a final before?
He's exceptional, of course.
Of course, it *doesn't* mean he has the political skills or experience to survive being PM in office and win an election too though.
It's one hell of a step up.
18 off the first 4 overs.
(yes i know there's probably some argument about use of state aid for national infrastructure...)
Maybe all professional sport needs to take a good look at itself and wonder if the current structures are there because they are suitable or simply because they are?
California's Bay Area may require telecommuting, even after the pandemic wanes
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/california-s-bay-area-likes-telecommuting-so-much-it-might-n1240898
"This is basically a Ukip for culture and is exactly what the Tory party should be frightened about."
(Telegraph - quoting a Westminster source).
Has that happened before?
Though I suspect that he won't make it through the contest.
Presumably corporations' slogans and messages aren't included?
By comparison with other Ministers he is coherent, a good communicator, calm, able to present a brief well. He is also ace at his personal PR. As you would expect from an ex-Goldman’s employee. But for all the shiny exterior what substance really is there?
The Treasury has been the most effective of all the departments. A large part of that is down to the fact that its senior civil servants have been there a long time, are knowledgeable and experienced and, crucially, have experience of the 2008 financial crisis and, therefore, have not acted like rabbits caught in headlights. Bluntly, Cummings has not got his mitts on them. Sunak has benefited from that.
He's by far the best in the cabinet and doesn't come across totally insane so deserves praise for that.
The Keir Starmer of the Tory Party
“ For the duration of the Podium Ceremony and Post Race Interview Procedure, the Drivers finishing in race in positions 1, 2, 3 must remain attired only in their Driving Suits, 'done up' to the neck, not opened to the waist.”.
Qualify this a bit. I have some time for Hancock. Well intentioned but mediocre. A competent team could carry him. None of the rest are worth the time of day, as far as I know.
As is my safety car bet!
I would not vote for it, I would respect it
Also is the Tory Party ready to elect a non-white leader?
As for your second point. Perhaps the time is right, fifty years after having the UK's first female party leader.
I take no pleasure in that at all.
As to Sunak as leader - is there any *detailed* polling on his popularity? Regional, male/female etc?
Daley in Telegraph
https://twitter.com/LeaskyHT/status/1310177887203610624?s=20
Tories don't give a shit what colour your skin is - they care if you're good or not.
I know this is hard for the identity politics obsessed Left to get their heads around but it's the truth.
for the Midlands -
Good job: 60%
Bad job: 9%
Not sure: 31%
For the North
Good job: 45%
Bad job: 15%
Not sure: 40%
Just to compare, London has
Good job: 43%
Bad job: 16%
Not sure: 41%
and Scotland is -
Good job: 39%
Bad job: 19%
Not sure: 42%
I can't see much evidence in that to suggest that racists North of Watford don't like him
Source: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/rishi-sunak-approval-rating
Or is "identity politics" only bad if its an identity you don't subscribe to?
Because we treat people as individuals.
Before anyone shouts at me, one daughter-in-law in Thai!
1. Nice to see Labour take the lead in a poll - but it is only one.
2. The Delta poll, along with all the others we have seen recently, indicates that the true state of play is pretty much level pegging.
3. If that is the case, the Tories are still in pole position to win most seats at the next election.
4. The UK is a bit of an exception in Europe in seeing the governing party lose so much support so quickly. That is notable.
5. The 39 the Tories got in the Opinium seems to me to be more important than the 42 Labour got. The Tories are now down around 6 points on their GB election 2019 score with the the pollster that got closest to calling the election.
6. Johnson's ratings are actually not that bad for a sitting PM. The unusual bit is the ratings Starmer is getting as LOTO.
7. That may make getting rid of Johnson a bit more of a risk than some Tories believe.
8. Also notable are Sturgeon's UK-wide ratings. She is in strongly positive territory. That may make vote the 2015 vote Labour get SNP Tory line a tougher sell.
9. Every single poll shows that Starmer is a net positive for Labour. But the party itself still has a lot of work to do to win trust.
10. The shadow cabinet is a problem. But it was assembled just after the leadership election and was designd to reflect the internal dynamics of that time.
11. Let's see how things evolve once the EHRC report has been published and the NEC elections have taken place. Starmer may have a window of opportunity to make changes. Shadow chancellor is clearly a weakness.
12. Johnson has really boxed himself in on a Brexit deal. He can't get one without losing sections 42 to 45 of the Internal Market Bill. But if he does that most of the ERG will go berserk. Without a deal, there is a border on the Thames and he will have failed to deliver what he promised voters.
13. We are only at the start of the economic bad news.
14. Culture war may be losing its hold on the Tory-voting demographic.
15. Tory incompetence is really cutting through.
16. I am sure there is more, but I can't think what.
17. Cheers.
The Tory Party is undoubtedly racist though, no amount of shutdown due to "identity politics" is going to stop that. Labour of course is/was racist too.
Some people may need to check their hypocrisy.
Fine. I often share your views - particularly on the latter. But, your posts would be even more powerful if you occasionally pointed out someone's positives or where Government had done well rather than being perpetually critical.
I don't think you can put all the credit on HM Treasury and none on the Chancellor in what are exceptional times. He has to analyse, consult, make the decisions, present them and win people over - and he carries the can.
He's not a puppet. As him standing up to Boris has shown. So he deserves a bit of grudging acknowledgement, if nothing else.
Look at their Islamophobia issues for a start
Seriously?
I suggest you toughen up and stop being such a snowflake.