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A back down by Boris on his “break international law Bill” ? – politicalbetting.com

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edited September 15 in General
A back down by Boris on his “break international law Bill” ? – politicalbetting.com

Boris Johnson has signalled to rebel Tory MPs that he is prepared to compromise over plans to breach international law https://t.co/bsXRXVfPS5

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  • First
  • Boris is a bit like the Duke of York, the Grand old Duke of York, before M'learned friends get involved.
  • For me the great comedy from Boris Johnson/No 10 was that the Salisbury-Addison convention applies to the Internal Markets Bill, even if it did, the Lords can delay it for a year.

    Which is a bit of a spanner in the works if you want this bill to be law by the 31st of December.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 35,623
    edited September 15
    Let us see the detail but if his mps have made him see sense then good on them
  • He's negotiating with himself, threatening to walk out of the talks with himself because of the bad faith of his own former self. Perhaps the best hope is that he finds a compromise with himself, but it's hard to see that given the language.
  • Boris Johnson capitulates again, no surprise there then - no spine.

    This was always about creating an argument with Labour (which Keir refused to fall into) and the judiciary.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 2,403
    'measures that were in the manifesto of the wining party at the general election.'

    We in the wining party have always been fans of large, generous measures :smile:
  • Fpt.
    kinabalu said:

    Don't imagine Don was on tenterhooks about which way Scientific American was going to jump, but still..

    Lozza right back at you on this one -

    Lozza sure seems to have a twitter/social media monkey on his back.

    Heat up banally contentious opinion in a spoon.
    Suck it up on to your iphone.
    Flex your tweeting bicep as you gibber excitedly in anticipation.
    Fire it into the ether and wait for the warm glow of outrage from wokies and approving rts from your fellow 'controversialists'.

    The drug is wreaking havoc in Britain's reactionary community.
  • Laurence Fox is famous why?
  • Laurence Fox is famous why?

    To be honest I have no idea who is but maybe I am just naïve
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 21,361
    I'd need to see the details of what they are proposing. The Cox compromise looks acceptable everything else doesn't.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 7,002

    Laurence Fox is famous why?

    He's an actor who was on Question Time a few months ago.
  • Laurence Fox is famous why?

    2nd rate actor on Lewis (ITV)
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 3,309

    Laurence Fox is famous why?

    15 minute rule.
  • Will part of BoJo's backdown include sacking his Norther Ireland Secretary, who let the cat out of the bag by opening Pandora's box (or visa versa)?

    Strikes me as bit strange that PM with a large majority is too fret (to paraphrase the Blessed Margaret) to fire such nincompoops from his cabinet & entourage.

    Is this due to sympathy for fellow serial incompetents?
  • Andy_JS said:

    Laurence Fox is famous why?

    He's an actor who was on Question Time a few months ago.
    As I do not watch question time maybe it explains why I have no idea who he is
  • Laurence Fox is famous why?

    He's a Twitter culture warrior against the woke left and BLM etc. He thinks All Lives Matter. Some of his best friends are Black. Defund the BBC. Sing Rule Brittania ad infinitum. And so on.
  • Will part of BoJo's backdown include sacking his Norther Ireland Secretary, who let the cat out of the bag by opening Pandora's box (or visa versa)?

    Strikes me as bit strange that PM with a large majority is too fret (to paraphrase the Blessed Margaret) to fire such nincompoops from his cabinet & entourage.

    Is this due to sympathy for fellow serial incompetents?

    Frankly there are so many of them he would need a complete reshuffle
  • Andy_JS said:

    Laurence Fox is famous why?

    He's an actor who was on Question Time a few months ago.
    So...?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 40,729
    edited September 15

    Boris once again negotiating with himself and his lickspittle MPs, rather than with the EU. It's hilarious, or would be if we weren't all going to be hit by the consequences in a few weeks' time. Our EU ex-friends must be looking at all this with a mixture of amusement, horror, anger, impatience, and above all disbelief.
    Our MPs are more important, they set the law the EU does not. Its called Taking Back Control, maybe a concept you should get used to . . . laws set by MPs we elected, what a novel concept!

    --------

    On the topic of the compromise if it is along the lines of the Neill amendment is entirely reasonable. It keeps and puts into law the principle that the UK can override as an emergency "backstop" if required, but puts a reasonable check on that so that the elected Commons must vote first and Ministers can't do it on their own. Quite right to compromise here, I said yesterday I expected this would happen.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 72
    Biden up by 5 in latest Florida Monmouth poll . Quite a surprise given other recent polling from there . Latest Wisconsin poll by CNN/SSRS is a shocker for Trump , down by ten and being hammered in the over 65 group.
  • Laurence Fox is famous why?

    He's a Twitter culture warrior against the woke left and BLM etc. He thinks All Lives Matter. Some of his best friends are Black. Defund the BBC. Sing Rule Brittania ad infinitum. And so on.
    His uncle Edward Fox is of a similar bent, albeit more old school. i wonder if HYUFD thinks Lozza's worldview is part of his genetic inheritance?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 34,049

    Laurence Fox is famous why?

    He's a Twitter culture warrior against the woke left and BLM etc. He thinks All Lives Matter. Some of his best friends are Black. Defund the BBC. Sing Rule Brittania ad infinitum. And so on.
    And support me on Paypal and Patreon. Every donation helps own the libs.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 37,075
    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.
  • Laurence Fox is famous why?

    He's a Twitter culture warrior against the woke left and BLM etc. He thinks All Lives Matter. Some of his best friends are Black. Defund the BBC. Sing Rule Brittania ad infinitum. And so on.
    His uncle Edward Fox is of a similar bent, albeit more old school. i wonder if HYUFD thinks Lozza's worldview is part of his genetic inheritance?
    What, on the grounds that stupidity is inherited as well as intelligence?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 7,002
    "Former Tory vice-chairman Ben Bradley declares he will REFUSE to take part in 'unconscious bias' training for MPs involving a giant blue puppet, saying Tory voters 'abhor the antics' of Black Lives Matter

    Mansfield MP attacked programme for MPs created after BLM protests
    Blasted 'metropolitan groupthink that is intolerant to any diversity of views'
    Parliament has paid Challenge Consultancy £7,000 to design the course "

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8735653/Top-Tory-Ben-Bradley-declares-REFUSE-unconscious-bias-training-MPs.html
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 37,075

    Laurence Fox is famous why?

    He's a Twitter culture warrior against the woke left and BLM etc. He thinks All Lives Matter. Some of his best friends are Black. Defund the BBC. Sing Rule Brittania ad infinitum. And so on.
    His own profession shunned him for saying something rather mild and in the storm that followed he reassessed a few things and found a new sympathetic audience to his plight. So in his anger he's doubled down.

    JK Rowling has done the same with her feminism.

    It's amazing how a mob of people calling you the C-word doesn't win more people round.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 7,002

    Andy_JS said:

    Laurence Fox is famous why?

    He's an actor who was on Question Time a few months ago.
    So...?
    You wanted to know why a lot of people know who he is, which is what being famous means.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 7,351
    Evening all :)

    Quick look at today's US polling so far.

    https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_FL_091520/

    The Monmouth Poll has Biden ahead 50-45 but with a 4.7% margin of error it's effectively meaningless.

    The Florida Athletic University's poll doesn't show what the headline numbers say:

    https://business.fau.edu/news/economics/bepi/2020-09-15-trump-gains-on-biden-in-florida.php

    The actual numbers are Biden 49 Trump 46 Undecided 5 but apparently the Undecideds are breaking 4:1 for Trump which produces the 50-50 headline figure. Again, very large MoE at 3.8% with a sample of just 631 voters.

    On then to the two CNN state polls and first North Carolina:

    http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2020/images/09/15/rel1_nc.pdf

    Biden has a 5-point lead among Registered voters and a 3-point lead among Likely voters but again big margins of error - in excess of 4% so Trump could be ahead.

    On to Wisconsin and unfortunately I can't access the CNN crosstabs but the 10-point Biden lead (52-42) is probably within MoE so a very good poll for the challenger.

    Indeed, all four State polls are decent for Biden for all both Florida and North Carolina remain very close and effectively dead heats on margin of error. Wisconsin is starting to look better for Biden but as always consistency among polls would be helpful.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428
    Who was it who said that the key thing to be totally outrageous was to propose something totally awful and then propose something also awful, but less awful than that?

    I think the example was, say you’ll kill one million people, then a bit later say you only want to kill 100,000 so everyone is pleased?

    I’ve got a feeling it was the Joker.

    How do you ‘compromise’ on breaking the law?

    ‘All right officer, I will admit I was speeding, but at least I’m not three times over the DUI limit as well as I was last week. Can’t you give me credit for that progress?’
  • FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 37,075

    Boris is a bit like the Duke of York, the Grand old Duke of York, before M'learned friends get involved.

    I was just singing this to my 2-year old daughter.

    Perhaps I could change the words..
  • Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Laurence Fox is famous why?

    He's an actor who was on Question Time a few months ago.
    So...?
    You wanted to know why a lot of people know who he is, which is what being famous means.
    Since when does being on Question Time once make somebody famous?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,023
    Andy_JS said:

    "Former Tory vice-chairman Ben Bradley declares he will REFUSE to take part in 'unconscious bias' training for MPs involving a giant blue puppet, saying Tory voters 'abhor the antics' of Black Lives Matter

    Mansfield MP attacked programme for MPs created after BLM protests
    Blasted 'metropolitan groupthink that is intolerant to any diversity of views'
    Parliament has paid Challenge Consultancy £7,000 to design the course "

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8735653/Top-Tory-Ben-Bradley-declares-REFUSE-unconscious-bias-training-MPs.html

    He has considered it and decided he is consciously biased against it.
    Some may say that is the definition of "prejudice". :)
  • dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Former Tory vice-chairman Ben Bradley declares he will REFUSE to take part in 'unconscious bias' training for MPs involving a giant blue puppet, saying Tory voters 'abhor the antics' of Black Lives Matter

    Mansfield MP attacked programme for MPs created after BLM protests
    Blasted 'metropolitan groupthink that is intolerant to any diversity of views'
    Parliament has paid Challenge Consultancy £7,000 to design the course "

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8735653/Top-Tory-Ben-Bradley-declares-REFUSE-unconscious-bias-training-MPs.html

    He has considered it and decided he is consciously biased against it.
    Some may say that is the definition of "prejudice". :)
    Ben Bradley is special.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428
    edited September 15
    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Former Tory vice-chairman Ben Bradley declares he will REFUSE to take part in 'unconscious bias' training for MPs involving a giant blue puppet, saying Tory voters 'abhor the antics' of Black Lives Matter

    Mansfield MP attacked programme for MPs created after BLM protests
    Blasted 'metropolitan groupthink that is intolerant to any diversity of views'
    Parliament has paid Challenge Consultancy £7,000 to design the course "

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8735653/Top-Tory-Ben-Bradley-declares-REFUSE-unconscious-bias-training-MPs.html

    He has considered it and decided he is consciously biased against it.
    Some may say that is the definition of "prejudice". :)
    To be fair to him - although it goes against the grain given how great a twat he is - I must admit I find there is a certain irony in BLM UK accusing anyone else of being ‘unconsciously biased.’
  • Will part of BoJo's backdown include sacking his Norther Ireland Secretary, who let the cat out of the bag by opening Pandora's box (or visa versa)?

    Strikes me as bit strange that PM with a large majority is too fret (to paraphrase the Blessed Margaret) to fire such nincompoops from his cabinet & entourage.

    Is this due to sympathy for fellow serial incompetents?

    Frankly there are so many of them he would need a complete reshuffle
    So why not a total reshuffle? At least give some other (non-) deserving schmucks their own opportunity to add to the jollification of the nation!
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 2,403

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



  • Boris is a bit like the Duke of York, the Grand old Duke of York, before M'learned friends get involved.

    I was just singing this to my 2-year old daughter.

    Perhaps I could change the words..
    Whatever you do, don't sing 'Baby Shark' to your kids, that earworms you for years.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 6,595

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



    Wrong country.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428

    Boris is a bit like the Duke of York, the Grand old Duke of York, before M'learned friends get involved.

    I was just singing this to my 2-year old daughter.

    Perhaps I could change the words..
    Whatever you do, don't sing 'Baby Shark' to your kids, that earworms you for years.
    Horrible Histories’ Divorced, Beheaded and Died is much better.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428
    Carnyx said:

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



    Wrong country.
    A valiant effort to yank the conversation back.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 13,980

    Fpt.

    kinabalu said:

    Don't imagine Don was on tenterhooks about which way Scientific American was going to jump, but still..

    Lozza right back at you on this one -

    Lozza sure seems to have a twitter/social media monkey on his back.

    Heat up banally contentious opinion in a spoon.
    Suck it up on to your iphone.
    Flex your tweeting bicep as you gibber excitedly in anticipation.
    Fire it into the ether and wait for the warm glow of outrage from wokies and approving rts from your fellow 'controversialists'.

    The drug is wreaking havoc in Britain's reactionary community.
    Totally. Replied on PT.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 6,595
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



    Wrong country.
    A valiant effort to yank the conversation back.
    Mine or his?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,023
    Which member of the Cabinet will play the role of "giant blue puppet?"
    During the training that is.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 2,403
    Carnyx said:

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



    Wrong country.
    Sadly the wokeist idiocy has gone global. Plenty of them in the UK too.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 3,309
    dixiedean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Former Tory vice-chairman Ben Bradley declares he will REFUSE to take part in 'unconscious bias' training for MPs involving a giant blue puppet, saying Tory voters 'abhor the antics' of Black Lives Matter

    Mansfield MP attacked programme for MPs created after BLM protests
    Blasted 'metropolitan groupthink that is intolerant to any diversity of views'
    Parliament has paid Challenge Consultancy £7,000 to design the course "

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8735653/Top-Tory-Ben-Bradley-declares-REFUSE-unconscious-bias-training-MPs.html

    He has considered it and decided he is consciously biased against it.
    Some may say that is the definition of "prejudice". :)
    I hope you have been on one of these courses? No good saying you don't need to, because how would you know whether you were unconsciously biased or not? So have you, bearing in mind that answering "No" is just another way of saying "I am a racist pig"?
  • Boris is a bit like the Duke of York, the Grand old Duke of York, before M'learned friends get involved.

    I was just singing this to my 2-year old daughter.

    Perhaps I could change the words..
    "The Grand Old Duke of York" is as well known & beloved on this side of the Atlantic (and Pacific) as in deal Old Blighty.

    Note that the Not-So-Grand Young Duke of York is also well know, though not exactly what you'd call beloved. Except in sense that US prosecutors would LOVE to get their hands on him.
  • Will part of BoJo's backdown include sacking his Norther Ireland Secretary, who let the cat out of the bag by opening Pandora's box (or visa versa)?

    Strikes me as bit strange that PM with a large majority is too fret (to paraphrase the Blessed Margaret) to fire such nincompoops from his cabinet & entourage.

    Is this due to sympathy for fellow serial incompetents?

    Frankly there are so many of them he would need a complete reshuffle
    So why not a total reshuffle? At least give some other (non-) deserving schmucks their own opportunity to add to the jollification of the nation!
    I expect it will come this autumn
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 6,595
    dixiedean said:

    Which member of the Cabinet will play the role of "giant blue puppet?"
    During the training that is.

    I would have thought the answer was obvious. Who's large, a Tory and a puppet?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 24,526

    Laurence Fox is famous why?

    Who is he ?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 34,049

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



    Wrong country.
    Sadly the wokeist idiocy has gone global. Plenty of them in the UK too.
    It's not global; it's just the new religion of the Anglosphere.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 12,380
    Perhaps that's what all this breaking international law was about. Doris wanted to do something a bit naughty, and so they signaled their intention to do something very very naughty, and the compromise solution will be what they wanted all along.
  • Will this reshuffle include the PM?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 13,980

    Laurence Fox is famous why?

    He's a very considerable singer songwriter -

    Sorry ☺
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



    Wrong country.
    A valiant effort to yank the conversation back.
    Mine or his?
    Yours.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 6,595

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



    Wrong country.
    Sadly the wokeist idiocy has gone global. Plenty of them in the UK too.
    But the teaching of history in the UK has to be better than the US - judging from films, it could hardly be worse ...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428
    edited September 15
    Nigelb said:

    Laurence Fox is famous why?

    Who is he ?
    Fox is an actor who had a brush with fame many years ago as Billie Piper’s husband.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 1,425
    edited September 15

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



    Trumpsky agentd provocateur at work.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 8,659
    ydoethur said:

    Who was it who said that the key thing to be totally outrageous was to propose something totally awful and then propose something also awful, but less awful than that?

    I think the example was, say you’ll kill one million people, then a bit later say you only want to kill 100,000 so everyone is pleased?

    I’ve got a feeling it was the Joker.

    How do you ‘compromise’ on breaking the law?

    ‘All right officer, I will admit I was speeding, but at least I’m not three times over the DUI limit as well as I was last week. Can’t you give me credit for that progress?’

    Like Trump saying he managed to keep the Covid 19 death toll below 100,000 rather than 2.2 million. (Approaching 200,000 now, but never mind).
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/trump-says-keeping-us-covid-19-deaths-to-100000-would-be-a-very-good-job
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 12,380
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



    Wrong country.
    Sadly the wokeist idiocy has gone global. Plenty of them in the UK too.
    But the teaching of history in the UK has to be better than the US - judging from films, it could hardly be worse ...
    I had a very expensively-educated US friend at uni who thought that the USA created the first English dictionary and knew the name of the American who (in the 19th century!) created it. As if Dr Johnson never happened. But what he actually knew was when the first American dictionary was created. Not sure what the point is of teaching them that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 24,526
    .
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Laurence Fox is famous why?

    Who is he ?
    Fox is an actor who had a brush with fame many years ago as Billie Piper’s husband.
    Proof that there is regression to the mean even in the Fox dynasty ?
  • A very interesting Twitter thread on shifts from Hillary to Biden amongst white non-college-educated voters in key states:


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428
    Well, this isn’t good news:

    https://www.expressandstar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2020/09/15/cannock-chase-hospital-operations-stopped-after-staff-member-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/

    I had been thinking the nearest problem spots were Walsall and Burton. Seems I thought wrong.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428
    Nigelb said:

    .

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Laurence Fox is famous why?

    Who is he ?
    Fox is an actor who had a brush with fame many years ago as Billie Piper’s husband.
    Proof that there is regression to the mean even in the Fox dynasty ?
    Well, given less his less than illustrious musical career it does at least prove that he who pays the Piper does not necessarily call the tune.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 24,526
    edited September 15
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



    Wrong country.
    Sadly the wokeist idiocy has gone global. Plenty of them in the UK too.
    But the teaching of history in the UK has to be better than the US - judging from films, it could hardly be worse ...
    It’s brilliantly taught. All history teachers in the UK are totally awesome and deserve double the pay.
    A persuasive point.
    Though what went wrong (for example) with @TSE and @Morris_Dancer ?
  • Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



    Wrong country.
    Sadly the wokeist idiocy has gone global. Plenty of them in the UK too.
    But the teaching of history in the UK has to be better than the US - judging from films, it could hardly be worse ...
    It’s brilliantly taught. All history teachers in the UK are totally awesome and deserve double the pay.
    A persuasive point.
    Though what went wrong (for example) with @TSE and @Morris_Dancer ?
    Oi! My historical knowledge is awesome, I have an 'A' in A Level history when A Levels were difficult.
  • OT & Re: PB New Look

    Perhaps just my innate conservatism (which I like to limit to trivialities) but personally prefer the green-mean Old Look.

    Also (and likewise trivial) does anyone else find it odd that each thred is labeled "comments are closed" even when they are not (like right now)?

    OR is this just OGH's homage to Boris Johnson?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 12,380

    OT & Re: PB New Look

    Perhaps just my innate conservatism (which I like to limit to trivialities) but personally prefer the green-mean Old Look.

    Also (and likewise trivial) does anyone else find it odd that each thred is labeled "comments are closed" even when they are not (like right now)?

    OR is this just OGH's homage to Boris Johnson?

    Agree with your second point. However, on point 1, I am pro-the slick new look. It's like moving in to a new home - it needs a bit of decor, few pictures on the walls, cat on the hearth rug, to make it home, but it's definitely an upgrade.
  • ydoethur said:

    Who was it who said that the key thing to be totally outrageous was to propose something totally awful and then propose something also awful, but less awful than that?

    I think the example was, say you’ll kill one million people, then a bit later say you only want to kill 100,000 so everyone is pleased?

    I’ve got a feeling it was the Joker.

    How do you ‘compromise’ on breaking the law?

    ‘All right officer, I will admit I was speeding, but at least I’m not three times over the DUI limit as well as I was last week. Can’t you give me credit for that progress?’

    Its the Overton Window isn't it?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 13,980
    Nigelb said:
    Miami Nice!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 21,970
    edited September 15
    C'mon Nige, strap-in and chocks away. 'Chutes are for milquetoast libtards btw.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 6,198
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



    Wrong country.
    Sadly the wokeist idiocy has gone global. Plenty of them in the UK too.
    But the teaching of history in the UK has to be better than the US - judging from films, it could hardly be worse ...
    Perhaps in America they just don't want to learn.

    I asked a guide in Antigua why there was no mention of the slave trade in her presentation. She explained that most of her customers are American and many just don't want to hear about slavery. She said she was once told by a tourist from the USA that there were no slaves they were indentured servants.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428

    C'mon Nige, strap-in and chocks away. 'Chutes are for milquetoast libtards btw.

    Well, clearly it wasn’t especially well taught at his school if he thinks it was fought on one day.
  • Two problems with the New Look:

    1. Too much white space. I know, I'm fighting a losing battle here, but I keep buying bigger and bigger monitors, because I'm a sentient being who can hack lots of words on a page, and every website keeps thwarting me with increasing acres of white space. (The NatWest banking website, which used to have quite a good main page, is the worst offender, but there are many more.)

    2. The comments now load so slowly that it's become unusable (and you can't see them all). So you have to switch to the Vanilla forums site, but that isn't a satisfactory solution. How are new users supposed to find that? They'll give up.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 34,049

    C'mon Nige, strap-in and chocks away. 'Chutes are for milquetoast libtards btw.

    Hopefully they teach people that it didn't take place on a single day...
  • Two problems with the New Look:

    1. Too much white space. I know, I'm fighting a losing battle here, but I keep buying bigger and bigger monitors, because I'm a sentient being who can hack lots of words on a page, and every website keeps thwarting me with increasing acres of white space. (The NatWest banking website, which used to have quite a good main page, is the worst offender, but there are many more.)

    2. The comments now load so slowly that it's become unusable (and you can't see them all). So you have to switch to the Vanilla forums site, but that isn't a satisfactory solution. How are new users supposed to find that? They'll give up.

    #2, I am suffering this. Very slow filling of the comments on page refresh.
  • Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



    Wrong country.
    Sadly the wokeist idiocy has gone global. Plenty of them in the UK too.
    But the teaching of history in the UK has to be better than the US - judging from films, it could hardly be worse ...
    I had a very expensively-educated US friend at uni who thought that the USA created the first English dictionary and knew the name of the American who (in the 19th century!) created it. As if Dr Johnson never happened. But what he actually knew was when the first American dictionary was created. Not sure what the point is of teaching them that.
    "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" - Samuel Johnson

    As a long-time Tory hack, the good Doctor knew of which he spoke!

    FYI, Noah Webster was ALSO a right-wing hack, in his case for the Federalist Party.

    That said, both made signal contributions to their nations and the world, in particular their dictionaries, both of which were great leaps forward for the English language.

    Johnson's dictionary was of course first. But Webster's was better.

    IF you disagree, stick it in your Funk & Wagnalls!

  • stodgestodge Posts: 7,351


    Oi! My historical knowledge is awesome, I have an 'A' in A Level history when A Levels were difficult.

    It all depended on the examining board as you well know. I got a "C" from the Oxford & Cambridge Schools Examination Board at A-level which was worth an "A" with any other board (so I believe).

    Unfortunately, it was abolished in 1995 by those namby-pamby, widhy-washy, snowflake, woke, cancel culture loving Conservatives of whom I hear so much.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 37,075

    Two problems with the New Look:

    1. Too much white space. I know, I'm fighting a losing battle here, but I keep buying bigger and bigger monitors, because I'm a sentient being who can hack lots of words on a page, and every website keeps thwarting me with increasing acres of white space. (The NatWest banking website, which used to have quite a good main page, is the worst offender, but there are many more.)

    2. The comments now load so slowly that it's become unusable (and you can't see them all). So you have to switch to the Vanilla forums site, but that isn't a satisfactory solution. How are new users supposed to find that? They'll give up.

    I agree with both points.

    On the other hand Robert gives a lot of his free time to make this site work for us ungrateful sods so I'll tolerate imperfection if it works for the hosts and eds.
  • Two problems with the New Look:

    1. Too much white space. I know, I'm fighting a losing battle here, but I keep buying bigger and bigger monitors, because I'm a sentient being who can hack lots of words on a page, and every website keeps thwarting me with increasing acres of white space. (The NatWest banking website, which used to have quite a good main page, is the worst offender, but there are many more.)

    2. The comments now load so slowly that it's become unusable (and you can't see them all). So you have to switch to the Vanilla forums site, but that isn't a satisfactory solution. How are new users supposed to find that? They'll give up.

    As I understand it, this is a work in progress, this isn't the final set up, more of a transition.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 37,075
    I don't know what it is about James Delingpole but the way he talks the way he writes what he says - it's all cringeworthy and embarrassing.

    I'm making the mistake of watching something on his "channel".

    It's like he's a socially inept 14-year old boy trapped in a 55-year old man's body, and desperate for both approval and attention.
  • Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



    Wrong country.
    Sadly the wokeist idiocy has gone global. Plenty of them in the UK too.
    But the teaching of history in the UK has to be better than the US - judging from films, it could hardly be worse ...
    Perhaps in America they just don't want to learn.

    I asked a guide in Antigua why there was no mention of the slave trade in her presentation. She explained that most of her customers are American and many just don't want to hear about slavery. She said she was once told by a tourist from the USA that there were no slaves they were indentured servants.
    When it comes to truly mindless ignorance, no doubt about it - USA is Number One!

    However, note that among our teaming masses & wretched refuge are VERY many who truly care about (and actually know at least some) history - and NOT (always) for (strictly) ideological purposes & motives.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 37,075

    Two problems with the New Look:

    1. Too much white space. I know, I'm fighting a losing battle here, but I keep buying bigger and bigger monitors, because I'm a sentient being who can hack lots of words on a page, and every website keeps thwarting me with increasing acres of white space. (The NatWest banking website, which used to have quite a good main page, is the worst offender, but there are many more.)

    2. The comments now load so slowly that it's become unusable (and you can't see them all). So you have to switch to the Vanilla forums site, but that isn't a satisfactory solution. How are new users supposed to find that? They'll give up.

    As I understand it, this is a work in progress, this isn't the final set up, more of a transition.
    Ah, so it'll change at midnight on 31st December then.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 2,749
    dixiedean said:

    Which member of the Cabinet will play the role of "giant blue puppet?"
    During the training that is.

    Boris obviously.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 28,099

    C'mon Nige, strap-in and chocks away. 'Chutes are for milquetoast libtards btw.

    Hopefully they teach people that it didn't take place on a single day...
    I reckon he must sleep in that blazer.

    Not a good choice for being around aircraft, what with all the oil and dirt.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 2,403

    I don't know what it is about James Delingpole but the way he talks the way he writes what he says - it's all cringeworthy and embarrassing.

    I'm making the mistake of watching something on his "channel".

    It's like he's a socially inept 14-year old boy trapped in a 55-year old man's body, and desperate for both approval and attention.

    I think his main problem is that almost all the people with whom he spent the formative years of his young adulthood have grown up to be vastly more successful than he is. He's got some of the right instincts on culture, but he's also so fundamentally anti-rational as to be maddening.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428
    stodge said:


    Oi! My historical knowledge is awesome, I have an 'A' in A Level history when A Levels were difficult.

    It all depended on the examining board as you well know. I got a "C" from the Oxford & Cambridge Schools Examination Board at A-level which was worth an "A" with any other board (so I believe).

    Unfortunately, it was abolished in 1995 by those namby-pamby, widhy-washy, snowflake, woke, cancel culture loving Conservatives of whom I hear so much.

    No it wasn’t. It was merged with another board and its successor still operates as OCR.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford,_Cambridge_and_RSA_Examinations
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 1,561
    On the Salisbury convention - who decides whether a Bill is covered by it? Has it ever been contentious before?
  • kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:
    Miami Nice!
    Believe Kamala Harris has been spending plenty of quality time in the Sunshine State.

    Two problems with the New Look:

    1. Too much white space. I know, I'm fighting a losing battle here, but I keep buying bigger and bigger monitors, because I'm a sentient being who can hack lots of words on a page, and every website keeps thwarting me with increasing acres of white space. (The NatWest banking website, which used to have quite a good main page, is the worst offender, but there are many more.)

    2. The comments now load so slowly that it's become unusable (and you can't see them all). So you have to switch to the Vanilla forums site, but that isn't a satisfactory solution. How are new users supposed to find that? They'll give up.

    As I understand it, this is a work in progress, this isn't the final set up, more of a transition.
    SO this is a good time for feedback.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 6,198

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - Laurence Fox is a good example of someone who was previously of the soft metro Left but who had doubts about identity politics.

    The reaction of the radical Left to that having driven him to the alt-right.

    He makes shit up because he has no understanding about history.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51233734

    Whereas the Wokeists' historical knowledge is always perfect and without flaw...



    Wrong country.
    Sadly the wokeist idiocy has gone global. Plenty of them in the UK too.
    But the teaching of history in the UK has to be better than the US - judging from films, it could hardly be worse ...
    Perhaps in America they just don't want to learn.

    I asked a guide in Antigua why there was no mention of the slave trade in her presentation. She explained that most of her customers are American and many just don't want to hear about slavery. She said she was once told by a tourist from the USA that there were no slaves they were indentured servants.
    When it comes to truly mindless ignorance, no doubt about it - USA is Number One!

    However, note that among our teaming masses & wretched refuge are VERY many who truly care about (and actually know at least some) history - and NOT (always) for (strictly) ideological purposes & motives.
    Of that I have no doubt, and every last man jack of them will not be voting Trump.
  • Two problems with the New Look:

    1. Too much white space. I know, I'm fighting a losing battle here, but I keep buying bigger and bigger monitors, because I'm a sentient being who can hack lots of words on a page, and every website keeps thwarting me with increasing acres of white space. (The NatWest banking website, which used to have quite a good main page, is the worst offender, but there are many more.)

    2. The comments now load so slowly that it's become unusable (and you can't see them all). So you have to switch to the Vanilla forums site, but that isn't a satisfactory solution. How are new users supposed to find that? They'll give up.

    As I understand it, this is a work in progress, this isn't the final set up, more of a transition.
    What every you do, don't employ Dido Harding to complete the transition....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 31,428
    edited September 15

    On the Salisbury convention - who decides whether a Bill is covered by it? Has it ever been contentious before?

    Many times:

    https://www.parliament.uk/globalassets/documents/lords-library/hllsalisburydoctrine.pdf

    Essentially, it seems the Lords themselves decide, on the basis that if the government disagrees, it can call an election. But I’ve got a feeling in recent years the Speaker has had a role.
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