I think it's likely that every living former PM thinks this move by Cummings and Johnson is a disaster.
...and all the dead ones too!
Their supposed heroine The Blessed Margaret would have been against the WA change breaking international agreement. Rule of law was very important to her.
Johnson isn't a conservative.
A front-man for a faceless, un-elected anarchist who has taken control of the country. It is what Brexit was designed for.
No. Boris is a goon. An idiot - a useful idiot in Lenin's meaning of the phrase.
Having been born white working class and Having grown up in the white working class, I know the white working class is not what the Tories think it is.
I would not at all be surprised if Boris promised a referendum on capital punishment at this point.
I have long assumed that is in Cummings's plan. It is the issue most correlated with Leave/Remain and so the obvious means of rallying the same coalition of support. I will leave the country at that point.
"Some critics are imploring Theresa May to take the lead in opposing the plans, to be debated in the Commons this week. One former minister said there was “exasperation” among Tories and that “the mood had changed”, even among some pro-Brexit new MPs."
Unlike last year, Cummings and Johnson can't purge these.
"Some critics are imploring Theresa May to take the lead in opposing the plans, to be debated in the Commons this week. One former minister said there was “exasperation” among Tories and that “the mood had changed”, even among some pro-Brexit new MPs."
Unlike last year, Cummings and Johnson can't purge these.
It is interesting, however, how many wealthy Scots residents of northwest London, England, are in favour or Scottish Independence.
"Agreeing with the majority of the Scottish population, Ewan McGregor has voiced his opposition to Brexit. Although opposed to Scottish independence from the United Kingdom in the 2014 Scottish referendum, he later declared during an interview in 2017 that he would have voted for Scotland to leave the UK if he had been able to cast his vote the day after the UK left the EU.
McGregor divides his time living between Los Angeles, California and St John's Wood, London."
For instance, I have not forgotten actor Brian Cox's stern avowal in favour of Scotch separatism, broadcast from the mean streets of...... Primrose Hill. Where he lives.
"Some critics are imploring Theresa May to take the lead in opposing the plans, to be debated in the Commons this week. One former minister said there was “exasperation” among Tories and that “the mood had changed”, even among some pro-Brexit new MPs."
Unlike last year, Cummings and Johnson can't purge these.
Lib Dems have a real opportunity to do a reverse 2019 Boris Johnson and steal voters on the centre right
Yep. No point in doing a Charlie Kennedy. Starmer sits near there. A fiscally responsible low tax party of internationalism and personal liberty is where all the space is. German FDP in other words.
It is interesting, however, how many wealthy Scots residents of northwest London, England, are in favour or Scottish Independence.
"Agreeing with the majority of the Scottish population, Ewan McGregor has voiced his opposition to Brexit. Although opposed to Scottish independence from the United Kingdom in the 2014 Scottish referendum, he later declared during an interview in 2017 that he would have voted for Scotland to leave the UK if he had been able to cast his vote the day after the UK left the EU.
McGregor divides his time living between Los Angeles, California and St John's Wood, London."
For instance, I have not forgotten actor Brian Cox's stern avowal in favour of Scotch separatism, broadcast from the mean streets of...... Primrose Hill. Where he lives.
This SE London based Scot would be happy to cast a vote for independence. The UK is being flushed into a sewer by Cummings et al, who wouldn't vote to escape?
Good move. They need to do this. Total War now. Tear down the Wall
What Wall?
You'll not be happy until the fascists take over!
Cummings has grasped (long before many others) that Brexit is Revolutionary. This is not a normal political change. This is a kind of plebiscitary coup. Everything is up for grabs.
We need to go for as much independence as possible. Renounce almost all ties with Europe, legal and political. Void them. Purge them. Suffer the consequences and go indy. It will be painful but Covid is far more painful, so the trauma will be masked.
Let's do it. Cut all our ties. Slice them away. Fuck the hideous EU elite, they are a nightmarish cabal of infant-blood-drinkers.
Out, and into the world. Pure and true.
Revolutions are tricky things, you can well end up with total twats in charge if you arent careful. Boris and Cummings need to go frankly before we tread any further down this line of Boris diktats being made law with no scrutiny.
Hell I never thought I would vote labour but I would if there is an election tomorrow because under Boris the Tories are certainly showing their authoritarian streak
They may have stormed the Bastille, but the Reign of Terror is coming...
Centre right Lib Dems is the route to 100 of their target seats.
Starmer on the centre left, Lib Dems on the centre right, not fishing for the same voters could be an absolute game changer. Get rid of the Tories for good.
"Some critics are imploring Theresa May to take the lead in opposing the plans, to be debated in the Commons this week. One former minister said there was “exasperation” among Tories and that “the mood had changed”, even among some pro-Brexit new MPs."
Unlike last year, Cummings and Johnson can't purge these.
"Some critics are imploring Theresa May to take the lead in opposing the plans, to be debated in the Commons this week. One former minister said there was “exasperation” among Tories and that “the mood had changed”, even among some pro-Brexit new MPs."
Unlike last year, Cummings and Johnson can't purge these.
He has a majority of 80. If he ejected 41 MPs he loses his majority and becomes a minority administration.
If there are rebels (and there apparently are) then 41 rebels + rejects = no rubber stamp in Parliament. It also reduces the numbers for letters to Brady in case of a challenge.
Lib Dems have a real opportunity to do a reverse 2019 Boris Johnson and steal voters on the centre right
The corona rules, including the proposed “covid marshals”, the threatened fines, and the snitch’s hotline, we’re enacted by statutory instrument.
Amazing to think they have not been in front of Parliament.
Interesting. Does that explain why Covid Marshalls are totally unfunded? Simply blame Councils for not rounding up enough busybodies and blame them for infections?
"Some critics are imploring Theresa May to take the lead in opposing the plans, to be debated in the Commons this week. One former minister said there was “exasperation” among Tories and that “the mood had changed”, even among some pro-Brexit new MPs."
Unlike last year, Cummings and Johnson can't purge these.
He has a majority of 80. If he ejected 41 MPs he loses his majority and becomes a minority administration.
If there are rebels (and there apparently are) then 41 rebels + rejects = no rubber stamp in Parliament. It also reduces the numbers for letters to Brady in case of a challenge.
Didn't stop him last time. Worst case, he hands the whole sorry mess over to the unlucky Kier Starmer...
On the letters, he'd be kicking out rebels, presumably they're more likely than average to send in letters.
Death penalty is utterly gross. We don't kill people, I will consider leaving the country if that becomes law.
This evening, Mr C has asked me to help with getting him Irish citizenship. Luckily, marriage to an Irish citizen reduces a lot of the hurdles, so residency might be enough which is a lot simpler.
I still think No Deal is the less likely outcome. After a week of reflection, I think this Act is about shoring up the Tory nutters (pretty much the whole PCP now) to support Boris’s eventual (inevitable?) climb down, dressed up as a historic victory of course.
At that point, Boris may well wish to retire to spend time practicing the violin with his latest squeeze.
"Some critics are imploring Theresa May to take the lead in opposing the plans, to be debated in the Commons this week. One former minister said there was “exasperation” among Tories and that “the mood had changed”, even among some pro-Brexit new MPs."
Unlike last year, Cummings and Johnson can't purge these.
He has a majority of 80. If he ejected 41 MPs he loses his majority and becomes a minority administration.
If there are rebels (and there apparently are) then 41 rebels + rejects = no rubber stamp in Parliament. It also reduces the numbers for letters to Brady in case of a challenge.
Didn't stop him last time. Worst case, he hands the whole sorry mess over to the unlucky Kier Starmer...
On the letters, he'd be kicking out rebels, presumably they're more likely than average to send in letters.
Last time his perfidy / ineptitude was an assumption. This time it is a proven fact.
I still think No Deal is the less likely outcome. After a week of reflection, I think this Act is about shoring up the Tory nutters (pretty much the whole PCP now) to support Boris’s eventual (inevitable?) climb down, dressed up as a historic victory of course.
At that point, Boris may well wish to retire to spend time practicing the violin with his latest squeeze.
It is not about shoring up the PCP. Most of them are incredibly pissed off because a) they've been getting a ton of threats and abuse from nutters about this and b) the Internal Market stuff was rolled out in an incredibly cack-handed manner without giving them a heads up in advance.
It is an clever dick OODA loop ploy designed to throw off the EU's negotiating strategy in the last month of negotiations and create more leverage. The Government will probably drop it in exchange for the EU giving ground on fishing. Not what I would have done personally but that's the idea AIUI.
There are still American State polls with massive undersamples of High School education and less. They should come with a warning sticker attached (danger contains 50% Bachelors Degree holders)
Having been born white working class and Having grown up in the white working class, I know the white working class is not what the Tories think it is.
Similar background, suburban South Birmingham, but I am not sure I do understand today's blue collar classes.
I remember as a fourteen year old moving to Herefordshire in 1976 and seeing flags of St George in gardens. Of course in those days it was to keep the neighbouring Welsh under control. But I had never seen such a thing in the industrial West Midlands. Imagine my horror two years ago seeing flags of St. George flying in Warwick Road, Solihull.
I really don't know these people anymore, so I am damn sure the Tories have no idea who they are.
Having been born white working class and Having grown up in the white working class, I know the white working class is not what the Tories think it is.
Similar background, suburban South Birmingham, but I am not sure I do understand today's blue collar classes.
I remember as a fourteen year old moving to Herefordshire in 1976 and seeing flags of St George in gardens. Of course in those days it was to keep the neighbouring Welsh under control. But I had never seen such a thing in the industrial West Midlands. Imagine my horror two years ago seeing flags of St. George flying in Warwick Road, Solihull.
I really don't know these people anymore, so I am damn sure the Tories have no idea who they are.
"Horror"?
If you feel horror in people being proud of their own country then I think you have the problem not the Tories.
I wonder how many French citizens would boast about feeling "horror" at seeing the French Tricolour? I wonder how many Americans would boast about feeling "horror" at seeing the Stars and Stripes?
On fishing, why don't we just agree the EU's demands and then change it in domestic law
What would be the point of that?
We could get all the things we want, and then unilaterally change the things we don’t want and dare them to do something about it. That’s the new approach to international agreements, right?
Having been born white working class and Having grown up in the white working class, I know the white working class is not what the Tories think it is.
Similar background, suburban South Birmingham, but I am not sure I do understand today's blue collar classes.
I remember as a fourteen year old moving to Herefordshire in 1976 and seeing flags of St George in gardens. Of course in those days it was to keep the neighbouring Welsh under control. But I had never seen such a thing in the industrial West Midlands. Imagine my horror two years ago seeing flags of St. George flying in Warwick Road, Solihull.
I really don't know these people anymore, so I am damn sure the Tories have no idea who they are.
What's wrong with flying the flag of your country? (Not that it's the sort of thing I would ever do).
"The Government has no legal right to impose the severe and miserable restrictions on our lives with which it has wrecked the economy, brought needless grief to the bereaved and the lonely and destroyed our personal liberty.
This is the verdict of one of the most distinguished lawyers in the country, the retired Supreme Court Judge Lord Sumption.
He said last week in a podcast interview: ‘I don’t myself believe that the Act confers on the Government the powers that it has purported to exercise.’"
Having been born white working class and Having grown up in the white working class, I know the white working class is not what the Tories think it is.
Similar background, suburban South Birmingham, but I am not sure I do understand today's blue collar classes.
I remember as a fourteen year old moving to Herefordshire in 1976 and seeing flags of St George in gardens. Of course in those days it was to keep the neighbouring Welsh under control. But I had never seen such a thing in the industrial West Midlands. Imagine my horror two years ago seeing flags of St. George flying in Warwick Road, Solihull.
I really don't know these people anymore, so I am damn sure the Tories have no idea who they are.
What's wrong with flying the flag of your country? (Not that it's the sort of thing I would ever do).
Most of us do not fly flags at all. It is a shame the government has taken to aping the American practice of giving press releases in front of two union flags. The only time we see England flags is during ... hmm, that's a thought ... two years ago ... that would have been the 2018 World Cup (won by allez les bleues). So that's a relief: not fascists; just football.
Lib Dems have a real opportunity to do a reverse 2019 Boris Johnson and steal voters on the centre right
The corona rules, including the proposed “covid marshals”, the threatened fines, and the snitch’s hotline, we’re enacted by statutory instrument.
Amazing to think they have not been in front of Parliament.
Don’t even Statutory Instruments have to technically be laid down before Parliament and voted upon? It’s just all this happens on the nod and without debate.
Come Monday morning this will not have happened and therefore will not be law.
But this doesn’t seem to concern the Govt. The population and police seem to think it’s the law and that’s sufficient. When people have been minded to challenge prosecutions under the Coronavirus legislation through the courts, there hasn’t thus far been a single successful prosecution.
I wonder what Republican law makers in Congress really make of all this talk? (just hoping it will all go away and not come to pass?). There have been problematic US presidential elections in the past (either as a result of general closeness or actual problems with vote-rigging) but in the end the party hierarchies have ultimately always prioritised the protection of the appearance of the respect of American democracy over all else, even when they might have actually had right on their side. The alternative and its implications for the democratic process which infuses almost every layer of US public administration and judiciary, has always been too awful to contemplate.
But this time Trump (and potentially a lot of others) maybe just have too much to lose
Lib Dems have a real opportunity to do a reverse 2019 Boris Johnson and steal voters on the centre right
The corona rules, including the proposed “covid marshals”, the threatened fines, and the snitch’s hotline, we’re enacted by statutory instrument.
Amazing to think they have not been in front of Parliament.
Don’t even Statutory Instruments have to technically be laid down before Parliament and voted upon? It’s just all this happens on the nod and without debate.
Come Monday morning this will not have happened and therefore will not be law.
EDIT: Ok, this is probably not quite right (not least because if it were true it would have been impossible to make any changes during the time when Parliament was in recess). But the instrument as far as I can tell still has not been published which must presumably happen today (Sunday).
It will go scything straight through a population which lives more or less in each others’ pockets, has no healthcare, limited power supplies, inadequate water and insufficient food, and no neighbours who would be willing to help.
That could be a dreadful humanitarian catastrophe. Or it could drive the Gazans to assault Israel and Egypt in a bid to flee with predictable consequences. Or both.
Having been born white working class and Having grown up in the white working class, I know the white working class is not what the Tories think it is.
Similar background, suburban South Birmingham, but I am not sure I do understand today's blue collar classes.
I remember as a fourteen year old moving to Herefordshire in 1976 and seeing flags of St George in gardens. Of course in those days it was to keep the neighbouring Welsh under control. But I had never seen such a thing in the industrial West Midlands. Imagine my horror two years ago seeing flags of St. George flying in Warwick Road, Solihull.
I really don't know these people anymore, so I am damn sure the Tories have no idea who they are.
What's wrong with flying the flag of your country? (Not that it's the sort of thing I would ever do).
Having been born white working class and Having grown up in the white working class, I know the white working class is not what the Tories think it is.
Similar background, suburban South Birmingham, but I am not sure I do understand today's blue collar classes.
I remember as a fourteen year old moving to Herefordshire in 1976 and seeing flags of St George in gardens. Of course in those days it was to keep the neighbouring Welsh under control. But I had never seen such a thing in the industrial West Midlands. Imagine my horror two years ago seeing flags of St. George flying in Warwick Road, Solihull.
I really don't know these people anymore, so I am damn sure the Tories have no idea who they are.
What's wrong with flying the flag of your country? (Not that it's the sort of thing I would ever do).
Having been born white working class and Having grown up in the white working class, I know the white working class is not what the Tories think it is.
Similar background, suburban South Birmingham, but I am not sure I do understand today's blue collar classes.
I remember as a fourteen year old moving to Herefordshire in 1976 and seeing flags of St George in gardens. Of course in those days it was to keep the neighbouring Welsh under control. But I had never seen such a thing in the industrial West Midlands. Imagine my horror two years ago seeing flags of St. George flying in Warwick Road, Solihull.
I really don't know these people anymore, so I am damn sure the Tories have no idea who they are.
What's wrong with flying the flag of your country? (Not that it's the sort of thing I would ever do).
In principle nothing, but the flag of St George has been hijacked by English Nationalists, particularly the EDL.
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No. Boris is a goon. An idiot - a useful idiot in Lenin's meaning of the phrase.
Oxford’s Sir John Bell: ‘We’re not going to beat the second wave’
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/09/12/oxfords-sir-john-bell-not-going-beat-second-wave/
Less than 5.
Cummings has the whole party wrapped around his finger, and most are too stupid to even realise it.
A fiscally responsible low tax party of internationalism and personal liberty is where all the space is.
German FDP in other words.
Amazing to think they have not been in front of Parliament.
Starmer on the centre left, Lib Dems on the centre right, not fishing for the same voters could be an absolute game changer. Get rid of the Tories for good.
I don’t think it works as a wedge issue like immigration, etc - it’s too broadly accepted now.
Not flash, just Keir
If there are rebels (and there apparently are) then 41 rebels + rejects = no rubber stamp in Parliament. It also reduces the numbers for letters to Brady in case of a challenge.
Covid and Brexit have plunged MPs into confusion this week" (£)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/tories-beg-for-answers-as-boris-johnson-s-zoom-rally-turns-farcical-8b6dqrzcm
Simply blame Councils for not rounding up enough busybodies and blame them for infections?
Johnson has not mentioned it, but it would not be a surprise.
Unlike, say, transgender rights.
On the letters, he'd be kicking out rebels, presumably they're more likely than average to send in letters.
After a week of reflection, I think this Act is about shoring up the Tory nutters (pretty much the whole PCP now) to support Boris’s eventual (inevitable?) climb down, dressed up as a historic victory of course.
At that point, Boris may well wish to retire to spend time practicing the violin with his latest squeeze.
https://twitter.com/rakibehsan/status/1287337768641798145?s=20
Well, it does not matter. I no longer give a f*ck
It is an clever dick OODA loop ploy designed to throw off the EU's negotiating strategy in the last month of negotiations and create more leverage. The Government will probably drop it in exchange for the EU giving ground on fishing. Not what I would have done personally but that's the idea AIUI.
Evidently not.
I remember as a fourteen year old moving to Herefordshire in 1976 and seeing flags of St George in gardens. Of course in those days it was to keep the neighbouring Welsh under control. But I had never seen such a thing in the industrial West Midlands. Imagine my horror two years ago seeing flags of St. George flying in Warwick Road, Solihull.
I really don't know these people anymore, so I am damn sure the Tories have no idea who they are.
If you feel horror in people being proud of their own country then I think you have the problem not the Tories.
I wonder how many French citizens would boast about feeling "horror" at seeing the French Tricolour?
I wonder how many Americans would boast about feeling "horror" at seeing the Stars and Stripes?
This is the verdict of one of the most distinguished lawyers in the country, the retired Supreme Court Judge Lord Sumption.
He said last week in a podcast interview: ‘I don’t myself believe that the Act confers on the Government the powers that it has purported to exercise.’"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8726051/PETER-HITCHENS-Government-wading-swamp-despotism-one-muzzle-time.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8726777/Care-homes-cases-quadruple-month-4-5million-vulnerable-people-asked-isolate.html
Come Monday morning this will not have happened and therefore will not be law.
But this doesn’t seem to concern the Govt. The population and police seem to think it’s the law and that’s sufficient. When people have been minded to challenge prosecutions under the Coronavirus legislation through the courts, there hasn’t thus far been a single successful prosecution.
I wonder what Republican law makers in Congress really make of all this talk? (just hoping it will all go away and not come to pass?). There have been problematic US presidential elections in the past (either as a result of general closeness or actual problems with vote-rigging) but in the end the party hierarchies have ultimately always prioritised the protection of the appearance of the respect of American democracy over all else, even when they might have actually had right on their side. The alternative and its implications for the democratic process which infuses almost every layer of US public administration and judiciary, has always been too awful to contemplate.
But this time Trump (and potentially a lot of others) maybe just have too much to lose
impossible to make any changes during the time when Parliament was in recess). But the instrument as far as I can tell still has not been published which must presumably happen today (Sunday).
It will go scything straight through a population which lives more or less in each others’ pockets, has no healthcare, limited power supplies, inadequate water and insufficient food, and no neighbours who would be willing to help.
That could be a dreadful humanitarian catastrophe. Or it could drive the Gazans to assault Israel and Egypt in a bid to flee with predictable consequences. Or both.