The last point is the crucial one. Forget fishing - which is theatre but of no importance to the UK, and in any case where the dispute is actually only over the mechanics and the validity time of quotas - the real point at issue is that of state aid. I've no idea why a Conservative government thinks it's desirable to be able to prop up failing industries with taxpayers' money, but, leaving that aside, the key stumbling block is that the EU, having accepted that the ECJ won't be the arbiter of what is unacceptable state aid, wants a clear independent regulatory framework instead. The UK government for some inexplicable reason connected presumably with the obsessions of Dominic Cummings doesn't want to agree to this, and is saying 'trust us'.
I want to leave my Vodafone contract but still use all the services without paying anything, I'm also considering an O2 contract, they must accept me as I am CHB and I am English
When this story ends up being total b*llocks I wonder if @Philip_Thompson will go back to w*nking over the WA again.
I have no qualms with the WA. It served its purpose.
You’ve spent significant time this evening telling us you don’t agree with the binding international treaty that you had previously told us was amazing. Which is it?
The last point is the crucial one. Forget fishing - which is theatre but of no importance to the UK, and in any case where the dispute is actually only over the mechanics and the validity time of quotas - the real point at issue is that of state aid. I've no idea why a Conservative government thinks it's desirable to be able to prop up failing industries with taxpayers' money, but, leaving that aside, the key stumbling block is that the EU, having accepted that the ECJ won't be the arbiter of what is unacceptable state aid, wants a clear independent regulatory framework instead. The UK government for some inexplicable reason connected presumably with the obsessions of Dominic Cummings doesn't want to agree to this, and is saying 'trust us'.
Well, they won't, will they?
The reason is pretty self explanatory. The EU are defining "state aid" insanely broadly to the point it would include eg competitive tax rates.
Do you think the EU should have a veto on tax cuts?
The last point is the crucial one. Forget fishing - which is theatre but of no importance to the UK, and in any case where the dispute is actually only over the mechanics and the validity time of quotas - the real point at issue is that of state aid. I've no idea why a Conservative government thinks it's desirable to be able to prop up failing industries with taxpayers' money, but, leaving that aside, the key stumbling block is that the EU, having accepted that the ECJ won't be the arbiter of what is unacceptable state aid, wants a clear independent regulatory framework instead. The UK government for some inexplicable reason connected presumably with the obsessions of Dominic Cummings doesn't want to agree to this, and is saying 'trust us'.
Well, they won't, will they?
The reason is pretty self explanatory. The EU are defining "state aid" insanely broadly to the point it would include eg competitive tax rates.
Do you think the EU should have a veto on tax cuts?
Oh look, you’re whining again. 😭😭 boo hoo the EU wont give us what we want unless we give them what they want 😫
Oh dear Simon - and what are you going to do about it?
I thought EU sequencing was meant to prevent this happening? 🤣
Simon and Leo are going to have some explaining to do to their electorate.
I am not quite sure if you get this - but in Ireland the Irish people are fully behind their Government on Brexit.
I am not quite sure if you get this - but in Britain the British people are behind their Government on Brexit.
Remember that whole election and 80 seat majority we just had?
Some British people are behind the government on Brexit, maybe up to 50%. The consensus is much broader in Ireland. The one thing that the Irish coalition government, which is now led by Fianna Fail, has no need to worry about is any kind of domestic backlash should the UK decide to renege on a deal it has signed. To be fair, I think the UK government will get a boost too once No Deal becomes reality. The issue is what does a country that has proved it can’t be trusted do to mitigate the damage of what No Deal will bring?
The last point is the crucial one. Forget fishing - which is theatre but of no importance to the UK, and in any case where the dispute is actually only over the mechanics and the validity time of quotas - the real point at issue is that of state aid. I've no idea why a Conservative government thinks it's desirable to be able to prop up failing industries with taxpayers' money, but, leaving that aside, the key stumbling block is that the EU, having accepted that the ECJ won't be the arbiter of what is unacceptable state aid, wants a clear independent regulatory framework instead. The UK government for some inexplicable reason connected presumably with the obsessions of Dominic Cummings doesn't want to agree to this, and is saying 'trust us'.
Well, they won't, will they?
The reason is pretty self explanatory. The EU are defining "state aid" insanely broadly to the point it would include eg competitive tax rates.
Do you think the EU should have a veto on tax cuts?
I don't have a view. It's a negotiation. The EU very reasonably will act in what it thinks are its interests. It doesn't owe us any favours - rather the reverse, given all the trouble we've caused. We are the supplicants, having insanely boxed ourselves in to an impossible timetable for no reason whatsoever.
In such a situation, we'll get shafted. Some of us have been pointing this out for many months. The only question now is whether we accept what we are offered, or throw our toys out of the pram and get nothing.
When this story ends up being total b*llocks I wonder if @Philip_Thompson will go back to w*nking over the WA again.
I have no qualms with the WA. It served its purpose.
You’ve spent significant time this evening telling us you don’t agree with the binding international treaty that you had previously told us was amazing. Which is it?
I haven't said that once. Either part of that.
I think the WA was ok not amazing. I haven't said I disagree with the WA either.
So 0/2 must try harder.
What I said is that UK courts need to operate on the basis of UK laws. If there is a dispute between the UK and the EU on the operation of the treaty then that needs dispute resolution just like any other treaty does.
Anyone else see this WA story as a dead cat to cover the rising infection rate?
Seems silly because the infection rate isn’t going to go away...?
Yes but. We've had 6 months of no one noticing Brexit no deal was being negotiated. Because Covid. Now they want 6 months of no one noticing Covid is on the rise. Because Brexit. Genius!
The last point is the crucial one. Forget fishing - which is theatre but of no importance to the UK, and in any case where the dispute is actually only over the mechanics and the validity time of quotas - the real point at issue is that of state aid. I've no idea why a Conservative government thinks it's desirable to be able to prop up failing industries with taxpayers' money, but, leaving that aside, the key stumbling block is that the EU, having accepted that the ECJ won't be the arbiter of what is unacceptable state aid, wants a clear independent regulatory framework instead. The UK government for some inexplicable reason connected presumably with the obsessions of Dominic Cummings doesn't want to agree to this, and is saying 'trust us'.
Well, they won't, will they?
The reason is pretty self explanatory. The EU are defining "state aid" insanely broadly to the point it would include eg competitive tax rates.
Do you think the EU should have a veto on tax cuts?
Oh look, you’re whining again. 😭😭 boo hoo the EU wont give us what we want unless we give them what they want 😫
No whine. If the EU won't give us what we want we turn around and walk away. No upset, I'm perfectly fine with that.
The last point is the crucial one. Forget fishing - which is theatre but of no importance to the UK, and in any case where the dispute is actually only over the mechanics and the validity time of quotas - the real point at issue is that of state aid. I've no idea why a Conservative government thinks it's desirable to be able to prop up failing industries with taxpayers' money, but, leaving that aside, the key stumbling block is that the EU, having accepted that the ECJ won't be the arbiter of what is unacceptable state aid, wants a clear independent regulatory framework instead. The UK government for some inexplicable reason connected presumably with the obsessions of Dominic Cummings doesn't want to agree to this, and is saying 'trust us'.
Well, they won't, will they?
The reason is pretty self explanatory. The EU are defining "state aid" insanely broadly to the point it would include eg competitive tax rates.
Do you think the EU should have a veto on tax cuts?
Oh look, you’re whining again. 😭😭 boo hoo the EU wont give us what we want unless we give them what they want 😫
No whine. If the EU won't give us what we want we turn around and walk away. No upset, I'm perfectly fine with that.
Some British people are behind the government on Brexit, maybe up to 50%. The consensus is much broader in Ireland. The one thing that the Irish coalition government, which is now led by Fianna Fail, has no need to worry about is any kind of domestic backlash should the UK decide to renege on a deal it has signed. To be fair, I think the UK government will get a boost too once No Deal becomes reality. The issue is what does a country that has proved it can’t be trusted do to mitigate the damage of what No Deal will bring?
Oh, I'm sure that as soon as we renege on an international treaty the French will be rushing to help us deal with the cross-channel migration problem, the Spaniards will become cooperative on Gibraltar, and UK fishermen will be given full rights to land their fish in EU ports with no bureaucracy.
Anyone else see this WA story as a dead cat to cover the rising infection rate?
Seems silly because the infection rate isn’t going to go away...?
Yes but. We've had 6 months of no one noticing Brexit no deal was being negotiated. Because Covid. Now they want 6 months of no one noticing Covid is on the rise. Because Brexit. Genius!
The dividing line between Genius and Insanity is a thin one...
Some British people are behind the government on Brexit, maybe up to 50%. The consensus is much broader in Ireland. The one thing that the Irish coalition government, which is now led by Fianna Fail, has no need to worry about is any kind of domestic backlash should the UK decide to renege on a deal it has signed. To be fair, I think the UK government will get a boost too once No Deal becomes reality. The issue is what does a country that has proved it can’t be trusted do to mitigate the damage of what No Deal will bring?
Oh, I'm sure that as soon as we renege on an international treaty the French will be rushing to help us deal with the cross-channel migration problem, the Spaniards will become cooperative on Gibraltar, and UK fishermen will be given full rights to land their fish in EU ports with no bureaucracy.
Do you remember when Brexiteers insisted that election manifesto commitments had to be met? What did the 2019 Tory manifesto say about the Withdrawal Agreement?
When this story ends up being total b*llocks I wonder if @Philip_Thompson will go back to w*nking over the WA again.
I have no qualms with the WA. It served its purpose.
You’ve spent significant time this evening telling us you don’t agree with the binding international treaty that you had previously told us was amazing. Which is it?
Technically yes. Not that it has much capability any more. I know a lot of navy and ex-navy people and they are not impressed with the hollowed out shell which is all that remains of the UK navy. We are down to 20 destroyers / frigates and some of them are always not fit for sea.
One task the RN could do is fisheries protection as they have a surfeit of OPVs. When the tories postponed the T26 frigate program they had to order 5 x River Class OPVs they didn't really need or want in order to keep BAE Glasgow busy as the carrier program wound down.
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Well, they won't, will they?
Remember that whole election and 80 seat majority we just had?
This is the fastest way to the break up of the Union.
And still the Little Englanders cheer...
Do you think the EU should have a veto on tax cuts?
"In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or wrong to vote to leave the European Union?"
Right: 41%, Wrong: 47%, DK: 13% (YouGov, 30-31 July 2020)
Perhaps not entirely behind Boris on this one...
Step away from the crack pipe...
In such a situation, we'll get shafted. Some of us have been pointing this out for many months. The only question now is whether we accept what we are offered, or throw our toys out of the pram and get nothing.
I think the WA was ok not amazing.
I haven't said I disagree with the WA either.
So 0/2 must try harder.
What I said is that UK courts need to operate on the basis of UK laws. If there is a dispute between the UK and the EU on the operation of the treaty then that needs dispute resolution just like any other treaty does.
We've had 6 months of no one noticing Brexit no deal was being negotiated. Because Covid.
Now they want 6 months of no one noticing Covid is on the rise.
Because Brexit.
Genius!
Looking at scotland testing numbers by age group. In the week before schools went back there were 563 5-11 year olds tested for Coronavirus that week
In the week ending 30th of August 17,116 were tested that week.
Positive test rate for that week was 0.04%
Congress won't approve a deal if we fuck with the Good Friday Agreement.