It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
"EU officials now believe the UK is prepared to end up with no deal."
Seriously? They now believe this. Have they not listened to a bloody word that has been said since Dec 2019?
They were probably taken in by the likes of Big_G who assured us all it would never happen.
Or Michael Gove, or Boris Johnson, or indeed the Vote Leave website:
'There is a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or EU. After we vote to leave we will stay in this zone. The suggestion that Bosnia, Serbia, Albania and the Ukraine would stay part of this free trade area - and Britain would be on the outside with just Belarus - is as credible as Jean-Claude Juncker joining UKIP.
'Agreeing to maintain this continental free trade zone is the simple course and emphatically in everyone’s interests.’
I look forward to Jean-Claude Juncker's keynote speech at the next UKIP conference.
But we all know they having been lying since 2016. How come the EU doesn't?
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
I ate there only 4 weeks ago.
Don't get my wrong, I love that pub, but the seafood range was extremely limited: prawns, mussels, whitebait, breaded scampi, breaded plaice, crab meat salad and seafood curry and stew. Better than many places in the UK, yes. But it wasn't offering any of the fresh fish caught at Ventnor of the range and variety I described.
I'd have thought you'd have recognised my point anyway, particularly since it recognises that we ourselves might have a part to play in the plight of our fishermen rather than it all being the fault of the EU. [In truth the quota allocations are unfair to British fishermen but if we really want to help them we need to buy more of what they catch]
Whenever you lot start talking about places, it's always ones I've never been to.
"EU officials now believe the UK is prepared to end up with no deal."
Seriously? They now believe this. Have they not listened to a bloody word that has been said since Dec 2019?
They were probably taken in by the likes of Big_G who assured us all it would never happen.
Or Michael Gove, or Boris Johnson, or indeed the Vote Leave website:
'There is a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or EU. After we vote to leave we will stay in this zone. The suggestion that Bosnia, Serbia, Albania and the Ukraine would stay part of this free trade area - and Britain would be on the outside with just Belarus - is as credible as Jean-Claude Juncker joining UKIP.
'Agreeing to maintain this continental free trade zone is the simple course and emphatically in everyone’s interests.’
I look forward to Jean-Claude Juncker's keynote speech at the next UKIP conference.
"Bosnia, Serbia, Albania and the Ukraine" are the countries he's comparing us to there. What LPF have they signed up to?
"EU officials now believe the UK is prepared to end up with no deal."
Seriously? They now believe this. Have they not listened to a bloody word that has been said since Dec 2019?
They were probably taken in by the likes of Big_G who assured us all it would never happen.
Or Michael Gove, or Boris Johnson, or indeed the Vote Leave website:
'There is a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or EU. After we vote to leave we will stay in this zone. The suggestion that Bosnia, Serbia, Albania and the Ukraine would stay part of this free trade area - and Britain would be on the outside with just Belarus - is as credible as Jean-Claude Juncker joining UKIP.
'Agreeing to maintain this continental free trade zone is the simple course and emphatically in everyone’s interests.’
I look forward to Jean-Claude Juncker's keynote speech at the next UKIP conference.
But we all know they having been lying since 2016. How come the EU doesn't?
They haven't been lying. The loons really, seriously believed that all their wishful thinking was reality. They still do. This is from yesterday::
If we end up with a no deal scenario – and it is possible – the Europeans stand to lose a large and very profitable marketplace, namely the United Kingdom.
They stand to lose access to the most efficient financial market in the world, the City, which provides brilliantly low cost and low risk finance to all of their industries. They think that is punishing us, but they will really punish themselves if we are smart about it.
They stand to lose any access to British fisheries, rather than the sensible and civilised arrangements that would apply once they accept agreed British control of our waters.
They stand to lose the funding that was agreed under the Withdrawal Agreement, which was agreed on the presumption that we would get a trade deal, a political promise that the EU is failing to keep.
If we end up with a no deal scenario – and it is possible – the Europeans stand to lose a large and very profitable marketplace, namely the United Kingdom.
Without a reasonable trade deal there is nothing to stop the United Kingdom repudiating the whole agreement, and simply maintaining the parts that we as a civilised nation would of course apply – including for example the protection of the rights of European Citizens.
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
Just 0.5% of the available hospital beds in the UK are taken by Covid positive patients today and that figure is decreasing all the time. The more people find out just how unaffected the NHS is now by Covid the more people will attend marches like this. Our lives and futures are still being massively affected by a disease which is becoming largely irrelevant for hospitals.
"EU officials now believe the UK is prepared to end up with no deal."
Seriously? They now believe this. Have they not listened to a bloody word that has been said since Dec 2019?
They were probably taken in by the likes of Big_G who assured us all it would never happen.
Or Michael Gove, or Boris Johnson, or indeed the Vote Leave website:
'There is a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or EU. After we vote to leave we will stay in this zone. The suggestion that Bosnia, Serbia, Albania and the Ukraine would stay part of this free trade area - and Britain would be on the outside with just Belarus - is as credible as Jean-Claude Juncker joining UKIP.
'Agreeing to maintain this continental free trade zone is the simple course and emphatically in everyone’s interests.’
I look forward to Jean-Claude Juncker's keynote speech at the next UKIP conference.
"Bosnia, Serbia, Albania and the Ukraine" are the countries he's comparing us to there. What LPF have they signed up to?
Err, I don't think it's up to me to attempt to rationalise Brexiteer fantasies.
Just 0.5% of the available hospital beds in the UK are taken by Covid positive patients today and that figure is decreasing all the time. The more people find out just how unaffected the NHS is now by Covid the more people will attend marches like this. Our lives and futures are still being massively affected by a disease which is becoming largely irrelevant for hospitals.
Just 0.5% of the available hospital beds in the UK are taken by Covid positive patients today and that figure is decreasing all the time. The more people find out just how unaffected the NHS is now by Covid the more people will attend marches like this. Our lives and futures are still being massively affected by a disease which is becoming largely irrelevant for hospitals.
I am sure that you will find many like-minded souls. Have a good day out.
Just 0.5% of the available hospital beds in the UK are taken by Covid positive patients today and that figure is decreasing all the time. The more people find out just how unaffected the NHS is now by Covid the more people will attend marches like this. Our lives and futures are still being massively affected by a disease which is becoming largely irrelevant for hospitals.
About time NHS staff went back to work!!
Nah, its a bit late for me, and anyway I am on holiday.
Except Joe Biden is at 50.8% in the 538 poll of polls, which is five points better than the very highest Hillary Clinton score, and is only 0.4% behind his highest poll of polls number ever.
The only candidate I can find with a higher August polling average in the last fifty years in Reagan in '84.
"EU officials now believe the UK is prepared to end up with no deal."
Seriously? They now believe this. Have they not listened to a bloody word that has been said since Dec 2019?
They were probably taken in by the likes of Big_G who assured us all it would never happen.
Or Michael Gove, or Boris Johnson, or indeed the Vote Leave website:
'There is a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or EU. After we vote to leave we will stay in this zone. The suggestion that Bosnia, Serbia, Albania and the Ukraine would stay part of this free trade area - and Britain would be on the outside with just Belarus - is as credible as Jean-Claude Juncker joining UKIP.
'Agreeing to maintain this continental free trade zone is the simple course and emphatically in everyone’s interests.’
I look forward to Jean-Claude Juncker's keynote speech at the next UKIP conference.
"Bosnia, Serbia, Albania and the Ukraine" are the countries he's comparing us to there. What LPF have they signed up to?
Well, Bosnia, Serbia and Albania are all at various stages of applying to join the EU, so one would assume that their playing fields are in the process of being levelled.
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
What's your favourite place in Ventnor?
Sitting at the Beach Shack in March or October enjoying Andy’s wife’s crab soup and a white wine takes some beating. Andy used to be restaurant manager on the QE2 then manager of the Royal Hotel before opting for the quiet life by the beach. The Boathouse at Steephill does a mean seafood platter but charges through the nose for it. The food at the Royal Hotel is surprisingly good if you overlook the collection of eccentric staff they employ to serve it to you. Of local pubs, the Buddle at Niton knocks the Spyglass out of the park. Our local Indian Red Chilli isn’t bad, the Chinese just bog standard. On the Esplanade the Smoking Lobster is by far the best; the Met Bar not bad for a quick snack. And of course there’s always a cup of tea and a Kipling cake down at the putting green in the summer. And Edulis at the botanic garden.
Anywhere else will have someone with tattoos standing outside and is best avoided.
The town is waiting for some Rick Stein type to set up here and really put us on the map. We had hopes for Thompson when he had the Michelin star at the Hamborough, but he went off to set up his own place in Newport and now serves Beetroot froth to the masses (of mostly wealthy grockles from Barnes and the like)
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
Just 0.5% of the available hospital beds in the UK are taken by Covid positive patients today and that figure is decreasing all the time. The more people find out just how unaffected the NHS is now by Covid the more people will attend marches like this. Our lives and futures are still being massively affected by a disease which is becoming largely irrelevant for hospitals.
I am sure that you will find many like-minded souls. Have a good day out.
Hey let’s just keep the 15 million on the waiting list just in case Covid comes back as it’s the only illness that matters. We have to protect against Covid at all costs. If that means thousands die of other illnesses that does not matter, as long as it is not a Covid death.
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
What's your favourite place in Ventnor?
Sitting at the Beach Shack in March or October enjoying Andy’s wife’s crab soup and a white wine takes some beating. Andy used to be restaurant manager on the QE2 then manager of the Royal Hotel before opting for the quiet life by the beach. The Boathouse at Steephill does a mean seafood platter but charges through the nose for it. The food at the Royal Hotel is surprisingly good if you overlook the collection of eccentric staff they employ to serve it to you. Of local pubs, the Buddle at Niton knocks the Spyglass out of the park. Our local Indian Red Chilli isn’t bad, the Chinese just bog standard. On the Esplanade the Smoking Lobster is by far the best; the Met Bar not bad for a quick snack. And of course there’s always a cup of tea and a Kipling cake down at the putting green in the summer. And Edulis at the botanic garden.
Anywhere else will have someone with tattoos standing outside and is best avoided.
The town is waiting for some Rick Stein type to set up here and really put us on the map. We had hopes for Thompson when he had the Michelin star at the Hamborough, but he went off to set up his own place in Newport and now serves Beetroot froth to the masses (of mostly wealthy grockles from Barnes and the like)
I found Thompson's a bit disappointing. My favourite was Dan's Kitchen, but Dan sold up last year, another Royal Ventnor Hotel alumni.
I haven't been to the Royal for some years, since a family wedding there.
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
We don't know what the detail is behind the scenes.
I can't work out what the big deal is about state aid and fish, but then again I'm not party to all the discussions.
I could read the draft EU and UK texts in full and try and work it out I suppose..
On LPF the issue is the EU is insisting on dynamic alignment which is unconscionable
Just 0.5% of the available hospital beds in the UK are taken by Covid positive patients today and that figure is decreasing all the time. The more people find out just how unaffected the NHS is now by Covid the more people will attend marches like this. Our lives and futures are still being massively affected by a disease which is becoming largely irrelevant for hospitals.
I am sure that you will find many like-minded souls. Have a good day out.
Hey let’s just keep the 15 million on the waiting list just in case Covid comes back as it’s the only illness that matters. We have to protect against Covid at all costs. If that means thousands die of other illnesses that does not matter, as long as it is not a Covid death.
The article is about the hidden waiters on the follow up list. They have been ignored for years as there have been no targets for follow ups, just new patients since the Milburn reforms nearly two decades ago.
Normal work is going on, just slowed down a bit because of Covid-19, but we cannot ignore the protocols set out by NICE, as our patients are some of the highest risk groups.
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
Yes, but it is a great location, always packed.
The location and atmosphere are great, the service good especially if Mark is behind the bar. The live music is variable but credit to them for making the effort, especially all year round. The various events they do during the year are also variable - they still do a French themed Beaujolais Nouveau day in November where berets and stripy jerseys are de rigour.
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
What's your favourite place in Ventnor?
Sitting at the Beach Shack in March or October enjoying Andy’s wife’s crab soup and a white wine takes some beating. Andy used to be restaurant manager on the QE2 then manager of the Royal Hotel before opting for the quiet life by the beach. The Boathouse at Steephill does a mean seafood platter but charges through the nose for it. The food at the Royal Hotel is surprisingly good if you overlook the collection of eccentric staff they employ to serve it to you. Of local pubs, the Buddle at Niton knocks the Spyglass out of the park. Our local Indian Red Chilli isn’t bad, the Chinese just bog standard. On the Esplanade the Smoking Lobster is by far the best; the Met Bar not bad for a quick snack. And of course there’s always a cup of tea and a Kipling cake down at the putting green in the summer. And Edulis at the botanic garden.
Anywhere else will have someone with tattoos standing outside and is best avoided.
The town is waiting for some Rick Stein type to set up here and really put us on the map. We had hopes for Thompson when he had the Michelin star at the Hamborough, but he went off to set up his own place in Newport and now serves Beetroot froth to the masses (of mostly wealthy grockles from Barnes and the like)
I found Thompson's a bit disappointing. My favourite was Dan's Kitchen, but Dan sold up last year, another Royal Ventnor Hotel alumni.
I haven't been to the Royal for some years, since a family wedding there.
Clearly you are not a beetroot froth man, then. It isn’t for everyone
Just 0.5% of the available hospital beds in the UK are taken by Covid positive patients today and that figure is decreasing all the time. The more people find out just how unaffected the NHS is now by Covid the more people will attend marches like this. Our lives and futures are still being massively affected by a disease which is becoming largely irrelevant for hospitals.
I am sure that you will find many like-minded souls. Have a good day out.
Hey let’s just keep the 15 million on the waiting list just in case Covid comes back as it’s the only illness that matters. We have to protect against Covid at all costs. If that means thousands die of other illnesses that does not matter, as long as it is not a Covid death.
The article is about the hidden waiters on the follow up list. They have been ignored for years as there have been no targets for follow ups, just new patients since the Milburn reforms nearly two decades ago.
Normal work is going on, just slowed down a bit because of Covid-19, but we cannot ignore the protocols set out by NICE, as our patients are some of the highest risk groups.
What about the 'hidden wasters' who work for NHS who don't give a toss about patient welfare but who draw huge salaries and fat pensions paid for by the taxpayers???
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
Yes, but it is a great location, always packed.
The location and atmosphere are great, the service good especially if Mark is behind the bar. The live music is variable but credit to them for making the effort, especially all year round. The various events they do during the year are also variable - they still do a French themed Beaujolais Nouveau day in November where berets and stripy jerseys are de rigour.
I haven't been to a Beaujolais Nouveau evening since the Eighties! Overdue for a revival...
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
Yes, but it is a great location, always packed.
The location and atmosphere are great, the service good especially if Mark is behind the bar. The live music is variable but credit to them for making the effort, especially all year round. The various events they do during the year are also variable - they still do a French themed Beaujolais Nouveau day in November where berets and stripy jerseys are de rigour.
I haven't been to a Beaujolais Nouveau evening since the Eighties! Overdue for a revival...
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
What's your favourite place in Ventnor?
Sitting at the Beach Shack in March or October enjoying Andy’s wife’s crab soup and a white wine takes some beating. Andy used to be restaurant manager on the QE2 then manager of the Royal Hotel before opting for the quiet life by the beach. The Boathouse at Steephill does a mean seafood platter but charges through the nose for it. The food at the Royal Hotel is surprisingly good if you overlook the collection of eccentric staff they employ to serve it to you. Of local pubs, the Buddle at Niton knocks the Spyglass out of the park. Our local Indian Red Chilli isn’t bad, the Chinese just bog standard. On the Esplanade the Smoking Lobster is by far the best; the Met Bar not bad for a quick snack. And of course there’s always a cup of tea and a Kipling cake down at the putting green in the summer. And Edulis at the botanic garden.
Anywhere else will have someone with tattoos standing outside and is best avoided.
The town is waiting for some Rick Stein type to set up here and really put us on the map. We had hopes for Thompson when he had the Michelin star at the Hamborough, but he went off to set up his own place in Newport and now serves Beetroot froth to the masses (of mostly wealthy grockles from Barnes and the like)
I found Thompson's a bit disappointing. My favourite was Dan's Kitchen, but Dan sold up last year, another Royal Ventnor Hotel alumni.
I haven't been to the Royal for some years, since a family wedding there.
Clearly you are not a beetroot froth man, then. It isn’t for everyone
It was quite good, but not as memorable the price!
A guilty secret: We are rather fond of Fox's in Bembridge. Many happy memories of Sunday Lunch there, when grandma used to treat us. Mainstream meat and two veg in the classic English style, but very well done.
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
Yes, but it is a great location, always packed.
Would you believe that in the early ‘80s what is now the Spyglass was a derelict squat and notorious drugs den?
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
What's your favourite place in Ventnor?
Sitting at the Beach Shack in March or October enjoying Andy’s wife’s crab soup and a white wine takes some beating. Andy used to be restaurant manager on the QE2 then manager of the Royal Hotel before opting for the quiet life by the beach. The Boathouse at Steephill does a mean seafood platter but charges through the nose for it. The food at the Royal Hotel is surprisingly good if you overlook the collection of eccentric staff they employ to serve it to you. Of local pubs, the Buddle at Niton knocks the Spyglass out of the park. Our local Indian Red Chilli isn’t bad, the Chinese just bog standard. On the Esplanade the Smoking Lobster is by far the best; the Met Bar not bad for a quick snack. And of course there’s always a cup of tea and a Kipling cake down at the putting green in the summer. And Edulis at the botanic garden.
Anywhere else will have someone with tattoos standing outside and is best avoided.
The town is waiting for some Rick Stein type to set up here and really put us on the map. We had hopes for Thompson when he had the Michelin star at the Hamborough, but he went off to set up his own place in Newport and now serves Beetroot froth to the masses (of mostly wealthy grockles from Barnes and the like)
I found Thompson's a bit disappointing. My favourite was Dan's Kitchen, but Dan sold up last year, another Royal Ventnor Hotel alumni.
I haven't been to the Royal for some years, since a family wedding there.
Clearly you are not a beetroot froth man, then. It isn’t for everyone
It was quite good, but not as memorable the price!
A guilty secret: We are rather fond of Fox's in Bembridge. Many happy memories of Sunday Lunch there, when grandma used to treat us. Mainstream meat and two veg in the classic English style, but very well done.
On the island other good places are the Seaview Hotel, the restaurant down on the front at Totland Bay, the Pointer Inn at Newchurch, the New Inn at Shalfleet (under new management) and that beachside seafood place in Bembridge whose name escapes me. And of course the posh hotel in Yarmouth.
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
Yes, but it is a great location, always packed.
Would you believe that in the early ‘80s what is now the Spyglass was a derelict squat and notorious drugs den?
Yes, I remember it being like that. My uncle used to live on Steep Hill, and the seafront has certainly picked up since then.
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
What's your favourite place in Ventnor?
Sitting at the Beach Shack in March or October enjoying Andy’s wife’s crab soup and a white wine takes some beating. Andy used to be restaurant manager on the QE2 then manager of the Royal Hotel before opting for the quiet life by the beach. The Boathouse at Steephill does a mean seafood platter but charges through the nose for it. The food at the Royal Hotel is surprisingly good if you overlook the collection of eccentric staff they employ to serve it to you. Of local pubs, the Buddle at Niton knocks the Spyglass out of the park. Our local Indian Red Chilli isn’t bad, the Chinese just bog standard. On the Esplanade the Smoking Lobster is by far the best; the Met Bar not bad for a quick snack. And of course there’s always a cup of tea and a Kipling cake down at the putting green in the summer. And Edulis at the botanic garden.
Anywhere else will have someone with tattoos standing outside and is best avoided.
The town is waiting for some Rick Stein type to set up here and really put us on the map. We had hopes for Thompson when he had the Michelin star at the Hamborough, but he went off to set up his own place in Newport and now serves Beetroot froth to the masses (of mostly wealthy grockles from Barnes and the like)
I found Thompson's a bit disappointing. My favourite was Dan's Kitchen, but Dan sold up last year, another Royal Ventnor Hotel alumni.
I haven't been to the Royal for some years, since a family wedding there.
Clearly you are not a beetroot froth man, then. It isn’t for everyone
It was quite good, but not as memorable the price!
A guilty secret: We are rather fond of Fox's in Bembridge. Many happy memories of Sunday Lunch there, when grandma used to treat us. Mainstream meat and two veg in the classic English style, but very well done.
On the island other good places are the Seaview Hotel, the restaurant down on the front at Totland Bay, the Pointer Inn at Newchurch, the New Inn at Shalfleet (under new management) and that beachside seafood place in Bembridge whose name escapes me.
Just 0.5% of the available hospital beds in the UK are taken by Covid positive patients today and that figure is decreasing all the time. The more people find out just how unaffected the NHS is now by Covid the more people will attend marches like this. Our lives and futures are still being massively affected by a disease which is becoming largely irrelevant for hospitals.
I am sure that you will find many like-minded souls. Have a good day out.
Hey let’s just keep the 15 million on the waiting list just in case Covid comes back as it’s the only illness that matters. We have to protect against Covid at all costs. If that means thousands die of other illnesses that does not matter, as long as it is not a Covid death.
The article is about the hidden waiters on the follow up list. They have been ignored for years as there have been no targets for follow ups, just new patients since the Milburn reforms nearly two decades ago.
Normal work is going on, just slowed down a bit because of Covid-19, but we cannot ignore the protocols set out by NICE, as our patients are some of the highest risk groups.
What about the 'hidden wasters' who work for NHS who don't give a toss about patient welfare but who draw huge salaries and fat pensions paid for by the taxpayers???
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
What's your favourite place in Ventnor?
Sitting at the Beach Shack in March or October enjoying Andy’s wife’s crab soup and a white wine takes some beating. Andy used to be restaurant manager on the QE2 then manager of the Royal Hotel before opting for the quiet life by the beach. The Boathouse at Steephill does a mean seafood platter but charges through the nose for it. The food at the Royal Hotel is surprisingly good if you overlook the collection of eccentric staff they employ to serve it to you. Of local pubs, the Buddle at Niton knocks the Spyglass out of the park. Our local Indian Red Chilli isn’t bad, the Chinese just bog standard. On the Esplanade the Smoking Lobster is by far the best; the Met Bar not bad for a quick snack. And of course there’s always a cup of tea and a Kipling cake down at the putting green in the summer. And Edulis at the botanic garden.
Anywhere else will have someone with tattoos standing outside and is best avoided.
The town is waiting for some Rick Stein type to set up here and really put us on the map. We had hopes for Thompson when he had the Michelin star at the Hamborough, but he went off to set up his own place in Newport and now serves Beetroot froth to the masses (of mostly wealthy grockles from Barnes and the like)
I found Thompson's a bit disappointing. My favourite was Dan's Kitchen, but Dan sold up last year, another Royal Ventnor Hotel alumni.
I haven't been to the Royal for some years, since a family wedding there.
Clearly you are not a beetroot froth man, then. It isn’t for everyone
It was quite good, but not as memorable the price!
A guilty secret: We are rather fond of Fox's in Bembridge. Many happy memories of Sunday Lunch there, when grandma used to treat us. Mainstream meat and two veg in the classic English style, but very well done.
On the island other good places are the Seaview Hotel, the restaurant down on the front at Totland Bay, the Pointer Inn at Newchurch, the New Inn at Shalfleet (under new management) and that beachside seafood place in Bembridge whose name escapes me.
The Crab and Lobster?
Not what I am thinking of. The C&L is the regular for visiting pilots; I often used to lunch there on a day trip from Stapleford when I had my PPL. But I was warned off there by locals a few years ago, who said that new management were dreadful and the kitchen a health hazard. But I believe very recently it may have changed hands again?
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
What's your favourite place in Ventnor?
Sitting at the Beach Shack in March or October enjoying Andy’s wife’s crab soup and a white wine takes some beating. Andy used to be restaurant manager on the QE2 then manager of the Royal Hotel before opting for the quiet life by the beach. The Boathouse at Steephill does a mean seafood platter but charges through the nose for it. The food at the Royal Hotel is surprisingly good if you overlook the collection of eccentric staff they employ to serve it to you. Of local pubs, the Buddle at Niton knocks the Spyglass out of the park. Our local Indian Red Chilli isn’t bad, the Chinese just bog standard. On the Esplanade the Smoking Lobster is by far the best; the Met Bar not bad for a quick snack. And of course there’s always a cup of tea and a Kipling cake down at the putting green in the summer. And Edulis at the botanic garden.
Anywhere else will have someone with tattoos standing outside and is best avoided.
The town is waiting for some Rick Stein type to set up here and really put us on the map. We had hopes for Thompson when he had the Michelin star at the Hamborough, but he went off to set up his own place in Newport and now serves Beetroot froth to the masses (of mostly wealthy grockles from Barnes and the like)
I found Thompson's a bit disappointing. My favourite was Dan's Kitchen, but Dan sold up last year, another Royal Ventnor Hotel alumni.
I haven't been to the Royal for some years, since a family wedding there.
Clearly you are not a beetroot froth man, then. It isn’t for everyone
It was quite good, but not as memorable the price!
A guilty secret: We are rather fond of Fox's in Bembridge. Many happy memories of Sunday Lunch there, when grandma used to treat us. Mainstream meat and two veg in the classic English style, but very well done.
On the island other good places are the Seaview Hotel, the restaurant down on the front at Totland Bay, the Pointer Inn at Newchurch, the New Inn at Shalfleet (under new management) and that beachside seafood place in Bembridge whose name escapes me.
The Crab and Lobster?
Not what I am thinking of. The C&L is the regular for visiting pilots; I often used to lunch there on a day trip from Stapleford when I had my PPL. But I was warned off there by locals a few years ago, who said that new management were dreadful and the kitchen a health hazard. But I believe very recently it may have changed hands again?
I haven't been for a while, but I have heard disappointing feedback too.
Apart from Fox's, I don't expect to be eating out again this week, everywhere is a bit packed.
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
What's your favourite place in Ventnor?
Sitting at the Beach Shack in March or October enjoying Andy’s wife’s crab soup and a white wine takes some beating. Andy used to be restaurant manager on the QE2 then manager of the Royal Hotel before opting for the quiet life by the beach. The Boathouse at Steephill does a mean seafood platter but charges through the nose for it. The food at the Royal Hotel is surprisingly good if you overlook the collection of eccentric staff they employ to serve it to you. Of local pubs, the Buddle at Niton knocks the Spyglass out of the park. Our local Indian Red Chilli isn’t bad, the Chinese just bog standard. On the Esplanade the Smoking Lobster is by far the best; the Met Bar not bad for a quick snack. And of course there’s always a cup of tea and a Kipling cake down at the putting green in the summer. And Edulis at the botanic garden.
Anywhere else will have someone with tattoos standing outside and is best avoided.
The town is waiting for some Rick Stein type to set up here and really put us on the map. We had hopes for Thompson when he had the Michelin star at the Hamborough, but he went off to set up his own place in Newport and now serves Beetroot froth to the masses (of mostly wealthy grockles from Barnes and the like)
I found Thompson's a bit disappointing. My favourite was Dan's Kitchen, but Dan sold up last year, another Royal Ventnor Hotel alumni.
I haven't been to the Royal for some years, since a family wedding there.
Clearly you are not a beetroot froth man, then. It isn’t for everyone
It was quite good, but not as memorable the price!
A guilty secret: We are rather fond of Fox's in Bembridge. Many happy memories of Sunday Lunch there, when grandma used to treat us. Mainstream meat and two veg in the classic English style, but very well done.
On the island other good places are the Seaview Hotel, the restaurant down on the front at Totland Bay, the Pointer Inn at Newchurch, the New Inn at Shalfleet (under new management) and that beachside seafood place in Bembridge whose name escapes me.
The Crab and Lobster?
Not what I am thinking of. The C&L is the regular for visiting pilots; I often used to lunch there on a day trip from Stapleford when I had my PPL. But I was warned off there by locals a few years ago, who said that new management were dreadful and the kitchen a health hazard. But I believe very recently it may have changed hands again?
I haven't been for a while, but I have heard disappointing feedback too.
Apart from Fox's, I don't expect to be eating out again this week, everywhere is a bit packed.
The Rishi discounts are over now luv. You will need to pay the full price on your well earned NHS salary
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
You need to get out more, there is dining beyond Wetherspoons. Most of those fish were on the menu today at "Baywatch on the Beach" at St Helens, where I lunched. I know of several places in Ventnor that serve excellent local seafood, and other local produce.
There is no Wetherspoons in Ventnor. I've walked around and through the island many times and I bet I know it better than you.
Aside from the barely concealed snobbery I didn't say there was nowhere that sold such produce for diners I was pointing out there was no mass market for it here like there is in Spain- and that was part of the problem.
But you know that.
Try the Spyglass Inn. Local seafood is a speciality.
They take some crab, but mostly serve up bog standard pub food to the tourists, mostly via the microwave.
What's your favourite place in Ventnor?
Sitting at the Beach Shack in March or October enjoying Andy’s wife’s crab soup and a white wine takes some beating. Andy used to be restaurant manager on the QE2 then manager of the Royal Hotel before opting for the quiet life by the beach. The Boathouse at Steephill does a mean seafood platter but charges through the nose for it. The food at the Royal Hotel is surprisingly good if you overlook the collection of eccentric staff they employ to serve it to you. Of local pubs, the Buddle at Niton knocks the Spyglass out of the park. Our local Indian Red Chilli isn’t bad, the Chinese just bog standard. On the Esplanade the Smoking Lobster is by far the best; the Met Bar not bad for a quick snack. And of course there’s always a cup of tea and a Kipling cake down at the putting green in the summer. And Edulis at the botanic garden.
Anywhere else will have someone with tattoos standing outside and is best avoided.
The town is waiting for some Rick Stein type to set up here and really put us on the map. We had hopes for Thompson when he had the Michelin star at the Hamborough, but he went off to set up his own place in Newport and now serves Beetroot froth to the masses (of mostly wealthy grockles from Barnes and the like)
I found Thompson's a bit disappointing. My favourite was Dan's Kitchen, but Dan sold up last year, another Royal Ventnor Hotel alumni.
I haven't been to the Royal for some years, since a family wedding there.
Clearly you are not a beetroot froth man, then. It isn’t for everyone
It was quite good, but not as memorable the price!
A guilty secret: We are rather fond of Fox's in Bembridge. Many happy memories of Sunday Lunch there, when grandma used to treat us. Mainstream meat and two veg in the classic English style, but very well done.
On the island other good places are the Seaview Hotel, the restaurant down on the front at Totland Bay, the Pointer Inn at Newchurch, the New Inn at Shalfleet (under new management) and that beachside seafood place in Bembridge whose name escapes me.
The Crab and Lobster?
Not what I am thinking of. The C&L is the regular for visiting pilots; I often used to lunch there on a day trip from Stapleford when I had my PPL. But I was warned off there by locals a few years ago, who said that new management were dreadful and the kitchen a health hazard. But I believe very recently it may have changed hands again?
I haven't been for a while, but I have heard disappointing feedback too.
Apart from Fox's, I don't expect to be eating out again this week, everywhere is a bit packed.
The Rishi discounts are over now luv. You will need to pay the full price on your well earned NHS salary
I think they still apply Monday, but I have not partaken. I would rather be in a less crowded place that isn't participating. London rd in Leicester was crazy last week, within the "lockdown area".
Once again I miss London's great night life scene. 11pm, 5 pints and a Rishi pizza into the night and we have nowhere to go so we're back home. Even Nikki's in Shoreditch was closed. That's how bad things have become in London.
Once again I miss London's great night life scene. 11pm, 5 pints and a Rishi pizza into the night and we have nowhere to go so we're back home. Even Nikki's in Shoreditch was closed. That's how bad things have become in London.
Once again I miss London's great night life scene. 11pm, 5 pints and a Rishi pizza into the night and we have nowhere to go so we're back home. Even Nikki's in Shoreditch was closed. That's how bad things have become in London.
To be fair, if you want to work the next morning, you would be well advised to stop at five points. (Or even, dare I say it, a pint or two before.)
Once again I miss London's great night life scene. 11pm, 5 pints and a Rishi pizza into the night and we have nowhere to go so we're back home. Even Nikki's in Shoreditch was closed. That's how bad things have become in London.
PB advice is just move mate, you know that
Indeed, that's not going to make the nightlife any better though. It's really getting to me now. I didn't realise how much I missed it until we had that night in the piazza in Italy dancing away to cheesy 80s and 90s music. If the government are going to extend support then they need to do it for nightlife, when the vaccine comes we need to have some way to dance our troubles away. I fear the UK is going to become an incredibly dull country like the scandi nations.
Once again I miss London's great night life scene. 11pm, 5 pints and a Rishi pizza into the night and we have nowhere to go so we're back home. Even Nikki's in Shoreditch was closed. That's how bad things have become in London.
PB advice is just move mate, you know that
Indeed, that's not going to make the nightlife any better though. It's really getting to me now. I didn't realise how much I missed it until we had that night in the piazza in Italy dancing away to cheesy 80s and 90s music. If the government are going to extend support then they need to do it for nightlife, when the vaccine comes we need to have some way to dance our troubles away. I fear the UK is going to become an incredibly dull country like the scandi nations.
Perhaps a rousing chorus of Rule Britania might cheer you up.
Once again I miss London's great night life scene. 11pm, 5 pints and a Rishi pizza into the night and we have nowhere to go so we're back home. Even Nikki's in Shoreditch was closed. That's how bad things have become in London.
To be fair, if you want to work the next morning, you would be well advised to stop at five points. (Or even, dare I say it, a pint or two before.)
I'm still just about able to have a midweek night out and make it into the office for 10am. I have to say one of the great things about being a senior is that no one questions anything about what I do any more. The fact that my team are about 3 steps ahead of the BoE on forecasting also helps...
Once again I miss London's great night life scene. 11pm, 5 pints and a Rishi pizza into the night and we have nowhere to go so we're back home. Even Nikki's in Shoreditch was closed. That's how bad things have become in London.
To be fair, if you want to work the next morning, you would be well advised to stop at five points. (Or even, dare I say it, a pint or two before.)
I'm still just about able to have a midweek night out and make it into the office for 10am. I have to say one of the great things about being a senior is that no one questions anything about what I do any more. The fact that my team are about 3 steps ahead of the BoE on forecasting also helps...
Once again I miss London's great night life scene. 11pm, 5 pints and a Rishi pizza into the night and we have nowhere to go so we're back home. Even Nikki's in Shoreditch was closed. That's how bad things have become in London.
To be fair, if you want to work the next morning, you would be well advised to stop at five points. (Or even, dare I say it, a pint or two before.)
I'm still just about able to have a midweek night out and make it into the office for 10am. I have to say one of the great things about being a senior is that no one questions anything about what I do any more. The fact that my team are about 3 steps ahead of the BoE on forecasting also helps...
But that's also - simply - a Trump win. The way it's structured means that states get a single vote in the House of Representatives. Smaller states do better. And therefore we see a Trump Presidency.
*But*!
The Vice Presidency is chosen in the Senate. Given that:
The Republicans will lose Maine and Colorado, will probably lose Arizona, and could easily lose in Iowa, Georgia or one or two others, then you could have a situation where the Vice President is selected by the Democrats. And the President by the Republicans.
But that's also - simply - a Trump win. The way it's structured means that states get a single vote in the House of Representatives. Smaller states do better. And therefore we see a Trump Presidency.
*But*!
The Vice Presidency is chosen in the Senate. Given that:
The Republicans will lose Maine and Colorado, will probably lose Arizona, and could easily lose in Iowa, Georgia or one or two others, then you could have a situation where the Vice President is selected by the Democrats. And the President by the Republicans.
That'd be fun.
A Trump-Harris administration would certainly be amusing
But that's also - simply - a Trump win. The way it's structured means that states get a single vote in the House of Representatives. Smaller states do better. And therefore we see a Trump Presidency.
*But*!
The Vice Presidency is chosen in the Senate. Given that:
The Republicans will lose Maine and Colorado, will probably lose Arizona, and could easily lose in Iowa, Georgia or one or two others, then you could have a situation where the Vice President is selected by the Democrats. And the President by the Republicans.
That'd be fun.
That would be a dilemma for the House GOP, because if they picked anyone except Trump their base would lynch them, but if they picked Trump he would promptly be impeached, handing power over to the VP...
But that's also - simply - a Trump win. The way it's structured means that states get a single vote in the House of Representatives. Smaller states do better. And therefore we see a Trump Presidency.
*But*!
The Vice Presidency is chosen in the Senate. Given that:
The Republicans will lose Maine and Colorado, will probably lose Arizona, and could easily lose in Iowa, Georgia or one or two others, then you could have a situation where the Vice President is selected by the Democrats. And the President by the Republicans.
That'd be fun.
A Trump-Harris administration would certainly be amusing
It has been claimed there is not much love lost between Trump and Pence. If so, then from the President's point of view, accepting Harris is much the same as accepting Pence: just the price that must be paid to secure the White House. Remember for Trump, everything's a deal. This makes it very hard to know what he actually believes, except for not liking China.
But that's also - simply - a Trump win. The way it's structured means that states get a single vote in the House of Representatives. Smaller states do better. And therefore we see a Trump Presidency.
*But*!
The Vice Presidency is chosen in the Senate. Given that:
The Republicans will lose Maine and Colorado, will probably lose Arizona, and could easily lose in Iowa, Georgia or one or two others, then you could have a situation where the Vice President is selected by the Democrats. And the President by the Republicans.
That'd be fun.
The worrying thing is that with America as divided as it is right now if that happened I would be far from surprised if either Trump or Harris faced a serious threat on their life within the 4 years.
This is a great example of the epic shittiness of the US Constitution. Why on earth would you pick an *even number* of electoral votes? I mean I can't even
But that's also - simply - a Trump win. The way it's structured means that states get a single vote in the House of Representatives. Smaller states do better. And therefore we see a Trump Presidency.
*But*!
The Vice Presidency is chosen in the Senate. Given that:
The Republicans will lose Maine and Colorado, will probably lose Arizona, and could easily lose in Iowa, Georgia or one or two others, then you could have a situation where the Vice President is selected by the Democrats. And the President by the Republicans.
That'd be fun.
A Trump-Harris administration would certainly be amusing
It would indeed.
Maybe they'd find love, and unite the country between them.
But that's also - simply - a Trump win. The way it's structured means that states get a single vote in the House of Representatives. Smaller states do better. And therefore we see a Trump Presidency.
*But*!
The Vice Presidency is chosen in the Senate. Given that:
The Republicans will lose Maine and Colorado, will probably lose Arizona, and could easily lose in Iowa, Georgia or one or two others, then you could have a situation where the Vice President is selected by the Democrats. And the President by the Republicans.
That'd be fun.
The worrying thing is that with America as divided as it is right now if that happened I would be far from surprised if either Trump or Harris faced a serious threat on their life within the 4 years.
What would be really interesting would be if...
It was 50:50 in the Senate, and Lisa Mukowski decided she didn't like Pence.
This is a great example of the epic shittiness of the US Constitution. Why on earth would you pick an *even number* of electoral votes? I mean I can't even
They didn't know it'd be a two party system. Indeed, the times when a contingent election has decided it haven't been two-way fights.
Also, 538 isn't in the constitution as such - its just the number if senators plus congressmen. It's only happened to be 538 since 1964 due to redistricting, and has often been an odd number.
But that's also - simply - a Trump win. The way it's structured means that states get a single vote in the House of Representatives. Smaller states do better. And therefore we see a Trump Presidency.
*But*!
The Vice Presidency is chosen in the Senate. Given that:
The Republicans will lose Maine and Colorado, will probably lose Arizona, and could easily lose in Iowa, Georgia or one or two others, then you could have a situation where the Vice President is selected by the Democrats. And the President by the Republicans.
That'd be fun.
A Trump-Harris administration would certainly be amusing
I reckon she'd be absolutely charming, and something of a feeder, insisting on dialling out for McDonalds, KFC, deep fried lard - whatever the big man wanted, any time if day or night. Anything to please Don - no ulterior motive at all.
But that's also - simply - a Trump win. The way it's structured means that states get a single vote in the House of Representatives. Smaller states do better. And therefore we see a Trump Presidency.
*But*!
The Vice Presidency is chosen in the Senate. Given that:
The Republicans will lose Maine and Colorado, will probably lose Arizona, and could easily lose in Iowa, Georgia or one or two others, then you could have a situation where the Vice President is selected by the Democrats. And the President by the Republicans.
That'd be fun.
A Trump-Harris administration would certainly be amusing
I reckon she'd be absolutely charming, and something of a feeder, insisting on dialling out for McDonalds, KFC, deep fried lard - whatever the big man wanted, any time if day or night. Anything to please Don - no ulterior motive at all.
And she'd be forever bringing his fans into the White House to meet him, never mind the whole corona hoax...
Is everybody watching the modellers food fight? idk, I think this guy has a point, although it might be that Silver's model was kind of rubbish last time, and G Elliott Morris's model is extra rubbish this time.
Is everybody watching the modellers food fight? idk, I think this guy has a point, although it might be that Silver's model was kind of rubbish last time, and G Elliott Morris's model is extra rubbish this time.
A few incredibly silly arguments are being made for why Trump almost has it in the bag, or it's wide open, such as that Biden may be a long way ahead in the national polls but he's not so far ahead in the battlefield states (!); or resting on the hidden premise that you can expect graphs to follow their 2016 tracks between August and November in 2020, without regard to the fact that this time there's an incumbent who has a four-year record in office and who is bouncing up and down saying he's the greatest. I've also seen the argument that high unemployment is the nasty virus's fault rather than Trump's. But even if that were true, so what? Many things for which leaders get voted out can be described as the result of unfortunate circumstances that they couldn't have been expected to predict or prevent. Some apparently intelligent people are making themselves look like fools.
It needs political bilateral discussion to unblock. In other words, leadership.
That means Boris has to get off his arse, do some work and pick up the phones.
Don't expect him to bother until September.
I should hope not. This should not be done until the last possible minute, only then will the EU be prepared to compromise.
Do you think they might be thinking the same thing?
Of course they are, which is why nothing is being achieved.
Under the last disastrous Government Roberts and May kept making compromise after compromise in order to try to "make progress" and the result was that the EU literally just laughed at her. Boris took over and achieved a more substantial and acceptable compromise with weeks to go than she'd managed in years.
Any compromises made now will be banked and then used as the starting point when the real negotiations occur.
The compromise was a border down the Irish sea, an offer predecessor was offered an rejected. I don't see why the real negotiations won't end up with a similar outcome. Boris isn't interested in the material outcome only it's framing.
You may turn out to be right, but I reckon there's really only so much that the Government will actually be willing to give away. It can't roll over and effectively sign up to continuity CFP, because the fishing issue is too totemic and sensitive politically. Not quite on the same level as immigration, but only limited compromise is possible and the EU ain't interested in compromise. And it can only go so far on the LPF provisions as well without tying itself in knots in its trade negotiations with the rest of the world.
Johnson signed up to a deal on Northern Ireland because the province returns no Tory MPs, and it isn't strategically valuable whereas good relations with the US are. It doesn't necessarily follow that he'll be willing to sign up to any old rubbish.
Fishing is one of these things where there is no really good answer, because we don't really know exactly what we want.
Only British fishermen can fish in UK waters... Does that mean only UK registered boats, or boats owned by UK individuals or companies? Does this include vessel tonnage limits? (If so, are we going to impose tariffs on imported fish so that our fishermen aren't out-competed by those with larger vessels and lower costs) What about boats wet leased from foreign firms? Is there a requirement to unload fish in the UK?
It's very hard to completely remove foreigners from one section of your economy, and trade deals we sign here (not just with the EU) limit our autonomy. Can British firms own farmland or oil drilling rights in Canada? If so, why can't Canadian firms own UK fishing licenses?
We don't eat our own fish. We don't like it.
I went to the fishery at Ventnor on the isle of wight. Fresh sea bass, plaice, skate, lobster, crab, mussels and prawns. And more I can't remember.
How much of that was sold in the local restaurants?
Virtually nil, except cod for fish & chips which weren't even caught there. There were plenty of places selling pizza, pasta and chips though.
You wouldn't get that in Spain. Restaurants would be filled with fresh seafood and diners eating it.
As long as we don't eat our own fish most of it is going to be exported and eaten by foreigners.
Want to support British fisherman? Start going to your local fishmonger and buying British fish twice a week - not just the chippy.
What the Blakes don’t sell from their morning catch down at the Haven gets driven on the night ferry to Lymington and then roaded overnight to the morning fish market at Brixham for sale the next day. They tell me a lot of it is flown that afternoon to Dubai, where apparently there is a healthy market for British fish and shellfish.
To be fair, though, we have a fair few places selling the local catch. Smoking Lobster on the Esplanade. Beach Hut, Beach Shack and Crabshed down at Steephill. And of course the Royal Hotel, as well as Thompson’s at Newport.
Yep, one famous hotel seafood restaurant over here gets a crate of fish flown from London every day, to add to the locally-caught fare.
Hundreds of hotels and restaurants in the Gulf region get their fish from London.
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If we end up with a no deal scenario – and it is possible – the Europeans stand to lose a large and very profitable marketplace, namely the United Kingdom.
They stand to lose access to the most efficient financial market in the world, the City, which provides brilliantly low cost and low risk finance to all of their industries. They think that is punishing us, but they will really punish themselves if we are smart about it.
They stand to lose any access to British fisheries, rather than the sensible and civilised arrangements that would apply once they accept agreed British control of our waters.
They stand to lose the funding that was agreed under the Withdrawal Agreement, which was agreed on the presumption that we would get a trade deal, a political promise that the EU is failing to keep.
If we end up with a no deal scenario – and it is possible – the Europeans stand to lose a large and very profitable marketplace, namely the United Kingdom.
Without a reasonable trade deal there is nothing to stop the United Kingdom repudiating the whole agreement, and simply maintaining the parts that we as a civilised nation would of course apply – including for example the protection of the rights of European Citizens.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12489673/last-three-weeks-of-brexit-talks-crucial-deal/
The only candidate I can find with a higher August polling average in the last fifty years in Reagan in '84.
Anywhere else will have someone with tattoos standing outside and is best avoided.
The town is waiting for some Rick Stein type to set up here and really put us on the map. We had hopes for Thompson when he had the Michelin star at the Hamborough, but he went off to set up his own place in Newport and now serves Beetroot froth to the masses (of mostly wealthy grockles from Barnes and the like)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/26/shock-an-aw-us-teenager-wrote-huge-slice-of-scots-wikipedia
I haven't been to the Royal for some years, since a family wedding there.
Normal work is going on, just slowed down a bit because of Covid-19, but we cannot ignore the protocols set out by NICE, as our patients are some of the highest risk groups.
I hate the man but I hate to see anyone in pain or distress.
A guilty secret: We are rather fond of Fox's in Bembridge. Many happy memories of Sunday Lunch there, when grandma used to treat us. Mainstream meat and two veg in the classic English style, but very well done.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/26/liberal-democrats-set-to-elect-fourth-leader-in-five-years
Apart from Fox's, I don't expect to be eating out again this week, everywhere is a bit packed.
CON will stand firm pro Britain. Rule Britannia!
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/warning-restaurants-shut-down-after-4437038
But that's also - simply - a Trump win. The way it's structured means that states get a single vote in the House of Representatives. Smaller states do better. And therefore we see a Trump Presidency.
*But*!
The Vice Presidency is chosen in the Senate. Given that:
The Republicans will lose Maine and Colorado, will probably lose Arizona, and could easily lose in Iowa, Georgia or one or two others, then you could have a situation where the Vice President is selected by the Democrats. And the President by the Republicans.
That'd be fun.
Edit: Hang on, no, they need 2/3
Maybe they'd find love, and unite the country between them.
It was 50:50 in the Senate, and Lisa Mukowski decided she didn't like Pence.
Also, 538 isn't in the constitution as such - its just the number if senators plus congressmen. It's only happened to be 538 since 1964 due to redistricting, and has often been an odd number.
Biden 1.86 / 1.87
Trump 2.2 / 2.22
That's a 45.5% implied chance.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.128151441
https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1298797791523868673
Also, events. Who knows what will happen between now and November.
To get above result, Biden would have to win Maine District 2 which Trump won by 10.3% in 2016.
Highly unlikely Biden gets over 5% swing to win Maine District 2 but doesn't win WI, FL or AZ.
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