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BREAKING: Gavin Williamson to perform a full U-turn and award teachers' predicted grades for both A-levels and GCSEs. This will be announced at 4pm #alevels2020 #alevels #gcses2020 #gcseresults #exams
I'm not following @TSE in on his bet against Gavin Williamson. Look at Hancock and PHE. This qualifications row is perfect cover for Dominic Cummings to smash Ofqual and the Department for Education, taking power to Number 10 and leaving the hapless Williamson as impotent placeman and mouthpiece.
I'm not following @TSE in on his bet against Gavin Williamson. Look at Hancock and PHE. This qualifications row is perfect cover for Dominic Cummings to smash Ofqual and the Department for Education, taking power to Number 10 and leaving the hapless Williamson as impotent placeman and mouthpiece.
It was purposely enigmatic to allow me to claim victory in either circumstances.
But really I think Williamson will go in the next reshuffle, reportedly next month, he's been forced into a level of u-turn that Hancock hasn't had to make.
Due to the very low numbers I doubt there is much weekend effect anymore
The numbers to track are New infections and hospitalizations, followed bi icu occupancy, deaths are a lagging indicator.
Those are flat, aren't they?
The hospital numbers have been trending downwards more-or-less continuously since mid-April. I'm much more interested to see the latest update on these than I am the (very low) death figures.
Cases identified by positive test have now been creeping steadily upwards for six weeks, but there's still no sign yet of this feeding through into more stress on the healthcare system. Could be that transmission of the virus is very low amongst the elderly, that more and better targeted testing is picking up a larger proportion of all cases presently in circulation, or down to a combination of both factors.
@Cyclefree asks in the header about degree exams. Oxford anecdotes I have heard are that at least some finals took place online; some covering only parts of the syllabus, others all of it.
I'm not following @TSE in on his bet against Gavin Williamson. Look at Hancock and PHE. This qualifications row is perfect cover for Dominic Cummings to smash Ofqual and the Department for Education, taking power to Number 10 and leaving the hapless Williamson as impotent placeman and mouthpiece.
It was purposely enigmatic to allow me to claim victory in either circumstances.
But really I think Williamson will go in the next reshuffle, reportedly next month, he's been forced into a level of u-turn that Hancock hasn't had to make.
I'm not following @TSE in on his bet against Gavin Williamson. Look at Hancock and PHE. This qualifications row is perfect cover for Dominic Cummings to smash Ofqual and the Department for Education, taking power to Number 10 and leaving the hapless Williamson as impotent placeman and mouthpiece.
"Vicious when he's cornered" "Knows where the bodies are buried" "Got Johnson the leadership" - all things I have read in the last 48 hours. So I agree with you.
In five years they deserve to lose if this carries on.
You talking about the Welsh, Scottish, NI or UK government? All have followed the same path.
How many incompetent decisions have the Tories made in the last two months alone?
I don't know. They've muddled their way through the worst pandemic in a century quite well I think and not been too stubborn to change course when mistakes are made.
Due to the very low numbers I doubt there is much weekend effect anymore
The numbers to track are New infections and hospitalizations, followed bi icu occupancy, deaths are a lagging indicator.
Those are flat, aren't they?
The hospital numbers have been trending downwards more-or-less continuously since mid-April. I'm much more interested to see the latest update on these than I am the (very low) death figures.
Cases identified by positive test have now been creeping steadily upwards for six weeks, but there's still no sign yet of this feeding through into more stress on the healthcare system. Could be that transmission of the virus is very low amongst the elderly, that more and better targeted testing is picking up a larger proportion of all cases presently in circulation, or down to a combination of both factors.
This is a very intersting video on where we are with the Pandemic
Funny as the impending U-turn is, they are replacing absolute chaos with absolute chaos. Student doesn't get required grades, gets told to do one by their universities. Unless said unis have failed to fill their places then said student still isn't getting in.
Unless the numbers not coming in from China / deferring a year to sit out the pox are enough to make this work. Which just makes for even more uncertainty. Anyway, we expected nothing less. We know the sacked liar is safe in his job as Frank Spencer impersonator because his boss has been sacked twice for lying which makes his sacked once for lying hardly a sacking offence.
In a few weeks the schools attempt to send everyone back full time just as the pox resurgence gets into full swing. Happily Mr Spencer will have proven himself in this crisis to be a bastion of calm and a visionary planner so absolutely nothing can go wrong.
In five years they deserve to lose if this carries on.
You talking about the Welsh, Scottish, NI or UK government? All have followed the same path.
How many incompetent decisions have the Tories made in the last two months alone?
I don't know. They've muddled their way through the worst pandemic in a century quite well I think and not been too stubborn to change course when mistakes are made.
Seems to be something funny happening on the banner....
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@rcs1000 is on the case. Or at least, the case is on @rcs1000's to do list. The banner was altered by a friendly hacker to demonstrate that the site is still vulnerable after being hacked and rebuilt a week or so ago.
Funny as the impending U-turn is, they are replacing absolute chaos with absolute chaos. Student doesn't get required grades, gets told to do one by their universities. Unless said unis have failed to fill their places then said student still isn't getting in.
Unless the numbers not coming in from China / deferring a year to sit out the pox are enough to make this work. Which just makes for even more uncertainty. Anyway, we expected nothing less. We know the sacked liar is safe in his job as Frank Spencer impersonator because his boss has been sacked twice for lying which makes his sacked once for lying hardly a sacking offence.
In a few weeks the schools attempt to send everyone back full time just as the pox resurgence gets into full swing. Happily Mr Spencer will have proven himself in this crisis to be a bastion of calm and a visionary planner so absolutely nothing can go wrong.
The only upside for Williamson is that Headteachers cannot use the excuse of exam appeals to explain why schools aren't open on September 1st
I do wonder what plague of frogs will descend next week to make that milestone impossible,
In five years they deserve to lose if this carries on.
You talking about the Welsh, Scottish, NI or UK government? All have followed the same path.
How many incompetent decisions have the Tories made in the last two months alone?
I don't know. They've muddled their way through the worst pandemic in a century quite well I think and not been too stubborn to change course when mistakes are made.
I don't know why I asked you to be honest.
Me neither. I've been criticising the government on this subject and calling for a u-turn consistently have I not?
Next thing they should do is lift the cap on domestic students going to the best universities. If that makes shit universities suffer then sucks to be them, free market. They should have been less shit.
Due to the very low numbers I doubt there is much weekend effect anymore
The numbers to track are New infections and hospitalizations, followed bi icu occupancy, deaths are a lagging indicator.
Those are flat, aren't they?
The hospital numbers have been trending downwards more-or-less continuously since mid-April. I'm much more interested to see the latest update on these than I am the (very low) death figures.
Cases identified by positive test have now been creeping steadily upwards for six weeks, but there's still no sign yet of this feeding through into more stress on the healthcare system. Could be that transmission of the virus is very low amongst the elderly, that more and better targeted testing is picking up a larger proportion of all cases presently in circulation, or down to a combination of both factors.
It seems to be a combination of -
- more testing is finding asymptomatic cases - the case incidence is rising, but the demographic infected has changed massively.
I'm not following @TSE in on his bet against Gavin Williamson. Look at Hancock and PHE. This qualifications row is perfect cover for Dominic Cummings to smash Ofqual and the Department for Education, taking power to Number 10 and leaving the hapless Williamson as impotent placeman and mouthpiece.
"Vicious when he's cornered" "Knows where the bodies are buried" "Got Johnson the leadership" - all things I have read in the last 48 hours. So I agree with you.
Shame he wasn't a bit more vicious when cornered with a suicidal exam policy.
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
Funny as the impending U-turn is, they are replacing absolute chaos with absolute chaos. Student doesn't get required grades, gets told to do one by their universities. Unless said unis have failed to fill their places then said student still isn't getting in.
Unless the numbers not coming in from China / deferring a year to sit out the pox are enough to make this work. Which just makes for even more uncertainty. Anyway, we expected nothing less. We know the sacked liar is safe in his job as Frank Spencer impersonator because his boss has been sacked twice for lying which makes his sacked once for lying hardly a sacking offence.
In a few weeks the schools attempt to send everyone back full time just as the pox resurgence gets into full swing. Happily Mr Spencer will have proven himself in this crisis to be a bastion of calm and a visionary planner so absolutely nothing can go wrong.
God knows what our Uni will do if the gov does allow backtrack. We are full, out of clearing and subject to a local cap due to the available housing. Gonna be fun, but as I've said already once today, above my pay grade...
In five years they deserve to lose if this carries on.
You talking about the Welsh, Scottish, NI or UK government? All have followed the same path.
How many incompetent decisions have the Tories made in the last two months alone?
I don't know. They've muddled their way through the worst pandemic in a century quite well I think and not been too stubborn to change course when mistakes are made.
I don't know why I asked you to be honest.
Me neither. I've been criticising the government on this subject and calling for a u-turn consistently have I not?
Next thing they should do is lift the cap on domestic students going to the best universities. If that makes shit universities suffer then sucks to be them, free market. They should have been less shit.
The third tier universities might be very good for all we know. The problem, as per the last thread, is employers discriminating against them. It is not as if the University of Lincoln teaches a different value of pi from Cambridge.
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
In five years they deserve to lose if this carries on.
You talking about the Welsh, Scottish, NI or UK government? All have followed the same path.
How many incompetent decisions have the Tories made in the last two months alone?
I don't know. They've muddled their way through the worst pandemic in a century quite well I think and not been too stubborn to change course when mistakes are made.
I don't know why I asked you to be honest.
Me neither. I've been criticising the government on this subject and calling for a u-turn consistently have I not?
Next thing they should do is lift the cap on domestic students going to the best universities. If that makes shit universities suffer then sucks to be them, free market. They should have been less shit.
The third tier universities might be very good for all we know. The problem, as per the last thread, is employers discriminating against them. It is not as if the University of Lincoln teaches a different value of pi from Cambridge.
In five years they deserve to lose if this carries on.
You talking about the Welsh, Scottish, NI or UK government? All have followed the same path.
How many incompetent decisions have the Tories made in the last two months alone?
I don't know. They've muddled their way through the worst pandemic in a century quite well I think and not been too stubborn to change course when mistakes are made.
I don't know why I asked you to be honest.
Me neither. I've been criticising the government on this subject and calling for a u-turn consistently have I not?
Next thing they should do is lift the cap on domestic students going to the best universities. If that makes shit universities suffer then sucks to be them, free market. They should have been less shit.
The third tier universities might be very good for all we know. The problem, as per the last thread, is employers discriminating against them. It is not as if the University of Lincoln teaches a different value of pi from Cambridge.
From personal experience of hiring people, the lower tier universities are lower tier for a reason.
Unless we want to go back to the heady days when people tried to claim that Southbank was equal to Cambridge.....
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
It ought to be a whole lot worse than that. In my opinion, not only should those who had offers get a place, but those who have done better than they might have expected to do last autumn should have as much right to places at top universities.
Seems to be something funny happening on the banner....
Palatial Betting!
@rcs1000 is on the case. Or at least, the case is on @rcs1000's to do list. The banner was altered by a friendly hacker to demonstrate that the site is still vulnerable after being hacked and rebuilt a week or so ago.
PB uses some interesting caching which means that stuff like that can disappear and reappear for a while, even once fixed
In five years they deserve to lose if this carries on.
You talking about the Welsh, Scottish, NI or UK government? All have followed the same path.
How many incompetent decisions have the Tories made in the last two months alone?
I don't know. They've muddled their way through the worst pandemic in a century quite well I think and not been too stubborn to change course when mistakes are made.
I don't know why I asked you to be honest.
Me neither. I've been criticising the government on this subject and calling for a u-turn consistently have I not?
Next thing they should do is lift the cap on domestic students going to the best universities. If that makes shit universities suffer then sucks to be them, free market. They should have been less shit.
The third tier universities might be very good for all we know. The problem, as per the last thread, is employers discriminating against them. It is not as if the University of Lincoln teaches a different value of pi from Cambridge.
From personal experience of hiring people, the lower tier universities are lower tier for a reason.
Unless we want to go back to the heady days when people tried to claim that Southbank was equal to Cambridge.....
Not in my experience, job dependant though I'm sure
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
@Cyclefree asks in the header about degree exams. Oxford anecdotes I have heard are that at least some finals took place online; some covering only parts of the syllabus, others all of it.
Having made a total u-turn and indeed capitulation, unleashing a second tidal of wave of shit onto the education system I expect the government to close ranks.
We did everything we could. We listed. We've made changes. The matter is closed. Move on. And for a few loyal frothers it will work. Suspect an awful lot of Tory parents won't forget this one in a hurry though - and thats before the September chaos of "go back to school or we fine you"
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
It just shows there is no easy option and that teachers have given very inflated expected grades.
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
It's almost as though the only solution to this mess is to make the students take some exams...
"+" performs a string concatenation in SQL. If your numbers are stored in the database as a character type (I've seen that done) then this could trip you up.
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
It ought to be a whole lot worse than that. In my opinion, not only should those who had offers get a place, but those who have done better than they might have expected to do last autumn should have as much right to places at top universities.
It's often said that Uni applications should be altered to be done AFTER results are known - now this year they could have had these results out weeks ago (if going on teachers predictions alone) giving the Unis then a much bigger window to assess applications that way... holding back the A level results to the 'normal' results day was very odd as there was no marking to be done and just reduced the window to sort things out before Uni decisions are needed...
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
It just shows there is no easy option and that teachers have given very inflated expected grades.
Absolutely. Its really the teachers fault if you think about it...
"+" performs a string concatenation in SQL. If your numbers are stored in the database as a character type (I've seen that done) then this could trip you up.
Javascript is the same but it's actually worse as you can end up with 4 (number) + 4 (string) = 8 but 4 (string)+ 4 (number) = 44.
And you never know as it will often seem intermittent.
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
It just shows there is no easy option and that teachers have given very inflated expected grades.
Absolutely. Its really the teachers fault if you think about it...
I think teachers probably inflate expected grades every year.
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
@Philip_Thompson spent all morning saying this isn't a problem - I'm really looking forward to his reply...
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
@Philip_Thompson spent all morning saying this isn't a problem - I'm really looking forward to his reply...
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
It just shows there is no easy option and that teachers have given very inflated expected grades.
It is more complicated than that, if teachers were predicting students' potential. If no exams are actually taken then normal underperformance by some students for reasons of random bad luck -- hay fever; granny's untimely death; revising the wrong topics -- will not do its normal job of getting the numbers down.
The monstrous unfairness this year is that the algorithm assigned that random bad luck to many students.
Due to the very low numbers I doubt there is much weekend effect anymore
The numbers to track are New infections and hospitalizations, followed bi icu occupancy, deaths are a lagging indicator.
Those are flat, aren't they?
The hospital numbers have been trending downwards more-or-less continuously since mid-April. I'm much more interested to see the latest update on these than I am the (very low) death figures.
Cases identified by positive test have now been creeping steadily upwards for six weeks, but there's still no sign yet of this feeding through into more stress on the healthcare system. Could be that transmission of the virus is very low amongst the elderly, that more and better targeted testing is picking up a larger proportion of all cases presently in circulation, or down to a combination of both factors.
It seems to be a combination of -
- more testing is finding asymptomatic cases - the case incidence is rising, but the demographic infected has changed massively.
Makes complete sense, as the product of what effectively amounts to a huge reduction in both the mean age and population density of the country. Biosecurity in care homes, voluntary self-isolation by much of the old and medically vulnerable population (and a good number of worried well on top of that,) and a huge and sustained collapse in commuting (reportedly, only 31% of London office workers are back at their desks, whereas in Paris, Madrid and Berlin the figure is 74%, 66% and 76% respectively.)
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
@Philip_Thompson spent all morning saying this isn't a problem - I'm really looking forward to his reply...
He will just deflect.
I know but once again it shows his inability to think beyond the immediate stage....
As with the few remaining Tory supporters on this forum he highlights the biggest issue this Government has - the inability to see beyond the immediately obvious and the immediate issue.
Due to the very low numbers I doubt there is much weekend effect anymore
The numbers to track are New infections and hospitalizations, followed bi icu occupancy, deaths are a lagging indicator.
Those are flat, aren't they?
The hospital numbers have been trending downwards more-or-less continuously since mid-April. I'm much more interested to see the latest update on these than I am the (very low) death figures.
Cases identified by positive test have now been creeping steadily upwards for six weeks, but there's still no sign yet of this feeding through into more stress on the healthcare system. Could be that transmission of the virus is very low amongst the elderly, that more and better targeted testing is picking up a larger proportion of all cases presently in circulation, or down to a combination of both factors.
It seems to be a combination of -
- more testing is finding asymptomatic cases - the case incidence is rising, but the demographic infected has changed massively.
Makes complete sense, as the product of what effectively amounts to a huge reduction in both the mean age and population density of the country. Biosecurity in care homes, voluntary self-isolation by much of the old and medically vulnerable population (and a good number of worried well on top of that,) and a huge and sustained collapse in commuting (reportedly, only 31% of London office workers are back at their desks, whereas in Paris, Madrid and Berlin the figure is 74%, 66% and 76% respectively.)
I thought they were all on holiday in our little seaside town with double it’s normal population. 😀
In five years they deserve to lose if this carries on.
You talking about the Welsh, Scottish, NI or UK government? All have followed the same path.
How many incompetent decisions have the Tories made in the last two months alone?
I don't know. They've muddled their way through the worst pandemic in a century quite well I think and not been too stubborn to change course when mistakes are made.
I don't know why I asked you to be honest.
Me neither. I've been criticising the government on this subject and calling for a u-turn consistently have I not?
Next thing they should do is lift the cap on domestic students going to the best universities. If that makes shit universities suffer then sucks to be them, free market. They should have been less shit.
The third tier universities might be very good for all we know. The problem, as per the last thread, is employers discriminating against them. It is not as if the University of Lincoln teaches a different value of pi from Cambridge.
From personal experience of hiring people, the lower tier universities are lower tier for a reason.
Unless we want to go back to the heady days when people tried to claim that Southbank was equal to Cambridge.....
Not in my experience, job dependant though I'm sure
So you are saying that Fenland Poly *is* equal to Southbank?
Hmmmm.... No - Fenland Poly is a frightful dump.
Seriously. There is little doubt that the lower end Unis (in general) take students with lower marks, and teach them an easier syllabus.
What is unfair, is that membership of the Russell Group is the cutoff. Rather than some kind of objective assessment of quality.
Due to the very low numbers I doubt there is much weekend effect anymore
The numbers to track are New infections and hospitalizations, followed bi icu occupancy, deaths are a lagging indicator.
Those are flat, aren't they?
The hospital numbers have been trending downwards more-or-less continuously since mid-April. I'm much more interested to see the latest update on these than I am the (very low) death figures.
Cases identified by positive test have now been creeping steadily upwards for six weeks, but there's still no sign yet of this feeding through into more stress on the healthcare system. Could be that transmission of the virus is very low amongst the elderly, that more and better targeted testing is picking up a larger proportion of all cases presently in circulation, or down to a combination of both factors.
It seems to be a combination of -
- more testing is finding asymptomatic cases - the case incidence is rising, but the demographic infected has changed massively.
Makes complete sense, as the product of what effectively amounts to a huge reduction in both the mean age and population density of the country. Biosecurity in care homes, voluntary self-isolation by much of the old and medically vulnerable population (and a good number of worried well on top of that,) and a huge and sustained collapse in commuting (reportedly, only 31% of London office workers are back at their desks, whereas in Paris, Madrid and Berlin the figure is 74%, 66% and 76% respectively.)
I thought they were all on holiday in our little seaside town with double it’s normal population. 😀
Plus many old people are treating anyone young as a plague carrier.
It's almost as though the journalists, having campaigned for a U-turn, have the next problem lined up!
The next problem was obvious once the first one has left to fester for a week..
Is this a time thing? The posts from @Scrapheap_as_was show that this would have been the case if the decision was taken last week. Incidentally, Scotland gaming the system on its own doesn't cause a trouble. But once the English start doing the same, UK universities have something of a problem.
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
@Philip_Thompson spent all morning saying this isn't a problem - I'm really looking forward to his reply...
If they have more domestic students than they expected they can offer fewer places to overseas students.
If they can't do make it work then they should lose access to all government grant and other funding they are able to get as they should not be prioritising overseas money making over domestic students during a pandemic.
It's almost as though the journalists, having campaigned for a U-turn, have the next problem lined up!
Or that the "fix" is nothing of the sort...
How would you fix it without increasing the number of admissions?
That bit was previously fixed with the post-algorithm grades.
There's bound to be a class somewhere where the algorithm generated better results than expected for the students, and a teacher who will say something along the lines of "I always look at my predictions as a minimum, and expect my students to try and better them"...
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
It just shows there is no easy option and that teachers have given very inflated expected grades.
Absolutely. Its really the teachers fault if you think about it...
I think teachers probably inflate expected grades every year.
I think you may be mixing up the Centre Assessed Grades with the A level predicted grades. It is the former that is at issue; the latter is irrelevant to the grade. The CAG can`t be inflated every year as this is the only year this has ever been done.
This is in no way the teachers` fault. Ofqual were naive to think that, under pressure re school league tables and from parents, that teachers wouldn`t come up with very optimistic grades. If they didn`t, then their pupils would have been disadvantaged against other schools` pupils whose teachers did.
Had my initial consultation meeting with HR about my role being made redundant. With an alternative gig agreed subject to contract I'm not stressed, but seriously bemused by the process being undertaken. As an employee of less than 2 years they don't technically need to follow a process. To choose to do so with Williamson-esque levels of incomprehension and incompetence would be truly funny if I had a few more months on the clock and could laugh about it all the way to the tribunal
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
@Philip_Thompson spent all morning saying this isn't a problem - I'm really looking forward to his reply...
If they have more domestic students than they expected they can offer fewer places to overseas students.
If they can't do make it work then they should lose access to all government grant and other funding they are able to get as they should not be prioritising overseas money making over domestic students during a pandemic.
I believe Oxford take over 6,000 undergraduates per annum. If they can't make room for 3,900 students within that 6,000 then they have a major problem.
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
@Philip_Thompson spent all morning saying this isn't a problem - I'm really looking forward to his reply...
If they have more domestic students than they expected they can offer fewer places to overseas students.
If they can't do make it work then they should lose access to all government grant and other funding they are able to get as they should not be prioritising overseas money making over domestic students during a pandemic.
I believe Oxford take over 6,000 undergraduates per annum. If they can't make room for 3,900 students within that 6,000 then they have a major problem.
Your Comprehension skills may need improvement - from within the blockquotes above Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places...
And it's currently still the case that Oxford University cannot take more UK students than they had last year...
It's almost as though the journalists, having campaigned for a U-turn, have the next problem lined up!
The next problem was obvious once the first one has left to fester for a week..
Is this a time thing? The posts from @Scrapheap_as_was show that this would have been the case if the decision was taken last week. Incidentally, Scotland gaming the system on its own doesn't cause a trouble. But once the English start doing the same, UK universities have something of a problem.
How to fix?
Well, according to many people of progressive intent, the housing crisis is down to rich, evil furriners* buying all the properties.
So, applying this idea, we through all the rich evil furriners out of the universities.
Job jobbed. Apart from the funding to pay for it.
On the upside - this year we might have as many people entering medicine as the NHS actually requires....
*Apparently being rich kind of neutralises the racism thing.
Due to the very low numbers I doubt there is much weekend effect anymore
The numbers to track are New infections and hospitalizations, followed bi icu occupancy, deaths are a lagging indicator.
Those are flat, aren't they?
The hospital numbers have been trending downwards more-or-less continuously since mid-April. I'm much more interested to see the latest update on these than I am the (very low) death figures.
Cases identified by positive test have now been creeping steadily upwards for six weeks, but there's still no sign yet of this feeding through into more stress on the healthcare system. Could be that transmission of the virus is very low amongst the elderly, that more and better targeted testing is picking up a larger proportion of all cases presently in circulation, or down to a combination of both factors.
It seems to be a combination of -
- more testing is finding asymptomatic cases - the case incidence is rising, but the demographic infected has changed massively.
Makes complete sense, as the product of what effectively amounts to a huge reduction in both the mean age and population density of the country. Biosecurity in care homes, voluntary self-isolation by much of the old and medically vulnerable population (and a good number of worried well on top of that,) and a huge and sustained collapse in commuting (reportedly, only 31% of London office workers are back at their desks, whereas in Paris, Madrid and Berlin the figure is 74%, 66% and 76% respectively.)
I thought they were all on holiday in our little seaside town with double it’s normal population. 😀
Plus many old people are treating anyone young as a plague carrier.
There is not much integration between immigrant Brits and younger Spanish people, unfortunately they are still hugging grandma in some cases.
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
@Philip_Thompson spent all morning saying this isn't a problem - I'm really looking forward to his reply...
If they have more domestic students than they expected they can offer fewer places to overseas students.
If they can't do make it work then they should lose access to all government grant and other funding they are able to get as they should not be prioritising overseas money making over domestic students during a pandemic.
I believe Oxford take over 6,000 undergraduates per annum. If they can't make room for 3,900 students within that 6,000 then they have a major problem.
Your Comprehension skills may need improvement - Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places...
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
@Philip_Thompson spent all morning saying this isn't a problem - I'm really looking forward to his reply...
If they have more domestic students than they expected they can offer fewer places to overseas students.
If they can't do make it work then they should lose access to all government grant and other funding they are able to get as they should not be prioritising overseas money making over domestic students during a pandemic.
I believe Oxford take over 6,000 undergraduates per annum. If they can't make room for 3,900 students within that 6,000 then they have a major problem.
In five years they deserve to lose if this carries on.
You talking about the Welsh, Scottish, NI or UK government? All have followed the same path.
How many incompetent decisions have the Tories made in the last two months alone?
I don't know. They've muddled their way through the worst pandemic in a century quite well I think and not been too stubborn to change course when mistakes are made.
I don't know why I asked you to be honest.
Me neither. I've been criticising the government on this subject and calling for a u-turn consistently have I not?
Next thing they should do is lift the cap on domestic students going to the best universities. If that makes shit universities suffer then sucks to be them, free market. They should have been less shit.
The third tier universities might be very good for all we know. The problem, as per the last thread, is employers discriminating against them. It is not as if the University of Lincoln teaches a different value of pi from Cambridge.
From personal experience of hiring people, the lower tier universities are lower tier for a reason.
Unless we want to go back to the heady days when people tried to claim that Southbank was equal to Cambridge.....
Not in my experience, job dependant though I'm sure
So you are saying that Fenland Poly *is* equal to Southbank?
Hmmmm.... No - Fenland Poly is a frightful dump.
Seriously. There is little doubt that the lower end Unis (in general) take students with lower marks, and teach them an easier syllabus.
What is unfair, is that membership of the Russell Group is the cutoff. Rather than some kind of objective assessment of quality.
As you say, the question of some places having more rigorous entry requirements can confuse matters but that is a difference in input, not output. The external examiner system was designed to ensure a First in French from one institution was the same as another.
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
It just shows there is no easy option and that teachers have given very inflated expected grades.
Absolutely. Its really the teachers fault if you think about it...
I think teachers probably inflate expected grades every year.
I think you may be mixing up the Centre Assessed Grades with the A level predicted grades. It is the former that is at issue; the latter is irrelevant to the grade. The CAG can`t be inflated every year as this is the only year this has ever been done.
This is in no way the teachers` fault. Ofqual were naive to think that, under pressure re school league tables and from parents, that teachers wouldn`t come up with very optimistic grades. If they didn`t, then their pupils would have been disadvantaged against other schools` pupils whose teachers did.
It's (mostly) not even that. Remember that a majority of the time, the CAGs and the Ofqual model agreed. A large part of the overprediction was because it's impossible to predict who will fall short on the day, even if you know that some will. Teachers can predict the most likely grade for each student and still overpredict on average.
There is a simple solution. Withdraw all of the grades incorrectly issued last week by a deficient Ofqual. All university place offers null and void. Reissue corrected grades. Tell everyone that its all Nicola Sturgeon's fault.
In five years they deserve to lose if this carries on.
You talking about the Welsh, Scottish, NI or UK government? All have followed the same path.
How many incompetent decisions have the Tories made in the last two months alone?
I don't know. They've muddled their way through the worst pandemic in a century quite well I think and not been too stubborn to change course when mistakes are made.
I don't know why I asked you to be honest.
Me neither. I've been criticising the government on this subject and calling for a u-turn consistently have I not?
Next thing they should do is lift the cap on domestic students going to the best universities. If that makes shit universities suffer then sucks to be them, free market. They should have been less shit.
The third tier universities might be very good for all we know. The problem, as per the last thread, is employers discriminating against them. It is not as if the University of Lincoln teaches a different value of pi from Cambridge.
From personal experience of hiring people, the lower tier universities are lower tier for a reason.
Unless we want to go back to the heady days when people tried to claim that Southbank was equal to Cambridge.....
Not in my experience, job dependant though I'm sure
So you are saying that Fenland Poly *is* equal to Southbank?
Hmmmm.... No - Fenland Poly is a frightful dump.
Seriously. There is little doubt that the lower end Unis (in general) take students with lower marks, and teach them an easier syllabus.
What is unfair, is that membership of the Russell Group is the cutoff. Rather than some kind of objective assessment of quality.
As you say, the question of some places having more rigorous entry requirements can confuse matters but that is a difference in input, not output. The external examiner system was designed to ensure a First in French from one institution was the same as another.
I laughed so hard I damn near died. Sorry.
The external examiner system is supposed to help standards. It does not mean that all universities are equal in output.
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
@Philip_Thompson spent all morning saying this isn't a problem - I'm really looking forward to his reply...
If they have more domestic students than they expected they can offer fewer places to overseas students.
If they can't do make it work then they should lose access to all government grant and other funding they are able to get as they should not be prioritising overseas money making over domestic students during a pandemic.
I believe Oxford take over 6,000 undergraduates per annum. If they can't make room for 3,900 students within that 6,000 then they have a major problem.
In five years they deserve to lose if this carries on.
You talking about the Welsh, Scottish, NI or UK government? All have followed the same path.
How many incompetent decisions have the Tories made in the last two months alone?
I don't know. They've muddled their way through the worst pandemic in a century quite well I think and not been too stubborn to change course when mistakes are made.
I don't know why I asked you to be honest.
Me neither. I've been criticising the government on this subject and calling for a u-turn consistently have I not?
Next thing they should do is lift the cap on domestic students going to the best universities. If that makes shit universities suffer then sucks to be them, free market. They should have been less shit.
The third tier universities might be very good for all we know. The problem, as per the last thread, is employers discriminating against them. It is not as if the University of Lincoln teaches a different value of pi from Cambridge.
From personal experience of hiring people, the lower tier universities are lower tier for a reason.
Unless we want to go back to the heady days when people tried to claim that Southbank was equal to Cambridge.....
Not in my experience, job dependant though I'm sure
So you are saying that Fenland Poly *is* equal to Southbank?
Hmmmm.... No - Fenland Poly is a frightful dump.
Seriously. There is little doubt that the lower end Unis (in general) take students with lower marks, and teach them an easier syllabus.
What is unfair, is that membership of the Russell Group is the cutoff. Rather than some kind of objective assessment of quality.
No I am not saying they're equal, I am saying in my experience the people from Russell Groups don't end up being any better than at my job than those who didn't go to them.
In five years they deserve to lose if this carries on.
You talking about the Welsh, Scottish, NI or UK government? All have followed the same path.
How many incompetent decisions have the Tories made in the last two months alone?
I don't know. They've muddled their way through the worst pandemic in a century quite well I think and not been too stubborn to change course when mistakes are made.
I don't know why I asked you to be honest.
Me neither. I've been criticising the government on this subject and calling for a u-turn consistently have I not?
Next thing they should do is lift the cap on domestic students going to the best universities. If that makes shit universities suffer then sucks to be them, free market. They should have been less shit.
The third tier universities might be very good for all we know. The problem, as per the last thread, is employers discriminating against them. It is not as if the University of Lincoln teaches a different value of pi from Cambridge.
From personal experience of hiring people, the lower tier universities are lower tier for a reason.
Unless we want to go back to the heady days when people tried to claim that Southbank was equal to Cambridge.....
Not in my experience, job dependant though I'm sure
So you are saying that Fenland Poly *is* equal to Southbank?
Hmmmm.... No - Fenland Poly is a frightful dump.
Seriously. There is little doubt that the lower end Unis (in general) take students with lower marks, and teach them an easier syllabus.
What is unfair, is that membership of the Russell Group is the cutoff. Rather than some kind of objective assessment of quality.
Russell Group is a cutoff because they are research based universities rather than teaching based ones...
And use the Russell Group is an invitation only group but that is because it's entire point was to act as a campaign group for research led unis.
Russell Groups take people with higher marks, true. But marks aren't everything, some people (like me) just suck at exams, I'm not trying to make excuses but I know for a fact that exams don't represent my ability.
Good luck to the Uni Admissions Officers with this unfolding cluster...
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
I expect all the better courses are full
Oxford offered circa 3,900 for circa 3,200 places, Cambridge over-offer as they expect more to miss their grades and I make it they offered 4,701 for 2020 yet their places are less than Oxford (I think - haven't check their stats calculator for that).
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
@Philip_Thompson spent all morning saying this isn't a problem - I'm really looking forward to his reply...
If they have more domestic students than they expected they can offer fewer places to overseas students.
If they can't do make it work then they should lose access to all government grant and other funding they are able to get as they should not be prioritising overseas money making over domestic students during a pandemic.
I believe Oxford take over 6,000 undergraduates per annum. If they can't make room for 3,900 students within that 6,000 then they have a major problem.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53807854
Now just waiting for England to do the right thing too at 4pm.
Good news that the government is in touch and listening to people rather than refusing to bend.
England cases by specimen date for yesterday -
We hired Matt Hancock as the new PB intern and well you know...
Things should be fixed now.
Well done both on coming to the right conclusion, eventually.
But really I think Williamson will go in the next reshuffle, reportedly next month, he's been forced into a level of u-turn that Hancock hasn't had to make.
In five years they deserve to lose if this carries on.
FPT: The hospital numbers have been trending downwards more-or-less continuously since mid-April. I'm much more interested to see the latest update on these than I am the (very low) death figures.
Cases identified by positive test have now been creeping steadily upwards for six weeks, but there's still no sign yet of this feeding through into more stress on the healthcare system. Could be that transmission of the virus is very low amongst the elderly, that more and better targeted testing is picking up a larger proportion of all cases presently in circulation, or down to a combination of both factors.
Palatial Betting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU3OibcindQ&t=176s
Unless the numbers not coming in from China / deferring a year to sit out the pox are enough to make this work. Which just makes for even more uncertainty. Anyway, we expected nothing less. We know the sacked liar is safe in his job as Frank Spencer impersonator because his boss has been sacked twice for lying which makes his sacked once for lying hardly a sacking offence.
In a few weeks the schools attempt to send everyone back full time just as the pox resurgence gets into full swing. Happily Mr Spencer will have proven himself in this crisis to be a bastion of calm and a visionary planner so absolutely nothing can go wrong.
https://twitter.com/themajorityscot/status/1295314872725536769?s=20
I do wonder what plague of frogs will descend next week to make that milestone impossible,
Next thing they should do is lift the cap on domestic students going to the best universities. If that makes shit universities suffer then sucks to be them, free market. They should have been less shit.
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1295344389871599616
- more testing is finding asymptomatic cases
- the case incidence is rising, but the demographic infected has changed massively.
Can somebody explain why this guy has so many followers. As far as I can see, he just posts info that's already out.
A whole swathe of students might be back knocking on their doors saying they've now met their offer grades.... UCAS might need to be 'turned off and on again' and restarted??
That will see losers too if that happens....
Unless we want to go back to the heady days when people tried to claim that Southbank was equal to Cambridge.....
!
Oxford are taking a record cohort of over 3,400 at last count pre this U turn.... Cambridge could be in a right pickle... Queens for example have already said they are taking 20% more than planned... forced deferrals to 2021 seems the only option i'd imagine. Screwing up next year's cohort too.
We did everything we could. We listed. We've made changes. The matter is closed. Move on. And for a few loyal frothers it will work. Suspect an awful lot of Tory parents won't forget this one in a hurry though - and thats before the September chaos of "go back to school or we fine you"
And you never know as it will often seem intermittent.
The monstrous unfairness this year is that the algorithm assigned that random bad luck to many students.
As with the few remaining Tory supporters on this forum he highlights the biggest issue this Government has - the inability to see beyond the immediately obvious and the immediate issue.
Hmmmm.... No - Fenland Poly is a frightful dump.
Seriously. There is little doubt that the lower end Unis (in general) take students with lower marks, and teach them an easier syllabus.
What is unfair, is that membership of the Russell Group is the cutoff. Rather than some kind of objective assessment of quality.
If they can't do make it work then they should lose access to all government grant and other funding they are able to get as they should not be prioritising overseas money making over domestic students during a pandemic.
There's bound to be a class somewhere where the algorithm generated better results than expected for the students, and a teacher who will say something along the lines of "I always look at my predictions as a minimum, and expect my students to try and better them"...
This is in no way the teachers` fault. Ofqual were naive to think that, under pressure re school league tables and from parents, that teachers wouldn`t come up with very optimistic grades. If they didn`t, then their pupils would have been disadvantaged against other schools` pupils whose teachers did.
And it's currently still the case that Oxford University cannot take more UK students than they had last year...
Well, according to many people of progressive intent, the housing crisis is down to rich, evil furriners* buying all the properties.
So, applying this idea, we through all the rich evil furriners out of the universities.
Job jobbed. Apart from the funding to pay for it.
On the upside - this year we might have as many people entering medicine as the NHS actually requires....
*Apparently being rich kind of neutralises the racism thing.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-08-15-university-statement-2020-admissions#:~:text=Against this background, the University,offers have now been admitted.
Or their historic stats.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/oxford/Annual Admissions Statistical Report 2020.pdf
A large part of the overprediction was because it's impossible to predict who will fall short on the day, even if you know that some will. Teachers can predict the most likely grade for each student and still overpredict on average.
The external examiner system is supposed to help standards. It does not mean that all universities are equal in output.
They don't offer 100% of their places to UK students. There is slack within the system to accept more.
Incredible really.
And use the Russell Group is an invitation only group but that is because it's entire point was to act as a campaign group for research led unis.