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  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    I don’t know. To be honest though It’s still pretty incompetent to promise to get back to somebody over workplace bullying, and then not.
    Well, probably worth knowing before getting all righteous about what did or did not happen.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,826
    humbugger said:

    How delightfully quaint to think that France adheres to everything enshrined in EU rules.
    For many years, I argued that the best way to stay in Europe was to follow the example of the French.

    Any European rule/law that upsets the country - well, we'll get round to enforcing that.

    Slightly after the heat death of the Universe.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,066

    https://c19downloads.azureedge.net/downloads/csv/coronavirus-cases_latest.csv

    It's supposed to be replaced with the new API, fairly soon.
    Thanks.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,440
    Scott_xP said:
    That doesn't make sense as a headline. Obese people aren't any likelier to pass the disease on, just to suffer badly if they get it.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,982

    Anyone presented with claims such as this should tell them to go to the police.
    Exactly - that’s what the Chief Whip should have told this person I imagine, rather than allegedly promising to get back to the complainant, and then not, even when chased.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,982

    Well, probably worth knowing before getting all righteous about what did or did not happen.
    We’re discussing the Sunday Times report, which alleges they have evidence of the allegation.
  • humbuggerhumbugger Posts: 377
    edited August 2020

    I don’t know. To be honest though It’s still pretty incompetent to promise to get back to somebody over workplace bullying, and then not.
    You've no idea what happened in the discussions between Spencer and the "victim". It's better to reserve judgement on these issues until you know the facts. You don't.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,155

    That doesn't make sense as a headline. Obese people aren't any likelier to pass the disease on, just to suffer badly if they get it.
    Agreed.

    And why illustrate the atricle with a person who clearly is not obese - it's not as if there aren't enough obese people around to photograph?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,982
    humbugger said:

    You've no idea what happened in the discussions between the Spencer and the "victim". It's better to reserve judgement on these issues until you know the facts. You don't.
    Oh get a grip. Next time there’s a newspaper article about anti-semitism in the Labour party or similar, I’m sure you’ll be saying “we don’t know whether this is true or not, let’s not discuss it”.

    You guys are really something else.
  • We’re discussing the Sunday Times report, which alleges they have evidence of the allegation.
    Alleges evidence of allegations and this is serious journalism
  • eekeek Posts: 29,520
    Scott_xP said:
    Which means the Government know that schools won't be opening fully come September.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,982

    Alleges evidence of allegations and this is serious journalism
    The Sunday Times says they have evidence that the Chief Whip promised to get back to the complainant and then didn’t, even when chased.

    You guys are something else. If the article is true, the Chief Whip has acted in a way that is seriously incompetent. It really is terrible.

    You Conservative “fans” will literally defend or sweep away the indefensible. It’s just as bad as the Corbynistas.
  • The ones which will likely see the wailing when some are downgraded.
    You do realise that grades are not normally awarded like this don’t you? So talk of “regular over-prediction” makes no sense.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,529
    edited August 2020

    Mrs T as Ed Sec under Heath closed most of the grammars. As Prime Minister, her government abolished O-levels by combining them with CSEs to form GCSEs. Her government ended corporal punishment after a European Court ruling.
    It was Labour councils who closed them, Heath just ordered Thatcher not to block them. Some Tory councils like Kent and Bucks kept them.

    Now we are out of the EU we could even see schools allowed to restore corporal punishment, Gove has toughened up GCSEs
  • eek said:

    Which means the Government know that schools won't be opening fully come September.
    The real test will be Scotland next week and the week after
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,077
    edited August 2020

    Agreed.

    And why illustrate the atricle with a person who clearly is not obese - it's not as if there aren't enough obese people around to photograph?
    If your tum is like this then you don't have much to worry about
  • Watching Moonraker. I think they based the character Hugo Drax on Elon Musk.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,982
    HYUFD said:

    It was Labour councils who closed them, Heath just ordered Thatcher not to block them. Some Tory councils like Kent and Essex kept them.

    Now we are out of the EU we could even see schools allowed to restore corporal punishment, Gove has toughened up GCSEs
    What has toughening up GCSEs have to do whether teachers should be allowed to hit children?

    I doubt any teachers will hit children, even if the Government “allowed it”. What a ridiculous thing to say.
  • Agreed.

    And why illustrate the atricle with a person who clearly is not obese - it's not as if there aren't enough obese people around to photograph?
    I suspect they're trying to make it relevant to the average reader.

    And while an obese person isn't the person in the picture is.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,456

    I can't really respect a speaker of English as a second language who uses the American spellings. It's like me learning French and using some sort Senegalese dialect. It's a sort of absurd affectation.
    Well he was the Ambassador to the US.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,066
    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1292202113892790272

    Bonkers. We cannot do a national lockdown again.

    I suppose this is another top epidemiologist with a model that predicts 1.5million will be dead by Xmas or some such.

    Meanwhile in Sweden.
  • Watching Moonraker. I think they based the character Hugo Drax on Elon Musk.

    Or maybe Musk modelled himself on Drax.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,520

    The real test will be Scotland next week and the week after
    That's going to be a disaster and a lot of schools have little interest in helping the Scottish Government after last week's screw ups
  • The Sunday Times says they have evidence that the Chief Whip promised to get back to the complainant and then didn’t, even when chased.

    You guys are something else. If the article is true, the Chief Whip has acted in a way that is seriously incompetent. It really is terrible.

    You Conservative “fans” will literally defend or sweep away the indefensible. It’s just as bad as the Corbynistas.
    Sorry but we really do not know the details other than newspaper allegations

    This is not about party loyalty but facts leading up to very serious allegations
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,982

    Sorry but we really do not know the details other than newspaper allegations

    This is not about party loyalty but facts leading up to very serious allegations
    A respectable person would say “if true, the Chief Whip has serious questions to answer”. That’s literally all I’ve said.

    Instead of the Corbynista-esque “yehhh but...”
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,440

    Well he was the Ambassador to the US.
    Excuses excuses.
  • eek said:

    That's going to be a disaster and a lot of schools have little interest in helping the Scottish Government after last week's screw ups
    But do they want to help children and students is the question
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,066
    eek said:

    Which means the Government know that schools won't be opening fully come September.
    But they'll shut the pubs anyway by the sound of some of the briefings.
  • Opinium tonight
  • ukpaulukpaul Posts: 649
    edited August 2020
    Scott_xP said:
    Without masks, proper distancing and air filtration in poorly ventilated classrooms you may as well just give each classroom a wild animal to tend.

    That doesn't make sense as a headline. Obese people aren't any likelier to pass the disease on, just to suffer badly if they get it.
    Add the above and this and it's pretty obvious. There is no plan to stop any second wave, it is to propagate it, with children as the conduit. Everyone else who might be at risk had better get out of the way and, if they don't they were warned.
  • HYUFD said:

    It was Labour councils who closed them, Heath just ordered Thatcher not to block them. Some Tory councils like Kent and Essex kept them.

    Now we are out of the EU we could even see schools allowed to restore corporal punishment, Gove has toughened up GCSEs
    No teacher I know teaching now would want to go back to the days of corporal punishment.

    Some of those who were teaching when I started, perhaps. There was one school I knew where there was a cane in a glass case outside the head’s office well into the nineties. It didn’t actually have a sign on it saying ‘in case of emergency break glass’, but the implication was certainly there.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,982
    edited August 2020

    twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1292198418211909632

    LOL

    Is that 30m per year? Probably a bargain in the grand scheme of things.
  • Why is that LOL

    A perfectly sensible agreement between UK and France on a life and death issue
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,826

    Or maybe Musk modelled himself on Drax.
    Be fair - Elon, unlike Drax, wouldn't have gone within a million miles of Shuttle system. Which was shite.
  • https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1292202113892790272

    Bonkers. We cannot do a national lockdown again.

    I suppose this is another top epidemiologist with a model that predicts 1.5million will be dead by Xmas or some such.

    Meanwhile in Sweden.

    I suspect the words 'could' and 'if' do a lot of work in that story.

    Remember how we were told that 36 areas were to be put into lockdown within days back in June.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,440

    Is that 30m per year? Probably a bargain in the grand scheme of things.
    Quite.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    In what sense is the pavement outside a London pub anyone's "workplace"? Also, it doesn't seem good journalism to go out looking for "inoffensive" vox pops; it's surely prejudging the issue of the mood of the pop.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,826
    My solution is very simple. Welcome them.

    Then give them the some rusty AKs, and tell them that if they get x% of France back for us, cash is hand....

    It's only traditional, after all......
  • https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1292158642201022464

    Jesus Christ.

    2010 is objectively the best election Labour has had in the last 10 years, it's the only one where it was physically possible for Labour to form any Government.

    I am so utterly fed up with this narrative we were going to win in 2017, at best we might have formed an unstable minority Government. We were miles away from winning.

    As long as we stick by this narrative, we will never win again.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    IshmaelZ said:

    In what sense is the pavement outside a London pub anyone's "workplace"? Also, it doesn't seem good journalism to go out looking for "inoffensive" vox pops; it's surely prejudging the issue of the mood of the pop.
    Indeed. What a pathetic ultra-snowflake. He's a Sky Journalist interviewing members of the Great British Public during a pandemic that is decimating the economy. If he's offended by people telling him to Fuck Off he should maybe reconsider a new life as a librarian in the outer Orkneys.
  • NBC has, within the last hour, clarified when Joe Biden will announce his running mate.

    Biden closing in on final decision on vice presidential running mate
    The presumptive Democratic nominee could announce a final decision by the middle of next week or sooner, although sources say his only real deadline is the convention, which starts Aug. 17.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-closing-final-decision-vice-presidential-running-mate-n1236229

    So I hope that's clear. By mid-week. Or sooner. Or later.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    France are obliged to take them back under dublin. If they want paying then we put two fingers up and drop off illegal crossers on french beaches by rib.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,982
    To be fair to the Government, they’re right, schools need to open. They are just as important as the health service.

    If teachers need visors and masks, give them visors and masks. Give them whatever they need - an open cheque book - but schools must open.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,303
    edited August 2020
    I’m watching the highlights of England v Pakistan and England are now 117-5. I assume I might as well stop here, or do we end up getting close?
  • Scott_xP said:
    And will the items be supplied ?

    If you get what you pay for then its not a problem, if you don't then it is.

    That's how business works.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,457
    Pagan2 said:

    France are obliged to take them back under dublin.

    Killed by Brexit
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,826
    LadyG said:

    Indeed. What a pathetic ultra-snowflake. He's a Sky Journalist interviewing members of the Great British Public during a pandemic that is decimating the economy. If he's offended by people telling him to Fuck Off he should maybe reconsider a new life as a librarian in the outer Orkneys.
    If he can't take the "le mot de Cambronne"... well I don't think he should head to the Orkneys.... They are a bit forthright there.....
  • Pagan2 said:

    France are obliged to take them back under dublin. If they want paying then we put two fingers up and drop off illegal crossers on french beaches by rib.
    Any agreements we made expire at the end of this year
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,982
    Scott_xP said:

    Killed by Brexit
    Did Dublin 2 replace Dublin 1, or compliment it?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,440

    My solution is very simple. Welcome them.

    Then give them the some rusty AKs, and tell them that if they get x% of France back for us, cash is hand....

    It's only traditional, after all......
    I am puzzled as to why you actually want to claim a piece of Northern France for dear old Blighty. Even as an amusing conceit, I don't get it.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    Scott_xP said:

    Killed by Brexit
    So we drop them back anyway
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,066
    edited August 2020
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/08/obese-people-coronavirus-hotspots-will-told-stay-indoors-combat/

    Maybe I am being stupid, but this leading Telegraph piece seems to be a rewrite of last Sunday's Times story that there had been a major wargame around what to do next which had involved plans for telling over 50s to lockdown and/or more sophisticated shielding rules.

    Yet the briefing was hard and swift on Monday that this story was not accurate and did not reflect the wargaming discussions and there were no plans to segregate in this way.

    WTF is going on? Briefing wars?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,982
    Pagan2 said:

    So we drop them back anyway
    Would that not be an illegal encroachment on French territory?
  • I’m watching the highlights of England v Pakistan and England are now 117-5. I assume I might as well stop here, or do we end up getting close?

    Keep watching
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,826

    I am puzzled as to why you actually want to claim a piece of Northern France for dear old Blighty. Even as an amusing conceit, I don't get it.
    Tradition, old chap. Tradition. Keep the poles occupied.

    Haven't you read Henry V?
  • https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/08/obese-people-coronavirus-hotspots-will-told-stay-indoors-combat/

    Maybe I am being stupid, but this leading Telegraph piece seems to be a rewrite of last Sunday's Times story that there had been a major wargame around what to do next which had involved plans for telling over 50s to lockdown and/or more sophisticated shielding rules.

    Yet the briefing was fast and swift on Monday that this story was not accurate and did not reflect the wargaming discussions and there were no plans to segregate in this way.

    WTF is going on? Briefing wars?

    They're seeing what the public want?

    My view is they put out these stories so they can announce something slightly less bad
  • Tradition, old chap. Tradition. Keep the poles occupied.

    Haven't you read Henry V?
    I don’t remember any Polish characters in Henry V.
  • Lol marking my posts as off topic you utter spineless coward
  • I still don't think Boris Johnson has quite understood we're not in an election campaign anymore
  • https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/08/obese-people-coronavirus-hotspots-will-told-stay-indoors-combat/

    Maybe I am being stupid, but this leading Telegraph piece seems to be a rewrite of last Sunday's Times story that there had been a major wargame around what to do next which had involved plans for telling over 50s to lockdown and/or more sophisticated shielding rules.

    Yet the briefing was fast and swift on Monday that this story was not accurate and did not reflect the wargaming discussions and there were no plans to segregate in this way.

    WTF is going on? Briefing wars?

    Desperate journalism.

    Take a different story, change a few details and attribute it to vague sources.

    As Telegraph readers are unlikely to have read the Times last week, or remember what they read even if they did, they don't realise they're reading reheated leftovers.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,982

    Lol marking my posts as off topic you utter spineless coward

    I wouldn’t take it personally, it makes no difference, and most of them are accidental clicks on mobile phones.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,826

    Would that not be an illegal encroachment on French territory?
    I'm sorry. You want to apply laws to the behaviour of the French government?

    That's an interesting idea. Perhaps it should be tried.

    I'll get my coat. It's the one next to the lorry full of sheep. On fire.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,278
    Yes yes, we've seen this one before, how puerile.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,826

    I don’t remember any Polish characters in Henry V.
    Read it again....

    :-)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,440
    There really is only one solution for these boats. We need to eliminate the pull factor. If people wish to seek asylum in the UK, our processing centres should be in Africa and probably India or similar. People would apply there. Easier for genuine seekers of asylum to get there.
  • I wouldn’t take it personally, it makes no difference, and most of them are accidental clicks on mobile phones.
    I've noticed that many of my comments which have been marked as off-topic were about cricket.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    Would that not be an illegal encroachment on French territory?
    not at all we are rescuing people from a boat that came from french territory and being kind enough to take them home
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,278
    eek said:

    Which means the Government know that schools won't be opening fully come September.
    Sounds like it.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,520
    edited August 2020
    IshmaelZ said:

    In what sense is the pavement outside a London pub anyone's "workplace"? Also, it doesn't seem good journalism to go out looking for "inoffensive" vox pops; it's surely prejudging the issue of the mood of the pop.
    I don't swear but I think even I would be tempted to if my quiet drink was disturbed by a camera crew disrupting people and asking pointless questions
  • Read it again....

    :-)
    Turns out, you were right:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_de_la_Pole,_3rd_Earl_of_Suffolk
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,278
    I'm unclear who you are laughing at here. Them for making the demand, or us for being faced with the demand? Either way, I still don't get the joke.

    Not because it is a serious issue - never let that get in the way of a good laugh - but what is LoLworthy about them either making an unreasonable demand, or a reasonable one, and us either not complying with an unreasonable one or complying with a reasonable one?
  • There really is only one solution for these boats. We need to eliminate the pull factor. If people wish to seek asylum in the UK, our processing centres should be in Africa and probably India or similar. People would apply there. Easier for genuine seekers of asylum to get there.

    I've had a similar idea that over-crowding in British prisons should be solved by building prisons in Africa and shipping the criminals out there.

    Would also be a boost to the local economies and so could be done via the the foreign aid budget.
  • I've had a similar idea that over-crowding in British prisons should be solved by building prisons in Africa and shipping the criminals out there.

    Would also be a boost to the local economies and so could be done via the the foreign aid budget.
    Vile.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,826
    eek said:

    I don't swear but I think even I would be tempted to if my quiet drink was disturbed by a camera crew disrupting people and asking pointless questions
    Thinking about it, and some of the traders I worked with at the LIFFE exchange, he was really rather lucky.

    Some were very, very basic people - anyone interrupting after the sixth pint....
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221

    Keep watching
    One of the best endings to a Test match I have seen in a long time.

    Test cricket is suddenly very appealing. The lack of crowd noise is a damn shame, but it's not crucial (unlike football, where the silence makes the sport unwatchable). Test cricket was always quieter and more cerebral.

    And the sheer length of a Test match/series is a joyful maze in which you can lose yourself for days, a very welcome distraction during the Wuhan Death

    And it's not just me feeling this. Apparently the viewing figures for Sky's broadcast of the latest England-Windies series were the best they've ever had. People are bored and want a massive and endless distraction.

    Test cricket is perfect for this. Pure and prolonged escapism. Like a major series of Fantasy novels. The Hunger Games with bat and willow. Game of Thrones with spinners and googlies. Test cricket may be about to enjoy an unlikely revival





  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,278
    edited August 2020

    https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1292158642201022464

    Jesus Christ.

    2010 is objectively the best election Labour has had in the last 10 years, it's the only one where it was physically possible for Labour to form any Government.

    I am so utterly fed up with this narrative we were going to win in 2017, at best we might have formed an unstable minority Government. We were miles away from winning.

    As long as we stick by this narrative, we will never win again.

    Moreover, why figuring out why they lost is important*, I get the tiniest hint that they are less concerned with learning lessons about why they lost than assigning blame for why they lost, or rather avoiding any of it hitting them. Or, gods forbid, recognising who is ultimately responsible - the public. Most explanations are just ways of avoiding blaming the electorate for making the 'wrong' choice even though that is clearly what people want to do, hence stuff about people being fooled, not knowing what they were voting for and so on.


    *though I don't know that parties ever really do learn why they lost and take appropriate action, and it is more just the passage of time, natural ebb and flow of party direction and weakening of their opponents that does it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,066
    Scott_xP said:
    Why don't they virus test teachers once a week?

    If kids spread this like there is no tomorrow (a completely unproven hypothesis - see for example Swedish primary schools) then within three or four weeks of reopening in September we would start to see a serious uptick.

    Then we can discuss shutting them down again until Xmas.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    kle4 said:

    I'm unclear who you are laughing at here. Them for making the demand, or us for being faced with the demand? Either way, I still don't get the joke.

    Not because it is a serious issue - never let that get in the way of a good laugh - but what is LoLworthy about them either making an unreasonable demand, or a reasonable one, and us either not complying with an unreasonable one or complying with a reasonable one?
    Turkey made a similar demand, give us cash or we let syrians flood over the borders. The people supporting the french stance now were the same ones decrying turkey for doing it.
  • ukpaulukpaul Posts: 649
    Scott_xP said:
    And there you have the problem in a nutshell.

    PR campaigns not actual proper measures to make things safer.

    Peak 2020, just say things in different ways rather than actually doing anything.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,982
    Pagan2 said:

    Turkey made a similar demand, give us cash or we let syrians flood over the borders. The people supporting the french stance now were the same ones decrying turkey for doing it.
    You’re making things up again. You have a habit of doing this.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,278

    I've had a similar idea that over-crowding in British prisons should be solved by building prisons in Africa and shipping the criminals out there.

    Would also be a boost to the local economies and so could be done via the the foreign aid budget.
    Moralities aside, if this were a serious suggestion do you think even cash strapped nations will be clamouring for the chance to host such prisons?
  • To be fair to the Government, they’re right, schools need to open. They are just as important as the health service.

    If teachers need visors and masks, give them visors and masks. Give them whatever they need - an open cheque book - but schools must open.

    That's the (apparent) category error the government are making. Once you accept that there are lots of problems with trying to run schools as normal, starting with getting staff and pupils to school, then you can work out what to do, what compromises do you need to make and what the fallback might need to be. (What happens in a local lockdown? What if the teacher is locked down and the pupils aren't?)

    The denial of some of the complexities, and the absurdly low quality of some of the DfE guidance, have held that process up. Instead we get front page bluster from our glorious leader.

    But blustering newspaper articles are BoJo's happy place. And even if they don't do much good for effective government, they're apparently quite good politics.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    You’re making things up again. You have a habit of doing this.
    The eu ended up paying turkey a couple of billions the fact you dont remember it being in the news doesnt make it false it just means you are joe biden
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,826

    You’re making things up again. You have a habit of doing this.
    hmmmm

    https://www.euronews.com/2016/03/07/turkey-demands-more-cash-and-faster-visa-free-travel-for-migrant-help
  • Vile.
    Who to the criminals or the third world countries ?

    I don't have much experience of the first group but I suspect a spell in an African jail with an HMP sign on might be more of a deterrent than those in this country.

    And for the third world countries they would get properly paid, at much better rates than what we currently exploit them for.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,278
    LadyG said:

    One of the best endings to a Test match I have seen in a long time.

    Test cricket is suddenly very appealing. The lack of crowd noise is a damn shame, but it's not crucial (unlike football, where the silence makes the sport unwatchable). Test cricket was always quieter and more cerebral.

    And the sheer length of a Test match/series is a joyful maze in which you can lose yourself for days, a very welcome distraction during the Wuhan Death

    And it's not just me feeling this. Apparently the viewing figures for Sky's broadcast of the latest England-Windies series were the best they've ever had. People are bored and want a massive and endless distraction.

    Test cricket is perfect for this. Pure and prolonged escapism. Like a major series of Fantasy novels. The Hunger Games with bat and willow. Game of Thrones with spinners and googlies. Test cricket may be about to enjoy an unlikely revival

    There's no better sport for building a narrative, for individuals and teams, for raising such tension in the teams as it all comes down to a few moments. I hope it is revived. I hope Ireland and Afganistan get a lot more games too.

    Plus you can watch it while you're at work as there's gaps every few seconds.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656
    Pagan2 said:

    The eu ended up paying turkey a couple of billions the fact you dont remember it being in the news doesnt make it false it just means you are joe biden
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-eu/eu-turkey-in-stand-off-over-funds-to-tackle-new-migrant-crisis-idUSKBN20T1RH
    for example now when you stop calling people liars for remembering what happened rather than what you in la la leftie remainerland would wish to believe happened I may uncancel you
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,982
    Pagan2 said:

    The eu ended up paying turkey a couple of billions the fact you dont remember it being in the news doesnt make it false it just means you are joe biden
    I mean you’re making up that “the same people supporting the french stance now were the same ones decrying turkey for doing it”.

    It’s the usual bollocks from you.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,656

    I mean you’re making up that “the same people supporting the french stance now were the same ones decrying turkey for doing it”.

    It’s the usual bollocks from you.
    No people like scott xp and other remainers were fulminating about turkey holding the eu at ransom at the time go back to the 2016 threads and look
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,278
    I know little of Lebanese politics other than that it is apparently highly divisive even at the best of times, so I hope my scepticism that early elections will be a way out of their latest crisis is wrong

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-53704998
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,982
    Pagan2 said:

    No people like scott xp and other remainers were fulminating about turkey holding the eu at ransom at the time go back to the 2016 threads and look
    Nah we weren’t.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,826
    kle4 said:

    Moralities aside, if this were a serious suggestion do you think even cash strapped nations will be clamouring for the chance to host such prisons?
    I would say you would get a queue round the block at the Home Office, of ambassadors.

    Real billions of pounds on a on-going basis? To lock up some white people*?

    *Yes, I know.
  • kle4 said:

    Moralities aside, if this were a serious suggestion do you think even cash strapped nations will be clamouring for the chance to host such prisons?
    Who knows.

    But there's plenty of exploitation in the third world, both from within and from without.

    Offer up the opportunity and we would see who was interested.
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