Telegraph says Government has given up hope of deal. All a ruse like with No Deal last time or are we really headed for oblivion?
It doesn't make much difference TBH, the deal that is available is itself likely to be so negative for the economic outlook (significant non-tariff barriers, regulatory uncertainty, nothing on services) that not getting it won't make a massive amount of difference. This is why neither side is putting much effort into securing a deal.
I have a close friend who was totally beguiled and besotted by him. She attended his talks along with thousands of other dewey-eyed and guilt-ridden mothers. She bought hook line and sinker into his nonsense, refusing to vaccinate her children.
He should be behind bars.
The UK doesn't imprison either charlatans or misguided scientists, freedom of speech is far too important for that.
If he'd been defrauding people of money, or inciting violence, that's different. That he is professionally ruined is more than sufficient punishment for his actions.
Arguably we are too shy about locking up prominent scientists even when we should.
The case of Roy Meadow, whose entirely false testimony based on statistics he didn’t understand and wasn’t competent to explain convicted several women of infanticide, springs to mind.
Can you seriously imagine politicians wanting to set a precedent of locking people up for mere incompetence? Not sure about it myself!
It remains doubtful that Meadows’ testimony was mere incompetence.
Besides, it was judges, not politicians, who made the ruling. One judge even went so far as to say that expert witnesses could not be held responsible for their testimony being totally worthless and inaccurate, which was an extraordinary view to take.
What you have to appreciate is that many judges and most lawyers are completely innumerate. Its why they did law instead of something useful like a STEM subject. Statistics or maths can seem like magic to such people and they are reluctant to question it in case they show their own ignorance.
This is where my engineering degree and career will hopefully come in handy in my new law career!
That does rather sound though like I K Brunel going into the demolition business....
There was never any realistic chance of agreeing a trade deal with the USA in a Presidential election year. Any serious talk about a trade deal should start next year (hopefully under Biden) with an aim to wrap it up before the Midterms.
There was never any realistic chance of agreeing a trade deal with the USA in a Presidential election year. Any serious talk about a trade deal should start next year (hopefully under Biden) with an aim to wrap it up before the Midterms.
This FT opinion piece has received more than 1000 comments. Must be something of a record in recent times. This is a topic that clearly engages an important demographic, and they are not happy bunnies. Johnson is pretty much universally considered to be making a total cluster**** of this issue.
‘Scotland may be the price of Boris Johnson’s place in history’ - UK prime minister will have to fight to save the Union from himself
...Mr Johnson helped cause the problem. The 2014 independence referendum should have killed the issue for a generation. But Brexit, which Scotland voted against, revived it. Scots then saw Mr Johnson topple Theresa May, because her approach prioritised saving the Union...
...He is now discussing a Scottish tour but this might go down as well as a royal progress by the conquering knights of Edward I. Mr Johnson is, in the words of one Unionist, “irredeemably toxic to Scots”.
...One leading unionist observes: “I am very pessimistic. The only real grounds for optimism is that people in London are now very worried and that the cabinet office is getting engaged.” Another adds: “London has now seen what they are dealing with. The SNP are not the Liberal Democrats.”
...UK dealings with the devolved administrations are characterised by an almost colonial mindset and need a rethink. One former Downing Street staffer said: “This is not just about politicians. Whitehall also too often treats the first ministers of Scotland and Wales like regional mayors rather than the leaders of countries.”
...This will only get worse as the US trade talks reach a head. With vocal Scottish opposition to weakening food standards, Mr Johnson may be forced to choose between shoring up the Union and the prize of a US trade deal.
That Unionists are waking up to the danger does not mean they are any closer to finding solutions. Most agree that they must find “an emotional argument” for the union. One also argues for small signals like changing the name of the Bank of England to the UK Central Bank.
...Generationally and politically the tide appears to be flowing towards independence. Mr Johnson’s temptation will be to smother Scotland with cash, and hope to prevent an SNP majority next year...
...Mr Johnson is drawn to such brinkmanship and sets great store in his political charm, but he knows his Brexit vision has powered the nationalist surge. If Scotland goes, it will be a calamity he has largely visited upon himself. And history will not be kind.
This FT opinion piece has received more than 1000 comments. Must be something of a record in recent times. This is a topic that clearly engages an important demographic, and they are not happy bunnies. Johnson is pretty much universally considered to be making a total cluster**** of this issue.
‘Scotland may be the price of Boris Johnson’s place in history’ - UK prime minister will have to fight to save the Union from himself
...Mr Johnson helped cause the problem. The 2014 independence referendum should have killed the issue for a generation. But Brexit, which Scotland voted against, revived it. Scots then saw Mr Johnson topple Theresa May, because her approach prioritised saving the Union...
...He is now discussing a Scottish tour but this might go down as well as a royal progress by the conquering knights of Edward I. Mr Johnson is, in the words of one Unionist, “irredeemably toxic to Scots”.
...One leading unionist observes: “I am very pessimistic. The only real grounds for optimism is that people in London are now very worried and that the cabinet office is getting engaged.” Another adds: “London has now seen what they are dealing with. The SNP are not the Liberal Democrats.”
...UK dealings with the devolved administrations are characterised by an almost colonial mindset and need a rethink. One former Downing Street staffer said: “This is not just about politicians. Whitehall also too often treats the first ministers of Scotland and Wales like regional mayors rather than the leaders of countries.”
...This will only get worse as the US trade talks reach a head. With vocal Scottish opposition to weakening food standards, Mr Johnson may be forced to choose between shoring up the Union and the prize of a US trade deal.
That Unionists are waking up to the danger does not mean they are any closer to finding solutions. Most agree that they must find “an emotional argument” for the union. One also argues for small signals like changing the name of the Bank of England to the UK Central Bank.
...Generationally and politically the tide appears to be flowing towards independence. Mr Johnson’s temptation will be to smother Scotland with cash, and hope to prevent an SNP majority next year...
...Mr Johnson is drawn to such brinkmanship and sets great store in his political charm, but he knows his Brexit vision has powered the nationalist surge. If Scotland goes, it will be a calamity he has largely visited upon himself. And history will not be kind.
Did we cover Watford's disastrous night last night?
Needing points from the last two games you sack your manager and then in the first of the games lose by enough goals that you end up in the relegation zone with a game to go...
They were always going to be thrashed by Man City. It is the West Ham result that is a devastating blow to them.
Hang on, even Arsenal beat Man City, so they can't be that good.
Pearson had a £1m bonus resting on staying up. He pulled them out of the relegation zone - only for them to fall back into it when Watford sacked him.
I wouldn't be surprised if Watford were relegated and Pearson went to court and won the case.
To save £1m they're risking premier league status which is worth £150m. Incredible risk analysis from the owners.
Assuming that's the motivation then yes, a poor decision. However, it must be possible they were trying the new manager effect, and with two extremely hard games left, why not?
There was never any realistic chance of agreeing a trade deal with the USA in a Presidential election year. Any serious talk about a trade deal should start next year (hopefully under Biden) with an aim to wrap it up before the Midterms.
No lie. Did you read the quotes, firstly it didn't come from Boris, secondly it used the word "could".
If you improve your literacy maybe you'd be less angry all the time. Same for Pickard, the only lie is swapping the word "could" with "would". Here's something even children should know - those two word have very different meanings.
Did we cover Watford's disastrous night last night?
Needing points from the last two games you sack your manager and then in the first of the games lose by enough goals that you end up in the relegation zone with a game to go...
They were always going to be thrashed by Man City. It is the West Ham result that is a devastating blow to them.
Hang on, even Arsenal beat Man City, so they can't be that good.
Pearson had a £1m bonus resting on staying up. He pulled them out of the relegation zone - only for them to fall back into it when Watford sacked him.
I wouldn't be surprised if Watford were relegated and Pearson went to court and won the case.
To save £1m they're risking premier league status which is worth £150m. Incredible risk analysis from the owners.
Assuming that's the motivation then yes, a poor decision. However, it must be possible they were trying the new manager effect, and with two extremely hard games left, why not?
A new manager effect only works if there is a new manager the players respect.
Telegraph says Government has given up hope of deal. All a ruse like with No Deal last time or are we really headed for oblivion?
It doesn't make much difference TBH, the deal that is available is itself likely to be so negative for the economic outlook (significant non-tariff barriers, regulatory uncertainty, nothing on services) that not getting it won't make a massive amount of difference. This is why neither side is putting much effort into securing a deal.
Did we cover Watford's disastrous night last night?
Needing points from the last two games you sack your manager and then in the first of the games lose by enough goals that you end up in the relegation zone with a game to go...
They were always going to be thrashed by Man City. It is the West Ham result that is a devastating blow to them.
Hang on, even Arsenal beat Man City, so they can't be that good.
Pearson had a £1m bonus resting on staying up. He pulled them out of the relegation zone - only for them to fall back into it when Watford sacked him.
I wouldn't be surprised if Watford were relegated and Pearson went to court and won the case.
To save £1m they're risking premier league status which is worth £150m. Incredible risk analysis from the owners.
Assuming that's the motivation then yes, a poor decision. However, it must be possible they were trying the new manager effect, and with two extremely hard games left, why not?
Because they had no manager lined up and worse no motivational speaker?
There was never any realistic chance of agreeing a trade deal with the USA in a Presidential election year. Any serious talk about a trade deal should start next year (hopefully under Biden) with an aim to wrap it up before the Midterms.
No lie. Did you read the quotes, firstly it didn't come from Boris, secondly it used the word "could".
If you improve your literacy maybe you'd be less angry all the time. Same for Pickard, the only lie is swapping the word "could" with "would". Here's something even children should know - those two word have very different meanings.
There was never any realistic chance of agreeing a trade deal with the USA in a Presidential election year. Any serious talk about a trade deal should start next year (hopefully under Biden) with an aim to wrap it up before the Midterms.
No lie. Did you read the quotes, firstly it didn't come from Boris, secondly it used the word "could".
If you improve your literacy maybe you'd be less angry all the time. Same for Pickard, the only lie is swapping the word "could" with "would". Here's something even children should know - those two word have very different meanings.
I could run 100 metres in five seconds.
I only said "could". Please don't hold me to it.
"Could" is a very useful word for politicians, it's up there with the phrase "there is no evidence that...".
This FT opinion piece has received more than 1000 comments. Must be something of a record in recent times. This is a topic that clearly engages an important demographic, and they are not happy bunnies. Johnson is pretty much universally considered to be making a total cluster**** of this issue.
‘Scotland may be the price of Boris Johnson’s place in history’ - UK prime minister will have to fight to save the Union from himself
...Mr Johnson helped cause the problem. The 2014 independence referendum should have killed the issue for a generation. But Brexit, which Scotland voted against, revived it. Scots then saw Mr Johnson topple Theresa May, because her approach prioritised saving the Union...
...He is now discussing a Scottish tour but this might go down as well as a royal progress by the conquering knights of Edward I. Mr Johnson is, in the words of one Unionist, “irredeemably toxic to Scots”.
...One leading unionist observes: “I am very pessimistic. The only real grounds for optimism is that people in London are now very worried and that the cabinet office is getting engaged.” Another adds: “London has now seen what they are dealing with. The SNP are not the Liberal Democrats.”
...UK dealings with the devolved administrations are characterised by an almost colonial mindset and need a rethink. One former Downing Street staffer said: “This is not just about politicians. Whitehall also too often treats the first ministers of Scotland and Wales like regional mayors rather than the leaders of countries.”
...This will only get worse as the US trade talks reach a head. With vocal Scottish opposition to weakening food standards, Mr Johnson may be forced to choose between shoring up the Union and the prize of a US trade deal.
That Unionists are waking up to the danger does not mean they are any closer to finding solutions. Most agree that they must find “an emotional argument” for the union. One also argues for small signals like changing the name of the Bank of England to the UK Central Bank.
...Generationally and politically the tide appears to be flowing towards independence. Mr Johnson’s temptation will be to smother Scotland with cash, and hope to prevent an SNP majority next year...
...Mr Johnson is drawn to such brinkmanship and sets great store in his political charm, but he knows his Brexit vision has powered the nationalist surge. If Scotland goes, it will be a calamity he has largely visited upon himself. And history will not be kind.
So really Brexit has not made that much difference and we know Boris respects the fact 2014 was a 'once in a generation referendum' anyway
45% of Scots did not vote Yes - 45% of those voting did. Which means that your figures are not comparable as you are including DKs. And that Wiki page is out of date, it doesn't include recent polling.
There was never any realistic chance of agreeing a trade deal with the USA in a Presidential election year. Any serious talk about a trade deal should start next year (hopefully under Biden) with an aim to wrap it up before the Midterms.
No lie. Did you read the quotes, firstly it didn't come from Boris, secondly it used the word "could".
If you improve your literacy maybe you'd be less angry all the time. Same for Pickard, the only lie is swapping the word "could" with "would". Here's something even children should know - those two word have very different meanings.
I could run 100 metres in five seconds.
I only said "could". Please don't hold me to it.
Easy, as long as you don’t care what angle the track is...
This FT opinion piece has received more than 1000 comments. Must be something of a record in recent times. This is a topic that clearly engages an important demographic, and they are not happy bunnies. Johnson is pretty much universally considered to be making a total cluster**** of this issue.
‘Scotland may be the price of Boris Johnson’s place in history’ - UK prime minister will have to fight to save the Union from himself
...Mr Johnson helped cause the problem. The 2014 independence referendum should have killed the issue for a generation. But Brexit, which Scotland voted against, revived it. Scots then saw Mr Johnson topple Theresa May, because her approach prioritised saving the Union...
...He is now discussing a Scottish tour but this might go down as well as a royal progress by the conquering knights of Edward I. Mr Johnson is, in the words of one Unionist, “irredeemably toxic to Scots”.
...One leading unionist observes: “I am very pessimistic. The only real grounds for optimism is that people in London are now very worried and that the cabinet office is getting engaged.” Another adds: “London has now seen what they are dealing with. The SNP are not the Liberal Democrats.”
...UK dealings with the devolved administrations are characterised by an almost colonial mindset and need a rethink. One former Downing Street staffer said: “This is not just about politicians. Whitehall also too often treats the first ministers of Scotland and Wales like regional mayors rather than the leaders of countries.”
...This will only get worse as the US trade talks reach a head. With vocal Scottish opposition to weakening food standards, Mr Johnson may be forced to choose between shoring up the Union and the prize of a US trade deal.
That Unionists are waking up to the danger does not mean they are any closer to finding solutions. Most agree that they must find “an emotional argument” for the union. One also argues for small signals like changing the name of the Bank of England to the UK Central Bank.
...Generationally and politically the tide appears to be flowing towards independence. Mr Johnson’s temptation will be to smother Scotland with cash, and hope to prevent an SNP majority next year...
...Mr Johnson is drawn to such brinkmanship and sets great store in his political charm, but he knows his Brexit vision has powered the nationalist surge. If Scotland goes, it will be a calamity he has largely visited upon himself. And history will not be kind.
So really Brexit has not made that much difference and we know Boris respects the fact 2014 was a 'once in a generation referendum' anyway
45% of Scots did not vote Yes - 45% of those voting did. Which means that your figures are not comparable as you are including DKs. And that Wiki page is out of date, it doesn't include recent polling.
It does include recent polling, no poll this year has had Yes over 50% including don't knows and that goes right up to polling from the last month.
As Quebec showed in 1995 don't knows tend to go No
Transport secretary is a waste of space, the only recent minister who has given a good and apparently honest performance was Kit Malthouse who comes over as one of the few honest ones.
This FT opinion piece has received more than 1000 comments. Must be something of a record in recent times. This is a topic that clearly engages an important demographic, and they are not happy bunnies. Johnson is pretty much universally considered to be making a total cluster**** of this issue.
‘Scotland may be the price of Boris Johnson’s place in history’ - UK prime minister will have to fight to save the Union from himself
...Mr Johnson helped cause the problem. The 2014 independence referendum should have killed the issue for a generation. But Brexit, which Scotland voted against, revived it. Scots then saw Mr Johnson topple Theresa May, because her approach prioritised saving the Union...
...He is now discussing a Scottish tour but this might go down as well as a royal progress by the conquering knights of Edward I. Mr Johnson is, in the words of one Unionist, “irredeemably toxic to Scots”.
...One leading unionist observes: “I am very pessimistic. The only real grounds for optimism is that people in London are now very worried and that the cabinet office is getting engaged.” Another adds: “London has now seen what they are dealing with. The SNP are not the Liberal Democrats.”
...UK dealings with the devolved administrations are characterised by an almost colonial mindset and need a rethink. One former Downing Street staffer said: “This is not just about politicians. Whitehall also too often treats the first ministers of Scotland and Wales like regional mayors rather than the leaders of countries.”
...This will only get worse as the US trade talks reach a head. With vocal Scottish opposition to weakening food standards, Mr Johnson may be forced to choose between shoring up the Union and the prize of a US trade deal.
That Unionists are waking up to the danger does not mean they are any closer to finding solutions. Most agree that they must find “an emotional argument” for the union. One also argues for small signals like changing the name of the Bank of England to the UK Central Bank.
...Generationally and politically the tide appears to be flowing towards independence. Mr Johnson’s temptation will be to smother Scotland with cash, and hope to prevent an SNP majority next year...
...Mr Johnson is drawn to such brinkmanship and sets great store in his political charm, but he knows his Brexit vision has powered the nationalist surge. If Scotland goes, it will be a calamity he has largely visited upon himself. And history will not be kind.
At the time (mid 90s) the Wakefield MMR controversy was all the rage. There was also reports that Gulf War Syndrome was a reaction caused by injecting soldiers with a large number of medicines/vaccines that overwhelmed and damaged their immune systems.
Then you take your child into the GP who tells you that they will be dosing your infant child with 6 vaccines.
I am not surprised that there were anti-vaxxers. When I was confronted with this I said we would take the MMR and come back in a month for the other three. You would have thought I was a murderer. The row got so heated I changed GP.
Well and bravely said.
'Anti-vaxxer' is just another stupid catch all term like 'conspiracy theorist'. Taken to its logical conclusion, it means that you should be prepared to accept any injection into your own body or those of your kids regardless of the level of information you're given, just as the second term indicates that you should accept any Government or corporate line you're given. There are sometimes conspiracies. And it is not beyond the realms of possibility that a vaccine, or combinations of vaccines, one day, could have an unforeseen and negative effect, as so many other medical interventions down the ages have done.
Would it be too much to ask, that the medical establishment looks for the positive in people wanting to make the right health decisions, and seeks to allay people's fears by providing more information, rather than just berating them and inventing names for them?
There was never any realistic chance of agreeing a trade deal with the USA in a Presidential election year. Any serious talk about a trade deal should start next year (hopefully under Biden) with an aim to wrap it up before the Midterms.
No lie. Did you read the quotes, firstly it didn't come from Boris, secondly it used the word "could".
If you improve your literacy maybe you'd be less angry all the time. Same for Pickard, the only lie is swapping the word "could" with "would". Here's something even children should know - those two word have very different meanings.
I could run 100 metres in five seconds.
I only said "could". Please don't hold me to it.
Easy, as long as you don’t care what angle the track is...
Usain Bolt quite likes the idea of running the 100m in five seconds - but is asking: when does "running" end and "falling" start?
This FT opinion piece has received more than 1000 comments. Must be something of a record in recent times. This is a topic that clearly engages an important demographic, and they are not happy bunnies. Johnson is pretty much universally considered to be making a total cluster**** of this issue.
‘Scotland may be the price of Boris Johnson’s place in history’ - UK prime minister will have to fight to save the Union from himself
...Mr Johnson helped cause the problem. The 2014 independence referendum should have killed the issue for a generation. But Brexit, which Scotland voted against, revived it. Scots then saw Mr Johnson topple Theresa May, because her approach prioritised saving the Union...
...He is now discussing a Scottish tour but this might go down as well as a royal progress by the conquering knights of Edward I. Mr Johnson is, in the words of one Unionist, “irredeemably toxic to Scots”.
...One leading unionist observes: “I am very pessimistic. The only real grounds for optimism is that people in London are now very worried and that the cabinet office is getting engaged.” Another adds: “London has now seen what they are dealing with. The SNP are not the Liberal Democrats.”
...UK dealings with the devolved administrations are characterised by an almost colonial mindset and need a rethink. One former Downing Street staffer said: “This is not just about politicians. Whitehall also too often treats the first ministers of Scotland and Wales like regional mayors rather than the leaders of countries.”
...This will only get worse as the US trade talks reach a head. With vocal Scottish opposition to weakening food standards, Mr Johnson may be forced to choose between shoring up the Union and the prize of a US trade deal.
That Unionists are waking up to the danger does not mean they are any closer to finding solutions. Most agree that they must find “an emotional argument” for the union. One also argues for small signals like changing the name of the Bank of England to the UK Central Bank.
...Generationally and politically the tide appears to be flowing towards independence. Mr Johnson’s temptation will be to smother Scotland with cash, and hope to prevent an SNP majority next year...
...Mr Johnson is drawn to such brinkmanship and sets great store in his political charm, but he knows his Brexit vision has powered the nationalist surge. If Scotland goes, it will be a calamity he has largely visited upon himself. And history will not be kind.
So really Brexit has not made that much difference and we know Boris respects the fact 2014 was a 'once in a generation referendum' anyway
45% of Scots did not vote Yes - 45% of those voting did. Which means that your figures are not comparable as you are including DKs. And that Wiki page is out of date, it doesn't include recent polling.
It does include recent polling, no poll this year has had Yes over 50% including don't knows and that goes right up to polling from the last month.
As Quebec showed in 1995 don't knows tend to go No
My slip re recent polling - I was getting polling and publication dates muddled, thanks.
But you are still comparing with and without DKs. If we go your way then No has only 43% in the most recent (Panelbase) poll vs 50% yes and 7% DK. Assuming an equal split of DKs that means (roughly - using mental arithmetic and being generous to No) about 53.5% yes and 46.5% no. Quite a difference from 2014, which is the opposite of what you are suggesting.
There is a political world view driver of the vaccine-is-death loons. Aside from the genuinely paranoid who say its Bill Gates trying to pollute our precious bodily fluids the rest seem prone to being told that vaccines are unnatural and will give you the thing they are designed to stop you getting. The Rona vaccine will be critical both for public health and for the sake of the economy - how do we cajole / persuade force people to have it?
As for Biden, as the DNC are bereft of talent and have had to fall back on someone whose best is not only long behind him but has a funny tinge to it as well they really are in a bind. Hence the Michelle Obama ramping despite that not being sane. Can't they co-opt someone like Tom Hanks if they don't have any politicians?
Am I right in thinking the Daily Mail was prominent in discouraging the use of the MMR vaccine, or is that just my anti-DM prejudice showing through?
Probably the latter! Being anti-MMR was not being anti-vaccination though. I know parents at that time who were worried about the MMR, so paid to have their kids given all the jabs separately. Given "but what if they miss one?" seemed to be the only argument against this route, if it allayed their concerns about any possible unadmitted side-effect, I wouldn't criticise them - as long as all the jabs were in fact administered.
I mean, it's not like Big Pharma would ever lie, is it?
This FT opinion piece has received more than 1000 comments. Must be something of a record in recent times. This is a topic that clearly engages an important demographic, and they are not happy bunnies. Johnson is pretty much universally considered to be making a total cluster**** of this issue.
‘Scotland may be the price of Boris Johnson’s place in history’ - UK prime minister will have to fight to save the Union from himself
...Mr Johnson helped cause the problem. The 2014 independence referendum should have killed the issue for a generation. But Brexit, which Scotland voted against, revived it. Scots then saw Mr Johnson topple Theresa May, because her approach prioritised saving the Union...
...He is now discussing a Scottish tour but this might go down as well as a royal progress by the conquering knights of Edward I. Mr Johnson is, in the words of one Unionist, “irredeemably toxic to Scots”.
...One leading unionist observes: “I am very pessimistic. The only real grounds for optimism is that people in London are now very worried and that the cabinet office is getting engaged.” Another adds: “London has now seen what they are dealing with. The SNP are not the Liberal Democrats.”
...UK dealings with the devolved administrations are characterised by an almost colonial mindset and need a rethink. One former Downing Street staffer said: “This is not just about politicians. Whitehall also too often treats the first ministers of Scotland and Wales like regional mayors rather than the leaders of countries.”
...This will only get worse as the US trade talks reach a head. With vocal Scottish opposition to weakening food standards, Mr Johnson may be forced to choose between shoring up the Union and the prize of a US trade deal.
That Unionists are waking up to the danger does not mean they are any closer to finding solutions. Most agree that they must find “an emotional argument” for the union. One also argues for small signals like changing the name of the Bank of England to the UK Central Bank.
...Generationally and politically the tide appears to be flowing towards independence. Mr Johnson’s temptation will be to smother Scotland with cash, and hope to prevent an SNP majority next year...
...Mr Johnson is drawn to such brinkmanship and sets great store in his political charm, but he knows his Brexit vision has powered the nationalist surge. If Scotland goes, it will be a calamity he has largely visited upon himself. And history will not be kind.
So really Brexit has not made that much difference and we know Boris respects the fact 2014 was a 'once in a generation referendum' anyway
45% of Scots did not vote Yes - 45% of those voting did. Which means that your figures are not comparable as you are including DKs. And that Wiki page is out of date, it doesn't include recent polling.
It does include recent polling, no poll this year has had Yes over 50% including don't knows and that goes right up to polling from the last month.
As Quebec showed in 1995 don't knows tend to go No
My slip re recent polling - I was getting polling and publication dates muddled, thanks.
But you are still comparing with and without DKs. If we go your way then No has only 43% in the most recent (Panelbase) poll vs 50% yes and 7% DK. Assuming an equal split of DKs that means (roughly - using mental arithmetic and being generous to No) about 53.5% yes and 46.5% no. Quite a difference from 2014, which is the opposite of what you are suggesting.
In Quebec in 1995 virtually all the don't knows went No.
Hence despite the fact Yes to independence from Canada led virtually every final poll, No won 51% to 49%
At the time (mid 90s) the Wakefield MMR controversy was all the rage. There was also reports that Gulf War Syndrome was a reaction caused by injecting soldiers with a large number of medicines/vaccines that overwhelmed and damaged their immune systems.
Then you take your child into the GP who tells you that they will be dosing your infant child with 6 vaccines.
I am not surprised that there were anti-vaxxers. When I was confronted with this I said we would take the MMR and come back in a month for the other three. You would have thought I was a murderer. The row got so heated I changed GP.
Well and bravely said.
'Anti-vaxxer' is just another stupid catch all term like 'conspiracy theorist'. Taken to its logical conclusion, it means that you should be prepared to accept any injection into your own body or those of your kids regardless of the level of information you're given, just as the second term indicates that you should accept any Government or corporate line you're given. There are sometimes conspiracies. And it is not beyond the realms of possibility that a vaccine, or combinations of vaccines, one day, could have an unforeseen and negative effect, as so many other medical interventions down the ages have done.
Would it be too much to ask, that the medical establishment looks for the positive in people wanting to make the right health decisions, and seeks to allay people's fears by providing more information, rather than just berating them and inventing names for them?
It wasn't the right decision and you were putting your kids af extra risk. Jabs only get included after huge levels of testing over many years.
Am I right in thinking the Daily Mail was prominent in discouraging the use of the MMR vaccine, or is that just my anti-DM prejudice showing through?
They were prominent advocates of not vaccinating I think, if you need a certificate to prove you’ve had it to do various things (fly, concerts etc) what happens to those who can’t have it, I think being on chemo excludes you although I may be wrong. I’d be buggered and probably would struggle to get travel insurance which will become more necessary across Europe when EHIC goes.
There will probably be some sort of medical exclusion, coupled perhaps with a declaration of self-isolation for 14 days before travel etc. Clumsy, but just about workable.
There was never any realistic chance of agreeing a trade deal with the USA in a Presidential election year. Any serious talk about a trade deal should start next year (hopefully under Biden) with an aim to wrap it up before the Midterms.
No lie. Did you read the quotes, firstly it didn't come from Boris, secondly it used the word "could".
If you improve your literacy maybe you'd be less angry all the time. Same for Pickard, the only lie is swapping the word "could" with "would". Here's something even children should know - those two word have very different meanings.
I could run 100 metres in five seconds.
I only said "could". Please don't hold me to it.
Easy, as long as you don’t care what angle the track is...
Usain Bolt quite likes the idea of running the 100m in five seconds - but is asking: when does "running" end and "falling" start?
Oh this is definitely falling. In fact there better not be too much air resistance.
Unite spending workers money to aid managers in another organisation persecute their workers. Labour apologising in court for claiming its "we've seen anti-semitism" workers were liars Corbyn having the whip removed. A twitter storm and "down with this sort of thing" 2 person Momentum protests from cultists
Telegraph says Government has given up hope of deal. All a ruse like with No Deal last time or are we really headed for oblivion?
Last time wasn't a ruse. We are heading for No Deal with anybody
Covid is a handy cloak to wrap around the aftermath.
I'm more concerned about what No Deal does to the aftermath of Covid.
Compared to the economic effects of COVID, those of Brexit and a potential Scottish Independence are background noise.
The concern is that what would be a relatively small shock, in the wake of COVID might be much amplified.
As a small example, we’ve already lost the chance of the new car and battery factories being planned and built to supply Europe. (The accelerated transition to electric being one of the means by which governments will attempt to revive economies.)
Then he is falsely shouting "fire" in a crowded room. Again.
Consider smallpox. Using cowpox, or its later refinements, may have been the 1st vaccine. It saved millions from death or disfiguration. It's now history.
Or how about polio? I knew people who had to live in an iron lung. My brother had it, but was unaffected after a stay in the hospital. I believe, owing to a benighted core of people, it may still not be eradicated.
I had a case of measles that nearly felled me. Now we have a well tested triple vaccine, but owing to the aforementioned benighted, it still lurks and damages kids.
But, if people will believe the world was created 6000 yeas ago and/or vote for Trump we must acknowledge the limitless malleability of the human brain.
Then he is falsely shouting "fire" in a crowded room. Again.
Consider smallpox. Using cowpox, or its later refinements, may have been the 1st vaccine. It saved millions from death or disfiguration. It's now history.
Or how about polio? I knew people who had to live in an iron lung. My brother had it, but was unaffected after a stay in the hospital. I believe, owing to a benighted core of people, it may still not be eradicated.
I had a case of measles that nearly felled me. Now we have a well tested triple vaccine, but owing to the aforementioned benighted, it still lurks and damages kids.
But, if people will believe the world was created 6000 yeas ago and/or vote for Trump we must acknowledge the limitless malleability of the human brain.
I think it is perhaps because vaccinations have been so successful in some countries that they have a problem. Parents don’t see anyone around with the diseases and think they are using the precautionary principle: there is no risk from the disease (they think) and there is a small risk from the vaccination, so go with the lower risk. It is wrong of course, but I understand the logic they are using.
It doesn’t matter how good your logic is if your premise is wrong.
There was never any realistic chance of agreeing a trade deal with the USA in a Presidential election year. Any serious talk about a trade deal should start next year (hopefully under Biden) with an aim to wrap it up before the Midterms.
No lie. Did you read the quotes, firstly it didn't come from Boris, secondly it used the word "could".
If you improve your literacy maybe you'd be less angry all the time. Same for Pickard, the only lie is swapping the word "could" with "would". Here's something even children should know - those two word have very different meanings.
I could run 100 metres in five seconds.
I only said "could". Please don't hold me to it.
Easy, as long as you don’t care what angle the track is...
Usain Bolt quite likes the idea of running the 100m in five seconds - but is asking: when does "running" end and "falling" start?
Oh this is definitely falling. In fact there better not be too much air resistance.
Then he is falsely shouting "fire" in a crowded room. Again.
Consider smallpox. Using cowpox, or its later refinements, may have been the 1st vaccine. It saved millions from death or disfiguration. It's now history.
Or how about polio? I knew people who had to live in an iron lung. My brother had it, but was unaffected after a stay in the hospital. I believe, owing to a benighted core of people, it may still not be eradicated.
I had a case of measles that nearly felled me. Now we have a well tested triple vaccine, but owing to the aforementioned benighted, it still lurks and damages kids.
But, if people will believe the world was created 6000 yeas ago and/or vote for Trump we must acknowledge the limitless malleability of the human brain.
I think it is perhaps because vaccinations have been so successful in some countries that they have a problem. Parents don’t see anyone around with the diseases and think they are using the precautionary principle: there is no risk from the disease (they think) and there is a small risk from the vaccination, so go with the lower risk. It is wrong of course, but I understand the logic they are using.
It doesn’t matter how good your logic is if your premise is wrong.
I wonder if a subtler variant is also operating with the more sophisticated? The thinking may be, all those fools have had their children vaccinated so we now have herd immunity, I don't need to even risk my child ...
o/t - an interesting perspective of a Cornishman and tourists in the covid era.
Edit: but it also suggests that people are behaving according to their very skewed perceptions of risk - in much the way @Fysics_Teacher suggests for vaccine takeup.
Telegraph says Government has given up hope of deal. All a ruse like with No Deal last time or are we really headed for oblivion?
Last time wasn't a ruse. We are heading for No Deal with anybody
Covid is a handy cloak to wrap around the aftermath.
I'm more concerned about what No Deal does to the aftermath of Covid.
Compared to the economic effects of COVID, those of Brexit and a potential Scottish Independence are background noise.
The concern is that what would be a relatively small shock, in the wake of COVID might be much amplified.
As a small example, we’ve already lost the chance of the new car and battery factories being planned and built to supply Europe. (The accelerated transition to electric being one of the means by which governments will attempt to revive economies.)
There's talk of Tesla building a Gigafactory in Somerset.
There was never any realistic chance of agreeing a trade deal with the USA in a Presidential election year. Any serious talk about a trade deal should start next year (hopefully under Biden) with an aim to wrap it up before the Midterms.
No lie. Did you read the quotes, firstly it didn't come from Boris, secondly it used the word "could".
If you improve your literacy maybe you'd be less angry all the time. Same for Pickard, the only lie is swapping the word "could" with "would". Here's something even children should know - those two word have very different meanings.
I could run 100 metres in five seconds.
I only said "could". Please don't hold me to it.
Easy, as long as you don’t care what angle the track is...
Usain Bolt quite likes the idea of running the 100m in five seconds - but is asking: when does "running" end and "falling" start?
Withdrawing the whip from the man who was leader just three and a half months ago would be quite a move by Starmer and the more squealing there is from Corbyn backers the better it is for the new leader.
Telegraph says Government has given up hope of deal. All a ruse like with No Deal last time or are we really headed for oblivion?
Last time wasn't a ruse. We are heading for No Deal with anybody
Covid is a handy cloak to wrap around the aftermath.
I'm more concerned about what No Deal does to the aftermath of Covid.
Compared to the economic effects of COVID, those of Brexit and a potential Scottish Independence are background noise.
The concern is that what would be a relatively small shock, in the wake of COVID might be much amplified.
As a small example, we’ve already lost the chance of the new car and battery factories being planned and built to supply Europe. (The accelerated transition to electric being one of the means by which governments will attempt to revive economies.)
There's talk of Tesla building a Gigafactory in Somerset.
They might. For now they’re already building one in Germany. Basically we’ve much reduced the chance of next generation equivalents of the Nissan plant in Sunderland
From the Melbourne outbreak: Nearly 90% of cases did not isolate between first feeling symptoms and getting tested 53% of people did not self-isolate while waiting for their results Prompt self-quarantine/isolation is likely more important than wearing masks.
At the time (mid 90s) the Wakefield MMR controversy was all the rage. There was also reports that Gulf War Syndrome was a reaction caused by injecting soldiers with a large number of medicines/vaccines that overwhelmed and damaged their immune systems.
Then you take your child into the GP who tells you that they will be dosing your infant child with 6 vaccines.
I am not surprised that there were anti-vaxxers. When I was confronted with this I said we would take the MMR and come back in a month for the other three. You would have thought I was a murderer. The row got so heated I changed GP.
Well and bravely said.
'Anti-vaxxer' is just another stupid catch all term like 'conspiracy theorist'. Taken to its logical conclusion, it means that you should be prepared to accept any injection into your own body or those of your kids regardless of the level of information you're given, just as the second term indicates that you should accept any Government or corporate line you're given. There are sometimes conspiracies. And it is not beyond the realms of possibility that a vaccine, or combinations of vaccines, one day, could have an unforeseen and negative effect, as so many other medical interventions down the ages have done.
Would it be too much to ask, that the medical establishment looks for the positive in people wanting to make the right health decisions, and seeks to allay people's fears by providing more information, rather than just berating them and inventing names for them?
It wasn't the right decision and you were putting your kids af extra risk. Jabs only get included after huge levels of testing over many years.
That being the case, it should be very easy to provide, and continue to provide, information and evidence to support informed decision making.
It is a bit rich to criticise 'low information voters' and on the other hand, to be scared of providing them with information.
Then he is falsely shouting "fire" in a crowded room. Again.
Consider smallpox. Using cowpox, or its later refinements, may have been the 1st vaccine. It saved millions from death or disfiguration. It's now history.
Or how about polio? I knew people who had to live in an iron lung. My brother had it, but was unaffected after a stay in the hospital. I believe, owing to a benighted core of people, it may still not be eradicated.
I had a case of measles that nearly felled me. Now we have a well tested triple vaccine, but owing to the aforementioned benighted, it still lurks and damages kids.
But, if people will believe the world was created 6000 yeas ago and/or vote for Trump we must acknowledge the limitless malleability of the human brain.
I would love to know what actually happens to these people. It is clearly not just people who are stupid. Wakefield was clearly not an idiot and he is not the only one. We can all think of people in the public eye who have gone full on weird.
When Plato started posting odd stuff I started to follow her on Twitter and then Gab when she got banned from twitter. The stuff was absolutely bonkers. One that springs to mind is the conspiracy theories on CNN broadcasts being faked. The stuff that was identified make the moon landings not happening look positively sane in terms of the effort CNN would have had to put together to fake stuff that didn't need faking.
Yet she didn't post this stuff earlier. It strikes me that it is very similar to cult behaviour, but what makes someone susceptible to a cult?
Telegraph says Government has given up hope of deal. All a ruse like with No Deal last time or are we really headed for oblivion?
Last time wasn't a ruse. We are heading for No Deal with anybody
Covid is a handy cloak to wrap around the aftermath.
I'm more concerned about what No Deal does to the aftermath of Covid.
Compared to the economic effects of COVID, those of Brexit and a potential Scottish Independence are background noise.
The concern is that what would be a relatively small shock, in the wake of COVID might be much amplified.
As a small example, we’ve already lost the chance of the new car and battery factories being planned and built to supply Europe. (The accelerated transition to electric being one of the means by which governments will attempt to revive economies.)
There's talk of Tesla building a Gigafactory in Somerset.
They might. For now they’re already building one in Germany. Basically we’ve much reduced the chance of next generation equivalents of the Nissan plant in Sunderland
We'll need to give pretty big tax subsidies, tbh most of Europe will.
Telegraph says Government has given up hope of deal. All a ruse like with No Deal last time or are we really headed for oblivion?
Last time wasn't a ruse. We are heading for No Deal with anybody
Covid is a handy cloak to wrap around the aftermath.
I'm more concerned about what No Deal does to the aftermath of Covid.
Compared to the economic effects of COVID, those of Brexit and a potential Scottish Independence are background noise.
The concern is that what would be a relatively small shock, in the wake of COVID might be much amplified.
As a small example, we’ve already lost the chance of the new car and battery factories being planned and built to supply Europe. (The accelerated transition to electric being one of the means by which governments will attempt to revive economies.)
There's talk of Tesla building a Gigafactory in Somerset.
They might. For now they’re already building one in Germany. Basically we’ve much reduced the chance of next generation equivalents of the Nissan plant in Sunderland
Each Tesla factory can produce of the order of 500K vehicles per year.
Tesla has to increase production by multiple million vehicles to achieve the gaol of being (say) 20% of world car production.
They have massive capitalisation and (now) huge investment reach - being able to make the Model 3 profitably means that each new factory is more profit.
They have a policy of trying to base production in the geographic areas of sale - the Chinese factory is for sales in China, primarily.
The only question is where the multiple other factories will go.
At the time (mid 90s) the Wakefield MMR controversy was all the rage. There was also reports that Gulf War Syndrome was a reaction caused by injecting soldiers with a large number of medicines/vaccines that overwhelmed and damaged their immune systems.
Then you take your child into the GP who tells you that they will be dosing your infant child with 6 vaccines.
I am not surprised that there were anti-vaxxers. When I was confronted with this I said we would take the MMR and come back in a month for the other three. You would have thought I was a murderer. The row got so heated I changed GP.
Well and bravely said.
'Anti-vaxxer' is just another stupid catch all term like 'conspiracy theorist'. Taken to its logical conclusion, it means that you should be prepared to accept any injection into your own body or those of your kids regardless of the level of information you're given, just as the second term indicates that you should accept any Government or corporate line you're given. There are sometimes conspiracies. And it is not beyond the realms of possibility that a vaccine, or combinations of vaccines, one day, could have an unforeseen and negative effect, as so many other medical interventions down the ages have done.
Would it be too much to ask, that the medical establishment looks for the positive in people wanting to make the right health decisions, and seeks to allay people's fears by providing more information, rather than just berating them and inventing names for them?
It wasn't the right decision and you were putting your kids af extra risk. Jabs only get included after huge levels of testing over many years.
That being the case, it should be very easy to provide, and continue to provide, information and evidence to support informed decision making.
It is a bit rich to criticise 'low information voters' and on the other hand, to be scared of providing them with information.
I think we can agree on the inadequacy of government messaging.
In the article mentioned, he does not claim coronavirus is a hoax. He is a 'no worse than seasonal flu' guy. That is obviously subject to its own criticism, but it's not quite the same.
Then he is falsely shouting "fire" in a crowded room. Again.
Consider smallpox. Using cowpox, or its later refinements, may have been the 1st vaccine. It saved millions from death or disfiguration. It's now history.
Or how about polio? I knew people who had to live in an iron lung. My brother had it, but was unaffected after a stay in the hospital. I believe, owing to a benighted core of people, it may still not be eradicated.
I had a case of measles that nearly felled me. Now we have a well tested triple vaccine, but owing to the aforementioned benighted, it still lurks and damages kids.
But, if people will believe the world was created 6000 yeas ago and/or vote for Trump we must acknowledge the limitless malleability of the human brain.
I would love to know what actually happens to these people. It is clearly not just people who are stupid. Wakefield was clearly not an idiot and he is not the only one. We can all think of people in the public eye who have gone full on weird.
When Plato started posting odd stuff I started to follow her on Twitter and then Gab when she got banned from twitter. The stuff was absolutely bonkers. One that springs to mind is the conspiracy theories on CNN broadcasts being faked. The stuff that was identified make the moon landings not happening look positively sane in terms of the effort CNN would have had to put together to fake stuff that didn't need faking.
Yet she didn't post this stuff earlier. It strikes me that it is very similar to cult behaviour, but what makes someone susceptible to a cult?
In schools, if not also at home, kids should be taught literacy, numeracy and scepticism. If I were a school teacher I'd give 'em an article once a week to criticise. And maybe I'd build on that in other ways.
As Harry Truman might say: "I'm from Missouri show me".
Telegraph says Government has given up hope of deal. All a ruse like with No Deal last time or are we really headed for oblivion?
Last time wasn't a ruse. We are heading for No Deal with anybody
Covid is a handy cloak to wrap around the aftermath.
I'm more concerned about what No Deal does to the aftermath of Covid.
Compared to the economic effects of COVID, those of Brexit and a potential Scottish Independence are background noise.
The concern is that what would be a relatively small shock, in the wake of COVID might be much amplified.
As a small example, we’ve already lost the chance of the new car and battery factories being planned and built to supply Europe. (The accelerated transition to electric being one of the means by which governments will attempt to revive economies.)
There's talk of Tesla building a Gigafactory in Somerset.
At the time (mid 90s) the Wakefield MMR controversy was all the rage. There was also reports that Gulf War Syndrome was a reaction caused by injecting soldiers with a large number of medicines/vaccines that overwhelmed and damaged their immune systems.
Then you take your child into the GP who tells you that they will be dosing your infant child with 6 vaccines.
I am not surprised that there were anti-vaxxers. When I was confronted with this I said we would take the MMR and come back in a month for the other three. You would have thought I was a murderer. The row got so heated I changed GP.
Well and bravely said.
'Anti-vaxxer' is just another stupid catch all term like 'conspiracy theorist'. Taken to its logical conclusion, it means that you should be prepared to accept any injection into your own body or those of your kids regardless of the level of information you're given, just as the second term indicates that you should accept any Government or corporate line you're given. There are sometimes conspiracies. And it is not beyond the realms of possibility that a vaccine, or combinations of vaccines, one day, could have an unforeseen and negative effect, as so many other medical interventions down the ages have done.
Would it be too much to ask, that the medical establishment looks for the positive in people wanting to make the right health decisions, and seeks to allay people's fears by providing more information, rather than just berating them and inventing names for them?
My GP did the vaccines, for our children, over a few weeks. She said that it seemed like a logical way to do it, since any reaction to a particular shot would have time to show up and be noted.
Telegraph says Government has given up hope of deal. All a ruse like with No Deal last time or are we really headed for oblivion?
Last time wasn't a ruse. We are heading for No Deal with anybody
Covid is a handy cloak to wrap around the aftermath.
I'm more concerned about what No Deal does to the aftermath of Covid.
Compared to the economic effects of COVID, those of Brexit and a potential Scottish Independence are background noise.
The concern is that what would be a relatively small shock, in the wake of COVID might be much amplified.
As a small example, we’ve already lost the chance of the new car and battery factories being planned and built to supply Europe. (The accelerated transition to electric being one of the means by which governments will attempt to revive economies.)
There's talk of Tesla building a Gigafactory in Somerset.
Talk is cheap - especially when you are seeking favours...
I doubt they'll get any favours without actually building the factory.
The Department for International Trade has confirmed it is assisting in locating a suitable site for the factory but not confirmed who is behind it (assumed to be Tesla).
Then he is falsely shouting "fire" in a crowded room. Again.
Consider smallpox. Using cowpox, or its later refinements, may have been the 1st vaccine. It saved millions from death or disfiguration. It's now history.
Or how about polio? I knew people who had to live in an iron lung. My brother had it, but was unaffected after a stay in the hospital. I believe, owing to a benighted core of people, it may still not be eradicated.
I had a case of measles that nearly felled me. Now we have a well tested triple vaccine, but owing to the aforementioned benighted, it still lurks and damages kids.
But, if people will believe the world was created 6000 yeas ago and/or vote for Trump we must acknowledge the limitless malleability of the human brain.
I would love to know what actually happens to these people. It is clearly not just people who are stupid. Wakefield was clearly not an idiot and he is not the only one. We can all think of people in the public eye who have gone full on weird.
When Plato started posting odd stuff I started to follow her on Twitter and then Gab when she got banned from twitter. The stuff was absolutely bonkers. One that springs to mind is the conspiracy theories on CNN broadcasts being faked. The stuff that was identified make the moon landings not happening look positively sane in terms of the effort CNN would have had to put together to fake stuff that didn't need faking.
Yet she didn't post this stuff earlier. It strikes me that it is very similar to cult behaviour, but what makes someone susceptible to a cult?
Wakefield is easy. He held the patent to one of the "single vaccines" that could be used to replace MMR as three separate single vaccinations. If the MMR jab could be discredited, he would make a fortune. It didn't work, he got discredited, the anti-vaxxers provided him a refuge and decent income, so he began giving them exactly what they asked for. It made him (in)famous, provided him with a model girlfriend, a steady and good income, and tenure in a crackpot university.
Honestly, I don't understand people not going to get it ASAP. It's the ticket back to normal living and pubs being open fully, bars being open and even being able to have club nights.
In the article mentioned, he does not claim coronavirus is a hoax. He is a 'no worse than seasonal flu' guy. That is obviously subject to its own criticism, but it's not quite the same.
The article does say that the death figures are being exaggerated. It does seem to me that PHE are just guessing figures at the moment. Yesterday's number was just bizzare.
Telegraph says Government has given up hope of deal. All a ruse like with No Deal last time or are we really headed for oblivion?
Last time wasn't a ruse. We are heading for No Deal with anybody
Covid is a handy cloak to wrap around the aftermath.
I'm more concerned about what No Deal does to the aftermath of Covid.
Compared to the economic effects of COVID, those of Brexit and a potential Scottish Independence are background noise.
The concern is that what would be a relatively small shock, in the wake of COVID might be much amplified.
As a small example, we’ve already lost the chance of the new car and battery factories being planned and built to supply Europe. (The accelerated transition to electric being one of the means by which governments will attempt to revive economies.)
There's talk of Tesla building a Gigafactory in Somerset.
They might. For now they’re already building one in Germany. Basically we’ve much reduced the chance of next generation equivalents of the Nissan plant in Sunderland
Each Tesla factory can produce of the order of 500K vehicles per year.
Tesla has to increase production by multiple million vehicles to achieve the gaol of being (say) 20% of world car production.
They have massive capitalisation and (now) huge investment reach - being able to make the Model 3 profitably means that each new factory is more profit.
They have a policy of trying to base production in the geographic areas of sale - the Chinese factory is for sales in China, primarily.
The only question is where the multiple other factories will go.
The last time I looked up the numbers, a factory the size of Nissan Sunderland (current largest UK car plant) would supply only 10% of annual UK car sales. So if Tesla want 20% of the market, they'll need a factory double the size of the current largest one just to satisfy domestic UK demand.
UK also has the advantage of being the world's second largest RHD market - concentrating all RHD production in two or three factories (UK, JP, AU or SA) also allows for extra efficiencies in all the others.
Oh and on topic I'm surprised that so many young people would agree to have a vaccine which is a near enough wholly altruistic action.
Perhaps if it came to it they would (cf voting) forget to do it.
You may be on to something there. A lot of people under 50 are extremely pissed off with people over 50, because of eg. Brexit. “Forgetting” to take a vaccine might be their little private protest against older people “forgetting” about the interests of younger people.
If an oldie has had the vaccine how does youngsters not having it affect them? If you have the vaccine does it matter what anyone else does? Perhaps I am missing something here.
Withdrawing the whip from the man who was leader just three and a half months ago would be quite a move by Starmer and the more squealing there is from Corbyn backers the better it is for the new leader.
If Starmer is lucky a few others, like Burgon, will resign the whip in protest.
And yet we're rewarding them with inflation busting pay rises. Rewards for their failure and destroying the education of millions of children because the unions decided to hold the nation to ransom.
It's time for the government to order them back to work fully in mid August and get all children back to school.
School closures were not just about the teachers rottenborough.
Pre-closure I was getting crowded into a stuffed crowd of parents and grandparents waiting to pick up kids at 3:30.
Post-reopening until they closed for the summer last week its been completely different. Only a few classes reopened of course, staggered start and leave times, smaller classes and using different gates and social distances for each class at pick up and drop off times which were extended to encourage distancing..
Honestly, I don't understand people not going to get it ASAP. It's the ticket back to normal living and pubs being open fully, bars being open and even being able to have club nights.
Yep. I've not been on a plane since January, both BA and Emirates are going to reply with 'who?' the next time I call them - whenever that happens to be.
Concerts, bars and clubs are all only going back to normal once this disease is pretty much gone, and vaccines offer the best chance of that happening sooner rather than later.
Withdrawing the whip from the man who was leader just three and a half months ago would be quite a move by Starmer and the more squealing there is from Corbyn backers the better it is for the new leader.
Telegraph says Government has given up hope of deal. All a ruse like with No Deal last time or are we really headed for oblivion?
Last time wasn't a ruse. We are heading for No Deal with anybody
Covid is a handy cloak to wrap around the aftermath.
I'm more concerned about what No Deal does to the aftermath of Covid.
Compared to the economic effects of COVID, those of Brexit and a potential Scottish Independence are background noise.
The concern is that what would be a relatively small shock, in the wake of COVID might be much amplified.
As a small example, we’ve already lost the chance of the new car and battery factories being planned and built to supply Europe. (The accelerated transition to electric being one of the means by which governments will attempt to revive economies.)
There's talk of Tesla building a Gigafactory in Somerset.
Talk is cheap - especially when you are seeking favours...
I doubt they'll get any favours without actually building the factory.
The Department for International Trade has confirmed it is assisting in locating a suitable site for the factory but not confirmed who is behind it (assumed to be Tesla).
All the existing (and planned) Tesla factories, US, China & Germany got favours from the respective governments (national and local).
These were all contingent on actually building the factories and operating them - tax breaks etc.
At the time (mid 90s) the Wakefield MMR controversy was all the rage. There was also reports that Gulf War Syndrome was a reaction caused by injecting soldiers with a large number of medicines/vaccines that overwhelmed and damaged their immune systems.
Then you take your child into the GP who tells you that they will be dosing your infant child with 6 vaccines.
I am not surprised that there were anti-vaxxers. When I was confronted with this I said we would take the MMR and come back in a month for the other three. You would have thought I was a murderer. The row got so heated I changed GP.
Well and bravely said.
'Anti-vaxxer' is just another stupid catch all term like 'conspiracy theorist'. Taken to its logical conclusion, it means that you should be prepared to accept any injection into your own body or those of your kids regardless of the level of information you're given, just as the second term indicates that you should accept any Government or corporate line you're given. There are sometimes conspiracies. And it is not beyond the realms of possibility that a vaccine, or combinations of vaccines, one day, could have an unforeseen and negative effect, as so many other medical interventions down the ages have done.
Would it be too much to ask, that the medical establishment looks for the positive in people wanting to make the right health decisions, and seeks to allay people's fears by providing more information, rather than just berating them and inventing names for them?
It wasn't the right decision and you were putting your kids af extra risk. Jabs only get included after huge levels of testing over many years.
Re-read my original post Mike - at the time the MMR (the one she jabbed my daughter with that very day) was the centre of a vaccine controversy. Medicines have gone wrong before - when I was a kid I came across Thalidomide children. That was a "safe" drug and it still happens - another drug "safe" enough for human trials...
Then he is falsely shouting "fire" in a crowded room. Again.
Consider smallpox. Using cowpox, or its later refinements, may have been the 1st vaccine. It saved millions from death or disfiguration. It's now history.
Or how about polio? I knew people who had to live in an iron lung. My brother had it, but was unaffected after a stay in the hospital. I believe, owing to a benighted core of people, it may still not be eradicated.
I had a case of measles that nearly felled me. Now we have a well tested triple vaccine, but owing to the aforementioned benighted, it still lurks and damages kids.
But, if people will believe the world was created 6000 yeas ago and/or vote for Trump we must acknowledge the limitless malleability of the human brain.
I would love to know what actually happens to these people. It is clearly not just people who are stupid. Wakefield was clearly not an idiot and he is not the only one. We can all think of people in the public eye who have gone full on weird.
When Plato started posting odd stuff I started to follow her on Twitter and then Gab when she got banned from twitter. The stuff was absolutely bonkers. One that springs to mind is the conspiracy theories on CNN broadcasts being faked. The stuff that was identified make the moon landings not happening look positively sane in terms of the effort CNN would have had to put together to fake stuff that didn't need faking.
Yet she didn't post this stuff earlier. It strikes me that it is very similar to cult behaviour, but what makes someone susceptible to a cult?
In schools, if not also at home, kids should be taught literacy, numeracy and scepticism. If I were a school teacher I'd give 'em an article once a week to criticise. And maybe I'd build on that in other ways.
As Harry Truman might say: "I'm from Missouri show me".
I think that is very sensible, but something happens at some point to certain people who do actually challenge stuff but in ludicrous ways (find bizarre reasons to negate evidence eg the CNN stuff) yet accept stuff that is clearly demonstrably nonsense.
There is challenging and challenging. How do you respond to someone who says 'show me it wasn't the lizards that did it'
40 odd years ago (it is that much printed on my mind) I was waiting to meet up with a girlfriend on Tottenham Court Road when I was approached by someone doing a survey. I was early so said ok. We went into a shop front where many were doing the survey. Afterwards there was an interview. At this point it became obvious this was a conversion exercise into some sort of cult/con. I was so angry I let rip and stormed out. I was also angry with myself that I got suckered in to it to that point, although there was nothing to suggest it was a cult/con until the interview when it became obvious very quickly. I wondered how often they were successful.
Oh and on topic I'm surprised that so many young people would agree to have a vaccine which is a near enough wholly altruistic action.
Perhaps if it came to it they would (cf voting) forget to do it.
You may be on to something there. A lot of people under 50 are extremely pissed off with people over 50, because of eg. Brexit. “Forgetting” to take a vaccine might be their little private protest against older people “forgetting” about the interests of younger people.
If an oldie has had the vaccine how does youngsters not having it affect them? If you have the vaccine does it matter what anyone else does? Perhaps I am missing something here.
Yes. Two things.
1: Vaccines don't have a 100% success rate normally and may fail for an individual. 2: Not all individuals are able to have a vaccine, eg if they're immunocompromised and thus especially vulnerable.
This is why because of idiots refusing to get the MMR jab increasing numbers of children are getting Measles etc . . . because the vaccine works through two different mechanisms, firstly protecting the individual from getting it the vast majority of the time and secondly by creating a herd immunity effect so that even those who can't get it (or it doesn't work for) are protected too.
And yet we're rewarding them with inflation busting pay rises. Rewards for their failure and destroying the education of millions of children because the unions decided to hold the nation to ransom.
It's time for the government to order them back to work fully in mid August and get all children back to school.
At my nephews school, the start of term in September is being delayed by two days for two Inset days
Telegraph says Government has given up hope of deal. All a ruse like with No Deal last time or are we really headed for oblivion?
Last time wasn't a ruse. We are heading for No Deal with anybody
Covid is a handy cloak to wrap around the aftermath.
I'm more concerned about what No Deal does to the aftermath of Covid.
Compared to the economic effects of COVID, those of Brexit and a potential Scottish Independence are background noise.
The concern is that what would be a relatively small shock, in the wake of COVID might be much amplified.
As a small example, we’ve already lost the chance of the new car and battery factories being planned and built to supply Europe. (The accelerated transition to electric being one of the means by which governments will attempt to revive economies.)
There's talk of Tesla building a Gigafactory in Somerset.
Talk is cheap - especially when you are seeking favours...
If Tesla is to achieve its mission: "Tesla’s mission is to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy" it will need factories in all the major markets. The reason the UK wasn't in line for the European Gigafactory was explained by Elon Musk in that article: "Musk previously stated that Tesla looked at the UK for a possible factory location before choosing to build its first European Gigafactory near Berlin, but they thought it “too risky to put a Gigafactory in the UK” due to “Brexit uncertainty”.
The west country location may not be a full GigaFactory, but hopefully we'll get something. From that article: "It’s just hard to believe that Tesla would be looking for another factory in Europe even though they barely started construction on their first one near Berlin.
But with the UK government desperate to boost the economy after the pandemic, Tesla might be getting a sweet incentive package to land a factory in the UK.
We also recently learned that Tesla has applied to virtually become an electric utility in the UK, which could mean that they plan to expand Tesla Energy in the market."
Telegraph says Government has given up hope of deal. All a ruse like with No Deal last time or are we really headed for oblivion?
Last time wasn't a ruse. We are heading for No Deal with anybody
Covid is a handy cloak to wrap around the aftermath.
I'm more concerned about what No Deal does to the aftermath of Covid.
Compared to the economic effects of COVID, those of Brexit and a potential Scottish Independence are background noise.
The concern is that what would be a relatively small shock, in the wake of COVID might be much amplified.
As a small example, we’ve already lost the chance of the new car and battery factories being planned and built to supply Europe. (The accelerated transition to electric being one of the means by which governments will attempt to revive economies.)
There's talk of Tesla building a Gigafactory in Somerset.
Talk is cheap - especially when you are seeking favours...
I doubt they'll get any favours without actually building the factory.
The Department for International Trade has confirmed it is assisting in locating a suitable site for the factory but not confirmed who is behind it (assumed to be Tesla).
All the existing (and planned) Tesla factories, US, China & Germany got favours from the respective governments (national and local).
These were all contingent on actually building the factories and operating them - tax breaks etc.
Of course!
Hard to imagine what kind of favours they could possibly get if they didn't build and operate the factory. Tax breaks on a factory that doesn't exists is a bit . . . hard to explain.
Its not like the government is writing a cheque and then they're going to vanish into the night like some cowboy builder.
Then he is falsely shouting "fire" in a crowded room. Again.
Consider smallpox. Using cowpox, or its later refinements, may have been the 1st vaccine. It saved millions from death or disfiguration. It's now history.
Or how about polio? I knew people who had to live in an iron lung. My brother had it, but was unaffected after a stay in the hospital. I believe, owing to a benighted core of people, it may still not be eradicated.
I had a case of measles that nearly felled me. Now we have a well tested triple vaccine, but owing to the aforementioned benighted, it still lurks and damages kids.
But, if people will believe the world was created 6000 yeas ago and/or vote for Trump we must acknowledge the limitless malleability of the human brain.
I would love to know what actually happens to these people. It is clearly not just people who are stupid. Wakefield was clearly not an idiot and he is not the only one. We can all think of people in the public eye who have gone full on weird.
When Plato started posting odd stuff I started to follow her on Twitter and then Gab when she got banned from twitter. The stuff was absolutely bonkers. One that springs to mind is the conspiracy theories on CNN broadcasts being faked. The stuff that was identified make the moon landings not happening look positively sane in terms of the effort CNN would have had to put together to fake stuff that didn't need faking.
Yet she didn't post this stuff earlier. It strikes me that it is very similar to cult behaviour, but what makes someone susceptible to a cult?
Wakefield is easy. He held the patent to one of the "single vaccines" that could be used to replace MMR as three separate single vaccinations. If the MMR jab could be discredited, he would make a fortune. It didn't work, he got discredited, the anti-vaxxers provided him a refuge and decent income, so he began giving them exactly what they asked for. It made him (in)famous, provided him with a model girlfriend, a steady and good income, and tenure in a crackpot university.
So you are saying he is corrupt and not a crackpot. If so he should be in jail and not just struck off.
Then he is falsely shouting "fire" in a crowded room. Again.
Consider smallpox. Using cowpox, or its later refinements, may have been the 1st vaccine. It saved millions from death or disfiguration. It's now history.
Or how about polio? I knew people who had to live in an iron lung. My brother had it, but was unaffected after a stay in the hospital. I believe, owing to a benighted core of people, it may still not be eradicated.
I had a case of measles that nearly felled me. Now we have a well tested triple vaccine, but owing to the aforementioned benighted, it still lurks and damages kids.
But, if people will believe the world was created 6000 yeas ago and/or vote for Trump we must acknowledge the limitless malleability of the human brain.
I would love to know what actually happens to these people. It is clearly not just people who are stupid. Wakefield was clearly not an idiot and he is not the only one. We can all think of people in the public eye who have gone full on weird.
When Plato started posting odd stuff I started to follow her on Twitter and then Gab when she got banned from twitter. The stuff was absolutely bonkers. One that springs to mind is the conspiracy theories on CNN broadcasts being faked. The stuff that was identified make the moon landings not happening look positively sane in terms of the effort CNN would have had to put together to fake stuff that didn't need faking.
Yet she didn't post this stuff earlier. It strikes me that it is very similar to cult behaviour, but what makes someone susceptible to a cult?
In schools, if not also at home, kids should be taught literacy, numeracy and scepticism. If I were a school teacher I'd give 'em an article once a week to criticise. And maybe I'd build on that in other ways.
As Harry Truman might say: "I'm from Missouri show me".
I think that is very sensible, but something happens at some point to certain people who do actually challenge stuff but in ludicrous ways (find bizarre reasons to negate evidence eg the CNN stuff) yet accept stuff that is clearly demonstrably nonsense.
There is challenging and challenging. How do you respond to someone who says 'show me it wasn't the lizards that did it'
40 odd years ago (it is that much printed on my mind) I was waiting to meet up with a girlfriend on Tottenham Court Road when I was approached by someone doing a survey. I was early so said ok. We went into a shop front where many were doing the survey. Afterwards there was an interview. At this point it became obvious this was a conversion exercise into some sort of cult/con. I was so angry I let rip and stormed out. I was also angry with myself that I got suckered in to it to that point, although there was nothing to suggest it was a cult/con until the interview when it became obvious very quickly. I wondered how often they were successful.
Telegraph says Government has given up hope of deal. All a ruse like with No Deal last time or are we really headed for oblivion?
Last time wasn't a ruse. We are heading for No Deal with anybody
Covid is a handy cloak to wrap around the aftermath.
I'm more concerned about what No Deal does to the aftermath of Covid.
Compared to the economic effects of COVID, those of Brexit and a potential Scottish Independence are background noise.
The concern is that what would be a relatively small shock, in the wake of COVID might be much amplified.
As a small example, we’ve already lost the chance of the new car and battery factories being planned and built to supply Europe. (The accelerated transition to electric being one of the means by which governments will attempt to revive economies.)
There's talk of Tesla building a Gigafactory in Somerset.
Talk is cheap - especially when you are seeking favours...
If Tesla is to achieve its mission: "Tesla’s mission is to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy" it will need factories in all the major markets. The reason the UK wasn't in line for the European Gigafactory was explained by Elon Musk in that article: "Musk previously stated that Tesla looked at the UK for a possible factory location before choosing to build its first European Gigafactory near Berlin, but they thought it “too risky to put a Gigafactory in the UK” due to “Brexit uncertainty”.
The west country location may not be a full GigaFactory, but hopefully we'll get something. From that article: "It’s just hard to believe that Tesla would be looking for another factory in Europe even though they barely started construction on their first one near Berlin.
But with the UK government desperate to boost the economy after the pandemic, Tesla might be getting a sweet incentive package to land a factory in the UK.
We also recently learned that Tesla has applied to virtually become an electric utility in the UK, which could mean that they plan to expand Tesla Energy in the market."
The UK market was 2.3 million cars last year. So 10-20% of that would require an entire Gigafactory to supply.
I'm actually quite encouraged by the numbers in the survey - if the DKs break 50:50 then that is quite close to being enough across the board. If they can be reached - though I can see the benefit of a legal requirement to take it unless medical advice can be demonstrated showing a valid reason for not doing so.
If we are having compulsory masks, then I have no problem with an effective vaccine being compulsory on this occasion.
I would put refuseniks into two or three groups - older groups such as some religious (cf history of Polio Vaccine campaign in some areas of Africa), newer groups such as those Jehoveh's Witnesses who follow their pre-1992 anti-vaccine doctrines and fashionable far-East based cults, and those who have swallowed media-stuff (reporting Wakefield / Icke) or emanations from more reckless celebrities.
It can be quite interesting talking to PHE people about public health challenges in the areas of the countryside where NRMs (New Religious Movements) have their rural retreats.
Telegraph says Government has given up hope of deal. All a ruse like with No Deal last time or are we really headed for oblivion?
Last time wasn't a ruse. We are heading for No Deal with anybody
Covid is a handy cloak to wrap around the aftermath.
I'm more concerned about what No Deal does to the aftermath of Covid.
Compared to the economic effects of COVID, those of Brexit and a potential Scottish Independence are background noise.
The concern is that what would be a relatively small shock, in the wake of COVID might be much amplified.
As a small example, we’ve already lost the chance of the new car and battery factories being planned and built to supply Europe. (The accelerated transition to electric being one of the means by which governments will attempt to revive economies.)
There's talk of Tesla building a Gigafactory in Somerset.
They might. For now they’re already building one in Germany. Basically we’ve much reduced the chance of next generation equivalents of the Nissan plant in Sunderland
No we've not. Germany were always favourites to get the first factory with or without Brexit, their manufacturing and car industry is much greater developed than ours.
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https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1285824588010737665
If you improve your literacy maybe you'd be less angry all the time. Same for Pickard, the only lie is swapping the word "could" with "would". Here's something even children should know - those two word have very different meanings.
I only said "could". Please don't hold me to it.
As Quebec showed in 1995 don't knows tend to go No
Pennsylvania 49.6 42.0 +7.5
'Anti-vaxxer' is just another stupid catch all term like 'conspiracy theorist'. Taken to its logical conclusion, it means that you should be prepared to accept any injection into your own body or those of your kids regardless of the level of information you're given, just as the second term indicates that you should accept any Government or corporate line you're given. There are sometimes conspiracies. And it is not beyond the realms of possibility that a vaccine, or combinations of vaccines, one day, could have an unforeseen and negative effect, as so many other medical interventions down the ages have done.
Would it be too much to ask, that the medical establishment looks for the positive in people wanting to make the right health decisions, and seeks to allay people's fears by providing more information, rather than just berating them and inventing names for them?
My slip re recent polling - I was getting polling and publication dates muddled, thanks.
But you are still comparing with and without DKs. If we go your way then No has only 43% in the most recent (Panelbase) poll vs 50% yes and 7% DK. Assuming an equal split of DKs that means (roughly - using mental arithmetic and being generous to No) about 53.5% yes and 46.5% no. Quite a difference from 2014, which is the opposite of what you are suggesting.
As for Biden, as the DNC are bereft of talent and have had to fall back on someone whose best is not only long behind him but has a funny tinge to it as well they really are in a bind. Hence the Michelle Obama ramping despite that not being sane. Can't they co-opt someone like Tom Hanks if they don't have any politicians?
I mean, it's not like Big Pharma would ever lie, is it?
Hence despite the fact Yes to independence from Canada led virtually every final poll, No won 51% to 49%
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12149075/andrew-wakefield-claiming-coronavirus-is-a-hoax/
Labour apologising in court for claiming its "we've seen anti-semitism" workers were liars
Corbyn having the whip removed.
A twitter storm and "down with this sort of thing" 2 person Momentum protests from cultists
Loving this new series of the Thick of It
As a small example, we’ve already lost the chance of the new car and battery factories being planned and built to supply Europe.
(The accelerated transition to electric being one of the means by which governments will attempt to revive economies.)
Consider smallpox. Using cowpox, or its later refinements, may have been the 1st vaccine. It saved millions from death or disfiguration. It's now history.
Or how about polio? I knew people who had to live in an iron lung. My brother had it, but was unaffected after a stay in the hospital. I believe, owing to a benighted core of people, it may still not be eradicated.
I had a case of measles that nearly felled me. Now we have a well tested triple vaccine, but owing to the aforementioned benighted, it still lurks and damages kids.
But, if people will believe the world was created 6000 yeas ago and/or vote for Trump we must acknowledge the limitless malleability of the human brain.
It doesn’t matter how good your logic is if your premise is wrong.
o/t - an interesting perspective of a Cornishman and tourists in the covid era.
Edit: but it also suggests that people are behaving according to their very skewed perceptions of risk - in much the way @Fysics_Teacher suggests for vaccine takeup.
https://electrek.co/2020/06/09/tesla-uk-factory-rumor-gain-traction-elon-musk/
(Great pub quiz question by the way, it's not what most people think it should be).
Average 100m speed 9.21s, including Carter who had to do the standing start. Bolt did 8.70s for his 100m (the last 100m of a 110m run).
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m4x100ok.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwLDpcye-VM
For now they’re already building one in Germany.
Basically we’ve much reduced the chance of next generation equivalents of the Nissan plant in Sunderland
Nearly 90% of cases did not isolate between first feeling symptoms and getting tested
53% of people did not self-isolate while waiting for their results
Prompt self-quarantine/isolation is likely more important than wearing masks.
It is a bit rich to criticise 'low information voters' and on the other hand, to be scared of providing them with information.
When Plato started posting odd stuff I started to follow her on Twitter and then Gab when she got banned from twitter. The stuff was absolutely bonkers. One that springs to mind is the conspiracy theories on CNN broadcasts being faked. The stuff that was identified make the moon landings not happening look positively sane in terms of the effort CNN would have had to put together to fake stuff that didn't need faking.
Yet she didn't post this stuff earlier. It strikes me that it is very similar to cult behaviour, but what makes someone susceptible to a cult?
Tesla has to increase production by multiple million vehicles to achieve the gaol of being (say) 20% of world car production.
They have massive capitalisation and (now) huge investment reach - being able to make the Model 3 profitably means that each new factory is more profit.
They have a policy of trying to base production in the geographic areas of sale - the Chinese factory is for sales in China, primarily.
The only question is where the multiple other factories will go.
As
Harry Truman might say: "I'm from Missouri show me".
The Department for International Trade has confirmed it is assisting in locating a suitable site for the factory but not confirmed who is behind it (assumed to be Tesla).
He held the patent to one of the "single vaccines" that could be used to replace MMR as three separate single vaccinations.
If the MMR jab could be discredited, he would make a fortune. It didn't work, he got discredited, the anti-vaxxers provided him a refuge and decent income, so he began giving them exactly what they asked for. It made him (in)famous, provided him with a model girlfriend, a steady and good income, and tenure in a crackpot university.
They are already reportedly covering the costs of the Skwawkbox - Anna Turley libel case to the possible tune of 7 figures.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/19/ex-labour-mp-anna-turley-awarded-libel-damages-over-union-story
Is this ultra vires for a Trade Union?
UK also has the advantage of being the world's second largest RHD market - concentrating all RHD production in two or three factories (UK, JP, AU or SA) also allows for extra efficiencies in all the others.
It's time for the government to order them back to work fully in mid August and get all children back to school.
Pre-closure I was getting crowded into a stuffed crowd of parents and grandparents waiting to pick up kids at 3:30.
Post-reopening until they closed for the summer last week its been completely different. Only a few classes reopened of course, staggered start and leave times, smaller classes and using different gates and social distances for each class at pick up and drop off times which were extended to encourage distancing..
Concerts, bars and clubs are all only going back to normal once this disease is pretty much gone, and vaccines offer the best chance of that happening sooner rather than later.
These were all contingent on actually building the factories and operating them - tax breaks etc.
Ohio poll is very good for Biden particularly as it is Rasmussen.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22556736
There is challenging and challenging. How do you respond to someone who says 'show me it wasn't the lizards that did it'
40 odd years ago (it is that much printed on my mind) I was waiting to meet up with a girlfriend on Tottenham Court Road when I was approached by someone doing a survey. I was early so said ok. We went into a shop front where many were doing the survey. Afterwards there was an interview. At this point it became obvious this was a conversion exercise into some sort of cult/con. I was so angry I let rip and stormed out. I was also angry with myself that I got suckered in to it to that point, although there was nothing to suggest it was a cult/con until the interview when it became obvious very quickly. I wondered how often they were successful.
1: Vaccines don't have a 100% success rate normally and may fail for an individual.
2: Not all individuals are able to have a vaccine, eg if they're immunocompromised and thus especially vulnerable.
This is why because of idiots refusing to get the MMR jab increasing numbers of children are getting Measles etc . . . because the vaccine works through two different mechanisms, firstly protecting the individual from getting it the vast majority of the time and secondly by creating a herd immunity effect so that even those who can't get it (or it doesn't work for) are protected too.
"Tesla’s mission is to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy"
it will need factories in all the major markets.
The reason the UK wasn't in line for the European Gigafactory was explained by Elon Musk in that article:
"Musk previously stated that Tesla looked at the UK for a possible factory location before choosing to build its first European Gigafactory near Berlin, but they thought it “too risky to put a Gigafactory in the UK” due to “Brexit uncertainty”.
The west country location may not be a full GigaFactory, but hopefully we'll get something. From that article:
"It’s just hard to believe that Tesla would be looking for another factory in Europe even though they barely started construction on their first one near Berlin.
But with the UK government desperate to boost the economy after the pandemic, Tesla might be getting a sweet incentive package to land a factory in the UK.
We also recently learned that Tesla has applied to virtually become an electric utility in the UK, which could mean that they plan to expand Tesla Energy in the market."
Hard to imagine what kind of favours they could possibly get if they didn't build and operate the factory. Tax breaks on a factory that doesn't exists is a bit . . . hard to explain.
Its not like the government is writing a cheque and then they're going to vanish into the night like some cowboy builder.
If we are having compulsory masks, then I have no problem with an effective vaccine being compulsory on this occasion.
I would put refuseniks into two or three groups - older groups such as some religious (cf history of Polio Vaccine campaign in some areas of Africa), newer groups such as those Jehoveh's Witnesses who follow their pre-1992 anti-vaccine doctrines and fashionable far-East based cults, and those who have swallowed media-stuff (reporting Wakefield / Icke) or emanations from more reckless celebrities.
It can be quite interesting talking to PHE people about public health challenges in the areas of the countryside where NRMs (New Religious Movements) have their rural retreats.