I think we're at the moment of a psychological crisis, in the sense of the psychology behind economics, as much as anything else.
It had been largely expected that people would start to resume old habits once facilities were unlocked, but, so far at least, that's not happening on anything like the level anticipated. If this doesn't start to change, with an explosion of better weather and August, we're in for some very rocky times ahead.
What sort of things are you referring to? Going to the pub? Shopping on the high street?
Yes, all of these ; the traditional habits of socialising which people still seem to be cautiously ditching, as well as tourism and domestic travel, and all spending associated with leaving the house. This is affecting the whole of Europe, and beyond obviously, too.
Summer hot weather might turn out to be very important in changing the economic psychology if we escape the worst end of predictions ; it makes sitting in the house continually almost insufferable, for a start, but it also tends to prime people into a more optimistic and outgoing mood.
I'm avoiding going shopping, to the pub, or a restaurant simply because social distancing is crap. I'd much rather just have friends round for coffee or beers.
Yes I am exactly the same. I guess millions are doing the same, which will alter how the economy works at least in the short term. Hard for the government to change from, stay at home, be safe. To get out and spend to safe the economy. For many a tenner of your meal , is not worth the risk.
Many of my friends are the same. They are virtually in hiding, and only a few are in at-risk groups.
The cumulative effect of this, on the economy, is so momentous it is hard to gauge. Unprecedented.
I really couldn’t be bothered to go on holiday if there are a million COVIDrules and regulations to adhere to, hardly relaxing. Airports are a horror show at the best of times. Now they must be horrendous... and you can’t get a drink!
Here's a moral conundrum for you - I booked (ages ago) to go to Greece on July 19th for a week. Four days after Greece is expected to let flights from the UK resume.
Greece's policy is to randomly test arrivals and, if they are found to be positive, to send them for 14 days to a "Quarantine Hotel".
So the gamble is go, test negative, have holiday all good; or go, test positive, not only not have holiday but be banged up in some Greek run hostel with food shoved under your door for two weeks.
Would you roll the dice?
Not in any way.
Noted. But you are presumably fit and healthy now? And you have said how you haven't exposed yourself to risk? So.....???
I'm moderate risk (on immune suppression) but have been frequenting supermarkets and have even been dating (with the lack of social distancing that entails). So I guess I have been exposing myself to risk.
Regardless I wouldn't gamble with flying 3 hours to be banged up in a Greek hostel for two weeks.
Yes that is the bottom line. Hmmmm. Plenty of posting time on PB, that said!
My partner and I will be doing our bit for the global economy by going to Barcelona for a long weekend shortly. Will be interesting to see what it is like</
Don’t go inland towards lleida where there is a major outbreak and 200,000 are locked down. Only one outbreak across Barcelona but stay aware, you need your mask with you at all times otherwise €1000 fine
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
If you actually paid attention to what I write instead of dismissing it all as "woke nonsense" you would know that I have continuously opposed the removal of monuments and the "cancelling" of historical figures.
Then you should appreciate that all these activities do not exist in isolation from one another, but are all part of a continuous spectrum, with the same ideology motivating them all. I entirely agree that the fate of one word or one statue is unimportant and can always be justified in one way or another - the point is that it's an incremental, salami-slicing technique to get people used to much more pervasive changes because 'Well, we got rid of those words and no one cared, so why should they care when we do X Y Z...'
So if I were to call you a c**t would you be OK with that?
Yes! Seriously, what kind of libertarian are you? I would rather be called a cunt a thousand times than suffer the ridiculous ideological censorship being imposed on our language. I consider an illiberal society a far more hateful and oppressive thing than any use of 'whitelist' or whatever the bugbear du jour happens to be.
Park Won-soon was reported missing after his daughter said he had left her a message that sounded like a will, police officials told The Associated Press.
About 300 to 400 officers and a drone were involved in the search, which centered near a small hill where the mayor’s cellphone signal was last recorded before it was turned off, police said.
His daughter contacted police after being unable to reach her father, saying the verbal message she received from him four to five hours earlier was “will-like.” Park’s daughter did not detail the contents of the message, a Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency officer in charge of the search told the AP.
Park’s daughter reported the mayor missing at about 5 p.m. local time, a police official familiar with the case told CNN.
Kim Ji-hyeong, a Seoul Metropolitan Government official, told the news outlet that the mayor did not show up for work Thursday and had canceled all events on his calendar, including a scheduled meeting with a presidential official.
The reason for the mayor’s disappearance was unclear, but the Seoul-based SBS television network reported one of his secretaries had reported an alleged sexual harassment complaint Wednesday night....
I really couldn’t be bothered to go on holiday if there are a million COVIDrules and regulations to adhere to, hardly relaxing. Airports are a horror show at the best of times. Now they must be horrendous... and you can’t get a drink!
Here's a moral conundrum for you - I booked (ages ago) to go to Greece on July 19th for a week. Four days after Greece is expected to let flights from the UK resume.
Greece's policy is to randomly test arrivals and, if they are found to be positive, to send them for 14 days to a "Quarantine Hotel".
So the gamble is go, test negative, have holiday all good; or go, test positive, not only not have holiday but be banged up in some Greek run hostel with food shoved under your door for two weeks.
Would you roll the dice?
Not in any way.
Noted. But you are presumably fit and healthy now? And you have said how you haven't exposed yourself to risk? So.....???
I'm moderate risk (on immune suppression) but have been frequenting supermarkets and have even been dating (with the lack of social distancing that entails). So I guess I have been exposing myself to risk.
Regardless I wouldn't gamble with flying 3 hours to be banged up in a Greek hostel for two weeks.
Yes that is the bottom line. Hmmmm. Plenty of posting time on PB, that said!
The PB version of that Remain fellow who went a bit Doolally in Greece? Chappers?
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
If you actually paid attention to what I write instead of dismissing it all as "woke nonsense" you would know that I have continuously opposed the removal of monuments and the "cancelling" of historical figures.
Then you should appreciate that all these activities do not exist in isolation from one another, but are all part of a continuous spectrum, with the same ideology motivating them all. I entirely agree that the fate of one word or one statue is unimportant and can always be justified in one way or another - the point is that it's an incremental, salami-slicing technique to get people used to much more pervasive changes because 'Well, we got rid of those words and no one cared, so why should they care when we do X Y Z...'
So if I were to call you a c**t would you be OK with that?
Yes! Seriously, what kind of libertarian are you? I would rather be called a cunt a thousand times than suffer the ridiculous ideological censorship being imposed on our language. I consider an illiberal society a far more hateful and oppressive thing than any use of 'whitelist' or whatever the bugbear du jour happens to be.
You can legally call someone a c**t but choose not to do so out of decency.
The same with whitelist. I can legally use the term but choose not to do so.
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Libertarianism isn't a belief that nothing should be done, it is a belief that individuals can better decide what to do than governments.
So the government needn't say I shouldn't call @BluestBlue a c**t or use the term whitelist . . . I can using my own beliefs and my own logic decide not to do so unless I choose to be offensive.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
My only problem with the words blacklist / whitelist is finding replacements that don't cause bigger issues during development.
allowlist and denylist seem reasonable, if a bit awkward.
Some companies already use safelist/blocklist. I'm really not sure it makes much of a difference.
There's plenty of combinations. I like allowlist/blocklist.
Really there's no reason not to change this at all. Its just simple decency this one.
How would you phrase the legal instrument and what would be the penalties for disobeying?
What legal instrument?
Common decency doesn't require a legal instrument.
No indeed but one man's common decency....
The discussion, perfectly summed up by @MaxPB, is facile.
Don't use the words fine. But you are banging on about (society, presumably) changing. Unless all you are doing is posturing, or you advocate some sanction, it is indeed facile for you to tell everyone how they should be talking.
On taxation: my instinct is that it should be agreed as widely as possible, as a society, what a fair tax system looks like, and at what point, if any, higher earners pay more. Then any tax rise (or cut) should be applied equally across everyone (as a percentage).
I know this is more difficult than tinkering around the edges but surely it's the most sustainable solution.
Democracy, in essence, is a system for managing disagreements between different parts of society in a way that they can all accept, even if they don't agree with the outcome, and thereby avoiding violence.
Therefore, trying to impose a permanent consensus as a way of avoiding debate is anathema, and will only lead to trouble.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
My only problem with the words blacklist / whitelist is finding replacements that don't cause bigger issues during development.
allowlist and denylist seem reasonable, if a bit awkward.
Some companies already use safelist/blocklist. I'm really not sure it makes much of a difference.
There's plenty of combinations. I like allowlist/blocklist.
Really there's no reason not to change this at all. Its just simple decency this one.
How would you phrase the legal instrument and what would be the penalties for disobeying?
What legal instrument?
Common decency doesn't require a legal instrument.
No indeed but one man's common decency....
The discussion, perfectly summed up by @MaxPB, is facile.
Don't use the words fine. But you are banging on about (society, presumably) changing. Unless all you are doing is posturing, or you advocate some sanction, it is indeed facile for you to tell everyone how they should be talking.
I don't believe in sanction no. I don't believe sanction is necessary. Why would there need to be sanction?
Society can change through people's actions it doesn't need government sanctions to evolve change.
My partner and I will be doing our bit for the global economy by going to Barcelona for a long weekend shortly. Will be interesting to see what it is like</
Don’t go inland towards lleida where there is a major outbreak and 200,000 are locked down. Only one outbreak across Barcelona but stay aware, you need your mask with you at all times otherwise €1000 fine</p>
Thanks. Probably just going to sit round the pool and get some sun
I really couldn’t be bothered to go on holiday if there are a million COVIDrules and regulations to adhere to, hardly relaxing. Airports are a horror show at the best of times. Now they must be horrendous... and you can’t get a drink!
Here's a moral conundrum for you - I booked (ages ago) to go to Greece on July 19th for a week. Four days after Greece is expected to let flights from the UK resume.
Greece's policy is to randomly test arrivals and, if they are found to be positive, to send them for 14 days to a "Quarantine Hotel".
So the gamble is go, test negative, have holiday all good; or go, test positive, not only not have holiday but be banged up in some Greek run hostel with food shoved under your door for two weeks.
Would you roll the dice?
Not in any way.
I would. It's unlikely you'll be tested, and if you are, it's unlikely you'll be positive, and if you are, that's good to know.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
My only problem with the words blacklist / whitelist is finding replacements that don't cause bigger issues during development.
allowlist and denylist seem reasonable, if a bit awkward.
Some companies already use safelist/blocklist. I'm really not sure it makes much of a difference.
There's plenty of combinations. I like allowlist/blocklist.
Really there's no reason not to change this at all. Its just simple decency this one.
How would you phrase the legal instrument and what would be the penalties for disobeying?
What legal instrument?
Common decency doesn't require a legal instrument.
No indeed but one man's common decency....
The discussion, perfectly summed up by @MaxPB, is facile.
Don't use the words fine. But you are banging on about (society, presumably) changing. Unless all you are doing is posturing, or you advocate some sanction, it is indeed facile for you to tell everyone how they should be talking.
Discussions of what language is polite are a regular PB topic; this is an instance of that. Demanding that someone produce draft legislation in order to express an opinion is... strange. If not uncivil.
I dont understand why they have to close, give the place a clean and they are good to go
I think it's so the staff can be tested and get the results back.
95% of tests are done within a day now
Yeah, but there's a chain of testing that needs to happen. First the person who has it needs to be tested and get their result back. Then they need to share where they've been and get additional people tested.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
My only problem with the words blacklist / whitelist is finding replacements that don't cause bigger issues during development.
allowlist and denylist seem reasonable, if a bit awkward.
Some companies already use safelist/blocklist. I'm really not sure it makes much of a difference.
There's plenty of combinations. I like allowlist/blocklist.
Really there's no reason not to change this at all. Its just simple decency this one.
How would you phrase the legal instrument and what would be the penalties for disobeying?
What legal instrument?
Common decency doesn't require a legal instrument.
No indeed but one man's common decency....
The discussion, perfectly summed up by @MaxPB, is facile.
Don't use the words fine. But you are banging on about (society, presumably) changing. Unless all you are doing is posturing, or you advocate some sanction, it is indeed facile for you to tell everyone how they should be talking.
On each of these debates Id be happy to back odds of 1.3 that the person who started the conversation on here was resistant to the change. They are the true posturers and snow flakes, not those who engage with them in discussion.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
My only problem with the words blacklist / whitelist is finding replacements that don't cause bigger issues during development.
allowlist and denylist seem reasonable, if a bit awkward.
Some companies already use safelist/blocklist. I'm really not sure it makes much of a difference.
There's plenty of combinations. I like allowlist/blocklist.
Really there's no reason not to change this at all. Its just simple decency this one.
How would you phrase the legal instrument and what would be the penalties for disobeying?
What legal instrument?
Common decency doesn't require a legal instrument.
No indeed but one man's common decency....
The discussion, perfectly summed up by @MaxPB, is facile.
Don't use the words fine. But you are banging on about (society, presumably) changing. Unless all you are doing is posturing, or you advocate some sanction, it is indeed facile for you to tell everyone how they should be talking.
I don't believe in sanction no. I don't believe sanction is necessary. Why would there need to be sanction?
Society can change through people's actions it doesn't need government sanctions to evolve change.
So you are seeking to influence others' use of language because of your particular belief of what constitutes decency. Not 1/100% sure exactly how libertarian that is.
I've just booked two skiing holidays for early next year. Italy in March and France in April. I've used the credit from the aborted skiing holidays earlier this year. Can't wait. In the meantime, I'm off to Ireland for the month of August.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
My only problem with the words blacklist / whitelist is finding replacements that don't cause bigger issues during development.
allowlist and denylist seem reasonable, if a bit awkward.
Some companies already use safelist/blocklist. I'm really not sure it makes much of a difference.
There's plenty of combinations. I like allowlist/blocklist.
Really there's no reason not to change this at all. Its just simple decency this one.
How would you phrase the legal instrument and what would be the penalties for disobeying?
What legal instrument?
Common decency doesn't require a legal instrument.
No indeed but one man's common decency....
The discussion, perfectly summed up by @MaxPB, is facile.
Don't use the words fine. But you are banging on about (society, presumably) changing. Unless all you are doing is posturing, or you advocate some sanction, it is indeed facile for you to tell everyone how they should be talking.
On each of these debates Id be happy to back odds of 1.3 that the person who started the conversation on here was resistant to the change. They are the true posturers and snow flakes, not those who engage with them in discussion.
The tourist industry is almost 10% of the UK's GDP. It provides 3.8m jobs.
Much of this will survive as domestic tourism benefits from Brits staycationing. But much of this will also go. Foreign tourists are crucial to London, in particular.
It's going to be carnage, unless we get a vaccine/treatments very soon. We could see 15% unemployment and a wartime-scale deficit. Britain will be like Greece after the Great Recession, except worse, because the whole world will be in a slump, as demand crashes everywhere.
Ah well. Ben Stokes is still in. I think.
As someone already mentioned, we have a huge tourism deficit. If all international tourism both ways stopped, the economy would benefit vastly.
The trouble is, I don't believe Brits staycationing will make up for lost foreign visitors, because hotels and restaurants are going to be unwelcoming places, with social distancing in operation.
Some specific businesses will do well. Holiday lets in places like Cornwall. London hotels and restaurants will close down and not reopen.
Fewer airbnbs in London might help a few more people buy a house (well a tiny box) here. Always look on the bright side.
I'd say that AirBNBs are actually a low risk place to stay, compared to larger places with constant interactions, communal bars etc.
My neighbour who was left high and dry due to summary closure of the Static Caravan Parks leaving her stranded having just paid 3k annual fees has started again.
I really couldn’t be bothered to go on holiday if there are a million COVIDrules and regulations to adhere to, hardly relaxing. Airports are a horror show at the best of times. Now they must be horrendous... and you can’t get a drink!
Here's a moral conundrum for you - I booked (ages ago) to go to Greece on July 19th for a week. Four days after Greece is expected to let flights from the UK resume.
Greece's policy is to randomly test arrivals and, if they are found to be positive, to send them for 14 days to a "Quarantine Hotel".
So the gamble is go, test negative, have holiday all good; or go, test positive, not only not have holiday but be banged up in some Greek run hostel with food shoved under your door for two weeks.
Would you roll the dice?
Not in any way.
I would. It's unlikely you'll be tested, and if you are, it's unlikely you'll be positive, and if you are, that's good to know.
Well I am going four days after Greece opens to the UK so they might hit/test UK flights hard.
Then again they might just ask me to sprint 100m to see how breathless I am.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
If you actually paid attention to what I write instead of dismissing it all as "woke nonsense" you would know that I have continuously opposed the removal of monuments and the "cancelling" of historical figures.
Then you should appreciate that all these activities do not exist in isolation from one another, but are all part of a continuous spectrum, with the same ideology motivating them all. I entirely agree that the fate of one word or one statue is unimportant and can always be justified in one way or another - the point is that it's an incremental, salami-slicing technique to get people used to much more pervasive changes because 'Well, we got rid of those words and no one cared, so why should they care when we do X Y Z...'
So if I were to call you a c**t would you be OK with that?
Well, "clot" is a bit rude, but nothing to get upset over.....
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
If you actually paid attention to what I write instead of dismissing it all as "woke nonsense" you would know that I have continuously opposed the removal of monuments and the "cancelling" of historical figures.
Then you should appreciate that all these activities do not exist in isolation from one another, but are all part of a continuous spectrum, with the same ideology motivating them all. I entirely agree that the fate of one word or one statue is unimportant and can always be justified in one way or another - the point is that it's an incremental, salami-slicing technique to get people used to much more pervasive changes because 'Well, we got rid of those words and no one cared, so why should they care when we do X Y Z...'
If you believe this - which imo is florid in the extreme but let's go with it - you have no choice but to leap upon every single change of a word, to a street name, to a habit or custom, and fight it. Fight it with everything you've got until you are completely spent. You may lose, you probably will, but you will at least be able in 40 50 years time, with the woke world established all around you, to point at it and tell your grandkids, "See all this shit? Nothing to do with me. I took a rebel stand. Ask your dad."
Whats really *really* funny about Trump isn't that he has an IQ of 86, but that despite the massive failings he has demonstrated and the world either scratching its head of laughing America, there are tens of millions of people who will vote for *that*.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
My only problem with the words blacklist / whitelist is finding replacements that don't cause bigger issues during development.
allowlist and denylist seem reasonable, if a bit awkward.
Some companies already use safelist/blocklist. I'm really not sure it makes much of a difference.
There's plenty of combinations. I like allowlist/blocklist.
Really there's no reason not to change this at all. Its just simple decency this one.
How would you phrase the legal instrument and what would be the penalties for disobeying?
What legal instrument?
Common decency doesn't require a legal instrument.
No indeed but one man's common decency....
The discussion, perfectly summed up by @MaxPB, is facile.
Don't use the words fine. But you are banging on about (society, presumably) changing. Unless all you are doing is posturing, or you advocate some sanction, it is indeed facile for you to tell everyone how they should be talking.
I don't believe in sanction no. I don't believe sanction is necessary. Why would there need to be sanction?
Society can change through people's actions it doesn't need government sanctions to evolve change.
So you are seeking to influence others' use of language because of your particular belief of what constitutes decency. Not 1/100% sure exactly how libertarian that is.
Free people making free arguments using free speech without government sanction . . . how is that not libertarian?
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
My only problem with the words blacklist / whitelist is finding replacements that don't cause bigger issues during development.
allowlist and denylist seem reasonable, if a bit awkward.
Some companies already use safelist/blocklist. I'm really not sure it makes much of a difference.
There's plenty of combinations. I like allowlist/blocklist.
Really there's no reason not to change this at all. Its just simple decency this one.
How would you phrase the legal instrument and what would be the penalties for disobeying?
What legal instrument?
Common decency doesn't require a legal instrument.
No indeed but one man's common decency....
The discussion, perfectly summed up by @MaxPB, is facile.
Don't use the words fine. But you are banging on about (society, presumably) changing. Unless all you are doing is posturing, or you advocate some sanction, it is indeed facile for you to tell everyone how they should be talking.
On each of these debates Id be happy to back odds of 1.3 that the person who started the conversation on here was resistant to the change. They are the true posturers and snow flakes, not those who engage with them in discussion.
I don't think that was the case this time.
True, you have to back some losers to keep the punters happy! But it was via Fraser Nelson who seems perpetually offended by trivia.
The sadness that follows the happiness when you order something wonderful and then discover it is going to be delivered either by Yodel or Hermes.
This morning there was an unmarked delivery van going down the road dropping off Amazon packages. Whether this is an entrepreneurial startup delivery service taking advantage of the boom in online shopping, or a new security measure, I could not say.
The operators of these vans delivering for Amazon are sons of Satan. They are the mill and mine owners of the 21st century.
A driver was telling me yesterday (socially distanced of course) he earns £85 a day on average, delivering a specified number of packages. He was getting around £120 during Covid for the same hours and number of drops. He said he is well below minimum wage, but that's ok because he is "self employed". He gets a phonecall before midnight to confirm his work for the following day. Shameful, but it's the future!
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
My only problem with the words blacklist / whitelist is finding replacements that don't cause bigger issues during development.
allowlist and denylist seem reasonable, if a bit awkward.
Some companies already use safelist/blocklist. I'm really not sure it makes much of a difference.
There's plenty of combinations. I like allowlist/blocklist.
Really there's no reason not to change this at all. Its just simple decency this one.
How would you phrase the legal instrument and what would be the penalties for disobeying?
What legal instrument?
Common decency doesn't require a legal instrument.
No indeed but one man's common decency....
The discussion, perfectly summed up by @MaxPB, is facile.
Don't use the words fine. But you are banging on about (society, presumably) changing. Unless all you are doing is posturing, or you advocate some sanction, it is indeed facile for you to tell everyone how they should be talking.
I don't believe in sanction no. I don't believe sanction is necessary. Why would there need to be sanction?
Society can change through people's actions it doesn't need government sanctions to evolve change.
So you are seeking to influence others' use of language because of your particular belief of what constitutes decency. Not 1/100% sure exactly how libertarian that is.
Free people making free arguments using free speech without government sanction . . . how is that not libertarian?
It is the effective but informal repression via sackings, disciplinary hearings and boycotts that are the biggest problem.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
I guess you must fume at things like 'And Then There Were None' as the new name for an Agatha Christie novel.
Is it still possible to read The Nigger of the Narcissus without being hissed at?
Nope, you have to call it A Tale of the Forecastle or something else in America.
I read many years ago when the FBI were tracking a white supremacist group they used to refer to the title of the book as a euphemism for assaulting African Americans.
Many years ago , working for the Police, we were all sent on a course after the , Stephen Lawrence enquiry. We were told not to use the phrase nitty gritty, which many were surprised at. Since then I have heard it used many times on the media including the BBC.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
My only problem with the words blacklist / whitelist is finding replacements that don't cause bigger issues during development.
allowlist and denylist seem reasonable, if a bit awkward.
Some companies already use safelist/blocklist. I'm really not sure it makes much of a difference.
There's plenty of combinations. I like allowlist/blocklist.
Really there's no reason not to change this at all. Its just simple decency this one.
How would you phrase the legal instrument and what would be the penalties for disobeying?
What legal instrument?
Common decency doesn't require a legal instrument.
No indeed but one man's common decency....
The discussion, perfectly summed up by @MaxPB, is facile.
Don't use the words fine. But you are banging on about (society, presumably) changing. Unless all you are doing is posturing, or you advocate some sanction, it is indeed facile for you to tell everyone how they should be talking.
I don't believe in sanction no. I don't believe sanction is necessary. Why would there need to be sanction?
Society can change through people's actions it doesn't need government sanctions to evolve change.
So you are seeking to influence others' use of language because of your particular belief of what constitutes decency. Not 1/100% sure exactly how libertarian that is.
Free people making free arguments using free speech without government sanction . . . how is that not libertarian?
Well you are using moral suasion, seeking to impose your world view and beliefs on someone else which doesn't sound particularly libertarian. But maybe I've got the definition of libertarian all wrong.
Right, I've looked at this tweet a few times, can someone explain the 1/100th time bit?
I suppose if you say it out loud it's 'For the one hundredth time..'.
Is it?
1/100 is one hundredth 100th is one hundredth
1/100th isn't is it?
I think you might be over-analysing... this is a Trump tweet, after all.
"....he finds the man displaying a pained expression while trying to read Turing's dissertation on the Universal Machine. He looks like a lower primate trying to fly an aeroplane."
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
I guess you must fume at things like 'And Then There Were None' as the new name for an Agatha Christie novel.
Is it still possible to read The Nigger of the Narcissus without being hissed at?
Nope, you have to call it A Tale of the Forecastle or something else in America.
I read many years ago when the FBI were tracking a white supremacist group they used to refer to the title of the book as a euphemism for assaulting African Americans.
Many years ago , working for the Police, we were all sent on a course after the , Stephen Lawrence enguiry. We were told not to use the phrase nitty gritty, which many were surprised at. Since then I have heard it used many times on the media including the BBC.
Have to be careful with expressions like that, could get a black mark against your name.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
If you actually paid attention to what I write instead of dismissing it all as "woke nonsense" you would know that I have continuously opposed the removal of monuments and the "cancelling" of historical figures.
Then you should appreciate that all these activities do not exist in isolation from one another, but are all part of a continuous spectrum, with the same ideology motivating them all. I entirely agree that the fate of one word or one statue is unimportant and can always be justified in one way or another - the point is that it's an incremental, salami-slicing technique to get people used to much more pervasive changes because 'Well, we got rid of those words and no one cared, so why should they care when we do X Y Z...'
If you believe this - which imo is florid in the extreme but let's go with it - you have no choice but to leap upon every single change of a word, to a street name, to a habit or custom, and fight it. Fight it with everything you've got until you are completely spent. You may lose, you probably will, but you will at least be able in 40 50 years time, with the woke world established all around you, to point at it and tell your grandkids, "See all this shit? Nothing to do with me. I took a rebel stand. Ask your dad."
It will be my greatest pleasure to be able to say so
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
I guess you must fume at things like 'And Then There Were None' as the new name for an Agatha Christie novel.
Is it still possible to read The Nigger of the Narcissus without being hissed at?
Nope, you have to call it A Tale of the Forecastle or something else in America.
I read many years ago when the FBI were tracking a white supremacist group they used to refer to the title of the book as a euphemism for assaulting African Americans.
Many years ago , working for the Police, we were all sent on a course after the , Stephen Lawrence enguiry. We were told not to use the phrase nitty gritty, which many were surprised at. Since then I have heard it used many times on the media including the BBC.
Niggardly is now unallowed, despite having no etymological link to the N-word
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
I guess you must fume at things like 'And Then There Were None' as the new name for an Agatha Christie novel.
Is it still possible to read The Nigger of the Narcissus without being hissed at?
Nope, you have to call it A Tale of the Forecastle or something else in America.
I read many years ago when the FBI were tracking a white supremacist group they used to refer to the title of the book as a euphemism for assaulting African Americans.
Many years ago , working for the Police, we were all sent on a course after the , Stephen Lawrence enquiry. We were told not to use the phrase nitty gritty, which many were surprised at. Since then I have heard it used many times on the media including the BBC.
You'll be pleased to know that nitty-gritty gets a clean bill of health:
The sadness that follows the happiness when you order something wonderful and then discover it is going to be delivered either by Yodel or Hermes.
This morning there was an unmarked delivery van going down the road dropping off Amazon packages. Whether this is an entrepreneurial startup delivery service taking advantage of the boom in online shopping, or a new security measure, I could not say.
The operators of these vans delivering for Amazon are sons of Satan. They are the mill and mine owners of the 21st century.
A driver was telling me yesterday (socially distanced of course) he earns £85 a day on average, delivering a specified number of packages. He was getting around £120 during Covid for the same hours and number of drops. He said he is well below minimum wage, but that's ok because he is "self employed". He gets a phonecall before midnight to confirm his work for the following day. Shameful, but it's the future!
In which case he is also breaking regulations on working hours driving! I think is 9 hours max per day, £8.72 min wage so £85 is over it if he is legal?
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
My only problem with the words blacklist / whitelist is finding replacements that don't cause bigger issues during development.
allowlist and denylist seem reasonable, if a bit awkward.
Some companies already use safelist/blocklist. I'm really not sure it makes much of a difference.
There's plenty of combinations. I like allowlist/blocklist.
Really there's no reason not to change this at all. Its just simple decency this one.
How would you phrase the legal instrument and what would be the penalties for disobeying?
What legal instrument?
Common decency doesn't require a legal instrument.
No indeed but one man's common decency....
The discussion, perfectly summed up by @MaxPB, is facile.
Don't use the words fine. But you are banging on about (society, presumably) changing. Unless all you are doing is posturing, or you advocate some sanction, it is indeed facile for you to tell everyone how they should be talking.
I don't believe in sanction no. I don't believe sanction is necessary. Why would there need to be sanction?
Society can change through people's actions it doesn't need government sanctions to evolve change.
So you are seeking to influence others' use of language because of your particular belief of what constitutes decency. Not 1/100% sure exactly how libertarian that is.
Free people making free arguments using free speech without government sanction . . . how is that not libertarian?
J S Mills rejects attempts, either through legal coercion or social pressure, to coerce people's opinions and behavior. He would be anti-Woke. A true liberal.
On taxation: my instinct is that it should be agreed as widely as possible, as a society, what a fair tax system looks like, and at what point, if any, higher earners pay more. Then any tax rise (or cut) should be applied equally across everyone (as a percentage).
I know this is more difficult than tinkering around the edges but surely it's the most sustainable solution.
You also have to take into account which taxes are used. (Almost) every tax reduces economic activity/growth thanks to the "tax wedge" (activity which would happen at the margins before and is no longer viable - eg, if you make something for 60p per item when all costs are taken into account and can get 70p per item when selling it (people are willing to pay 70p per item), the activity is viable; if there's a 15p per item tax on it, the activity isn't viable). That reduction differs for different taxes.
But the different taxes also have different impacts on different demographics and can be more or less politically acceptable, and easier or less easy to evade.
Worst impact to least impact: Tax on financial transactions (which can dramatically lower economic activity), then tax on corporate profits, then progressive income taxes (because richer people can more easily forgo income than poorer people), then flat rate income taxes, then consumption taxes, then taxes on immovable property. A variety of the latter (Land Value Tax) is unique in having a positive effect on growth (as well as being remarkably hard to evade, unless you can squirrel away parcels of UK land in an overseas tax haven somehow...).
But shifting things down the scale is both politically challenging and can have other negative effects.
I really couldn’t be bothered to go on holiday if there are a million COVIDrules and regulations to adhere to, hardly relaxing. Airports are a horror show at the best of times. Now they must be horrendous... and you can’t get a drink!
Here's a moral conundrum for you - I booked (ages ago) to go to Greece on July 19th for a week. Four days after Greece is expected to let flights from the UK resume.
Greece's policy is to randomly test arrivals and, if they are found to be positive, to send them for 14 days to a "Quarantine Hotel".
So the gamble is go, test negative, have holiday all good; or go, test positive, not only not have holiday but be banged up in some Greek run hostel with food shoved under your door for two weeks.
Would you roll the dice?
Not in any way.
Noted. But you are presumably fit and healthy now? And you have said how you haven't exposed yourself to risk? So.....???
I'm moderate risk (on immune suppression) but have been frequenting supermarkets and have even been dating (with the lack of social distancing that entails). So I guess I have been exposing myself to risk.
Regardless I wouldn't gamble with flying 3 hours to be banged up in a Greek hostel for two weeks.
Yes that is the bottom line. Hmmmm. Plenty of posting time on PB, that said!
That's true. If you were trapped in a room in Greece for 14 days you ought to be able to craft at least a handful of reasonably solid posts.
The sadness that follows the happiness when you order something wonderful and then discover it is going to be delivered either by Yodel or Hermes.
This morning there was an unmarked delivery van going down the road dropping off Amazon packages. Whether this is an entrepreneurial startup delivery service taking advantage of the boom in online shopping, or a new security measure, I could not say.
The operators of these vans delivering for Amazon are sons of Satan. They are the mill and mine owners of the 21st century.
A driver was telling me yesterday (socially distanced of course) he earns £85 a day on average, delivering a specified number of packages. He was getting around £120 during Covid for the same hours and number of drops. He said he is well below minimum wage, but that's ok because he is "self employed". He gets a phonecall before midnight to confirm his work for the following day. Shameful, but it's the future!
In which case he is also breaking regulations on working hours driving! I think is 9 hours max per day, £8.72 min wage so £85 is over it if he is legal?
If you account for wear and tear on the vehicle and the fuel, it's probably below.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
If you actually paid attention to what I write instead of dismissing it all as "woke nonsense" you would know that I have continuously opposed the removal of monuments and the "cancelling" of historical figures.
Then you should appreciate that all these activities do not exist in isolation from one another, but are all part of a continuous spectrum, with the same ideology motivating them all. I entirely agree that the fate of one word or one statue is unimportant and can always be justified in one way or another - the point is that it's an incremental, salami-slicing technique to get people used to much more pervasive changes because 'Well, we got rid of those words and no one cared, so why should they care when we do X Y Z...'
If you believe this - which imo is florid in the extreme but let's go with it - you have no choice but to leap upon every single change of a word, to a street name, to a habit or custom, and fight it. Fight it with everything you've got until you are completely spent. You may lose, you probably will, but you will at least be able in 40 50 years time, with the woke world established all around you, to point at it and tell your grandkids, "See all this shit? Nothing to do with me. I took a rebel stand. Ask your dad."
There won't be a woke world because the woke are a minority. You just imagine you aren't because its a noisy one. Most normal people just roll their eyes and sigh and ignore you and carry on as normal. Another ideology destined for the dustbin of history.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
I guess you must fume at things like 'And Then There Were None' as the new name for an Agatha Christie novel.
Is it still possible to read The Nigger of the Narcissus without being hissed at?
Nope, you have to call it A Tale of the Forecastle or something else in America.
I read many years ago when the FBI were tracking a white supremacist group they used to refer to the title of the book as a euphemism for assaulting African Americans.
Many years ago , working for the Police, we were all sent on a course after the , Stephen Lawrence enguiry. We were told not to use the phrase nitty gritty, which many were surprised at. Since then I have heard it used many times on the media including the BBC.
Niggardly is now unallowed, despite having no etymological link to the N-word
You just said it, will anything happen? No, very little is actually "unallowed", all that happens is others will judge people on their words as they have always done.
I think we're at the moment of a psychological crisis, in the sense of the psychology behind economics, as much as anything else.
It had been largely expected that people would start to resume old habits once facilities were unlocked, but, so far at least, that's not happening on anything like the level anticipated. If this doesn't start to change, with an explosion of better weather and August, we're in for some very rocky times ahead.
What sort of things are you referring to? Going to the pub? Shopping on the high street?
Yes, all of these ; the traditional habits of socialising which people still seem to be cautiously ditching, as well as tourism and domestic travel, and all spending associated with leaving the house. This is affecting the whole of Europe, and beyond obviously, too.
Summer hot weather might turn out to be very important in changing the economic psychology if we escape the worst end of predictions ; it makes sitting in the house continually almost insufferable, for a start, but it also tends to prime people into a more optimistic and outgoing mood.
I'm avoiding going shopping, to the pub, or a restaurant simply because social distancing is crap. I'd much rather just have friends round for coffee or beers.
That's interesting - I don't see a problem with shopping etc. I would just go at quiet times as i have throughout, though I have avoid mega-supermarkets and stick to medium-sized Aldi etc (say 15 sqft) which i can find almost empty with no queue if timed I will continue similarly, despite having just moved to the shielding list - if visiting with another household is fine, then this is low enough risk.
Had my first coffee out last week, but our local park visitor centre are obviously members of the slow-cheese-toastie movement.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
I guess you must fume at things like 'And Then There Were None' as the new name for an Agatha Christie novel.
Is it still possible to read The Nigger of the Narcissus without being hissed at?
Nope, you have to call it A Tale of the Forecastle or something else in America.
I read many years ago when the FBI were tracking a white supremacist group they used to refer to the title of the book as a euphemism for assaulting African Americans.
Many years ago , working for the Police, we were all sent on a course after the , Stephen Lawrence enguiry. We were told not to use the phrase nitty gritty, which many were surprised at. Since then I have heard it used many times on the media including the BBC.
Have to be careful with expressions like that, could get a black mark against your name.
If no one is tested then no cases are confirmed. Deaths are a slightly stickier point, but if Covid fatalities are recorded as pneumonia, the fatalities are nil.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
I guess you must fume at things like 'And Then There Were None' as the new name for an Agatha Christie novel.
Is it still possible to read The Nigger of the Narcissus without being hissed at?
Nope, you have to call it A Tale of the Forecastle or something else in America.
I read many years ago when the FBI were tracking a white supremacist group they used to refer to the title of the book as a euphemism for assaulting African Americans.
Many years ago , working for the Police, we were all sent on a course after the , Stephen Lawrence enguiry. We were told not to use the phrase nitty gritty, which many were surprised at. Since then I have heard it used many times on the media including the BBC.
Have to be careful with expressions like that, could get a black mark against your name.
A WHAT!!!
The Minority Report will list him as committing PreCrime....
I really couldn’t be bothered to go on holiday if there are a million COVIDrules and regulations to adhere to, hardly relaxing. Airports are a horror show at the best of times. Now they must be horrendous... and you can’t get a drink!
Here's a moral conundrum for you - I booked (ages ago) to go to Greece on July 19th for a week. Four days after Greece is expected to let flights from the UK resume.
Greece's policy is to randomly test arrivals and, if they are found to be positive, to send them for 14 days to a "Quarantine Hotel".
So the gamble is go, test negative, have holiday all good; or go, test positive, not only not have holiday but be banged up in some Greek run hostel with food shoved under your door for two weeks.
Would you roll the dice?
Not in any way.
Noted. But you are presumably fit and healthy now? And you have said how you haven't exposed yourself to risk? So.....???
I'm moderate risk (on immune suppression) but have been frequenting supermarkets and have even been dating (with the lack of social distancing that entails). So I guess I have been exposing myself to risk.
Regardless I wouldn't gamble with flying 3 hours to be banged up in a Greek hostel for two weeks.
Yes that is the bottom line. Hmmmm. Plenty of posting time on PB, that said!
That's true. If you were trapped in a room in Greece for 14 days you ought to be able to craft at least a handful of reasonably solid posts.
I agree; given your posts today deflection is probably the best strategy.
I really don't understand why Archer comes in before Anderson. England persist with the theory that he can bat despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. At least Jimmy can protect his wicket.
The sadness that follows the happiness when you order something wonderful and then discover it is going to be delivered either by Yodel or Hermes.
This morning there was an unmarked delivery van going down the road dropping off Amazon packages. Whether this is an entrepreneurial startup delivery service taking advantage of the boom in online shopping, or a new security measure, I could not say.
The operators of these vans delivering for Amazon are sons of Satan. They are the mill and mine owners of the 21st century.
A driver was telling me yesterday (socially distanced of course) he earns £85 a day on average, delivering a specified number of packages. He was getting around £120 during Covid for the same hours and number of drops. He said he is well below minimum wage, but that's ok because he is "self employed". He gets a phonecall before midnight to confirm his work for the following day. Shameful, but it's the future!
No it isn't. An army of diseasal vans touring every city town and village all day every day is not sustainable on so many levels - and the crappy employment enjoyed* by the driver is fairly low down the list. We have barely scratched the surface when it comes to direct to consumer sales, so a solution will have to be found to make this last mile party viable.
Amazon. Ebay. B2C. Supermarkets. They can't all have separate last mile delivery networks all overlapping and on top of each other. I've had 3 separate Amazon drops in 1 day off a single order - madness. I'm not sure what the solution is - convenience stores as collection hubs? Get Tesco to deliver your Amazon package with your shopping? Whatever, an army of slaves in diesels cannot be allowed to continue.
The sadness that follows the happiness when you order something wonderful and then discover it is going to be delivered either by Yodel or Hermes.
This morning there was an unmarked delivery van going down the road dropping off Amazon packages. Whether this is an entrepreneurial startup delivery service taking advantage of the boom in online shopping, or a new security measure, I could not say.
The operators of these vans delivering for Amazon are sons of Satan. They are the mill and mine owners of the 21st century.
A driver was telling me yesterday (socially distanced of course) he earns £85 a day on average, delivering a specified number of packages. He was getting around £120 during Covid for the same hours and number of drops. He said he is well below minimum wage, but that's ok because he is "self employed". He gets a phonecall before midnight to confirm his work for the following day. Shameful, but it's the future!
In which case he is also breaking regulations on working hours driving! I think is 9 hours max per day, £8.72 min wage so £85 is over it if he is legal?
If you account for wear and tear on the vehicle and the fuel, it's probably below.
True, it would be well below if those are his earnings are pre fuel and other costs.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
I guess you must fume at things like 'And Then There Were None' as the new name for an Agatha Christie novel.
Is it still possible to read The Nigger of the Narcissus without being hissed at?
Nope, you have to call it A Tale of the Forecastle or something else in America.
I read many years ago when the FBI were tracking a white supremacist group they used to refer to the title of the book as a euphemism for assaulting African Americans.
Many years ago , working for the Police, we were all sent on a course after the , Stephen Lawrence enguiry. We were told not to use the phrase nitty gritty, which many were surprised at. Since then I have heard it used many times on the media including the BBC.
Have to be careful with expressions like that, could get a black mark against your name.
A WHAT!!!
Perhaps if it's a black tic not a cross it will suddenly become acceptable; there are plenty stupid enough for that kind of distinction.
I think we're at the moment of a psychological crisis, in the sense of the psychology behind economics, as much as anything else.
It had been largely expected that people would start to resume old habits once facilities were unlocked, but, so far at least, that's not happening on anything like the level anticipated. If this doesn't start to change, with an explosion of better weather and August, we're in for some very rocky times ahead.
What sort of things are you referring to? Going to the pub? Shopping on the high street?
Yes, all of these ; the traditional habits of socialising which people still seem to be cautiously ditching, as well as tourism and domestic travel, and all spending associated with leaving the house. This is affecting the whole of Europe, and beyond obviously, too.
Summer hot weather might turn out to be very important in changing the economic psychology if we escape the worst end of predictions ; it makes sitting in the house continually almost insufferable, for a start, but it also tends to prime people into a more optimistic and outgoing mood.
I'm avoiding going shopping, to the pub, or a restaurant simply because social distancing is crap. I'd much rather just have friends round for coffee or beers.
That's interesting - I don't see a problem with shopping etc. I would just go at quiet times as i have throughout, though I have avoid mega-supermarkets and stick to medium-sized Aldi etc (say 15 sqft) which i can find almost empty with no queue if timed I will continue similarly, despite having just moved to the shielding list - if visiting with another household is fine, then this is low enough risk.
Had my first coffee out last week, but our local park visitor centre are obviously members of the slow-cheese-toastie movement.
Sorry, when I said "shopping" I meant like clothes shopping, rather than food shopping. I do my food shopping at a Tesco Extra that was at one point the biggest supermarket in the country.
The sadness that follows the happiness when you order something wonderful and then discover it is going to be delivered either by Yodel or Hermes.
This morning there was an unmarked delivery van going down the road dropping off Amazon packages. Whether this is an entrepreneurial startup delivery service taking advantage of the boom in online shopping, or a new security measure, I could not say.
The operators of these vans delivering for Amazon are sons of Satan. They are the mill and mine owners of the 21st century.
A driver was telling me yesterday (socially distanced of course) he earns £85 a day on average, delivering a specified number of packages. He was getting around £120 during Covid for the same hours and number of drops. He said he is well below minimum wage, but that's ok because he is "self employed". He gets a phonecall before midnight to confirm his work for the following day. Shameful, but it's the future!
No it isn't. An army of diseasal vans touring every city town and village all day every day is not sustainable on so many levels - and the crappy employment enjoyed* by the driver is fairly low down the list. We have barely scratched the surface when it comes to direct to consumer sales, so a solution will have to be found to make this last mile party viable.
Amazon. Ebay. B2C. Supermarkets. They can't all have separate last mile delivery networks all overlapping and on top of each other. I've had 3 separate Amazon drops in 1 day off a single order - madness. I'm not sure what the solution is - convenience stores as collection hubs? Get Tesco to deliver your Amazon package with your shopping? Whatever, an army of slaves in diesels cannot be allowed to continue.
Amazon are trialling an option to consolidate your orders to a single delivery slot.
The sadness that follows the happiness when you order something wonderful and then discover it is going to be delivered either by Yodel or Hermes.
This morning there was an unmarked delivery van going down the road dropping off Amazon packages. Whether this is an entrepreneurial startup delivery service taking advantage of the boom in online shopping, or a new security measure, I could not say.
The operators of these vans delivering for Amazon are sons of Satan. They are the mill and mine owners of the 21st century.
A driver was telling me yesterday (socially distanced of course) he earns £85 a day on average, delivering a specified number of packages. He was getting around £120 during Covid for the same hours and number of drops. He said he is well below minimum wage, but that's ok because he is "self employed". He gets a phonecall before midnight to confirm his work for the following day. Shameful, but it's the future!
No it isn't. An army of diseasal vans touring every city town and village all day every day is not sustainable on so many levels - and the crappy employment enjoyed* by the driver is fairly low down the list. We have barely scratched the surface when it comes to direct to consumer sales, so a solution will have to be found to make this last mile party viable.
Amazon. Ebay. B2C. Supermarkets. They can't all have separate last mile delivery networks all overlapping and on top of each other. I've had 3 separate Amazon drops in 1 day off a single order - madness. I'm not sure what the solution is - convenience stores as collection hubs? Get Tesco to deliver your Amazon package with your shopping? Whatever, an army of slaves in diesels cannot be allowed to continue.
Amazon are trialling an option to consolidate your orders to a single delivery slot.
Im sure that was the default option five years ago!
The sadness that follows the happiness when you order something wonderful and then discover it is going to be delivered either by Yodel or Hermes.
This morning there was an unmarked delivery van going down the road dropping off Amazon packages. Whether this is an entrepreneurial startup delivery service taking advantage of the boom in online shopping, or a new security measure, I could not say.
The operators of these vans delivering for Amazon are sons of Satan. They are the mill and mine owners of the 21st century.
A driver was telling me yesterday (socially distanced of course) he earns £85 a day on average, delivering a specified number of packages. He was getting around £120 during Covid for the same hours and number of drops. He said he is well below minimum wage, but that's ok because he is "self employed". He gets a phonecall before midnight to confirm his work for the following day. Shameful, but it's the future!
In which case he is also breaking regulations on working hours driving! I think is 9 hours max per day, £8.72 min wage so £85 is over it if he is legal?
A vehicle under 3.5 tonnes is not tachocarded so who's to know how many drivers hours have been completed.
The sadness that follows the happiness when you order something wonderful and then discover it is going to be delivered either by Yodel or Hermes.
This morning there was an unmarked delivery van going down the road dropping off Amazon packages. Whether this is an entrepreneurial startup delivery service taking advantage of the boom in online shopping, or a new security measure, I could not say.
The operators of these vans delivering for Amazon are sons of Satan. They are the mill and mine owners of the 21st century.
A driver was telling me yesterday (socially distanced of course) he earns £85 a day on average, delivering a specified number of packages. He was getting around £120 during Covid for the same hours and number of drops. He said he is well below minimum wage, but that's ok because he is "self employed". He gets a phonecall before midnight to confirm his work for the following day. Shameful, but it's the future!
No it isn't. An army of diseasal vans touring every city town and village all day every day is not sustainable on so many levels - and the crappy employment enjoyed* by the driver is fairly low down the list. We have barely scratched the surface when it comes to direct to consumer sales, so a solution will have to be found to make this last mile party viable.
Amazon. Ebay. B2C. Supermarkets. They can't all have separate last mile delivery networks all overlapping and on top of each other. I've had 3 separate Amazon drops in 1 day off a single order - madness. I'm not sure what the solution is - convenience stores as collection hubs? Get Tesco to deliver your Amazon package with your shopping? Whatever, an army of slaves in diesels cannot be allowed to continue.
Just as an aside, when I was world-building for Bane of Souls (available from Amazon and elsewhere for an astonishingly low price, under the pen name Thaddeus White) I deliberately made Highford, the city, very cosmopolitan, at the corner of three different lands. Which then led me to an interesting question: how to handle race and racism in a roughly medieval fantasy setting?
I decided to take the Avenue Q approach and make everyone a little bit racist. Can be useful for world-building. Currently reading Steven Brust's The Book of Jhereg, and there's some anti-human racism in there too.
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
I guess you must fume at things like 'And Then There Were None' as the new name for an Agatha Christie novel.
Is it still possible to read The Nigger of the Narcissus without being hissed at?
Nope, you have to call it A Tale of the Forecastle or something else in America.
I read many years ago when the FBI were tracking a white supremacist group they used to refer to the title of the book as a euphemism for assaulting African Americans.
Many years ago , working for the Police, we were all sent on a course after the , Stephen Lawrence enquiry. We were told not to use the phrase nitty gritty, which many were surprised at. Since then I have heard it used many times on the media including the BBC.
You'll be pleased to know that nitty-gritty gets a clean bill of health:
The sadness that follows the happiness when you order something wonderful and then discover it is going to be delivered either by Yodel or Hermes.
This morning there was an unmarked delivery van going down the road dropping off Amazon packages. Whether this is an entrepreneurial startup delivery service taking advantage of the boom in online shopping, or a new security measure, I could not say.
The operators of these vans delivering for Amazon are sons of Satan. They are the mill and mine owners of the 21st century.
A driver was telling me yesterday (socially distanced of course) he earns £85 a day on average, delivering a specified number of packages. He was getting around £120 during Covid for the same hours and number of drops. He said he is well below minimum wage, but that's ok because he is "self employed". He gets a phonecall before midnight to confirm his work for the following day. Shameful, but it's the future!
In which case he is also breaking regulations on working hours driving! I think is 9 hours max per day, £8.72 min wage so £85 is over it if he is legal?
I forgot to mention 6.00 til 18.00. The first hour or so is sorting and loading..
It's really cute that @BluestBlue seems to have an emotional cultural bond with the word "blacklist". Really demonstrates that they should probably get out more, or get a hobby.
It's just as bad as those who seem to have an obsession with Rachel Riley or JK Rowling. They need to get out more and get a grip.
Your way of 'arguing' is incredibly dense - what I have an emotional bond with is the principle that ordinary linguistic usages should not be effaced simply to pander to the offense-seeking of woke idiots. I know that you prefer mindless compliance with whatever the last person told you to say or not to say, but not everyone embraces unthinking orthodoxy with such gusto, I'm afraid.
As I've previously stated, I don't really care. I'll use whitelist, or blacklist, or allowlist, or blocklist. I don't care because it doesn't matter.
It really seems to matter to you though and you should probably have a think why.
I just explained why it matters. There's an entire global movement busy effacing or censoring monuments and cancelling historical figures on solipsistic grounds. Now they're moving effortlessly on to the heart of culture: language, books, art, authors, academics, public figures, films etc. I think they should be resisted, others will just lie down in front of their cultural steamroller for the sake of a quiet life. Your choice; others will make their own.
I guess you must fume at things like 'And Then There Were None' as the new name for an Agatha Christie novel.
Is it still possible to read The Nigger of the Narcissus without being hissed at?
Nope, you have to call it A Tale of the Forecastle or something else in America.
I read many years ago when the FBI were tracking a white supremacist group they used to refer to the title of the book as a euphemism for assaulting African Americans.
Many years ago , working for the Police, we were all sent on a course after the , Stephen Lawrence enquiry. We were told not to use the phrase nitty gritty, which many were surprised at. Since then I have heard it used many times on the media including the BBC.
I heard it might be on the coffee without milk list soon
"Our latest estimates indicate that at any given time during the two weeks from 22 June to 5 July 2020, an average of 14,000 people in England had the coronavirus (COVID-19) (95% confidence interval: 5,000 to 31,000)1. This equates to 0.03% (95% confidence interval: 0.01% to 0.06%)"
I really couldn’t be bothered to go on holiday if there are a million COVIDrules and regulations to adhere to, hardly relaxing. Airports are a horror show at the best of times. Now they must be horrendous... and you can’t get a drink!
Here's a moral conundrum for you - I booked (ages ago) to go to Greece on July 19th for a week. Four days after Greece is expected to let flights from the UK resume.
Greece's policy is to randomly test arrivals and, if they are found to be positive, to send them for 14 days to a "Quarantine Hotel".
So the gamble is go, test negative, have holiday all good; or go, test positive, not only not have holiday but be banged up in some Greek run hostel with food shoved under your door for two weeks.
Would you roll the dice?
Not in any way.
Noted. But you are presumably fit and healthy now? And you have said how you haven't exposed yourself to risk? So.....???
I'm moderate risk (on immune suppression) but have been frequenting supermarkets and have even been dating (with the lack of social distancing that entails). So I guess I have been exposing myself to risk.
Regardless I wouldn't gamble with flying 3 hours to be banged up in a Greek hostel for two weeks.
Yes that is the bottom line. Hmmmm. Plenty of posting time on PB, that said!
That's true. If you were trapped in a room in Greece for 14 days you ought to be able to craft at least a handful of reasonably solid posts.
I agree; given your posts today deflection is probably the best strategy.
Harsh but fair. I'm lacking animus - crtl alt del.
At a clinic in Corona, a working-class neighborhood in Queens, more than 68 percent of people tested positive for antibodies to the new coronavirus. At another clinic in Jackson Heights, Queens, that number was 56 percent. But at a clinic in Cobble Hill, a mostly white and wealthy neighborhood in Brooklyn, only 13 percent of people tested positive for antibodies.
The sadness that follows the happiness when you order something wonderful and then discover it is going to be delivered either by Yodel or Hermes.
This morning there was an unmarked delivery van going down the road dropping off Amazon packages. Whether this is an entrepreneurial startup delivery service taking advantage of the boom in online shopping, or a new security measure, I could not say.
The operators of these vans delivering for Amazon are sons of Satan. They are the mill and mine owners of the 21st century.
A driver was telling me yesterday (socially distanced of course) he earns £85 a day on average, delivering a specified number of packages. He was getting around £120 during Covid for the same hours and number of drops. He said he is well below minimum wage, but that's ok because he is "self employed". He gets a phonecall before midnight to confirm his work for the following day. Shameful, but it's the future!
In which case he is also breaking regulations on working hours driving! I think is 9 hours max per day, £8.72 min wage so £85 is over it if he is legal?
I forgot to mention 6.00 til 18.00. The first hour or so is sorting and loading..
Not sure how you legislate against it if its structured as business to business but £85 for 12 hours not including petrol is certainly exploitative.
At a clinic in Corona, a working-class neighborhood in Queens, more than 68 percent of people tested positive for antibodies to the new coronavirus. At another clinic in Jackson Heights, Queens, that number was 56 percent. But at a clinic in Cobble Hill, a mostly white and wealthy neighborhood in Brooklyn, only 13 percent of people tested positive for antibodies.
The sadness that follows the happiness when you order something wonderful and then discover it is going to be delivered either by Yodel or Hermes.
This morning there was an unmarked delivery van going down the road dropping off Amazon packages. Whether this is an entrepreneurial startup delivery service taking advantage of the boom in online shopping, or a new security measure, I could not say.
The operators of these vans delivering for Amazon are sons of Satan. They are the mill and mine owners of the 21st century.
A driver was telling me yesterday (socially distanced of course) he earns £85 a day on average, delivering a specified number of packages. He was getting around £120 during Covid for the same hours and number of drops. He said he is well below minimum wage, but that's ok because he is "self employed". He gets a phonecall before midnight to confirm his work for the following day. Shameful, but it's the future!
In which case he is also breaking regulations on working hours driving! I think is 9 hours max per day, £8.72 min wage so £85 is over it if he is legal?
I forgot to mention 6.00 til 18.00. The first hour or so is sorting and loading..
Not sure how you legislate against it if its structured as business to business but £85 for 12 hours not including petrol is certainly exploitative.
The entire tax & legislation system needs ripping up and starting over for today's business, supplier and consumer structures.
I really couldn’t be bothered to go on holiday if there are a million COVIDrules and regulations to adhere to, hardly relaxing. Airports are a horror show at the best of times. Now they must be horrendous... and you can’t get a drink!
Here's a moral conundrum for you - I booked (ages ago) to go to Greece on July 19th for a week. Four days after Greece is expected to let flights from the UK resume.
Greece's policy is to randomly test arrivals and, if they are found to be positive, to send them for 14 days to a "Quarantine Hotel".
So the gamble is go, test negative, have holiday all good; or go, test positive, not only not have holiday but be banged up in some Greek run hostel with food shoved under your door for two weeks.
Would you roll the dice?
Not in any way.
Noted. But you are presumably fit and healthy now? And you have said how you haven't exposed yourself to risk? So.....???
I'm moderate risk (on immune suppression) but have been frequenting supermarkets and have even been dating (with the lack of social distancing that entails). So I guess I have been exposing myself to risk.
Regardless I wouldn't gamble with flying 3 hours to be banged up in a Greek hostel for two weeks.
IF you are dating, you most definitely are exposing yourself to risk - Covid or no Covid!
At a clinic in Corona, a working-class neighborhood in Queens, more than 68 percent of people tested positive for antibodies to the new coronavirus. At another clinic in Jackson Heights, Queens, that number was 56 percent. But at a clinic in Cobble Hill, a mostly white and wealthy neighborhood in Brooklyn, only 13 percent of people tested positive for antibodies.
NYTimes
That is possibly very, very big news.
Fascinatingly the suburb is actually called Corona.
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The cumulative effect of this, on the economy, is so momentous it is hard to gauge. Unprecedented.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/506522-seoul-mayor-reported-missing-search-launched
The mayor of Seoul, South Korea, was reported missing on Thursday, leading to a large-scale search.
Park Won-soon was reported missing after his daughter said he had left her a message that sounded like a will, police officials told The Associated Press.
About 300 to 400 officers and a drone were involved in the search, which centered near a small hill where the mayor’s cellphone signal was last recorded before it was turned off, police said.
His daughter contacted police after being unable to reach her father, saying the verbal message she received from him four to five hours earlier was “will-like.” Park’s daughter did not detail the contents of the message, a Seoul Metropolitan Police Agency officer in charge of the search told the AP.
Park’s daughter reported the mayor missing at about 5 p.m. local time, a police official familiar with the case told CNN.
Kim Ji-hyeong, a Seoul Metropolitan Government official, told the news outlet that the mayor did not show up for work Thursday and had canceled all events on his calendar, including a scheduled meeting with a presidential official.
The reason for the mayor’s disappearance was unclear, but the Seoul-based SBS television network reported one of his secretaries had reported an alleged sexual harassment complaint Wednesday night....
The same with whitelist. I can legally use the term but choose not to do so.
Ex-Sanders aides launch pro-Biden ad targeting Latino voters
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/09/sanders-aides-pro-biden-ad-latino-voters-354101
A pair of super PACs launched by top aides to Bernie Sanders’ 2020 campaign is rolling out its first presidential campaign ad.
The spot, shared with POLITICO, targets Latino voters and attacks President Donald Trump over his handling of the Covid-19 pandemic. It is part of a seven-figure buy that will appear on TV and digitally in Arizona, Michigan and North Carolina, in Spanish as well as English...
So the government needn't say I shouldn't call @BluestBlue a c**t or use the term whitelist . . . I can using my own beliefs and my own logic decide not to do so unless I choose to be offensive.
That's not illiberal.
The discussion, perfectly summed up by @MaxPB, is facile.
Don't use the words fine. But you are banging on about (society, presumably) changing. Unless all you are doing is posturing, or you advocate some sanction, it is indeed facile for you to tell everyone how they should be talking.
Therefore, trying to impose a permanent consensus as a way of avoiding debate is anathema, and will only lead to trouble.
Is it something so simple and obvious that it requires me to go wear a dunce's cap for the rest of the month?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1281206354334625793
Society can change through people's actions it doesn't need government sanctions to evolve change.
As in tweets are often labelled 1/n if there will eventually be n of them.
Trump is an innumerate fool.
Simply and obvious. Here is your cap 💩
They may, of course, be on 99 different subjects
My neighbour who was left high and dry due to summary closure of the Static Caravan Parks leaving her stranded having just paid 3k annual fees has started again.
Ben Stokes should never captain England ever again.
1/100 is one hundredth
100th is one hundredth
1/100th isn't is it?
Then again they might just ask me to sprint 100m to see how breathless I am.
If the answer is Trump, what is the question?
A driver was telling me yesterday (socially distanced of course) he earns £85 a day on average, delivering a specified number of packages. He was getting around £120 during Covid for the same hours and number of drops. He said he is well below minimum wage, but that's ok because he is "self employed". He gets a phonecall before midnight to confirm his work for the following day. Shameful, but it's the future!
Since then I have heard it used many times on the media including the BBC.
read Turing's dissertation on the Universal Machine. He looks like a lower
primate trying to fly an aeroplane."
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/nitty-gritty.html
(I know, I know, "BAME" is on its way out)
Edit: I wouldn't dare to presume how @TheScreamingEagles or @MaxPB describe themselves of course.
But the different taxes also have different impacts on different demographics and can be more or less politically acceptable, and easier or less easy to evade.
Worst impact to least impact: Tax on financial transactions (which can dramatically lower economic activity), then tax on corporate profits, then progressive income taxes (because richer people can more easily forgo income than poorer people), then flat rate income taxes, then consumption taxes, then taxes on immovable property. A variety of the latter (Land Value Tax) is unique in having a positive effect on growth (as well as being remarkably hard to evade, unless you can squirrel away parcels of UK land in an overseas tax haven somehow...).
But shifting things down the scale is both politically challenging and can have other negative effects.
Had my first coffee out last week, but our local park visitor centre are obviously members of the slow-cheese-toastie movement.
If no one is tested then no cases are confirmed. Deaths are a slightly stickier point, but if Covid fatalities are recorded as pneumonia, the fatalities are nil.
Covid-19 eradicated. Re-elect that man!
No, wait....
Amazon. Ebay. B2C. Supermarkets. They can't all have separate last mile delivery networks all overlapping and on top of each other. I've had 3 separate Amazon drops in 1 day off a single order - madness. I'm not sure what the solution is - convenience stores as collection hubs? Get Tesco to deliver your Amazon package with your shopping? Whatever, an army of slaves in diesels cannot be allowed to continue.
I decided to take the Avenue Q approach and make everyone a little bit racist. Can be useful for world-building. Currently reading Steven Brust's The Book of Jhereg, and there's some anti-human racism in there too.
Much appreciated.
https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1281230489962139648
To get into the rhythm, try saying 'Chaaaynah' several times beforehand.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/latest
"Our latest estimates indicate that at any given time during the two weeks from 22 June to 5 July 2020, an average of 14,000 people in England had the coronavirus (COVID-19) (95% confidence interval: 5,000 to 31,000)1. This equates to 0.03% (95% confidence interval: 0.01% to 0.06%)"
NYTimes