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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yay! FCO says I can go to Singapore!

    Singapore says no.

    As do many of the countries on the list.....

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-countries-and-territories-exempt-from-advice-against-all-but-essential-international-travel

    FCO says you can return from Singapore without quarantine. Very different, but good news for British expats stuck there or transiting from Australia.
    You can't leave Australia any more, the last repatriation flight was about a month ago.
    AIUI there’s plenty of Brits who got those last flights out of Australia, are still scattered all over the place in Asia and the ME trying to get back. Also plenty of Brits who have lost jobs in these regions and no longer have residency.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,829
    dixiedean said:

    I always associated the term "gaslighting" to specifically refer to cases of domestic abuse.
    It most certainly does exist in that context and is a useful and widespread term for some awful behaviours.
    I have only come across it today in other situations. Not sure it serves any great purpose in these if it merely means "not in agreement with me."

    It's certainly of relevance in the workplace.

    An example I gave was the Post Office treatment of the the sub postmasters over their accounting scandal. Toxic managements absolutely do gaslight selected employees.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,662
    Virtually certain to be a BIG spike in COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations & deaths in USA this weekend.

    Why? Because Saturday is July 4th - Independence Day.

    Traditionally the holiday is celebrated from sea to shining sea with fireworks and fire crackers, leading to numerous injuries and a few deaths. THIS year, this body count will be down, but the Creeping Crud will more than make up for the difference.

    BTW when yours truly thinks about 4th of July, always remember the great scene from "The Great Escape" when trio of American POWs hosted (if that's the word) an epic Independence Day celebration for the mass of British POWs in Stalag Luft III. This scene was based on a true incident, as described in Paul Brickhill's classic book. At first the German guards thought a riot had broken out - then they realized it was one hell of an Anglo-American party, a real red-white-and-blue hooohaaa and brain fry.

    SO this Independence Day, will be thanking you UKers - we couldn't have done it without you!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,168
    edited July 2020
    Boris says guidelines will be published next week to get cricket resumed next weekend and Whitty confirms should be OK with precautions.

    Boris says guidelines will also be published regarding reopening theatres next week
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,829
    edited July 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    RobD said:

    nico67 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Does it need to? And going forward, does it need to join every EU scheme under the sun?
    What if the UK vaccine currently being developed doesn’t work out ? Wouldn’t it make sense to have an insurance policy ? Or does the hatred of anything with EU in the name by the cabinet mean the UK puts all its eggs in one basket .
    You think the only way of doing that is with the EU?
    I think Tonga has an advanced programme which we could ask to piggyback.
    Since you're mocking Tonga can you point me in the direction of the advanced programmes of research the EU has into a vaccine? How do they compare with the Oxford/Astrazenica research?
    Can you point me to figures comparing UK vaccine manufacturing capacity with that based in the EU ? (I suspect not.)
    Production capacity is as important, if not more so, in delivering vaccines on a mass scale as the vaccine development itself.

    As far as European vaccine efforts are concerned, there are a number.

    Here's a recent list of the most advanced/promising vaccine programs:
    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/06/29/coronavirus-vaccine-update-june-29
    I've listed the European based involvement below:
    Reithera (Italy)

    Merck (US) /Themis (Austria)

    Pfizer (US)/Biontech (Germany)

    CureVac (Germany)

    Sanofi (France)/Translate (US)

    Sanofi (France)/ GSK (UK)
    Vaccine production capability is the key point here. And - IIRC - the vast majority of vaccines are still made using hen's eggs, where small amounts are injected into eggs, where they replicate, and are then harvested.

    Now, I could be wrong, but the UK's very strict animal welfare standards mean it's unlikely that we have much capacity. Simply, our chickens (and eggs) are more expensive than those where standards are lower.
    Not this lot.
    It's the old style vaccines which are produced like that (cf most of the Chinese development programmes). Bioreactors tend to be the fashion these days.

    Companies like Lonza Biologics do the contract manufacturing.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,789
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yay! FCO says I can go to Singapore!

    Singapore says no.

    As do many of the countries on the list.....

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-countries-and-territories-exempt-from-advice-against-all-but-essential-international-travel

    FCO says you can return from Singapore without quarantine. Very different, but good news for British expats stuck there or transiting from Australia.
    You can't leave Australia any more, the last repatriation flight was about a month ago.
    Multiple airlines (Qatar, Etihad, SQ for example) are flying from Sydney.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,361

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Mind you, I expect it should be fairly easy to get a 6am booking and you'd probably have the pub to yourself.

    I remember several years ago I arranged to meet a client for a breakfast meeting in the City and he took me to a pub in Smithfields and there we sat at 7.30am supping pints...
    Those pubs used to be key in doing the 24 hour pub crawl in the old days. Them, plus late lock-ins, and "dens" to bridge the middle of pm hole.

    Don't know why I'm telling you. Granny and eggs.
    Did you ever go to the "bar" under Venus Videos in Soho - opened at 3am?
    That's not ringing a bell. But given the years passed and my default condition in those days at 3am it doesn't mean I didn't.

    I'd have run into you then by the sounds of it.
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    LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    I always associated the term "gaslighting" to specifically refer to cases of domestic abuse.
    It most certainly does exist in that context and is a useful and widespread term for some awful behaviours.
    I have only come across it today in other situations. Not sure it serves any great purpose in these if it merely means "not in agreement with me."

    It's certainly of relevance in the workplace.

    An example I gave was the Post Office treatment of the the sub postmasters over their accounting scandal. Toxic managements absolutely do gaslight selected employees.
    Agreed. Gaslighting is overused but it is useful. It really does happen. And there is no other word to describe "an attempt to persuade someone they must believe something that this same person knows to be untrue"
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,068
    PM Johnson has just, apparently, said that recreational cricket can start next weekend. No, no reason why the ........... insert epithet of choice........ changed his mind, but apparently that just been on the 'presser'
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    LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
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    No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 3,850

    Virtually certain to be a BIG spike in COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations & deaths in USA this weekend.

    Why? Because Saturday is July 4th - Independence Day.

    Traditionally the holiday is celebrated from sea to shining sea with fireworks and fire crackers, leading to numerous injuries and a few deaths. THIS year, this body count will be down, but the Creeping Crud will more than make up for the difference.

    BTW when yours truly thinks about 4th of July, always remember the great scene from "The Great Escape" when trio of American POWs hosted (if that's the word) an epic Independence Day celebration for the mass of British POWs in Stalag Luft III. This scene was based on a true incident, as described in Paul Brickhill's classic book. At first the German guards thought a riot had broken out - then they realized it was one hell of an Anglo-American party, a real red-white-and-blue hooohaaa and brain fry.

    SO this Independence Day, will be thanking you UKers - we couldn't have done it without you!

    The infections may be this weekend, but won't the hospitalisations ("s" not "z"!) be next weekend and the deaths the weekend after?
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,662
    NEW THRED
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    Pulpstar said:
    That list is like choosing between children!

    Lewis Hamilton winning the championship at the last corner in 2008 and Liverpool winning the CL on penalties in 2005 stand out, the 2005 Ashes the runner up, but Jonny Wilkinson Drops for World Cup Glory, at 10am in the pub after about eight pints has to be the winner.

    The one that’s not there, the 2012 Olympics as an event. It set out to inspire a generation and massively overachieved.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,018
    kinabalu said:
    That’s what I voted for too. The Oval 2005 was rather antic-climatic in the way it concluded - great knock by KP though. My inclination would be to go for a cricket highlight, and I was rather surprised that Ben Stokes at Headingley in 2019 was not included. Yes, in the end we still lost the Ashes, but I think that was simply the greatest all-round achievement by a cricketer that I’ve ever seen.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,072

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yay! FCO says I can go to Singapore!

    Singapore says no.

    As do many of the countries on the list.....

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-countries-and-territories-exempt-from-advice-against-all-but-essential-international-travel

    FCO says you can return from Singapore without quarantine. Very different, but good news for British expats stuck there or transiting from Australia.
    You can't leave Australia any more, the last repatriation flight was about a month ago.
    Multiple airlines (Qatar, Etihad, SQ for example) are flying from Sydney.
    https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/

    "There’s a ban on overseas travel from Australia. You can’t leave Australia unless you get an exemption from the Department of Home Affairs."

    I don't think the ten or so international flights a day from Sydney are for regular travellers.
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    No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 3,850
    kinabalu said:
    Agree.Murray.
    But why is WBA's "great escape" not in the shortlist?
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060
    edited July 2020
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    @Fysics_Teacher

    Have you seen the consultation from OFQUAL on next year’s exams? They have suggested science for GCSE temporarily lose the practical element for this very reason.

    Jumping in as a physics teacher, but not the definite article, so to speak...

    Pretty sensible. The practical endorsement was a pretty ingenious idea in the GCSE reforms; candidates have to have experience of doing the techniques embodied in the practicals. There is school-level checking, but no direct contribution to the main grade. It gets round the problem of the old controlled assessment, where it was rational to do the two assessed experiments to death and nothing else.

    If there's going to be any sort of distancing for any length of time, I can't imagine how school lab practicals can possibly work- they're usually pair work at best at GCSE. So even if the more extreme adaptations turn out not to be necessary in September, this looks like an easy cut that won't do too much harm for one year.
    The stuff for History is rather weird and wonderful.

    They’re also proposing to ditch the fieldwork element for GCSE geography in toto, but keep it for A-level. I imagine that’s because they consider smaller numbers will be easier to manage.

    The idea in science seems to be that the students will watch practicals rather than do them. So say, you record it, stream it to Teams or Youtube or wherever, and they watch it. Or just find it online off the Beeb or whatever who will probably put up some good stuff on Bitesize if this goes ahead.

    A substitute - not perhaps the most foolish of ideas though.
    There is a website we subscribe to which has simulations of the GCSE practicals. As one of the practicals is effectively impossible to do as written, we have been using it for a couple of years. We do the closest we can get to the experiment in the lab then get our pupils to use the website so they know what the board thought should happen.
    It also works well for revision.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,393
    Scientists

    No uptake in infections from recent protests and beaches lack of social distancing
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,361
    LadyG said:
    Interesting - although it's only Justin Webb. Trump can be laid at 1.1 for the nomination.

    That Tucker Carlson sounds like your sort of guy.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,672
    LadyG said:

    Nigelb said:

    dixiedean said:

    I always associated the term "gaslighting" to specifically refer to cases of domestic abuse.
    It most certainly does exist in that context and is a useful and widespread term for some awful behaviours.
    I have only come across it today in other situations. Not sure it serves any great purpose in these if it merely means "not in agreement with me."

    It's certainly of relevance in the workplace.

    An example I gave was the Post Office treatment of the the sub postmasters over their accounting scandal. Toxic managements absolutely do gaslight selected employees.
    Agreed. Gaslighting is overused but it is useful. It really does happen. And there is no other word to describe "an attempt to persuade someone they must believe something that this same person knows to be untrue"
    That's what Wokeism is.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,472

    Virtually certain to be a BIG spike in COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations & deaths in USA this weekend.

    Why? Because Saturday is July 4th - Independence Day.

    Traditionally the holiday is celebrated from sea to shining sea with fireworks and fire crackers, leading to numerous injuries and a few deaths. THIS year, this body count will be down, but the Creeping Crud will more than make up for the difference.

    BTW when yours truly thinks about 4th of July, always remember the great scene from "The Great Escape" when trio of American POWs hosted (if that's the word) an epic Independence Day celebration for the mass of British POWs in Stalag Luft III. This scene was based on a true incident, as described in Paul Brickhill's classic book. At first the German guards thought a riot had broken out - then they realized it was one hell of an Anglo-American party, a real red-white-and-blue hooohaaa and brain fry.

    SO this Independence Day, will be thanking you UKers - we couldn't have done it without you!

    Not that much of a true incident - in the real great escape, there weren’t any Americans, and those in the film were added purely for box office reasons.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,361
    Pulpstar said:
    :smile: - Like it!
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,472
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yay! FCO says I can go to Singapore!

    Singapore says no.

    As do many of the countries on the list.....

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-countries-and-territories-exempt-from-advice-against-all-but-essential-international-travel

    FCO says you can return from Singapore without quarantine. Very different, but good news for British expats stuck there or transiting from Australia.
    You can't leave Australia any more, the last repatriation flight was about a month ago.
    Multiple airlines (Qatar, Etihad, SQ for example) are flying from Sydney.
    https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/

    "There’s a ban on overseas travel from Australia. You can’t leave Australia unless you get an exemption from the Department of Home Affairs."

    I don't think the ten or so international flights a day from Sydney are for regular travellers.
    Just like old times?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,361

    kinabalu said:
    That’s what I voted for too. The Oval 2005 was rather antic-climatic in the way it concluded - great knock by KP though. My inclination would be to go for a cricket highlight, and I was rather surprised that Ben Stokes at Headingley in 2019 was not included. Yes, in the end we still lost the Ashes, but I think that was simply the greatest all-round achievement by a cricketer that I’ve ever seen.
    And it caused that rush of pure delight which is the USP of a great sporting moment.
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,914
    edited July 2020
    It seems not everybody hates Trump.

    I have an early Gmail account which means that I got to use my name without any modification. This is both good, because it is easily remembered, and bad, because I get emails for all sorts of people around the world who don't seem to know what their own email address is.

    Anyway, today, "I" ordered:

    Shipping & Handling × 1 $ 4.96
    Vintage Mesh Trump 2020 Hat × 3 $ 26.85
    Total $ 31.81

    I wonder if they are made in China?

    The red team are thus getting at least one vote in Columbus, Wisconsin.

    And I'm getting lots of pro-Trump spam. Joy!
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,941
    edited July 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yay! FCO says I can go to Singapore!

    Singapore says no.

    As do many of the countries on the list.....

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-countries-and-territories-exempt-from-advice-against-all-but-essential-international-travel

    FCO says you can return from Singapore without quarantine. Very different, but good news for British expats stuck there or transiting from Australia.
    You can't leave Australia any more, the last repatriation flight was about a month ago.
    Multiple airlines (Qatar, Etihad, SQ for example) are flying from Sydney.
    https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/

    "There’s a ban on overseas travel from Australia. You can’t leave Australia unless you get an exemption from the Department of Home Affairs."

    I don't think the ten or so international flights a day from Sydney are for regular travellers.
    The planes leaving are mostly 777s full of cargo, some of which have a handful of pax who are happy leaving the country indefinitely.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,028

    It seems not everybody hates Trump.

    I have an early Gmail account which means that I got to use my name without any modification. This is both good, because it is easily remembered, and bad, because I get emails for all sorts of people around the world who don't seem to know what their own email is.

    Anyway, today, "I" ordered:

    Shipping & Handling × 1 $ 4.96
    Vintage Mesh Trump 2020 Hat × 3 $ 26.85
    Total $ 31.81

    I wonder if they are made in China?

    The red team are thus getting at least one vote in Columbus, Wisconsin.

    And I'm getting lots of pro-Trump spam. Joy!

    That reminds me - I must log into mine (not quite early enough to be first name by itself but not far off) - not done it for a while
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,789
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yay! FCO says I can go to Singapore!

    Singapore says no.

    As do many of the countries on the list.....

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-countries-and-territories-exempt-from-advice-against-all-but-essential-international-travel

    FCO says you can return from Singapore without quarantine. Very different, but good news for British expats stuck there or transiting from Australia.
    You can't leave Australia any more, the last repatriation flight was about a month ago.
    Multiple airlines (Qatar, Etihad, SQ for example) are flying from Sydney.
    https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/

    "There’s a ban on overseas travel from Australia. You can’t leave Australia unless you get an exemption from the Department of Home Affairs."

    I don't think the ten or so international flights a day from Sydney are for regular travellers.
    The ban only (sic) applies to Australians. Australia has not imprisoned visitors:

    Non-citizens
    Due to the current COVID-19 situation in Australia, including state and territory border restrictions, business closures and social distancing requirements, international visitors are encouraged to return home when possible to do so.


    Temporary visa holders returning home
    Temporary visa holders impacted by COVID-19 can make arrangements to return to their home country, if border restrictions in that country allow.

    Temporary visa holders do not need an exemption to depart Australia. They can leave at any time, as long as border restrictions in their home country allow them to return....

    Commercial flights are available in several major airports across Australia. These airlines are currently operating flights departing Australia:
    Airlines flying include: Air New Zealand | Asiana | Vietnam Airlines | Cathay Pacific | Air China | Qantas | United | Malayasia Airlines | SriLankan Airlines | Singapore Air | Emirates | Qatar Airways


    https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/leaving-australia
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,914
    edited July 2020
    Some news on the coronavirus front.

    "In Doncaster, we are not at any risk of an impending lockdown. Our figures are lower than other places in England. There are two rates that are in the public domain. The first one 15-21 June is 17.4/100,000, the second from June 21 – 27 is 21.6/100,000. This rise is due to a small but well managed outbreak in a care home.

    There has been much speculation about an impending lockdown for Doncaster. This is not the case. If a lockdown was to be implemented, then as Director of Public Health, I would only consider such a measure if the rate was 70 infections per 100,000 and we nowhere near that figure."


    Is that the countrywide local lockdown threshold, I wonder? 70/100,000?
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,848
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    FPT

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    TOPPING said:

    As for BoJo's nomenclature? Nor really fussed tbh.

    I think OnlyLivingBoy goes too far, but I do agree that that "Boris" is problematic, even if only mildly. From an electoral advantage point of view, I mean. Fair playing field and all that. So it`s Johnson and Starmer for me. Always has been.
    I don't see why using a forename is problematic at all.

    "Call me Tony" started this before Boris was an MP and when I was a child. Then we had "Dave" decades later.

    I couldn't give less of a s**t if people say Boris or Johnson and the more people whinge about it the more tempted I am to just write Boris.
    You are a big big supporter of his. So "Boris" makes sense for you. You want to push his brand. You want him to prosper.

    Any "Johnson" from you - which we do sometimes get - is a bonus and much appreciated.
    But I don't call him Boris to be partisan, I do it because its his name.

    Just like Tony or Gordon before him.
    If you had called Blair "Charles" or "Anthony" - also one of his names - then that would have been weird.

    Johnson reportedly goes by the name Al in his private life, so using that makes some sense. Although "Boris" is one of his names he uses it as a brand identity. Perhaps Blair was the same and doesn't use "Tony" in his private life.

    I think the aspect of it being a public persona, rather than a more natural intimacy, is worthy of comment (but not whinging, oh no, never that).
    That's ridiculous. I couldn't care what name he uses privately, he's not Al to me. Boris is his name, just like Tony Blair's public name was Tony even if it wasn't his first name. Gordon Brown's public name was Gordon even if it wasn't his first name.

    I don't think public personas for public people is worthy of comment, public people should be entitled to private lives just like everyone else.

    Superman gets in the news for his actions under that name, even if his friends in private life call him Clark in his private life, or his parents called him Kal-El.
    That's an interesting (!) persona that pops into your mind when you think of Boris Johnson. Superman.

    What's going on there?
    I had a feeling you'd respond to that. :grin:

    I didn't compare Boris to Clark Kent - and if I really wanted to compliment him I'd compare him to Bruce Wayne instead. But I don't, not like that.
    OK. If you were just trying to trigger me it's mission accomplished.

    I wouldn't put it past you to subliminally think Superman - tight yellow top, red trunks and all - when you see him but I will accept for now that this is not the case.

    Disappointed with that "Boris" there.
    Well you're the one who keeps going on about how "Boris" is a persona, an act.

    So on the one hand we have a hero who makes the world a better place, but hides it behind a mild mannered persona and acting as a journalist . . . and on the other hand we have the Man of Steel.
    Yes, very good.

    But re your point, no, a BRAND. And I do not "go on about it". I gave it an airing today for the 1st time in ages. Hopefully, one or two "Boris" posters who are not fans of his will at least think about maybe switching to "Johnson".

    This is all I ask or could ever hope for.
    Personally I can't stand the guy but from now on he will definitely be Boris to me just because Kinablue and the righteous posse hate it.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    RobD said:

    nico67 said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Does it need to? And going forward, does it need to join every EU scheme under the sun?
    What if the UK vaccine currently being developed doesn’t work out ? Wouldn’t it make sense to have an insurance policy ? Or does the hatred of anything with EU in the name by the cabinet mean the UK puts all its eggs in one basket .
    You think the only way of doing that is with the EU?
    I think Tonga has an advanced programme which we could ask to piggyback.
    Since you're mocking Tonga can you point me in the direction of the advanced programmes of research the EU has into a vaccine? How do they compare with the Oxford/Astrazenica research?
    Mocking Tonga? Your kidding, right? I think we should jump in with both feet to whatever they are doing.

    Why wouldn't I? Tonga and the EU are pretty similar in all sorts of ways.
    I think we should keep open eyes to what everyone's doing but I'm not especially familiar with either Tonga's scheme of research or the EU's.

    I'm aware of trials ongoing in the UK, USA, Brazil, South Africa, China and elsewhere - I'm curious about these EU trials to which you refer can you point me in their direction please I'd like to read up on them?
    Here you go, one of the main candidates is this one:

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_1034
    https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/pfizer-biontech-vaccine-data/

    (although I think the EU's new announcement is more about buying power than research).
    Thanks. I suspect so yes for your brackets. Considering we've already got an agreement with Astrazenica for production of a vaccine I'm not sure whether reneging on that to sign up for an alternative arrangement is better or not.
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