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Wikipedia has a history of the Liberal Unionist Party:. The most well-known Liberal Unionist arguably was Joseph Chamberlain, father of Neville, and for 19 days leader of the Opposition in 1906 after Balfour lost his seat in Manchester as part of the disastrous Conservative election defeat.
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Attributing any sort of principles or ideology to the great self regarding pudding in Downing Street is however stretching credibility too far,
Johnson may be a Liberal Unionist. But is his party?
Liberal Unionists started off a Liberals who split with their former party due over Home Rule as proposed by Liberal leader Wm E. Gladstone (who began his own political odyssey as a Tory). Joe Chamberlain was indeed a radical Liberal, but he was opposed to Home Rule (even though he acted as a go-between for Gladstone & Charles Stewart Parnell, leader of the Irish (Home Rule) Party.
Liberal Unionist cooperated closely with Conservatives, and ended up merging into the Conservative and Unionist Party (hence the name).
Young Winston first ran for Parliament as a Conservative (not Liberal Unionist) candidate. Then after he was elected (on 2nd attempt) he crossed the aisle an joined the (non-unionist) Liberals, over issue of Free Trade (Joe C was a protectionist) and also because it was clearly path to power.
Churchill was a supporter of Home Rule for Ireland, but NOT independence; thus he was heavily involved in the Black & Tan War until he help negotiate the Anglo-Irish Treaty.
When the Liberals self-destructed during & after WWI, Churchill ended up (after a brief transition) re-joining the Conservative Party - one reason why True Blue Tories never really trusted him until AFTER WW2.
You want to argue for consistency or formaility politicians should, as nearly all do, go by their first name (although frankly Sir Keir is not doing too badly in that respect)? Fine. But to get het up about it being endearing or cringy? Screw that, it's saying the public are idiotic monkeys swayed by using what isn't even his actual first name, despite very easy examples of criticising and insulting him whilst still using Boris.
Criticising it on that basis is judging people and presuming what their views of him are based on absolutely nothing.
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1278803791425482752?s=20
You now finally have your first PL title, 28 years after the competition began, well done. but let's not get carried away, the problems will start when Klopp moves on so I wouldn't overdo the gloating just yet, I'd wait till you are closing in on United's 13 titles.
It hasn't really. The Conservative recognises the fact of devolution but if it could press a button that cancelled it without any political, electoral or legal consequences it would. This inclination is even more firmly embedded in their Scotch cousins.
To be honest our problems when Klopp moves on will pale into comparison when the despotic regime in Abu Dhab/UAEi falls/oil prices consistently collapses and you get dumped like an ex with the clap and back to the third level of English football if you're lucky.
It's hard to escape the impression that the government really, really can't be bothered with Covid any more. And perhaps- like Trump- masks would be a too-visible sign of their failure to properly squash the virus.
Rather, the party of Thomas Jefferson, etc. was called by it's leaders, followers & opponents the Republican Party. But to eliminate confusion with the later Republican Party (circa 1856-date) historians used Democratic-Republican for the older party.
After the demise of the Federalist Party, the dominant old Republican Party factionalized, eventually leading to creation of two new groupings:
>> the Democratic Party, whose initial standard-bearer was Andrew Jackson (aka The Democracy) so called because it supported greater democratization and universal White manhood suffrage.
>> the Whig Party, named in honor of the British Whigs as opposed to British Tories (post-Glorious Revolution, pre-American Revolution). In contrast to Democrats, Whigs supported nationalism as opposed to state's rights, and distrusted democracy (especially as polluted by turbulent Irish immigrants).
The Whig Party fell apart in 1850s (like British Liberal Party did in early 20th century) over issue of slavery. It's demise resulted in the creation of two new parties: American Party (Know Nothings) focused on threat of immigration (sound familiar?) and Republican Party dedicated to stopping the expansion of slavery. After a brief tug-of-war, the Know Nothings also fell apart (due to guess what - slavery!) and most ended up with the Republicans Party.
The Democrats also had their splits, but retained their existence during and after the Civil War, mostly in the shadow of the Republican Party until 1932 and the advent of the New Deal.
Is the British government giving out millions of masks?
Daily number of lab-confirmed UK cases - 576 - big drop
Daily number of COVID-19 associated UK deaths - 89 - another big drop
All data from the last 3-5 days subject to further revision> last 5 days included for completeness
England case data - Pillar 1 & 2
Hopefully we can win the league next season and the year after to reclaim our perch of the most league titles by any squad, as well as already being the most successful club in England by major trophies.
The use of the symbol predated its association with Nazism but caused 'misunderstandings'"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/02/finlands-air-force-drops-swastika-emblem-century-use/
I am not sure if I agree with it entirely - I would need to consider it a lot more and see some of the other arguments back and forth - but it is great to read a thread header that educates me on an aspect of political history.
Democratic symbol is today a donkey - a working animal in old-school USA, noot a circus attraction. However, during 1800s main Dem symbol with a cock (very belligerent rooster NOT what some of yez perverts are thinking!) Indeed, in some states the official Democratic symbol is still the fighting chicken; as in the old advice "scratch the rooster" meaning in this case, vote the straight-Democratic ticket.
Whig symbol; was the raccoon - one reason by former Whit Congressman Davy Crockett was wearing (at least part of the time) a coon-skin cap at the Alamo.
He benefits big time from the phony sense of intimacy which the "Boris" handle imbues. There is no question of that. Don't kid yourself it makes no difference.
It's then up to you whether to collaborate in this or not. But unless you are a strong supporter of him or this government I would suggest that it makes sense not to.
Most fans discussing the sport tab about the PL and CL era. Obviously Liverpool fans don't because up to now they have been spectacularly unsuccessful in the modern era. It's understandable, all you had up to Klopp's arrival was your history.
We'll talk about what happens after our owners sell up when it happens. It's been being predicted since the day they took over.
England Case Data Pillars 1 & 2 -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/14EbynHa3HVgBaPNCdl663_ZxeuvIeiNh/view?usp=sharing
BoJo's "biography" is just a hair above a coloring-book version. There's no there there. Bought my copy 2nd-hand at deep discount, and still paid too much.
Quite like that one Ian. Yes. Has a nice ring of gentle exasperation to it.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/07/what-does-daisy-coopers-endorsement-ed-davey-mean-liberal-democrat-leadership
1.5 Backward contact tracing
A current study on the utility of backward contact tracing is being piloted across England. Leicester city residents have been included in the pilot. Against an intended sample of 50 cases, only 11 cases in the city had successfully completed the study until 24 June 2020. Preliminary analysis of the 11 cases did not identify any events with multiple households attending. Most of the cases did not report leaving home, other than for visiting supermarkets
Chloe Smith obviously realised she had made a mistake when answering John Spellar's question and she set out the correct position at the very beginning of the afternoon session yesterday:
"I wanted to clarify a point that was raised by the right hon. Member for Warley...…………."
https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2020-06-30/debates/421b1932-ccc1-4b40-a166-18556820ab45/ParliamentaryConstituenciesBill(EighthSitting)
What is interesting is how the epidemic is falling off a cliff in much of the country vs the outbreaks. In many places it is gone - in others, halving in a week.
But an interesting article nonetheless.
9% of voters are still undecided, 4% voting for Other candidates
Ie track and trace is saying "Bob has the virus, Bob has been in touch with these 8 people, get them tested" - whereas I would imagine that backwards tracing is "Bob has the virus, who did he get it from and did anyone else get it from the same event?"
Nationally we seem to be catching a far, far higher proportion of cases in the community than we are in the hospital. So either the disease is suddenly much less deadly (unlikely) or we're getting better as a country at tracking who's got it.
You had different defenders in the past 2 seasons than you've got this season. Not replacing Kompany in the summer does look like it was a tremendous mistake.
Incidentally the number of tested persons is available at last too.
https://twitter.com/justinmadders/status/1278806189980123136?s=09
Anyway onwards and upwards to next season, although we do still have 2 trophies to go for in the remainder of this one.
I think your description of it as collaboration and suggestion it is only for those who are strong supporters of him is insulting and beneath you. It's pathetic to suggest people are so stupid that any sense of 'familiarity' is akin to collaboration. Up yours, I thought you better than that.
I seriously cannot grasp the mental process that thinks people are 'collaborating' in some kind of intimacy by calling him what people call him. That you maintain that position even though its used by people who are not strong supporters of his instantly makes your point utter garbage, yet people persist in it even as their own words show what garbage it is.
You think the news will improve for him, based on a) COVID-19 trend; b) ecomomic trend; and c) his disinclination to throw away the shovel and stop digging the hole he's in deeper?
Who is that masked man? Is it the Lone Ranger?
No, it's just our Antifi Governor!
Trump getting 30% of the Hispanic vote.
Neither of which I believe.
In addition to public surveys showing him losing decisively to Joseph R. Biden Jr. in a number of battleground states, private Republican polls in recent weeks show the president struggling even in conservative states, leading Mr. Biden by less than five points in Montana and trailing him in Georgia and even Kansas, according to G.O.P. officials who have seen the data."
“People are making judgments about the president’s performance there and how he’s handling it,” said John Thune of South Dakota, the second-ranking Senate Republican, making no attempt to sugarcoat what he acknowledged has become a referendum on Mr. Trump’s performance. “Sometimes you get dealt a hand and you got to play it.”
As a native of the Keystone State (my grandfather used to give me toy Penzoil trucks to play with) yours truly maintains a strong interest in PA politics.
Trump's victory in 2016 was due to ancestoral rust-belt & rural-backwater Democrats in Western PA swinging hard his way - a pattern repeated from Maine to Washington State.
In 2018, GOP tightened its hold in many areas captured by Trumpsky. But these gains were more than offset by Republican loses in Eastern PA, esp the Philadelphia suburbs.
Looking to 2020, story in July 2 NYT says that local GOP leader state (for publication anyway) they are confident the President can erase current -10% PA deficit versus Biden, thanks to
> GOP advantage in new voter registrations;
> a return to in-person organizing versus Biden virtual campaigning;
> a range of issues: energy (fracking), economic reopening & police defunding
To me, the best argument is the first. However, also think that Trumpsky may have achieved his max already in Western PA outside of Pittsburgh (which is in much better economically than rest of region) whereas Dems are still gaining votes Philly & Pittburgh burbs. But registration numbers are indeed important.
As for in-person organizing, think that Tulsa shows that might be problematic for some time. And while virtual campaigning is not my cup of tea, the Democrats are currently working it for all were worth. Delayed & late primaries help this cause, as does the massive increase in absentee voting.
Issues are a toss-up. Fracking is a plus for Reps in rust belt & rural areas, way less so in cities & suburbs. And don't think Trumpsky is getting the better end of the economy vs health debate as premise that public health heresy makes good economic policy ain't looking so hot right now. And defunding police is a bad sound bite, but it seems that even conservative voters have been part of the BLM sea change over here since George Floyd was killed.
Problem for BoJo & Trumpsky here is the same - Republicans elected to Congress and Tories elected to Parliament by and large do NOT want massive public investment in infrastructure, for both ideological and business reasons.
As for foreign trade, interesting that Trump's interest in replacing NAFTA and Johnson's in Brexit are broadly similar, designed (at least rhetorically but also at least somewhat genuinely) to get America/Britain a better deal versus China & etc/Europe. And stick it to the fuqing foreigners. Which fellow followers cheer, and business types go along with by focusing on the fine print.