Thanks for posting that. An interesting, if depressing, read for those (like me) who think that Biden will win comfortably. The main takeaway is that Biden cannot take black people`s votes for granted - many will not vote at all.
That's the political lesson. But it's also worth reading for people who just don't get what ordinary black people (not rioters or even activists) are bothered about - it illustrates @Casino_Royale 's helpful article the other day.
Yes - it is very interesting. I wonder whether middle class black people here feel the same way and what can be done about it, if so.
I found the recent article from Dina Asher-Smith was v powerful.
" These few weeks have been so hard for so many people for a number of different reasons. For me, it was because it brought up so many suppressed memories and restated that it doesn’t matter what I do or accomplish, how kind or “good” a person I may be, how educated or well-intentioned I am, there are people out there that seek to do me wrong because of the colour of my skin. There are layers and layers of “unconscious” bias at best, and hate at worst, that affect my life on a day-to-day basis.
It’s being assumed that I am an employee rather than an attendee at a black-tie event. It’s being assumed that I come from a single-parent household and having consistently to emphasise that yes, my father is present and does come to my races… yes he’s over there… and yes, he is loving and supportive, he has been since the day I was born. It’s having to smile through the shocked “Oh” that follows that. It’s being followed around not so inconspicuously by security in a store from the moment you step in. It’s being assumed you can’t afford to buy anything in a nice shop."
Someone runs about in victim mode, desperately looking for slights and then is surprised she actually recognises them, pretty dire. Just reinforcing her bias , needs a bit of self confidence, less blaming others and less chip on shoulder
She didnt become the fastest woman in the world through lacking self confidence, blaming others or having a chip on her shoulder but through sheer hard graft and inner confidence. She know who she is, she is just disappointed others treat her like crap because of their false assumptions based on her skin colour.
If you say so
I would suggest that you take some time to understand the Nietzschian levels of will it takes to become a national, let alone international athlete.
It cannot be done by someone who is a shrinking wallflower.
I think I know that , yet still has an inferiority complex. If you wallow in self pity and go look for bogey men then you will easily spot them and reassure your bias. She is merely stating the typical stereotype that would be portrayed by about 1 in 10 million people. Only the odd arsehole assumes anyone of any colour is "an employee", I hardly think she would be dressed similar to employees at a black tie dinner and I just cannot see many people being surprised her father was with her, it sounds like made up bollox to me of the "oh poor me" variety. pardon me for being just a little cynical if it looks more like attention seeking and "Me Me Me" behaviour.. PS: plenty of wrecks of former athletes etc
I take it you have never heard her speak? She is relentlessly hyper positive and bubbly. She makes it clear in her interview she suppressed the bad memories and didnt wallow in them with self pity. Suppressing them is a coping strategy but it is sad one of our best athletes and national ambassadors is treated so poorly.
Never even heard of her but am even more certain it is exaggerated. As I said I doubt she was at a black tie dinner in a waiter's outfit, sounds your usual celebrity bollox trying to make out how ill done to they are.
Sounds to me like the witterings of an old dinosaur who can't cope with their world view being challenged.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
BLM will regret getting involved in Israel, whatever the pros and cons.
The campaign against anti-semitism is already getting stuck into them. People are starting to realise BLM are an extremely poor representative for the cause of black people, and not an effing moment too soon.
Not sure. If the market for mass movements against anti-black racism was a crowded one BLM would perhaps need to watch out. But -
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
I don't know if you saw it, but Ed Miliband was excellent on this on the Marr show this morning. He was absolutely clear that criticism of actions of the Israeli state, for example annexation, was entirely legitimate, and was not evidence of anti-semitism. At the same time, he justified RLB's dismissal on the grounds that she was endorsing, wittingly or not, Peake's spurious linking of the Israeli defence force to George Floyd's murder. As he pointed out, the US police could have learnt techniques from a wide range of foreign actors - singling out Israel (wrongly anyway) was evidence of anti-semitism.
This seems to me a pretty clear distinction to make. People on all sides, not just the left, have the right to be critical of Israel's actions in relation to the Palestinians. Though it shouldn't become an overriding obsession, to the exclusion of other matters of justice, as it is with some on the left.
So Black Lives Matter are wrong when they say
"British politics is gagged of the right to critique Zionism, and Israel’s settler colonial pursuits"
?
Yes they are wrong, bonkers even. Wont stop me supporting the black lives matter slogan and movement which is not owned by an organisation of nutters piggy backing on its name.
Other people are throwing money at them
"The group, which is not a registered charity, said the funds would go towards a number of aims including advocacy to effect changes in the law, developing and distributing educational resources, healing practices in black communities, police monitoring, strategies for the abolition of the police..."
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
I struggle to understand why criticizing the Israeli government is considered anti Semitic? By whom? The Labour Party have muddied the waters by not being clear about what is anti Semitic and what isn’t. The state of Israel has a lot to answer for and should be held to account as should anybody who attempts to blame Jewish people in general for the actions of that government.
It is perfectly possible to criticise Israel without being racist. Quite a lot of Jews do so.
The trick is not to use the well-worn, racist tropes while doing so.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
I struggle to understand why criticizing the Israeli government is considered anti Semitic? By whom? The Labour Party have muddied the waters by not being clear about what is anti Semitic and what isn’t. The state of Israel has a lot to answer for and should be held to account as should anybody who attempts to blame Jewish people in general for the actions of that government.
Many countries should be held to account.
Yet some people seem to be only concerned about Israel.
Why do you suppose is that ?
I doubt there is a country in the world (that may be a slight exaggeration) that isn’t beyond criticism for some aspect of its policies, past or current, I’m sure lots of people on the extremes of politics attempt to make a big issue where country X is involved when none exists.
A) Criticising Israel for seizing large parts of the West Bank is not anti-Semitic. This is because (a) they are doing it and (b) they should not be doing it because (c) it is a blatantly oppressive move on the legitimate national rights of the Palestinian people.
(B) Saying George Floyd was murdered because of an international Jewish conspiracy to train American police forces in anti-terrorism tactics is anti-Semitic. That is because (a) it didn’t happen (b) it distracts from the real issues at hand and (c) it was done with the intention of smearing Jews/Israelis by association.
I don’t know how that is difficult to understand. Unfortunately the problem is there are some people who are so messed up that they can’t see that (B) is racist even though (A) isn’t. Starting with far too many members of the Labour Party.
Not the first time BLM leadership waded into anti-Semitic territory. Remember a couple of weeks ago when they pushed a picture of an old man white at their protests, only for it to be revealed he was an antisemite terrorist sympathizing conspiracy theory nutjob.
Most people who think hmm remember run away from that, no, they doubled down as apparently it was all a zionist led witch-hunt.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
I struggle to understand why criticizing the Israeli government is considered anti Semitic? By whom? The Labour Party have muddied the waters by not being clear about what is anti Semitic and what isn’t. The state of Israel has a lot to answer for and should be held to account as should anybody who attempts to blame Jewish people in general for the actions of that government.
Many countries should be held to account.
Yet some people seem to be only concerned about Israel.
Why do you suppose is that ?
I'd suggest part of it is that Israel very much wants to be thought of as part of Western liberal democracy. Given the actions of many Western liberal democracies that's not an enormously high bar, but I'd still think an ethno-religious state intent on land grabbing a people out of existence isn't getting over that bar.
Mr. Sandpit, may be slower than you think. The cult doesn't tolerate heresy, and people won't be keen to admit they're wrong both due to self-regard and fear of being the next victim.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
You won't get an answer, Johnson fans are absolutely desperate to hang on to the anti-semitism stick to beat Starmer with. It won't work and they are getting very close to saying that any criticism of the Israeli Government is anti-semitic.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
If you lefties stop being anti-Semitic the problem will go away. Eventually
You surely have not come into contact with the far right then ?
Mr. Sandpit, may be slower than you think. The cult doesn't tolerate heresy, and people won't be keen to admit they're wrong both due to self-regard and fear of being the next victim.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
I struggle to understand why criticizing the Israeli government is considered anti Semitic? By whom? The Labour Party have muddied the waters by not being clear about what is anti Semitic and what isn’t. The state of Israel has a lot to answer for and should be held to account as should anybody who attempts to blame Jewish people in general for the actions of that government.
It is perfectly possible to criticise Israel without being racist. Quite a lot of Jews do so.
The trick is not to use the well-worn, racist tropes while doing so.
Bit like *not* flying a Confederate flag, really.
Quite a lot of Israelis criticise Israel. It is a democracy. They have Pride marches and everything.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
I don't know if you saw it, but Ed Miliband was excellent on this on the Marr show this morning. He was absolutely clear that criticism of actions of the Israeli state, for example annexation, was entirely legitimate, and was not evidence of anti-semitism. At the same time, he justified RLB's dismissal on the grounds that she was endorsing, wittingly or not, Peake's spurious linking of the Israeli defence force to George Floyd's murder. As he pointed out, the US police could have learnt techniques from a wide range of foreign actors - singling out Israel (wrongly anyway) was evidence of anti-semitism.
This seems to me a pretty clear distinction to make. People on all sides, not just the left, have the right to be critical of Israel's actions in relation to the Palestinians. Though it shouldn't become an overriding obsession, to the exclusion of other matters of justice, as it is with some on the left.
So Black Lives Matter are wrong when they say
"British politics is gagged of the right to critique Zionism, and Israel’s settler colonial pursuits"
?
Yes they are wrong, bonkers even. Wont stop me supporting the black lives matter slogan and movement which is not owned by an organisation of nutters piggy backing on its name.
Other people are throwing money at them
"The group, which is not a registered charity, said the funds would go towards a number of aims including advocacy to effect changes in the law, developing and distributing educational resources, healing practices in black communities, police monitoring, strategies for the abolition of the police..."
We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
I don't know if you saw it, but Ed Miliband was excellent on this on the Marr show this morning. He was absolutely clear that criticism of actions of the Israeli state, for example annexation, was entirely legitimate, and was not evidence of anti-semitism. At the same time, he justified RLB's dismissal on the grounds that she was endorsing, wittingly or not, Peake's spurious linking of the Israeli defence force to George Floyd's murder. As he pointed out, the US police could have learnt techniques from a wide range of foreign actors - singling out Israel (wrongly anyway) was evidence of anti-semitism.
This seems to me a pretty clear distinction to make. People on all sides, not just the left, have the right to be critical of Israel's actions in relation to the Palestinians. Though it shouldn't become an overriding obsession, to the exclusion of other matters of justice, as it is with some on the left.
So Black Lives Matter are wrong when they say
"British politics is gagged of the right to critique Zionism, and Israel’s settler colonial pursuits"
?
Yes they are wrong, bonkers even. Wont stop me supporting the black lives matter slogan and movement which is not owned by an organisation of nutters piggy backing on its name.
Other people are throwing money at them
"The group, which is not a registered charity, said the funds would go towards a number of aims including advocacy to effect changes in the law, developing and distributing educational resources, healing practices in black communities, police monitoring, strategies for the abolition of the police..."
Yes they are opportunists and unhelpful. Many will give without knowing the full facts, others might donate because they are extremists themselves.
Polling has shown most of the country support BLM aims. There is no way most of the country support extreme Marxism. So most of the country are quite capable of seeing BLM slogan and movement positively whilst ignoring or being anti the opportunist groups taking advantage. It is just many posters on here who seem incapable of this.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
BLM will regret getting involved in Israel, whatever the pros and cons.
The campaign against anti-semitism is already getting stuck into them. People are starting to realise BLM are an extremely poor representative for the cause of black people, and not an effing moment too soon.
Not sure. If the market for mass movements against anti-black racism was a crowded one BLM would perhaps need to watch out. But -
Well, “Zionism” is now trending on Twitter, which suggests this hasn’t been a good day for the Official BLM account, at least
A) Criticising Israel for seizing large parts of the West Bank is not anti-Semitic. This is because (a) they are doing it and (b) they should not be doing it because (c) it is a blatantly oppressive move on the legitimate national rights of the Palestinian people.
(B) Saying George Floyd was murdered because of an international Jewish conspiracy to train American police forces in anti-terrorism tactics is anti-Semitic. That is because (a) it didn’t happen (b) it distracts from the real issues at hand and (c) it was done with the intention of smearing Jews/Israelis by association.
I don’t know how that is difficult to understand. Unfortunately the problem is there are some people who are so messed up that they can’t see that (B) is racist even though (A) isn’t. Starting with far too many members of the Labour Party.
People like to pretend it is hard to criticise the israeli state without being called anti-semitic. In fact it is not hard, though I don't doubt some people have unreasonably faced such an accusation, but a lot of people who say a lot of generally anti semitic things act like the mere act of criticism of israel is why they are targeted.
Mr. Sandpit, may be slower than you think. The cult doesn't tolerate heresy, and people won't be keen to admit they're wrong both due to self-regard and fear of being the next victim.
tyson hasn`t been active on the site for a month. Hope he`s ok.
I also fear for Gideon Wise, who had Covid and was last active on Vanilla on 20 April.
Same with Roger - it is concerning when people disappear. It's odd because over time you do come to feel that you "know" other posters but at the end of the day I could be talking to a bot factory in Moscow for all I know!
Tyson recently said he had been exchanging e-mails with Roger and he was well.
Mr. Sandpit, may be slower than you think. The cult doesn't tolerate heresy, and people won't be keen to admit they're wrong both due to self-regard and fear of being the next victim.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
I don't know if you saw it, but Ed Miliband was excellent on this on the Marr show this morning. He was absolutely clear that criticism of actions of the Israeli state, for example annexation, was entirely legitimate, and was not evidence of anti-semitism. At the same time, he justified RLB's dismissal on the grounds that she was endorsing, wittingly or not, Peake's spurious linking of the Israeli defence force to George Floyd's murder. As he pointed out, the US police could have learnt techniques from a wide range of foreign actors - singling out Israel (wrongly anyway) was evidence of anti-semitism.
This seems to me a pretty clear distinction to make. People on all sides, not just the left, have the right to be critical of Israel's actions in relation to the Palestinians. Though it shouldn't become an overriding obsession, to the exclusion of other matters of justice, as it is with some on the left.
So Black Lives Matter are wrong when they say
"British politics is gagged of the right to critique Zionism, and Israel’s settler colonial pursuits"
?
I wasn't talking about BLM. What's your obsession with them? I was simply trying to make the point that criticism of the actions of the Israeli state should not be censored by an automatic cry of "antisemite". Criticism of Jews in general, or of the right of Israel to exist, is antisemitic though. What's so difficult about this?
Mr. Sandpit, may be slower than you think. The cult doesn't tolerate heresy, and people won't be keen to admit they're wrong both due to self-regard and fear of being the next victim.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
You won't get an answer, Johnson fans are absolutely desperate to hang on to the anti-semitism stick to beat Starmer with. It won't work and they are getting very close to saying that any criticism of the Israeli Government is anti-semitic.
Ive given an answer. Not a Johnson fan at all, he is an incompetent blustering two faced liar.
Headline : 18 - lowest, Sunday or not, in a long while 7 Days : 16 Yesterday : 3
The hospital numbers of deaths going down is v encouraging, but we are still killing a lot of people in the care homes and at home, which don't get included here.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've even got a full sentence out.
Thank you Ken Livingstone
Yes well he is an Israel obsessive I agree - and therefore probably antisemitic by the technique I use to analyse this matter.
I wouldn't vote for him now if he stood for London Mayor. I'd vote for Sadiq Khan over Ray Winstone though - unlike you.
As I said previously, the left now have their own version of poppy fascism, BLM fascism. If you're not in 100% favour you're a massive racist and should be sacked and your husband/wife should immediately divorce you and your kids should disown you.
Good speech (on paper). I could find little to disagree with. I would be interested in @ydoethur's view of Gove's assessment of his own education reforms!
In a sense the Government has been lucky - a lot of what they clearly wanted to do anyway will be covered under Covid stimulus.
The issue is that civil service reform is a prerequisite for the rest of the government's agenda. They've been totally infected by Common Purpose, and are more interested in processes than outcomes. Getting the woke box-tickers out of the way does more for the economy than almost anything else.
What on earth does this mean? “Infected by Common Purpose”? “Woke box-tickers”? “More interested in processes than outcomes”? The last sentence might have been said by someone like Jenrick when someone pointed out the law to him.
I’ve no doubt that there will be better ways of doing the things that government has to do. I’ve been pretty critical of some of our major institutions and the people who end up at or near the top of them.
But you need to have not just a clear critique of what you don’t like but a clear idea of why things have gone wrong, the standards you expect, what you are trying to achieve and how.
“Just get out of my way” and “do what I tell you” is not such a plan.
Nor is any such plan very credible from people who have little record of actual achievement of implementation of change and positive results from such change, as @ydoethur’s posts on education regularly remind us. Nor from people who have pretty low standards of integrity.
It means an organisation that doesn't think about people and outcomes, only about processes and procedures. It's the sort of organisation that sends people from hospitals to care homes in the middle of a pandemic, it's the sort of organisation that leads to people like Cressida Dick constantly failing upwards until London becomes unpoliceable, an organisation where no-one ever gets fired, only moved on to their next assignment to be someone else's problem, where the organisation as a whole is more occupied by the interests of itself than the people it serves, in its staff rather than its customers.
Now, it's obviously much easier to identify problems rather than to offer solutions, but easy starting points are getting rid of the honours for those who have done nothing more than serve time, and employment contracts that let people be fired for poor performance, rather than simply moved around.
Having lived in London over 25 years I really dont recognise it as unpoliceable, I think the police generally do a good job and its working pretty well. I feel far safer in London than I did growing up in a typical provincial town, where entering the wrong bar, bumping into someone, chatting to someones girlfriend could often to lead to a potential fight.
People who dont live in London have some very strange views about London that are not representative or accurate.
Yes, it’s utter bilge. I also live in London, but I have travelled to Brazil frequently over the last 20 years (may be a while before I’m able to go again, though). Anyone who thinks London is unpoliceable should spend a few days in Rio de Janeiro, if they really want to know what being in an unpoliceable city feels like.
Absolutely. There's no comparison between the London of recent years and that of my youth. Even then it wasn't that bad, as long as you didn't upset Reggie and Ronny.
Better class of thug in those days....
You had the Krays? Luuuuuuuuxuuuury.
We would have given our right arms to have the Krays, when we lived in that rolled up newspaper in a septic tank....
We had the Piranha Brothers. They used..... dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire.
They was vicious.
One of my mates at college was from the East End and knew the Kray family. "Lovely boys ..." was the usual descriptor. Ironically, the mate was studying Law. Cyclefree may have actually been in his classes.
A) Criticising Israel for seizing large parts of the West Bank is not anti-Semitic. This is because (a) they are doing it and (b) they should not be doing it because (c) it is a blatantly oppressive move on the legitimate national rights of the Palestinian people.
(B) Saying George Floyd was murdered because of an international Jewish conspiracy to train American police forces in anti-terrorism tactics is anti-Semitic. That is because (a) it didn’t happen (b) it distracts from the real issues at hand and (c) it was done with the intention of smearing Jews/Israelis by association.
I don’t know how that is difficult to understand. Unfortunately the problem is there are some people who are so messed up that they can’t see that (B) is racist even though (A) isn’t. Starting with far too many members of the Labour Party.
People like to pretend it is hard to criticise the israeli state without being called anti-semitic. In fact it is not hard, though I don't doubt some people have unreasonably faced such an accusation, but a lot of people who say a lot of generally anti semitic things act like the mere act of criticism of israel is why they are targeted.
Has there been anyone more trenchant than me on here about antiSemitism?
And yet I frequently call out Israel’s actions in Gaza and the West Bank. Indeed, I have used the words ‘ethnic cleansing’ to describe Netanyahu’s policies towards Gaza.
It doesn’t seem to occur to these people, incidentally, that if they are openly anti-Semitic one of the key things that happens is everyone will ignore their criticism of Israel - even when it’s legitimate - because they’ll just assume it’s anti-Semitism. Does anyone take Naz Shah, Zarah Sultana or Jeremy Corbyn seriously on anything they say about Israel?
Shadsy also has prices up for Next First Minister. Kate Forbes strikes me as being very short indeed at 4/1. Does Shadsy have some inside info? I know Forbes well (she represents an area I have strong connections with), and I admire her, but she is still young and relatively untested. 4/1 just strikes me as being far too short.
If you’re looking for a longer-odds tip, I like the look of Andrew Wilson at 33/1. An outstanding personality within the independence movement, the former MSP is (unusually for SNP figures) widely respected and admired throughout the Scottish establishment: business, finance sector, media, academia, civil society and even among the other political parties. But the key problem is that I am not aware that he is even standing next year? If he doesn’t, it’s very hard to see how he can build his internal base sufficiently in time to replace Sturgeon.
Looking at the top Unionist candidates, Richard Leonard (SLab) has shortened to 16/1, presumably on the back of the Starmer effect? But Leonard himself is universally regarded as a figure of ridicule, not least within his own party; and the SLD’s wouldn’t touch him with a bargepole. Jackson Carlaw (SCon) remains 25/1. That is way too short. The Scottish Labour and Liberal Democrat parties would implode if their leaderships ever tried to install the hapless Tory as first minister. Carlaw would be poor value at 50/1. Not quite sure why Shadsy is still listing Ruth Davidson at 20/1, shorter than her successor? She is retiring from parliament next year.
Stuart, Wilson is not even at the races.
I know, hence the 33/1. But I’m intrigued by Shadsy even listing him.
having Davidson as well, he has just picked some names he knows from the past. He is taking the piss having Leonard or Carlaw at anything under 1000-1
Does Cherry have a shout?
Yes.
Though she first has to get selected to stand as a candidate... If Robertson wins that battle would he not be a much more formidable leader than Cherry?
I still don't understand why they are going for the same seat. Is there not a likely vacancy in Renfrewshire North and West?
Good speech (on paper). I could find little to disagree with. I would be interested in @ydoethur's view of Gove's assessment of his own education reforms!
In a sense the Government has been lucky - a lot of what they clearly wanted to do anyway will be covered under Covid stimulus.
If that were the case, I agree. However, it's pretty clear within the speech that a good deal of job creation is entailed within the reforms.
Certain geographical areas being singled out could indicates to that plans for these areas may be relatively advanced?
'We need to be more ambitious for Newcastle, for Teesside and Teesdale, for North Wales, for the North-East of Scotland, for East Lancashire and West Bromwich.'
As I said previously, the left now have their own version of poppy fascism, BLM fascism. If you're not in 100% favour you're a massive racist and should be sacked and your husband/wife should immediately divorce you and your kids should disown you.
I find it very concerning. You can be against the underlying Marxist motives of BLM or Extinction Rebellion without being a Tommy Robinson supporting climate change denier.
I'm sure the Charity Commission will be taking an interest shortly, along with the Premier League and other groups who have been supportive up until now.
Thanks for posting that. An interesting, if depressing, read for those (like me) who think that Biden will win comfortably. The main takeaway is that Biden cannot take black people`s votes for granted - many will not vote at all.
That's the political lesson. But it's also worth reading for people who just don't get what ordinary black people (not rioters or even activists) are bothered about - it illustrates @Casino_Royale 's helpful article the other day.
You might expect me to say this but from the sample of black professional people I've spoken to personally (not representative: all in my network, so all middle-class, and in their 30s to early 40s) they just want what the rest of us have: good careers, good schools, decent home to own, safe neighbourhoods etc.
Most of them are enthusiastic and practicing Christians as well, which I found interesting.
All of them are married with families.
The Tories miss a trick when they overlook this. I know a couple of Bangladeshi origin - came here in the 70s - who say that economicaslly their instinct tells them to vote Conservative as their family has small businesses and they think the Tories are better for low business taxes. They are long-standing members of the Labour Party because they feel the party sees them as normal people and the Conservatives traditionally do not - "unless we're millionaires they see us as a general problem rather than as individuals". They feel it's got a bit better with people like Sunak near the top, but still mistrust the instincts of the party as a whole.
The Christianity is not a surprise - immigrants make up a very large portion of the active church going cohort in the UK.
A surprising number of people are not aware that power in the Church Of England is in the process of moving from UK church men & women to those from Africa.
The CoE in the UK is going out of business, while it's booming in Africa.
The cultural gap is quite large. It will be interesting times when we get our first African Archbishop of Canterbury.
In terms of descent (rather than current citizenship), we should already have one in John Sentamu, rather than the current drip, who succeeded a worse drip. The CoE would be the better for it.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
If you lefties stop being anti-Semitic the problem will go away. Eventually
You surely have not come into contact with the far right then ?
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
I don't know if you saw it, but Ed Miliband was excellent on this on the Marr show this morning. He was absolutely clear that criticism of actions of the Israeli state, for example annexation, was entirely legitimate, and was not evidence of anti-semitism. At the same time, he justified RLB's dismissal on the grounds that she was endorsing, wittingly or not, Peake's spurious linking of the Israeli defence force to George Floyd's murder. As he pointed out, the US police could have learnt techniques from a wide range of foreign actors - singling out Israel (wrongly anyway) was evidence of anti-semitism.
This seems to me a pretty clear distinction to make. People on all sides, not just the left, have the right to be critical of Israel's actions in relation to the Palestinians. Though it shouldn't become an overriding obsession, to the exclusion of other matters of justice, as it is with some on the left.
So Black Lives Matter are wrong when they say
"British politics is gagged of the right to critique Zionism, and Israel’s settler colonial pursuits"
?
Yes they are wrong, bonkers even. Wont stop me supporting the black lives matter slogan and movement which is not owned by an organisation of nutters piggy backing on its name.
Other people are throwing money at them
"The group, which is not a registered charity, said the funds would go towards a number of aims including advocacy to effect changes in the law, developing and distributing educational resources, healing practices in black communities, police monitoring, strategies for the abolition of the police..."
Yes they are opportunists and unhelpful. Many will give without knowing the full facts, others might donate because they are extremists themselves.
Polling has shown most of the country support BLM aims. There is no way most of the country support extreme Marxism. So most of the country are quite capable of seeing BLM slogan and movement positively whilst ignoring or being anti the opportunist groups taking advantage. It is just many posters on here who seem incapable of this.
No they are supportive of what they believe BLM is based on the sanitised version mainstream media portrays. The questions don't ask about specific policies. If you ask people whether they agree with anything BLM actually say you will find very different answers.
I suggest you actually read up on the origins of the Black Lives Matter movement, with deep connections to Marxist-leninist politics with added inspiration from people like Sharpton.
The movement is not being hijacked, it's simply not about what they claim it is.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
BLM will regret getting involved in Israel, whatever the pros and cons.
The campaign against anti-semitism is already getting stuck into them. People are starting to realise BLM are an extremely poor representative for the cause of black people, and not an effing moment too soon.
It's slowly getting to the point where people start to realise that BLM UK is just a front for a bunch of Marxists and Corbynites.
Why, for example, does the Premier League have their logo on the team shirts, when they already have their home-grown Kick It Out campaign against racism?
Well quite.
Rashford is now intimately connected with the bunch of anti-semitic marxist hucksters that are BLM.
Imagine his next game at Tottenham in front of a full house.
Rubbish, you are going to push it to extremes . If you start accusing Rashford and the dozens of celebrities that have backed BLM of being anti-semitic marxists it's going to blow right up in your faces. People will instinctively think its barking mad.
Is there any real doubt left that the motivating force of this movement is just the leftovers of the Corbyn cult who now realize that they're never going to win an election and so have resorted to, er, 'extra-Parliamentary' means of getting what they want?
In general I find it a good rule to disregard any person or organisation that uses the term word Zionism in any serious sense. I'm sure soon BLM will be telling us how "Zionists" are responsible for 9/11 and they are being unfairly treated because they are speaking out against capitalism and "Zionists" control the banks and media.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
BLM will regret getting involved in Israel, whatever the pros and cons.
The campaign against anti-semitism is already getting stuck into them. People are starting to realise BLM are an extremely poor representative for the cause of black people, and not an effing moment too soon.
It's slowly getting to the point where people start to realise that BLM UK is just a front for a bunch of Marxists and Corbynites.
Why, for example, does the Premier League have their logo on the team shirts, when they already have their home-grown Kick It Out campaign against racism?
Well quite.
Rashford is now intimately connected with the bunch of anti-semitic marxist hucksters that are BLM.
Imagine his next game at Tottenham in front of a full house.
Rubbish, you are going to push it to extremes . If you start accusing Rashford and the dozens of celebrities that have backed BLM of being anti-semitic marxists it's going to blow right up in your faces. People will instinctively think its barking mad.
Of course those celebrities are not themselves anti-semitic Marxists.
They're the useful idiots of anti-semitic Marxists, who've fallen for a catchy slogan but lack the critical thinking skills to find out what's behind it.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
If you lefties stop being anti-Semitic the problem will go away. Eventually
You surely have not come into contact with the far right then ?
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
I don't know if you saw it, but Ed Miliband was excellent on this on the Marr show this morning. He was absolutely clear that criticism of actions of the Israeli state, for example annexation, was entirely legitimate, and was not evidence of anti-semitism. At the same time, he justified RLB's dismissal on the grounds that she was endorsing, wittingly or not, Peake's spurious linking of the Israeli defence force to George Floyd's murder. As he pointed out, the US police could have learnt techniques from a wide range of foreign actors - singling out Israel (wrongly anyway) was evidence of anti-semitism.
This seems to me a pretty clear distinction to make. People on all sides, not just the left, have the right to be critical of Israel's actions in relation to the Palestinians. Though it shouldn't become an overriding obsession, to the exclusion of other matters of justice, as it is with some on the left.
So Black Lives Matter are wrong when they say
"British politics is gagged of the right to critique Zionism, and Israel’s settler colonial pursuits"
?
Yes they are wrong, bonkers even. Wont stop me supporting the black lives matter slogan and movement which is not owned by an organisation of nutters piggy backing on its name.
Other people are throwing money at them
"The group, which is not a registered charity, said the funds would go towards a number of aims including advocacy to effect changes in the law, developing and distributing educational resources, healing practices in black communities, police monitoring, strategies for the abolition of the police..."
Yes they are opportunists and unhelpful. Many will give without knowing the full facts, others might donate because they are extremists themselves.
Polling has shown most of the country support BLM aims. There is no way most of the country support extreme Marxism. So most of the country are quite capable of seeing BLM slogan and movement positively whilst ignoring or being anti the opportunist groups taking advantage. It is just many posters on here who seem incapable of this.
No they are supportive of what they believe BLM is based on the sanitised version mainstream media portrays. The questions don't ask about specific policies. If you ask people whether they agree with anything BLM actually say you will find very different answers.
I suggest you actually read up on the origins of the Black Lives Matter movement, with deep connections to Marxist-leninist politics with added inspiration from people like Sharpton.
The movement is not being hijacked, it's simply not about what they claim it is.
But I really dont care about the movements origins or the connections of its organisers. In reality, to those who are not political obsessives, it is now an umbrella movement based around a slogan and a concept of treating people equally. That has and will have my support.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
I don't know if you saw it, but Ed Miliband was excellent on this on the Marr show this morning. He was absolutely clear that criticism of actions of the Israeli state, for example annexation, was entirely legitimate, and was not evidence of anti-semitism. At the same time, he justified RLB's dismissal on the grounds that she was endorsing, wittingly or not, Peake's spurious linking of the Israeli defence force to George Floyd's murder. As he pointed out, the US police could have learnt techniques from a wide range of foreign actors - singling out Israel (wrongly anyway) was evidence of anti-semitism.
This seems to me a pretty clear distinction to make. People on all sides, not just the left, have the right to be critical of Israel's actions in relation to the Palestinians. Though it shouldn't become an overriding obsession, to the exclusion of other matters of justice, as it is with some on the left.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
BLM will regret getting involved in Israel, whatever the pros and cons.
The campaign against anti-semitism is already getting stuck into them. People are starting to realise BLM are an extremely poor representative for the cause of black people, and not an effing moment too soon.
It's slowly getting to the point where people start to realise that BLM UK is just a front for a bunch of Marxists and Corbynites.
Why, for example, does the Premier League have their logo on the team shirts, when they already have their home-grown Kick It Out campaign against racism?
Well quite.
Rashford is now intimately connected with the bunch of anti-semitic marxist hucksters that are BLM.
Imagine his next game at Tottenham in front of a full house.
Rubbish, you are going to push it to extremes . If you start accusing Rashford and the dozens of celebrities that have backed BLM of being anti-semitic marxists it's going to blow right up in your faces. People will instinctively think its barking mad.
Of course not, but it is a cautionary tale to actually research the organisations you want to put your reputation on the line for.
No they are supportive of what they believe BLM is based on the sanitised version mainstream media portrays. The questions don't ask about specific policies. If you ask people whether they agree with anything BLM actually say you will find very different answers.
I suggest you actually read up on the origins of the Black Lives Matter movement, with deep connections to Marxist-leninist politics with added inspiration from people like Sharpton.
Same as eco-fascists. Most people who go to the marches etc think they are supporting a move have some more electric cars and wind turbines. The people behind Extinction Rebellion are clear they want to end the capitalist system, no amount of tree planting will be enough for them, while there is private property and for profit companies.
Thanks for posting that. An interesting, if depressing, read for those (like me) who think that Biden will win comfortably. The main takeaway is that Biden cannot take black people`s votes for granted - many will not vote at all.
That's the political lesson. But it's also worth reading for people who just don't get what ordinary black people (not rioters or even activists) are bothered about - it illustrates @Casino_Royale 's helpful article the other day.
You might expect me to say this but from the sample of black professional people I've spoken to personally (not representative: all in my network, so all middle-class, and in their 30s to early 40s) they just want what the rest of us have: good careers, good schools, decent home to own, safe neighbourhoods etc.
Most of them are enthusiastic and practicing Christians as well, which I found interesting.
All of them are married with families.
The Tories miss a trick when they overlook this. I know a couple of Bangladeshi origin - came here in the 70s - who say that economicaslly their instinct tells them to vote Conservative as their family has small businesses and they think the Tories are better for low business taxes. They are long-standing members of the Labour Party because they feel the party sees them as normal people and the Conservatives traditionally do not - "unless we're millionaires they see us as a general problem rather than as individuals". They feel it's got a bit better with people like Sunak near the top, but still mistrust the instincts of the party as a whole.
The Christianity is not a surprise - immigrants make up a very large portion of the active church going cohort in the UK.
A surprising number of people are not aware that power in the Church Of England is in the process of moving from UK church men & women to those from Africa.
The CoE in the UK is going out of business, while it's booming in Africa.
The cultural gap is quite large. It will be interesting times when we get our first African Archbishop of Canterbury.
In terms of descent (rather than current citizenship), we should already have one in John Sentamu, rather than the current drip, who succeeded a worse drip. The CoE would be the better for it.
Sentamu was blocked by the UK faction of the Church of England from becoming Archbishop of Canterbury. Apparently he is excessively religious - aka he is a traditionalist.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
BLM will regret getting involved in Israel, whatever the pros and cons.
The campaign against anti-semitism is already getting stuck into them. People are starting to realise BLM are an extremely poor representative for the cause of black people, and not an effing moment too soon.
It's slowly getting to the point where people start to realise that BLM UK is just a front for a bunch of Marxists and Corbynites.
Why, for example, does the Premier League have their logo on the team shirts, when they already have their home-grown Kick It Out campaign against racism?
Well quite.
Rashford is now intimately connected with the bunch of anti-semitic marxist hucksters that are BLM.
Imagine his next game at Tottenham in front of a full house.
Rubbish, you are going to push it to extremes . If you start accusing Rashford and the dozens of celebrities that have backed BLM of being anti-semitic marxists it's going to blow right up in your faces. People will instinctively think its barking mad.
Of course not, but it is a cautionary tale to actually research the organisations you want to put your reputation on the line for.
And they don't exactly keep it a secret...
We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.
In general I find it a good rule to disregard any person or organisation that uses the term word Zionism in any serious sense. I'm sure soon BLM will be telling us how "Zionists" are responsible for 9/11 and they are being unfairly treated because they are speaking out against capitalism and "Zionists" control the banks and media.
It's a tell. Bit like people who say that the US Civil war wasn't about slavery.
Or that they can't be anti-semitic, since the Palestinians are Semites and they are pro-Palestinian.
No they are supportive of what they believe BLM is based on the sanitised version mainstream media portrays. The questions don't ask about specific policies. If you ask people whether they agree with anything BLM actually say you will find very different answers.
I suggest you actually read up on the origins of the Black Lives Matter movement, with deep connections to Marxist-leninist politics with added inspiration from people like Sharpton.
Same as eco-fascists. Most people who go to the marches etc think they are supporting a move have some more electric cars and wind turbines. The people behind Extinction Rebellion are clear they want to end the capitalist system, no amount of tree planting will be enough for them, while there is private property and companies for profit.
The analogy with extinction rebellion is a good one. Most of the country sympathises with some of their aims and wants to move in their direction. But they absolutely do not want to follow the policies of the leaders of the protests.
The public are perfectly capable of separating a cause and an organisation, supporting the cause and direction of change, whilst ignoring the organisation.
Mr. Nichomar, that minimises a very serious situation.
People can lose their jobs over wrongspeak. It's backward and vile, censorious and intolerant.
Even if he gets his job back this sort of insanity has a chilling effect on public discourse and freedom of expression.
And it's a natural and obvious consequence of well-meaning moderates backing the far left before they've got a clever slogan.
I’m reluctant to ever take anything that appears in the news or social media feeds at face value. To take a right/wrong position I would want all the facts as best they can be ascertained which is why I suggested an industrial tribunal. Increasingly people are leaping to wrong conclusions based on sloppy reporting and people keen to get their spin on a story. Maybe not on here but in the outside world I have to listen to pensioners bemoaning the tens of statues that have been ripped down by the left and the desire to make any violent incident the result of immigration.
I'm sure the Charity Commission will be taking an interest shortly, along with the Premier League and other groups who have been supportive up until now.
BLM is not a charity. It is not a registered company, as far as I know. It has no website. Who actually runs it is unclear. Its accounts are utterly opaque. What actually happens to the money it raises, who uses it, who benefits, what it is spent on is also utterly opaque.
I would no more give money to such an organisation than I would to a nice Nigerian gentleman telling me about an investment opportunity.
Black lives certainly do matter. Whether BLM is the way to help improve black lives is quite another matter entirely.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
If you lefties stop being anti-Semitic the problem will go away. Eventually
You surely have not come into contact with the far right then ?
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
I don't know if you saw it, but Ed Miliband was excellent on this on the Marr show this morning. He was absolutely clear that criticism of actions of the Israeli state, for example annexation, was entirely legitimate, and was not evidence of anti-semitism. At the same time, he justified RLB's dismissal on the grounds that she was endorsing, wittingly or not, Peake's spurious linking of the Israeli defence force to George Floyd's murder. As he pointed out, the US police could have learnt techniques from a wide range of foreign actors - singling out Israel (wrongly anyway) was evidence of anti-semitism.
This seems to me a pretty clear distinction to make. People on all sides, not just the left, have the right to be critical of Israel's actions in relation to the Palestinians. Though it shouldn't become an overriding obsession, to the exclusion of other matters of justice, as it is with some on the left.
So Black Lives Matter are wrong when they say
"British politics is gagged of the right to critique Zionism, and Israel’s settler colonial pursuits"
?
Yes they are wrong, bonkers even. Wont stop me supporting the black lives matter slogan and movement which is not owned by an organisation of nutters piggy backing on its name.
Other people are throwing money at them
"The group, which is not a registered charity, said the funds would go towards a number of aims including advocacy to effect changes in the law, developing and distributing educational resources, healing practices in black communities, police monitoring, strategies for the abolition of the police..."
Yes they are opportunists and unhelpful. Many will give without knowing the full facts, others might donate because they are extremists themselves.
Polling has shown most of the country support BLM aims. There is no way most of the country support extreme Marxism. So most of the country are quite capable of seeing BLM slogan and movement positively whilst ignoring or being anti the opportunist groups taking advantage. It is just many posters on here who seem incapable of this.
No they are supportive of what they believe BLM is based on the sanitised version mainstream media portrays. The questions don't ask about specific policies. If you ask people whether they agree with anything BLM actually say you will find very different answers.
I suggest you actually read up on the origins of the Black Lives Matter movement, with deep connections to Marxist-leninist politics with added inspiration from people like Sharpton.
The movement is not being hijacked, it's simply not about what they claim it is.
In what way , what have I said , for that comment.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
BLM will regret getting involved in Israel, whatever the pros and cons.
The campaign against anti-semitism is already getting stuck into them. People are starting to realise BLM are an extremely poor representative for the cause of black people, and not an effing moment too soon.
It's slowly getting to the point where people start to realise that BLM UK is just a front for a bunch of Marxists and Corbynites.
Why, for example, does the Premier League have their logo on the team shirts, when they already have their home-grown Kick It Out campaign against racism?
Well quite.
Rashford is now intimately connected with the bunch of anti-semitic marxist hucksters that are BLM.
Imagine his next game at Tottenham in front of a full house.
Rubbish, you are going to push it to extremes . If you start accusing Rashford and the dozens of celebrities that have backed BLM of being anti-semitic marxists it's going to blow right up in your faces. People will instinctively think its barking mad.
The accusation is not that they are anti-Semitic Marxists but that they may be being naive and risk being used by a group with an agenda which has aims very different to and possibly inimical to improving black lives.
I'm sure the Charity Commission will be taking an interest shortly, along with the Premier League and other groups who have been supportive up until now.
A) Criticising Israel for seizing large parts of the West Bank is not anti-Semitic. This is because (a) they are doing it and (b) they should not be doing it because (c) it is a blatantly oppressive move on the legitimate national rights of the Palestinian people.
(B) Saying George Floyd was murdered because of an international Jewish conspiracy to train American police forces in anti-terrorism tactics is anti-Semitic. That is because (a) it didn’t happen (b) it distracts from the real issues at hand and (c) it was done with the intention of smearing Jews/Israelis by association.
I don’t know how that is difficult to understand. Unfortunately the problem is there are some people who are so messed up that they can’t see that (B) is racist even though (A) isn’t. Starting with far too many members of the Labour Party.
People like to pretend it is hard to criticise the israeli state without being called anti-semitic. In fact it is not hard, though I don't doubt some people have unreasonably faced such an accusation, but a lot of people who say a lot of generally anti semitic things act like the mere act of criticism of israel is why they are targeted.
True.
Criticising Israel is not antisemitic. Banging on relentlessly about it probably is.
I think the other I word - Immigration - works quite well as an equivalent from the other side of politics.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
BLM will regret getting involved in Israel, whatever the pros and cons.
The campaign against anti-semitism is already getting stuck into them. People are starting to realise BLM are an extremely poor representative for the cause of black people, and not an effing moment too soon.
It's slowly getting to the point where people start to realise that BLM UK is just a front for a bunch of Marxists and Corbynites.
Why, for example, does the Premier League have their logo on the team shirts, when they already have their home-grown Kick It Out campaign against racism?
Well quite.
Rashford is now intimately connected with the bunch of anti-semitic marxist hucksters that are BLM.
Imagine his next game at Tottenham in front of a full house.
Rubbish, you are going to push it to extremes . If you start accusing Rashford and the dozens of celebrities that have backed BLM of being anti-semitic marxists it's going to blow right up in your faces. People will instinctively think its barking mad.
Of course those celebrities are not themselves anti-semitic Marxists.
They're the useful idiots of anti-semitic Marxists, who've fallen for a catchy slogan but lack the critical thinking skills to find out what's behind it.
Like the white working class of England are for the Tories?
On topic, if Dom C is going to continue reshaping Whitehall, I wonder whether Robert Buckland is worth a bet at 12/1 as the next one out. It seems to me like the Ministry of Justice would be an ideal target for Johnson to chop - seen as quite lefty, relatively new, prisons can be given back to the Home Office under a minister seen as hardline and sends a shot across the bows of meddling judges with courts either going back to a reconstituted Lord Chancellor's Department and / or a new Agency structure.
There is no way that we will ever go back to the old Lord Chancellor sitting in Cabinet and the Supreme Court. For good or ill we have accepted the American principle of separation of powers. Without a Lord Chancellor what is the point of a Lord Chancellor’s Department?
In general I find it a good rule to disregard any person or organisation that uses the term word Zionism in any serious sense. I'm sure soon BLM will be telling us how "Zionists" are responsible for 9/11 and they are being unfairly treated because they are speaking out against capitalism and "Zionists" control the banks and media.
I quite like that rule. It will very often allow you to screen out a torrent of crap.
It works brilliantly with "cultural marxism" too - recommend it for that most strongly.
As I said previously, the left now have their own version of poppy fascism, BLM fascism. If you're not in 100% favour you're a massive racist and should be sacked and your husband/wife should immediately divorce you and your kids should disown you.
Utterly ridiculous hyperbole contributing the sum total of zero to the topic.
A) Criticising Israel for seizing large parts of the West Bank is not anti-Semitic. This is because (a) they are doing it and (b) they should not be doing it because (c) it is a blatantly oppressive move on the legitimate national rights of the Palestinian people.
(B) Saying George Floyd was murdered because of an international Jewish conspiracy to train American police forces in anti-terrorism tactics is anti-Semitic. That is because (a) it didn’t happen (b) it distracts from the real issues at hand and (c) it was done with the intention of smearing Jews/Israelis by association.
I don’t know how that is difficult to understand. Unfortunately the problem is there are some people who are so messed up that they can’t see that (B) is racist even though (A) isn’t. Starting with far too many members of the Labour Party.
People like to pretend it is hard to criticise the israeli state without being called anti-semitic. In fact it is not hard, though I don't doubt some people have unreasonably faced such an accusation, but a lot of people who say a lot of generally anti semitic things act like the mere act of criticism of israel is why they are targeted.
True.
Criticising Israel is not antisemitic. Banging on relentlessly about it probably is.
I think the other I word - Immigration - works quite well as an equivalent from the other side of politics.
Immigration is something which affects the lives of people and which people experience on a daily basis.
The British government opposes the plan by the Israeli government to annex land in the West Bank. Is the British government anti-semitic?
Israel will become a no-go area for debate if we're not careful. It is replacing Immigration as the "I" word you must steer clear of unless you are prepared for a whole heap of trouble. Risk saying it - in a negative sense - and the zealous hordes of the xenophobic antiwokerati will be screaming "antisemite!" in your face before you've got a full sentence out.
BLM will regret getting involved in Israel, whatever the pros and cons.
The campaign against anti-semitism is already getting stuck into them. People are starting to realise BLM are an extremely poor representative for the cause of black people, and not an effing moment too soon.
Not sure. If the market for mass movements against anti-black racism was a crowded one BLM would perhaps need to watch out. But -
Well, “Zionism” is now trending on Twitter, which suggests this hasn’t been a good day for the Official BLM account, at least
It is clear to me that for the people furiously engaged in anti-BLM nitpicking and deflection the ideal black equality activist movement would be (i) not very active and (ii) hardly moving.
Thanks for posting that. An interesting, if depressing, read for those (like me) who think that Biden will win comfortably. The main takeaway is that Biden cannot take black people`s votes for granted - many will not vote at all.
That's the political lesson. But it's also worth reading for people who just don't get what ordinary black people (not rioters or even activists) are bothered about - it illustrates @Casino_Royale 's helpful article the other day.
Yes - it is very interesting. I wonder whether middle class black people here feel the same way and what can be done about it, if so.
I found the recent article from Dina Asher-Smith was v powerful.
" These few weeks have been so hard for so many people for a number of different reasons. For me, it was because it brought up so many suppressed memories and restated that it doesn’t matter what I do or accomplish, how kind or “good” a person I may be, how educated or well-intentioned I am, there are people out there that seek to do me wrong because of the colour of my skin. There are layers and layers of “unconscious” bias at best, and hate at worst, that affect my life on a day-to-day basis.
It’s being assumed that I am an employee rather than an attendee at a black-tie event. It’s being assumed that I come from a single-parent household and having consistently to emphasise that yes, my father is present and does come to my races… yes he’s over there… and yes, he is loving and supportive, he has been since the day I was born. It’s having to smile through the shocked “Oh” that follows that. It’s being followed around not so inconspicuously by security in a store from the moment you step in. It’s being assumed you can’t afford to buy anything in a nice shop."
Someone runs about in victim mode, desperately looking for slights and then is surprised she actually recognises them, pretty dire. Just reinforcing her bias , needs a bit of self confidence, less blaming others and less chip on shoulder
She didnt become the fastest woman in the world through lacking self confidence, blaming others or having a chip on her shoulder but through sheer hard graft and inner confidence. She know who she is, she is just disappointed others treat her like crap because of their false assumptions based on her skin colour.
If you say so
I would suggest that you take some time to understand the Nietzschian levels of will it takes to become a national, let alone international athlete.
It cannot be done by someone who is a shrinking wallflower.
I think I know that , yet still has an inferiority complex. If you wallow in self pity and go look for bogey men then you will easily spot them and reassure your bias. She is merely stating the typical stereotype that would be portrayed by about 1 in 10 million people. Only the odd arsehole assumes anyone of any colour is "an employee", I hardly think she would be dressed similar to employees at a black tie dinner and I just cannot see many people being surprised her father was with her, it sounds like made up bollox to me of the "oh poor me" variety. pardon me for being just a little cynical if it looks more like attention seeking and "Me Me Me" behaviour.. PS: plenty of wrecks of former athletes etc
I take it you have never heard her speak? She is relentlessly hyper positive and bubbly. She makes it clear in her interview she suppressed the bad memories and didnt wallow in them with self pity. Suppressing them is a coping strategy but it is sad one of our best athletes and national ambassadors is treated so poorly.
Never even heard of her but am even more certain it is exaggerated. As I said I doubt she was at a black tie dinner in a waiter's outfit, sounds your usual celebrity bollox trying to make out how ill done to they are.
Sounds to me like the witterings of an old dinosaur who can't cope with their world view being challenged.
go blow it out your arse, come back when your pimples have disappeared and you know the first thing about life you obnoxious little creep.
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"The group, which is not a registered charity, said the funds would go towards a number of aims including advocacy to effect changes in the law, developing and distributing educational resources, healing practices in black communities, police monitoring, strategies for the abolition of the police..."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/donations-to-black-lives-matter-uk-and-other-groups-top-1m
The trick is not to use the well-worn, racist tropes while doing so.
Bit like *not* flying a Confederate flag, really.
(B) Saying George Floyd was murdered because of an international Jewish conspiracy to train American police forces in anti-terrorism tactics is anti-Semitic. That is because (a) it didn’t happen (b) it distracts from the real issues at hand and (c) it was done with the intention of smearing Jews/Israelis by association.
I don’t know how that is difficult to understand. Unfortunately the problem is there are some people who are so messed up that they can’t see that (B) is racist even though (A) isn’t. Starting with far too many members of the Labour Party.
Most people who think hmm remember run away from that, no, they doubled down as apparently it was all a zionist led witch-hunt.
What's the $64,000 question posed by these Woquemadas going to be?
'Are you now or have you ever not been a member of the Communist Party?'
We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.
Polling has shown most of the country support BLM aims. There is no way most of the country support extreme Marxism. So most of the country are quite capable of seeing BLM slogan and movement positively whilst ignoring or being anti the opportunist groups taking advantage. It is just many posters on here who seem incapable of this.
Its already passed the number of the one that got him fired.
People can lose their jobs over wrongspeak. It's backward and vile, censorious and intolerant.
Even if he gets his job back this sort of insanity has a chilling effect on public discourse and freedom of expression.
And it's a natural and obvious consequence of well-meaning moderates backing the far left before they've got a clever slogan.
I wouldn't vote for him now if he stood for London Mayor. I'd vote for Sadiq Khan over Ray Winstone though - unlike you.
https://twitter.com/ukblm/status/1277227950094548993?s=21
Unwise, I think. Very unwise
And yet I frequently call out Israel’s actions in Gaza and the West Bank. Indeed, I have used the words ‘ethnic cleansing’ to describe Netanyahu’s policies towards Gaza.
It doesn’t seem to occur to these people, incidentally, that if they are openly anti-Semitic one of the key things that happens is everyone will ignore their criticism of Israel - even when it’s legitimate - because they’ll just assume it’s anti-Semitism. Does anyone take Naz Shah, Zarah Sultana or Jeremy Corbyn seriously on anything they say about Israel?
DYOR “ Newcastle, for Teesside and Teesdale, for North Wales, for the North-East of Scotland, for East Lancashire and West Bromwich”
It is indeed a most interesting list, not least because it is so specific. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5TVLEaqqdI
I suggest you actually read up on the origins of the Black Lives Matter movement, with deep connections to Marxist-leninist politics with added inspiration from people like Sharpton.
The movement is not being hijacked, it's simply not about what they claim it is.
They're the useful idiots of anti-semitic Marxists, who've fallen for a catchy slogan but lack the critical thinking skills to find out what's behind it.
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We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.
https://uk.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund
https://twitter.com/ukblm/status/1277224398622199809?s=21
Or that they can't be anti-semitic, since the Palestinians are Semites and they are pro-Palestinian.
The public are perfectly capable of separating a cause and an organisation, supporting the cause and direction of change, whilst ignoring the organisation.
I would no more give money to such an organisation than I would to a nice Nigerian gentleman telling me about an investment opportunity.
Black lives certainly do matter. Whether BLM is the way to help improve black lives is quite another matter entirely.
Criticising Israel is not antisemitic. Banging on relentlessly about it probably is.
I think the other I word - Immigration - works quite well as an equivalent from the other side of politics.
Rhetorical question. Don't sweat it.
It works brilliantly with "cultural marxism" too - recommend it for that most strongly.
Israel doesn't.