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  • TresTres Posts: 2,779
    edited June 2020
    eadric said:

    Come come, this is the kind of precise, granular political analysis you only find on PB. It is what makes this site exceptional
    Starting to show your age if you really think there are no other places online that combine pontificating on politics and pegging.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    eadric said:

    I'm having another go (without Googling). One of the Cornish constituencies. St Ives?
    In the old days, I would have guessed somewhere in Glasgow.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,823

    "One does not decide the truth of a thought according to whether it is right-wing or left-wing."
    - Albert Camus in a letter to Jean-Paul Sartre, 30 June 1952.

    You have to be very clever, just like Camus and Sartre, to not know that already.

  • The luring over a quite young woman is just a bit odd, I have to be honest
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,611
    I've just seen the 'sucking on a lollypop' picture.

    Ding dong.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Looks like Florida Man was a stereotype with a bit of truth in it. Almost +5k today.



  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,367

    I've looked up the answer. Islington North.

    Really? I said one of the Islington seats! Do I get a prize, or was I not sufficiently specific?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,502

    I've just seen the 'sucking on a lollypop' picture.

    Ding dong.

    Not wanting to endorse the views of the tin-foil hat brigade, there is something rather strange about that whole episode.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,779
    eadric said:

    Links?
    mumsnet.com
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    algarkirk said:

    You have to be very clever, just like Camus and Sartre, to not know that already.

    Only the very smartest can tackle Camus...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAy3XVn7oIU
  • eadric said:

    She's 28 FFS
    I am willing to bet the people luring after her are a lot older than 28. It's just a bit creepy and weird.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794

    They seem very much to be pitching towards younger, more left wing, readership.

    This is probably not a bad thing as the print media is generally quite right wing.
    No, they want the Cameroonian takeover of the party.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,502
    eadric said:

    She's 28 FFS
    Is that your upper limit?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    Can someone give me the ELI5 version of this new twatter beef? It's passed me by so far.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Andrew said:

    Looks like Florida Man was a stereotype with a bit of truth in it. Almost +5k today.

    I don't think img tag works any more but here's your link: https://us.v-cdn.net/5020679/uploads/editor/ka/dcmmnxcyv3ju.png

    It must be all the air conditioning, as we are finding outdoor gatherings are ok.

    A little noticed milestone - WHO states Thursday set a record for new cases worldwide. We are all acting like the worst is over, when we are not even into the woods. This is scarcely the end of the beginning of the beginning. We are not nearly there yet.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    What elements of 'the culture' does the Left control? That accusation has been levelled at things like the BBC, academia and the arts for many decades, so they're clearly not indoctrinating people very well if generation after generation are still voting for right-wing parties.
    The people keep voting for right-wing parties, in the vain hope that one day all the indoctrinated Common Purpose pen-pushers and box-tickers can be got out of the standing bureaucracy. Good luck Dominic ;)
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Andrew said:

    Looks like Florida Man was a stereotype with a bit of truth in it. Almost +5k today.



    IshmaelZ said:

    I don't think img tag works any more but here's your link: https://us.v-cdn.net/5020679/uploads/editor/ka/dcmmnxcyv3ju.png

    It must be all the air conditioning, as we are finding outdoor gatherings are ok.

    A little noticed milestone - WHO states Thursday set a record for new cases worldwide. We are all acting like the worst is over, when we are not even into the woods. This is scarcely the end of the beginning of the beginning. We are not nearly there yet.
    edit I was wrong about the img tag.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,611

    Really? I said one of the Islington seats! Do I get a prize, or was I not sufficiently specific?
    I was hoping to tap in to the hive mind on PB to get the answer so that I could then take credit where the question was originally posted.

    Alas my crafty scheme has failed!

    However I think a few of us were on the right lines thinking it would be in London.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,124

    I am willing to bet the people luring after her are a lot older than 28. It's just a bit creepy and weird.
    28 is a bit of an oldster for those on here who feast on the blood of virgins to revitalise their raddled old loins.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,917
    eadric said:

    She's 28 FFS
    Any lady under 50 is 'quite young' in my book. A 28 year old is a mere child! I suspect we are both of a similar date stamp.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,502
    From nowhere Everton could be 3-0 up. Very strange game.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,611
    eadric said:

    She's four years OLDER than my wife
    That makes your wife the same age as SeanT's other half.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,367

    I was hoping to tap in to the hive mind on PB to get the answer so that I could then take credit where the question was originally posted.

    Alas my crafty scheme has failed!

    However I think a few of us were on the right lines thinking it would be in London.
    I think perhaps in my subconscious I had remembered a factoid about Jezza's seat being the smallest. But it had to be a Labour voting inner London seat with loads of social housing, you don't get the population density anywhere else.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    eadric said:

    Talking of sex, I noted some stats the other day that are, I feel, politically relevant

    Young people have stopped having sex, in quite a staggering way:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/12/the-sex-recession/573949/

    "Americans now in their early 20s are two and a half times as likely to be abstinent as Gen Xers were at that age; 15 percent report having had no sex since they reached adulthood."

    " In 2005, a third of Japanese single people ages 18 to 34 were virgins; by 2015, 43 percent of people in this age group were,"

    "One of the most respected sex studies in the world, Britain’s National Survey of Sexual Attitudes and Lifestyles, reported in 2001 that people ages 16 to 44 were having sex more than six times a month on average. By 2012, the rate had dropped to fewer than five times. Over roughly the same period, Australians in relationships went from having sex about 1.8 times a week to 1.4 times. Finland’s “Finsex” study found declines in intercourse frequency, along with rising rates of masturbation""


    Why is this happening? There are loads of explanations from social media to junk food to a huge decline in testosterone:


    "Studies show that men’s testosterone levels have been declining for decades. The most prominent, a 2007 study in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, revealed a “substantial” drop in U.S. men’s testosterone levels since the 1980s, with average levels declining by about 1% per year"

    We have bred a generation of frustrated but weedy men who go on protests rather than get laid. All is explained.
    My theory is that tinder has ruined the thrill of the chase. It's genuinely such a piece of piss to get laid in a big city these days for men and women. It takes a profile on tinder or hinge and then a slightly reasonable level of bants and paying for the first date, or skipping it entirely and inviting them over.

    I really do believe that the ease of that has just made it boring. The initial hard work in getting a gf is part of the foundation of a relationship. As of today, there's basically no work required. Also, sex is better when you know the person well, sex with a stranger from tinder is a fleeting joy and ultimately quite depressing when one thinks about it for longer than a few minutes. That dawned on a lot of my formerly single friends a few years ago and almost everyone is either married or on the way to it. People in their early twenties are realising these things now but they don't have the tools to go out to a bar and get laid, they will have to learn that again before sex becomes fun and interesting again.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449

    That makes your wife the same age as SeanT's other half.
    Is it possible that Eadric is SeanT’s Tyler Durden?
  • It’s tiny though

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
    The recent uptick can be ascribed to the testing programme having placed an emphasis on abattoirs, and other sites with similar characteristics. The first recognised hotspot of that sort was an abattoir in Bad Bramstedt (Kreis Steinburg) just north of Hamburg. After understanding the precarious nature of places like that, the decision was made to mass test any others, regardless of symptomatic indications, and they have shown to be significant reservoirs of infection.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,917
    eadric said:

    She's four years OLDER than my wife
    What can I say? Congratulations!

  • That would be really interesting to know. Do we have any German dwellers on PB who can let us know a.
    Many people have done so by car all the time. The lockdown of commercial activity was a little less severe than in the UK. Use of public transport has roughly doubled (at least) in Hamburg over the last month.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    But I bet he fucking loved it.
    He didn't, alas. Wanted what Mamma mia gave him at home.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,128
    edited June 2020
    eadric said:

    It's bollocks. Germany has a very small number of cases so the R0 is largely irrelevant at the moment. It's like saying a village has a 100% annual population growth rate when its single inhabitant gets married

    Nicola Sturgeon has retweeted this silliness. An uncharacteristic error
    Bad mistake by Ms Sturgeon.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,128

    Quiz question: Which parliamentary constituency has the smallest geographic area.

    I got the biggest correct but don't know this one.

    (No cheating!)

    It used to be Islington North. Not sure whether it still is.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Well that was quite the boring match - definitely not the same with no fans there. Barely a shot on target the whole match.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    Sandpit said:

    Well that was quite the boring match - definitely not the same with no fans there. Barely a shot on target the whole match.

    Has there been any good ones yet since the return?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    eadric said:

    That's a part of it, maybe, but I think the total explanation is much deeper and more complex. And you are ignoring that astounding drop in testosterone, which is born out by personal observation: young men today seem nicer, more polite, less belligerent than my generation, the aggressive ones really stand out. Young men are also much more averse to risk (risk taking is a signal of testosterone) - that explains the drop in drinking and drugging maybe.

    All of this can be seen as good, perhaps, but it makes for less exciting partners for women?
    Not going to lie, being an arsehole definitely helps with women. Being nice has never worked so you're definitely onto something there. My best friend's wife actually puts it down to boys being raised by single mums, it's definitely got a lot of logic to it, but will never be studied, of course.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,502

    Has there been any good ones yet since the return?
    I thought Spurs v Man Utd was quite good.
  • matthiasfromhamburgmatthiasfromhamburg Posts: 957
    edited June 2020
    In St. Pauli football news, we fought Jahn Regensburg to a heroic 1:1 tie, Karlsruhe drew at Bielefeld, Wiesbaden lost, still five points clear, we're almost safe.

    "Vorwärts!"

    edit: and the HSV lost, in cringeworthy fashion, couldn't happen to a nicer club.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,917
    eadric said:

    I doubt it. He always struck me as a bit of a fibber, and prone to some dubious boasting
    Are you suggesting he's an absolute knob? A bit harsh I think.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited June 2020
    eadric said:

    Another explanation I have heard is this: the reliance on very visually-oriented dating apps means that the less good looking young men don't ever get a chance.

    In the past uglier men could reply on charm, luck, wit, money, status, to make up for goofy teeth. They would still get their opportunity in the bar, or at the party, when they met the girl for the first time: the girl would see past the spots and hear the jokes

    These days they don't get that chance, as women just sweep left. Gone.

    This means that a small subset of very good looking men get lots and lots of girls, and a large subset of unhandsome men get nothing.

    This is a real problem. Incels are unhappy people. It's a kind of polygyny and polygynous societies tend to be unstable and eventually violent
    Also, you are going to have to put your other half all over the social medias. So all you instanta friends will see you are dating an ugly one, and in world of instanta is all about portraying perfection.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,367

    Is it possible that Eadric is SeanT’s Tyler Durden?
    SeanT would definitely not be able to abide by the first rule of Fight Club.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    eadric said:

    Another explanation I have heard is this: the reliance on very visually-oriented dating apps means that the less good looking young men don't ever get a chance.

    In the past uglier men could reply on charm, luck, wit, money, status, to make up for goofy teeth. They would still get their opportunity in the bar, or at the party, when they met the girl for the first time: the girl would see past the spots and hear the jokes

    These days they don't get that chance, as women just sweep left. Gone.

    This means that a small subset of very good looking men get lots and lots of girls, and a large subset of unhandsome men get nothing.

    This is a real problem. Incels are unhappy people. It's a kind of polygyny and polygynous societies tend to be unstable and eventually violent
    The ‘80/20 rule’ has been confirmed by scientific studies.
    Basically, only 20% of men are getting ‘dates’ from apps.
    https://deepstrength.wordpress.com/2017/09/03/tinder-reaffirms-the-8020-rule/
  • Is Sean's life that boring he has to talk to himself on the Internet? Tragic stuff.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,170

    Is it possible that Eadric is SeanT’s Tyler Durden?
    The first rule of PB is you don't talk about SeanT's alter egos.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,984

    I am willing to bet the people luring after her are a lot older than 28. It's just a bit creepy and weird.
    I’m 28. :)
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    eadric said:

    Another explanation I have heard is this: the reliance on very visually-oriented dating apps means that the less good looking young men don't ever get a chance.

    In the past uglier men could reply on charm, luck, wit, money, status, to make up for goofy teeth. They would still get their opportunity in the bar, or at the party, when they met the girl for the first time: the girl would see past the spots and hear the jokes

    These days they don't get that chance, as women just sweep left. Gone.

    This means that a small subset of very good looking men get lots and lots of girls, and a large subset of unhandsome men get nothing.

    This is a real problem. Incels are unhappy people. It's a kind of polygyny and polygynous societies tend to be unstable and eventually violent
    You're probably right. There's a lot of 4-7/10 guys who struggle on tinder that would eventually get girls on nights out etc...

    In general social media and the internet haven't been good for dating and marriage. Social media couples irritate me a lot.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,367
    eadric said:

    That's a part of it, maybe, but I think the total explanation is much deeper and more complex. And you are ignoring that astounding drop in testosterone, which is born out by personal observation: young men today seem nicer, more polite, less belligerent than my generation, the aggressive ones really stand out. Young men are also much more averse to risk (risk taking is a signal of testosterone) - that explains the drop in drinking and drugging maybe.

    All of this can be seen as good, perhaps, but it makes for less exciting partners for women?
    I agree that young men are all ridiculously nice these days, it's weird. I thought maybe unleaded petrol might be part of the story there.
    Isn't the real reason that people are having less sex simply that they're pairing off later? The best way to have regular sex from a young age is to be in a long term relationship or marriage.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,611

    Is Sean's life that boring he has to talk to himself on the Internet? Tragic stuff.

    Even worse. He has to talk to us lot!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794

    I agree that young men are all ridiculously nice these days, it's weird. I thought maybe unleaded petrol might be part of the story there.
    Isn't the real reason that people are having less sex simply that they're pairing off later? The best way to have regular sex from a young age is to be in a long term relationship or marriage.
    In my experience it was being in lots of short term relationships (consecutively, not concurrently), at least when I was that age. You get variety and a lot of sex that way and you get a good chance of meeting your future wife as well (which I did in my final year).
  • Scott_xP said:
    Every time this comes up, the Tory Party reminds us of its 1800s era attitudes
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    That makes your wife the same age as SeanT's other half.
    What are the odds on that eh ;-)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    Isn't tinder going a bit like the facebook these days i.e increasingly middle aged folk getting on there trying to find a date inbetween their job and kids?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,170
    edited June 2020
    CatMan said:

    The first rule of PB is you don't talk about SeanT's alter egos.
    The second rule of PB is YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT SEANT'S ALTER EGOS!
  • Helen Whately.

    "The last time there was ever something so out of its depth, the Titanic sank to the bottom of the ocean."
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794

    Isn't tinder going a bit like the facebook these days i.e increasingly middle aged folk getting on there trying to find a date inbetween their job and kids?

    From what a friend says the best girls are on hinge.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    Scott_xP said:
    Last time it was the businesses that didn't like it. They allowed longer opening for the Olympics and I presumed that would just open the door, but loads of big business weren't fans even Sainsbury's who surely win big from it.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,070

    Isn't tinder going a bit like the facebook these days i.e increasingly middle aged folk getting on there trying to find a date inbetween their job and kids?

    How would you know?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,486

    Every time this comes up, the Tory Party reminds us of its 1800s era attitudes

    And despite having "a majority of 80", BoZo and Cummings are absolutely shit at party management and Parliamentary procedure
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,984

    Isn't tinder going a bit like the facebook these days i.e increasingly middle aged folk getting on there trying to find a date inbetween their job and kids?

    My recent Tinder experience has been pretty positive. Bumble too.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited June 2020
    eristdoof said:

    How would you know?
    I don't, it was a question, just based on observation that single friends seem to use it who aren't in their 20s and looking for random hookups.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,486
    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1274799455116673027

    I wonder if TissuePrice is on the naughty list...
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,170
    edited June 2020
    Scott_xP said:

    And despite having "a majority of 80", BoZo and Cummings are absolutely shit at party management and Parliamentary procedure
    It's really strange why Tory MPs are against shops being open on Sundays. Thatcher tried to liberalise Sunday opening hours and she couldn't because of a massive rebellion from her MPs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shops_Bill_1986
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,076
    https://twitter.com/BBCAlagiah/status/1274765443631382529

    But does the BBC except some role in all this. How many frigging times was Farage on QT poisoning Britain?
  • https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1274648847424290816

    Twitter was not happy a black man was shown
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,076
    CatMan said:

    It's really strange why Tory MPs are against shops being open on Sundays. Thatcher tried to liberalise Sunday opening hours and she couldn't because of a massive rebellion from her MPs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shops_Bill_1986
    The Tory Party at prayer used to be a joke about the CoE.

  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,170

    https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1274648847424290816

    Twitter was not happy a black man was shown

    Bloody Woke Conservatives.

    Errrr.....
  • SurreySurrey Posts: 190
    eadric said:

    Another explanation I have heard is this: the reliance on very visually-oriented dating apps means that the less good looking young men don't ever get a chance.

    In the past uglier men could reply on charm, luck, wit, money, status, to make up for goofy teeth. They would still get their opportunity in the bar, or at the party, when they met the girl for the first time: the girl would see past the spots and hear the jokes

    These days they don't get that chance, as women just sweep left. Gone.

    This means that a small subset of very good looking men get lots and lots of girls, and a large subset of unhandsome men get nothing.

    This is a real problem. Incels are unhappy people. It's a kind of polygyny and polygynous societies tend to be unstable and eventually violent
    As the proportion of men who know some game drops through the floor, though, even rudimentary game goes a long way offline nowadays, especially day game. Or it did, pre-lockdown.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1274648847424290816

    Twitter was not happy a black man was shown

    Indeed. How dare a third of the Conservative cabinet be ethnic minorities.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,611
    They put the apostrophe in the wrong place.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    I'm not convinced that opening on Sunday is a good thing for the nation. If anything we should tighten the rules and stop larger convenience stores from opening. Sunday should be the one day of the week where the majority of people aren't working. Of course there will be people who are but we should try and have at least one day where 25m people have a day off together per week. I'm not particularly religious so they could do it on another day but Sunday seems easiest.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,070


    That would be really interesting to know. Do we have any German dwellers on PB who can let us know a.
    It's a halfway house. Where it is possible, still work at home is the advice. However, shops, bars and restaurants have been open for a month now, with modest distancing rules. As far as the R figure goes, the issue is ther have been two massive hotspots in abbatoirs and a few outbreaks, e.g. Neukölln in Berlin and Göttingen in central Germany, so a single figure can't really represent what is going on. So far it seems that the outbreaks are beeing identified early and as many "locals" as possible are being tested. This is cruicial as it means the localised outbreaks can be contained.
  • eadric said:

    A least the Tories showed an actual man with his kid in their Father's Day ad, unlike Labour, who are implying that all black fathers run off and leave their kids with a "carer"
    The replies to the Tory tweet are absolutely awful and vile though - seemingly a lot of them are from Tory voters.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    eadric said:

    That is the single most unfortunate political ad I have ever seen

    I think it manages to insult almost every demographic in the country
    Is the adult a man or woman, on my first view I thought it was the mother and was just confused. The graphic is absolutely terrible.
  • eristdoof said:

    It's a halfway house. Where it is possible, still work at home is the advice. However, shops, bars and restaurants have been open for a month now, with modest distancing rules. As far as the R figure goes, the issue is ther have been two massive hotspots in abbatoirs and a few outbreaks, e.g. Neukölln in Berlin and Göttingen in central Germany, so a single figure can't really represent what is going on. So far it seems that the outbreaks are beeing identified early and as many "locals" as possible are being tested. This is cruicial as it means the localised outbreaks can be contained.
    Thanks for the insight. Appreciated.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    MaxPB said:

    Is the adult a man or woman, on my first view I thought it was the mother and was just confused. The graphic is absolutely terrible.
    They don’t want to upset the female fathers?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    In these woke times, even sending a fathers day tweet is a minefield.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,032
    MaxPB said:

    From what a friend says the best girls are on hinge.
    "On hinge" or "unhinged"?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,128
    eadric said:

    Another explanation I have heard is this: the reliance on very visually-oriented dating apps means that the less good looking young men don't ever get a chance.

    In the past uglier men could reply on charm, luck, wit, money, status, to make up for goofy teeth. They would still get their opportunity in the bar, or at the party, when they met the girl for the first time: the girl would see past the spots and hear the jokes

    These days they don't get that chance, as women just sweep left. Gone.

    This means that a small subset of very good looking men get lots and lots of girls, and a large subset of unhandsome men get nothing.

    This is a real problem. Incels are unhappy people. It's a kind of polygyny and polygynous societies tend to be unstable and eventually violent
    It's a return to the dark ages.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,076
    eadric said:

    I think they've been so over-sensitive and UberWoke they've tried to make the "father" look asexual, or non-binary, or whatever it is, but they've ended up with an image that looks like a black mother with her child who has been abandoned by her black father: on an ad "celebrating" Father's Day

    So they've ignored all white people, insulted all black people, patronised all trans people, and seriously pissed off mothers and fathers alike, of all races.

    And they got the apostrophe wrong
    Intern Sunday?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    edited June 2020

    In these woke times, even sending a fathers day tweet is a minefield.

    It's super easy for Labour, just send a picture of Starmer and his kids, if they are ok with being used as props. It's the kind of thing Blair and Dave would do.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,183
    edited June 2020
    MaxPB said:

    I'm not convinced that opening on Sunday is a good thing for the nation. If anything we should tighten the rules and stop larger convenience stores from opening. Sunday should be the one day of the week where the majority of people aren't working. Of course there will be people who are but we should try and have at least one day where 25m people have a day off together per week. I'm not particularly religious so they could do it on another day but Sunday seems easiest.

    I totally disagree.

    Not up to the govt to say when and how perfectly legitimate companies should trade.

    Online makes a mockery of it anyway.

    And it isn't 'a day off' for restaurants, pubs, leisure staff etc anyway.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,953
    eadric said:

    I think they've been so over-sensitive and UberWoke they've tried to make the "father" look asexual, or non-binary, or whatever it is, but they've ended up with an image that looks like a black mother with her child who has been abandoned by her black father: on an ad "celebrating" Father's Day

    So they've ignored all white people, insulted all black people, patronised all trans people, and seriously pissed off mothers and fathers alike, of all races.

    And they got the apostrophe wrong
    Sir Keir needs to distance himself from this. This is the first massive blunder of his leadership - a real test of his judgement, courage and authority.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,984
    MaxPB said:

    I'm not convinced that opening on Sunday is a good thing for the nation. If anything we should tighten the rules and stop larger convenience stores from opening. Sunday should be the one day of the week where the majority of people aren't working. Of course there will be people who are but we should try and have at least one day where 25m people have a day off together per week. I'm not particularly religious so they could do it on another day but Sunday seems easiest.

    Um. No. Tons of people work on Sundays regardless of whether large supermarkets are able to open, and then they can’t shop for food at the end of their shift.

    Your comment comes from a position of immense privilege.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited June 2020
    MaxPB said:

    It's super easy for Labour, just send a picture of Starmer and his kids, if they are ok with being used as props. It's the kind of thing Blair and Dave would do.
    You would think, but there was probably a 3hr planning meeting to try to ensure any possible avenues of offense was ruled out.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,170
    Mortimer said:

    I totally disagree.

    Not up to the govt to say when and how perfectly legitimate companies should trade.

    Online makes a mockery of it anyway.

    And it isn't 'a day off' for restaurants, pubs, leisure staff etc anyway.
    Yes. Most shops (offline and online) are open anyway. But for some reason large shops should be shut so we can all go and pray at church, or something...
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    MaxPB said:

    Is the adult a man or woman, on my first view I thought it was the mother and was just confused. The graphic is absolutely terrible.
    I can't tell if the child is meant to be the same race as the adult.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    IshmaelZ said:

    I can't tell if the child is meant to be the same race as the adult.
    Me neither.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,183
    eadric said:

    You jest, I am sure

    It's an obscure internet ad released on a lazy Sunday, few will notice

    However it is a sign that Wokeness might be a problem for Labour in future: in their effort to satisfy everyone, and tick every PC box, they might end up infuriating most of the country

    Tricky stuff. Tories should take note
    I made this point last night to CHB.

    Labour cannot win from the Woke Left.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,076
    eadric said:

    The child looks like a weirdly tanned Japanese kid, the "father" looks like Michael Jackson after a botched sex change. If it is a father

    Quite unfortunate
    At least the apostrophe is in the right place, according to OED.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,090
    eadric said:
    That's hilarious.
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