Anyone know where the Guardian money came from to set up the paper in the first place?
Enterprise!
Horribly misused enterprise in retrospect. We had an Empire once - hard to believe that the rise of the left and the viral-death of the Empire weren't linked.
(Probably not all the Guardian's fault though.)
The 'end of empire' surely was hastened by the expenditure on WWI, which needn't have happened.
I was hoping that facts might not get in the way of my diatribe
I do in fact think that the politics of the left have been the main factor taking us from super-power to super-numerary. I'm probably wrong though. I've been wrong before, back in the eighties...
Macmillan recognised the Winds of Change in 1960. Except India and Burma, almost all of the British Empire gained independence in the relatively short period between 1957 and 1964, or were set on an irreversible course in that direction. There were a few late stragglers, but under the Tories, the Empire ended, mostly fairly peacefully.
I was thinking a little further back. By the 1950s we were toast as an Empire.
What a spectacle humanity is making of itself. I wish we could cancel the internet
To be fair, if that Tory bloke did say that about Ash Sarkar then he’s a bellend of the highest order.
He didn't make the death threat, but he did appear to "condone it" by getting involved in the conversation, so he was a damn fool: agreed.
However I loathe this cancel culture. I loathe the relish of the cancellers, who love to tear people down. Look at this tweet from the same Owen Jones. Lusting for blood. Yuk.
I mean, Owen Jones is also a bellend of the highest order.
The story here is loathsome goon encourages death threats against confident young left wing woman - since nothing gets the goat of these people more than uppity dusky maidens with the wrong politics who don't know their place - and this will remain the story despite the usual tediously predictable efforts of racist, hard right culture warriors to turn it into an "Owen Jones is a wanker" narrative.
Do not collaborate, I beseech you.
Death threats are contemptible, but Ash Sarkar is no saint
As whataboutery goes, that is actually disgusting.
Whatever she is, she does not deserve death threats.
And even if for some obscure reason she did, then it is hard to imagine why she should receive them for posting a photo of herself eating a lollipop.
I mean, come on.
In this brave new world, every image can be construed as fascist or stalinist or racist or whatever.
4chan haves turned the OK symbol into a racist thing. I am puzzled as to where this leaves scuba divers - will they have to change the official OK sign?
I wondered this to. The problem is that the "Thumbs up" sign has another meaning when you are under water, saying "I want to head back up to the surface"
Exactly.
I believe the OK = racist thing started as a meme joke. It wasn't true. Then it got adopted by some actual racists. And opponents of racists.
Bit like the deep fried mars bars thing. In Wiltshire, they heard the story. And the local chip shop started deep frying mars bars....
So that must be where the English tourists come from that demand DFMBs in the central Edinburgh chippies, to go with their exotic haggis pudden and chips.
Happened in quite a lot of places, I understand. I was actually in Wiltshire when that happened at the local chip shop.
I still find it hard to believe there is anyone stupid enough to want a DFMB, haggis and chips I can just about manage.
Never had a DFMB but battered pizza is amazing. At least the first half is. By the end you are consumed by self loathing and you start to fall into a carb-induced coma.
Yes had a few of them , same with steak pie , especially on top of huge amount of drink. I have not done it in a very very long time though.
Anyone know where the Guardian money came from to set up the paper in the first place?
Enterprise!
Horribly misused enterprise in retrospect. We had an Empire once - hard to believe that the rise of the left and the viral-death of the Empire weren't linked.
(Probably not all the Guardian's fault though.)
The 'end of empire' surely was hastened by the expenditure on WWI, which needn't have happened.
I was hoping that facts might not get in the way of my diatribe
I do in fact think that the politics of the left have been the main factor taking us from super-power to super-numerary. I'm probably wrong though. I've been wrong before, back in the eighties...
Macmillan recognised the Winds of Change in 1960. Except India and Burma, almost all of the British Empire gained independence in the relatively short period between 1957 and 1964, or were set on an irreversible course in that direction. There were a few late stragglers, but under the Tories, the Empire ended, mostly fairly peacefully.
It was Attlee who gave up India and Pakistan which lost us our super power status
Anyone know where the Guardian money came from to set up the paper in the first place?
Enterprise!
Horribly misused enterprise in retrospect. We had an Empire once - hard to believe that the rise of the left and the viral-death of the Empire weren't linked.
(Probably not all the Guardian's fault though.)
The 'end of empire' surely was hastened by the expenditure on WWI, which needn't have happened.
I was hoping that facts might not get in the way of my diatribe
I do in fact think that the politics of the left have been the main factor taking us from super-power to super-numerary. I'm probably wrong though. I've been wrong before, back in the eighties...
Macmillan recognised the Winds of Change in 1960. Except India and Burma, almost all of the British Empire gained independence in the relatively short period between 1957 and 1964, or were set on an irreversible course in that direction. There were a few late stragglers, but under the Tories, the Empire ended, mostly fairly peacefully.
It was Attlee who gave up India and Pakistan which lost us our super power status
Do you think he should have kept them? You know, sent the army in?
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
Anyone know where the Guardian money came from to set up the paper in the first place?
Enterprise!
Horribly misused enterprise in retrospect. We had an Empire once - hard to believe that the rise of the left and the viral-death of the Empire weren't linked.
(Probably not all the Guardian's fault though.)
The 'end of empire' surely was hastened by the expenditure on WWI, which needn't have happened.
I was hoping that facts might not get in the way of my diatribe
I do in fact think that the politics of the left have been the main factor taking us from super-power to super-numerary. I'm probably wrong though. I've been wrong before, back in the eighties...
Macmillan recognised the Winds of Change in 1960. Except India and Burma, almost all of the British Empire gained independence in the relatively short period between 1957 and 1964, or were set on an irreversible course in that direction. There were a few late stragglers, but under the Tories, the Empire ended, mostly fairly peacefully.
It was Attlee who gave up India and Pakistan which lost us our super power status
Do you think he should have kept them? You know, sent the army in?
Churchill did want to keep India and had he remained PM in 1945 it is unlikely it would have gone. Much as Boris of course will refuse to allow indyref2 for a generation.
Ultimately however the decolonisation process meant India would likely have gone but it would have stayed part of the Empire at least another decade or two had the Tories won in 1945
By contrast heard my first 3 planes into Newcastle Airport this week. We are on the flightpath for Spain and France. Had no idea what it the heck it was when the first went over on Wednesday. How quickly we forget!
Anyone know where the Guardian money came from to set up the paper in the first place?
Enterprise!
Horribly misused enterprise in retrospect. We had an Empire once - hard to believe that the rise of the left and the viral-death of the Empire weren't linked.
(Probably not all the Guardian's fault though.)
The 'end of empire' surely was hastened by the expenditure on WWI, which needn't have happened.
I was hoping that facts might not get in the way of my diatribe
I do in fact think that the politics of the left have been the main factor taking us from super-power to super-numerary. I'm probably wrong though. I've been wrong before, back in the eighties...
Macmillan recognised the Winds of Change in 1960. Except India and Burma, almost all of the British Empire gained independence in the relatively short period between 1957 and 1964, or were set on an irreversible course in that direction. There were a few late stragglers, but under the Tories, the Empire ended, mostly fairly peacefully.
It was Attlee who gave up India and Pakistan which lost us our super power status
Do you think he should have kept them? You know, sent the army in?
Churchill did want to keep India and had he remained PM in 1945 it is unlikely it would have gone. Much as Boris of course will refuse to allow indyref2 for a generation.
Ultimately however the decolonisation process meant India would likely have gone but it would have stayed part of the Empire at least another decade or two had the Tories won in 1945
Yopu seriously think the Brits could have held onto India, after their utter incompetence had been shown in Honkers, Malaya, Singapore, and Burma?! They had lost all credibility - and to that add a famine. Regaining SWA was only done with the implicit agreement of the Indians that independence would soon follow.
Edit: there were some very fine fighters in the British armed services - one thinks of Imphal and Kohima in particular. But the whole rationale of Empire was smashed.
By contrast heard my first 3 planes into Newcastle Airport this week. We are on the flightpath for Spain and France. Had no idea what it the heck it was when the first went over on Wednesday. How quickly we forget!
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
Anyone know where the Guardian money came from to set up the paper in the first place?
Enterprise!
Horribly misused enterprise in retrospect. We had an Empire once - hard to believe that the rise of the left and the viral-death of the Empire weren't linked.
(Probably not all the Guardian's fault though.)
The 'end of empire' surely was hastened by the expenditure on WWI, which needn't have happened.
I was hoping that facts might not get in the way of my diatribe
I do in fact think that the politics of the left have been the main factor taking us from super-power to super-numerary. I'm probably wrong though. I've been wrong before, back in the eighties...
Macmillan recognised the Winds of Change in 1960. Except India and Burma, almost all of the British Empire gained independence in the relatively short period between 1957 and 1964, or were set on an irreversible course in that direction. There were a few late stragglers, but under the Tories, the Empire ended, mostly fairly peacefully.
It was Attlee who gave up India and Pakistan which lost us our super power status
Do you think he should have kept them? You know, sent the army in?
Churchill did want to keep India and had he remained PM in 1945 it is unlikely it would have gone. Much as Boris of course will refuse to allow indyref2 for a generation.
Ultimately however the decolonisation process meant India would likely have gone but it would have stayed part of the Empire at least another decade or two had the Tories won in 1945
Yopu seriously think the Brits could have held onto India, after their utter incompetence had been shown in Honkers, Malaya, Singapore, and Burma?! They had lost all credibility - and to that add a famine. Regaining SWA was only done with the implicit agreement of the Indians that independence would soon follow.
Edit: there were some very fine fighters in the British armed services - one thinks of Imphal and Kohima in particular. But the whole rationale of Empire was smashed.
Of course, India remained British throughout WW2 and with India Britain remained one of the 3 global superpowers alongside the USA and USSR
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
80 seat majority and been in power for 10 years and 28 of the last 41. Yet the country is going to the dogs under the jackboot heel of the opposition.
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
The left has never forgiven Orwell for sussing them out so unanswerably in 'The Lion and the Unicorn' back in 1941:
'England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God save the King” than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible.'
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
80 seat majority and been in power for 10 years and 28 of the last 41. Yet the country is going to the dogs under the jackboot heel of the opposition.
The Tories are the most popular party and control the government, the Left controls the culture, which they wield like a rapier to set the permitted bounds of speech and debate. This really isn't difficult to understand.
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
The left has never forgiven Orwell for sussing them out so unanswerably in 'The Lion and the Unicorn' back in 1941:
'England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God save the King” than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible.'
Spot on. Orwell was a noted Tory Party cheerleader and never failed to put in a good word for them.
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
Haha great tactic -find an author admired by those who disagree with you politically, then announce that the views of anyone who references said author are to be instantly discounted
By contrast heard my first 3 planes into Newcastle Airport this week. We are on the flightpath for Spain and France. Had no idea what it the heck it was when the first went over on Wednesday. How quickly we forget!
My friend lives next to the army ranges and he says it was strange when they stopped exercises in March and April. They are very much making up for it now!
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
80 seat majority and been in power for 10 years and 28 of the last 41. Yet the country is going to the dogs under the jackboot heel of the opposition.
Or maybe he has discovered that we do not live in an idealised version of 5th century Athens and that power is exercised outside and beyond the ballot box and the House of Commons and that just as within that hallowed place not everyone doing it is very agreeable.
Maybe I'm misreading it, but that tweet doesn't seem to be saying children have lower infectivity -- it just says they're more likely to be asymptomatic. So a child could catch covid at school, but because asymptomatic they don't get identified as the household's "index case". They pass it to a parent, who does get noticeably sick, and so gets tested. Then contact tracing looks at who's been in contact with the parent, which is a group that obviously includes the child. Child gets tested, but by this point their immune system has mostly cleared up their asymptomatic infection and they show as having a low viral load. If they'd been tested the week before their parent caught it rather than the week after the results would likely have been higher. (Haven't read the stuff the tweet is a response to.)
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
The left has never forgiven Orwell for sussing them out so unanswerably in 'The Lion and the Unicorn' back in 1941:
'England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God save the King” than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible.'
Spot on. Orwell was a noted Tory Party cheerleader and never failed to put in a good word for them.
Edit: Not. In case anyone finds that "difficult to understand".
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
80 seat majority and been in power for 10 years and 28 of the last 41. Yet the country is going to the dogs under the jackboot heel of the opposition.
Yes - it's quite a trick to pull off if they manage it.
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
The left has never forgiven Orwell for sussing them out so unanswerably in 'The Lion and the Unicorn' back in 1941:
'England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God save the King” than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible.'
Spot on. Orwell was a noted Tory Party cheerleader and never failed to put in a good word for them.
Edit: Not. In case anyone finds that "difficult to understand".
Maybe I'm misreading it, but that tweet doesn't seem to be saying children have lower infectivity -- it just says they're more likely to be asymptomatic. So a child could catch covid at school, but because asymptomatic they don't get identified as the household's "index case". They pass it to a parent, who does get noticeably sick, and so gets tested. Then contact tracing looks at who's been in contact with the parent, which is a group that obviously includes the child. Child gets tested, but by this point their immune system has mostly cleared up their asymptomatic infection and they show as having a low viral load. If they'd been tested the week before their parent caught it rather than the week after the results would likely have been higher. (Haven't read the stuff the tweet is a response to.)
That's my reading too, and that because kids are largely asymptomatic, they are being overlooked as the index case, with further implications that they role in the spread is being underestimated.
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
The left has never forgiven Orwell for sussing them out so unanswerably in 'The Lion and the Unicorn' back in 1941:
'England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God save the King” than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible.'
Spot on. Orwell was a noted Tory Party cheerleader and never failed to put in a good word for them.
Edit: Not. In case anyone finds that "difficult to understand".
Doesn't that make his observation about the Left that much more powerful?
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
Haha great tactic -find an author admired by those who disagree with you politically, then announce that the views of anyone who references said author are to be instantly discounted
Positively Orwellian!
I was going to make exactly the same point. We can counter their duplicitousness by using the epithet 'Zamyatinian', which is not inappropriate since Zamyatin was a classic pioneer in the dystopian genre.
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
Haha great tactic -find an author admired by those who disagree with you politically, then announce that the views of anyone who references said author are to be instantly discounted
Positively Orwellian!
You what? He's a hero of the left. "Road". "Down and Out". All the best stuff.
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
The left has never forgiven Orwell for sussing them out so unanswerably in 'The Lion and the Unicorn' back in 1941:
'England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God save the King” than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible.'
Spot on. Orwell was a noted Tory Party cheerleader and never failed to put in a good word for them.
Would be fascinating to hear ol' George's opinion on the infiltration of the governing party by members of the Revolutionary Communist Party and contributors to Living Marxism.
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
80 seat majority and been in power for 10 years and 28 of the last 41. Yet the country is going to the dogs under the jackboot heel of the opposition.
The Tories are the most popular party and control the government, the Left controls the culture, which they wield like a rapier to set the permitted bounds of speech and debate. This really isn't difficult to understand.
What elements of 'the culture' does the Left control? That accusation has been levelled at things like the BBC, academia and the arts for many decades, so they're clearly not indoctrinating people very well if generation after generation are still voting for right-wing parties.
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
The left has never forgiven Orwell for sussing them out so unanswerably in 'The Lion and the Unicorn' back in 1941:
'England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God save the King” than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible.'
You need to be changing your handle. After yesterday's "tee shirt" exchange it is clear you are less a Con partisan than a hard right ideologue. Which is fine - but I think we do still have a Trade Descriptions Act.
On today’s much-discussed subject of Ash Sarkar, I have to say I like her. Yes, many of her opinions are barking, but on a personal level she seems a lot of fun.
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
The left has never forgiven Orwell for sussing them out so unanswerably in 'The Lion and the Unicorn' back in 1941:
'England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God save the King” than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible.'
You need to be changing your handle. After yesterday's "tee shirt" exchange it is clear you are less a Con partisan than a hard right ideologue. Which is fine - but I think we do still have a Trade Descriptions Act.
Do bugger off. Just because I don't absolve the communists of their 100 million+ fatalities as easily as you do doesn't make me 'hard' anything. It does make you hard of thinking, however.
Of course, India remained British throughout WW2 and with India Britain remained one of the 3 global superpowers alongside the USA and USSR
Nice bit of Liberal Unionist hyperbole there, my friend.
Britain's role in the "allied alliance" changed with time and by Yalta let alone Potsdam it was clear we were the junior partner.
We were a superpower once we had the Bomb but Suez cruelly exposed our military, diplomatic and political limitations. It was from that humiliation that the Conservatives under Harold Macmillan realised our future lay not with Empire but with Europe and began our (roughly) 60-year political relationship with Europe which was broken by the referendum and has now ended.
It was Conservatives who took is into Europe (without a referendum) and Conservatives who took us out of Europe (via a referendum).
The new globalist mentality is the modern re-incarnation of Liberal Unionism of which of course Churchill was an adherent.
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
The left has never forgiven Orwell for sussing them out so unanswerably in 'The Lion and the Unicorn' back in 1941:
'England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God save the King” than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible.'
You need to be changing your handle. After yesterday's "tee shirt" exchange it is clear you are less a Con partisan than a hard right ideologue. Which is fine - but I think we do still have a Trade Descriptions Act.
Do bugger off. Just because I don't absolve the communists of their 100 million+ fatalities as easily as you do doesn't make me 'hard' anything. It does make you hard of thinking, however.
Of course, India remained British throughout WW2 and with India Britain remained one of the 3 global superpowers alongside the USA and USSR
Nice bit of Liberal Unionist hyperbole there, my friend.
Britain's role in the "allied alliance" changed with time and by Yalta let alone Potsdam it was clear we were the junior partner.
We were a superpower once we had the Bomb but Suez cruelly exposed our military, diplomatic and political limitations. It was from that humiliation that the Conservatives under Harold Macmillan realised our future lay not with Empire but with Europe and began our (roughly) 60-year political relationship with Europe which was broken by the referendum and has now ended.
It was Conservatives who took is into Europe (without a referendum) and Conservatives who took us out of Europe (via a referendum).
The new globalist mentality is the modern re-incarnation of Liberal Unionism of which of course Churchill was an adherent.
Suez only happened after Indian independence so the original point remains.
We joined the Common Market in 1973 as confirmed by 67% of British voters in the 1975 referendum, we left the EU which 52% of British voters voted to Leave in 2016.
Had it stayed the Common Market we would never have voted to Leave it
By contrast heard my first 3 planes into Newcastle Airport this week. We are on the flightpath for Spain and France. Had no idea what it the heck it was when the first went over on Wednesday. How quickly we forget!
Today saw the first passenger flight from LBA for 3 months. It was featured on the local news.
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
The left has never forgiven Orwell for sussing them out so unanswerably in 'The Lion and the Unicorn' back in 1941:
'England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God save the King” than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible.'
Spot on. Orwell was a noted Tory Party cheerleader and never failed to put in a good word for them.
Edit: Not. In case anyone finds that "difficult to understand".
Doesn't that make his observation about the Left that much more powerful?
Yes. The pacifism of the ex soldier.
But his essence remains Left and there is not a shred of Right.
OK a final bit of culture warring/reasoned analysis
The media are partly culpable for the mess we are in. They are biased and selective. I've no doubt that in the past they were biased to the right, in the main (which is wrong), I've no doubt that they are now biased towards the BLM/left perspective
Take a quick glance and what do you see? Some awful far right driver about to run over innocent protesters: the headline certainly intends you to see that and pushes you in that direction
But look at what actually happened. There is video.
The female driver stopped for the demo, protesters surrounded her, then they began arguing, they reached in and started beating her, grabbed her hair, and then they pulled a gun. Unsurprisingly, the terrified woman drove off in fear of her life, at speed
"Anderson, 21, was identified by video and later arrested later Wednesday morning, according to the report. He admitted to the incident in an interview after waving his Miranda rights and was charged with first-degree rioting, first-degree wanton endangerment, tampering with physical evidence, third-degree criminal mischief, second-degree disorderly conduct and obstructing a highway.
According to the report, after the incident with the driver, Louisville police officers observed Anderson handing off his handgun to Brioanna Richards, who then hid the weapon in a vehicle to "in an attempt to conceal evidence of the crime." Police then located the vehicle, consent searched it and confiscated the handgun"
The irony of ironies is that the poor driver was an African American woman
This is deeply irresponsible journalism by NPR: it serves only to provoke both sides: sympathisers with BLM who will read the incendiary and mendacious headline (far right drivers hitting protesters!!) followed by skeptics who will dig a bit deeper and then be outraged by the pro-BLM media lies.
Who does this actually serve?
It’s interesting to see the press and media reporting of the protests locally. The BLM protests are reported as ‘largely peaceful’ and the only trouble and problems reported coming from the counter protesters who are defined as the far right.
Having seen some of what went on this is not accurate. On both sides there were a handful of people who were seeking violent confrontation. It was not a case of one side turning up to attack another.
Are people,stupid. Do they not have eyes ? They will know the media is lying about stuff to them as it always has.
The anti-racist protests were largely peaceful in a way that the far right ones were not - i.e. in the former it was a small proportion who were looking for trouble but in the latter it was most of them (or certainly a much higher %).
There is not an equivalence. Anti-racist demonstrators are by and large better people than far right racists.
If you doubt this, simply consider who likes to maintain otherwise - Donald Trump.
I can only comment on the evidence of my own eyes compared to how it’s been reported in the local press and media.
Of course the BLM protesters are generally better than the far right. However there is an element within it which is simply seeking a fight.
Anyone know where the Guardian money came from to set up the paper in the first place?
Enterprise!
Horribly misused enterprise in retrospect. We had an Empire once - hard to believe that the rise of the left and the viral-death of the Empire weren't linked.
(Probably not all the Guardian's fault though.)
The 'end of empire' surely was hastened by the expenditure on WWI, which needn't have happened.
I was hoping that facts might not get in the way of my diatribe
I do in fact think that the politics of the left have been the main factor taking us from super-power to super-numerary. I'm probably wrong though. I've been wrong before, back in the eighties...
Macmillan recognised the Winds of Change in 1960. Except India and Burma, almost all of the British Empire gained independence in the relatively short period between 1957 and 1964, or were set on an irreversible course in that direction. There were a few late stragglers, but under the Tories, the Empire ended, mostly fairly peacefully.
It was Attlee who gave up India and Pakistan which lost us our super power status
Do you think he should have kept them? You know, sent the army in?
Churchill did want to keep India and had he remained PM in 1945 it is unlikely it would have gone. Much as Boris of course will refuse to allow indyref2 for a generation.
Ultimately however the decolonisation process meant India would likely have gone but it would have stayed part of the Empire at least another decade or two had the Tories won in 1945
Did you mean to say that out loud, about indyref2?
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
The left has never forgiven Orwell for sussing them out so unanswerably in 'The Lion and the Unicorn' back in 1941:
'England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God save the King” than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible.'
Spot on. Orwell was a noted Tory Party cheerleader and never failed to put in a good word for them.
Would be fascinating to hear ol' George's opinion on the infiltration of the governing party by members of the Revolutionary Communist Party and contributors to Living Marxism.
On today’s much-discussed subject of Ash Sarkar, I have to say I like her. Yes, many of her opinions are barking, but on a personal level she seems a lot of fun.
I reckon of all the people who are mostly famous for being on Twitter she would be the best for a night out.
What a spectacle humanity is making of itself. I wish we could cancel the internet
To be fair, if that Tory bloke did say that about Ash Sarkar then he’s a bellend of the highest order.
He didn't make the death threat, but he did appear to "condone it" by getting involved in the conversation, so he was a damn fool: agreed.
However I loathe this cancel culture. I loathe the relish of the cancellers, who love to tear people down. Look at this tweet from the same Owen Jones. Lusting for blood. Yuk.
I mean, Owen Jones is also a bellend of the highest order.
The story here is loathsome goon encourages death threats against confident young left wing woman - since nothing gets the goat of these people more than uppity dusky maidens with the wrong politics who don't know their place - and this will remain the story despite the usual tediously predictable efforts of racist, hard right culture warriors to turn it into an "Owen Jones is a wanker" narrative.
Do not collaborate, I beseech you.
Death threats are contemptible, but Ash Sarkar is no saint
As whataboutery goes, that is actually disgusting.
Whatever she is, she does not deserve death threats.
And even if for some obscure reason she did, then it is hard to imagine why she should receive them for posting a photo of herself eating a lollipop.
I mean, come on.
In this brave new world, every image can be construed as fascist or stalinist or racist or whatever.
4chan haves turned the OK symbol into a racist thing. I am puzzled as to where this leaves scuba divers - will they have to change the official OK sign?
I wondered this to. The problem is that the "Thumbs up" sign has another meaning when you are under water, saying "I want to head back up to the surface"
Exactly.
I believe the OK = racist thing started as a meme joke. It wasn't true. Then it got adopted by some actual racists. And opponents of racists.
Bit like the deep fried mars bars thing. In Wiltshire, they heard the story. And the local chip shop started deep frying mars bars....
So that must be where the English tourists come from that demand DFMBs in the central Edinburgh chippies, to go with their exotic haggis pudden and chips.
Happened in quite a lot of places, I understand. I was actually in Wiltshire when that happened at the local chip shop.
I still find it hard to believe there is anyone stupid enough to want a DFMB, haggis and chips I can just about manage.
Never had a DFMB but battered pizza is amazing. At least the first half is. By the end you are consumed by self loathing and you start to fall into a carb-induced coma.
What a spectacle humanity is making of itself. I wish we could cancel the internet
To be fair, if that Tory bloke did say that about Ash Sarkar then he’s a bellend of the highest order.
He didn't make the death threat, but he did appear to "condone it" by getting involved in the conversation, so he was a damn fool: agreed.
However I loathe this cancel culture. I loathe the relish of the cancellers, who love to tear people down. Look at this tweet from the same Owen Jones. Lusting for blood. Yuk.
I mean, Owen Jones is also a bellend of the highest order.
The story here is loathsome goon encourages death threats against confident young left wing woman - since nothing gets the goat of these people more than uppity dusky maidens with the wrong politics who don't know their place - and this will remain the story despite the usual tediously predictable efforts of racist, hard right culture warriors to turn it into an "Owen Jones is a wanker" narrative.
Do not collaborate, I beseech you.
Death threats are contemptible, but Ash Sarkar is no saint
As whataboutery goes, that is actually disgusting.
Whatever she is, she does not deserve death threats.
And even if for some obscure reason she did, then it is hard to imagine why she should receive them for posting a photo of herself eating a lollipop.
I mean, come on.
In this brave new world, every image can be construed as fascist or stalinist or racist or whatever.
4chan haves turned the OK symbol into a racist thing. I am puzzled as to where this leaves scuba divers - will they have to change the official OK sign?
I wondered this to. The problem is that the "Thumbs up" sign has another meaning when you are under water, saying "I want to head back up to the surface"
Exactly.
I believe the OK = racist thing started as a meme joke. It wasn't true. Then it got adopted by some actual racists. And opponents of racists.
Bit like the deep fried mars bars thing. In Wiltshire, they heard the story. And the local chip shop started deep frying mars bars....
So that must be where the English tourists come from that demand DFMBs in the central Edinburgh chippies, to go with their exotic haggis pudden and chips.
Happened in quite a lot of places, I understand. I was actually in Wiltshire when that happened at the local chip shop.
I still find it hard to believe there is anyone stupid enough to want a DFMB, haggis and chips I can just about manage.
I always assumed a DFMB was a sort of urban legend. Admittedly I haven't been to Scotland for several years now and the last two occasions were for weddings where one wouldn't expect that sort of thing.
Whisky yes; in considerable quantity, certainly at the first one.
However I didn't see it advertised in the chippy we walked past from my B&B to the second.
Always try and buy a haggis a couple of days before Burns Night, although that's been muted lately as it clashes with Dydd Santes Dwynwen and we can't really enjoy Valentines Night nowadays, as our daughter died on Feb 14th.
I have never seen any place that sells it either and would not buy anything from it if they did.
The chippies in central Edinburgh, e.g in Cowgatehead/Grassmarket, certainly sell DFMBs - but they would catch the pished tourist yoof with the munchies, esp. at Arts Festival time. You know, the ones who come to the city of Hume and Hutton to eat DFMBs.
On battered pizza, I recall the conference I organised in Edinburgh once. Several of the delegates were Italian PhD students. They had gone into one of the chippies above and one of them had spotted a pizza in the warmer cabinet and pointed at it. He was dfumbfounded when the chap whipped it out, folded it in half, dipped it in batter, [edit] deep-fried it and gave it to him with his chips ...
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On today’s much-discussed subject of Ash Sarkar, I have to say I like her. Yes, many of her opinions are barking, but on a personal level she seems a lot of fun.
I reckon of all the people who are mostly famous for being on Twitter she would be the best for a night out.
Her twitter bio once stated she ‘f*cks like a champion’. Now deleted. I wonder if that’s what attracts so many men of a certain age !
OK a final bit of culture warring/reasoned analysis
The media are partly culpable for the mess we are in. They are biased and selective. I've no doubt that in the past they were biased to the right, in the main (which is wrong), I've no doubt that they are now biased towards the BLM/left perspective
Take a quick glance and what do you see? Some awful far right driver about to run over innocent protesters: the headline certainly intends you to see that and pushes you in that direction
But look at what actually happened. There is video.
The female driver stopped for the demo, protesters surrounded her, then they began arguing, they reached in and started beating her, grabbed her hair, and then they pulled a gun. Unsurprisingly, the terrified woman drove off in fear of her life, at speed
"Anderson, 21, was identified by video and later arrested later Wednesday morning, according to the report. He admitted to the incident in an interview after waving his Miranda rights and was charged with first-degree rioting, first-degree wanton endangerment, tampering with physical evidence, third-degree criminal mischief, second-degree disorderly conduct and obstructing a highway.
According to the report, after the incident with the driver, Louisville police officers observed Anderson handing off his handgun to Brioanna Richards, who then hid the weapon in a vehicle to "in an attempt to conceal evidence of the crime." Police then located the vehicle, consent searched it and confiscated the handgun"
The irony of ironies is that the poor driver was an African American woman
This is deeply irresponsible journalism by NPR: it serves only to provoke both sides: sympathisers with BLM who will read the incendiary and mendacious headline (far right drivers hitting protesters!!) followed by skeptics who will dig a bit deeper and then be outraged by the pro-BLM media lies.
Who does this actually serve?
It’s interesting to see the press and media reporting of the protests locally. The BLM protests are reported as ‘largely peaceful’ and the only trouble and problems reported coming from the counter protesters who are defined as the far right.
Having seen some of what went on this is not accurate. On both sides there were a handful of people who were seeking violent confrontation. It was not a case of one side turning up to attack another.
Are people,stupid. Do they not have eyes ? They will know the media is lying about stuff to them as it always has.
The anti-racist protests were largely peaceful in a way that the far right ones were not - i.e. in the former it was a small proportion who were looking for trouble but in the latter it was most of them (or certainly a much higher %).
There is not an equivalence. Anti-racist demonstrators are by and large better people than far right racists.
If you doubt this, simply consider who likes to maintain otherwise - Donald Trump.
I can only comment on the evidence of my own eyes compared to how it’s been reported in the local press and media.
Of course the BLM protesters are generally better than the far right. However there is an element within it which is simply seeking a fight.
Anyone know where the Guardian money came from to set up the paper in the first place?
Enterprise!
Horribly misused enterprise in retrospect. We had an Empire once - hard to believe that the rise of the left and the viral-death of the Empire weren't linked.
(Probably not all the Guardian's fault though.)
The 'end of empire' surely was hastened by the expenditure on WWI, which needn't have happened.
I was hoping that facts might not get in the way of my diatribe
I do in fact think that the politics of the left have been the main factor taking us from super-power to super-numerary. I'm probably wrong though. I've been wrong before, back in the eighties...
Macmillan recognised the Winds of Change in 1960. Except India and Burma, almost all of the British Empire gained independence in the relatively short period between 1957 and 1964, or were set on an irreversible course in that direction. There were a few late stragglers, but under the Tories, the Empire ended, mostly fairly peacefully.
It was Attlee who gave up India and Pakistan which lost us our super power status
Do you think he should have kept them? You know, sent the army in?
Churchill did want to keep India and had he remained PM in 1945 it is unlikely it would have gone. Much as Boris of course will refuse to allow indyref2 for a generation.
Ultimately however the decolonisation process meant India would likely have gone but it would have stayed part of the Empire at least another decade or two had the Tories won in 1945
Yopu seriously think the Brits could have held onto India, after their utter incompetence had been shown in Honkers, Malaya, Singapore, and Burma?! They had lost all credibility - and to that add a famine. Regaining SWA was only done with the implicit agreement of the Indians that independence would soon follow.
Edit: there were some very fine fighters in the British armed services - one thinks of Imphal and Kohima in particular. But the whole rationale of Empire was smashed.
Of course, India remained British throughout WW2 and with India Britain remained one of the 3 global superpowers alongside the USA and USSR
On today’s much-discussed subject of Ash Sarkar, I have to say I like her. Yes, many of her opinions are barking, but on a personal level she seems a lot of fun.
I reckon of all the people who are mostly famous for being on Twitter she would be the best for a night out.
Her twitter bio once stated she ‘f*cks like a champion’. Now deleted. I wonder if that’s what attracts so many men of a certain age !
Ha that's not what I meant. Thanks, I feel like a dirty old man now.
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
The left has never forgiven Orwell for sussing them out so unanswerably in 'The Lion and the Unicorn' back in 1941:
'England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God save the King” than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible.'
You need to be changing your handle. After yesterday's "tee shirt" exchange it is clear you are less a Con partisan than a hard right ideologue. Which is fine - but I think we do still have a Trade Descriptions Act.
Do bugger off. Just because I don't absolve the communists of their 100 million+ fatalities as easily as you do doesn't make me 'hard' anything. It does make you hard of thinking, however.
I see you.
You go ahead and do that - I'm a straight down the line Tory voter (plus the Lib Dems once, tactically!), so knock yourself out. Then again you do think that proudly describing yourself as a 'Hard Left Social Democrat' is somehow admirable, so your feel for political labels may be a little off.
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
80 seat majority and been in power for 10 years and 28 of the last 41. Yet the country is going to the dogs under the jackboot heel of the opposition.
The Tories are the most popular party and control the government, the Left controls the culture, which they wield like a rapier to set the permitted bounds of speech and debate. This really isn't difficult to understand.
Your first statement is incontrovertible...for the moment. The culture claim is straight out of the Trump playbook. It is also wrong.
How do you explain the BBC editing Boris gaffes before the last election to make him look better. The Cenotaph, for example. Why do so many former journalists from the BBC etc. become Conservative candidates. Why are former Conservative MPs presenting TV shows (Portillo) and editing newspapers (Osborn). How many left wing daily newspapers do we have presently? I could go on but I can't be arsed.
More cut n paste nonsense with no context or any comment of any worth.
This site really does need an ignore function.
Germany reported 130 new cases today and 1 death. This is low as it is the weekend And there are the same lag issues that we have but the long term trend is clear. The new cases reported are still very low. There is still time to act to get it down.
It's bollocks. Germany has a very small number of cases so the R0 is largely irrelevant at the moment. It's like saying a village has a 100% annual population growth rate when its single inhabitant gets married
Nicola Sturgeon has retweeted this silliness. An uncharacteristic error
The Worldometer figures for Germany suggests that there has been a bit up an uptick in cases recently.
It's bollocks. Germany has a very small number of cases so the R0 is largely irrelevant at the moment. It's like saying a village has a 100% annual population growth rate when its single inhabitant gets married
Nicola Sturgeon has retweeted this silliness. An uncharacteristic error
The Worldometer figures for Germany suggests that there has been a bit up an uptick in cases recently.
One of the greatest rock songs of all time, and desparately crying out for someone to do a modern remake. It was written by Joel in 1989 when he was 40, summarising the world events of his life to that point. Also, one of the best Wikipedia pages for any song, with references to each event referenced in the lyrics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Didn't_Start_the_Fire
On today’s much-discussed subject of Ash Sarkar, I have to say I like her. Yes, many of her opinions are barking, but on a personal level she seems a lot of fun.
I reckon of all the people who are mostly famous for being on Twitter she would be the best for a night out.
Her twitter bio once stated she ‘f*cks like a champion’. Now deleted. I wonder if that’s what attracts so many men of a certain age !
On today’s much-discussed subject of Ash Sarkar, I have to say I like her. Yes, many of her opinions are barking, but on a personal level she seems a lot of fun.
I reckon of all the people who are mostly famous for being on Twitter she would be the best for a night out.
Her twitter bio once stated she ‘f*cks like a champion’. Now deleted. I wonder if that’s what attracts so many men of a certain age !
She is unquestionably hot.
There is always something satisfying about bedding a stridently left wing girl. They often turn out to be the most submissive.
I love this site. You won't get stuff like this anywhere else.
It's bollocks. Germany has a very small number of cases so the R0 is largely irrelevant at the moment. It's like saying a village has a 100% annual population growth rate when its single inhabitant gets married
Nicola Sturgeon has retweeted this silliness. An uncharacteristic error
The Worldometer figures for Germany suggests that there has been a bit up an uptick in cases recently.
It's bollocks. Germany has a very small number of cases so the R0 is largely irrelevant at the moment. It's like saying a village has a 100% annual population growth rate when its single inhabitant gets married
Nicola Sturgeon has retweeted this silliness. An uncharacteristic error
Still shows it is far from over and unlike Germany we have shit trace and contact system in place. When it spikes here they will be gobsmacked and have no clue what to do.
I'm interested in where the Times/ST is going, they seem to have become very anti-Johnson and wonder if they will attempt to shack up with Labour going forward
I'm interested in where the Times/ST is going, they seem to have become very anti-Johnson and wonder if they will attempt to shack up with Labour going forward
They seem very much to be pitching towards younger, more left wing, readership.
This is probably not a bad thing as the print media is generally quite right wing.
The discussion of Orwell tonight illustrates the limitations of talking about "the Left" and "the Right".
"One does not decide the truth of a thought according to whether it is right-wing or left-wing." - Albert Camus in a letter to Jean-Paul Sartre, 30 June 1952.
It's bollocks. Germany has a very small number of cases so the R0 is largely irrelevant at the moment. It's like saying a village has a 100% annual population growth rate when its single inhabitant gets married
Nicola Sturgeon has retweeted this silliness. An uncharacteristic error
The Worldometer figures for Germany suggests that there has been a bit up an uptick in cases recently.
On today’s much-discussed subject of Ash Sarkar, I have to say I like her. Yes, many of her opinions are barking, but on a personal level she seems a lot of fun.
I reckon of all the people who are mostly famous for being on Twitter she would be the best for a night out.
Her twitter bio once stated she ‘f*cks like a champion’. Now deleted. I wonder if that’s what attracts so many men of a certain age !
She is unquestionably hot.
There is always something satisfying about bedding a stridently left wing girl. They often turn out to be the most submissive.
I love this site. You won't get stuff like this anywhere else.
It's also absolutely true. I've encountered it too often in my life, and heard it from too many friends, to regard it as coincidence.
I can't work out which causes which, however.
Is it because these women are so shouty, forceful and determined in real life that they yearn to be tied up, spanked and generally bossed around between the sheets?
Or is it because they are so ashamed of their innate sexual submissiveness that they become hardened feminists fighting for equality in daily life?
There is a similar phenomenon in men, of course. Often very powerful men harbour a secret desire to be dominated, to let go of that power and be told what to do by a tall, severe lady in shiny black boots and a leather bra.
On today’s much-discussed subject of Ash Sarkar, I have to say I like her. Yes, many of her opinions are barking, but on a personal level she seems a lot of fun.
I reckon of all the people who are mostly famous for being on Twitter she would be the best for a night out.
Her twitter bio once stated she ‘f*cks like a champion’. Now deleted. I wonder if that’s what attracts so many men of a certain age !
She is unquestionably hot.
There is always something satisfying about bedding a stridently left wing girl. They often turn out to be the most submissive.
I love this site. You won't get stuff like this anywhere else.
It's also absolutely true. I've encountered it too often in my life, and heard it from too many friends, to regard it as coincidence.
Very sad, it appears he’s much more seriously injured than was first thought. Someone who’s been through more than enough in their life already, yet somehow has always managed to emerge stronger. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DAXBOcv6AS4
One of the greatest rock songs of all time, and desparately crying out for someone to do a modern remake. It was written by Joel in 1989 when he was 40, summarising the world events of his life to that point. Also, one of the best Wikipedia pages for any song, with references to each event referenced in the lyrics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Didn't_Start_the_Fire
They could do worse than teaching the reference of every line to pupils today. All the great themes of the later 20th century are in there: the Cold War, de-colonization, Vietnam, the Civil Rights movement, pop culture, the consumer revolution. (Curious though that Joel himself doesn't appear to rate it.)
On today’s much-discussed subject of Ash Sarkar, I have to say I like her. Yes, many of her opinions are barking, but on a personal level she seems a lot of fun.
I reckon of all the people who are mostly famous for being on Twitter she would be the best for a night out.
Her twitter bio once stated she ‘f*cks like a champion’. Now deleted. I wonder if that’s what attracts so many men of a certain age !
She is unquestionably hot.
There is always something satisfying about bedding a stridently left wing girl. They often turn out to be the most submissive.
I love this site. You won't get stuff like this anywhere else.
It's also absolutely true. I've encountered it too often in my life, and heard it from too many friends, to regard it as coincidence.
I can't work out which causes which, however.
Is it because these women are so shouty, forceful and determined in real life that they yearn to be tied up, spanked and generally bossed around between the sheets?
Or is it because they are so ashamed of their innate sexual submissiveness that they become hardened feminists fighting for equality in daily life?
There is a similar phenomenon in men, of course. Often very powerful men harbour a secret desire to be dominated, to let go of that power and be told what to do by a tall, severe lady in shiny black boots and a leather bra.
*stares at several Tory ex chancellors*
I'll take your word for it. I don't have a sufficiently large sample size from which to draw statistically significant inference. Your last paragraph sounded heartfelt.
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
One of my all-time unfaves -
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
The left has never forgiven Orwell for sussing them out so unanswerably in 'The Lion and the Unicorn' back in 1941:
'England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God save the King” than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible.'
Spot on. Orwell was a noted Tory Party cheerleader and never failed to put in a good word for them.
Would be fascinating to hear ol' George's opinion on the infiltration of the governing party by members of the Revolutionary Communist Party and contributors to Living Marxism.
You missed out IRA supporting
Though I've read his collected essays I can't remember offhand G.O.'s position on the Balkans, or even if he had one. Nevertheless not in favour of a massacre of 8000 unarmed men and boys or its apologists I'd imagine.
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And I made the effort to put it in italics too.
An utter car crash.
https://fr24.com/GLF6/24c026de
https://twitter.com/redhistorian/status/1274715532571312128?s=20
It's getting to the stage that when anyone starts whining about something being Orwellian, you automatically discount them as a diddy incapable of original thought*.
*That describes wee Ben 'Spycatcher' Bradley in any case, so no effort needed there.
Ultimately however the decolonisation process meant India would likely have gone but it would have stayed part of the Empire at least another decade or two had the Tories won in 1945
How quickly we forget!
Edit: there were some very fine fighters in the British armed services - one thinks of Imphal and Kohima in particular. But the whole rationale of Empire was smashed.
1984 was a warning not an instruction manual.
You just know to bail out when that one appears.
Yet the country is going to the dogs under the jackboot heel of the opposition.
'England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during “God save the King” than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. It is questionable how much effect this had, but it certainly had some. If the English people suffered for several years a real weakening of morale, so that the Fascist nations judged that they were ‘decadent’ and that it was safe to plunge into war, the intellectual sabotage from the Left was partly responsible.'
Positively Orwellian!
https://twitter.com/JS_Spotting/status/1274765414611013632
Highest form of wit when done right.
by using the epithet 'Zamyatinian', which is not inappropriate since Zamyatin was a classic pioneer in the dystopian genre.
https://twitter.com/fionanicmee/status/1274761865474772993
Britain's role in the "allied alliance" changed with time and by Yalta let alone Potsdam it was clear we were the junior partner.
We were a superpower once we had the Bomb but Suez cruelly exposed our military, diplomatic and political limitations. It was from that humiliation that the Conservatives under Harold Macmillan realised our future lay not with Empire but with Europe and began our (roughly) 60-year political relationship with Europe which was broken by the referendum and has now ended.
It was Conservatives who took is into Europe (without a referendum) and Conservatives who took us out of Europe (via a referendum).
The new globalist mentality is the modern re-incarnation of Liberal Unionism of which of course Churchill was an adherent.
We joined the Common Market in 1973 as confirmed by 67% of British voters in the 1975 referendum, we left the EU which 52% of British voters voted to Leave in 2016.
Had it stayed the Common Market we would never have voted to Leave it
The lack of aircraft noise has been lovely.
But his essence remains Left and there is not a shred of Right.
Of course the BLM protesters are generally better than the far right. However there is an element within it which is simply seeking a fight.
Dr. Michael Osterholm, a prominent U.S. epidemiologist, said, “I don’t think we’re going to see one, two and three waves — I think we’re just going to see one very, very difficult forest fire of cases.”
NYTimes
[Hates self for obsessive pedantry]
I agree with your last para.
I got the biggest correct but don't know this one.
(No cheating!)
How do you explain the BBC editing Boris gaffes before the last election to make him look better. The Cenotaph, for example. Why do so many former journalists from the BBC etc. become Conservative candidates. Why are former Conservative MPs presenting TV shows (Portillo) and editing newspapers (Osborn). How many left wing daily newspapers do we have presently? I could go on but I can't be arsed.
This site really does need an ignore function.
Germany reported 130 new cases today and 1 death. This is low as it is the weekend And there are the same lag issues that we have but the long term trend is clear. The new cases reported are still very low. There is still time to act to get it down.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
It was written by Joel in 1989 when he was 40, summarising the world events of his life to that point.
Also, one of the best Wikipedia pages for any song, with references to each event referenced in the lyrics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Didn't_Start_the_Fire
Sorry - just realised that "I see you" of mine was not nice and could be misinterpreted.
Didn't mean it that way.
I just mean that I SEE you. I get you better now. All good.
Kensington and Chelsea.
This is probably not a bad thing as the print media is generally quite right wing.
- Albert Camus in a letter to Jean-Paul Sartre, 30 June 1952.
That would be really interesting to know. Do we have any German dwellers on PB who can let us know a.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DAXBOcv6AS4
Scottish Independence
Racism
The sex appeal of Ash Sakar