If on the occasions he's appeared in public recently he'd been wearing a mask, and advocated for others to do the same, I might take that more seriously.
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
I have no idea. Hopefully any crimes committed on this march will be harshly punished by the law, just as those committed by your fellow travellers should have been.
Unlike you, I don't attempt to minimize or excuse obvious criminal behaviour by protesters. If they break the law, then they should have the book thrown at them.
Oh but you do. You very much do. You have tried to excuse the actions of the right as being because, and I quote, “The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like...” so, risibly, you blame right wing violence against the police on left wing violence. That’s an excuse. A pretty pathetic “they started it” excuse at that.
Also, you say, “any crimes” as opposed to “the crimes” below a video of someone kicking a policeman, suggesting there is doubt. That’s an attempt at minimisation or, indeed, denial.
If you look at the photos of the far right protests in the press you see things you don;t normally see at far right protests.
Yes there are the usual loudmouth shaven headed tattooed idiots, but there are also decorated veterans and green berets that look like they might be Royal Marines....???
That is because there are a number of separate protests going on at the same time. The veterans had organised a march and protest which was supposed to go to the Cenotaph. When they got there the police then moved them on down to Parliament Square. As always (and just as with the BLM marches) it is not possible to consider them as single events and claim everyone has the same aims or acts in the same way.
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
I have no idea. Hopefully any crimes committed on this march will be harshly punished by the law, just as those committed by your fellow travellers should have been.
Unlike you, I don't attempt to minimize or excuse obvious criminal behaviour by protesters. If they break the law, then they should have the book thrown at them.
The difference is that those opposed to racism have more right on their side than this lot - and that's something you never seem to acknowledge.
I have kept away from PB today following an early morning 'lurk' only to see the usual anti Boris mantra from the daily sources and the sheer frustration that for all the 24/7 attacks on him, and HMG, none of it matters as Boris is there for 4 years, unless ill health intervenes or of course his party decide to change leaders, (which of course they are good at)
I have no doubt the polls will see crossover but even that will have no effect
As TM famously said
'Nothing has changed' (other than no transition now)
Death rate in England 3.5x higher in last week than Scot. Scottish Government decision to take a cautious approach for last month has clearly now been vindicated.
Surely completely the reverse Malcolm. What it shows is that contrary to Nicola's claims the R rate in Scotland was much lower than in England and we should have been opening up much faster. These figures make the Scottish government's position on schools and shops look even more absurd than it will on Monday.
David , pointless opening schools now , holidays are in 2 weeks. They should be thinking how to get economy going , hear lots of people getting told jobs are gone. Neighbour volunteered to go , his lot were doing 350 and younger fellow other side , GE are looking at 400 at airport. Surely be a lot not going back to work.
Scottish schools should have been open a fortnight ago. Scottish shops, pubs, restaurants etc should be opened now. Every day we wait after Monday more Scottish businesses will fail and more Scottish jobs will be lost. The message "Stay at home" is exactly the wrong message now. It should be get out there and spend! Her excessive caution arising from a bureaucratic mindset is going to cost Scotland very dear.
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
I have no idea. Hopefully any crimes committed on this march will be harshly punished by the law, just as those committed by your fellow travellers should have been.
Shameful that I should be a fellow traveller with people who think black people should be treated as well as white people are in this country. Shameful that I should be a fellow traveller with such people. I’m sure you’re proud to be associated with these people who are bravely attacking cops...for a reason you can’t even articulate.
Do you have some sort of memory issue? Over 60 police officers have been injured in clashes with your leftwing protesters, remember? The same protesters who have illegally destroyed one monument and defaced others up and down the country? The difference between us is that I want all criminal behaviour to be punished, whereas you seek to excuse and minimize it when you approve of the political motive behind it.
You live in some fantasy world of moral purity no matter what the facts are. The police officer who was knocked off her horse is still in hospital - why don't you ask her if the people who put her there have something to be ashamed of?
Death rate in England 3.5x higher in last week than Scot. Scottish Government decision to take a cautious approach for last month has clearly now been vindicated.
Surely completely the reverse Malcolm. What it shows is that contrary to Nicola's claims the R rate in Scotland was much lower than in England and we should have been opening up much faster. These figures make the Scottish government's position on schools and shops look even more absurd than it will on Monday.
David , pointless opening schools now , holidays are in 2 weeks. They should be thinking how to get economy going , hear lots of people getting told jobs are gone. Neighbour volunteered to go , his lot were doing 350 and younger fellow other side , GE are looking at 400 at airport. Surely be a lot not going back to work.
We face an economic catastrophe. Bleak times. Social unrest is coming I fear.
Was shutting down the entire economy rather than just isolating the vulnerable the worst peace time policy decision in a very very long time?
Death rate in England 3.5x higher in last week than Scot. Scottish Government decision to take a cautious approach for last month has clearly now been vindicated.
Surely completely the reverse Malcolm. What it shows is that contrary to Nicola's claims the R rate in Scotland was much lower than in England and we should have been opening up much faster. These figures make the Scottish government's position on schools and shops look even more absurd than it will on Monday.
David , pointless opening schools now , holidays are in 2 weeks. They should be thinking how to get economy going , hear lots of people getting told jobs are gone. Neighbour volunteered to go , his lot were doing 350 and younger fellow other side , GE are looking at 400 at airport. Surely be a lot not going back to work.
Scottish schools should have been open a fortnight ago. Scottish shops, pubs, restaurants etc should be opened now. Every day we wait after Monday more Scottish businesses will fail and more Scottish jobs will be lost. The message "Stay at home" is exactly the wrong message now. It should be get out there and spend! Her excessive caution arising from a bureaucratic mindset is going to cost Scotland very dear.
You were saying that when we supposedly had R above unity. Doing that would have been a disaster.
If you look at the photos of the far right protests in the press you see things you don;t normally see at far right protests.
Yes there are the usual loudmouth shaven headed tattooed idiots, but there are also decorated veterans and green berets that look like they might be Royal Marines....???
That is because there are a number of separate protests going on at the same time. The veterans had organised a march and protest which was supposed to go to the Cenotaph. When they got there the police then moved them on down to Parliament Square. As always (and just as with the BLM marches) it is not possible to consider them as single events and claim everyone has the same aims or acts in the same way.
Artificial Intelligence lives matter? Now that is taking the piss
Not if you are a fan of Iain M. Banks's novels, where it often features as the central theme. As in The Algebraist.
I think my favourite is probably Excession although both Use of Weapons and Player of Games are outstanding. I love his sci-fi. I find his Iain Banks books a bit patchier but The Crow Road and The Business were good.
Apparently Channel 4 showed the 1966 World Cup Final recently and it is still available to stream (but doesn't seem available to download) via All 4.
A friend has asked me for technical advice. She'd like to show this on Father's Day at a Care Home she works at. It will be much appreciated by the men there I think and she's trying to make it as special a Father's Day as she can considering visitors still aren't permitted. The TV they have isn't a smart TV and there's no WiFi signal at that part of the Home. Normally when they play videos that have been downloaded it's via putting a video onto a USB stick then plugging that USB stick into the TV.
Is there any way to make this work? If anyone has any ideas to help I'd much appreciate it if anyone could please message me with ideas that could work as I'm stumped.
Apologies if this is an inappropriate question to put here but there's many smart people here and I'm hoping someone has a solution I haven't thought through.
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
I have no idea. Hopefully any crimes committed on this march will be harshly punished by the law, just as those committed by your fellow travellers should have been.
Shameful that I should be a fellow traveller with people who think black people should be treated as well as white people are in this country. Shameful that I should be a fellow traveller with such people. I’m sure you’re proud to be associated with these people who are bravely attacking cops...for a reason you can’t even articulate.
Do you have some sort of memory issue? Over 60 police officers have been injured in clashes with your leftwing protesters, remember? The same protesters who have illegally destroyed one monument and defaced others up and down the country? The difference between us is that I want all criminal behaviour to be punished, whereas you seek to excuse and minimize it when you approve of the political motive behind it.
You live in some fantasy world of moral purity no matter what the facts are. The police officer who was knocked off her horse is still in hospital - why don't you ask her if the people who put her there have something to be ashamed of?
No. On the one hand you say you are even handed but on the other you excuse the crimes of right wing protesters as being in some way provoked. You are not even handed. Not at all. Right wing violence is, according to your own posts, excusable thus - “The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like...”. You posted that less than an hour ago.
Apparently Channel 4 showed the 1966 World Cup Final recently and it is still available to stream (but doesn't seem available to download) via All 4.
A friend has asked me for technical advice. She'd like to show this on Father's Day at a Care Home she works at. It will be much appreciated by the men there I think and she's trying to make it as special a Father's Day as she can considering visitors still aren't permitted. The TV they have isn't a smart TV and there's no WiFi signal at that part of the Home. Normally when they play videos that have been downloaded it's via putting a video onto a USB stick then plugging that USB stick into the TV.
Is there any way to make this work? If anyone has any ideas to help I'd much appreciate it if anyone could please message me with ideas that could work as I'm stumped.
Apologies if this is an inappropriate question to put here but there's many smart people here and I'm hoping someone has a solution I haven't thought through.
If you look at the photos of the far right protests in the press you see things you don;t normally see at far right protests.
Yes there are the usual loudmouth shaven headed tattooed idiots, but there are also decorated veterans and green berets that look like they might be Royal Marines....???
That is because there are a number of separate protests going on at the same time. The veterans had organised a march and protest which was supposed to go to the Cenotaph. When they got there the police then moved them on down to Parliament Square. As always (and just as with the BLM marches) it is not possible to consider them as single events and claim everyone has the same aims or acts in the same way.
Artificial Intelligence lives matter? Now that is taking the piss
Not if you are a fan of Iain M. Banks's novels, where it often features as the central theme. As in The Algebraist.
I think my favourite is probably Excession although both Use of Weapons and Player of Games are outstanding. I love his sci-fi. I find his Iain Banks books a bit patchier but The Crow Road and The Business were good.
Nice to hear your opinions. I did like the Bridge though.
Have a good weekend anyway if it's not too dreich - off now for some hobby stuff and dinner.
A story I hadn't read previously, and more proof of the very different attitudes to race in British and American societies - something which persists to this day. Thanks for posting.
I went looking because my Mum yesterday was telling me about life in London in later WW2. She said that when large numbers of US troops started arriving the British government were handing out leaflets to the US troops with guidance on the way things are done in Britain. These included a comment along the lines of 'We are not racists. A black man has as much right to drink in a British Pub as a white man'.
I am sure that was not the wording or even close. But that was the basic message being given.
My great Aunt was reminiscing about Manchester in WW2 last Christmas. Apparently the locals found the racism of US troops stationed in the area shocking. Black GIs being made to walk in the gutter next to the pavement etc.
One story involved a bust-up between Black and White yanks over a British girl at a dance-hall. Apparently the girl was having none of it, and went for the Black gentleman in question.
Apparently Channel 4 showed the 1966 World Cup Final recently and it is still available to stream (but doesn't seem available to download) via All 4.
A friend has asked me for technical advice. She'd like to show this on Father's Day at a Care Home she works at. It will be much appreciated by the men there I think and she's trying to make it as special a Father's Day as she can considering visitors still aren't permitted. The TV they have isn't a smart TV and there's no WiFi signal at that part of the Home. Normally when they play videos that have been downloaded it's via putting a video onto a USB stick then plugging that USB stick into the TV.
Is there any way to make this work? If anyone has any ideas to help I'd much appreciate it if anyone could please message me with ideas that could work as I'm stumped.
Apologies if this is an inappropriate question to put here but there's many smart people here and I'm hoping someone has a solution I haven't thought through.
Set up a TP link to a connected laptop? Not very expensive or difficult.
Death rate in England 3.5x higher in last week than Scot. Scottish Government decision to take a cautious approach for last month has clearly now been vindicated.
Surely completely the reverse Malcolm. What it shows is that contrary to Nicola's claims the R rate in Scotland was much lower than in England and we should have been opening up much faster. These figures make the Scottish government's position on schools and shops look even more absurd than it will on Monday.
David , pointless opening schools now , holidays are in 2 weeks. They should be thinking how to get economy going , hear lots of people getting told jobs are gone. Neighbour volunteered to go , his lot were doing 350 and younger fellow other side , GE are looking at 400 at airport. Surely be a lot not going back to work.
Scottish schools should have been open a fortnight ago. Scottish shops, pubs, restaurants etc should be opened now. Every day we wait after Monday more Scottish businesses will fail and more Scottish jobs will be lost. The message "Stay at home" is exactly the wrong message now. It should be get out there and spend! Her excessive caution arising from a bureaucratic mindset is going to cost Scotland very dear.
You were saying that when we supposedly had R above unity. Doing that would have been a disaster.
Given the recent numbers it very clearly wasn't. I appreciate we are looking in a 2 week backward facing mirror but she has misjudged this and aggravated a very bad situation as a result of her caution.
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
I have no idea. Hopefully any crimes committed on this march will be harshly punished by the law, just as those committed by your fellow travellers should have been.
Unlike you, I don't attempt to minimize or excuse obvious criminal behaviour by protesters. If they break the law, then they should have the book thrown at them.
The difference is that those opposed to racism have more right on their side than this lot - and that's something you never seem to acknowledge.
This 'lot' are just nasty English Nationalists and hard right
They should be called out by every decent member or supporter of the consrvative party
Apparently Channel 4 showed the 1966 World Cup Final recently and it is still available to stream (but doesn't seem available to download) via All 4.
A friend has asked me for technical advice. She'd like to show this on Father's Day at a Care Home she works at. It will be much appreciated by the men there I think and she's trying to make it as special a Father's Day as she can considering visitors still aren't permitted. The TV they have isn't a smart TV and there's no WiFi signal at that part of the Home. Normally when they play videos that have been downloaded it's via putting a video onto a USB stick then plugging that USB stick into the TV.
Is there any way to make this work? If anyone has any ideas to help I'd much appreciate it if anyone could please message me with ideas that could work as I'm stumped.
Apologies if this is an inappropriate question to put here but there's many smart people here and I'm hoping someone has a solution I haven't thought through.
A laptop and an appropriate connector to display the laptop screen on the TV?
If you look at the photos of the far right protests in the press you see things you don;t normally see at far right protests.
Yes there are the usual loudmouth shaven headed tattooed idiots, but there are also decorated veterans and green berets that look like they might be Royal Marines....???
That is because there are a number of separate protests going on at the same time. The veterans had organised a march and protest which was supposed to go to the Cenotaph. When they got there the police then moved them on down to Parliament Square. As always (and just as with the BLM marches) it is not possible to consider them as single events and claim everyone has the same aims or acts in the same way.
Artificial Intelligence lives matter? Now that is taking the piss
Not if you are a fan of Iain M. Banks's novels, where it often features as the central theme. As in The Algebraist.
I think my favourite is probably Excession although both Use of Weapons and Player of Games are outstanding. I love his sci-fi. I find his Iain Banks books a bit patchier but The Crow Road and The Business were good.
Nice to hear your opinions. I did like the Bridge though.
Have a good weekend anyway if it's not too dreich - off now for some hobby stuff and dinner.
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
I have no idea. Hopefully any crimes committed on this march will be harshly punished by the law, just as those committed by your fellow travellers should have been.
Unlike you, I don't attempt to minimize or excuse obvious criminal behaviour by protesters. If they break the law, then they should have the book thrown at them.
The difference is that those opposed to racism have more right on their side than this lot - and that's something you never seem to acknowledge.
Is that how you justified voting for a racist party last year?
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
I have no idea. Hopefully any crimes committed on this march will be harshly punished by the law, just as those committed by your fellow travellers should have been.
Unlike you, I don't attempt to minimize or excuse obvious criminal behaviour by protesters. If they break the law, then they should have the book thrown at them.
Oh but you do. You very much do. You have tried to excuse the actions of the right as being because, and I quote, “The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like...” so, risibly, you blame right wing violence against the police on left wing violence. That’s an excuse. A pretty pathetic “they started it” excuse at that.
Also, you say, “any crimes” as opposed to “the crimes” below a video of someone kicking a policeman, suggesting there is doubt. That’s an attempt at minimisation or, indeed, denial.
It's hardly any more pathetic than your excuse that the illegal destruction of a statue is not a crime because the statue hurt the protesters' feelings and it was no big deal anyway.
Do you still maintain that ridiculous excuse?
You also sought to minimize the official figure of 62 officers injured by leftwing protesters, remember?
Do you still deny the official figures?
You also don't seem to understand basic English. For the avoidance of doubt, 'any crimes' means 'any and all', i.e. 100% of the crimes committed should be punished. I don't know how much more simply I can put it so that you don't deliberately fail to understand.
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
I have no idea. Hopefully any crimes committed on this march will be harshly punished by the law, just as those committed by your fellow travellers should have been.
Unlike you, I don't attempt to minimize or excuse obvious criminal behaviour by protesters. If they break the law, then they should have the book thrown at them.
Oh but you do. You very much do. You have tried to excuse the actions of the right as being because, and I quote, “The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like...” so, risibly, you blame right wing violence against the police on left wing violence. That’s an excuse. A pretty pathetic “they started it” excuse at that.
Also, you say, “any crimes” as opposed to “the crimes” below a video of someone kicking a policeman, suggesting there is doubt. That’s an attempt at minimisation or, indeed, denial.
It's hardly any more pathetic than your excuse that the illegal destruction of a statue is not a crime because the statue hurt the protesters' feelings and it was no big deal anyway.
Do you still maintain that ridiculous excuse?
You also sought to minimize the official figure of 62 officers injured by leftwing protesters, remember?
Do you still deny the official figures?
You also don't seem to understand basic English. For the avoidance of doubt, 'any crimes' means 'any and all', i.e. 100% of the crimes committed should be punished. I don't know how much more simply I can put it so that you don't deliberately fail to understand.
It turns out Sadiq Khan was absolutely right to board up the Churchill statue and others. A smart move that ensured they were protected from the actions of pissed-up, drugged-up, far-right thugs.
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
Strange that I don't recall you making this running commentary whilst Antifa thugs were injuring 60 police officers and committing criminal damage last week in a 'largely peaceful' demonstration.
These thugs attacking police is sickening and they should be hunted down and prosecuted. But your hypocrisy is pretty sickening as well.
No kidding. DougSeal is pretty blind to his colossal hypocrisy.
Death rate in England 3.5x higher in last week than Scot. Scottish Government decision to take a cautious approach for last month has clearly now been vindicated.
Surely completely the reverse Malcolm. What it shows is that contrary to Nicola's claims the R rate in Scotland was much lower than in England and we should have been opening up much faster. These figures make the Scottish government's position on schools and shops look even more absurd than it will on Monday.
David , pointless opening schools now , holidays are in 2 weeks. They should be thinking how to get economy going , hear lots of people getting told jobs are gone. Neighbour volunteered to go , his lot were doing 350 and younger fellow other side , GE are looking at 400 at airport. Surely be a lot not going back to work.
We face an economic catastrophe. Bleak times. Social unrest is coming I fear.
Was shutting down the entire economy rather than just isolating the vulnerable the worst peace time policy decision in a very very long time?
No. We faced a calamity with the NHS completely swamped and mass unnecessary deaths as in northern Italy. Had we not had a lockdown that would have happened in multiple parts of the UK but London in particular. At the time there was no choice but we need out of here as soon as those safeguards are in place.
It turns out Sadiq Khan was absolutely right to board up the Churchill statue and others. A smart move that ensured they were protected from the actions of pissed-up, drugged-up, far-right thugs.
You may want to qualify that as Sky have just reported that genuine elements stood on guard at Churchill's statue including ex military who do not accept Churchill's statue should be a target
It turns out Sadiq Khan was absolutely right to board up the Churchill statue and others. A smart move that ensured they were protected from the actions of pissed-up, drugged-up, far-right thugs.
Some of them might have wanted to shag it, or at least sit on his face.
Apparently Channel 4 showed the 1966 World Cup Final recently and it is still available to stream (but doesn't seem available to download) via All 4.
A friend has asked me for technical advice. She'd like to show this on Father's Day at a Care Home she works at. It will be much appreciated by the men there I think and she's trying to make it as special a Father's Day as she can considering visitors still aren't permitted. The TV they have isn't a smart TV and there's no WiFi signal at that part of the Home. Normally when they play videos that have been downloaded it's via putting a video onto a USB stick then plugging that USB stick into the TV.
Is there any way to make this work? If anyone has any ideas to help I'd much appreciate it if anyone could please message me with ideas that could work as I'm stumped.
Apologies if this is an inappropriate question to put here but there's many smart people here and I'm hoping someone has a solution I haven't thought through.
Set up a TP link to a connected laptop? Not very expensive or difficult.
It is on Youtube in full, so you could cast to a TV stick from a PC. Not sure about the quality.
If you look at the photos of the far right protests in the press you see things you don;t normally see at far right protests.
Yes there are the usual loudmouth shaven headed tattooed idiots, but there are also decorated veterans and green berets that look like they might be Royal Marines....???
It was quite amusing on the afternoon news.
The newscaster gave an apocalyptic intro and handed over to the lady at the Cenotaph
“We don’t know what’s going on. It’s all peaceful here, there are just some veterans around who say they want to protect the Cenotaph”
Death rate in England 3.5x higher in last week than Scot. Scottish Government decision to take a cautious approach for last month has clearly now been vindicated.
Surely completely the reverse Malcolm. What it shows is that contrary to Nicola's claims the R rate in Scotland was much lower than in England and we should have been opening up much faster. These figures make the Scottish government's position on schools and shops look even more absurd than it will on Monday.
You may recall how very recently the PBTories were proclaiming that R was above unity in Scotland. It's only very recently that this low figure has appeared - in the last day or two. I would argue on the contrary that it's well worth lovking down a bit longer to suppress the virus completely in many areas - and close the borders to all but essential travel. What is being done down south is simply to allow the virus to flare up again with appalling consequences.
Unfortunately, we’re back to business as usual. The truce is over. All Covid19 “suggestions”, “advice” etc must be seen in that context.
Death rate in England 3.5x higher in last week than Scot. Scottish Government decision to take a cautious approach for last month has clearly now been vindicated.
Surely completely the reverse Malcolm. What it shows is that contrary to Nicola's claims the R rate in Scotland was much lower than in England and we should have been opening up much faster. These figures make the Scottish government's position on schools and shops look even more absurd than it will on Monday.
David , pointless opening schools now , holidays are in 2 weeks. They should be thinking how to get economy going , hear lots of people getting told jobs are gone. Neighbour volunteered to go , his lot were doing 350 and younger fellow other side , GE are looking at 400 at airport. Surely be a lot not going back to work.
We face an economic catastrophe. Bleak times. Social unrest is coming I fear.
Was shutting down the entire economy rather than just isolating the vulnerable the worst peace time policy decision in a very very long time?
Self-isolation for the elderly and medically vulnerable, the prohibition of mass gatherings and measures to keep Covid patients segregated in health and care settings (heavy biosecurity for care homes and separate plague hospitals) would probably have produced much better results than the haphazard policies that were actually implemented, but we are where we are.
The UK and devolved Governments both have the same problem now: they're shit scared of doing anything to trigger the dreaded second wave so they're dithering over the maintenance or relaxation of the arbitrary two metre rule, whilst repealing other restrictions at a glacial pace and not learning from what's happening elsewhere. Italy opened bars, restaurants and hairdressers a month ago (and using a 1.5m distancing rule at that) and yet we hear nothing of a significant second outbreak from that quarter: the wretched disease hasn't gone away but it's not massacring the populace either.
The loss of jobs through all of this will, of course, be enormous in any event but it might be an idea to try to give at least some leisure and hospitality businesses a fighting chance of survival: it bears repeating, because everybody seems to have forgotten this, that poverty has negative health consequences too. Even if pubs and gyms are problematic and theatres and spectator sports have probably had their chips, we can surely have a stab at rescuing hair and beauty, restaurants, hotels and museums from the scrapheap?
It turns out Sadiq Khan was absolutely right to board up the Churchill statue and others. A smart move that ensured they were protected from the actions of pissed-up, drugged-up, far-right thugs.
Too bad he didn't think to do it last weekend when it was defaced by far-left scum.
It turns out Sadiq Khan was absolutely right to board up the Churchill statue and others. A smart move that ensured they were protected from the actions of pissed-up, drugged-up, far-right thugs.
You may want to qualify that as Sky have just reported that genuine elements stood on guard at Churchill's statue including ex military who do not accept Churchill's statue should be a target
Sometimes balance does need to be applied
Nothing to qualify, Mr G. I am sure not everyone would have been inclined to do any damage, but when the far-right is on the prowl it’s best to protect symbols of all that they loathe.
Just to note, it's OK to make fun of the appearance of the white working-class (while criticising a right-wing demo), but probably not OK to make fun of the appearance of other racial-class groups (e.g. while criticising recent left-wing demos). So it's easy to see how narratives of WWC alienation are justified.
It’s fine to make fun of fascists. I’m old fashioned that way.
It's "making fun of fascists" by insinuating that they wear the clothes of low-income white people. So the insult to fascists is to say "you're worse than fascists, you're WWC". Have a think about this and come back.
Apparently Channel 4 showed the 1966 World Cup Final recently and it is still available to stream (but doesn't seem available to download) via All 4.
A friend has asked me for technical advice. She'd like to show this on Father's Day at a Care Home she works at. It will be much appreciated by the men there I think and she's trying to make it as special a Father's Day as she can considering visitors still aren't permitted. The TV they have isn't a smart TV and there's no WiFi signal at that part of the Home. Normally when they play videos that have been downloaded it's via putting a video onto a USB stick then plugging that USB stick into the TV.
Is there any way to make this work? If anyone has any ideas to help I'd much appreciate it if anyone could please message me with ideas that could work as I'm stumped.
Apologies if this is an inappropriate question to put here but there's many smart people here and I'm hoping someone has a solution I haven't thought through.
A laptop and an appropriate connector to display the laptop screen on the TV?
A Laptop would work for streaming but there's no WiFi connection and no method of downloading that I can see from the All4 website. That's the issue. Need an offline solution.
It turns out Sadiq Khan was absolutely right to board up the Churchill statue and others. A smart move that ensured they were protected from the actions of pissed-up, drugged-up, far-right thugs.
You may want to qualify that as Sky have just reported that genuine elements stood on guard at Churchill's statue including ex military who do not accept Churchill's statue should be a target
Sometimes balance does need to be applied
Nothing to qualify, Mr G. I am sure not everyone would have been inclined to do any damage, but when the far-right is on the prowl it’s best to protect symbols of all that they loathe.
Why did the far left deface the Churchill statue last week then? It couldn't be because he's a 'symbol of all they loathe', could it?
It turns out Sadiq Khan was absolutely right to board up the Churchill statue and others. A smart move that ensured they were protected from the actions of pissed-up, drugged-up, far-right thugs.
You may want to qualify that as Sky have just reported that genuine elements stood on guard at Churchill's statue including ex military who do not accept Churchill's statue should be a target
Sometimes balance does need to be applied
Nothing to qualify, Mr G. I am sure not everyone would have been inclined to do any damage, but when the far-right is on the prowl it’s best to protect symbols of all that they loathe.
BLM appear to have played a blinder by calling off their march today. The defining images of these events will be of them pulling down an old statute of a slave trader and the far-right bovver boys attacking the good old British bobby. I suspect most will regard the latter as the less commendable look.
It turns out Sadiq Khan was absolutely right to board up the Churchill statue and others. A smart move that ensured they were protected from the actions of pissed-up, drugged-up, far-right thugs.
You may want to qualify that as Sky have just reported that genuine elements stood on guard at Churchill's statue including ex military who do not accept Churchill's statue should be a target
Sometimes balance does need to be applied
Nothing to qualify, Mr G. I am sure not everyone would have been inclined to do any damage, but when the far-right is on the prowl it’s best to protect symbols of all that they loathe.
We are at one condemning the far right
There is no difference between the far left and the far right.
Kudos to any behavioural scientist who predicted Lockdown would fall apart after 10 weeks.
Nah its all Big Doms fault....or something like that.
We will ignore the media amplify the nonsense message that racism is currently a more dangerous virus than covid, which is far more harmful public health message to BAME communities than if Big Dom went for a whizz on the M1.
It turns out Sadiq Khan was absolutely right to board up the Churchill statue and others. A smart move that ensured they were protected from the actions of pissed-up, drugged-up, far-right thugs.
Too bad he didn't think to do it last weekend when it was defaced by far-left scum.
It turns out Sadiq Khan was absolutely right to board up the Churchill statue and others. A smart move that ensured they were protected from the actions of pissed-up, drugged-up, far-right thugs.
You may want to qualify that as Sky have just reported that genuine elements stood on guard at Churchill's statue including ex military who do not accept Churchill's statue should be a target
Sometimes balance does need to be applied
Nothing to qualify, Mr G. I am sure not everyone would have been inclined to do any damage, but when the far-right is on the prowl it’s best to protect symbols of all that they loathe.
Why did the far left deface the Churchill statue last week then? It couldn't be because he's a 'symbol of all they loathe', could it?
It turns out Sadiq Khan was absolutely right to board up the Churchill statue and others. A smart move that ensured they were protected from the actions of pissed-up, drugged-up, far-right thugs.
You may want to qualify that as Sky have just reported that genuine elements stood on guard at Churchill's statue including ex military who do not accept Churchill's statue should be a target
Sometimes balance does need to be applied
Nothing to qualify, Mr G. I am sure not everyone would have been inclined to do any damage, but when the far-right is on the prowl it’s best to protect symbols of all that they loathe.
We are at one condemning the far right
There is no difference between the far left and the far right.
BLM appear to have played a blinder by calling off their march today. The defining images of these events will be of them pulling down an old statute of a slave trader and the far-right bovver boys attacking the good old British bobby. I suspect most will regard the latter as the less commendable look.
Oh, I don't know - I suspect this defining image of Churchill defaced by leftwing protesters may linger in the public mind for a while:
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
Strange that I don't recall you making this running commentary whilst Antifa thugs were injuring 60 police officers and committing criminal damage last week in a 'largely peaceful' demonstration.
These thugs attacking police is sickening and they should be hunted down and prosecuted. But your hypocrisy is pretty sickening as well.
“Antifa” doesn’t exist as an organisation, and even if it did, what’s the problem with being Anti-Fascist? Last week saw demonstrations for and on behalf of Black Lives Matter - an organisation whose core aims I unapologetically support - which (as is the way of these demonstrations sadly eg poll tax, university tuition, anti-globalisation) had unwanted elements that caused trouble. The fundamental difference is that these people today had no corresponding cause that anyone can articulate. All of them, to a man, came for trouble, to “defend” monuments they alleged, which is clearly an expectation of violence, and when no monuments were troubled , disappointed, they attacked. While I accept that plenty on the BLM Marches went on them for purely for trouble, a significant number, the majority, did not. That’s the difference. There was no underlying cause for anyone to be there today. Coulson was unlawfully pulled down because he was a slave trader to make a, perhaps misguided, point. The memorial to the policeman outside Parliament was urinated upon, exactly why? Because the bloke who did so went went to get pissed and fight. There is no moral equivalence, none.
You are 100% correct I did not run a commentary last week but there were plenty that did. Those that did such sterling service are not, for some strange reason, running a commentary this week, so I decided to step into the breach. Perhaps we are all hypocrites.
It turns out Sadiq Khan was absolutely right to board up the Churchill statue and others. A smart move that ensured they were protected from the actions of pissed-up, drugged-up, far-right thugs.
You may want to qualify that as Sky have just reported that genuine elements stood on guard at Churchill's statue including ex military who do not accept Churchill's statue should be a target
Sometimes balance does need to be applied
Nothing to qualify, Mr G. I am sure not everyone would have been inclined to do any damage, but when the far-right is on the prowl it’s best to protect symbols of all that they loathe.
We are at one condemning the far right
There is no difference between the far left and the far right.
It turns out Sadiq Khan was absolutely right to board up the Churchill statue and others. A smart move that ensured they were protected from the actions of pissed-up, drugged-up, far-right thugs.
Too bad he didn't think to do it last weekend when it was defaced by far-left scum.
Yep, hindsight is a marvellous thing. At least he learned his lesson.
BLM appear to have played a blinder by calling off their march today. The defining images of these events will be of them pulling down an old statute of a slave trader and the far-right bovver boys attacking the good old British bobby. I suspect most will regard the latter as the less commendable look.
Despite the fact that - ironically - BLM also attacked many British bobbies and the far right have also been desecrating statues.
Moreover, did anyone else think they looked pretty well identical?
Apparently Channel 4 showed the 1966 World Cup Final recently and it is still available to stream (but doesn't seem available to download) via All 4.
A friend has asked me for technical advice. She'd like to show this on Father's Day at a Care Home she works at. It will be much appreciated by the men there I think and she's trying to make it as special a Father's Day as she can considering visitors still aren't permitted. The TV they have isn't a smart TV and there's no WiFi signal at that part of the Home. Normally when they play videos that have been downloaded it's via putting a video onto a USB stick then plugging that USB stick into the TV.
Is there any way to make this work? If anyone has any ideas to help I'd much appreciate it if anyone could please message me with ideas that could work as I'm stumped.
Apologies if this is an inappropriate question to put here but there's many smart people here and I'm hoping someone has a solution I haven't thought through.
Apparently Channel 4 showed the 1966 World Cup Final recently and it is still available to stream (but doesn't seem available to download) via All 4.
A friend has asked me for technical advice. She'd like to show this on Father's Day at a Care Home she works at. It will be much appreciated by the men there I think and she's trying to make it as special a Father's Day as she can considering visitors still aren't permitted. The TV they have isn't a smart TV and there's no WiFi signal at that part of the Home. Normally when they play videos that have been downloaded it's via putting a video onto a USB stick then plugging that USB stick into the TV.
Is there any way to make this work? If anyone has any ideas to help I'd much appreciate it if anyone could please message me with ideas that could work as I'm stumped.
Apologies if this is an inappropriate question to put here but there's many smart people here and I'm hoping someone has a solution I haven't thought through.
A laptop and an appropriate connector to display the laptop screen on the TV?
A Laptop would work for streaming but there's no WiFi connection and no method of downloading that I can see from the All4 website. That's the issue. Need an offline solution.
Have they got a dvd player or can they borrow one?
It's amazing how so many are rightly condemning today's violence, yet couldn't bring themselves to do the same last week. Anyone who says today's thugs and arseholes should be locked up while maintaining last week's thugs and arseholes shouldn't is a massive hypocrite.
It turns out Sadiq Khan was absolutely right to board up the Churchill statue and others. A smart move that ensured they were protected from the actions of pissed-up, drugged-up, far-right thugs.
You may want to qualify that as Sky have just reported that genuine elements stood on guard at Churchill's statue including ex military who do not accept Churchill's statue should be a target
Sometimes balance does need to be applied
Nothing to qualify, Mr G. I am sure not everyone would have been inclined to do any damage, but when the far-right is on the prowl it’s best to protect symbols of all that they loathe.
We are at one condemning the far right
There is no difference between the far left and the far right.
Two vile cheeks of the same arse.
Nazi is short for National Socialists.
Indeed. The so-called far right have nothing in common with the right. They are keen on socialism and a big state when it suits them, it's a total misnomer and truism fallacy to define racist as right then claim all racists are right wing.
Loved the publicans' response to a colour bar was "Black Troops Only"!
The US Army prepared a film for GIs coming to Britain - in one scene an elderly lady invites a black soldier (first) and the white narrator to tea - the narrator explaining that thats how things get done in Britain
Death rate in England 3.5x higher in last week than Scot. Scottish Government decision to take a cautious approach for last month has clearly now been vindicated.
Surely completely the reverse Malcolm. What it shows is that contrary to Nicola's claims the R rate in Scotland was much lower than in England and we should have been opening up much faster. These figures make the Scottish government's position on schools and shops look even more absurd than it will on Monday.
David , pointless opening schools now , holidays are in 2 weeks. They should be thinking how to get economy going , hear lots of people getting told jobs are gone. Neighbour volunteered to go , his lot were doing 350 and younger fellow other side , GE are looking at 400 at airport. Surely be a lot not going back to work.
Her excessive caution arising from a bureaucratic mindset is going to cost Scotland very dear.
BLM appear to have played a blinder by calling off their march today. The defining images of these events will be of them pulling down an old statute of a slave trader and the far-right bovver boys attacking the good old British bobby. I suspect most will regard the latter as the less commendable look.
BLM are a far-left group who want to abolish the police and abolish capitalism. Just because they use this name shouldn't give them a free pass. If a far right-wing group decided to call itself something like "Save The Planet" it wouldn't excuse their policies just because they chose a name that expressed an idea no-one could disagree with.
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
I have no idea. Hopefully any crimes committed on this march will be harshly punished by the law, just as those committed by your fellow travellers should have been.
Unlike you, I don't attempt to minimize or excuse obvious criminal behaviour by protesters. If they break the law, then they should have the book thrown at them.
The difference is that those opposed to racism have more right on their side than this lot - and that's something you never seem to acknowledge.
Actually Mike that’s bullshit
If you break the law you break the law. You are not “more right”. It’s binary.
A Laptop would work for streaming but there's no WiFi connection and no method of downloading that I can see from the All4 website. That's the issue. Need an offline solution.
Death rate in England 3.5x higher in last week than Scot. Scottish Government decision to take a cautious approach for last month has clearly now been vindicated.
Surely completely the reverse Malcolm. What it shows is that contrary to Nicola's claims the R rate in Scotland was much lower than in England and we should have been opening up much faster. These figures make the Scottish government's position on schools and shops look even more absurd than it will on Monday.
David , pointless opening schools now , holidays are in 2 weeks. They should be thinking how to get economy going , hear lots of people getting told jobs are gone. Neighbour volunteered to go , his lot were doing 350 and younger fellow other side , GE are looking at 400 at airport. Surely be a lot not going back to work.
We face an economic catastrophe. Bleak times. Social unrest is coming I fear.
Was shutting down the entire economy rather than just isolating the vulnerable the worst peace time policy decision in a very very long time?
No. We faced a calamity with the NHS completely swamped and mass unnecessary deaths as in northern Italy. Had we not had a lockdown that would have happened in multiple parts of the UK but London in particular. At the time there was no choice but we need out of here as soon as those safeguards are in place.
BLM appear to have played a blinder by calling off their march today. The defining images of these events will be of them pulling down an old statute of a slave trader and the far-right bovver boys attacking the good old British bobby. I suspect most will regard the latter as the less commendable look.
Oh, I don't know - I suspect this defining image of Churchill defaced by leftwing protesters may linger in the public mind for a while:
That can be dismissed as the handiwork of a solitary vandal with a spray can. In fact, if everyone present had turned on the statue there would be nothing left of it, so it could be seen as a kind of vindication.
Apparently Channel 4 showed the 1966 World Cup Final recently and it is still available to stream (but doesn't seem available to download) via All 4.
A friend has asked me for technical advice. She'd like to show this on Father's Day at a Care Home she works at. It will be much appreciated by the men there I think and she's trying to make it as special a Father's Day as she can considering visitors still aren't permitted. The TV they have isn't a smart TV and there's no WiFi signal at that part of the Home. Normally when they play videos that have been downloaded it's via putting a video onto a USB stick then plugging that USB stick into the TV.
Is there any way to make this work? If anyone has any ideas to help I'd much appreciate it if anyone could please message me with ideas that could work as I'm stumped.
Apologies if this is an inappropriate question to put here but there's many smart people here and I'm hoping someone has a solution I haven't thought through.
A laptop and an appropriate connector to display the laptop screen on the TV?
A Laptop would work for streaming but there's no WiFi connection and no method of downloading that I can see from the All4 website. That's the issue. Need an offline solution.
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
I have no idea. Hopefully any crimes committed on this march will be harshly punished by the law, just as those committed by your fellow travellers should have been.
Unlike you, I don't attempt to minimize or excuse obvious criminal behaviour by protesters. If they break the law, then they should have the book thrown at them.
Oh but you do. You very much do. You have tried to excuse the actions of the right as being because, and I quote, “The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like...” so, risibly, you blame right wing violence against the police on left wing violence. That’s an excuse. A pretty pathetic “they started it” excuse at that.
Also, you say, “any crimes” as opposed to “the crimes” below a video of someone kicking a policeman, suggesting there is doubt. That’s an attempt at minimisation or, indeed, denial.
It's hardly any more pathetic than your excuse that the illegal destruction of a statue is not a crime because the statue hurt the protesters' feelings and it was no big deal anyway.
Do you still maintain that ridiculous excuse?
You also sought to minimize the official figure of 62 officers injured by leftwing protesters, remember?
Do you still deny the official figures?
You also don't seem to understand basic English. For the avoidance of doubt, 'any crimes' means 'any and all', i.e. 100% of the crimes committed should be punished. I don't know how much more simply I can put it so that you don't deliberately fail to understand.
White Crimes Matter!
White Lies Matter too. (I will leave you to decide if that is a Graham Rawle-esque Lost Consonant)
Apparently Channel 4 showed the 1966 World Cup Final recently and it is still available to stream (but doesn't seem available to download) via All 4.
A friend has asked me for technical advice. She'd like to show this on Father's Day at a Care Home she works at. It will be much appreciated by the men there I think and she's trying to make it as special a Father's Day as she can considering visitors still aren't permitted. The TV they have isn't a smart TV and there's no WiFi signal at that part of the Home. Normally when they play videos that have been downloaded it's via putting a video onto a USB stick then plugging that USB stick into the TV.
Is there any way to make this work? If anyone has any ideas to help I'd much appreciate it if anyone could please message me with ideas that could work as I'm stumped.
Apologies if this is an inappropriate question to put here but there's many smart people here and I'm hoping someone has a solution I haven't thought through.
A laptop and an appropriate connector to display the laptop screen on the TV?
A Laptop would work for streaming but there's no WiFi connection and no method of downloading that I can see from the All4 website. That's the issue. Need an offline solution.
Livestream it at home and record it with your phone 😐
Death rate in England 3.5x higher in last week than Scot. Scottish Government decision to take a cautious approach for last month has clearly now been vindicated.
Surely completely the reverse Malcolm. What it shows is that contrary to Nicola's claims the R rate in Scotland was much lower than in England and we should have been opening up much faster. These figures make the Scottish government's position on schools and shops look even more absurd than it will on Monday.
David , pointless opening schools now , holidays are in 2 weeks. They should be thinking how to get economy going , hear lots of people getting told jobs are gone. Neighbour volunteered to go , his lot were doing 350 and younger fellow other side , GE are looking at 400 at airport. Surely be a lot not going back to work.
We face an economic catastrophe. Bleak times. Social unrest is coming I fear.
Was shutting down the entire economy rather than just isolating the vulnerable the worst peace time policy decision in a very very long time?
No. We faced a calamity with the NHS completely swamped and mass unnecessary deaths as in northern Italy. Had we not had a lockdown that would have happened in multiple parts of the UK but London in particular. At the time there was no choice but we need out of here as soon as those safeguards are in place.
Why do so many people forget this?
Because it’s counterfactual. People don’t see the thousands of deaths prevented, because by definition they didn’t happen, but they see the economic damage and have to deal with that.
That’s one of the reasons why I said the government was going to get it whatever the outcome if there was a lockdown.
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
I have no idea. Hopefully any crimes committed on this march will be harshly punished by the law, just as those committed by your fellow travellers should have been.
Unlike you, I don't attempt to minimize or excuse obvious criminal behaviour by protesters. If they break the law, then they should have the book thrown at them.
The difference is that those opposed to racism have more right on their side than this lot - and that's something you never seem to acknowledge.
Actually Mike that’s bullshit
If you break the law you break the law. You are not “more right”. It’s binary.
Death rate in England 3.5x higher in last week than Scot. Scottish Government decision to take a cautious approach for last month has clearly now been vindicated.
Surely completely the reverse Malcolm. What it shows is that contrary to Nicola's claims the R rate in Scotland was much lower than in England and we should have been opening up much faster. These figures make the Scottish government's position on schools and shops look even more absurd than it will on Monday.
David , pointless opening schools now , holidays are in 2 weeks. They should be thinking how to get economy going , hear lots of people getting told jobs are gone. Neighbour volunteered to go , his lot were doing 350 and younger fellow other side , GE are looking at 400 at airport. Surely be a lot not going back to work.
We face an economic catastrophe. Bleak times. Social unrest is coming I fear.
Was shutting down the entire economy rather than just isolating the vulnerable the worst peace time policy decision in a very very long time?
No. We faced a calamity with the NHS completely swamped and mass unnecessary deaths as in northern Italy. Had we not had a lockdown that would have happened in multiple parts of the UK but London in particular. At the time there was no choice but we need out of here as soon as those safeguards are in place.
Why do so many people forget this?
We shouldn’t forget it - and the government clearly succeeded in avoiding such a fate in the UK, and indeed bust a gut to provide extra capacity (such as the Excel centre) that in the event wasn’t needed.
Unfortunately the price was that the government doesn’t appeared to have paid sufficient attention to a wider range of considerations, some of which have come back to punish us with one of the worst death rates in the world.
Apparently Channel 4 showed the 1966 World Cup Final recently and it is still available to stream (but doesn't seem available to download) via All 4.
A friend has asked me for technical advice. She'd like to show this on Father's Day at a Care Home she works at. It will be much appreciated by the men there I think and she's trying to make it as special a Father's Day as she can considering visitors still aren't permitted. The TV they have isn't a smart TV and there's no WiFi signal at that part of the Home. Normally when they play videos that have been downloaded it's via putting a video onto a USB stick then plugging that USB stick into the TV.
Is there any way to make this work? If anyone has any ideas to help I'd much appreciate it if anyone could please message me with ideas that could work as I'm stumped.
Apologies if this is an inappropriate question to put here but there's many smart people here and I'm hoping someone has a solution I haven't thought through.
A laptop and an appropriate connector to display the laptop screen on the TV?
A Laptop would work for streaming but there's no WiFi connection and no method of downloading that I can see from the All4 website. That's the issue. Need an offline solution.
Livestream it at home and record it with your phone 😐
Or, livestream it on a computer at home and record it on a screen capture.
It's amazing how so many are rightly condemning today's violence, yet couldn't bring themselves to do the same last week. Anyone who says today's thugs and arseholes should be locked up while maintaining last week's thugs and arseholes shouldn't is a massive hypocrite.
OGH thinks it's ok because the latter have right on their side.
There is also big spikes on a load of other US cities, mostly west coast, Portland, Seattle, LA, San Francisco. Interestingly no new spike in NYC.
Its like you hit 20% getting it and dies away.
That NYC now has one of the lowest new infection case rates in the US is very hard to explain if, as some studies suggest, only a small minority of the population now has immunity or resistance.
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
I have no idea. Hopefully any crimes committed on this march will be harshly punished by the law, just as those committed by your fellow travellers should have been.
Unlike you, I don't attempt to minimize or excuse obvious criminal behaviour by protesters. If they break the law, then they should have the book thrown at them.
The difference is that those opposed to racism have more right on their side than this lot - and that's something you never seem to acknowledge.
Actually Mike that’s bullshit
If you break the law you break the law. You are not “more right”. It’s binary.
The purpose comes into it.
What if one disagrees that any 'purpose' can justify violence, and that criminal violence should be punished equally, whether it's committed by the far left, far right, or anything in between?
I would hope that that was still a permissible opinion. It's nothing more or less than the rule of law.
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
I have no idea. Hopefully any crimes committed on this march will be harshly punished by the law, just as those committed by your fellow travellers should have been.
Unlike you, I don't attempt to minimize or excuse obvious criminal behaviour by protesters. If they break the law, then they should have the book thrown at them.
The difference is that those opposed to racism have more right on their side than this lot - and that's something you never seem to acknowledge.
Actually Mike that’s bullshit
If you break the law you break the law. You are not “more right”. It’s binary.
The purpose comes into it.
But are we sure they’re opposed to racism? Yes, they’re opposed to racism against black people. Good, so am I. So are all decent people.
But how many voted for Labour led by Jeremy Corbyn? In which case, on the admission of the former general secretary they’re condoning racism against Jews.
Sultana and Shah are unabashed supporters of an organisation that supports genocide, FFS.
BLM appear to have played a blinder by calling off their march today. The defining images of these events will be of them pulling down an old statute of a slave trader and the far-right bovver boys attacking the good old British bobby. I suspect most will regard the latter as the less commendable look.
Oh, I don't know - I suspect this defining image of Churchill defaced by leftwing protesters may linger in the public mind for a while:
That can be dismissed as the handiwork of a solitary vandal with a spray can. In fact, if everyone present had turned on the statue there would be nothing left of it, so it could be seen as a kind of vindication.
That was clearly the work of one person. When a movement really wants to desecrate that very same statue the below is the result.
What, the part where I told you that if idiotic vandals on the left set a precedent for political violence then idiotic vandals on the right would emulate it?
I'd say that aged pretty well.
I see the standard 'individuals must take responsibility for their own actions' right wing mantra has been suspended for the duration of (literal) hostilities.
The left has spent the last couple of weeks telling the world that you can do whatever vandalism and rioting you like if your feelings are hurt and - surprise, surprise - it seems some people were listening.
While your fellow travellers on the right bravely attack policemen from behind. Tell me, Mr Blue, these fine fellows below share your political philosophy, exactly what are the people below demonstrating for? Are they for or against the police? I can’t tell.
I have no idea. Hopefully any crimes committed on this march will be harshly punished by the law, just as those committed by your fellow travellers should have been.
Unlike you, I don't attempt to minimize or excuse obvious criminal behaviour by protesters. If they break the law, then they should have the book thrown at them.
The difference is that those opposed to racism have more right on their side than this lot - and that's something you never seem to acknowledge.
Actually Mike that’s bullshit
If you break the law you break the law. You are not “more right”. It’s binary.
If you think it is binary, then you think that someone possesing canabis is the same as Fred West.
I think I'll be taking a break from the site tonight.
The events of this weekend were entirely predictable. The comments on here by certain posters also so.
The far-left and far-right both want the same thing: a culture war.
Each is secretly delighted the other is giving it to them, as they hope to use it to broaden their bases of support around their respective polarities.
Don't play their game. It's hard work arguing for nuance and moderation, but it's the right thing to do.
I think I'll be taking a break from the site tonight.
The events of this weekend were entirely predictable. The comments on here by certain posters also so.
The far-left and far-right both want the same thing: a culture war.
Each is secretly delighted the other is giving it to them, as they hope to use it to broaden their bases of support around their respective polarities.
Don't play their game. It's hard work arguing for nuance and moderation, but it's the right thing to do.
I think I'll be taking a break from the site tonight.
The events of this weekend were entirely predictable. The comments on here by certain posters also so.
The far-left and far-right both want the same thing: a culture war.
Each is secretly delighted the other is giving it to them, as they hope to use it to broaden their bases of support around their respective polarities.
Don't play their game. It's hard work arguing for nuance and moderation, but it's the right thing to do.
I think we have to hope for a summer wash out, otherwise i can see this becoming a weekly thing.
I think I'll be taking a break from the site tonight.
The events of this weekend were entirely predictable. The comments on here by certain posters also so.
The far-left and far-right both want the same thing: a culture war.
Each is secretly delighted the other is giving it to them, as they hope to use it to broaden their bases of support around their respective polarities.
Don't play their game. It's hard work arguing for nuance and moderation, but it's the right thing to do.
I think I'll be taking a break from the site tonight.
The events of this weekend were entirely predictable. The comments on here by certain posters also so.
The far-left and far-right both want the same thing: a culture war.
Each is secretly delighted the other is giving it to them, as they hope to use it to broaden their bases of support around their respective polarities.
Don't play their game. It's hard work arguing for nuance and moderation, but it's the right thing to do.
I think I'll be taking a break from the site tonight.
The events of this weekend were entirely predictable. The comments on here by certain posters also so.
The far-left and far-right both want the same thing: a culture war.
Each is secretly delighted the other is giving it to them, as they hope to use it to broaden their bases of support around their respective polarities.
Don't play their game. It's hard work arguing for nuance and moderation, but it's the right thing to do.
I think we have to hope for a summer wash out, otherwise i can see this becoming a weekly thing.
Comments
Also, you say, “any crimes” as opposed to “the crimes” below a video of someone kicking a policeman, suggesting there is doubt. That’s an attempt at minimisation or, indeed, denial.
https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/1271843025526894593?s=20
I have kept away from PB today following an early morning 'lurk' only to see the usual anti Boris mantra from the daily sources and the sheer frustration that for all the 24/7 attacks on him, and HMG, none of it matters as Boris is there for 4 years, unless ill health intervenes or of course his party decide to change leaders, (which of course they are good at)
I have no doubt the polls will see crossover but even that will have no effect
As TM famously said
'Nothing has changed' (other than no transition now)
Her excessive caution arising from a bureaucratic mindset is going to cost Scotland very dear.
The difference between us is that I want all criminal behaviour to be punished, whereas you seek to excuse and minimize it when you approve of the political motive behind it.
You live in some fantasy world of moral purity no matter what the facts are. The police officer who was knocked off her horse is still in hospital - why don't you ask her if the people who put her there have something to be ashamed of?
Was shutting down the entire economy rather than just isolating the vulnerable the worst peace time policy decision in a very very long time?
No lets choose, Austria, Czechia, Japan, India, NZ, China - that will be sufficient and representative.......
London is flirting with 1.
This is based on data up to last Monday.
Apparently Channel 4 showed the 1966 World Cup Final recently and it is still available to stream (but doesn't seem available to download) via All 4.
A friend has asked me for technical advice. She'd like to show this on Father's Day at a Care Home she works at. It will be much appreciated by the men there I think and she's trying to make it as special a Father's Day as she can considering visitors still aren't permitted. The TV they have isn't a smart TV and there's no WiFi signal at that part of the Home. Normally when they play videos that have been downloaded it's via putting a video onto a USB stick then plugging that USB stick into the TV.
Is there any way to make this work? If anyone has any ideas to help I'd much appreciate it if anyone could please message me with ideas that could work as I'm stumped.
Apologies if this is an inappropriate question to put here but there's many smart people here and I'm hoping someone has a solution I haven't thought through.
Have a good weekend anyway if it's not too dreich - off now for some hobby stuff and dinner.
One story involved a bust-up between Black and White yanks over a British girl at a dance-hall. Apparently the girl was having none of it, and went for the Black gentleman in question.
They should be called out by every decent member or supporter of the consrvative party
They sicken me
Do you still maintain that ridiculous excuse?
You also sought to minimize the official figure of 62 officers injured by leftwing protesters, remember?
Do you still deny the official figures?
You also don't seem to understand basic English. For the avoidance of doubt, 'any crimes' means 'any and all', i.e. 100% of the crimes committed should be punished. I don't know how much more simply I can put it so that you don't deliberately fail to understand.
Sometimes balance does need to be applied
https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1271852778097446912
https://twitter.com/MediocreDave/status/1271808980063522820?s=20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh0F6nX8G8c
The newscaster gave an apocalyptic intro and handed over to the lady at the Cenotaph
“We don’t know what’s going on. It’s all peaceful here, there are just some veterans around who say they want to protect the Cenotaph”
Holyrood won.
Westminster lost.
Therefore, SNP = BAD.
Only another eleven months to go...
The UK and devolved Governments both have the same problem now: they're shit scared of doing anything to trigger the dreaded second wave so they're dithering over the maintenance or relaxation of the arbitrary two metre rule, whilst repealing other restrictions at a glacial pace and not learning from what's happening elsewhere. Italy opened bars, restaurants and hairdressers a month ago (and using a 1.5m distancing rule at that) and yet we hear nothing of a significant second outbreak from that quarter: the wretched disease hasn't gone away but it's not massacring the populace either.
The loss of jobs through all of this will, of course, be enormous in any event but it might be an idea to try to give at least some leisure and hospitality businesses a fighting chance of survival: it bears repeating, because everybody seems to have forgotten this, that poverty has negative health consequences too. Even if pubs and gyms are problematic and theatres and spectator sports have probably had their chips, we can surely have a stab at rescuing hair and beauty, restaurants, hotels and museums from the scrapheap?
Not surprised re Boris
Coronavirus: Racism 'could play a part in BAME Covid deaths'
Two vile cheeks of the same arse.
https://twitter.com/rmunro3/status/1269730926642126849
You are 100% correct I did not run a commentary last week but there were plenty that did. Those that did such sterling service are not, for some strange reason, running a commentary this week, so I decided to step into the breach. Perhaps we are all hypocrites.
And, as an aside, while only one injury is one too many, that notorious leftist bastion, the Express, puts the figure of injured police at 35, not 60 - https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1292955/black-lives-matter-london-protests-uk-met-police-officers-injured-latest-george-floyd - and there has also been a sustained disinformation campaign about the level of violence - https://fullfact.org/online/blm-protest-london-pictures/ that has gained a lot of traction, which has not helped the poisonous atmosphere.
Moreover, did anyone else think they looked pretty well identical?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/1966-World-Cup-Final-DVD/dp/B000063KLS/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3PP55RZ3QHTUM&dchild=1&keywords=1966+world+cup+final+dvd&qid=1592069265&s=dvd&sprefix=1966+,dvd,151&sr=1-1
The US Army prepared a film for GIs coming to Britain - in one scene an elderly lady invites a black soldier (first) and the white narrator to tea - the narrator explaining that thats how things get done in Britain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltVtnCzg9xw
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1271852621394063371
If you break the law you break the law. You are not “more right”. It’s binary.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/TL-PA4010KIT-Powerline-Configuration-Required-UK/dp/B01BECPIMC/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=TP+link&qid=1592069636&sr=8-3
They are incredible useful.
Its like you hit 20% getting it and dies away.
https://twitter.com/GuyReuters/status/1271814966413348864?s=19
On today, sad to see some right wing PB posters engage in whataboutery rather than do the right thing.
(I will leave you to decide if that is a Graham Rawle-esque Lost Consonant)
That’s one of the reasons why I said the government was going to get it whatever the outcome if there was a lockdown.
Quite impressively, they’ve managed to have both.
Unfortunately the price was that the government doesn’t appeared to have paid sufficient attention to a wider range of considerations, some of which have come back to punish us with one of the worst death rates in the world.
No wonder he used to work for the BBC.
I would hope that that was still a permissible opinion. It's nothing more or less than the rule of law.
But how many voted for Labour led by Jeremy Corbyn? In which case, on the admission of the former general secretary they’re condoning racism against Jews.
Sultana and Shah are unabashed supporters of an organisation that supports genocide, FFS.
The events of this weekend were entirely predictable. The comments on here by certain posters also so.
The far-left and far-right both want the same thing: a culture war.
Each is secretly delighted the other is giving it to them, as they hope to use it to broaden their bases of support around their respective polarities.
Don't play their game. It's hard work arguing for nuance and moderation, but it's the right thing to do.
There is no guarantee it will stop.