Left wing/Remain haters of Boris and Cummings had a gilt edged opportunity to claim the higher ground here, by criticising the BLM breaking of lockdown with the same vigour they did Big Bad Dom.
They just couldn't bring themselves to do it. It's all about scoring points & taking sides.
I’m not sure why you feel the need to conflate left-wing and remain in this way.
But anyway I think these demos are bloody stupid. The violence is unnecessary. The hysteria ridiculous.
The anger and upset at the awful death of one man in US is no doubt sincerely felt by some but there is a lot of “look at me” protesting going on which adds nothing and, arguably, detracts from the very real problems encountered by black people in the US and elsewhere.
And, yes, given this blasted virus is not yet beaten, it is absurd to breach the lockdown in such a way.
Because it's left wingers and Remainers who hate Boris and Dom!
Boris is the very best the Conservative Party have. Sad isn't it...
Best the Conservative Party have at winning elections, yep....
Well we don't have one for a while, so he can stand down?
Laura Pidcock is Pillock. Butler can be Pillock 2: The Twattening or something
But Butler is old enough to Pidcock's mother.
The truly amazing thing about Butler is that Labour chose her again after they had the opportunity to get rid of her.
The loony left that objected to my plan to rejoin Labour to "wipe out any sign of socialism" still hold enough of the levers of power to ensure bonkers Butler and Sultana and Lloyd-mole etc are MPs. TBH they were probably right to repel me...
Who'd have thought Joshua would be playing the heel role in Joshua - Fury fight. A turn up for the books.
Joshua is the classy professional while Fury is the everyman living the dream.
Its almost a real life Apollo Creed vs Rocky Balboa.
Fury is much more than that. He is actually highly skilled. For a man of that size, his skills, speed, and footwork are top notch. In both fights against Wilder, he out boxed him handily. And that is true of most of his previous big fights.
He is much more than the hard as nails Gypsy, so i think the Rocky comparison is false.
Why do you think the horse bolted? Was it just horsey high spirits? Did he spot some lovely fresh hay on Northumberland Avenue?
Usually police horses are draft crosses for quiet temperament and then are trained and selected to be bomb proof. But they are not machines. Could be nothing special spooked the horse, or could be someone or something hurt it.
Somebody hit it with a bike, while also fireworks where being set off. There is footage.
Unless the horse changed colour after being hit by the bike or there is further footage I haven't seen then no they didn't.
No, that is a different clip of a different horse. The Mail have photos, two bikes have been thrown at the horse and it bolts.
I've seen the picture of the horse trampling on a bike, but no report of those bikes being thrown at that horse.
The mail have taken a couple of photos of the bike being rolled at the dark coloured horse and labelled them 1 and 2 and then used a photo of the bay horse trampling a bike and labelled it 3 as if the bike from 1 and 2 hit it, which the video shows it did not.
The pictures the Mail label 1 and 2 were taken after the rider was knocked off their horse.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
Just like Mr Attlee!
Ah yes, the 1940s
Do you expect Starmer to do better or worse than Corbyn against Boris? If so, by how much?
50 seat gains (like tonight's polls) would do, wouldn't it?
Would do for what though ?
A minority government, dependent upon the SNP, having to pursue an 'export or starve' strategy.
As I remember you're an advocate of 'sound money' - be careful what you wish for
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
Just like Mr Attlee!
Ah yes, the 1940s
Do you expect Starmer to do better or worse than Corbyn against Boris? If so, by how much?
50 seat gains (like tonight's polls) would do, wouldn't it?
Would do for what though ?
A minority government, dependent upon the SNP, having to pursue an 'export or starve' strategy.
Just wondering if @isam would class that as the less charismatic candidate winning?
Laura Pidcock is Pillock. Butler can be Pillock 2: The Twattening or something
But Butler is old enough to Pidcock's mother.
The truly amazing thing about Butler is that Labour chose her again after they had the opportunity to get rid of her.
The loony left that objected to my plan to rejoin Labour to "wipe out any sign of socialism" still hold enough of the levers of power to ensure bonkers Butler and Sultana and Lloyd-mole etc are MPs. TBH they were probably right to repel me...
Who'd have thought Joshua would be playing the heel role in Joshua - Fury fight. A turn up for the books.
Joshua is the classy professional while Fury is the everyman living the dream.
Its almost a real life Apollo Creed vs Rocky Balboa.
Fury is much more than that. He is actually highly skilled. For a man of that size, his skills, speed, and footwork are top notch. In both fights against Wilder, he out boxed him handily. And that is true of most of his previous big fights.
He is much more than the hard as nails Gypsy, so i think the Rocky comparison is false.
It is indeed false in reality, but that's the image.
Fury looks like a bloke on one of those programs about gypsies whereas Joshua was the Olympic champion.
Left wing/Remain haters of Boris and Cummings had a gilt edged opportunity to claim the higher ground here, by criticising the BLM breaking of lockdown with the same vigour they did Big Bad Dom.
They just couldn't bring themselves to do it. It's all about scoring points & taking sides.
I’m not sure why you feel the need to conflate left-wing and remain in this way.
But anyway I think these demos are bloody stupid. The violence is unnecessary. The hysteria ridiculous.
The anger and upset at the awful death of one man in US is no doubt sincerely felt by some but there is a lot of “look at me” protesting going on which adds nothing and, arguably, detracts from the very real problems encountered by black people in the US and elsewhere.
And, yes, given this blasted virus is not yet beaten, it is absurd to breach the lockdown in such a way.
Because it's left wingers and Remainers who hate Boris and Dom!
Boris is the very best the Conservative Party have. Sad isn't it...
Best the Conservative Party have at winning elections, yep....
But when did he last face a formidable opponent? Possibly Livingstone in 2008 - who was weighed down by an unpopular Labour Government. He was only narrowly reelected in 2012 - by which time Livingstone was a much diminished figure and a clear electoral liability to his party.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
Just like Mr Attlee!
Ah yes, the 1940s
Do you expect Starmer to do better or worse than Corbyn against Boris? If so, by how much?
50 seat gains (like tonight's polls) would do, wouldn't it?
I think most seats will continue to move in the same direction that they did at the last election. So-called red wall seats will mostly stay with the Tories, university/urban seats will continue to move to Labour. Chingford and Chipping Barnet will be very difficult for the Conservatives to hold next time, which is why I expect both the current MPs for those seats to retire.
Left wing/Remain haters of Boris and Cummings had a gilt edged opportunity to claim the higher ground here, by criticising the BLM breaking of lockdown with the same vigour they did Big Bad Dom.
They just couldn't bring themselves to do it. It's all about scoring points & taking sides.
I’m not sure why you feel the need to conflate left-wing and remain in this way.
But anyway I think these demos are bloody stupid. The violence is unnecessary. The hysteria ridiculous.
The anger and upset at the awful death of one man in US is no doubt sincerely felt by some but there is a lot of “look at me” protesting going on which adds nothing and, arguably, detracts from the very real problems encountered by black people in the US and elsewhere.
And, yes, given this blasted virus is not yet beaten, it is absurd to breach the lockdown in such a way.
Because it's left wingers and Remainers who hate Boris and Dom!
Boris is the very best the Conservative Party have. Sad isn't it...
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
Just like Mr Attlee!
Ah yes, the 1940s
Do you expect Starmer to do better or worse than Corbyn against Boris? If so, by how much?
50 seat gains (like tonight's polls) would do, wouldn't it?
I think most seats will continue to move in the same direction that they did at the last election. So-called red wall seats will mostly stay with the Tories, university/urban seats will continue to move to Labour.
I expect so too, but that wasn't the question that I asked.
Laura Pidcock is Pillock. Butler can be Pillock 2: The Twattening or something
But Butler is old enough to Pidcock's mother.
The truly amazing thing about Butler is that Labour chose her again after they had the opportunity to get rid of her.
The loony left that objected to my plan to rejoin Labour to "wipe out any sign of socialism" still hold enough of the levers of power to ensure bonkers Butler and Sultana and Lloyd-mole etc are MPs. TBH they were probably right to repel me...
Yes, I think they were. Labour has always been a broad church, just like the Tories used to be. Blair got on just fine with Corbyn, McDonnell and others on the back benches; there's always been a far left rump in the PLP. They do not hold sway any more (and they didn't really under Corbyn, as the PLP tried to get rid of him more than once).
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Left wing/Remain haters of Boris and Cummings had a gilt edged opportunity to claim the higher ground here, by criticising the BLM breaking of lockdown with the same vigour they did Big Bad Dom.
They just couldn't bring themselves to do it. It's all about scoring points & taking sides.
I’m not sure why you feel the need to conflate left-wing and remain in this way.
But anyway I think these demos are bloody stupid. The violence is unnecessary. The hysteria ridiculous.
The anger and upset at the awful death of one man in US is no doubt sincerely felt by some but there is a lot of “look at me” protesting going on which adds nothing and, arguably, detracts from the very real problems encountered by black people in the US and elsewhere.
And, yes, given this blasted virus is not yet beaten, it is absurd to breach the lockdown in such a way.
Because it's left wingers and Remainers who hate Boris and Dom!
@Richard_Tyndall who likes Cummings wrote a header fiercely critical of him. So no you made an unjustified assumption.
What's that got to do with it? Criticising him was fair enough if that's how people feel, my point was if they could have resisted seeing everything through partisan, point scoring lenses, left wingers/remainers could have also criticised the BLM madness and gained the moral high ground
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
Just like Mr Attlee!
Ah yes, the 1940s
Do you expect Starmer to do better or worse than Corbyn against Boris? If so, by how much?
50 seat gains (like tonight's polls) would do, wouldn't it?
I would expect Starmer to have done as badly as Corbyn last December when Boris won because of Brexit, and would expect Corbyn to be doing as well as Starmer is now that 40,000 have died from an incurable virus and there are riots on the street
Laura Pidcock is Pillock. Butler can be Pillock 2: The Twattening or something
But Butler is old enough to Pidcock's mother.
The truly amazing thing about Butler is that Labour chose her again after they had the opportunity to get rid of her.
The loony left that objected to my plan to rejoin Labour to "wipe out any sign of socialism" still hold enough of the levers of power to ensure bonkers Butler and Sultana and Lloyd-mole etc are MPs. TBH they were probably right to repel me...
Still time to join CON! 😊
Yeah, I have a personal invite from Matt Vickers MP to that effect. Happily I am not a Tory, though it is very sweet that he offered
I seemed to remember a very excitable poster on here predicting that Coronavirus would be the end of Woke-ism, as Coronavirus was a much bigger problem than anything else.
If the the placards at the protests today are anything to go by, for some racism is the #1 issue in the world that needs to be tackled this second and can only be done in person, and this weights above absolutely everything else, including a virus that disproportionately kills black people.
Scot Goes Pop / Panelbase poll: Sensation as Scottish voters, by a 3-1 margin, say that the Scottish Government's handling of the pandemic makes them "more confident" that Scotland will be well-governed as an independent country, and that the UK government's response to the crisis makes them "less convinced" that Scotland is safer as part of the UK http://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2020/06/scot-goes-pop-panelbase-poll-sensation.html?m=1 Also 52% again for YES
Actually 48% Yes including Don't Knows and only 34% want indyref2 in the next 2 years
There's more for Yes than for No, which is the key point.
So, in polling terms the Cummings illegal flit to Durham has cost an 80 seat majority at this stage. And that’s before more the difficult decisions need to be taken over the coming weeks and months. Good work, Boris! What’s Dom got on you that was worth this disaster so far?
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
John Major won.
Yes it's interesting to look at the polls on Major vs Kinnock - It was actually level pegging on 'personality' until the election campaign, when Kinnock went clear in that respect. What's sort of strange is that Major was considered less 'inexperienced'. I'll post the surveys tomorrow when I'm at the laptop
Laura Pidcock is Pillock. Butler can be Pillock 2: The Twattening or something
But Butler is old enough to Pidcock's mother.
The truly amazing thing about Butler is that Labour chose her again after they had the opportunity to get rid of her.
The loony left that objected to my plan to rejoin Labour to "wipe out any sign of socialism" still hold enough of the levers of power to ensure bonkers Butler and Sultana and Lloyd-mole etc are MPs. TBH they were probably right to repel me...
Yes, I think they were. Labour has always been a broad church, just like the Tories used to be. Blair got on just fine with Corbyn, McDonnell and others on the back benches; there's always been a far left rump in the PLP. They do not hold sway any more (and they didn't really under Corbyn, as the PLP tried to get rid of him more than once).
Indeed. I suspect that my time with the Labour Party is done. Once bitten and all that.
The problem with your argument is that there are a *lot* of solid Labour voters who went Tory last December or at the very least stayed at home. Labour needs to win them back, you can't right us all off as traitors
"So, over the last 10 years, a white individual who has been arrested was about 25% more likely to die in custody than a black individual who had been arrested."
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
Just like Mr Attlee!
Ah yes, the 1940s
Do you expect Starmer to do better or worse than Corbyn against Boris? If so, by how much?
50 seat gains (like tonight's polls) would do, wouldn't it?
I would expect Starmer to have done as badly as Corbyn last December when Boris won because of Brexit, and would expect Corbyn to be doing as well as Starmer is now that 40,000 have died from an incurable virus and there are riots on the street
Obviously every election is different. But the question remains the same, can Starmer win 50 seats, and depose a Tory PM? Would you count that as an uncharismatic winner?
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
John Major won.
Yes it's interesting to look at the polls on Major vs Kinnock - It was actually level pegging on 'personality' until the election campaign, when Kinnock went clear in that respect. What's sort of strange is that Major was considered less 'inexperienced'. I'll post the surveys tomorrow when I'm at the laptop
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
Just like Mr Attlee!
Ah yes, the 1940s
Do you expect Starmer to do better or worse than Corbyn against Boris? If so, by how much?
50 seat gains (like tonight's polls) would do, wouldn't it?
I would expect Starmer to have done as badly as Corbyn last December when Boris won because of Brexit, and would expect Corbyn to be doing as well as Starmer is now that 40,000 have died from an incurable virus and there are riots on the street
Obviously every election is different. But the question remains the same, can Starmer win 50 seats, and depose a Tory PM? Would you count that as an uncharismatic winner?
Tonights polls say he can.
I must say from your comments in the last thread, about Ed Milibands charisma being something people would have viewed with hindsight, that you can't have understood the gist of my argument. My fault for not making it clearer.
If Starmer was trailing Boris on personality throughout this parliament by anywhere near the margin he is now, yet became PM, then yes of course he would have bucked the trend
But tonight's polls don't say Starmer can win 50 seats, because Ed Miliband was doing a lot better than this in the polls at times, and lost ground, and if I am right about personality, it was there for all to see that he would never be PM
"So, over the last 10 years, a white individual who has been arrested was about 25% more likely to die in custody than a black individual who had been arrested."
A rather selective quote from that link, which also states:
"When you compare these figures to how much of the population these groups make up (as measured by the 2011 census), black people are more than twice as likely to die in police custody."
In other words, Black people are not more likely to die than other arrested people, but are twice as likely to be arrested in the first place.
I seemed to remember a very excitable poster on here predicting that Coronavirus would be the end of Woke-ism, as Coronavirus was a much bigger problem than anything else.
If the the placards at the protests today are anything to go by, for some racism is the #1 issue in the world that needs to be tackled this second and can only be done in person, and this weights above absolutely everything else, including a virus that disproportionately kills black people.
You maybe referring to me. And I stand by my opinion.
The era of covid-19 (which may last a year or three, like Spanish flu) will see the end of woke-ism. For two reasons
1, it will no longer be affordable. All money expended on ‘diversity’ will be seen as wasted. Once the depression kicks in
2. and more importantly, it has reached its reductio an absurdam. Angels are dancing on pins and are subject to census. Sportsmen are being sacked for dubious tweets BY THEIR WIVES
The pendulum always swings, it will swing again
Have you seen what is going on in the US. The policy position of BLM in the US is basically the police are so corrupt and racist the only solution is to defund them and close prisons. The only way that elected politicians will even be close to being able to placate them is to spend huge amounts of money on diversity based initiatives.
Once the police have been dealt with, it will be all the institutions.
Did you not see Imperial redid their logo. I doubt that will be enough, Imperial as a name will probably have to go.
I think we might well see the opposite, using the springboard of legitimate issues, a massive expansion in the woke-ism industry.
I seemed to remember a very excitable poster on here predicting that Coronavirus would be the end of Woke-ism, as Coronavirus was a much bigger problem than anything else.
If the the placards at the protests today are anything to go by, for some racism is the #1 issue in the world that needs to be tackled this second and can only be done in person, and this weights above absolutely everything else, including a virus that disproportionately kills black people.
You maybe referring to me. And I stand by my opinion.
The era of covid-19 (which may last a year or three, like Spanish flu) will see the end of woke-ism. For two reasons
1, it will no longer be affordable. All money expended on ‘diversity’ will be seen as wasted. Once the depression kicks in
2. and more importantly, it has reached its reductio an absurdam. Angels are dancing on pins and are subject to census. Sportsmen are being sacked for dubious tweets BY THEIR WIVES
The pendulum always swings, it will swing again
See Douglas Murrays' latest book for a whole set of angels on pins examples.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
John Major won.
Yes it's interesting to look at the polls on Major vs Kinnock - It was actually level pegging on 'personality' until the election campaign, when Kinnock went clear in that respect. What's sort of strange is that Major was considered less 'inexperienced'. I'll post the surveys tomorrow when I'm at the laptop
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
Just like Mr Attlee!
Ah yes, the 1940s
Do you expect Starmer to do better or worse than Corbyn against Boris? If so, by how much?
50 seat gains (like tonight's polls) would do, wouldn't it?
I would expect Starmer to have done as badly as Corbyn last December when Boris won because of Brexit, and would expect Corbyn to be doing as well as Starmer is now that 40,000 have died from an incurable virus and there are riots on the street
Obviously every election is different. But the question remains the same, can Starmer win 50 seats, and depose a Tory PM? Would you count that as an uncharismatic winner?
Tonights polls say he can.
I must say from your comments in the last thread, about Ed Milibands charisma being something people would have viewed with hindsight, that you can't have understood the gist of my argument. My fault for not making it clearer.
If Starmer was trailing Boris on personality throughout this parliament by anywhere near the margin he is now, yet became PM, then yes of course he would have bucked the trend
But tonight's polls don't say Starmer can win 50 seats, because Ed Miliband was doing a lot better than this in the polls at times, and lost ground, and if I am right about personality, it was there for all to see that he would never be PM
Still not a clear answer.
Would you count 50 Tory losses to Labour as a Starmer victory?
I would, and think that a very plausible outcome at the next GE.
Charisma may be a factor, but it will not be enough to compensate for incompetence.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
Just like Mr Attlee!
Ah yes, the 1940s
Do you expect Starmer to do better or worse than Corbyn against Boris? If so, by how much?
50 seat gains (like tonight's polls) would do, wouldn't it?
I would expect Starmer to have done as badly as Corbyn last December when Boris won because of Brexit, and would expect Corbyn to be doing as well as Starmer is now that 40,000 have died from an incurable virus and there are riots on the street
Obviously every election is different. But the question remains the same, can Starmer win 50 seats, and depose a Tory PM? Would you count that as an uncharismatic winner?
Tonights polls say he can.
I must say from your comments in the last thread, about Ed Milibands charisma being something people would have viewed with hindsight, that you can't have understood the gist of my argument. My fault for not making it clearer.
If Starmer was trailing Boris on personality throughout this parliament by anywhere near the margin he is now, yet became PM, then yes of course he would have bucked the trend
But tonight's polls don't say Starmer can win 50 seats, because Ed Miliband was doing a lot better than this in the polls at times, and lost ground, and if I am right about personality, it was there for all to see that he would never be PM
Still not a clear answer.
Would you count 50 Tory losses to Labour as a Starmer victory?
I would, and think that a very plausible outcome at the next GE.
Charisma may be a factor, but it will not be enough to compensate for incompetence.
Well I'm not here standing trial obliged to answer questions the way you want me to!
I'd be pretty amazed if someone trailing on 'personality' by 34 points turned around an 80 seat majority, but maybe Starmer won't be trailing by that amount, we'll have to see. But I'm not that impressed by the current polling, it's par for the course
I seemed to remember a very excitable poster on here predicting that Coronavirus would be the end of Woke-ism, as Coronavirus was a much bigger problem than anything else.
If the the placards at the protests today are anything to go by, for some racism is the #1 issue in the world that needs to be tackled this second and can only be done in person, and this weights above absolutely everything else, including a virus that disproportionately kills black people.
You maybe referring to me. And I stand by my opinion.
The era of covid-19 (which may last a year or three, like Spanish flu) will see the end of woke-ism. For two reasons
1, it will no longer be affordable. All money expended on ‘diversity’ will be seen as wasted. Once the depression kicks in
2. and more importantly, it has reached its reductio an absurdam. Angels are dancing on pins and are subject to census. Sportsmen are being sacked for dubious tweets BY THEIR WIVES
The pendulum always swings, it will swing again
Which do you think is for the chop first, wokeism, Scottish Indy or the EU?
I seemed to remember a very excitable poster on here predicting that Coronavirus would be the end of Woke-ism, as Coronavirus was a much bigger problem than anything else.
If the the placards at the protests today are anything to go by, for some racism is the #1 issue in the world that needs to be tackled this second and can only be done in person, and this weights above absolutely everything else, including a virus that disproportionately kills black people.
You maybe referring to me. And I stand by my opinion.
The era of covid-19 (which may last a year or three, like Spanish flu) will see the end of woke-ism. For two reasons
1, it will no longer be affordable. All money expended on ‘diversity’ will be seen as wasted. Once the depression kicks in
2. and more importantly, it has reached its reductio an absurdam. Angels are dancing on pins and are subject to census. Sportsmen are being sacked for dubious tweets BY THEIR WIVES
The pendulum always swings, it will swing again
Did you not see Imperial redid their logo. I doubt that will be enough, Imperial as a name will probably have to go. .
Yes, given their explanation for redoing the logo it made no sense given their name.
I seemed to remember a very excitable poster on here predicting that Coronavirus would be the end of Woke-ism, as Coronavirus was a much bigger problem than anything else.
If the the placards at the protests today are anything to go by, for some racism is the #1 issue in the world that needs to be tackled this second and can only be done in person, and this weights above absolutely everything else, including a virus that disproportionately kills black people.
You maybe referring to me. And I stand by my opinion.
The era of covid-19 (which may last a year or three, like Spanish flu) will see the end of woke-ism. For two reasons
1, it will no longer be affordable. All money expended on ‘diversity’ will be seen as wasted. Once the depression kicks in
It'll be seen as more important than ever, don't kid yourself.
Retrain the police, hold the police better accountable for their action, prosecute them when they break the law, yes.
Defund them, what do the morons think will happen then? Oh wait, we have had a glimpse in areas of cities where the police pulled down / couldn't get through, it was total and utter anarchy.
We are in a pandemic folks. The usual rules don't apply. It seems strange to have to make that point, but right now past performance is not a future guide. Something was bound to kick off. You can't put humanity under existential threat and expect it not to. We had a preview with the Cummings hysteria here. But this happens to be it. How it will shake down I can't tell. But this is the first of many unpredictable eruptions. And what worked before may not work again.
Retrain the police, hold the police better accountable for their action, prosecute them when they break the law, yes.
Defund them, what do the morons think will happen then? Oh wait, we have had a glimpse in areas of cities where the police pulled down / couldn't get through, it was total and utter anarchy.
When the police applaud colleagues charged for beating a 75 year old man, the problem needs more than a bit of diversity training.
Are you really surprised people don't want to fund their oppressors?
I seemed to remember a very excitable poster on here predicting that Coronavirus would be the end of Woke-ism, as Coronavirus was a much bigger problem than anything else.
If the the placards at the protests today are anything to go by, for some racism is the #1 issue in the world that needs to be tackled this second and can only be done in person, and this weights above absolutely everything else, including a virus that disproportionately kills black people.
You maybe referring to me. And I stand by my opinion.
The era of covid-19 (which may last a year or three, like Spanish flu) will see the end of woke-ism. For two reasons
1, it will no longer be affordable. All money expended on ‘diversity’ will be seen as wasted. Once the depression kicks in
2. and more importantly, it has reached its reductio an absurdam. Angels are dancing on pins and are subject to census. Sportsmen are being sacked for dubious tweets BY THEIR WIVES
The pendulum always swings, it will swing again
Which do you think is for the chop first, wokeism, Scottish Indy or the EU?
I seemed to remember a very excitable poster on here predicting that Coronavirus would be the end of Woke-ism, as Coronavirus was a much bigger problem than anything else.
If the the placards at the protests today are anything to go by, for some racism is the #1 issue in the world that needs to be tackled this second and can only be done in person, and this weights above absolutely everything else, including a virus that disproportionately kills black people.
You maybe referring to me. And I stand by my opinion.
The era of covid-19 (which may last a year or three, like Spanish flu) will see the end of woke-ism. For two reasons
1, it will no longer be affordable. All money expended on ‘diversity’ will be seen as wasted. Once the depression kicks in
2. and more importantly, it has reached its reductio an absurdam. Angels are dancing on pins and are subject to census. Sportsmen are being sacked for dubious tweets BY THEIR WIVES
The pendulum always swings, it will swing again
Which do you think is for the chop first, wokeism, Scottish Indy or the EU?
I agree with @eadric that the taking of the knee is the medieval penitent. The rainbows, teddy bears and NHS signs were icons to ward off evil spirits. Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism. The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor. Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud. Things won't be the same again.
Scot Goes Pop / Panelbase poll: Sensation as Scottish voters, by a 3-1 margin, say that the Scottish Government's handling of the pandemic makes them "more confident" that Scotland will be well-governed as an independent country, and that the UK government's response to the crisis makes them "less convinced" that Scotland is safer as part of the UK http://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2020/06/scot-goes-pop-panelbase-poll-sensation.html?m=1 Also 52% again for YES
Actually 48% Yes including Don't Knows and only 34% want indyref2 in the next 2 years
There's more for Yes than for No, which is the key point.
Not really, in Quebec in 1995 Yes to independence from Canada led most final polls but the Don't Knows went No and No won
And this guy is literally the definition of a Woke mayor, and even he can see it is a mental position, but the protesters aren't going to have it.
Its as if BLM is led by a load of Marxists...oh wait it is.
BLM will get stronger as privileged white people donate their organisational and communications expertise ("Daddy's a lawyer", "Mummy's at the Guardian") and larger when it attracts every sort of self-regarding malcontent including Trots, Vegans, Animal Rights activists, health food fanatics and diehard Newbury bypass campaigners. Then it will fall apart as they all start squabbling with each other. Everyone will be disillusioned apart from the Trots who've seen it all before and understand the process perfectly well.
Who'd have thought Joshua would be playing the heel role in Joshua - Fury fight. A turn up for the books.
Joshua is the classy professional while Fury is the everyman living the dream.
Its almost a real life Apollo Creed vs Rocky Balboa.
Fury is much more than that. He is actually highly skilled. For a man of that size, his skills, speed, and footwork are top notch. In both fights against Wilder, he out boxed him handily. And that is true of most of his previous big fights.
He is much more than the hard as nails Gypsy, so i think the Rocky comparison is false.
Agree. His interesting back story and personality distract from the fact that he is a bloody good boxer blessed with the gift of ringcraft.
Retrain the police, hold the police better accountable for their action, prosecute them when they break the law, yes.
Defund them, what do the morons think will happen then? Oh wait, we have had a glimpse in areas of cities where the police pulled down / couldn't get through, it was total and utter anarchy.
When the police applaud colleagues charged for beating a 75 year old man, the problem needs more than a bit of diversity training.
Are you really surprised people don't want to fund their oppressors?
The Democrat party - oppressing the people of Minneapolis since 1978:
I agree with @eadric that the taking of the knee is the medieval penitent. The rainbows, teddy bears and NHS signs were icons to ward off evil spirits. Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism. The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor. Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud. Things won't be the same again.
A lot of people don't want things to be the same again. For a lot of people it wasn't good before.
Labour has quietly got its act together. This has the bones of a winning campaign slogan.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
Just like Mr Attlee!
Ah yes, the 1940s
Do you expect Starmer to do better or worse than Corbyn against Boris? If so, by how much?
50 seat gains (like tonight's polls) would do, wouldn't it?
I would expect Starmer to have done as badly as Corbyn last December when Boris won because of Brexit, and would expect Corbyn to be doing as well as Starmer is now that 40,000 have died from an incurable virus and there are riots on the street
Obviously every election is different. But the question remains the same, can Starmer win 50 seats, and depose a Tory PM? Would you count that as an uncharismatic winner?
Tonights polls say he can.
I must say from your comments in the last thread, about Ed Milibands charisma being something people would have viewed with hindsight, that you can't have understood the gist of my argument. My fault for not making it clearer.
If Starmer was trailing Boris on personality throughout this parliament by anywhere near the margin he is now, yet became PM, then yes of course he would have bucked the trend
But tonight's polls don't say Starmer can win 50 seats, because Ed Miliband was doing a lot better than this in the polls at times, and lost ground, and if I am right about personality, it was there for all to see that he would never be PM
Still not a clear answer.
Would you count 50 Tory losses to Labour as a Starmer victory?
I would, and think that a very plausible outcome at the next GE.
Charisma may be a factor, but it will not be enough to compensate for incompetence.
Well I'm not here standing trial obliged to answer questions the way you want me to!
I'd be pretty amazed if someone trailing on 'personality' by 34 points turned around an 80 seat majority, but maybe Starmer won't be trailing by that amount, we'll have to see. But I'm not that impressed by the current polling, it's par for the course
More significant than the absolute vote shares is the change over a short period. Two months ago , we were looking at Tory leads of up to 26% yetnow the margin appears to be just 2% or 3%.Moreover, the fact of an ongoing national crisis probably means the polls continue to flatter the Tories somewhat - albeit much less so than before. Ted Heath always trailed Wilson in terms of charisma - but still won in 1970.
Having gouged out the bottom and sides of the tv barrel, I've started re-watching Chernobyl and am pleased to report it's as good as I remember. A Covid tinted lens adds a whole new suite of resonances.
I agree with @eadric that the taking of the knee is the medieval penitent. The rainbows, teddy bears and NHS signs were icons to ward off evil spirits. Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism. The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor. Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud. Things won't be the same again.
A lot of people don't want things to be the same again. For a lot of people it wasn't good before.
Labour has quietly got its act together. This has the bones of a winning campaign slogan.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
Just like Mr Attlee!
Ah yes, the 1940s
Do you expect Starmer to do better or worse than Corbyn against Boris? If so, by how much?
50 seat gains (like tonight's polls) would do, wouldn't it?
I would expect Starmer to have done as badly as Corbyn last December when Boris won because of Brexit, and would expect Corbyn to be doing as well as Starmer is now that 40,000 have died from an incurable virus and there are riots on the street
Obviously every election is different. But the question remains the same, can Starmer win 50 seats, and depose a Tory PM? Would you count that as an uncharismatic winner?
Tonights polls say he can.
I must say from your comments in the last thread, about Ed Milibands charisma being something people would have viewed with hindsight, that you can't have understood the gist of my argument. My fault for not making it clearer.
If Starmer was trailing Boris on personality throughout this parliament by anywhere near the margin he is now, yet became PM, then yes of course he would have bucked the trend
But tonight's polls don't say Starmer can win 50 seats, because Ed Miliband was doing a lot better than this in the polls at times, and lost ground, and if I am right about personality, it was there for all to see that he would never be PM
Still not a clear answer.
Would you count 50 Tory losses to Labour as a Starmer victory?
I would, and think that a very plausible outcome at the next GE.
Charisma may be a factor, but it will not be enough to compensate for incompetence.
Well I'm not here standing trial obliged to answer questions the way you want me to!
I'd be pretty amazed if someone trailing on 'personality' by 34 points turned around an 80 seat majority, but maybe Starmer won't be trailing by that amount, we'll have to see. But I'm not that impressed by the current polling, it's par for the course
More significant than the absolute vote shares is the change over a short period. Two months ago , we were looking at Tory leads of up to 26% yetnow the margin appears to be just 2% or 3%.Moreover, the fact of an ongoing national crisis probably means the polls continue to flatter the Tories somewhat - albeit much less so than before. Ted Heath always trailed Wilson in terms of charisma - but still won in 1970.
With his yachting and piano playing Heath should have been quite charismatic whereas Wilson was a bloke with a pipe
I agree with @eadric that the taking of the knee is the medieval penitent. The rainbows, teddy bears and NHS signs were icons to ward off evil spirits. Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism. The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor. Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud. Things won't be the same again.
A lot of people don't want things to be the same again. For a lot of people it wasn't good before.
Labour has quietly got its act together. This has the bones of a winning campaign slogan.
Yes. Whoever understands things have changed will seize the zeitgeist. In general it is the people who were doing well and most content who want everything back to normal. Except there is no normal any more. It's gone.
Also bizarrely patriarchal to hold a man responsible for his wife's opinions.
It’s quite mind boggling
I suspect he could have stayed if he'd been prepared to publicly denounce her.
Yes, maybe he could have ritually paraded her, shaved and naked, through the streets of Santa Monica, to be pelted with cow dung. That would probably have been enough. What is his problem?
Free speech does not mean speech free of consequence.
This was ultimately a capitalist commercial decision. Those comments are anathema to multicultural teams and supporters.
She Ratnered her husband.
You seriously think its ok to punish someone else for the comments of their spouse?
No no no
As a Los Angelino, I think the club made a rational financial decision.
The spouse shared a video of New York police cars driving into a crowd of rioters/protestors to which she added the caption (albeit in Serbian) "kill the ****".
Los Angeles Galaxy is in the South of LA County. It's very close to Compton and Inglewood. LAFC gets most of the Hispanic supporters in LA, while Galaxy skews more African American.
If Galaxy had kept Katai, they would have lost season tickets, and he would have been booed when he was on the pitch.
You may not like what Galaxy did, but I don't really think - from an economic perspective - that had any choice. (I would also point out, he's being paid of his contract, so Katai is going to do fine out of this.)
Who'd have thought Joshua would be playing the heel role in Joshua - Fury fight. A turn up for the books.
I’m worried. There’s something weirdly indestructible about Fury.
Joshua is the more skilled fighter but Fury is a punch sponge.
I’d back Fury to win, despite desperately wanting AJ to beat him.
Also AJ hasn't looked really good for a number of fights. I am not sure he is that much ahead in skill than Fury. As for punch sponge, nobody has ever taken a wilder atom bomb and got up again. There was something super natural about the way Fury did. AJ doesn't have Wilder power, so Fury doesn't have to worry about that so much.
The only way i see AJ beating Fury is by points and narrowly & that is if Fury doesn't perform / isn't focused in his training.
I agree with @eadric that the taking of the knee is the medieval penitent. The rainbows, teddy bears and NHS signs were icons to ward off evil spirits. Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism. The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor. Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud. Things won't be the same again.
A lot of people don't want things to be the same again. For a lot of people it wasn't good before.
Labour has quietly got its act together. This has the bones of a winning campaign slogan.
Yes. Whoever understands things have changed will seize the zeitgeist. In general it is the people who were doing well and most content who want everything back to normal. Except there is no normal any more. It's gone.
That's very likely.
But what follows might be even worse for those who want change.
I am not entirely convinced that waiting lists will double as quickly as the autumn. With GP's not seeing patients, the patients are yet to be referred, therefore no waiting list...
The abolition of private medicine by a Tory government wasn't something I expected. I can see that causing a few ructions in those forking out for insurance.
I agree with @eadric that the taking of the knee is the medieval penitent. The rainbows, teddy bears and NHS signs were icons to ward off evil spirits. Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism. The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor. Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud. Things won't be the same again.
A lot of people don't want things to be the same again. For a lot of people it wasn't good before.
Labour has quietly got its act together. This has the bones of a winning campaign slogan.
Yes. Whoever understands things have changed will seize the zeitgeist. In general it is the people who were doing well and most content who want everything back to normal. Except there is no normal any more. It's gone.
That's very likely.
But what follows might be even worse for those who want change.
normal doesn't happen overnight it takes a day or two
I agree with @eadric that the taking of the knee is the medieval penitent. The rainbows, teddy bears and NHS signs were icons to ward off evil spirits. Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism. The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor. Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud. Things won't be the same again.
A lot of people don't want things to be the same again. For a lot of people it wasn't good before.
Labour has quietly got its act together. This has the bones of a winning campaign slogan.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
Just like Mr Attlee!
Ah yes, the 1940s
Do you expect Starmer to do better or worse than Corbyn against Boris? If so, by how much?
50 seat gains (like tonight's polls) would do, wouldn't it?
I would expect Starmer to have done as badly as Corbyn last December when Boris won because of Brexit, and would expect Corbyn to be doing as well as Starmer is now that 40,000 have died from an incurable virus and there are riots on the street
Obviously every election is different. But the question remains the same, can Starmer win 50 seats, and depose a Tory PM? Would you count that as an uncharismatic winner?
Tonights polls say he can.
I must say from your comments in the last thread, about Ed Milibands charisma being something people would have viewed with hindsight, that you can't have understood the gist of my argument. My fault for not making it clearer.
If Starmer was trailing Boris on personality throughout this parliament by anywhere near the margin he is now, yet became PM, then yes of course he would have bucked the trend
But tonight's polls don't say Starmer can win 50 seats, because Ed Miliband was doing a lot better than this in the polls at times, and lost ground, and if I am right about personality, it was there for all to see that he would never be PM
Still not a clear answer.
Would you count 50 Tory losses to Labour as a Starmer victory?
I would, and think that a very plausible outcome at the next GE.
Charisma may be a factor, but it will not be enough to compensate for incompetence.
Well I'm not here standing trial obliged to answer questions the way you want me to!
I'd be pretty amazed if someone trailing on 'personality' by 34 points turned around an 80 seat majority, but maybe Starmer won't be trailing by that amount, we'll have to see. But I'm not that impressed by the current polling, it's par for the course
More significant than the absolute vote shares is the change over a short period. Two months ago , we were looking at Tory leads of up to 26% yetnow the margin appears to be just 2% or 3%.Moreover, the fact of an ongoing national crisis probably means the polls continue to flatter the Tories somewhat - albeit much less so than before. Ted Heath always trailed Wilson in terms of charisma - but still won in 1970.
With his yachting and piano playing Heath should have been quite charismatic whereas Wilson was a bloke with a pipe
Heath's yacht, Morning Cloud, of course won the 1971 Admiral's Cup
I am not entirely convinced that waiting lists will double as quickly as the autumn. With GP's not seeing patients, the patients are yet to be referred, therefore no waiting list...
The abolition of private medicine by a Tory government wasn't something I expected. I can see that causing a few ructions in those forking out for insurance.
waiting and NHS are peas in a pod and have been for years. It's what's expected - it's normal.
Just having a quick look a reported new cases in various US cities. All I have looked at that have big protests, new cases were all falling until 10 days ago, now on the rise. NY, Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, Atlanta.
Portland were down a low of 18 new cases 26th May, now 96 and been consistently trending up daily for past 5 days.
Left wing/Remain haters of Boris and Cummings had a gilt edged opportunity to claim the higher ground here, by criticising the BLM breaking of lockdown with the same vigour they did Big Bad Dom.
They just couldn't bring themselves to do it. It's all about scoring points & taking sides.
I’m not sure why you feel the need to conflate left-wing and remain in this way.
But anyway I think these demos are bloody stupid. The violence is unnecessary. The hysteria ridiculous.
The anger and upset at the awful death of one man in US is no doubt sincerely felt by some but there is a lot of “look at me” protesting going on which adds nothing and, arguably, detracts from the very real problems encountered by black people in the US and elsewhere.
And, yes, given this blasted virus is not yet beaten, it is absurd to breach the lockdown in such a way.
Because it's left wingers and Remainers who hate Boris and Dom!
You strike me as quite left wing, reading your posts @isam
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
Keir Starmer appears anodyne, hasn't had to make any policy decisions (so hasn't had to upset anyone) and is not Jeremy Corbyn. This is all we need to explain why he is doing well. He looks reasonable and doesn't frighten anybody.
If he builds a substantial lead as best PM *and* manages to hold onto it until he's within sight of the next General Election, then the Conservatives might start to worry. Right now the polls give us something new to talk about, but they're supremely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
If I were the Conservatives, I’d be more worried about the rise in Sir Keir’s ratings than the fall in Boris Johnson’s. It’s not as though he’s done much, so it looks like a reflection of growing antipathy to the Conservatives, and an increased warmth to the Labour leader as an instinctive reaction.
He's boring, he cannot win
Can't you people read?
Just like Mr Attlee!
Ah yes, the 1940s
Do you expect Starmer to do better or worse than Corbyn against Boris? If so, by how much?
50 seat gains (like tonight's polls) would do, wouldn't it?
I would expect Starmer to have done as badly as Corbyn last December when Boris won because of Brexit, and would expect Corbyn to be doing as well as Starmer is now that 40,000 have died from an incurable virus and there are riots on the street
Obviously every election is different. But the question remains the same, can Starmer win 50 seats, and depose a Tory PM? Would you count that as an uncharismatic winner?
Tonights polls say he can.
I must say from your comments in the last thread, about Ed Milibands charisma being something people would have viewed with hindsight, that you can't have understood the gist of my argument. My fault for not making it clearer.
If Starmer was trailing Boris on personality throughout this parliament by anywhere near the margin he is now, yet became PM, then yes of course he would have bucked the trend
But tonight's polls don't say Starmer can win 50 seats, because Ed Miliband was doing a lot better than this in the polls at times, and lost ground, and if I am right about personality, it was there for all to see that he would never be PM
Still not a clear answer.
Would you count 50 Tory losses to Labour as a Starmer victory?
I would, and think that a very plausible outcome at the next GE.
Charisma may be a factor, but it will not be enough to compensate for incompetence.
Well I'm not here standing trial obliged to answer questions the way you want me to!
I'd be pretty amazed if someone trailing on 'personality' by 34 points turned around an 80 seat majority, but maybe Starmer won't be trailing by that amount, we'll have to see. But I'm not that impressed by the current polling, it's par for the course
More significant than the absolute vote shares is the change over a short period. Two months ago , we were looking at Tory leads of up to 26% yetnow the margin appears to be just 2% or 3%.Moreover, the fact of an ongoing national crisis probably means the polls continue to flatter the Tories somewhat - albeit much less so than before. Ted Heath always trailed Wilson in terms of charisma - but still won in 1970.
With his yachting and piano playing Heath should have been quite charismatic whereas Wilson was a bloke with a pipe
Heath's yacht, Morning Cloud, of course won the 1971 Admiral's Cup
Wilson famously swapped his cigar for a pipe at the front door of no.10
I agree with @eadric that the taking of the knee is the medieval penitent. The rainbows, teddy bears and NHS signs were icons to ward off evil spirits. Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism. The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor. Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud. Things won't be the same again.
A lot of people don't want things to be the same again. For a lot of people it wasn't good before.
Labour has quietly got its act together. This has the bones of a winning campaign slogan.
I agree with @eadric that the taking of the knee is the medieval penitent. The rainbows, teddy bears and NHS signs were icons to ward off evil spirits. Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism. The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor. Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud. Things won't be the same again.
A lot of people don't want things to be the same again. For a lot of people it wasn't good before.
Labour has quietly got its act together. This has the bones of a winning campaign slogan.
Yes. Whoever understands things have changed will seize the zeitgeist. In general it is the people who were doing well and most content who want everything back to normal. Except there is no normal any more. It's gone.
Absolutely. This is a watershed moment, the point in history when things change. The successes of the coming decade will be forged in the next year or so and the fascinating thing is that the virus has handed the opportunity to the young. The last couple of decades have seen an older generation clinging onto their power but that, surely, is a balloon that has popped. It’s over.
As for now, youth owns the streets. Literally. They have little danger from the virus in a time when those older have to be more careful.
Just having a quick look a reported new cases in various US cities. All I have looked at that have big protests, new cases were all falling until 10 days ago, now on the rise. NY, Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, Atlanta.
Portland were down a low of 18 new cases 26th May, now 96 and been consistently trending up daily for past 5 days.
I agree with @eadric that the taking of the knee is the medieval penitent. The rainbows, teddy bears and NHS signs were icons to ward off evil spirits. Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism. The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor. Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud. Things won't be the same again.
A lot of people don't want things to be the same again. For a lot of people it wasn't good before.
Labour has quietly got its act together. This has the bones of a winning campaign slogan.
I agree with @eadric that the taking of the knee is the medieval penitent. The rainbows, teddy bears and NHS signs were icons to ward off evil spirits. Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism. The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor. Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud. Things won't be the same again.
A lot of people don't want things to be the same again. For a lot of people it wasn't good before.
Labour has quietly got its act together. This has the bones of a winning campaign slogan.
Yes. Whoever understands things have changed will seize the zeitgeist. In general it is the people who were doing well and most content who want everything back to normal. Except there is no normal any more. It's gone.
Absolutely. This is a watershed moment, the point in history when things change. The successes of the coming decade will be forged in the next year or so and the fascinating thing is that the virus has handed the opportunity to the young. The last couple of decades have seen an older generation clinging onto their power but that, surely, is a balloon that has popped. It’s over.
As for now, youth owns the streets. Literally. They have little danger from the virus in a time when those older have to be more careful.
Physical presence on the streets isn't what it used to be. It's all on line now don't you know
I agree with @eadric that the taking of the knee is the medieval penitent. The rainbows, teddy bears and NHS signs were icons to ward off evil spirits. Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism. The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor. Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud. Things won't be the same again.
A lot of people don't want things to be the same again. For a lot of people it wasn't good before.
Labour has quietly got its act together. This has the bones of a winning campaign slogan.
Yes. Whoever understands things have changed will seize the zeitgeist. In general it is the people who were doing well and most content who want everything back to normal. Except there is no normal any more. It's gone.
Absolutely. This is a watershed moment, the point in history when things change. The successes of the coming decade will be forged in the next year or so and the fascinating thing is that the virus has handed the opportunity to the young. The last couple of decades have seen an older generation clinging onto their power but that, surely, is a balloon that has popped. It’s over.
As for now, youth owns the streets. Literally. They have little danger from the virus in a time when those older have to be more careful.
I agree with @eadric that the taking of the knee is the medieval penitent. The rainbows, teddy bears and NHS signs were icons to ward off evil spirits. Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism. The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor. Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud. Things won't be the same again.
A lot of people don't want things to be the same again. For a lot of people it wasn't good before.
Labour has quietly got its act together. This has the bones of a winning campaign slogan.
Yes. Whoever understands things have changed will seize the zeitgeist. In general it is the people who were doing well and most content who want everything back to normal. Except there is no normal any more. It's gone.
Absolutely. This is a watershed moment, the point in history when things change. The successes of the coming decade will be forged in the next year or so and the fascinating thing is that the virus has handed the opportunity to the young. The last couple of decades have seen an older generation clinging onto their power but that, surely, is a balloon that has popped. It’s over.
As for now, youth owns the streets. Literally. They have little danger from the virus in a time when those older have to be more careful.
Physical presence on the streets isn't what it used to be. It's all on line now don't you know
Metaphorically as well. Anyone wedded to ‘how things were’ is going to find it difficult if they try and painstakingly pick up the pieces and stick them back together but the young and those who had little to lose are well placed.
Who'd have thought Joshua would be playing the heel role in Joshua - Fury fight. A turn up for the books.
I’m worried. There’s something weirdly indestructible about Fury.
Joshua is the more skilled fighter but Fury is a punch sponge.
I’d back Fury to win, despite desperately wanting AJ to beat him.
Also AJ hasn't looked really good for a number of fights. I am not sure he is that much ahead in skill than Fury. As for punch sponge, nobody has ever taken a wilder atom bomb and got up again. There was something super natural about the way Fury did. AJ doesn't have Wilder power, so Fury doesn't have to worry about that so much.
The only way i see AJ beating Fury is by points and narrowly & that is if Fury doesn't perform / isn't focused in his training.
Agreed. The points win is the only route for AJ. Dance like an absolute ballerina and work him around the ring.
I agree with @eadric that the taking of the knee is the medieval penitent. The rainbows, teddy bears and NHS signs were icons to ward off evil spirits. Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism. The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor. Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud. Things won't be the same again.
A lot of people don't want things to be the same again. For a lot of people it wasn't good before.
Labour has quietly got its act together. This has the bones of a winning campaign slogan.
Yes. Whoever understands things have changed will seize the zeitgeist. In general it is the people who were doing well and most content who want everything back to normal. Except there is no normal any more. It's gone.
Absolutely. This is a watershed moment, the point in history when things change. The successes of the coming decade will be forged in the next year or so and the fascinating thing is that the virus has handed the opportunity to the young. The last couple of decades have seen an older generation clinging onto their power but that, surely, is a balloon that has popped. It’s over.
As for now, youth owns the streets. Literally. They have little danger from the virus in a time when those older have to be more careful.
And what can they do by 'owning the streets' ?
Isn't owning the streets what the Krays and Richardsons used to do? Worked out well for them?
I agree with @eadric that the taking of the knee is the medieval penitent. The rainbows, teddy bears and NHS signs were icons to ward off evil spirits. Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism. The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor. Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud. Things won't be the same again.
A lot of people don't want things to be the same again. For a lot of people it wasn't good before.
Labour has quietly got its act together. This has the bones of a winning campaign slogan.
Yes. Whoever understands things have changed will seize the zeitgeist. In general it is the people who were doing well and most content who want everything back to normal. Except there is no normal any more. It's gone.
Absolutely. This is a watershed moment, the point in history when things change. The successes of the coming decade will be forged in the next year or so and the fascinating thing is that the virus has handed the opportunity to the young. The last couple of decades have seen an older generation clinging onto their power but that, surely, is a balloon that has popped. It’s over.
As for now, youth owns the streets. Literally. They have little danger from the virus in a time when those older have to be more careful.
Physical presence on the streets isn't what it used to be. It's all on line now don't you know
Metaphorically as well. Anyone wedded to ‘how things were’ is going to find it difficult if they try and painstakingly pick up the pieces and stick them back together but the young and those who had little to lose are well placed.
Who'd have thought Joshua would be playing the heel role in Joshua - Fury fight. A turn up for the books.
I’m worried. There’s something weirdly indestructible about Fury.
Joshua is the more skilled fighter but Fury is a punch sponge.
I’d back Fury to win, despite desperately wanting AJ to beat him.
Also AJ hasn't looked really good for a number of fights. I am not sure he is that much ahead in skill than Fury. As for punch sponge, nobody has ever taken a wilder atom bomb and got up again. There was something super natural about the way Fury did. AJ doesn't have Wilder power, so Fury doesn't have to worry about that so much.
The only way i see AJ beating Fury is by points and narrowly & that is if Fury doesn't perform / isn't focused in his training.
Agreed. The points win is the only route for AJ. Dance like an absolute ballerina and work him around the ring.
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He is much more than the hard as nails Gypsy, so i think the Rocky comparison is false.
A minority government, dependent upon the SNP, having to pursue an 'export or starve' strategy.
As I remember you're an advocate of 'sound money' - be careful what you wish for
Fury looks like a bloke on one of those programs about gypsies whereas Joshua was the Olympic champion.
https://www.twitter.com/NPR/status/1269299004866809862
https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/05/17/28-weeks-later-the-coronavirus-aftermath-for-the-nhs-and-its-political-implications/
Interesting to see the command and control system and nationalisation of Private Hospitals is to continue...
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1269387974766198784?s=09
If the the placards at the protests today are anything to go by, for some racism is the #1 issue in the world that needs to be tackled this second and can only be done in person, and this weights above absolutely everything else, including a virus that disproportionately kills black people.
The problem with your argument is that there are a *lot* of solid Labour voters who went Tory last December or at the very least stayed at home. Labour needs to win them back, you can't right us all off as traitors
"So, over the last 10 years, a white individual who has been arrested was about 25% more likely to die in custody than a black individual who had been arrested."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52890363
Tonights polls say he can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMMsgGc4htM
Yeh, your take over of the party of Lincoln seems complete.
When this is all over though, none of them will confess to having known you.
If Starmer was trailing Boris on personality throughout this parliament by anywhere near the margin he is now, yet became PM, then yes of course he would have bucked the trend
But tonight's polls don't say Starmer can win 50 seats, because Ed Miliband was doing a lot better than this in the polls at times, and lost ground, and if I am right about personality, it was there for all to see that he would never be PM
"When you compare these figures to how much of the population these groups make up (as measured by the 2011 census), black people are more than twice as likely to die in police custody."
In other words, Black people are not more likely to die than other arrested people, but are twice as likely to be arrested in the first place.
Not quite such a refutation is it?
Once the police have been dealt with, it will be all the institutions.
Did you not see Imperial redid their logo. I doubt that will be enough, Imperial as a name will probably have to go.
I think we might well see the opposite, using the springboard of legitimate issues, a massive expansion in the woke-ism industry.
https://youtu.be/kK-TDfempwY
Would you count 50 Tory losses to Labour as a Starmer victory?
I would, and think that a very plausible outcome at the next GE.
Charisma may be a factor, but it will not be enough to compensate for incompetence.
Its as if BLM is led by a load of Marxists...oh wait it is.
I'd be pretty amazed if someone trailing on 'personality' by 34 points turned around an 80 seat majority, but maybe Starmer won't be trailing by that amount, we'll have to see. But I'm not that impressed by the current polling, it's par for the course
https://twitter.com/kumailn/status/1269350466900488193?s=19
Defund them, what do the morons think will happen then? Oh wait, we have had a glimpse in areas of cities where the police pulled down / couldn't get through, it was total and utter anarchy.
It seems strange to have to make that point, but right now past performance is not a future guide.
Something was bound to kick off. You can't put humanity under existential threat and expect it not to.
We had a preview with the Cummings hysteria here.
But this happens to be it. How it will shake down I can't tell. But this is the first of many unpredictable eruptions. And what worked before may not work again.
Are you really surprised people don't want to fund their oppressors?
Forces are at play here which predate Capitalism and Consumerism.
The image of a knee on the neck choking out life is visceral and primordial. It serves as a metaphor.
Plaintive cries of "Let's get back to the way things were" are howling at a cloud.
Things won't be the same again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Minneapolis
Labour has quietly got its act together. This has the bones of a winning campaign slogan.
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1269212939279462401?s=19
Ted Heath always trailed Wilson in terms of charisma - but still won in 1970.
But.
Still no clear date for pubs to open that I could see.
#backboneofbritain
Joshua is the more skilled fighter but Fury is a punch sponge.
I’d back Fury to win, despite desperately wanting AJ to beat him.
In general it is the people who were doing well and most content who want everything back to normal.
Except there is no normal any more.
It's gone.
The spouse shared a video of New York police cars driving into a crowd of rioters/protestors to which she added the caption (albeit in Serbian) "kill the ****".
Los Angeles Galaxy is in the South of LA County. It's very close to Compton and Inglewood. LAFC gets most of the Hispanic supporters in LA, while Galaxy skews more African American.
If Galaxy had kept Katai, they would have lost season tickets, and he would have been booed when he was on the pitch.
You may not like what Galaxy did, but I don't really think - from an economic perspective - that had any choice. (I would also point out, he's being paid of his contract, so Katai is going to do fine out of this.)
The only way i see AJ beating Fury is by points and narrowly & that is if Fury doesn't perform / isn't focused in his training.
But what follows might be even worse for those who want change.
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1269413184756240384?s=19
I am not entirely convinced that waiting lists will double as quickly as the autumn. With GP's not seeing patients, the patients are yet to be referred, therefore no waiting list...
The abolition of private medicine by a Tory government wasn't something I expected. I can see that causing a few ructions in those forking out for insurance.
Portland were down a low of 18 new cases 26th May, now 96 and been consistently trending up daily for past 5 days.
Early days, but still.
As for now, youth owns the streets. Literally. They have little danger from the virus in a time when those older have to be more careful.
A Labour government promising a new New Jerusalem and then offering 'export or starve' will rip itself apart very quickly.
Park drinking on sunny Saturdays is de rigueur.