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Ipsos-MORI, Britain’s oldest polling firm, has just produced its latest leader ratings and the trend is very similar to what we’ve seen from other pollsters. Johnson has taken a hit while Starmer has continued to rise.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
Not true. Barnier is trying to get Boris to agree to things that were not agreed to in the PD.
Take Level Playing Field for instance, the PD says there should be LPF commitments commensurate with the type of free trade agreement agreed. Fair enough.
The UK have responded in this phase of negotiations saying basically "OK we want a Canadian style Trade Agreement with Canadian style LPF agreements as you've already agreed with Canada". That meets the LPF commitments agreed in the WA.
Barnier responds by saying "No" and trying to force something unprecedented that was never part of the PD.
The PD doesn't mean we're committed to whatever form of LPF that the EU wants us to agree to.
On topic, I wouldn't expect Boris to get back to his April peak, which was a freak number resulting from the 9/11 effect where when a leader massively fails and causes lots of voters to die, the voters who are still alive rally behind them as they belatedly and incompetently engage with the enemy.
I'd say the Jan numbers represent something more like normal service.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
This may be news to you but Theresa Villiers isn't DEFRA Secretary anymore.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
This may be news to you but Theresa Villiers isn't DEFRA Secretary anymore.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
Not true. Barnier is trying to get Boris to agree to things that were not agreed to in the PD.
Take Level Playing Field for instance, the PD says there should be LPF commitments commensurate with the type of free trade agreement agreed. Fair enough.
The UK have responded in this phase of negotiations saying basically "OK we want a Canadian style Trade Agreement with Canadian style LPF agreements as you've already agreed with Canada". That meets the LPF commitments agreed in the WA.
Barnier responds by saying "No" and trying to force something unprecedented that was never part of the PD.
The PD doesn't mean we're committed to whatever form of LPF that the EU wants us to agree to.
The reverse is equally possible - Canada is LPF lite i.e. far lighter than was anticipated within the PD.
The problem is that it wasn't explicitly defined in the PD only roughly sketched out which means it's likely both interpretations are valid.
As a matter of interest, has any PBer ever seen or heard of a cyclist being nicked for speeding?
It's going to become much more common as battery-assisted bikes become widespread - these are very rapidly improving in weight and performance, so will become quite common in future. They have software limits to the speed assist, but often are quite easy to hack to 40mph+ boost in some cases.
It would probably be "no insurance" or "no tax" in those circs, as such would be a motorbike not a bicycle. Ebikes have an assist speed limit of 15mph.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
Desperate times and stupid deadlines leave Boris with no choice but to ignore what was previously stated and accept whatever terms he can to have something to show for it.
See November when things offered and completely rejected by May are presented by Boris as a great victory.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
This may be news to you but Theresa Villiers isn't DEFRA Secretary anymore.
It may be news to you, but she wasn't replaced because she promised that the UK would not lower its animal welfare standards in order to secure a trade deal with Donald Trump.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
...oh that's all right then.... I keep forgetting that whenever anyone tries to put a point of view they come up against the "little Englander brexiteer f**k off to europe if you like it so much" brick wall!
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
Not true. Barnier is trying to get Boris to agree to things that were not agreed to in the PD.
Take Level Playing Field for instance, the PD says there should be LPF commitments commensurate with the type of free trade agreement agreed. Fair enough.
The UK have responded in this phase of negotiations saying basically "OK we want a Canadian style Trade Agreement with Canadian style LPF agreements as you've already agreed with Canada". That meets the LPF commitments agreed in the WA.
Barnier responds by saying "No" and trying to force something unprecedented that was never part of the PD.
The PD doesn't mean we're committed to whatever form of LPF that the EU wants us to agree to.
The reverse is equally possible - Canada is LPF lite i.e. far lighter than was anticipated within the PD.
The problem is that it wasn't explicitly defined in the PD only roughly sketched out which means it's likely both interpretations are valid.
Nothing in the PD says the LPF will be heavier than what Canada got, though certainly that may be what Barnier meant it isn't what they'd agreed.
Furthermore if the EU wanted to determine these issues in the prior stage we could have done so. The UK wanted to sort out these issues in the prior stage of negotiations, it was the EU's desire to sort out the legally binding Withdrawal Agreement on the EU's choice of matters first. It was the EU's desire to not decide these trade matters in the prior stage.
Either way its abundantly clear there's absolutely ZERO reason to extend transition. There's no point extending if you can't even get an agreement on where you want to reach.
"Good polling news for Labour, as three consecutive polls suggest the party has pulled ahead. Survation shows Labour four points ahead of the Tories (35 per cent to 31 per cent), Panelbase has it six points ahead (37 per cent to 31 per cent), and TNS gives the party a three-point lead (33 per cent to 31 per cent).
Survation also shows Ed Miliband beating David Cameron in net approval ratings for the first time."
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
That's could an agreement - both sides reach a decision based on their red lines. For the EU there are red lines that we won't accept which means No Deal and a very bleak future for those people who don't sell invisible exports..
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
We reported earlier on that appeal by the husband of railworker Belly Mujinga, who died after being spat at in Victoria Station*.
Now the Crown Prosecution Service has been asked to review evidence into her coronavirus-related death in "recognition of wider public interest", although the case is not being reopened, the police said.
The man alleged to have spat at Mujinga, 47, who died with Covid-19 on 5 April, claimed to have coronavirus.
But, following "extensive inquiries", British Transport Police (BTP) concluded last month the attack did not lead to her death.
The force also said no further action would be taken against a 57-year-old man interviewed by officers.
The BBC understands that the man, who was the main suspect, had a negative antibody test in the time after the incident.
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What a waste of time? It has been investigated and the crucial thing is that the thug hasn't had coronavirus, so the initial story can't be true.
What are they going to say to the husband, who clearly doesn't accept the initial investigation? We have looked again, and it is still true. And will he accept that then?
* Furthermore, the investigation failed to find that she was even spat at during the confrontation.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
If Britain is run by liars and cheats then its a good thing surely. All the better to deal with the liars and cheats than run the rest of the world.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
Desperate times and stupid deadlines leave Boris with no choice but to ignore what was previously stated and accept whatever terms he can to have something to show for it.
See November when things offered and completely rejected by May are presented by Boris as a great victory.
Boris negotiated that Stormont could unilaterally terminate the special arrangements he agreed.
When did May negotiate that Stormont could unilaterally terminate the backstop?
We reported earlier on that appeal by the husband of railworker Belly Mujinga, who died after being spat at in Victoria Station.
Now the Crown Prosecution Service has been asked to review evidence into her coronavirus-related death in "recognition of wider public interest", although the case is not being reopened, the police said.
The man alleged to have spat at Mujinga, 47, who died with Covid-19 on 5 April, claimed to have coronavirus.
But, following "extensive inquiries", British Transport Police (BTP) concluded last month the attack did not lead to her death.
The force also said no further action would be taken against a 57-year-old man interviewed by officers.
The BBC understands that the man, who was the main suspect, had a negative antibody test in the time after the incident.
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What a waste of time? It has been investigated and the crucial thing is that the thug hasn't had coronavirus, so the initial story can't be true.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
Nope, the UK can do as it wishes. But if it wants a trade deal with the EU it will have to agree to certain conditions. If it doesn't, there will be no deal. In the same way, the UK will have to lower its animal welfare standards if it wants to do a trade deal with the US. Our power is the power to say no. We then live with the consequences.
We reported earlier on that appeal by the husband of railworker Belly Mujinga, who died after being spat at in Victoria Station.
Now the Crown Prosecution Service has been asked to review evidence into her coronavirus-related death in "recognition of wider public interest", although the case is not being reopened, the police said.
The man alleged to have spat at Mujinga, 47, who died with Covid-19 on 5 April, claimed to have coronavirus.
But, following "extensive inquiries", British Transport Police (BTP) concluded last month the attack did not lead to her death.
The force also said no further action would be taken against a 57-year-old man interviewed by officers.
The BBC understands that the man, who was the main suspect, had a negative antibody test in the time after the incident.
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What a waste of time? It has been investigated and the crucial thing is that the thug hasn't had coronavirus, so the initial story can't be true.
Sounds like it'll be a quick review then.
I honestly don't see its purpose. If the husband doesn't believe the initial investigation, why would he believe this new one?
Unfortunately the reality of working in a customer facing role during a pandemic means you are extremely exposed to coming into contact with carriers and your colleagues more likely to have, and so it could have been any number of interactions. And can also still be away from work.
We reported earlier on that appeal by the husband of railworker Belly Mujinga, who died after being spat at in Victoria Station*.
Now the Crown Prosecution Service has been asked to review evidence into her coronavirus-related death in "recognition of wider public interest", although the case is not being reopened, the police said.
The man alleged to have spat at Mujinga, 47, who died with Covid-19 on 5 April, claimed to have coronavirus.
But, following "extensive inquiries", British Transport Police (BTP) concluded last month the attack did not lead to her death.
The force also said no further action would be taken against a 57-year-old man interviewed by officers.
The BBC understands that the man, who was the main suspect, had a negative antibody test in the time after the incident.
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What a waste of time? It has been investigated and the crucial thing is that the thug hasn't had coronavirus, so the initial story can't be true.
What are they going to say to the husband, who clearly doesn't accept the initial investigation? We have looked again, and it is still true. And will he accept that then?
* Furthermore, the investigation failed to find that she was even spat at during the confrontation.
The initial story can be true. The story was that he spat at her and said he had coronavirus.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
Nope, the UK can do as it wishes. But if it wants a trade deal with the EU it will have to agree to certain conditions. If it doesn't, there will be no deal. In the same way, the UK will have to lower its animal welfare standards if it wants to do a trade deal with the US. Our power is the power to say no. We then live with the consequences.
So like how Canada agreed LPF conditions when it negotiated a trade deal with the EU? Which the UK is offering to copy and paste.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
Nope, the UK can do as it wishes. But if it wants a trade deal with the EU it will have to agree to certain conditions. If it doesn't, there will be no deal. In the same way, the UK will have to lower its animal welfare standards if it wants to do a trade deal with the US. Our power is the power to say no. We then live with the consequences.
But we want to eat cake and still have it. It is SOOOO unfair.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
Desperate times and stupid deadlines leave Boris with no choice but to ignore what was previously stated and accept whatever terms he can to have something to show for it.
See November when things offered and completely rejected by May are presented by Boris as a great victory.
Boris negotiated that Stormont could unilaterally terminate the special arrangements he agreed.
When did May negotiate that Stormont could unilaterally terminate the backstop?
Citation needed please. Or are you telling fibs?
May rejected it out of hand because she didn't want Northern Ireland to be treated differently to the rest of the UK (a key DUP requirement). So there was no need to negotiate special arrangements as they were not acceptable to a Unionist.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
We never committed to what Barnier wants us to commit to now.
And the reason we never did is because Barnier insisted that what we're discussing now couldn't be discussed then. That was the EU's choice not ours. May's government wanted to tackle these free trade issues and the EU said no.
This blog entry makes the point (in the context of domestic abuse) that even well-intentioned apps can be misused.
A couple of examples:
The connected doorbell app that allows you to remotely see who is at the door was built with safety in mind. However, the motion capture functionality can be used to monitor and entrap victims, with instant notifications being sent when an attempt is made to leave the home.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
Nope, the UK can do as it wishes. But if it wants a trade deal with the EU it will have to agree to certain conditions. If it doesn't, there will be no deal. In the same way, the UK will have to lower its animal welfare standards if it wants to do a trade deal with the US. Our power is the power to say no. We then live with the consequences.
So like how Canada agreed LPF conditions when it negotiated a trade deal with the EU? Which the UK is offering to copy and paste.
The Britannia Satellite Positioning system that only last year had the Fireplace Salesman enjoying his first high quality erection since 2011 has also quietly been shelved.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid and were originally offered a Canada style deal
The EU in your words 'ratted' on it
There are no good outcomes here and as Germany takes over the EU presidency the word out of Germany that Merkel wants a deal and by September is promising
There is no point in extended the deadlock paying billions more into the EU
We reported earlier on that appeal by the husband of railworker Belly Mujinga, who died after being spat at in Victoria Station*.
Now the Crown Prosecution Service has been asked to review evidence into her coronavirus-related death in "recognition of wider public interest", although the case is not being reopened, the police said.
The man alleged to have spat at Mujinga, 47, who died with Covid-19 on 5 April, claimed to have coronavirus.
But, following "extensive inquiries", British Transport Police (BTP) concluded last month the attack did not lead to her death.
The force also said no further action would be taken against a 57-year-old man interviewed by officers.
The BBC understands that the man, who was the main suspect, had a negative antibody test in the time after the incident.
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What a waste of time? It has been investigated and the crucial thing is that the thug hasn't had coronavirus, so the initial story can't be true.
What are they going to say to the husband, who clearly doesn't accept the initial investigation? We have looked again, and it is still true. And will he accept that then?
* Furthermore, the investigation failed to find that she was even spat at during the confrontation.
The initial story can be true. The story was that he spat at her and said he had coronavirus.
Doesn't mean he couldn't have lied.
No, the initial media reporting was that she died after contracting CV from an confrontation with an individual with coronavirus who spat at her.
During the BLM, a BBC reporter incorrectly repeated this and the protest included a comparison of this case vs one of a white police officer, who was spat at by a coronavirus positive thug, and the thug went down, as an example of racial discrimination.
It is like comparing Michael Brown case with George Floyd when it comes to police brutality of African Americans in the US.
The BTP investigation found no evidence of being spat at, and absolutely crucially the suspect hasn't had coronavirus, so she couldn't have died from this altercation, thus the comparison to the handling of case of the white police officer is not true.
In these heighten times, it is crucial we get the facts correct. We don't want another Mark Duggan type incident, where people's anger is falsely fuelled by reports of a nice young family man gunned down by the police, when the truth was an armed career criminal.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
We never committed to what Barnier wants us to commit to now.
And the reason we never did is because Barnier insisted that what we're discussing now couldn't be discussed then. That was the EU's choice not ours. May's government wanted to tackle these free trade issues and the EU said no.
Britain committed to an approach. Was that done in bad faith?
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
Not true. Barnier is trying to get Boris to agree to things that were not agreed to in the PD.
Take Level Playing Field for instance, the PD says there should be LPF commitments commensurate with the type of free trade agreement agreed. Fair enough.
The UK have responded in this phase of negotiations saying basically "OK we want a Canadian style Trade Agreement with Canadian style LPF agreements as you've already agreed with Canada". That meets the LPF commitments agreed in the WA.
Barnier responds by saying "No" and trying to force something unprecedented that was never part of the PD.
The PD doesn't mean we're committed to whatever form of LPF that the EU wants us to agree to.
The reverse is equally possible - Canada is LPF lite i.e. far lighter than was anticipated within the PD.
The problem is that it wasn't explicitly defined in the PD only roughly sketched out which means it's likely both interpretations are valid.
Nothing in the PD says the LPF will be heavier than what Canada got
Really? 77. Given the Union and the United Kingdom's geographic proximity and economic interdependence, the future relationship must ensure open and fair competition, encompassing robust commitments to ensure a level playing field.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid and were originally offered a Canada style deal
The EU in your words 'ratted' on it
There are no good outcomes here and as Germany takes over the EU presidency the word out of Germany that Merkel wants a deal and by September is promising
There is no point in extended the deadlock paying billions more into the EU
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
Desperate times and stupid deadlines leave Boris with no choice but to ignore what was previously stated and accept whatever terms he can to have something to show for it.
See November when things offered and completely rejected by May are presented by Boris as a great victory.
Boris negotiated that Stormont could unilaterally terminate the special arrangements he agreed.
When did May negotiate that Stormont could unilaterally terminate the backstop?
Citation needed please. Or are you telling fibs?
May rejected it out of hand because she didn't want Northern Ireland to be treated differently to the rest of the UK (a key DUP requirement). So there was no need to negotiate special arrangements as they were not acceptable to a Unionist.
Which was stupid, because NI has a devolved administration and it makes sense to devolve special arrangements consent to that devolved administration in the long term.
So Boris negotiated something May didn't even consider then didn't he?
We reported earlier on that appeal by the husband of railworker Belly Mujinga, who died after being spat at in Victoria Station*.
Now the Crown Prosecution Service has been asked to review evidence into her coronavirus-related death in "recognition of wider public interest", although the case is not being reopened, the police said.
The man alleged to have spat at Mujinga, 47, who died with Covid-19 on 5 April, claimed to have coronavirus.
But, following "extensive inquiries", British Transport Police (BTP) concluded last month the attack did not lead to her death.
The force also said no further action would be taken against a 57-year-old man interviewed by officers.
The BBC understands that the man, who was the main suspect, had a negative antibody test in the time after the incident.
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What a waste of time? It has been investigated and the crucial thing is that the thug hasn't had coronavirus, so the initial story can't be true.
What are they going to say to the husband, who clearly doesn't accept the initial investigation? We have looked again, and it is still true. And will he accept that then?
* Furthermore, the investigation failed to find that she was even spat at during the confrontation.
The initial story can be true. The story was that he spat at her and said he had coronavirus.
Doesn't mean he couldn't have lied.
If there was any evidence of him spitting at someone, he’d surely have been charged with assault?
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
Nope, the UK can do as it wishes. But if it wants a trade deal with the EU it will have to agree to certain conditions. If it doesn't, there will be no deal. In the same way, the UK will have to lower its animal welfare standards if it wants to do a trade deal with the US. Our power is the power to say no. We then live with the consequences.
You really need face to face negotiations. The remote ones caused by the virus are part of the problem . In terms of level playing field commitments not sure why the UK refuses to keep the current EU minimum for workers and the environment as the government keeps telling everyone they won’t be lowering them below that level , unless of course they’re lying !
I think that Alok Sharma is one of the less useless ministers, and I wish him well. His coronavirus test was announced to be negative, but so it is in 30% of Covid19 cases. If this really was just "a bad case of hayfever" as one MP suggested, he would have been wheeled out on public show. Clearly Cummings and Boris (or Cummings and Goings) and Moggy know what a disaster it would be if he had been announced to be positive. Perhaps he has just been told to hide and they are hoping for the best. Perhaps the test wasn't negative (he's as entitled to medical privacy, as we all are). If he does have Covid19 he is in a high risk group, BAME, male, middle aged and overweight. I suppose they could always bury him at sea if all else fails. Poor chap.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid and were originally offered a Canada style deal
The EU in your words 'ratted' on it
There are no good outcomes here and as Germany takes over the EU presidency the word out of Germany that Merkel wants a deal and by September is promising
There is no point in extended the deadlock paying billions more into the EU
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid
So you think Leave campaigners like Michael Gove who said we would be inside the trade zone that stretches from Iceland to the Russian border were lying, and all Leave voters knew they were lying?
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
Nope, the UK can do as it wishes. But if it wants a trade deal with the EU it will have to agree to certain conditions. If it doesn't, there will be no deal. In the same way, the UK will have to lower its animal welfare standards if it wants to do a trade deal with the US. Our power is the power to say no. We then live with the consequences.
So like how Canada agreed LPF conditions when it negotiated a trade deal with the EU? Which the UK is offering to copy and paste.
Something like that, is that what you mean?
I cannot second guess the EU's motives. However, I suspect that if it doesn't believe that what the UK is offering is in its best interests it will not agree to what the UK is offering. Our choice is then to back down or walk away and to live with the consequences. It looks like we are going to walk away. I think we are best off doing it sooner rather than later as that way we may stand more chance of mitigating at least some of the harm.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid and were originally offered a Canada style deal
The EU in your words 'ratted' on it
There are no good outcomes here and as Germany takes over the EU presidency the word out of Germany that Merkel wants a deal and by September is promising
There is no point in extended the deadlock paying billions more into the EU
who offered a Canada style agreement\?
Barnier. On a number of occasions, right up until the day we said yes, that’s what we want too.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid and were originally offered a Canada style deal
The EU in your words 'ratted' on it
There are no good outcomes here and as Germany takes over the EU presidency the word out of Germany that Merkel wants a deal and by September is promising
There is no point in extended the deadlock paying billions more into the EU
I’ll ask again, since you ignored my question and then spun your own fantasy:
You believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid and were originally offered a Canada style deal
The EU in your words 'ratted' on it
There are no good outcomes here and as Germany takes over the EU presidency the word out of Germany that Merkel wants a deal and by September is promising
There is no point in extended the deadlock paying billions more into the EU
who offered a Canada style agreement\?
Barnier. On a number of occasions, right up until the day we said yes, that’s what we want too.
Can you point me in the direction of the agreement between Britain and the EU that contains Canada-style terms? Thanks in advance.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid and were originally offered a Canada style deal
The EU in your words 'ratted' on it
There are no good outcomes here and as Germany takes over the EU presidency the word out of Germany that Merkel wants a deal and by September is promising
There is no point in extended the deadlock paying billions more into the EU
who offered a Canada style agreement\?
Barnier. On a number of occasions, right up until the day we said yes, that’s what we want too.
We don't want a Canada-style deal, though. What we want is Canada, except in areas where we do not want Canada - such as in financial services and rules of origin.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
This may be news to you but Theresa Villiers isn't DEFRA Secretary anymore.
It may be news to you, but she wasn't replaced because she promised that the UK would not lower its animal welfare standards in order to secure a trade deal with Donald Trump.
Apparently there's a statute of limitations on Tory promises.
I think that Alok Sharma is one of the less useless ministers, and I wish him well. His coronavirus test was announced to be negative, but so it is in 30% of Covid19 cases. If this really was just "a bad case of hayfever" as one MP suggested, he would have been wheeled out on public show. Clearly Cummings and Boris (or Cummings and Goings) and Moggy know what a disaster it would be if he had been announced to be positive. Perhaps he has just been told to hide and they are hoping for the best. Perhaps the test wasn't negative (he's as entitled to medical privacy, as we all are). If he does have Covid19 he is in a high risk group, BAME, male, middle aged and overweight. I suppose they could always bury him at sea if all else fails. Poor chap.
Sorry but that is nonsense
He says he had either hayfever or a type of food poisoning from a sandwich
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
This may be news to you but Theresa Villiers isn't DEFRA Secretary anymore.
So her assurances mean nothing as they weren’t made by the government as it is currently structured.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid
So you think Leave campaigners like Michael Gove who said we would be inside the trade zone that stretches from Iceland to the Russian border were lying, and all Leave voters knew they were lying?
I am not resurrecting tired old arguments
We voted to leave and that requires us to be free to set our own laws, tax and state aid rules
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid and were originally offered a Canada style deal
The EU in your words 'ratted' on it
There are no good outcomes here and as Germany takes over the EU presidency the word out of Germany that Merkel wants a deal and by September is promising
There is no point in extended the deadlock paying billions more into the EU
who offered a Canada style agreement\?
Barnier. On a number of occasions, right up until the day we said yes, that’s what we want too.
We don't want a Canada-style deal, though. What we want is Canada, except in areas where we do not want Canada - such as in financial services and rules of origin.
Okay, so let’s use Canada as the starting point of the negotiations and work from there.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
This may be news to you but Theresa Villiers isn't DEFRA Secretary anymore.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid and were originally offered a Canada style deal
The EU in your words 'ratted' on it
There are no good outcomes here and as Germany takes over the EU presidency the word out of Germany that Merkel wants a deal and by September is promising
There is no point in extended the deadlock paying billions more into the EU
I’ll ask again, since you ignored my question and then spun your own fantasy:
You believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
And I will ask are you happy Barnier ratted on Canada
And we can go on like this forever as on the EU we will never agree
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
Not true. Barnier is trying to get Boris to agree to things that were not agreed to in the PD.
Take Level Playing Field for instance, the PD says there should be LPF commitments commensurate with the type of free trade agreement agreed. Fair enough.
The UK have responded in this phase of negotiations saying basically "OK we want a Canadian style Trade Agreement with Canadian style LPF agreements as you've already agreed with Canada". That meets the LPF commitments agreed in the WA.
Barnier responds by saying "No" and trying to force something unprecedented that was never part of the PD.
The PD doesn't mean we're committed to whatever form of LPF that the EU wants us to agree to.
The reverse is equally possible - Canada is LPF lite i.e. far lighter than was anticipated within the PD.
The problem is that it wasn't explicitly defined in the PD only roughly sketched out which means it's likely both interpretations are valid.
Nothing in the PD says the LPF will be heavier than what Canada got
Really? 77. Given the Union and the United Kingdom's geographic proximity and economic interdependence, the future relationship must ensure open and fair competition, encompassing robust commitments to ensure a level playing field.
Yes we would need to agree a level playing field.
CETA LPF conditions were a pre-existing precedent when we agreed to that. Where does it rule out CETA LPF conditions? Where did we agree to go further than existing precedence?
Furthermore you've not even quoted the right paragraph and have missed some rather key words in the actual agreement.
XIV. LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR OPEN AND FAIR COMPETITION 77. Given the Union and the United Kingdom's geographic proximity and economic interdependence, the future relationship must ensure open and fair competition, encompassing robust commitments to ensure a level playing field. The precise nature of commitments should be commensurate with the scope and depth of the future relationship and the economic connectedness of the Parties. These commitments should prevent distortions of trade and unfair competitive advantages. To that end, the Parties should uphold the common high standards applicable in the Union and the United Kingdom at the end of the transition period in the areas of state aid, competition, social and employment standards, environment, climate change, and relevant tax matters. The Parties should in particular maintain a robust and comprehensive framework for competition and state aid control that prevents undue distortion of trade and competition; commit to the principles of good governance in the area of taxation and to the curbing of harmful tax practices; and maintain environmental, social and employment standards at the current high levels provided by the existing common standards. In so doing, they should rely on appropriate and relevant Union and international standards, and include appropriate mechanisms to ensure effective implementation domestically, enforcement and dispute settlement. The future relationship should also promote adherence to and effective implementation of relevant internationally agreed principles and rules in these domains, including the Paris Agreement.
The agreement specifically says that the precise nature of the commitments haven't been agreed yet and will need to be commensurate with the future relationship. The UK has opted for a future relationship akin to CETA so in the words of the Political Declaration the LPF would need to be commensurate with that.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid and were originally offered a Canada style deal
The EU in your words 'ratted' on it
There are no good outcomes here and as Germany takes over the EU presidency the word out of Germany that Merkel wants a deal and by September is promising
There is no point in extended the deadlock paying billions more into the EU
who offered a Canada style agreement\?
Barnier. On a number of occasions, right up until the day we said yes, that’s what we want too.
This is highly disingenuous. What we are asking for goes well beyond a Canada-style agreement.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
This may be news to you but Theresa Villiers isn't DEFRA Secretary anymore.
So her assurances mean nothing as they weren’t made by the government as it is currently structured.
Yes.
Plus the nature of compromise is it always goes against what people originally said in some areas, if it didn't it wouldn't be a compromise.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid
So you think Leave campaigners like Michael Gove who said we would be inside the trade zone that stretches from Iceland to the Russian border were lying, and all Leave voters knew they were lying?
I am not resurrecting tired old arguments
We voted to leave and that requires us to be free to set our own laws, tax and state aid rules
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
This may be news to you but Theresa Villiers isn't DEFRA Secretary anymore.
It may be news to you, but she wasn't replaced because she promised that the UK would not lower its animal welfare standards in order to secure a trade deal with Donald Trump.
Apparently there's a statute of limitations on Tory promises.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid and were originally offered a Canada style deal
The EU in your words 'ratted' on it
There are no good outcomes here and as Germany takes over the EU presidency the word out of Germany that Merkel wants a deal and by September is promising
There is no point in extended the deadlock paying billions more into the EU
who offered a Canada style agreement\?
Barnier. On a number of occasions, right up until the day we said yes, that’s what we want too.
This is highly disingenuous. What we are asking for goes well beyond a Canada-style agreement.
Then the EU can push back on whatever goes beyond if they want.
That's not what they want though. Oh well. I see you're ignoring the fact this whole timetabling and not settling this sooner was their preference.
It'll be boomtime for office gear sales in a couple of months as people realise they can't quite squeeze into the ones they last wore at the start of lockdown.
"Good polling news for Labour, as three consecutive polls suggest the party has pulled ahead. Survation shows Labour four points ahead of the Tories (35 per cent to 31 per cent), Panelbase has it six points ahead (37 per cent to 31 per cent), and TNS gives the party a three-point lead (33 per cent to 31 per cent).
Survation also shows Ed Miliband beating David Cameron in net approval ratings for the first time."
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
Nope, the UK can do as it wishes. But if it wants a trade deal with the EU it will have to agree to certain conditions. If it doesn't, there will be no deal. In the same way, the UK will have to lower its animal welfare standards if it wants to do a trade deal with the US. Our power is the power to say no. We then live with the consequences.
So like how Canada agreed LPF conditions when it negotiated a trade deal with the EU? Which the UK is offering to copy and paste.
Something like that, is that what you mean?
I cannot second guess the EU's motives. However, I suspect that if it doesn't believe that what the UK is offering is in its best interests it will not agree to what the UK is offering. Our choice is then to back down or walk away and to live with the consequences. It looks like we are going to walk away. I think we are best off doing it sooner rather than later as that way we may stand more chance of mitigating at least some of the harm.
I agree 100%
I also think if we're going to walk away then doing so under the cloak of COVID19 is the best possible timing.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid and were originally offered a Canada style deal
The EU in your words 'ratted' on it
There are no good outcomes here and as Germany takes over the EU presidency the word out of Germany that Merkel wants a deal and by September is promising
There is no point in extended the deadlock paying billions more into the EU
who offered a Canada style agreement\?
Barnier. On a number of occasions, right up until the day we said yes, that’s what we want too.
This is highly disingenuous. What we are asking for goes well beyond a Canada-style agreement.
Then the EU can push back on whatever goes beyond if they want.
That's not what they want though. Oh well. I see you're ignoring the fact this whole timetabling and not settling this sooner was their preference.
We agreed a treaty which proposes the framework of an association agreement as the structure of the future relationship.
The only question is whether we get further waves of any significance. We may not, if the "potency" of the virus has lessened, as some experts have said it might have.
Quite. So lets open Britain up now. Yesterday. The day before yesterday.
We might save something.
I still think the lockdown should only ever have applied to people with serious conditions and the very elderly. Shutting down the economy will cause deaths.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid and were originally offered a Canada style deal
The EU in your words 'ratted' on it
There are no good outcomes here and as Germany takes over the EU presidency the word out of Germany that Merkel wants a deal and by September is promising
There is no point in extended the deadlock paying billions more into the EU
who offered a Canada style agreement\?
Barnier. On a number of occasions, right up until the day we said yes, that’s what we want too.
This is highly disingenuous. What we are asking for goes well beyond a Canada-style agreement.
Then the EU can push back on whatever goes beyond if they want.
That's not what they want though. Oh well. I see you're ignoring the fact this whole timetabling and not settling this sooner was their preference.
We agreed a treaty which proposes the framework of an association agreement as the structure of the future relationship.
No it doesn't.
The Political Declaration was not legally binding and it doesn't propose that.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
This may be news to you but Theresa Villiers isn't DEFRA Secretary anymore.
It may be news to you, but she wasn't replaced because she promised that the UK would not lower its animal welfare standards in order to secure a trade deal with Donald Trump.
Apparently there's a statute of limitations on Tory promises.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
Nope, the UK can do as it wishes. But if it wants a trade deal with the EU it will have to agree to certain conditions. If it doesn't, there will be no deal. In the same way, the UK will have to lower its animal welfare standards if it wants to do a trade deal with the US. Our power is the power to say no. We then live with the consequences.
So like how Canada agreed LPF conditions when it negotiated a trade deal with the EU? Which the UK is offering to copy and paste.
Something like that, is that what you mean?
I cannot second guess the EU's motives. However, I suspect that if it doesn't believe that what the UK is offering is in its best interests it will not agree to what the UK is offering. Our choice is then to back down or walk away and to live with the consequences. It looks like we are going to walk away. I think we are best off doing it sooner rather than later as that way we may stand more chance of mitigating at least some of the harm.
I agree 100%
I also think if we're going to walk away then doing so under the cloak of COVID19 is the best possible timing.
What do you expect the Covid-19 situation to be in the UK and EU27 in December?
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid
So you think Leave campaigners like Michael Gove who said we would be inside the trade zone that stretches from Iceland to the Russian border were lying, and all Leave voters knew they were lying?
I am not resurrecting tired old arguments
We voted to leave and that requires us to be free to set our own laws, tax and state aid rules
Bollocks to Brexit.
Ah, how sweet - a reminder of the Liberal Democrats.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid
So you think Leave campaigners like Michael Gove who said we would be inside the trade zone that stretches from Iceland to the Russian border were lying, and all Leave voters knew they were lying?
I am not resurrecting tired old arguments
We voted to leave and that requires us to be free to set our own laws, tax and state aid rules
Bollocks to Brexit.
Ah, how sweet - a reminder of the Liberal Democrats.
Barnier's arrogance and attitude is going to collapse these talks
12 months ago I had this opinion and was considered extreme here for doing so. It seems to be becoming mainstream now.
....yet it is Johnson who hasn't stood by 4 statements he agreed to in the WA?....
That the Tories have lied consistently on Brexit for a number of years really shouldn't surprise anyone. Some things they wil get away with. Others will be less easy to explain away ... https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
I'm not surprised Barnier is pissed off with us. How can you negotiate with liars and cheats.
Barnier's problem, like many others, is he has not accepted we are leaving and wants to restrict the UK's ability to make it own laws and trade
So you believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
The UK voted to leave, not to be tied to EU law on tax and state aid and were originally offered a Canada style deal
The EU in your words 'ratted' on it
There are no good outcomes here and as Germany takes over the EU presidency the word out of Germany that Merkel wants a deal and by September is promising
There is no point in extended the deadlock paying billions more into the EU
who offered a Canada style agreement\?
Barnier. On a number of occasions, right up until the day we said yes, that’s what we want too.
This is highly disingenuous. What we are asking for goes well beyond a Canada-style agreement.
Then the EU can push back on whatever goes beyond if they want.
That's not what they want though. Oh well. I see you're ignoring the fact this whole timetabling and not settling this sooner was their preference.
We agreed a treaty which proposes the framework of an association agreement as the structure of the future relationship.
No it doesn't.
The Political Declaration was not legally binding and it doesn't propose that.
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Almost forgot, first like SKS.
https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/1268850454752038913?s=20
Have we polling on this from previous leader clashes?
https://twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1215284448129880066
Take Level Playing Field for instance, the PD says there should be LPF commitments commensurate with the type of free trade agreement agreed. Fair enough.
The UK have responded in this phase of negotiations saying basically "OK we want a Canadian style Trade Agreement with Canadian style LPF agreements as you've already agreed with Canada". That meets the LPF commitments agreed in the WA.
Barnier responds by saying "No" and trying to force something unprecedented that was never part of the PD.
The PD doesn't mean we're committed to whatever form of LPF that the EU wants us to agree to.
I'd say the Jan numbers represent something more like normal service.
What does that metric even mean?
The problem is that it wasn't explicitly defined in the PD only roughly sketched out which means it's likely both interpretations are valid.
You mean like Clem Attlee versus Churchill at GE1945
Or Wilson versus Heath at GE1970
Or Kinnock versus Major at GE1992
See November when things offered and completely rejected by May are presented by Boris as a great victory.
I keep forgetting that whenever anyone tries to put a point of view they come up against the "little Englander brexiteer f**k off to europe if you like it so much" brick wall!
Furthermore if the EU wanted to determine these issues in the prior stage we could have done so. The UK wanted to sort out these issues in the prior stage of negotiations, it was the EU's desire to sort out the legally binding Withdrawal Agreement on the EU's choice of matters first. It was the EU's desire to not decide these trade matters in the prior stage.
Either way its abundantly clear there's absolutely ZERO reason to extend transition. There's no point extending if you can't even get an agreement on where you want to reach.
"Good polling news for Labour, as three consecutive polls suggest the party has pulled ahead. Survation shows Labour four points ahead of the Tories (35 per cent to 31 per cent), Panelbase has it six points ahead (37 per cent to 31 per cent), and TNS gives the party a three-point lead (33 per cent to 31 per cent).
Survation also shows Ed Miliband beating David Cameron in net approval ratings for the first time."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/04/ed-miliband-overtakes-david-cameron-approval-ratings-labour-pulls-ahead-polls
Now the Crown Prosecution Service has been asked to review evidence into her coronavirus-related death in "recognition of wider public interest", although the case is not being reopened, the police said.
The man alleged to have spat at Mujinga, 47, who died with Covid-19 on 5 April, claimed to have coronavirus.
But, following "extensive inquiries", British Transport Police (BTP) concluded last month the attack did not lead to her death.
The force also said no further action would be taken against a 57-year-old man interviewed by officers.
The BBC understands that the man, who was the main suspect, had a negative antibody test in the time after the incident.
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What a waste of time? It has been investigated and the crucial thing is that the thug hasn't had coronavirus, so the initial story can't be true.
What are they going to say to the husband, who clearly doesn't accept the initial investigation? We have looked again, and it is still true. And will he accept that then?
* Furthermore, the investigation failed to find that she was even spat at during the confrontation.
When did May negotiate that Stormont could unilaterally terminate the backstop?
Citation needed please. Or are you telling fibs?
Unfortunately the reality of working in a customer facing role during a pandemic means you are extremely exposed to coming into contact with carriers and your colleagues more likely to have, and so it could have been any number of interactions. And can also still be away from work.
Doesn't mean he couldn't have lied.
Something like that, is that what you mean?
And the reason we never did is because Barnier insisted that what we're discussing now couldn't be discussed then. That was the EU's choice not ours. May's government wanted to tackle these free trade issues and the EU said no.
This blog entry makes the point (in the context of domestic abuse) that even well-intentioned apps can be misused.
A couple of examples:
The connected doorbell app that allows you to remotely see who is at the door was built with safety in mind. However, the motion capture functionality can be used to monitor and entrap victims, with instant notifications being sent when an attempt is made to leave the home.
The credit card app that provides purchase notifications was built to help combat fraud. However, its use can give enhanced control over victims with details of their spending being constantly monitored.
https://www.ibm.com/blogs/policy/design-principles-to-combat-domestic-abuse/
The EU in your words 'ratted' on it
There are no good outcomes here and as Germany takes over the EU presidency the word out of Germany that Merkel wants a deal and by September is promising
There is no point in extended the deadlock paying billions more into the EU
During the BLM, a BBC reporter incorrectly repeated this and the protest included a comparison of this case vs one of a white police officer, who was spat at by a coronavirus positive thug, and the thug went down, as an example of racial discrimination.
It is like comparing Michael Brown case with George Floyd when it comes to police brutality of African Americans in the US.
The BTP investigation found no evidence of being spat at, and absolutely crucially the suspect hasn't had coronavirus, so she couldn't have died from this altercation, thus the comparison to the handling of case of the white police officer is not true.
In these heighten times, it is crucial we get the facts correct. We don't want another Mark Duggan type incident, where people's anger is falsely fuelled by reports of a nice young family man gunned down by the police, when the truth was an armed career criminal.
So Boris negotiated something May didn't even consider then didn't he?
The good news for him is that fathering children is probably the one thing he is quite good at.
Clearly Cummings and Boris (or Cummings and Goings) and Moggy know what a disaster it would be if he had been announced to be positive. Perhaps he has just been told to hide and they are hoping for the best. Perhaps the test wasn't negative (he's as entitled to medical privacy, as we all are).
If he does have Covid19 he is in a high risk group, BAME, male, middle aged and overweight. I suppose they could always bury him at sea if all else fails. Poor chap.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/slide_presented_by_barnier_at_euco_15-12-2017.pdf
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52932611
You believe that Britain should rat on commitments it signed up to last year?
https://twitter.com/thomasforth/status/1268657543280295938?s=20
He says he had either hayfever or a type of food poisoning from a sandwich
He is fine
We voted to leave and that requires us to be free to set our own laws, tax and state aid rules
And we can go on like this forever as on the EU we will never agree
CETA LPF conditions were a pre-existing precedent when we agreed to that. Where does it rule out CETA LPF conditions? Where did we agree to go further than existing precedence?
Furthermore you've not even quoted the right paragraph and have missed some rather key words in the actual agreement.
XIV. LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR OPEN AND FAIR COMPETITION
77. Given the Union and the United Kingdom's geographic proximity and economic interdependence, the future relationship must ensure open and fair competition, encompassing robust commitments to ensure a level playing field. The precise nature of commitments should be commensurate with the scope and depth of the future relationship and the economic connectedness of the Parties. These commitments should prevent distortions of trade and unfair competitive advantages. To that end, the Parties should uphold the common high standards applicable in the Union and the United Kingdom at the end of the transition period in the areas of state aid, competition, social and employment standards, environment, climate change, and relevant tax matters. The Parties should in particular maintain a robust and comprehensive framework for competition and state aid control that prevents undue distortion of trade and competition; commit to the principles of good governance in the area of taxation and to the curbing of harmful tax practices; and maintain environmental, social and employment standards at the current high levels provided by the existing common standards. In so doing, they should rely on appropriate and relevant Union and international standards, and include appropriate mechanisms to ensure effective implementation domestically, enforcement and dispute settlement. The future relationship should also promote adherence to and effective implementation of relevant internationally agreed principles and rules in these domains, including the Paris Agreement.
The agreement specifically says that the precise nature of the commitments haven't been agreed yet and will need to be commensurate with the future relationship. The UK has opted for a future relationship akin to CETA so in the words of the Political Declaration the LPF would need to be commensurate with that.
Plus the nature of compromise is it always goes against what people originally said in some areas, if it didn't it wouldn't be a compromise.
Like they've abolished boom and bust. How well would that one have fared on contact with Covid-19?
That's not what they want though. Oh well. I see you're ignoring the fact this whole timetabling and not settling this sooner was their preference.
We might save something.
I also think if we're going to walk away then doing so under the cloak of COVID19 is the best possible timing.
It's an imperial pint of piffle.
Since 97 the personality has won every time except 2017, I'm checking the polling now to see if it backs up my theory
The Political Declaration was not legally binding and it doesn't propose that.
RIP.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/840656/Political_Declaration_setting_out_the_framework_for_the_future_relationship_between_the_European_Union_and_the_United_Kingdom.pdf