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There are so many things going on at the moment that the Rees-Mogg move to end distant voting by MPs didn’t get much attention apart from the pictures of the queuing arrangements.
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I’m sure these two will handle a no deal exit in January equally well.
Personally I think its wrong for MPs to tell the rest of us we need to go back to work in a socially distanced manner which is impossible for a lot of businesses, only for them not to be willing to do the same thing. Not everyone can live their lives remotely on computers.
Social distancing will be the death of many businesses, hospitality in a socially distanced manner is going to be nigh on impossible and if voting in a socially distanced manner is a Pain In The Ass then for MPs then good - they should realise better how this affects real people in the real world.
Shielders of course should not be disenfranchised and that's disgraceful if it happens (though I thought they were getting proxy voting) but non-shielders should work.
Edit: but he didn't sound like it - and you can't imagine him as the son of the Manse or Rector in the Edin Uni Union at Bristo.
NHS England numbers out - 115
Last 7 days - 97
Spanish Style - 24
"In order for me to get here today, it required a journey of 18 hours, starting with an aeroplane, a taxi, a normal train and four hours in Edinburgh waiting for a sleeper train that I picked up at 1 o’clock this morning to arrive at Euston at 8 am. I cannot and will not do that every week. Apart from anything else, the return journey will be 26 hours long and would require me then to go into self-isolation for 14 days—the only responsible way to live in a community such as mine. Having come here, I am here for the duration, because I cannot go back until it is safe to my family and my community for me to do so."
https://order-order.com/2020/06/04/watch-welsh-chief-medical-officer-admits-school-return-plan-blocked-by-unions/
Incidentally my son and other school staff less than impressed that mp's of all stripes say they can go back to work but that it's too dangerous for MP's to queue.......
It’s the lack of space to engage in social distancing.
Should have added -
Russian style - 3 doctors fell out of windows
Back to the numbers themselves....
Looks like the numbers have definitely stepped down to a new level.
Even under the tariff plan chicken and beef imported from the USA will still be cheaper than that produced in the UK.
Amazing how quickly the UK folded . Time to order the gimp suit !
Oh, Rees-Mogg's involved, I see now.
Still, maybe Sharma just has a bad case of hay fever, as Brandon Lewis was touting on R4 this morning.
Good. That's what the Kiwis did - abolish tariffs, abolish subsidies, told their farmers to make do without any of that. And they're still exporters.
Where WFH is not possible steps must be taken to mitigate the risk. This can include the use of technology. So, in that case, MPs could vote electronically from their offices in Portcullis House.
In having MPs vote in person by going through a lobby the government would not be treating MPs the same as the rest of us. It would be treating them worse. It is not showing leadership or an example, it is doing the exact opposite demonstrating what we should not do.
It's just beyond stupid.
If the MPs themselves are massively inconvenienced by having to keep their distance, maybe that will focus their minds on the inconveniences they are imposing on their constituents.
Why should businesses that rely upon customers be faced with losing business support, furlough ending, be told they need to simply reopen socially distanced -but social distancing is too much of a PITA for MPs?
Why is social distancing good enough for the public but MPs are too special and precious to waste their time socially distancing?
How as a self-employed pro gambler, you were looking forward to the sport starting back up?
Excess deaths may not tell the whole story but it is a much better metric than you suggest because that book can be cooked at will. Take Florida. Over a given time span c4000 pneumonia deaths and c1000 Covid deaths recorded. The same period average for previous years was less than a thousand pneumonia deaths. So Ron, to make his Covid response look better had Covid deaths recorded as pneumonia.
As @Cyclefree has repeatedly pointed out the government is preparing to tell theatres, restaurants, pubs, bars, cinemas and all other forms of entertainment that they need to reopen socially distanced. They're losing the summer of trade and they're losing furlough in October and their premises aren't going to magically get any bigger to permit social distancing any more than the House of Commons is going to do so.
If its good enough for the rest of the economy to have social distancing, its good enough for MPs too.
If social distancing isn't good enough, that should apply to the rest of the nation too.
The official advice is still "work from home if you can".
There's a strong argument for MPs to spend less time in Westminster, and more time working in their constituencies, so it's a shame that this has been turned into an argument about working/not working
Either healthy non-shielding MPs can make do too, or the rest of the nation should be given an alternative solution.
Here I am at 14:22 just after U2...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_essex
https://unherd.com/2020/06/karl-friston-up-to-80-not-even-susceptible-to-covid-19/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3
As I have been suggesting for weeks now, the only way to explain the rapid dropping away of new case numbers, faster in those areas worst affected, whilst recognising the handful of studies that have found low levels of community infection rates, is if a significant proportion of the population already has immunity, or at least significant resistance.
*cue people laughing as their Dilbertstyle bosses force them to do just this.
I buy Free Range eggs and Red Tractor food even though cheaper caged eggs and cheaper lower standard food is available. People can make a free choice in a free society.
Until that changes, your suggestion is a statistical absurdity.
Where is Joseph Heller when you need him.
If social distancing is viable then MPs have no right to complain.
If social distancing isn't viable the rest of the nation should not be told to work socially distanced.
Is that unreasonable?
Though I'm not really sure what form Cannes is going to take....
Bravo.
And a lot of people found that that 'working from home' could include routine meetings, sometimes of quite large groups. While I would agree that part of the process of being an effective MP is bumping into another MP in corridor, tea-room or bar and having a discussion, it is possible to do something like that electronically.
The way we conduct our politics isn't the best, and a shake-up occasioned by a pandemic might be a Good Thing.
In previous years, most countries won't have thought much about the numbers. So political influence there is also likely not to be a problem.
Nothing to do with the Republican Governor at all.
MPs can work from home. It's the worst sort of presenteeism to drag them all in from across the country to be infected with Corona by the Business Secretary.
The trouble is that if you believe this it leads to some fundamental questions about lockdown. I suspect that is why many find it difficult to accept, and always will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBS9AHilxg0
If MPs find social distancing they're foisting on those with no alternative solution to be unviable or unfair or unreasonable and don't want to have to work that way then they understand how the millions of people with no alternative are thinking too. They should act accordingly. Either find an alternative that works for everyone, or suffer like they're telling millions of others to suffer.
If MPs want to end social distancing and all that involves then the solution isn't to hide behind a computer, its to find a viable alternative that works for the entire country.
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Here’s an example of everyday racism on my part regarding cultural depictions. A few months ago I watched the Mary Queen of Scots movie with Saoirse Ronan. It is very unlikely that Mary spoke with a heavy Scots accent as she was portrayed, having spent virtually all her childhood in France, and I knew that. However, halfway through I noticed I was less bothered by how Mary sounded than how Thomas Randolph, who was played by black actor Adrian Lester, looked. Neither was I as bothered that Margot Robbie is much much better looking than the historical Elizabeth I. My brain had been trained to ignore those historical inaccuracies, and the many others in the film, save for the amount of melanin in one actor’s skin. That’s systemic racism showing in someone who tries really really hard not to be racist.
Similarly we have no problem with James Bond having a Scots, English, Irish or indeed Australian accent, having brown or blue eyes, chest hair or no chest hair, but if a black actor is ever cast in the role we all know how the usual suspects will react.
More likely your brain registered it was historically inaccurate, just as you would have been amazed if Kunta Kinte in Roots had been played by a white actor. Just your woke self jumping on the bandwagon and then trying to get your racist smear in at the end without having the courage to say that you meant white racists.
I agree with you that if remote working were simply impossible for MPs, then MPs would just have to find a way of making it work. It might even be a catalyst for getting Parliament out of Westminster if it's just too cramped to support a socially-distancing workforce. But if remote working is an option, I don't see why it shouldn't be supported, in any workplace where this applies.
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UK subjects.
LOL I heard old baw face Carlaw on radio this morning, he sounded as if he was sooking a bag of lemons. The Tories in Scotland are going to get an awful humping , best they can hope for is that the LOL and a few toffs wanting baubles stick with them. They will be fighting like ferrets in a sack to get on the list and ensure they get some consolation losers seats.