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edited May 2020 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Downing Street should be worry about the first Cummings polling from YouGov which goes very much against what he did

The political splits here should be worrying for Number 10. By backing Cummings they are going very much against what voters think .

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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    edited May 2020
    It is trial by media! Don't do it Boris!

    Oh and first.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,052
    Weren't the lockdown rules set by the government with the expectation that only half of us would comply?

    They should have made them voluntary if they had to have them at all.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    They are totally fucked

    https://twitter.com/cathynewman/status/1264243692354879488
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited May 2020
    43% of Conservative voters think Cummings should not resign, 41% think he should. A significantly higher 66% of Labour voters think he should resign.

    45% of Leavers think Cummings should resign but a big majority, 66% of Remainers, think he should resign

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/05/23/56b74/2
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Fishing said:

    Weren't the lockdown rules set by the government with the expectation that only half of us would comply?

    They should have made them voluntary if they had to have them at all.

    They sure should
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    "The suspicion remains that somewhere, deep in their hearts, the cabinet’s collective reaction to this scandal – for such it is – is predicated on a still darker appreciation of an unwelcome political reality. Namely that the Prime Minister, whatever his other talents, is not actually up to the job of running the country in a moment such as this. "

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-dominic-cummings-must-go

    I seem to recall that Gove had this view when he pulled the plug on a Johnson leadership run back in the day. Or did I dream that?
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    Boris was right all along, this Labour Remainer lockdown was terrible!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Ave_it said:

    Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

    As I (jokingly) posted earlier: this whole stunt was a game theory move by Dom to get UK back to work.
  • BantermanBanterman Posts: 287
    Nobody in the general public knows who he is. A media bubble story that will go away.

    Still, the media are still mad about Brexit, Boris's election victory and the actual departure on January 31st 2020.

    it reminds me of how Labour and their media mates attacked Lord Ashcroft in 2010 when as now, its a no name to the vast mass of people
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    HYUFD said:

    43% of Conservative voters think Cummings should not resign, 41% think he should.

    45% of Leavers think Cummings should resign but a significantly higher 66% of Remainers think he should resign

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/05/23/56b74/2

    59% of Con voters and 63% of Leavers think he broke the rules was what caught my eye.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    FPT:
    rkrkrk said:

    Foxy said:



    Matt tommorow.

    It does seem particularly incongruous to lock up visiting tourists and returning Britons for 14 days, while permitting actively viral travel to Durham.

    His cartoons really are excellent.

    I must say I don't agree with the majority on here that this will significantly undermine the lockdown.

    People will largely observe the rules regardless I suspect. They'll just be really annoyed and even more suspicious of politicians.
    That’s missing the point. If even 25% ignore them from now on, and the police do nothing - which unless Cummings resigns is pretty well all they can do - lockdown will simply progressively unravel over the next ten days.

    Ironically, there could be worse ways of ending it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Scott_xP said:

    They are totally fucked

    https://twitter.com/cathynewman/status/1264243692354879488

    I am optimistic that Oxford are right and we have natural immunity and a lot of people who have had it without noticing.

    But...

    If that is incorrect and R shoots up as the lockdown now falls completely to pieces, then this administration is in in utter shit.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    FPT: great timing with the comms strategy :D:D

    https://twitter.com/govuk/status/1264179319695388673?s=21
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    43% of Conservative voters think Cummings should not resign, 41% think he should.

    45% of Leavers think Cummings should resign but a significantly higher 66% of Remainers think he should resign

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/05/23/56b74/2

    59% of Con voters and 63% of Leavers think he broke the rules was what caught my eye.
    Largely irrelevant if they want to keep him in post
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2020
    AlastairMeeks said:

    One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

    If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory". No one has been arrested for breaking lockdown, so in reality it was
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,898
    Ave_it said:

    Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

    "End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1264177092889128960
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Banterman said:

    Nobody in the general public knows who he is. A media bubble story that will go away.

    Still, the media are still mad about Brexit, Boris's election victory and the actual departure on January 31st 2020.

    it reminds me of how Labour and their media mates attacked Lord Ashcroft in 2010 when as now, its a no name to the vast mass of people

    This was the lead story on Heart FM news all day. If it has traction on local commercial radio then it has escaped the bubble.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    43% of Conservative voters think Cummings should not resign, 41% think he should.

    45% of Leavers think Cummings should resign but a significantly higher 66% of Remainers think he should resign

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/05/23/56b74/2

    59% of Con voters and 63% of Leavers think he broke the rules was what caught my eye.
    Largely irrelevant if they want to keep him in post
    Its not irrelevant in the sense that @Philip_Thompson has been putting in the hours defending him all day.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    I lost count, like the number of times Johnson lied
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

    If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"
    That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    edited May 2020
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1264177092889128960

    Not that I think it makes what Cummings did acceptable, but the government's aim during lockdown was to manage the macro rather than the micro.

    The only time I can recall the government picking on any group of individuals was when one of them (Hancock, I think) had a pop at footballers.

    Of course, they didn't ride to the rescue of Ferguson - though Shapps thinks that was because what he did wasn't understandable.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2020
    AlastairMeeks said:

    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

    If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"
    That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.
    Shapps almost said as much today though, didnt he? And, given that no one has been arrested/prosecuted for breaching the lockdown, it seems it was only advisory

    Like you, I have broken the lockdown rules dozens of times. I know very few people who haven't actually. They've modified their behaviour to a massive extent, but no one has stuck to it to the letter that I can think of. Probably the public obedience outcome the government wanted, but not the PR outcome
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    https://twitter.com/Martha_Gill/status/1264255205190836225
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    https://twitter.com/MichaelDugher/status/1264253270018666497?s=20
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    stodge said:

    Ave_it said:

    Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

    "End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.
    We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

    Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    https://twitter.com/stephenpollard/status/1264254319890702343
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

    If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"
    That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.
    Shapps almost said as much today though, didnt he? And, given that no one has been arrested/prosecuted for breaching the lockdown, it seems it was only advisory
    What are you on about? Over 14,000 people have been fined by Police in England alone for breaching lockdown.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,005
    If I didn’t care about covid restrictions collapsing and wanted an albatross to be hung around the Tories’ neck, I’d be hoping Cummings stays on.

    The polling shows far less difference between Remainers and Leavers on this than the majority of polling on most things recently - the obsessive insistence that it’s all a Remain-Leave thing is a political bubble thing by the Tory activists and politicians.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,152
    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

    If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory". No one has been arrested for breaking lockdown, so in reality it was
    Well that isn't true. This article shows there were 78 in Scotland alone from 27 March to 23 April: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52410389
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    stodge said:

    Ave_it said:

    Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

    "End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.
    Furlough is welfare for those who are deemed too good for the dole.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254210968899584

    https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254346075598848

    https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254871185829890
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    tlg86 said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1264177092889128960

    Not that I think it makes what Cummings did acceptable, but the government's aim during lockdown was to manage the macro rather than the micro.

    The only time I can recall the government picking on any group of individuals was when one of them (Hancock, I think) had a pop at footballers.

    Of course, they didn't ride to the rescue of Ferguson - though Shapps thinks that was because what he did wasn't understandable.
    Ferguson complicates the rest. Too many cabinet ministers condemned him for what was technically not a breach of law, when they should have known right well that a number of their own colleagues may have actually breached the law (and the same goes for other political parties).
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

    If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"
    That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.
    Shapps almost said as much today though, didnt he? And, given that no one has been arrested/prosecuted for breaching the lockdown, it seems it was only advisory
    Yes and that was the real damage done today.

    The government is going to need the public working with it in the coming months. It has now incinerated its moral authority to command. Perhaps the public will do what they want anyway. That must be very doubtful.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    https://twitter.com/IainDale/status/1264254609788416000
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Gallowgate said:

    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

    If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"
    That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.
    Shapps almost said as much today though, didnt he? And, given that no one has been arrested/prosecuted for breaching the lockdown, it seems it was only advisory
    What are you on about? Over 14,000 people have been fined by Police in England alone for breaching lockdown.
    Oh ok I was wrong, sorry. I asked here earlier if anyone had been prosecuted/arrested and nobody came up with anything, so I assumed they hadn't. How much was the biggest fine?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,298
    ydoethur said:

    FPT:

    rkrkrk said:

    Foxy said:



    Matt tommorow.

    It does seem particularly incongruous to lock up visiting tourists and returning Britons for 14 days, while permitting actively viral travel to Durham.

    His cartoons really are excellent.

    I must say I don't agree with the majority on here that this will significantly undermine the lockdown.

    People will largely observe the rules regardless I suspect. They'll just be really annoyed and even more suspicious of politicians.
    That’s missing the point. If even 25% ignore them from now on, and the police do nothing - which unless Cummings resigns is pretty well all they can do - lockdown will simply progressively unravel over the next ten days.

    Ironically, there could be worse ways of ending it.
    Disagree. People are not observing lockdown out of fear of the police. They are doing it because they think it's the right thing to do.

    We will see if Cummings does or doesn't resign. I'm happy to bet if he stays, the lockdown won't unravel in 10 days.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    https://twitter.com/iaindale/status/1264252700532912128?s=21
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

    If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory". No one has been arrested for breaking lockdown, so in reality it was
    Well that isn't true. This article shows there were 78 in Scotland alone from 27 March to 23 April: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52410389
    Sorry, yes you're right. £30 fine, equivalent to a parking ticket.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    Andy_Cooke said:

    If I didn’t care about covid restrictions collapsing and wanted an albatross to be hung around the Tories’ neck, I’d be hoping Cummings stays on.

    The polling shows far less difference between Remainers and Leavers on this than the majority of polling on most things recently - the obsessive insistence that it’s all a Remain-Leave thing is a political bubble thing by the Tory activists and politicians.

    There is a 21% difference between Remainers and Leavers as to whether Cummings should resign or not and an even bigger 25% difference between Tory and Labour voters as to whether he should go.

    That is still a sizeable gap
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    rkrkrk said:

    We will see if Cummings does or doesn't resign. I'm happy to bet if he stays, the lockdown won't unravel in 10 days.

    No, it will unravel tomorrow
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,381
    Ave_it said:

    stodge said:

    Ave_it said:

    Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

    "End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.
    We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

    Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work
    Thanks for that Mr Duncan Smith.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,152
    isam said:

    Gallowgate said:

    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

    If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"
    That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.
    Shapps almost said as much today though, didnt he? And, given that no one has been arrested/prosecuted for breaching the lockdown, it seems it was only advisory
    What are you on about? Over 14,000 people have been fined by Police in England alone for breaching lockdown.
    Oh ok I was wrong, sorry. I asked here earlier if anyone had been prosecuted/arrested and nobody came up with anything, so I assumed they hadn't. How much was the biggest fine?
    How weird to assume that the fact nobody answered your question on an internet forum meant nobody had been arrested.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    rkrkrk said:

    ydoethur said:

    FPT:

    rkrkrk said:

    Foxy said:



    Matt tommorow.

    It does seem particularly incongruous to lock up visiting tourists and returning Britons for 14 days, while permitting actively viral travel to Durham.

    His cartoons really are excellent.

    I must say I don't agree with the majority on here that this will significantly undermine the lockdown.

    People will largely observe the rules regardless I suspect. They'll just be really annoyed and even more suspicious of politicians.
    That’s missing the point. If even 25% ignore them from now on, and the police do nothing - which unless Cummings resigns is pretty well all they can do - lockdown will simply progressively unravel over the next ten days.

    Ironically, there could be worse ways of ending it.
    Disagree. People are not observing lockdown out of fear of the police. They are doing it because they think it's the right thing to do.

    We will see if Cummings does or doesn't resign. I'm happy to bet if he stays, the lockdown won't unravel in 10 days.
    But that’s, again, missing the point. Cummings has effectively forced the government to say it’s *not* the right thing to do.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,620
    rkrkrk said:

    ydoethur said:

    FPT:

    rkrkrk said:

    Foxy said:



    Matt tommorow.

    It does seem particularly incongruous to lock up visiting tourists and returning Britons for 14 days, while permitting actively viral travel to Durham.

    His cartoons really are excellent.

    I must say I don't agree with the majority on here that this will significantly undermine the lockdown.

    People will largely observe the rules regardless I suspect. They'll just be really annoyed and even more suspicious of politicians.
    That’s missing the point. If even 25% ignore them from now on, and the police do nothing - which unless Cummings resigns is pretty well all they can do - lockdown will simply progressively unravel over the next ten days.

    Ironically, there could be worse ways of ending it.
    Disagree. People are not observing lockdown out of fear of the police. They are doing it because they think it's the right thing to do.

    We will see if Cummings does or doesn't resign. I'm happy to bet if he stays, the lockdown won't unravel in 10 days.
    So no reason then not to go back to work and school.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    isam said:

    Gallowgate said:

    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

    If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"
    That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.
    Shapps almost said as much today though, didnt he? And, given that no one has been arrested/prosecuted for breaching the lockdown, it seems it was only advisory
    What are you on about? Over 14,000 people have been fined by Police in England alone for breaching lockdown.
    Oh ok I was wrong, sorry. I asked here earlier if anyone had been prosecuted/arrested and nobody came up with anything, so I assumed they hadn't. How much was the biggest fine?
    It`s analagous to a speeding fine. £100 reduced to £50 if you pay it early.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,620
    Question re Cummings.

    Did any of his relatives in Durham get infected ?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,620
    Does anyone know today's number of tests and positive results ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    Gallowgate said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    43% of Conservative voters think Cummings should not resign, 41% think he should.

    45% of Leavers think Cummings should resign but a significantly higher 66% of Remainers think he should resign

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/05/23/56b74/2

    59% of Con voters and 63% of Leavers think he broke the rules was what caught my eye.
    Largely irrelevant if they want to keep him in post
    Its not irrelevant in the sense that @Philip_Thompson has been putting in the hours defending him all day.
    Philip Thompson could be Cummings' love child, voted for Brexit, backs Boris, hates May and IDS and believes he is a liberal Brexiteer therefore morally superior to socially conservative Brexiteers
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    I lost count, like the number of times Johnson lied

    Same poor joke last time it was Boris children which was pretty pathetic. Nothing new here
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Ave_it said:

    stodge said:

    Ave_it said:

    Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

    "End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.
    We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

    Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work
    And then what?...I've got an idea...the Poor House...we can relocate the feckless plebs to camps to live off gruel.....provided they work for it of course...
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Mexicanpete said:

    Ave_it said:

    stodge said:

    Ave_it said:

    Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

    "End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.
    We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

    Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work
    Thanks for that Mr Duncan Smith.
    Oooh hope HYUFD likes my post!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    AlastairMeeks said:

    https://twitter.com/iaindale/status/1264252700532912128?s=21

    Doubtless Bluestblue will be here to inform us shortly that Iain Dale is just another lefty remoaner Meeks.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,152
    another_richard said:

    Question re Cummings.

    Did any of his relatives in Durham get infected ?

    No idea but, if that's a defence, it's rather like a drunk driver saying "well, I didn't actually crash my car, so what's your problem?"
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,620
    With the government now bringing in a quarantine period for international travel doesn't that show what an open goal Starmer has had on the issue for three months.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1264258124535549954
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2020
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    isam said:

    Gallowgate said:

    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    isam said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    One thing to note. The journalists were much-criticised for their near-repetition of questions in the press conferences. But it turns out that the government is claiming that there was small print all along. Its ability to claim that is much diminished by the many answers it gave to very similar questions.

    If they wanted to troll their haters they should just say "It was only advisory"
    That would be five minutes of private amusement at the expense of any ability to get things done from this point on with the cooperation of the public.
    Shapps almost said as much today though, didnt he? And, given that no one has been arrested/prosecuted for breaching the lockdown, it seems it was only advisory
    What are you on about? Over 14,000 people have been fined by Police in England alone for breaching lockdown.
    Oh ok I was wrong, sorry. I asked here earlier if anyone had been prosecuted/arrested and nobody came up with anything, so I assumed they hadn't. How much was the biggest fine?
    How weird to assume that the fact nobody answered your question on an internet forum meant nobody had been arrested.
    Haha

    Usually any error, subjective or factual, is immediately corrected by people wishing to argue, so the absence of one made me think there had been no arrests. Not that weird really, but I humbly apologise
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    another_richard said:

    With the government now bringing in a quarantine period for international travel doesn't that show what an open goal Starmer has had on the issue for three months.

    You only have to look at the reaction from the luvvie media to see why Starmer won't criticise the government on it.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    Oh dear.

    The BoZograph was persuaded to run a spoiler last night that got zero airtime

    Tonight even they have given up

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1264255392898584577
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,620
    SirNorfolkPassmore said:

    another_richard said:

    Question re Cummings.

    Did any of his relatives in Durham get infected ?

    No idea but, if that's a defence, it's rather like a drunk driver saying "well, I didn't actually crash my car, so what's your problem?"
    Its not a defence.

    Rather it would be conclusive proof of his guilt if they did get infected.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405
    MikeSmithson said:

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1264258124535549954

    Just look at the opinion of those new Tory seats in what was Labour's red wall.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    MikeSmithson said:

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1264258124535549954

    The differences in those figures look statistically insignificant to me - unlike leave/remain etc.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,357
    HYUFD said:

    Gallowgate said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    43% of Conservative voters think Cummings should not resign, 41% think he should.

    45% of Leavers think Cummings should resign but a significantly higher 66% of Remainers think he should resign

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/05/23/56b74/2

    59% of Con voters and 63% of Leavers think he broke the rules was what caught my eye.
    Largely irrelevant if they want to keep him in post
    Its not irrelevant in the sense that @Philip_Thompson has been putting in the hours defending him all day.
    Philip Thompson could be Cummings' love child, voted for Brexit, backs Boris, hates May and IDS and believes he is a liberal Brexiteer therefore morally superior to socially conservative Brexiteers
    He could be Cummings
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,298
    Scott_xP said:

    rkrkrk said:

    We will see if Cummings does or doesn't resign. I'm happy to bet if he stays, the lockdown won't unravel in 10 days.

    No, it will unravel tomorrow
    If you come up with a workable definition of 'unravel', I'm happy to bet for charity.

    I might be wrong, but I think this is a bit like the expenses scandal. People will be incredibly angry at the hypocrisy and optics of it. But it's not going to inspire them to start fiddling their own expenses.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,005
    another_richard said:

    With the government now bringing in a quarantine period for international travel doesn't that show what an open goal Starmer has had on the issue for three months.

    Fortunately, that quarantine period is also optional and up to the traveller’s judgement, I understand.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Gallowgate said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    43% of Conservative voters think Cummings should not resign, 41% think he should.

    45% of Leavers think Cummings should resign but a significantly higher 66% of Remainers think he should resign

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2020/05/23/56b74/2

    59% of Con voters and 63% of Leavers think he broke the rules was what caught my eye.
    Largely irrelevant if they want to keep him in post
    Its not irrelevant in the sense that @Philip_Thompson has been putting in the hours defending him all day.
    Philip Thompson could be Cummings' love child, voted for Brexit, backs Boris, hates May and IDS and believes he is a liberal Brexiteer therefore morally superior to socially conservative Brexiteers
    He could be Cummings
    Nope Cummings can occasionally think one step beyond his first thought.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    tyson said:

    Ave_it said:

    stodge said:

    Ave_it said:

    Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

    "End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.
    We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

    Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work
    And then what?...I've got an idea...the Poor House...we can relocate the feckless plebs to camps to live off gruel.....provided they work for it of course...
    You are learning tyson old boy.....
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    tlg86 said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1264258124535549954

    The differences in those figures look statistically insignificant to me - unlike leave/remain etc.
    Only Scotland is any different. Strange take from Mike
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,620
    tlg86 said:

    another_richard said:

    With the government now bringing in a quarantine period for international travel doesn't that show what an open goal Starmer has had on the issue for three months.

    You only have to look at the reaction from the luvvie media to see why Starmer won't criticise the government on it.
    For globalist sociopaths there is no limit on the number of lives worth losing in order to keep freedom of movement.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    another_richard said:

    Question re Cummings.

    Did any of his relatives in Durham get infected ?

    As I said earlier...of more importance.....did his missus, Mrs Dom, leave the bog seat down before flushing after she took a dump en route....

    At least his family knew what they were letting themselves in for....Mrs Dom most probably unleashed her virus full load on some unknowing schmucks who could possibly now be dead.....
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    What happened to "Night time is the right time to fight crime"? You used to be on the side of fighting crime, Dr Cummings.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,620
    eek said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1264258124535549954

    Just look at the opinion of those new Tory seats in what was Labour's red wall.
    They are not separated out there.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254210968899584

    https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254346075598848

    https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254871185829890

    I'll eat my hat if this hasn't cut right through to middle england and they are absolutely fucking furious.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    edited May 2020
    Ave_it said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Ave_it said:

    stodge said:

    Ave_it said:

    Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

    "End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.
    We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

    Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work
    Thanks for that Mr Duncan Smith.
    Oooh hope HYUFD likes my post!
    Personally I support UC but while I support sanctions if you are not looking for work I do not support time limited welfare provided you are following the rules
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    I don't think Boris can balls this out and have bet £50 at 2/1 with Ladbrokes that Cummings will go this month.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Ave_it said:

    tyson said:

    Ave_it said:

    stodge said:

    Ave_it said:

    Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

    "End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.
    We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

    Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work
    And then what?...I've got an idea...the Poor House...we can relocate the feckless plebs to camps to live off gruel.....provided they work for it of course...
    You are learning tyson old boy.....
    I'm learning....

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,620
    Andy_Cooke said:

    another_richard said:

    With the government now bringing in a quarantine period for international travel doesn't that show what an open goal Starmer has had on the issue for three months.

    Fortunately, that quarantine period is also optional and up to the traveller’s judgement, I understand.
    If it is then its worthless.

    Though it may cause aggravation between and employer and an employee who has been abroad.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,052
    edited May 2020
    tlg86 said:

    another_richard said:

    With the government now bringing in a quarantine period for international travel doesn't that show what an open goal Starmer has had on the issue for three months.

    You only have to look at the reaction from the luvvie media to see why Starmer won't criticise the government on it.
    I wonder if that's the motif for the Starmer leadership? Good at forensic point scoring at PMQs but when it comes to taking a principled stand on issues, he's not there.

    His Brexit strategy before the election was designed to offend as few people as possible, but it ended up being so convoluted that nobody knew what it was.

    His school reopening position is similarly bewildering - he's neither for nor against, but wants the teachers and the government to work it out so he doesn't have to take any decisions himself. Or something.

    (For the avoidance of doubt, it may be enough to make him PM in 2024 if the Government is badly unpopular by then).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    https://twitter.com/MarinaHyde/status/1264217861205131264
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Scott_xP said:

    They are totally fucked

    https://twitter.com/cathynewman/status/1264243692354879488

    Not half as much as Channel 4 is.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,139
    MikeSmithson said:

    I don't think Boris can balls this out and have bet £50 at 2/1 with Ladbrokes that Cummings will go this month.

    If a majority of Tory voters think Cummings should go he is toast, at the moment, narrowly, they don't
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,766
    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1264255699347034116
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,862
    *tiptoes in*

    Are we still talking about this? Jeez.

    *tiptoes out again*
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,620
    tyson said:

    another_richard said:

    Question re Cummings.

    Did any of his relatives in Durham get infected ?

    As I said earlier...of more importance.....did his missus, Mrs Dom, leave the bog seat down before flushing after she took a dump en route....

    At least his family knew what they were letting themselves in for....Mrs Dom most probably unleashed her virus full load on some unknowing schmucks who could possibly now be dead.....
    You seem to have developed a curious obsession about public toilets.

    Is there some personal experience you wish to tell us about ?

    There's no need to be bashful, I'm sure SeanT has done worse.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,249
    Is this a real Yougov survey, or is it the online poll they are running for the public on their website?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,060
    https://twitter.com/banalyst/status/1264248719299547138?s=20
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405
    rottenborough said:

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1264255699347034116

    I believe there is a second house on the farm
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1264261391717974016
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    tyson said:

    Ave_it said:

    stodge said:

    Ave_it said:

    Let's scrap the lockdown>end furlough>get the economy going!

    "End furlough" - so those people whose businesses can't or won't re-open have to sign on or claim UC. I didn't know you were such a fan of welfare.
    We get rid of the lockdown rules so businesses should be viable. Those which can't survive will have to find alternative activities and/or their employees will have to find alternative work. It's called real world economics.

    Agree I don't like welfare. Make UC only available after 3 months and then for a maximum of 6 months will ensure people have to find work
    And then what?...I've got an idea...the Poor House...we can relocate the feckless plebs to camps to live off gruel.....provided they work for it of course...
    Workhouses. Top quality idea, Tyson. We could billet the unemployed in the hotels that now stand empty and have them out picking this summer's crop. Longer term we could set up factories adjacent to the hotels and start on-shoring all the work we handed to China.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    rkrkrk said:

    If you come up with a workable definition of 'unravel', I'm happy to bet for charity.

    I might be wrong, but I think this is a bit like the expenses scandal. People will be incredibly angry at the hypocrisy and optics of it. But it's not going to inspire them to start fiddling their own expenses.

    By unravel I mean there will be more people traveling this weekend and visiting relatives, but I don't know how we would measure that.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    MikeSmithson said:

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1264258124535549954

    That’s because he carried the virus there with him.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited May 2020
    rottenborough said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254210968899584

    https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254346075598848

    https://twitter.com/JonnElledge/status/1264254871185829890

    I'll eat my hat if this hasn't cut right through to middle england and they are absolutely fucking furious.

    They were also furious with the photo of the boy lying on the hospital floor ... for two days, and then they forgot about it. I remain utterly perplexed with the obsession with ephemera on here.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,620
    Scott_xP said:

    rkrkrk said:

    If you come up with a workable definition of 'unravel', I'm happy to bet for charity.

    I might be wrong, but I think this is a bit like the expenses scandal. People will be incredibly angry at the hypocrisy and optics of it. But it's not going to inspire them to start fiddling their own expenses.

    By unravel I mean there will be more people traveling this weekend and visiting relatives, but I don't know how we would measure that.
    There was always going to be more people travelling and visiting relatives this weekend.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    Banterman said:

    Nobody in the general public knows who he is. A media bubble story that will go away.

    Still, the media are still mad about Brexit, Boris's election victory and the actual departure on January 31st 2020.

    it reminds me of how Labour and their media mates attacked Lord Ashcroft in 2010 when as now, its a no name to the vast mass of people

    That's a keeper.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1264262838622830601
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/23/new-witnesses-cast-doubt-on-dominic-cummingss-lockdown-claims
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/dominic-cummings-ignored-coronavirus-lockdown-22075857

    The story is unravelling.
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