So a different inflation rate for each region. Easy since we have data for how much houses sell for.
Still issues - 1) Who decides the region, 2) House price inflation can be distorted, e.g. in London a few properties selling at >20M can blank out those selling at far lower prices.
For work I met and had a long chat with the agency in Korea that manages this process for their property taxes.
It is all very well organised and uses repeat sales indices at small areas, combined with size and nature of property. It is all completely independent and accepted by all, with suitable appeal processes and checks and balances. It really isn't hard to create Automated Valuation Models (AVM) when you have access to ALL sales in history, and a full property register with property particulars.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
Presumably the COBRA meetings are in London and massively more convenient for Johnson to attend than Sturgeon.
You’d think so, but the SNP did send MSPs/Ministers in her place, a la Hancock for Boris. I thought maybe they were SNP MPs who were in London which would make sense travel wise, but they were Scottish based MSPs
“ Her seat was taken by Health Secretary Jeane Freeman and Mental Health minister Clare Haughey. Disgraced former Chief Medical Officer Dr Catherine Calderwood also sat in on some.”
Strange. The 'buccaneering' Leavers such as Boris and Gove are now very much in the Autumn of their careers. Yet the country will be contending with the effects of their ephemeral fantasies when they are long gone. Perspective can be a poignant thing.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
Yes he is and there is fuckall you csn do about it fir the next 10 yrs or so.. suck it up."mate".
[Mansion tax] Establishing property values might be a challenge for quite some time.
This is a standard problem for "wealth" taxes such as LVT. The first issue is practical: how to quickly and accurately value many millions of properties. Problem two is that the tax itself will affect those values, so you would need to instantly re-value everything (and so-on).
Wealth taxes may or may not come in longer term, but I don't see them as a short-term solution.
Land value tax is a tax on the value of the land, not the properties on it.
I also don't see what's difficult about valuing properties. Other countries do this fine. One simple way is to say a property is worth what you paid for it when purchased +x% each year where x is house price inflation.
That would give you very different figures up North compared to down South.
Here house prices still sell at 2004 prices, down South I don't think that's the case.
We have the same problem with council tax but the country lives with it.
Not very well when I look at the money a council in the South has to spend compared to the North after Osbourne removed the balancing grants.
Exactly, all systems are imperfect. LVT is not perfect but doesnt need to be either, its better than what we have.
Systems are fair when their is a balancing agent to reflect the imperfections, it falls apart when the balancing agent is withdrawn without replacement.
Now for the moment the unfairness has resulted in Labour councils being blamed for the problems which resulted in Labour losing in the North.
It also means that unless it's fixed the Tories will be being blamed for a lack of improvement in the election after next.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
Yes he is and there is fuckall you csn do about it fir the next 10 yrs or so.. suck it up."mate".
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
Yes he is and there is fuckall you csn do about it fir the next 10 yrs or so.. suck it up."mate".
You seem nice.
Well there you go.. i was just replyong to OkC's rather nssty description of the PM..
I owned an Alfasud Sprint, they didn't even bother painting the bits under the carpets...
I had a '79 ti. It's the reason I am such a competent welder now.
I had a Lancia Beta once. A fantastic engine and driving experience. Then one MOT, it was jacked up for a chassis inspection. It was only the rust holding it together.
Indeed it is impressive how few rusty cars we see nowadays. The days waxoyling everything in sight and bodging filler in the sills are just happy memories.
In terms of socialist engineering, I did learn to ride on an MZ 125, in all its premixed 2 stroke slippery tyred glory. 6v electrics that failed in the rain and cable drum brakes. It certainly taught me traffic awareness!
Just like the Alpha Romeo 1.6 GT Junior I had. Almost as bad as the MGB GT.
Makes me feel homesick and sad. I can see my childhood home just to the left of the trees in the middle of the film - the Villa Communale where we played as children.
But superb nonetheless.
I have stayed at the Miramare which is just around the corner in that photo
I also don't see what's difficult about valuing properties. Other countries do this fine. One simple way is to say a property is worth what you paid for it when purchased +x% each year where x is house price inflation.
This only works well for properties that are regularly sold. I recently looked at a house for sale, built around 1900, that had never been on the market (estate property).
I agree none of this is unsurmountable, but is this really the time?
Valuations are surely used for council tax assessment? They are based on 1991 figures for property existing then (and can be updated by inflation), because no government has had the nerve to update them, but there is a general consensus that this needs to be done sometime, and a government with a majority of 80 should be able to do it.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
Yes he is and there is fuckall you csn do about it fir the next 10 yrs or so.. suck it up."mate".
You seem nice.
Well there you go.. i was just replyong to OkC's rather nssty description of the PM..
Caesar's soldiers marched through Rome singing about the "bald whoremonger" that was their leader, advising citizens to lock their wives away. As a classical scholar I imagine Boris would be amused.
I also don't see what's difficult about valuing properties. Other countries do this fine. One simple way is to say a property is worth what you paid for it when purchased +x% each year where x is house price inflation.
This only works well for properties that are regularly sold. I recently looked at a house for sale, built around 1900, that had never been on the market (estate property).
I agree none of this is unsurmountable, but is this really the time?
Valuations are surely used for council tax assessment? They are based on 1991 figures for property existing then (and can be updated by inflation), because no government has had the nerve to update them, but there is a general consensus that this needs to be done sometime, and a government with a majority of 80 should be able to do it.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
Yes he is and there is fuckall you csn do about it fir the next 10 yrs or so.. suck it up."mate".
You seem nice.
Well there you go.. i was just replyong to OkC's rather nssty description of the PM..
Caesar's soldiers marched through Rome singing about the "bald whoremonger" that was their leader, advising citizens to lock their wives away. As a classical scholar I imagine Boris would be amused.
Remarkably impressive that the doctors not only correctly identified all COVID-19 deaths, but they didn’t assign COVID-19 to deaths where it wasn’t present:
Presumably the COBRA meetings are in London and massively more convenient for Johnson to attend than Sturgeon.
Video conferencing is a thing, you know?
MSPs based on Scotland attended instead of Sturgeon, so it wasn’t convenience of venue that decided whether she did or not.
Neither of them failed to attend because they didn’t care, it was early on, before we knew how bad it was to get, the WHO were downplaying it, and their health ministers were there. Petty party Political point scoring is all we are discussing. The one strange thing is that Blackford attacked Boris for it , but didn’t think to ask if Nicola went
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
What I'm wondering is if the expression comes from Richard Hoggart or Timothy Mo (the latter with a possibly topical Chinese connection). Or perhaps neither.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
What I'm wondering is if the expression comes from Richard Hoggart or Timothy Mo (the latter with a possibly topical Chinese connection). Or perhaps neither.
Sorry - no edit button here - I shoul dhave said, Hoggart's reminiscees (Herne Bay) or Mo's novel (China). Neither refers to Mr Johnson.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
What I'm wondering is if the expression comes from Richard Hoggart or Timothy Mo (the latter with a possibly topical Chinese connection). Or perhaps neither.
I like the expression 'stout'. You don't see it any more. In the olden days they were much more no-nonsense. See also 'plain'.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
What I'm wondering is if the expression comes from Richard Hoggart or Timothy Mo (the latter with a possibly topical Chinese connection). Or perhaps neither.
I like the expression 'stout'. You don't see it any more. In the olden days they were much more no-nonsense. See also 'plain'.
Interesting crossover with stout = robust. Well fed John Bull at a time when porkiness was held to be a sign of health.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
What I'm wondering is if the expression comes from Richard Hoggart or Timothy Mo (the latter with a possibly topical Chinese connection). Or perhaps neither.
I like the expression 'stout'. You don't see it any more. In the olden days they were much more no-nonsense. See also 'plain'.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
What has his weight got to do with anything?
The word used in the original post was "fat", and some people were objecting to it. It suggests laziness and over-self-indulence, of course, but I am not sure why it would be relevant or objectionable otherwise.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
What has his weight got to do with anything?
The word used in the original post was "fat", and some people were objecting to it. It suggests laziness and over-self-indulence, of course, but I am not sure why it would be relevant or objectionable otherwise.
You aren't sure why it would be objectionable. Are you being serious? I assume you walk around the street calling people fat all the time.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
What has his weight got to do with anything?
The word used in the original post was "fat", and some people were objecting to it. It suggests laziness and over-self-indulence, of course, but I am not sure why it would be relevant or objectionable otherwise.
It is all about context and nuance. Ronnie Kray shot a man dead for calling him a "fat poof" even though he'd have had no grounds for recourse to the libel courts.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
What I'm wondering is if the expression comes from Richard Hoggart or Timothy Mo (the latter with a possibly topical Chinese connection). Or perhaps neither.
I like the expression 'stout'. You don't see it any more. In the olden days they were much more no-nonsense. See also 'plain'.
Stout stud?
Corpulent Cocksman. Some tories are very keen on policing language all of sudden.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
What I'm wondering is if the expression comes from Richard Hoggart or Timothy Mo (the latter with a possibly topical Chinese connection). Or perhaps neither.
I like the expression 'stout'. You don't see it any more. In the olden days they were much more no-nonsense. See also 'plain'.
Stout stud?
Corpulent Cocksman. Some tories are very keen on policing language all of sudden.
One Tory has raised a slight objection to the language. I am not seriously suggesting the word 'stout' should be used, it was a general language observation. Fat is fine by me.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
What has his weight got to do with anything?
The word used in the original post was "fat", and some people were objecting to it. It suggests laziness and over-self-indulence, of course, but I am not sure why it would be relevant or objectionable otherwise.
I understand that "bubbly and vivacious" is code for "as fat as a pig" on dating sites, so you could go with that.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
What I'm wondering is if the expression comes from Richard Hoggart or Timothy Mo (the latter with a possibly topical Chinese connection). Or perhaps neither.
I like the expression 'stout'. You don't see it any more. In the olden days they were much more no-nonsense. See also 'plain'.
Stout stud?
Corpulent Cocksman. Some tories are very keen on policing language all of sudden.
Fleshy Philanderer. Lardy Layer (though that suggests the totality of BJ's dermis).
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
What I'm wondering is if the expression comes from Richard Hoggart or Timothy Mo (the latter with a possibly topical Chinese connection). Or perhaps neither.
I like the expression 'stout'. You don't see it any more. In the olden days they were much more no-nonsense. See also 'plain'.
Stout stud?
Corpulent Cocksman. Some tories are very keen on policing language all of sudden.
Fleshy Philanderer. Lardy Layer (though that suggests the totality of BJ's dermis).
Although I'm unhappy to derial the best Boris adjectives thread, this seems a little pertinent for all those who were yesteday claiming that Cummings was as silent as a SPAD can be during SAGE meetings. Unless he is fluent in sign langauage as well as Russian I doubt he would have been able to make an 'active' contribution otherwise.
However, the two other Sage attendees the Guardian spoke to painted a different picture to that presented by No 10, which has been striving to play down the influence of the two advisers. Both Sage attendees declined to be named.
“I have been concerned sometimes that Sage has become too operational, so we’ve ended up looking as though we are making decisions,” one of them said, making clear that Cummings had been involved on those occasions. “It contravenes previous guidelines about how you make sure you get impartial scientific advice going through to politicians, who make the decisions.”
Referring to both Cummings and Warner, the Sage attendee added: “When a very senior civil servant or a very well-connected person interrupts, then I don’t think anyone in the room feels the power to stop it. When you get to discussing where advice might be going, there have been occasions where they have been involved, and a couple of times I’ve thought: that’s not what we are supposed to be doing.”
A second Sage attendee said Cummings had played an active role meetings from February onwards. They said they were initially shocked to discover Cummings was taking part in a meeting of supposedly independent scientific experts.
“He was not just an observer, he’s listed as an active participant,” the source said. “He was engaging in conversation and not sitting silently.” The second attendee said Cumming’s involvement was worrying because of his reputation in Whitehall and the questions his participation raises about Sage’s role as a neutral body of expert advisers.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
What I'm wondering is if the expression comes from Richard Hoggart or Timothy Mo (the latter with a possibly topical Chinese connection). Or perhaps neither.
I like the expression 'stout'. You don't see it any more. In the olden days they were much more no-nonsense. See also 'plain'.
Stout stud?
Corpulent Cocksman. Some tories are very keen on policing language all of sudden.
Fleshy Philanderer. Lardy Layer (though that suggests the totality of BJ's dermis).
Bonking Billy Bunter.
Bung a bob for a big Ben Brexit bong bellows Bonking Billy Bunter.
Late to the party, but the line from Casablanca is:
"Play it, Sam!"
I thought the "Sam" was apocryphal -
"You played it for her now play it for me. Play it."
“You know what I want to hear. … You played it for her, you can play it for me!” “…Well, I don’t think I can remember…” “If she can stand it, I can! Play it!”
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
That really is an unpleasant phrase. Are we really resorting to name-calling?
Would you prefer the word "overweight"? Or perhaps "obese"?
What has his weight got to do with anything?
The word used in the original post was "fat", and some people were objecting to it. It suggests laziness and over-self-indulence, of course, but I am not sure why it would be relevant or objectionable otherwise.
You aren't sure why it would be objectionable. Are you being serious? I assume you walk around the street calling people fat all the time.
No, certainly not, and even less under present circumstaces. I am rarely out in the street to see them.
Though it is true that I do sometimes suggest to certain friends that they ought to lose a bit of weight. As I myself ought to, of course.
I still do not understand the Tory anger at Johnson´s being called a "Fat Fornicator". It is just a descriptive term.
Late to the party, but the line from Casablanca is:
"Play it, Sam!"
I thought the "Sam" was apocryphal -
"You played it for her now play it for me. Play it."
Similar to the Sherlock Holmes quote "Elementary my dear Watson" save for the fact that Holmes never said ut. He did howver say "Elementary" ! ..but nothing more than that.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing.
I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit.
I wish it weren't so, but it is.
We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur:
"A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine.
Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't.
You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
We are locked up
How's your wife doing by the way? I know its a (more than normally) worrying time for those with underlying health issues. I've got one 64 year old friend who's had an NHS "do not cross your threshold" letter.
She is improving but cannot go to hospital for x-rays or any other stuff at present. She is on the 12 week lockdown so I am same , been out twice for prescriptions since she came home 30th January. Both consultant and GP phoned and said do not go out at all. Government have finally sorted out stuff and prescriptions get delivered and hopefully will now be able to get slots at supermarkets. Think realistically we will be in for a good while. Thanks for asking.
Lies printed by Tory mouthpiece you halfwit. She was doing her day job running Scotland's effort and had flunkey's at the unimportant UK meetings. Unlike Boris she was not away impregnating someone and planning how to tell his wife with cancer and his children they were not just dumped but totally out of it. PS : you sound dumb enough and nasty enough to be Murdo's dumber English alter ego. Do you run about with a sash thinking of 1690 by any chance.
As their baby is due "early summer", means Boris would to have been playing hooky from Covid COBRA in September-October. Which would be a story in its own right.
Or you could just be spouting bollocks, stung by discovering Sturgeon has been "AWOL" from the same meetings as Boris! lolz!
Another brown nose Tory trying to defend the indefensible. Where was he during those weeks other than in hiding planning how to dump the wife and kids without it being a PR disaster. His day job is not running the country for sure.
Malc, at least try and appear fair. Boris Johnson obviously had other things he considered more important than attending COBRA on the dates he missed. An appropriate deputy was assigned. The same with Sturgeon. You cannot say she was doing vital work on Scotland's coronavirus strategy when she was tweeting photos of her playing netball in Dundee. If you criticise Boris for it, as the SNP has been very happy to do, the same criticism must be levelled at Sturgeon.
As for the UK meeting being unimportant, I thought Scotland was toiling in captivity to its colonial English overlords? Or are you really saying that Scotland has enough autonomy to render the UK level response insignificant?
No , No and No. Boris is an arse pure and simple, would not trust him to run a bath. Whilst I also do not like Sturgeon she at least comes across as a leader and sounds as if she is not just in it for herself or there for a laugh.
I was reading this morning about the new Hong Kong screening plans, then chatting to a friend in Thailand on how they have got on top of this virus, before studying how NZ is handling social distancing. I then suggested to a friend over a late breakfast just how shit the UK is. Gloss it as much as you like, pretend otherwise or just ignore the truth but we are absolutely shit. From the non-screening at airports, to the lack of alcohol dispensers, the non-wearing of face masks, the absence of PPE, the non-testing we are absolutely shit. I wish it weren't so, but it is. We are a fourth-rate nation of deluded grandeur: "A living vision of that which has already been left far behind by the flowing streams of Time."
I'm continually at a loss as to why screening at airports is required when you are returning to a country in lockdown? Could you explain what benefits you get by screening and quarantining people when everyone else is in quarantine. Implementing screening, testing and a 14 day quarantine on arrivals when other people are out and about makes sense but at the moment when all you can do is arrive in the UK, head home and stay there?
The UK is not in quarantine. You stay at home except for 1) essentials shopping, 2) daily exercise 3) medical needs. In quarantine you stay at home. You do not go out. You do not pop out for a jog. You do not go out for groceries.
Yes, people think we have locked up the over 70s, we haven't. You have to be on the shielding list to be locked up.
Most, if not all of my over 70's friends are in some form of social isolation. But of course, most of us us have something which is said to mean an increased risk. And just been talking with my son in Thailand, who says that a) they look like relaxing the rules shortly and b) that his international friends think that Britain has badly mishandled things.
When you say "Britain", do you mean really Johnson and his chums?
Well, regrettable though it is, The Fat Fornicator is PM and can rely on a parliamentary majority.
Yes he is and there is fuckall you csn do about it fir the next 10 yrs or so.. suck it up."mate".
You seem nice.
Well there you go.. i was just replyong to OkC's rather nssty description of the PM..
I thought he was been overgenerous to the buffoon.
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It is all very well organised and uses repeat sales indices at small areas, combined with size and nature of property. It is all completely independent and accepted by all, with suitable appeal processes and checks and balances. It really isn't hard to create Automated Valuation Models (AVM) when you have access to ALL sales in history, and a full property register with property particulars.
“ Her seat was taken by Health Secretary Jeane Freeman and Mental Health minister Clare Haughey. Disgraced former Chief Medical Officer Dr Catherine Calderwood also sat in on some.”
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nicola-sturgeon-skipped-six-crucial-21927523
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7548215/Jennifer-Arcuri-bragged-sex-Boris-Johnson-claims-Milo-Yiannopoulos.html
I can't quite decide if that level of detail is something you'd make up or not.
Now for the moment the unfairness has resulted in Labour councils being blamed for the problems which resulted in Labour losing in the North.
It also means that unless it's fixed the Tories will be being blamed for a lack of improvement in the election after next.
Well there you go.. i was just replyong to OkC's rather nssty description of the PM..
Neither of them failed to attend because they didn’t care, it was early on, before we knew how bad it was to get, the WHO were downplaying it, and their health ministers were there. Petty party Political point scoring is all we are discussing. The one strange thing is that Blackford attacked Boris for it , but didn’t think to ask if Nicola went
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1254391282711101440
I worry I'll start adding pineapples to my pizzas next.
Also talks about Scottish independence.
"Play it, Sam!"
EDIT: Ooops! Wrong forum!
Lardy Layer (though that suggests the totality of BJ's dermis).
368 inc. Scotland and Wales (+18, +14 respectively). Not sure about NI.
NEW THREAD
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/attendees-of-sage-coronavirus-meetings-worried-by-presence-of-dominic-cummings
The key part:
However, the two other Sage attendees the Guardian spoke to painted a different picture to that presented by No 10, which has been striving to play down the influence of the two advisers. Both Sage attendees declined to be named.
“I have been concerned sometimes that Sage has become too operational, so we’ve ended up looking as though we are making decisions,” one of them said, making clear that Cummings had been involved on those occasions. “It contravenes previous guidelines about how you make sure you get impartial scientific advice going through to politicians, who make the decisions.”
Referring to both Cummings and Warner, the Sage attendee added: “When a very senior civil servant or a very well-connected person interrupts, then I don’t think anyone in the room feels the power to stop it. When you get to discussing where advice might be going, there have been occasions where they have been involved, and a couple of times I’ve thought: that’s not what we are supposed to be doing.”
A second Sage attendee said Cummings had played an active role meetings from February onwards. They said they were initially shocked to discover Cummings was taking part in a meeting of supposedly independent scientific experts.
“He was not just an observer, he’s listed as an active participant,” the source said. “He was engaging in conversation and not sitting silently.” The second attendee said Cumming’s involvement was worrying because of his reputation in Whitehall and the questions his participation raises about Sage’s role as a neutral body of expert advisers.
"You played it for her now play it for me. Play it."
(that's enough Bs - ed)
“…Well, I don’t think I can remember…”
“If she can stand it, I can! Play it!”
Though it is true that I do sometimes suggest to certain friends that they ought to lose a bit of weight. As I myself ought to, of course.
I still do not understand the Tory anger at Johnson´s being called a "Fat Fornicator". It is just a descriptive term.
He did howver say "Elementary" ! ..but nothing more than that.