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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,912
    Foxy said:

    eristdoof said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hello.

    I'm hosting a virtual quiz night on Saturday. Both Americans and Brits will be participating.

    It would be great if everyone shared their favorite quiz question.

    Thanks!

    Not recognising this question literally cost me and my pub team €500 in the Jackpot round. The names sparked something in my memory and I was heading in the right direction, but it was a bang the head against tha wall moment when I heard the answer.

    "Where do you find Piscine Molitor Patel and Richard Parker?"
    In a lifeboat
    "Is an acceptable answer"!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Like children in the backseat of the car moaning “are we nearly there yet?”, they don’t have constructive suggestions but they don’t half make a racket.

    :) Spot on
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,396
    edited April 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Hello.

    I'm hosting a virtual quiz night on Saturday. Both Americans and Brits will be participating.

    It would be great if everyone shared their favorite quiz question.

    Thanks!

    What happened on September the 10th 1752?

    That one works just as well in the US as here.
    Brilliant
    But will they have 11 days to get the answer?

    Edit - if you want to have a round where everybody gets a point, you could ask them which day the Russian Revolution happened, out of (a) 23rd February (b) 8th March and (c) International Women’s Day. Because, of course, all three of those are correct, so whichever answer they give they get a point.
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    One of my favourite quiz questions.


    Pregnant woman goes out of her room, goes to the fridge, opens a can of tuna, a soda, a yogurt, and a cookie.

    What did she open first?
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125
    Her mouth.
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    felix said:

    Her mouth.

    Legs is the correct answer.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean Connery, Roger Moore and Daniel Craig each get at least one movie in the top five grossing James Bond movies (adjusted for inflation). One point for getting one for each actor, so a maximum of three.

    You see, I’d have a problem with a question like that because I’d probably disagree with the true answer and thus the paying public.
    OK... don't Google... and guess three movies. I got two of three, getting Connery and Craig right, but Moore wrong.
    Thunderball, Moonraker and Skyfall would be my guesses.
    All of which were the worst films of their respective stars (OK, so Diamonds are Forever was possibly worse than Thunderball).
    Actually, I might slightly disagree with Moonraker.

    Everyone remembers the sight gags and the cheesy lasers but the first hour or so is Bond doing a decent amount of investigative and detective work and it has some great location shots in Rio and Venice.

    Also, I quite like Barry’s score and there are moments of genuine suspense, such as when the lab technicians die due to the orchid, Corrine is chased to her death by dogs and Bond shotguns the sniper.

    I find it quite fun.
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,912
    rcs1000 said:

    eristdoof said:

    Beatles questions often go down well. Eg. What was the last Beatles album recorded? and who is Richard Starkey? (don't say that the second one is a Beatles question!)

    Of all the Beatles, which one had the best selling solo album?

    And which was the last former Beatle to top the the US singles charts?
    My post Beatles trivia is not so good, but I suspect from your asking the question that they are slightly unexpected.
    Without googling them I guess
    best selling album: George (had a couple of very big albums in the 70s)
    Last No 1: Ringo (probably with other artists in a charity single)
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean Connery, Roger Moore and Daniel Craig each get at least one movie in the top five grossing James Bond movies (adjusted for inflation). One point for getting one for each actor, so a maximum of three.

    You see, I’d have a problem with a question like that because I’d probably disagree with the true answer and thus the paying public.
    OK... don't Google... and guess three movies. I got two of three, getting Connery and Craig right, but Moore wrong.
    Thunderball, Moonraker and Skyfall would be my guesses.
    All of which were the worst films of their respective stars (OK, so Diamonds are Forever was possibly worse than Thunderball).
    Actually, I might slightly disagree with Moonraker.

    Everyone remembers the sight gags and the cheesy lasers but the first hour or so is Bond doing a decent amount of investigative and detective work and it has some great location shots in Rio and Venice.

    Also, I quite like Barry’s score and there are moments of genuine suspense, such as when the lab technicians die due to the orchid, Corrine is chased to her death by dogs and Bond shotguns the sniper.

    I find it quite fun.
    And also chasing down the modules with the space shuttle at the end for destruction. That is intense, particularly with the music.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068

    One of my favourite quiz questions.


    Pregnant woman goes out of her room, goes to the fridge, opens a can of tuna, a soda, a yogurt, and a cookie.

    What did she open first?

    The fridge
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060

    rcs1000 said:

    Hello.

    I'm hosting a virtual quiz night on Saturday. Both Americans and Brits will be participating.

    It would be great if everyone shared their favorite quiz question.

    Thanks!

    My balls are black and blue. I've hit them with a mallet. What am I playing?
    Croquet I hope...
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean Connery, Roger Moore and Daniel Craig each get at least one movie in the top five grossing James Bond movies (adjusted for inflation). One point for getting one for each actor, so a maximum of three.

    You see, I’d have a problem with a question like that because I’d probably disagree with the true answer and thus the paying public.
    OK... don't Google... and guess three movies. I got two of three, getting Connery and Craig right, but Moore wrong.
    Thunderball, Moonraker and Skyfall would be my guesses.
    All of which were the worst films of their respective stars (OK, so Diamonds are Forever was possibly worse than Thunderball).
    Actually, I might slightly disagree with Moonraker.

    Everyone remembers the sight gags and the cheesy lasers but the first hour or so is Bond doing a decent amount of investigative and detective work and it has some great location shots in Rio and Venice.

    Also, I quite like Barry’s score and there are moments of genuine suspense, such as when the lab technicians die due to the orchid, Corrine is chased to her death by dogs and Bond shotguns the sniper.

    I find it quite fun.
    The first half of Moonraker is actually very good. Sadly...
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    The best Bond film is Casino Royale for this scene alone.

    My friends that evening thought I was going to need oxygen in the cinema.

    https://youtu.be/LE1evIbc3mw
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    eristdoof said:

    rcs1000 said:

    eristdoof said:

    Beatles questions often go down well. Eg. What was the last Beatles album recorded? and who is Richard Starkey? (don't say that the second one is a Beatles question!)

    Of all the Beatles, which one had the best selling solo album?

    And which was the last former Beatle to top the the US singles charts?
    My post Beatles trivia is not so good, but I suspect from your asking the question that they are slightly unexpected.
    Without googling them I guess
    best selling album: George (had a couple of very big albums in the 70s)
    Last No 1: Ringo (probably with other artists in a charity single)
    All Things Must Pass was - by a country mile - the best selling album by a former Beatle.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645
    Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day were diabolical. The Man with the Golden Gun isn’t far behind - could have been great (and I love the location shots) but ruined by so many things.

    A View to A Kill is saved by Christopher Walken.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    Who played James Bond in Casino Royale? A point for each correct answer.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068

    Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day were diabolical. The Man with the Golden Gun isn’t far behind - could have been great (and I love the location shots) but ruined by so many things.

    A View to A Kill is saved by Christopher Walken.

    Great baddie.

    Bloody awful movie.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    Jonathan said:

    Who played James Bond in Casino Royale? A point for each correct answer.

    I think there are three correct answers there...
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,396
    rcs1000 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Who played James Bond in Casino Royale? A point for each correct answer.

    I think there are three correct answers there...
    Surely eight?
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    whunterwhunter Posts: 60

    rcs1000 said:

    I think the lockdown should start to be lifted by the end of the month.

    I don't think it's the worst of all worlds. The NHS hasn't hit capacity, and the virus hasn't gone away, so we need to safely reinstate as much economic activity as we can within its bounds.

    Exactly right. The number of new infections will be on a downward path, and we can SLOWLY begin to remove the most severe restrictions.
    I can see social distancing remaining for some time.

    But, I don't see why that can't permit openings of schools and nurseries (definitely), pubs, restuarants and cinemas (with suitable separation and timing/booked seatings, if necessary) plus parents, grandparents and their children being able to see one another.

    Nightclubs, crowded bars, mass parties, and large race meets may still need to be postponed (for now) unless and until they can be done safely.

    (Oh, and strip the bloody police of their extra powers asap.)
    Those police powers are going nowhere soon. The time they will most be needed is to prevent idiots taking stupid risks when people are venturing out and about again. They will remain high profile, walking around the towns, cruising around in cars, giving people, er, "reassurance".... In case anybody might cough.
    The police have behaved appallingly this crisis and have lost my confidence. They aren’t able to discern between genuine “idiots” and just picking on families and couples unnecessarily because they can. They don’t understand either the law or the risk.

    I don’t want them having the powers one second longer than necessary, and then I want all increases in their numbers cancelled.
    There's absolutely no chance of this happening.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,443
    The lead hits an important issue, which is to challenge the assumption that the economy is like a tap that simply needs to be turned on or off. Trump and many commentators assume normality will return the minute we are allowed freely out of the house.

    In the short term, I still see an inflationary spike, as people are released eager to do or buy stuff, and the wall of saved money plus government money meets shortages in supply, and businesses that need to recover lost profit. We're already seeing this in the industry worst affected, where cruise prices for 2021 bookings are rising.

    However in the medium term, there are good reasons for thinking that we won't see a quick return to normal. Off the top of my head:

    - we will be in a risk averse climate where many, particularly the more vulnerable, will be cautious about their lifestyle regardless of an official release;
    - consumers missed by the rescue schemes, or who have taken loans or mortgage holidays, will need to repair their own finances;
    - we are likely to live in fear of a return of the virus in winter 2020 and return of lockdown possibly sooner;
    - the crisis will have ruined some businesses permanently, and it will take time for those assets to be re-used by new entrepreneurs;
    - this month's experience may change some people's attitudes, reducing (possibly permanently) demand for leisure travel, business travel, and the thirst for conspicuous consumption. There will be people leaving the labour market, attracted by a quieter life;
    - the level of new startups will surely fall, after such a vivid demonstration of the risks of starting your own business. Running your own café or restaurant is a bad dream right now.
    - the government will have to repair the national balance sheet, which is going to mean taking money out of the economy.
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,912
    rcs1000 said:

    eristdoof said:

    rcs1000 said:

    eristdoof said:

    Beatles questions often go down well. Eg. What was the last Beatles album recorded? and who is Richard Starkey? (don't say that the second one is a Beatles question!)

    Of all the Beatles, which one had the best selling solo album?

    And which was the last former Beatle to top the the US singles charts?
    My post Beatles trivia is not so good, but I suspect from your asking the question that they are slightly unexpected.
    Without googling them I guess
    best selling album: George (had a couple of very big albums in the 70s)
    Last No 1: Ringo (probably with other artists in a charity single)
    All Things Must Pass was - by a country mile - the best selling album by a former Beatle.
    Thanks, I was thinking of that one but couldn't recall my name and wanted to be true to my comment about not googling. The other one I was thinking of was Concert for Bangladesh.

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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,912
    IanB2 said:

    The lead hits an important issue, which is to challenge the assumption that the economy is like a tap that simply needs to be turned on or off. Trump and many commentators assume normality will return the minute we are allowed freely out of the house.

    In the short term, I still see an inflationary spike, as people are released eager to do or buy stuff, and the wall of saved money plus government money meets shortages in supply, and businesses that need to recover lost profit. We're already seeing this in the industry worst affected, where cruise prices for 2021 bookings are rising.

    However in the medium term, there are good reasons for thinking that we won't see a quick return to normal. Off the top of my head:

    - we will be in a risk averse climate where many, particularly the more vulnerable, will be cautious about their lifestyle regardless of an official release;
    - consumers missed by the rescue schemes, or who have taken loans or mortgage holidays, will need to repair their own finances;
    - we are likely to live in fear of a return of the virus in winter 2020 and return of lockdown possibly sooner;
    - the crisis will have ruined some businesses permanently, and it will take time for those assets to be re-used by new entrepreneurs;
    - this month's experience may change some people's attitudes, reducing (possibly permanently) demand for leisure travel, business travel, and the thirst for conspicuous consumption. There will be people leaving the labour market, attracted by a quieter life;
    - the level of new startups will surely fall, after such a vivid demonstration of the risks of starting your own business. Running your own café or restaurant is a bad dream right now.
    - the government will have to repair the national balance sheet, which is going to mean taking money out of the economy.

    Tough one, ... Is the answer Elvis Presley?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645
    whunter said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think the lockdown should start to be lifted by the end of the month.

    I don't think it's the worst of all worlds. The NHS hasn't hit capacity, and the virus hasn't gone away, so we need to safely reinstate as much economic activity as we can within its bounds.

    Exactly right. The number of new infections will be on a downward path, and we can SLOWLY begin to remove the most severe restrictions.
    I can see social distancing remaining for some time.

    But, I don't see why that can't permit openings of schools and nurseries (definitely), pubs, restuarants and cinemas (with suitable separation and timing/booked seatings, if necessary) plus parents, grandparents and their children being able to see one another.

    Nightclubs, crowded bars, mass parties, and large race meets may still need to be postponed (for now) unless and until they can be done safely.

    (Oh, and strip the bloody police of their extra powers asap.)
    Those police powers are going nowhere soon. The time they will most be needed is to prevent idiots taking stupid risks when people are venturing out and about again. They will remain high profile, walking around the towns, cruising around in cars, giving people, er, "reassurance".... In case anybody might cough.
    The police have behaved appallingly this crisis and have lost my confidence. They aren’t able to discern between genuine “idiots” and just picking on families and couples unnecessarily because they can. They don’t understand either the law or the risk.

    I don’t want them having the powers one second longer than necessary, and then I want all increases in their numbers cancelled.
    There's absolutely no chance of this happening.
    Well, that certainly isn’t true.

    In a climate of public spending retrenchment (which will be necessary) a reverse in police numbers is certainly a possibility- particularly if they’ve trashed their reputation and trust.
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    SockySocky Posts: 404
    Q: What are BA, Whitworth, and UNF ?

    A: Screw threads

    (got to have one for the engineers)
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    Right,

    I'm off to bed. Thanks ALL for your great questions for my quiz night

    Thx
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,809
    eristdoof said:

    Beatles questions often go down well. Eg. What was the last Beatles album recorded?

    The Best of the Beatles?

    *End Alan Partridge Mode*
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,792
    Yokes said:

    On what scientific or comparative statistical basis the UK doing badly? That above chart? The chart that takes into account no context or size of country, population differences and so on? For gods sake.

    In 6 months time if the death toll here is comparatively high per head of population vs other countries you can say that but we are early into a multi month situation with a virus we understand little about so far despite all the great work done by scientists. As it stands the UK's situation is not exceptionally bad, nor good. We have no absolute methodology of putting this to ground, its purely management for demand on the public health system. Lots of people have had it, lots will get it in the months to come

    People are dying, what a surprise, did you miss the kind of numbers being bandied about at the start? People will die for months to come. Only then can we judge whether we are doing 'badly'.








    John Burn Murdoch explains his rationale in the video below. There's no "right answer" but there's a reason why this chart gets widely quoted. It's all about trends. The UK will probably end up with a similar death toll to Italy in this phase of epidemic. As Italy and the UK have similar populations, deaths per million will also be similar. Several other countries in Europe will have better initial outcomes. These will at least be in part be sure to those governments taking better decisions and executing better on them.

    https://twitter.com/janinegibson/status/1244519429825802240
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,912

    rcs1000 said:

    Hello.

    I'm hosting a virtual quiz night on Saturday. Both Americans and Brits will be participating.

    It would be great if everyone shared their favorite quiz question.

    Thanks!

    What happened on September the 10th 1752?

    That one works just as well in the US as here.
    I set this question in a different way in a pub quiz:

    What ist the relevance of the following years (in each given city)?
    1582 in Rome
    1582 and 1806 in Paris
    1700 in Berlin
    1752 in London
    1873 in Kyoto
    1918 in Moscow


    Paris is particularly odd. I chose to specify cities because countries have changed since 1582.
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    BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884

    Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day were diabolical. The Man with the Golden Gun isn’t far behind - could have been great (and I love the location shots) but ruined by so many things.

    A View to A Kill is saved by Christopher Walken.

    There is, potentially, a good plot hiding away in Die Another Day.

    "The pre credits are good and the scenes in Hong Kong decent.
    And where does that leave us?

    UK think he cracked and gave away state secrets, you've got Micheal Madsen as a US agent who thinks Bond cracked, a Korean general who lost his son and Bond trying to find who set him up in Korea (you need to make it slightly clearer in that scene that he got set up by *someone*). And, Bond isn't 100 % sure if he did give away secrets under pressure.

    Rewrite Toby Stephens character as UK trying to keep track of what Bond is actually doing, keeping a rivalry between them (friendly turning to deadly - he's there to take Bond out if UK fears turn out to be correct). Keep Ros Pike as the actual traitor - maybe she met the Korean at University or on a fencing tournament or something. The General wants to get revenge on UK/Bond so there's your over-arching plot.

    And Madsen? Keep his role ambivalent. He has no friends, only interests. Halle Berry might be the equivalent of Toby Stephens character in this for the US - they're not sure what Madsen is doing either. Or just cut her altogether.

    No DNA malarky, no ice castles, no invisible cars. Just a grief stricken old man trying to avenge his son, Bond trying to work out if he is the liability and three or four characters that you just don't know if you trust or not.

    If you can't write that into a decent film, then you're useless, frankly."
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    To the nearest billion -and between all these firms- how much were the shareholders of all these firms bailed out:

    RBS, Northern Rock and Bradford and Bingley in the UK
    Lehman Brothers in the US
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645
    IanB2 said:

    The lead hits an important issue, which is to challenge the assumption that the economy is like a tap that simply needs to be turned on or off. Trump and many commentators assume normality will return the minute we are allowed freely out of the house.

    In the short term, I still see an inflationary spike, as people are released eager to do or buy stuff, and the wall of saved money plus government money meets shortages in supply, and businesses that need to recover lost profit. We're already seeing this in the industry worst affected, where cruise prices for 2021 bookings are rising.

    However in the medium term, there are good reasons for thinking that we won't see a quick return to normal. Off the top of my head:

    - we will be in a risk averse climate where many, particularly the more vulnerable, will be cautious about their lifestyle regardless of an official release;
    - consumers missed by the rescue schemes, or who have taken loans or mortgage holidays, will need to repair their own finances;
    - we are likely to live in fear of a return of the virus in winter 2020 and return of lockdown possibly sooner;
    - the crisis will have ruined some businesses permanently, and it will take time for those assets to be re-used by new entrepreneurs;
    - this month's experience may change some people's attitudes, reducing (possibly permanently) demand for leisure travel, business travel, and the thirst for conspicuous consumption. There will be people leaving the labour market, attracted by a quieter life;
    - the level of new startups will surely fall, after such a vivid demonstration of the risks of starting your own business. Running your own café or restaurant is a bad dream right now.
    - the government will have to repair the national balance sheet, which is going to mean taking money out of the economy.

    Yes, I could see a 6-7% contraction overall year on year once “over”.

    I hope it’s not as bad as 13%.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,727
    CatMan said:

    eristdoof said:

    Beatles questions often go down well. Eg. What was the last Beatles album recorded?

    The Best of the Beatles?

    *End Alan Partridge Mode*
    This one was 1966
    https://www.discogs.com/Pete-Best-Best-Of-The-Beatles/release/4848805
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068

    Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day were diabolical. The Man with the Golden Gun isn’t far behind - could have been great (and I love the location shots) but ruined by so many things.

    A View to A Kill is saved by Christopher Walken.

    There is, potentially, a good plot hiding away in Die Another Day.

    "The pre credits are good and the scenes in Hong Kong decent.
    And where does that leave us?

    UK think he cracked and gave away state secrets, you've got Micheal Madsen as a US agent who thinks Bond cracked, a Korean general who lost his son and Bond trying to find who set him up in Korea (you need to make it slightly clearer in that scene that he got set up by *someone*). And, Bond isn't 100 % sure if he did give away secrets under pressure.

    Rewrite Toby Stephens character as UK trying to keep track of what Bond is actually doing, keeping a rivalry between them (friendly turning to deadly - he's there to take Bond out if UK fears turn out to be correct). Keep Ros Pike as the actual traitor - maybe she met the Korean at University or on a fencing tournament or something. The General wants to get revenge on UK/Bond so there's your over-arching plot.

    And Madsen? Keep his role ambivalent. He has no friends, only interests. Halle Berry might be the equivalent of Toby Stephens character in this for the US - they're not sure what Madsen is doing either. Or just cut her altogether.

    No DNA malarky, no ice castles, no invisible cars. Just a grief stricken old man trying to avenge his son, Bond trying to work out if he is the liability and three or four characters that you just don't know if you trust or not.

    If you can't write that into a decent film, then you're useless, frankly."
    My wife loves Die Another Day.

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    BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    rcs1000 said:

    Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day were diabolical. The Man with the Golden Gun isn’t far behind - could have been great (and I love the location shots) but ruined by so many things.

    A View to A Kill is saved by Christopher Walken.

    There is, potentially, a good plot hiding away in Die Another Day.

    "The pre credits are good and the scenes in Hong Kong decent.
    And where does that leave us?

    UK think he cracked and gave away state secrets, you've got Micheal Madsen as a US agent who thinks Bond cracked, a Korean general who lost his son and Bond trying to find who set him up in Korea (you need to make it slightly clearer in that scene that he got set up by *someone*). And, Bond isn't 100 % sure if he did give away secrets under pressure.

    Rewrite Toby Stephens character as UK trying to keep track of what Bond is actually doing, keeping a rivalry between them (friendly turning to deadly - he's there to take Bond out if UK fears turn out to be correct). Keep Ros Pike as the actual traitor - maybe she met the Korean at University or on a fencing tournament or something. The General wants to get revenge on UK/Bond so there's your over-arching plot.

    And Madsen? Keep his role ambivalent. He has no friends, only interests. Halle Berry might be the equivalent of Toby Stephens character in this for the US - they're not sure what Madsen is doing either. Or just cut her altogether.

    No DNA malarky, no ice castles, no invisible cars. Just a grief stricken old man trying to avenge his son, Bond trying to work out if he is the liability and three or four characters that you just don't know if you trust or not.

    If you can't write that into a decent film, then you're useless, frankly."
    My wife loves Die Another Day.

    I think its also Brosnan's favourite - his commentary of the film is a delight.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,825
    Is James Bond that franchise that is never as good as it never was?

    A bit like Dr Who*, for spies...


    *Dr Who has reappeared in BBC iPlayer archive section with the first modern series.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144

    rcs1000 said:

    Hello.

    I'm hosting a virtual quiz night on Saturday. Both Americans and Brits will be participating.

    It would be great if everyone shared their favorite quiz question.

    Thanks!

    What happened on September the 10th 1752?

    That one works just as well in the US as here.
    "Give us our eleven days!"
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,396
    Foxy said:

    Is James Bond that franchise that is never as good as it never was?

    A bit like Dr Who*, for spies...


    *Dr Who has reappeared in BBC iPlayer archive section with the first modern series.

    It’s also on Netflix.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,590
    rcs1000 said:

    Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day were diabolical. The Man with the Golden Gun isn’t far behind - could have been great (and I love the location shots) but ruined by so many things.

    A View to A Kill is saved by Christopher Walken.

    There is, potentially, a good plot hiding away in Die Another Day.

    "The pre credits are good and the scenes in Hong Kong decent.
    And where does that leave us?

    UK think he cracked and gave away state secrets, you've got Micheal Madsen as a US agent who thinks Bond cracked, a Korean general who lost his son and Bond trying to find who set him up in Korea (you need to make it slightly clearer in that scene that he got set up by *someone*). And, Bond isn't 100 % sure if he did give away secrets under pressure.

    Rewrite Toby Stephens character as UK trying to keep track of what Bond is actually doing, keeping a rivalry between them (friendly turning to deadly - he's there to take Bond out if UK fears turn out to be correct). Keep Ros Pike as the actual traitor - maybe she met the Korean at University or on a fencing tournament or something. The General wants to get revenge on UK/Bond so there's your over-arching plot.

    And Madsen? Keep his role ambivalent. He has no friends, only interests. Halle Berry might be the equivalent of Toby Stephens character in this for the US - they're not sure what Madsen is doing either. Or just cut her altogether.

    No DNA malarky, no ice castles, no invisible cars. Just a grief stricken old man trying to avenge his son, Bond trying to work out if he is the liability and three or four characters that you just don't know if you trust or not.

    If you can't write that into a decent film, then you're useless, frankly."
    My wife loves Die Another Day.

    If you like the Roger Moore cheesefest Bonds, Die Another Day seems like a re-write of Moonraker, I suppose.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    whunter said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think the lockdown should start to be lifted by the end of the month.

    I don't think it's the worst of all worlds. The NHS hasn't hit capacity, and the virus hasn't gone away, so we need to safely reinstate as much economic activity as we can within its bounds.

    Exactly right. The number of new infections will be on a downward path, and we can SLOWLY begin to remove the most severe restrictions.
    I can see social distancing remaining for some time.

    But, I don't see why that can't permit openings of schools and nurseries (definitely), pubs, restuarants and cinemas (with suitable separation and timing/booked seatings, if necessary) plus parents, grandparents and their children being able to see one another.

    Nightclubs, crowded bars, mass parties, and large race meets may still need to be postponed (for now) unless and until they can be done safely.

    (Oh, and strip the bloody police of their extra powers asap.)
    Those police powers are going nowhere soon. The time they will most be needed is to prevent idiots taking stupid risks when people are venturing out and about again. They will remain high profile, walking around the towns, cruising around in cars, giving people, er, "reassurance".... In case anybody might cough.
    The police have behaved appallingly this crisis and have lost my confidence. They aren’t able to discern between genuine “idiots” and just picking on families and couples unnecessarily because they can. They don’t understand either the law or the risk.

    I don’t want them having the powers one second longer than necessary, and then I want all increases in their numbers cancelled.
    There's absolutely no chance of this happening.
    Well, that certainly isn’t true.

    In a climate of public spending retrenchment (which will be necessary) a reverse in police numbers is certainly a possibility- particularly if they’ve trashed their reputation and trust.
    Most Police Officers are good people, there's bound to be a few idiots within any organisation and within the Police they tend to get the attention of the public - especially in the age of smartphones and the internet.

    We don't necessarily need more of fewer Officers, we need to weed out idiots.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,590

    rcs1000 said:

    I think the lockdown should start to be lifted by the end of the month.

    I don't think it's the worst of all worlds. The NHS hasn't hit capacity, and the virus hasn't gone away, so we need to safely reinstate as much economic activity as we can within its bounds.

    Exactly right. The number of new infections will be on a downward path, and we can SLOWLY begin to remove the most severe restrictions.
    I can see social distancing remaining for some time.

    But, I don't see why that can't permit openings of schools and nurseries (definitely), pubs, restuarants and cinemas (with suitable separation and timing/booked seatings, if necessary) plus parents, grandparents and their children being able to see one another.

    Nightclubs, crowded bars, mass parties, and large race meets may still need to be postponed (for now) unless and until they can be done safely.

    (Oh, and strip the bloody police of their extra powers asap.)
    Those police powers are going nowhere soon. The time they will most be needed is to prevent idiots taking stupid risks when people are venturing out and about again. They will remain high profile, walking around the towns, cruising around in cars, giving people, er, "reassurance".... In case anybody might cough.
    The police have behaved appallingly this crisis and have lost my confidence. They aren’t able to discern between genuine “idiots” and just picking on families and couples unnecessarily because they can. They don’t understand either the law or the risk.

    I don’t want them having the powers one second longer than necessary, and then I want all increases in their numbers cancelled.
    Then you have reached the stage that many have reached long ago - we don't hate the police. We are just extremely unimpressed by the inability to use judgement. The reaction to bad incidents - childish coverups, passive aggressive reactions to criticism by the leadership - doesn't help.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,825

    whunter said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think the lockdown should start to be lifted by the end of the month.

    I don't think it's the worst of all worlds. The NHS hasn't hit capacity, and the virus hasn't gone away, so we need to safely reinstate as much economic activity as we can within its bounds.

    Exactly right. The number of new infections will be on a downward path, and we can SLOWLY begin to remove the most severe restrictions.
    I can see social distancing remaining for some time.

    But, I don't see why that can't permit openings of schools and nurseries (definitely), pubs, restuarants and cinemas (with suitable separation and timing/booked seatings, if necessary) plus parents, grandparents and their children being able to see one another.

    Nightclubs, crowded bars, mass parties, and large race meets may still need to be postponed (for now) unless and until they can be done safely.

    (Oh, and strip the bloody police of their extra powers asap.)
    Those police powers are going nowhere soon. The time they will most be needed is to prevent idiots taking stupid risks when people are venturing out and about again. They will remain high profile, walking around the towns, cruising around in cars, giving people, er, "reassurance".... In case anybody might cough.
    The police have behaved appallingly this crisis and have lost my confidence. They aren’t able to discern between genuine “idiots” and just picking on families and couples unnecessarily because they can. They don’t understand either the law or the risk.

    I don’t want them having the powers one second longer than necessary, and then I want all increases in their numbers cancelled.
    There's absolutely no chance of this happening.
    Well, that certainly isn’t true.

    In a climate of public spending retrenchment (which will be necessary) a reverse in police numbers is certainly a possibility- particularly if they’ve trashed their reputation and trust.
    Most Police Officers are good people, there's bound to be a few idiots within any organisation and within the Police they tend to get the attention of the public - especially in the age of smartphones and the internet.

    We don't necessarily need more of fewer Officers, we need to weed out idiots.
    Yes, stop and question shouldn't apply to white middle class people. That wasn't the idea at all!
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rcs1000 said:

    To the nearest billion -and between all these firms- how much were the shareholders of all these firms bailed out:

    RBS, Northern Rock and Bradford and Bingley in the UK
    Lehman Brothers in the US

    Zero?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Foxy said:

    whunter said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think the lockdown should start to be lifted by the end of the month.

    I don't think it's the worst of all worlds. The NHS hasn't hit capacity, and the virus hasn't gone away, so we need to safely reinstate as much economic activity as we can within its bounds.

    Exactly right. The number of new infections will be on a downward path, and we can SLOWLY begin to remove the most severe restrictions.
    I can see social distancing remaining for some time.

    But, I don't see why that can't permit openings of schools and nurseries (definitely), pubs, restuarants and cinemas (with suitable separation and timing/booked seatings, if necessary) plus parents, grandparents and their children being able to see one another.

    Nightclubs, crowded bars, mass parties, and large race meets may still need to be postponed (for now) unless and until they can be done safely.

    (Oh, and strip the bloody police of their extra powers asap.)
    Those police powers are going nowhere soon. The time they will most be needed is to prevent idiots taking stupid risks when people are venturing out and about again. They will remain high profile, walking around the towns, cruising around in cars, giving people, er, "reassurance".... In case anybody might cough.
    The police have behaved appallingly this crisis and have lost my confidence. They aren’t able to discern between genuine “idiots” and just picking on families and couples unnecessarily because they can. They don’t understand either the law or the risk.

    I don’t want them having the powers one second longer than necessary, and then I want all increases in their numbers cancelled.
    There's absolutely no chance of this happening.
    Well, that certainly isn’t true.

    In a climate of public spending retrenchment (which will be necessary) a reverse in police numbers is certainly a possibility- particularly if they’ve trashed their reputation and trust.
    Most Police Officers are good people, there's bound to be a few idiots within any organisation and within the Police they tend to get the attention of the public - especially in the age of smartphones and the internet.

    We don't necessarily need more of fewer Officers, we need to weed out idiots.
    Yes, stop and question shouldn't apply to white middle class people. That wasn't the idea at all!
    Not sure how you got that from what I wrote.
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    The message when we do come out of lockdown has to remain: "This thing is still out there - and this thing can still kill you." Nobody with ANY symptoms should leave the house. Everybody that leaves the house needs to wear a mask. I don't know whether we will have enough masks for the end of April? Those who can work from home should continue to do so. Those who can't will worry about using public transport. Everyone with a mask needs to be the norm for travellers to feel less ill at ease. Plenty won't have a job to go back to, depsite the best efforts of government.
    That will obviously not look normal.

    I'm not sure how different any of the first stages of any return to "normal" will look. Some shops will re-open - but will people go there? Pubs, cinemas, clubs, theatres, concert halls - they will remain closed. Restaurants with well-spaced tables? Maybe. You can resume seeing friends again - but will you? "This thing is still out there - and this thing can still kill you." How badly do you want to catch up on their gossip of how their life under lockdown was, er, just the same as yours? To hear how they probably don't have a job next month. What an uplifting trip out that will be....

    But schools can re-open. That will be a change. A return to normal. Building sites can get back to building offices no-one needs, homes no-one can afford. We can - maybe - go out in our cars without a police drone tailing us. We can - maybe - take a drive in a National Park. But it will still feel like a life devoid of fun.

    Yes please. Social distancing will have to continue for a long time. We can get used to having to space out in queues - we're British. It'll be phased of course. That's fine - so lets plan it. We will have some droogs who ignore it, and they can be dealt with. But we need something to work towards.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    edited April 2020
    Matt Hancock losing it on R4.

    Very shrill. A lay as next leader.
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    TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Poor Hancock - very close to calling Toenails a twat on R4.

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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,590
    Foxy said:

    whunter said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think the lockdown should start to be lifted by the end of the month.

    I don't think it's the worst of all worlds. The NHS hasn't hit capacity, and the virus hasn't gone away, so we need to safely reinstate as much economic activity as we can within its bounds.

    Exactly right. The number of new infections will be on a downward path, and we can SLOWLY begin to remove the most severe restrictions.
    I can see social distancing remaining for some time.

    But, I don't see why that can't permit openings of schools and nurseries (definitely), pubs, restuarants and cinemas (with suitable separation and timing/booked seatings, if necessary) plus parents, grandparents and their children being able to see one another.

    Nightclubs, crowded bars, mass parties, and large race meets may still need to be postponed (for now) unless and until they can be done safely.

    (Oh, and strip the bloody police of their extra powers asap.)
    Those police powers are going nowhere soon. The time they will most be needed is to prevent idiots taking stupid risks when people are venturing out and about again. They will remain high profile, walking around the towns, cruising around in cars, giving people, er, "reassurance".... In case anybody might cough.
    The police have behaved appallingly this crisis and have lost my confidence. They aren’t able to discern between genuine “idiots” and just picking on families and couples unnecessarily because they can. They don’t understand either the law or the risk.

    I don’t want them having the powers one second longer than necessary, and then I want all increases in their numbers cancelled.
    There's absolutely no chance of this happening.
    Well, that certainly isn’t true.

    In a climate of public spending retrenchment (which will be necessary) a reverse in police numbers is certainly a possibility- particularly if they’ve trashed their reputation and trust.
    Most Police Officers are good people, there's bound to be a few idiots within any organisation and within the Police they tend to get the attention of the public - especially in the age of smartphones and the internet.

    We don't necessarily need more of fewer Officers, we need to weed out idiots.
    Yes, stop and question shouldn't apply to white middle class people. That wasn't the idea at all!
    I think you are mistaking criticism of the police as praise for Constable Savage.

    Mind you, when I lived near Tower Hill, the police at the Tube station used to conduct searches for weapons, on occasion.

    They seemed to be race/class "norming" - one group stopped gentlemen of the clothing, disposition etc to be gang members. They were all tense and waiting for something to happen.

    Another group, on the other side of the entrance was stopping people in suits for a rather cursory search and chat.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TGOHF666 said:

    Poor Hancock - very close to calling Toenails a twat on R4.

    That'd normally be the truth. Is it this time?
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,808
    Interesting and perceptive thread header Alastair, thanks.

    One question on my mind regarding the inevitable eventual financial solution - printing money. If the UK, US, Japan and Eurozone all took the same approach what, if any, real 'debauching of currency' would there be?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645

    Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day were diabolical. The Man with the Golden Gun isn’t far behind - could have been great (and I love the location shots) but ruined by so many things.

    A View to A Kill is saved by Christopher Walken.

    There is, potentially, a good plot hiding away in Die Another Day.

    "The pre credits are good and the scenes in Hong Kong decent.
    And where does that leave us?

    UK think he cracked and gave away state secrets, you've got Micheal Madsen as a US agent who thinks Bond cracked, a Korean general who lost his son and Bond trying to find who set him up in Korea (you need to make it slightly clearer in that scene that he got set up by *someone*). And, Bond isn't 100 % sure if he did give away secrets under pressure.

    Rewrite Toby Stephens character as UK trying to keep track of what Bond is actually doing, keeping a rivalry between them (friendly turning to deadly - he's there to take Bond out if UK fears turn out to be correct). Keep Ros Pike as the actual traitor - maybe she met the Korean at University or on a fencing tournament or something. The General wants to get revenge on UK/Bond so there's your over-arching plot.

    And Madsen? Keep his role ambivalent. He has no friends, only interests. Halle Berry might be the equivalent of Toby Stephens character in this for the US - they're not sure what Madsen is doing either. Or just cut her altogether.

    No DNA malarky, no ice castles, no invisible cars. Just a grief stricken old man trying to avenge his son, Bond trying to work out if he is the liability and three or four characters that you just don't know if you trust or not.

    If you can't write that into a decent film, then you're useless, frankly."
    And don’t cast Halle Berry.

    Really. Don’t.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,808

    rcs1000 said:

    To the nearest billion -and between all these firms- how much were the shareholders of all these firms bailed out:

    RBS, Northern Rock and Bradford and Bingley in the UK
    Lehman Brothers in the US

    Zero?
    Certainly felt like that as an HBOS shareholder at the time lol!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645
    Foxy said:

    Is James Bond that franchise that is never as good as it never was?

    A bit like Dr Who*, for spies...


    *Dr Who has reappeared in BBC iPlayer archive section with the first modern series.

    No.

    It’s getting close to outstaying its welcome though.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,808

    Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day were diabolical. The Man with the Golden Gun isn’t far behind - could have been great (and I love the location shots) but ruined by so many things.

    A View to A Kill is saved by Christopher Walken.

    There is, potentially, a good plot hiding away in Die Another Day.

    "The pre credits are good and the scenes in Hong Kong decent.
    And where does that leave us?

    UK think he cracked and gave away state secrets, you've got Micheal Madsen as a US agent who thinks Bond cracked, a Korean general who lost his son and Bond trying to find who set him up in Korea (you need to make it slightly clearer in that scene that he got set up by *someone*). And, Bond isn't 100 % sure if he did give away secrets under pressure.

    Rewrite Toby Stephens character as UK trying to keep track of what Bond is actually doing, keeping a rivalry between them (friendly turning to deadly - he's there to take Bond out if UK fears turn out to be correct). Keep Ros Pike as the actual traitor - maybe she met the Korean at University or on a fencing tournament or something. The General wants to get revenge on UK/Bond so there's your over-arching plot.

    And Madsen? Keep his role ambivalent. He has no friends, only interests. Halle Berry might be the equivalent of Toby Stephens character in this for the US - they're not sure what Madsen is doing either. Or just cut her altogether.

    No DNA malarky, no ice castles, no invisible cars. Just a grief stricken old man trying to avenge his son, Bond trying to work out if he is the liability and three or four characters that you just don't know if you trust or not.

    If you can't write that into a decent film, then you're useless, frankly."
    And don’t cast Halle Berry.

    Really. Don’t.
    Why not? She'd be a great choice.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,541

    whunter said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think the lockdown should start to be lifted by the end of the month.

    I don't think it's the worst of all worlds. The NHS hasn't hit capacity, and the virus hasn't gone away, so we need to safely reinstate as much economic activity as we can within its bounds.

    Exactly right. The number of new infections will be on a downward path, and we can SLOWLY begin to remove the most severe restrictions.
    I can see social distancing remaining for some time.

    But, I don't see why that can't permit openings of schools and nurseries (definitely), pubs, restuarants and cinemas (with suitable separation and timing/booked seatings, if necessary) plus parents, grandparents and their children being able to see one another.

    Nightclubs, crowded bars, mass parties, and large race meets may still need to be postponed (for now) unless and until they can be done safely.

    (Oh, and strip the bloody police of their extra powers asap.)
    Those police powers are going nowhere soon. The time they will most be needed is to prevent idiots taking stupid risks when people are venturing out and about again. They will remain high profile, walking around the towns, cruising around in cars, giving people, er, "reassurance".... In case anybody might cough.
    The police have behaved appallingly this crisis and have lost my confidence. They aren’t able to discern between genuine “idiots” and just picking on families and couples unnecessarily because they can. They don’t understand either the law or the risk.

    I don’t want them having the powers one second longer than necessary, and then I want all increases in their numbers cancelled.
    There's absolutely no chance of this happening.
    Well, that certainly isn’t true.

    In a climate of public spending retrenchment (which will be necessary) a reverse in police numbers is certainly a possibility- particularly if they’ve trashed their reputation and trust.
    Most Police Officers are good people, there's bound to be a few idiots within any organisation and within the Police they tend to get the attention of the public - especially in the age of smartphones and the internet.

    We don't necessarily need more of fewer Officers, we need to weed out idiots.
    Idiots will idiot but we should blame the government for confusing everyone with its mixed messaging and inconsistent regulations. You can go to the park but not lie down when you get there. You must stay 2m apart, and exercise, but not by playing tennis even though you would be much further apart.

    And why 2m? It is clear some people have no idea 2m is the same as 6 feet, or the height of a tall man, or two supermarket trolley-lengths. And if 2m is related to saliva spray plus a margin of error then shouldn't masks make it irrelevant? Ah but we do not require masks because of reasons and not because HMG's ballsed up procurement and all the other countries are wrong!
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,912
    FF43 said:

    Yokes said:

    On what scientific or comparative statistical basis the UK doing badly? That above chart? The chart that takes into account no context or size of country, population differences and so on? For gods sake.

    In 6 months time if the death toll here is comparatively high per head of population vs other countries you can say that but we are early into a multi month situation with a virus we understand little about so far despite all the great work done by scientists. As it stands the UK's situation is not exceptionally bad, nor good. We have no absolute methodology of putting this to ground, its purely management for demand on the public health system. Lots of people have had it, lots will get it in the months to come

    People are dying, what a surprise, did you miss the kind of numbers being bandied about at the start? People will die for months to come. Only then can we judge whether we are doing 'badly'.








    John Burn Murdoch explains his rationale in the video below. There's no "right answer" but there's a reason why this chart gets widely quoted. It's all about trends. The UK will probably end up with a similar death toll to Italy in this phase of epidemic. As Italy and the UK have similar populations, deaths per million will also be similar. Several other countries in Europe will have better initial outcomes. These will at least be in part be sure to those governments taking better decisions and executing better on them.

    https://twitter.com/janinegibson/status/1244519429825802240
    That's a great video, thanks.

    Re: the question of should the curves be per capita or not? As so often with graphical representation of data, both can be valid depending on what you want to show. The total numbers are relevant in terms of how much a single country is affected. The responses are made based on national concerns like shutting borders and decision to lock down. Per-capita is also very useful, to show the concentration, but large countries will be down weighted as almost all large countries have areas with few cases, and the small countries will be either very high (Andora) or very low (Faroe Islands) based on whether they have had an outbreak or not, so the graph will have to cut off all countries with a population lower than some chosen value. Plotting per-capita graphs will not eliminate the influences of borders.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,443

    Interesting and perceptive thread header Alastair, thanks.

    One question on my mind regarding the inevitable eventual financial solution - printing money. If the UK, US, Japan and Eurozone all took the same approach what, if any, real 'debauching of currency' would there be?

    But it's about inflation, not exchange rates.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645

    Interesting and perceptive thread header Alastair, thanks.

    One question on my mind regarding the inevitable eventual financial solution - printing money. If the UK, US, Japan and Eurozone all took the same approach what, if any, real 'debauching of currency' would there be?

    This is what I’m interested in. If everyone debases at once, everywhere, as an one-off. Does it matter?

    I don’t know the answer. It’s probably not a trick you could pull a second time, and would set a dangerous precedent.
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    DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,541
    Lockdown -- looking at A-road traffic yesterday, I'd say it looked more like a normal Sunday rather than being almost deserted as at the start of the lockdown.
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,912

    whunter said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think the lockdown should start to be lifted by the end of the month.

    I don't think it's the worst of all worlds. The NHS hasn't hit capacity, and the virus hasn't gone away, so we need to safely reinstate as much economic activity as we can within its bounds.

    Exactly right. The number of new infections will be on a downward path, and we can SLOWLY begin to remove the most severe restrictions.
    I can see social distancing remaining for some time.

    But, I don't see why that can't permit openings of schools and nurseries (definitely), pubs, restuarants and cinemas (with suitable separation and timing/booked seatings, if necessary) plus parents, grandparents and their children being able to see one another.

    Nightclubs, crowded bars, mass parties, and large race meets may still need to be postponed (for now) unless and until they can be done safely.

    (Oh, and strip the bloody police of their extra powers asap.)
    Those police powers are going nowhere soon. The time they will most be needed is to prevent idiots taking stupid risks when people are venturing out and about again. They will remain high profile, walking around the towns, cruising around in cars, giving people, er, "reassurance".... In case anybody might cough.
    The police have behaved appallingly this crisis and have lost my confidence. They aren’t able to discern between genuine “idiots” and just picking on families and couples unnecessarily because they can. They don’t understand either the law or the risk.

    I don’t want them having the powers one second longer than necessary, and then I want all increases in their numbers cancelled.
    There's absolutely no chance of this happening.
    Well, that certainly isn’t true.

    In a climate of public spending retrenchment (which will be necessary) a reverse in police numbers is certainly a possibility- particularly if they’ve trashed their reputation and trust.
    Most Police Officers are good people, there's bound to be a few idiots within any organisation and within the Police they tend to get the attention of the public - especially in the age of smartphones and the internet.
    Agree. Some bastards are also policemen, in the same way that some bastards are also cyclists.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,443
    TOPPING said:

    Matt Hancock losing it on R4.

    Very shrill. A lay as next leader.

    If only you still could.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,808
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Is James Bond that franchise that is never as good as it never was?

    A bit like Dr Who*, for spies...


    *Dr Who has reappeared in BBC iPlayer archive section with the first modern series.

    It’s also on Netflix.
    Er... So you don't have to accept the free version, you can pay a subscription to watch it? Sounds great!
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    TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052

    TGOHF666 said:

    Poor Hancock - very close to calling Toenails a twat on R4.

    That'd normally be the truth. Is it this time?
    He did reveal that in order not to confuse the message there would be no details of post lock down revealed at this time.


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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645

    The message when we do come out of lockdown has to remain: "This thing is still out there - and this thing can still kill you." Nobody with ANY symptoms should leave the house. Everybody that leaves the house needs to wear a mask. I don't know whether we will have enough masks for the end of April? Those who can work from home should continue to do so. Those who can't will worry about using public transport. Everyone with a mask needs to be the norm for travellers to feel less ill at ease. Plenty won't have a job to go back to, depsite the best efforts of government.
    That will obviously not look normal.

    I'm not sure how different any of the first stages of any return to "normal" will look. Some shops will re-open - but will people go there? Pubs, cinemas, clubs, theatres, concert halls - they will remain closed. Restaurants with well-spaced tables? Maybe. You can resume seeing friends again - but will you? "This thing is still out there - and this thing can still kill you." How badly do you want to catch up on their gossip of how their life under lockdown was, er, just the same as yours? To hear how they probably don't have a job next month. What an uplifting trip out that will be....

    But schools can re-open. That will be a change. A return to normal. Building sites can get back to building offices no-one needs, homes no-one can afford. We can - maybe - go out in our cars without a police drone tailing us. We can - maybe - take a drive in a National Park. But it will still feel like a life devoid of fun.

    Yes please. Social distancing will have to continue for a long time. We can get used to having to space out in queues - we're British. It'll be phased of course. That's fine - so lets plan it. We will have some droogs who ignore it, and they can be dealt with. But we need something to work towards.
    I’m baffled (genuinely) at why so much of the country favours such restrictive measures for such a long time and enthusiastically looks forward to policing them in others.

    I’m increasingly coming round to @edmundintokyo’s view: the British hate freedom.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,715
    Up front, shielding was announced as lasting for 12 weeks.

    For those who wish to speculate on how long the lockdown will last, there's a clue for you.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,808
    The Prof seems to have decided for the government.

    Professor Neil Ferguson, whose modelling has guided Downing Street’s crisis strategy, this morning told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that when the UK lockdown does eventually end, social distancing measures are likely to remain in place “indefinitely” until a coronavirus vaccine can be rolled out.

    Ferguson warned that it would not be possible to relax the lockdown until a significant infrastructure was in place.

    He said the UK’s ability to come out of lockdown would “depend on how quickly case numbers go down”. But it would also require an emphasis on scaling up testing and contact tracing, because if measures were relaxed without a strong plan in place there was too much risk of a resurgence in cases.

    Ferguson said there were some first signs that social distancing measure in the UK may be working, with trends such as the number of calls to 999, 111 and admissions to hospital beginning to flatten.

    But he said more needed to be done to ensure the UK could leave lockdown safety. He called for a “command and control centre”, and suggested that any tracing provided by mobile phone apps would have to be supplemented by a “small army” of people testing and tracing.

    “I would like to see action accelerated, decisions need to be accelerated and real progress made,” he said....


    Another three weeks, at least.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645

    Foxy said:

    whunter said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think the lockdown should start to be lifted by the end of the month.

    I don't think it's the worst of all worlds. The NHS hasn't hit capacity, and the virus hasn't gone away, so we need to safely reinstate as much economic activity as we can within its bounds.

    Exactly right. The number of new infections will be on a downward path, and we can SLOWLY begin to remove the most severe restrictions.
    I can see social distancing remaining for some time.

    But, I don't see why that can't permit openings of schools and nurseries (definitely), pubs, restuarants and cinemas (with suitable separation and timing/booked seatings, if necessary) plus parents, grandparents and their children being able to see one another.

    Nightclubs, crowded bars, mass parties, and large race meets may still need to be postponed (for now) unless and until they can be done safely.

    (Oh, and strip the bloody police of their extra powers asap.)
    Those police powers are going nowhere soon. The time they will most be needed is to prevent idiots taking stupid risks when people are venturing out and about again. They will remain high profile, walking around the towns, cruising around in cars, giving people, er, "reassurance".... In case anybody might cough.
    The police have behaved appallingly this crisis and have lost my confidence. They aren’t able to discern between genuine “idiots” and just picking on families and couples unnecessarily because they can. They don’t understand either the law or the risk.

    I don’t want them having the powers one second longer than necessary, and then I want all increases in their numbers cancelled.
    There's absolutely no chance of this happening.
    Well, that certainly isn’t true.

    In a climate of public spending retrenchment (which will be necessary) a reverse in police numbers is certainly a possibility- particularly if they’ve trashed their reputation and trust.
    Most Police Officers are good people, there's bound to be a few idiots within any organisation and within the Police they tend to get the attention of the public - especially in the age of smartphones and the internet.

    We don't necessarily need more of fewer Officers, we need to weed out idiots.
    Yes, stop and question shouldn't apply to white middle class people. That wasn't the idea at all!
    Not sure how you got that from what I wrote.
    I think all of his views are informed by an obsession as to whether he perceives the advocate secretly possess any degree of subconscious bias over race.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,808

    Interesting and perceptive thread header Alastair, thanks.

    One question on my mind regarding the inevitable eventual financial solution - printing money. If the UK, US, Japan and Eurozone all took the same approach what, if any, real 'debauching of currency' would there be?

    This is what I’m interested in. If everyone debases at once, everywhere, as an one-off. Does it matter?

    I don’t know the answer. It’s probably not a trick you could pull a second time, and would set a dangerous precedent.
    Well it needs international coordination of course - some kind of Bretton Woods style conference.

    Also, some important players will be outside the agreement, notably China. But would the G7 care much if the Yuan rose in value vis-a-vis the USD, EUR, GPB and JPY?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,808
    Hancock’s statement that even discussing how we might come out of lockdown is a “distraction” is patronising and wrong.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,396
    edited April 2020

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Is James Bond that franchise that is never as good as it never was?

    A bit like Dr Who*, for spies...


    *Dr Who has reappeared in BBC iPlayer archive section with the first modern series.

    It’s also on Netflix.
    Er... So you don't have to accept the free version, you can pay a subscription to watch it? Sounds great!
    Much easier to search for episodes on Netflix than on iPlayer.

    (Netflix is actually cheaper than the BBC for most of us as well.)
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,553

    rcs1000 said:

    Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day were diabolical. The Man with the Golden Gun isn’t far behind - could have been great (and I love the location shots) but ruined by so many things.

    A View to A Kill is saved by Christopher Walken.

    There is, potentially, a good plot hiding away in Die Another Day.

    "The pre credits are good and the scenes in Hong Kong decent.
    And where does that leave us?

    UK think he cracked and gave away state secrets, you've got Micheal Madsen as a US agent who thinks Bond cracked, a Korean general who lost his son and Bond trying to find who set him up in Korea (you need to make it slightly clearer in that scene that he got set up by *someone*). And, Bond isn't 100 % sure if he did give away secrets under pressure.

    Rewrite Toby Stephens character as UK trying to keep track of what Bond is actually doing, keeping a rivalry between them (friendly turning to deadly - he's there to take Bond out if UK fears turn out to be correct). Keep Ros Pike as the actual traitor - maybe she met the Korean at University or on a fencing tournament or something. The General wants to get revenge on UK/Bond so there's your over-arching plot.

    And Madsen? Keep his role ambivalent. He has no friends, only interests. Halle Berry might be the equivalent of Toby Stephens character in this for the US - they're not sure what Madsen is doing either. Or just cut her altogether.

    No DNA malarky, no ice castles, no invisible cars. Just a grief stricken old man trying to avenge his son, Bond trying to work out if he is the liability and three or four characters that you just don't know if you trust or not.

    If you can't write that into a decent film, then you're useless, frankly."
    My wife loves Die Another Day.

    I think its also Brosnan's favourite - his commentary of the film is a delight.
    Then he's an idiot. It is not worthy to buff Goldeneye's shoes.

    The Madonna theme tune is much maligned but I think it works as a Bond theme. Less said about the cameo the better.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645

    whunter said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I think the lockdown should start to be lifted by the end of the month.

    I don't think it's the worst of all worlds. The NHS hasn't hit capacity, and the virus hasn't gone away, so we need to safely reinstate as much economic activity as we can within its bounds.

    Exactly right. The number of new infections will be on a downward path, and we can SLOWLY begin to remove the most severe restrictions.
    I can see social distancing remaining for some time.

    But, I don't see why that can't permit openings of schools and nurseries (definitely), pubs, restuarants and cinemas (with suitable separation and timing/booked seatings, if necessary) plus parents, grandparents and their children being able to see one another.

    Nightclubs, crowded bars, mass parties, and large race meets may still need to be postponed (for now) unless and until they can be done safely.

    (Oh, and strip the bloody police of their extra powers asap.)
    Those police powers are going nowhere soon. The time they will most be needed is to prevent idiots taking stupid risks when people are venturing out and about again. They will remain high profile, walking around the towns, cruising around in cars, giving people, er, "reassurance".... In case anybody might cough.
    The police have behaved appallingly this crisis and have lost my confidence. They aren’t able to discern between genuine “idiots” and just picking on families and couples unnecessarily because they can. They don’t understand either the law or the risk.

    I don’t want them having the powers one second longer than necessary, and then I want all increases in their numbers cancelled.
    There's absolutely no chance of this happening.
    Well, that certainly isn’t true.

    In a climate of public spending retrenchment (which will be necessary) a reverse in police numbers is certainly a possibility- particularly if they’ve trashed their reputation and trust.
    Most Police Officers are good people, there's bound to be a few idiots within any organisation and within the Police they tend to get the attention of the public - especially in the age of smartphones and the internet.

    We don't necessarily need more of fewer Officers, we need to weed out idiots.
    Unfortunately, many of those idiots exist at leadership and commissioner level.

    I think the police have been wholly captured by producer interest and are interested only in pushing the latest fashionable social theories and politically correct tropes. They go for low-hanging fruit and obsessively pursue irrelevant metrics whilst doing their job in such a way as represents the easiest path of least resistance.

    I don’t have confidence in them any longer to exercise judgment in supporting and serving the public, and nor do I think they are encouraged to do so.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913

    Interesting and perceptive thread header Alastair, thanks.

    One question on my mind regarding the inevitable eventual financial solution - printing money. If the UK, US, Japan and Eurozone all took the same approach what, if any, real 'debauching of currency' would there be?

    This is what I’m interested in. If everyone debases at once, everywhere, as an one-off. Does it matter?

    I don’t know the answer. It’s probably not a trick you could pull a second time, and would set a dangerous precedent.
    Well it needs international coordination of course - some kind of Bretton Woods style conference.

    Also, some important players will be outside the agreement, notably China. But would the G7 care much if the Yuan rose in value vis-a-vis the USD,

    EUR, GPB and JPY?

    Since it would generate significant inflation, probably yes.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645

    rcs1000 said:

    Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day were diabolical. The Man with the Golden Gun isn’t far behind - could have been great (and I love the location shots) but ruined by so many things.

    A View to A Kill is saved by Christopher Walken.

    There is, potentially, a good plot hiding away in Die Another Day.

    "The pre credits are good and the scenes in Hong Kong decent.
    And where does that leave us?

    UK think he cracked and gave away state secrets, you've got Micheal Madsen as a US agent who thinks Bond cracked, a Korean general who lost his son and Bond trying to find who set him up in Korea (you need to make it slightly clearer in that scene that he got set up by *someone*). And, Bond isn't 100 % sure if he did give away secrets under pressure.

    Rewrite Toby Stephens character as UK trying to keep track of what Bond is actually doing, keeping a rivalry between them (friendly turning to deadly - he's there to take Bond out if UK fears turn out to be correct). Keep Ros Pike as the actual traitor - maybe she met the Korean at University or on a fencing tournament or something. The General wants to get revenge on UK/Bond so there's your over-arching plot.

    And Madsen? Keep his role ambivalent. He has no friends, only interests. Halle Berry might be the equivalent of Toby Stephens character in this for the US - they're not sure what Madsen is doing either. Or just cut her altogether.

    No DNA malarky, no ice castles, no invisible cars. Just a grief stricken old man trying to avenge his son, Bond trying to work out if he is the liability and three or four characters that you just don't know if you trust or not.

    If you can't write that into a decent film, then you're useless, frankly."
    My wife loves Die Another Day.

    I think its also Brosnan's favourite - his commentary of the film is a delight.
    Then he's an idiot. It is not worthy to buff Goldeneye's shoes.

    The Madonna theme tune is much maligned but I think it works as a Bond theme. Less said about the cameo the better.
    Goldeneye is by far his best film.

    I think that’s mainly because of Martin Campbell - he got him to act.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,553

    Interesting and perceptive thread header Alastair, thanks.

    One question on my mind regarding the inevitable eventual financial solution - printing money. If the UK, US, Japan and Eurozone all took the same approach what, if any, real 'debauching of currency' would there be?

    This is what I’m interested in. If everyone debases at once, everywhere, as an one-off. Does it matter?

    I don’t know the answer. It’s probably not a trick you could pull a second time, and would set a dangerous precedent.
    It doesn't matter until Switzerland quietly and swiftly purchases the world.
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    Anyway.

    Away with all this doom and gloom promoted hour by hour in the media and let us all congratulate Captain Tom who just completed his 100 laps live on BBC

    He is the true spirit of our nation, a real hero and inspiration

    His positive attitude and can do is sadly lacking from so many doomsters

    He has just said live on BBC

    'The sun will shine on you and the clouds will go away'

    Put that front and centre of our thoughts and seek the good not the bad
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645
    Nigelb said:

    The Prof seems to have decided for the government.

    Professor Neil Ferguson, whose modelling has guided Downing Street’s crisis strategy, this morning told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that when the UK lockdown does eventually end, social distancing measures are likely to remain in place “indefinitely” until a coronavirus vaccine can be rolled out.

    Ferguson warned that it would not be possible to relax the lockdown until a significant infrastructure was in place.

    He said the UK’s ability to come out of lockdown would “depend on how quickly case numbers go down”. But it would also require an emphasis on scaling up testing and contact tracing, because if measures were relaxed without a strong plan in place there was too much risk of a resurgence in cases.

    Ferguson said there were some first signs that social distancing measure in the UK may be working, with trends such as the number of calls to 999, 111 and admissions to hospital beginning to flatten.

    But he said more needed to be done to ensure the UK could leave lockdown safety. He called for a “command and control centre”, and suggested that any tracing provided by mobile phone apps would have to be supplemented by a “small army” of people testing and tracing.

    “I would like to see action accelerated, decisions need to be accelerated and real progress made,” he said....


    Another three weeks, at least.

    Thankfully, it’s not up to him.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,913
    In 2020, Bond is getting very tired. Nostalgia.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645
    IanB2 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Matt Hancock losing it on R4.

    Very shrill. A lay as next leader.

    If only you still could.
    That market should already be back up.

    It’s a good example of the problems this lockdown/shutdown has caused. Once the measures are in place they won’t easily or readily be lifted because people are far too risk averse to be brave enough to take the (very modest) risk of doing so.

    They will need to be first reassured by the government and then told.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,617

    The message when we do come out of lockdown has to remain: "This thing is still out there - and this thing can still kill you." Nobody with ANY symptoms should leave the house. Everybody that leaves the house needs to wear a mask. I don't know whether we will have enough masks for the end of April? Those who can work from home should continue to do so. Those who can't will worry about using public transport. Everyone with a mask needs to be the norm for travellers to feel less ill at ease. Plenty won't have a job to go back to, depsite the best efforts of government.
    That will obviously not look normal.

    I'm not sure how different any of the first stages of any return to "normal" will look. Some shops will re-open - but will people go there? Pubs, cinemas, clubs, theatres, concert halls - they will remain closed. Restaurants with well-spaced tables? Maybe. You can resume seeing friends again - but will you? "This thing is still out there - and this thing can still kill you." How badly do you want to catch up on their gossip of how their life under lockdown was, er, just the same as yours? To hear how they probably don't have a job next month. What an uplifting trip out that will be....

    But schools can re-open. That will be a change. A return to normal. Building sites can get back to building offices no-one needs, homes no-one can afford. We can - maybe - go out in our cars without a police drone tailing us. We can - maybe - take a drive in a National Park. But it will still feel like a life devoid of fun.

    Yes please. Social distancing will have to continue for a long time. We can get used to having to space out in queues - we're British. It'll be phased of course. That's fine - so lets plan it. We will have some droogs who ignore it, and they can be dealt with. But we need something to work towards.
    I’m baffled (genuinely) at why so much of the country favours such restrictive measures for such a long time and enthusiastically looks forward to policing them in others.

    I’m increasingly coming round to @edmundintokyo’s view: the British hate freedom.
    The evidence is overwhelming that most people favour banning more things, passing more laws and limiting freedoms. Not only are libertarians an endangered species, but liberals are becoming rare too.

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    kingbongokingbongo Posts: 393
    the biggest indicator that the UK government has done an OK job is that PB is back to discussing the merits of Bond films.

    Berlingske newspaper (centre-right Danish paper) headline today - "The Last Month: Was it Denmark's biggest ever overreaction" - something that UK ministers can look forward to in a few weeks. I have no doubt Anna Soubry, Piers Morgan et al will bemoan the "waste of money" on Nightingale hospitals

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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,808
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Is James Bond that franchise that is never as good as it never was?

    A bit like Dr Who*, for spies...


    *Dr Who has reappeared in BBC iPlayer archive section with the first modern series.

    It’s also on Netflix.
    Er... So you don't have to accept the free version, you can pay a subscription to watch it? Sounds great!
    Much easier to search for episodes on Netflix than on iPlayer.
    Really? Go to iPlayer, type in Dr Who and this is what you get:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b006q2x0/doctor-who

    (or type iPlayer Dr Who in Google and the top hit is the same page)

    How much easier can it be?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,808

    Nigelb said:

    The Prof seems to have decided for the government.

    Professor Neil Ferguson, whose modelling has guided Downing Street’s crisis strategy, this morning told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that when the UK lockdown does eventually end, social distancing measures are likely to remain in place “indefinitely” until a coronavirus vaccine can be rolled out.

    Ferguson warned that it would not be possible to relax the lockdown until a significant infrastructure was in place.

    He said the UK’s ability to come out of lockdown would “depend on how quickly case numbers go down”. But it would also require an emphasis on scaling up testing and contact tracing, because if measures were relaxed without a strong plan in place there was too much risk of a resurgence in cases.

    Ferguson said there were some first signs that social distancing measure in the UK may be working, with trends such as the number of calls to 999, 111 and admissions to hospital beginning to flatten.

    But he said more needed to be done to ensure the UK could leave lockdown safety. He called for a “command and control centre”, and suggested that any tracing provided by mobile phone apps would have to be supplemented by a “small army” of people testing and tracing.

    “I would like to see action accelerated, decisions need to be accelerated and real progress made,” he said....


    Another three weeks, at least.

    Thankfully, it’s not up to him.
    You sure ?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,396

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Is James Bond that franchise that is never as good as it never was?

    A bit like Dr Who*, for spies...


    *Dr Who has reappeared in BBC iPlayer archive section with the first modern series.

    It’s also on Netflix.
    Er... So you don't have to accept the free version, you can pay a subscription to watch it? Sounds great!
    Much easier to search for episodes on Netflix than on iPlayer.
    Really? Go to iPlayer, type in Dr Who and this is what you get:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b006q2x0/doctor-who

    (or type iPlayer Dr Who in Google and the top hit is the same page)

    How much easier can it be?
    Go to my Smart TV and try the same thing and it doesn’t work.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,403
    Nigelb said:

    Hancock’s statement that even discussing how we might come out of lockdown is a “distraction” is patronising and wrong.

    Yep. He's going for the don't you worry your pretty little head approach. Plus sounded really rattled.

    He and @Chris not having a good pandemic.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,553

    rcs1000 said:

    Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day were diabolical. The Man with the Golden Gun isn’t far behind - could have been great (and I love the location shots) but ruined by so many things.

    A View to A Kill is saved by Christopher Walken.

    There is, potentially, a good plot hiding away in Die Another Day.

    "The pre credits are good and the scenes in Hong Kong decent.
    And where does that leave us?

    UK think he cracked and gave away state secrets, you've got Micheal Madsen as a US agent who thinks Bond cracked, a Korean general who lost his son and Bond trying to find who set him up in Korea (you need to make it slightly clearer in that scene that he got set up by *someone*). And, Bond isn't 100 % sure if he did give away secrets under pressure.

    Rewrite Toby Stephens character as UK trying to keep track of what Bond is actually doing, keeping a rivalry between them (friendly turning to deadly - he's there to take Bond out if UK fears turn out to be correct). Keep Ros Pike as the actual traitor - maybe she met the Korean at University or on a fencing tournament or something. The General wants to get revenge on UK/Bond so there's your over-arching plot.

    And Madsen? Keep his role ambivalent. He has no friends, only interests. Halle Berry might be the equivalent of Toby Stephens character in this for the US - they're not sure what Madsen is doing either. Or just cut her altogether.

    No DNA malarky, no ice castles, no invisible cars. Just a grief stricken old man trying to avenge his son, Bond trying to work out if he is the liability and three or four characters that you just don't know if you trust or not.

    If you can't write that into a decent film, then you're useless, frankly."
    My wife loves Die Another Day.

    I think its also Brosnan's favourite - his commentary of the film is a delight.
    Then he's an idiot. It is not worthy to buff Goldeneye's shoes.

    The Madonna theme tune is much maligned but I think it works as a Bond theme. Less said about the cameo the better.
    Goldeneye is by far his best film.

    I think that’s mainly because of Martin Campbell - he got him to act.
    It is a wonderful Bond film, they made sure to add every ingredient that made the films great. By the time the current iteration had worked up to adding all the ingredients, they had gone off. Leading to the stinker that was Spectre.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,396
    edited April 2020
    Jonathan said:

    In 2020, Bond is getting very tired. Nostalgia.

    He’s been battling baddies and banging hotties for 58 years. It takes it out of a man, you know.

    (Or at least, I don’t actually know from personal experience, but I surmise.)
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,808

    Anyway.

    Away with all this doom and gloom promoted hour by hour in the media and let us all congratulate Captain Tom who just completed his 100 laps live on BBC

    He is the true spirit of our nation, a real hero and inspiration

    His positive attitude and can do is sadly lacking from so many doomsters

    He has just said live on BBC

    'The sun will shine on you and the clouds will go away'

    Put that front and centre of our thoughts and seek the good not the bad

    Which has nothing to do with the hard policy choices coming up.
    With all due respect to the Major, he doesn’t have to worry about whether he’ll have a job next month... or for the rest of the decade for that matter.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426
    edited April 2020
    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Hancock’s statement that even discussing how we might come out of lockdown is a “distraction” is patronising and wrong.

    Yep. He's going for the don't you worry your pretty little head approach. Plus sounded really rattled.

    He and @Chris not having a good pandemic.
    He knows the discussion about how we come out is being discussed by the wider Cabinet and backbenchers.

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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,808
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Is James Bond that franchise that is never as good as it never was?

    A bit like Dr Who*, for spies...


    *Dr Who has reappeared in BBC iPlayer archive section with the first modern series.

    It’s also on Netflix.
    Er... So you don't have to accept the free version, you can pay a subscription to watch it? Sounds great!
    Much easier to search for episodes on Netflix than on iPlayer.
    Really? Go to iPlayer, type in Dr Who and this is what you get:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b006q2x0/doctor-who

    (or type iPlayer Dr Who in Google and the top hit is the same page)

    How much easier can it be?
    Go to my Smart TV and try the same thing and it doesn’t work.
    Chromecast resolved the shortcomings of our not so smart TV.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645

    rcs1000 said:

    Diamonds Are Forever and Die Another Day were diabolical. The Man with the Golden Gun isn’t far behind - could have been great (and I love the location shots) but ruined by so many things.

    A View to A Kill is saved by Christopher Walken.

    There is, potentially, a good plot hiding away in Die Another Day.

    "The pre credits are good and the scenes in Hong Kong decent.
    And where does that leave us?

    UK think he cracked and gave away state secrets, you've got Micheal Madsen as a US agent who thinks Bond cracked, a Korean general who lost his son and Bond trying to find who set him up in Korea (you need to make it slightly clearer in that scene that he got set up by *someone*). And, Bond isn't 100 % sure if he did give away secrets under pressure.

    Rewrite Toby Stephens character as UK trying to keep track of what Bond is actually doing, keeping a rivalry between them (friendly turning to deadly - he's there to take Bond out if UK fears turn out to be correct). Keep Ros Pike as the actual traitor - maybe she met the Korean at University or on a fencing tournament or something. The General wants to get revenge on UK/Bond so there's your over-arching plot.

    And Madsen? Keep his role ambivalent. He has no friends, only interests. Halle Berry might be the equivalent of Toby Stephens character in this for the US - they're not sure what Madsen is doing either. Or just cut her altogether.

    No DNA malarky, no ice castles, no invisible cars. Just a grief stricken old man trying to avenge his son, Bond trying to work out if he is the liability and three or four characters that you just don't know if you trust or not.

    If you can't write that into a decent film, then you're useless, frankly."
    My wife loves Die Another Day.

    I think its also Brosnan's favourite - his commentary of the film is a delight.
    Then he's an idiot. It is not worthy to buff Goldeneye's shoes.

    The Madonna theme tune is much maligned but I think it works as a Bond theme. Less said about the cameo the better.
    Goldeneye is by far his best film.

    I think that’s mainly because of Martin Campbell - he got him to act.
    It is a wonderful Bond film, they made sure to add every ingredient that made the films great. By the time the current iteration had worked up to adding all the ingredients, they had gone off. Leading to the stinker that was Spectre.
    Skyfall is the one I don’t get.

    I think it’s hugely overrated.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Prof seems to have decided for the government.

    Professor Neil Ferguson, whose modelling has guided Downing Street’s crisis strategy, this morning told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that when the UK lockdown does eventually end, social distancing measures are likely to remain in place “indefinitely” until a coronavirus vaccine can be rolled out.

    Ferguson warned that it would not be possible to relax the lockdown until a significant infrastructure was in place.

    He said the UK’s ability to come out of lockdown would “depend on how quickly case numbers go down”. But it would also require an emphasis on scaling up testing and contact tracing, because if measures were relaxed without a strong plan in place there was too much risk of a resurgence in cases.

    Ferguson said there were some first signs that social distancing measure in the UK may be working, with trends such as the number of calls to 999, 111 and admissions to hospital beginning to flatten.

    But he said more needed to be done to ensure the UK could leave lockdown safety. He called for a “command and control centre”, and suggested that any tracing provided by mobile phone apps would have to be supplemented by a “small army” of people testing and tracing.

    “I would like to see action accelerated, decisions need to be accelerated and real progress made,” he said....


    Another three weeks, at least.

    Thankfully, it’s not up to him.
    You sure ?
    If it thinks Britain will put up with more than another month of this, then he needs to have a chat with the human behaviour modellers.

    Never mind the economists.

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    TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Hancock’s statement that even discussing how we might come out of lockdown is a “distraction” is patronising and wrong.

    Yep. He's going for the don't you worry your pretty little head approach. Plus sounded really rattled.

    He and @Chris not having a good pandemic.
    Almost like they have a strategy but you don't like it.

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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,808
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Is James Bond that franchise that is never as good as it never was?

    A bit like Dr Who*, for spies...


    *Dr Who has reappeared in BBC iPlayer archive section with the first modern series.

    It’s also on Netflix.
    Er... So you don't have to accept the free version, you can pay a subscription to watch it? Sounds great!
    Much easier to search for episodes on Netflix than on iPlayer.

    (Netflix is actually cheaper than the BBC for most of us as well.)
    You also need a TV licence to watch BBC programmes on Netflix though.
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    Nigelb said:

    Anyway.

    Away with all this doom and gloom promoted hour by hour in the media and let us all congratulate Captain Tom who just completed his 100 laps live on BBC

    He is the true spirit of our nation, a real hero and inspiration

    His positive attitude and can do is sadly lacking from so many doomsters

    He has just said live on BBC

    'The sun will shine on you and the clouds will go away'

    Put that front and centre of our thoughts and seek the good not the bad

    Which has nothing to do with the hard policy choices coming up.
    With all due respect to the Major, he doesn’t have to worry about whether he’ll have a job next month... or for the rest of the decade for that matter.
    There is no respect in that comment whatsoever

    And you miss the point altogether

    And he is a Captain
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Prof seems to have decided for the government.

    Professor Neil Ferguson, whose modelling has guided Downing Street’s crisis strategy, this morning told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that when the UK lockdown does eventually end, social distancing measures are likely to remain in place “indefinitely” until a coronavirus vaccine can be rolled out.

    Ferguson warned that it would not be possible to relax the lockdown until a significant infrastructure was in place.

    He said the UK’s ability to come out of lockdown would “depend on how quickly case numbers go down”. But it would also require an emphasis on scaling up testing and contact tracing, because if measures were relaxed without a strong plan in place there was too much risk of a resurgence in cases.

    Ferguson said there were some first signs that social distancing measure in the UK may be working, with trends such as the number of calls to 999, 111 and admissions to hospital beginning to flatten.

    But he said more needed to be done to ensure the UK could leave lockdown safety. He called for a “command and control centre”, and suggested that any tracing provided by mobile phone apps would have to be supplemented by a “small army” of people testing and tracing.

    “I would like to see action accelerated, decisions need to be accelerated and real progress made,” he said....


    Another three weeks, at least.

    Thankfully, it’s not up to him.
    You sure ?
    He’s not the only source of advice to the Government, and the Government decide.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    This tweet looks massive for improving outcomes

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1250205685868122115
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Is James Bond that franchise that is never as good as it never was?

    A bit like Dr Who*, for spies...


    *Dr Who has reappeared in BBC iPlayer archive section with the first modern series.

    It’s also on Netflix.
    Er... So you don't have to accept the free version, you can pay a subscription to watch it? Sounds great!
    Which versions free in your eyes?

    The BBC costs far, far more than Netflix. If you're on a tight budget then getting Netflix is much cheaper as well as much better value for money. The BBC is a luxury more than Netflix.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,645
    algarkirk said:

    The message when we do come out of lockdown has to remain: "This thing is still out there - and this thing can still kill you." Nobody with ANY symptoms should leave the house. Everybody that leaves the house needs to wear a mask. I don't know whether we will have enough masks for the end of April? Those who can work from home should continue to do so. Those who can't will worry about using public transport. Everyone with a mask needs to be the norm for travellers to feel less ill at ease. Plenty won't have a job to go back to, depsite the best efforts of government.
    That will obviously not look normal.

    I'm not sure how different any of the first stages of any return to "normal" will look. Some shops will re-open - but will people go there? Pubs, cinemas, clubs, theatres, concert halls - they will remain closed. Restaurants with well-spaced tables? Maybe. You can resume seeing friends again - but will you? "This thing is still out there - and this thing can still kill you." How badly do you want to catch up on their gossip of how their life under lockdown was, er, just the same as yours? To hear how they probably don't have a job next month. What an uplifting trip out that will be....

    But schools can re-open. That will be a change. A return to normal. Building sites can get back to building offices no-one needs, homes no-one can afford. We can - maybe - go out in our cars without a police drone tailing us. We can - maybe - take a drive in a National Park. But it will still feel like a life devoid of fun.

    Yes please. Social distancing will have to continue for a long time. We can get used to having to space out in queues - we're British. It'll be phased of course. That's fine - so lets plan it. We will have some droogs who ignore it, and they can be dealt with. But we need something to work towards.
    I’m baffled (genuinely) at why so much of the country favours such restrictive measures for such a long time and enthusiastically looks forward to policing them in others.

    I’m increasingly coming round to @edmundintokyo’s view: the British hate freedom.
    The evidence is overwhelming that most people favour banning more things, passing more laws and limiting freedoms. Not only are libertarians an endangered species, but liberals are becoming rare too.

    Agreed. It’s extremely depressing. You now see how human societies go through cycles of enlightenment followed by tyranny. Just like Ancient Greece did.

    We are going backwards.
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    Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 8,846
    quiz question
    Name the american emperor that issued a decree that congress should be dissolved by force
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