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  • Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
    I assume that you are in favour of the re-introduction of secondary moderns for the 75% that don't make the grammar school.

    Yes, they can't be worse than the current comprehensives.
    Out of interest, do you have children who go to comprehensives?
  • DavidL said:



    Retail is still seriously depressed, there is no getting away from it.

    Except it isn't.

    Its not depressed and is way above pre recession levels.

    How can it not be when the government is subsidising it by over £100bn each and every year.

    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=J467&dataset=drsi&table-id=1

    What does happen in retail are shifting patterns within it.

    For example people buy things from the internet these days with the result that many retail units instead become coffee shops.

    The explosion of those things are the perfect illustration that many people have money to waste.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    tim said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


    It's very revealing of EdM's lack of faith in his own people that he feels the need to employ a dodgy , discredited but competent propagandist like Campbell.

    As opposed to Cameron employing Lynton Crosby who masterminded the failed 2005 election campaign
    Crosby as being through the grinder,just hope ed as brought the disgusting Campbell back.

  • tim said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


    It's very revealing of EdM's lack of faith in his own people that he feels the need to employ a dodgy , discredited but competent propagandist like Campbell.

    As opposed to Cameron employing Lynton Crosby who masterminded the failed 2005 election campaign
    Early campaigning going well down my way. Labour only party on the doorsteps. No sign of anyone else. If labour campaign being beefed up even more by these big hitters there is only going to be one winner at the GE.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    How bad must things be in Labour HQ for them to think Alastair Campbell is the right answer?
  • Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
    I assume that you are in favour of the re-introduction of secondary moderns for the 75% that don't make the grammar school.

    Yes, they can't be worse than the current comprehensives.
    Out of interest, do you have children who go to comprehensives?
    My youngest is 29 so no.

    But my eldest granddaughter is now 20 and she did and to be fair it was good. But then again we are in Bucks where the whole education system is good.

    Do you have any children at grammar school?

    And where are the answers to my questions? Are you too afraid or too dim to answer, or are you like the other Labour postèrs on here?

    Good at sneering and smearing but no substance?
  • valleyboy said:

    tim said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


    It's very revealing of EdM's lack of faith in his own people that he feels the need to employ a dodgy , discredited but competent propagandist like Campbell.

    As opposed to Cameron employing Lynton Crosby who masterminded the failed 2005 election campaign
    Early campaigning going well down my way. Labour only party on the doorsteps. No sign of anyone else. If labour campaign being beefed up even more by these big hitters there is only going to be one winner at the GE.

    Feet on the floor will always bring an advantage, how much an advantage we will see at the election.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    edited December 2013
    'No flashing willys on Dunbar Close'!

    The Sport story about the willy house is not for the faint-hearted pic.twitter.com/E6XkKAPaTz
    chrisdeerin
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2013
    Looks like Victoria Ayling is the UKIP councillor on the front cover of the Mail:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21905321
  • Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
    I assume that you are in favour of the re-introduction of secondary moderns for the 75% that don't make the grammar school.

    Yes, they can't be worse than the current comprehensives.
    Out of interest, do you have children who go to comprehensives?
    My youngest is 29 so no.

    But my eldest granddaughter is now 20 and she did and to be fair it was good. But then again we are in Bucks where the whole education system is good.

    Do you have any children at grammar school?

    And where are the answers to my questions? Are you too afraid or too dim to answer, or are you like the other Labour postèrs on here?

    Good at sneering and smearing but no substance?
    No children at grammar school. Still waiting for a post from you with me stating or implying Ed will walk it.

    Based in Bucks, I can see why you think Osborne is doing a great job.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited December 2013
    valleyboy said:

    tim said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


    It's very revealing of EdM's lack of faith in his own people that he feels the need to employ a dodgy , discredited but competent propagandist like Campbell.

    As opposed to Cameron employing Lynton Crosby who masterminded the failed 2005 election campaign
    Early campaigning going well down my way. Labour only party on the doorsteps. No sign of anyone else. If labour campaign being beefed up even more by these big hitters there is only going to be one winner at the GE.

    Are these doorstepping Labour activists apologising for the mess Labour has made of Wales' schools and hospitals ?

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
    I assume that you are in favour of the re-introduction of secondary moderns for the 75% that don't make the grammar school.

    Yes, they can't be worse than the current comprehensives.
    Out of interest, do you have children who go to comprehensives?
    My youngest is 29 so no.

    But my eldest granddaughter is now 20 and she did and to be fair it was good. But then again we are in Bucks where the whole education system is good.

    Do you have any children at grammar school?

    And where are the answers to my questions? Are you too afraid or too dim to answer, or are you like the other Labour postèrs on here?

    Good at sneering and smearing but no substance?
    No children at grammar school. Still waiting for a post from you with me stating or implying Ed will walk it.

    Based in Bucks, I can see why you think Osborne is doing a great job.
    May I ask where you live ?

  • Scott_P said:

    How bad must things be in Labour HQ for them to think Alastair Campbell is the right answer?

    I can assure you that campaigning going well but more than happy to get help from Campbell.
  • Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
    I assume that you are in favour of the re-introduction of secondary moderns for the 75% that don't make the grammar school.

    Yes, they can't be worse than the current comprehensives.
    Out of interest, do you have children who go to comprehensives?
    My youngest is 29 so no.

    But my eldest granddaughter is now 20 and she did and to be fair it was good. But then again we are in Bucks where the whole education system is good.

    Do you have any children at grammar school?

    And where are the answers to my questions? Are you too afraid or too dim to answer, or are you like the other Labour postèrs on here?

    Good at sneering and smearing but no substance?
    No children at grammar school. Still waiting for a post from you with me stating or implying Ed will walk it.

    Based in Bucks, I can see why you think Osborne is doing a great job.
    May I ask where you live ?

    You can and you have.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    valleyboy said:


    I can assure you that campaigning going well but more than happy to get help from Campbell.

    A campaign that includes the team that brought you the Iraq War. Brave...
  • valleyboy said:

    tim said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the
    #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


    It's very revealing of EdM's lack of faith in his own people that he feels the need to employ a dodgy , discredited but competent propagandist like Campbell.

    As opposed to Cameron employing Lynton Crosby who masterminded the failed 2005 election campaign
    Early campaigning going well down my way. Labour only party on the doorsteps. No sign of anyone else. If labour campaign being beefed up even more by these big hitters there is only going to be one winner at the GE.

    Feet on the floor will always bring an advantage, how much an advantage we will see at the election.
    The ground war still the one to win. All about identifying your voters at the moment.Will pay massive dividends in business end of campaign.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
    I assume that you are in favour of the re-introduction of secondary moderns for the 75% that don't make the grammar school.

    Yes, they can't be worse than the current comprehensives.
    Out of interest, do you have children who go to comprehensives?
    My youngest is 29 so no.

    But my eldest granddaughter is now 20 and she did and to be fair it was good. But then again we are in Bucks where the whole education system is good.

    Do you have any children at grammar school?

    And where are the answers to my questions? Are you too afraid or too dim to answer, or are you like the other Labour postèrs on here?

    Good at sneering and smearing but no substance?
    No children at grammar school. Still waiting for a post from you with me stating or implying Ed will walk it.

    Based in Bucks, I can see why you think Osborne is doing a great job.
    May I ask where you live ?

    You can and you have.
    Just Pathetic.

  • Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
    I assume that you are in favour of the re-introduction of secondary moderns for the 75% that don't make the grammar school.

    Yes, they can't be worse than the current comprehensives.
    Out of interest, do you have children who go to comprehensives?
    My youngest is 29 so no.

    But my eldest granddaughter is now 20 and she did and to be fair it was good. But then again we are in Bucks where the whole education system is good.

    Do you have any children at grammar school?

    And where are the answers to my questions? Are you too afraid or too dim to answer, or are you like the other Labour postèrs on here?

    Good at sneering and smearing but no substance?
    No children at grammar school. Still waiting for a post from you with me stating or implying Ed will walk it.

    Based in Bucks, I can see why you think Osborne is doing a great job.
    Sorry to butt in, but I went to grammar but hated every minute(unfortunately was all boys school).

  • Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
    I assume that you are in favour of the re-introduction of secondary moderns for the 75% that don't make the grammar school.

    Yes, they can't be worse than the current comprehensives.
    Out of interest, do you have children who go to comprehensives?
    My youngest is 29 so no.

    But my eldest granddaughter is now 20 and she did and to be fair it was good. But then again we are in Bucks where the whole education system is good.

    Do you have any children at grammar school?

    And where are the answers to my questions? Are you too afraid or too dim to answer, or are you like the other Labour postèrs on here?

    Good at sneering and smearing but no substance?
    No children at grammar school. Still waiting for a post from you with me stating or implying Ed will walk it.

    Based in Bucks, I can see why you think Osborne is doing a great job.
    I responded to that ages ago.

    Answer my questions or are you just a smearing coward?

    Please prove to me that the likes of you, Tim and the rest have some substance. Don't fall into the smear and sneer trap' come up with some suggestions or point me to some Labour policies.

    For God's sake prove me wrong.
  • valleyboy said:

    valleyboy said:

    tim said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the
    #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


    It's very revealing of EdM's lack of faith in his own people that he feels the need to employ a dodgy , discredited but competent propagandist like Campbell.

    As opposed to Cameron employing Lynton Crosby who masterminded the failed 2005 election campaign
    Early campaigning going well down my way. Labour only party on the doorsteps. No sign of anyone else. If labour campaign being beefed up even more by these big hitters there is only going to be one winner at the GE.

    Feet on the floor will always bring an advantage, how much an advantage we will see at the election.
    The ground war still the one to win. All about identifying your voters at the moment.Will pay massive dividends in business end of campaign.
    Campbell's your man if you want to get an illegal ground war going .

  • valleyboy said:

    valleyboy said:

    tim said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the
    #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


    It's very revealing of EdM's lack of faith in his own people that he feels the need to employ a dodgy , discredited but competent propagandist like Campbell.

    As opposed to Cameron employing Lynton Crosby who masterminded the failed 2005 election campaign
    Early campaigning going well down my way. Labour only party on the doorsteps. No sign of anyone else. If labour campaign being beefed up even more by these big hitters there is only going to be one winner at the GE.

    Feet on the floor will always bring an advantage, how much an advantage we will see at the election.
    The ground war still the one to win. All about identifying your voters at the moment.Will pay massive dividends in business end of campaign.
    I think it will be mixed, ground war and cyber war, however one without the other limits your campaign. You obviously need the feet to engage in the ground war, that is one thing Labour doesn't seem to have any problems with.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The Mail video wasn't as controversial as I was expecting, to be honest. Bit of an exaggerated story.
  • compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited December 2013

    Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
    I assume that you are in favour of the re-introduction of secondary moderns for the 75% that don't make the grammar school.

    Yes, they can't be worse than the current comprehensives.
    Out of interest, do you have children who go to comprehensives?
    My youngest is 29 so no.

    But my eldest granddaughter is now 20 and she did and to be fair it was good. But then again we are in Bucks where the whole education system is good.

    Do you have any children at grammar school?

    And where are the answers to my questions? Are you too afraid or too dim to answer, or are you like the other Labour postèrs on here?

    Good at sneering and smearing but no substance?
    No children at grammar school. Still waiting for a post from you with me stating or implying Ed will walk it.

    Based in Bucks, I can see why you think Osborne is doing a great job.
    I responded to that ages ago.

    Answer my questions or are you just a smearing coward?

    Please prove to me that the likes of you, Tim and the rest have some substance. Don't fall into the smear and sneer trap' come up with some suggestions or point me to some Labour policies.

    For God's sake prove me wrong.
    Who is smearing? What have I smeared? Is the smearing in the same posts as me saying Ed will walk it?
  • Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
    I assume that you are in favour of the re-introduction of secondary moderns for the 75% that don't make the grammar school.

    Yes, they can't be worse than the current comprehensives.
    Out of interest, do you have children who go to comprehensives?
    My youngest is 29 so no.

    But my eldest granddaughter is now 20 and she did and to be fair it was good. But then again we are in Bucks where the whole education system is good.

    Do you have any children at grammar school?

    And where are the answers to my questions? Are you too afraid or too dim to answer, or are you like the other Labour postèrs on here?

    Good at sneering and smearing but no substance?
    No children at grammar school. Still waiting for a post from you with me stating or implying Ed will walk it.

    Based in Bucks, I can see why you think Osborne is doing a great job.
    May I ask where you live ?

    You can and you have.
    Just Pathetic.

    What is?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    valleyboy said:

    valleyboy said:

    tim said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the
    #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


    It's very revealing of EdM's lack of faith in his own people that he feels the need to employ a dodgy , discredited but competent propagandist like Campbell.

    As opposed to Cameron employing Lynton Crosby who masterminded the failed 2005 election campaign
    Early campaigning going well down my way. Labour only party on the doorsteps. No sign of anyone else. If labour campaign being beefed up even more by these big hitters there is only going to be one winner at the GE.

    Feet on the floor will always bring an advantage, how much an advantage we will see at the election.
    The ground war still the one to win. All about identifying your voters at the moment.Will pay massive dividends in business end of campaign.
    I think it will be mixed, ground war and cyber war, however one without the other limits your campaign. You obviously need the feet to engage in the ground war, that is one thing Labour doesn't seem to have any problems with.
    IoS is that really you ?

  • valleyboy said:

    valleyboy said:

    tim said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the
    #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


    It's very revealing of EdM's lack of faith in his own people that he feels the need to employ a dodgy , discredited but competent propagandist like Campbell.

    As opposed to Cameron employing Lynton Crosby who masterminded the failed 2005 election campaign
    Early campaigning going well down my way. Labour only party on the doorsteps. No sign of anyone else. If labour campaign being beefed up even more by these big hitters there is only going to be one winner at the GE.

    Feet on the floor will always bring an advantage, how much an advantage we will see at the election.
    The ground war still the one to win. All about identifying your voters at the moment.Will pay massive dividends in business end of campaign.
    I think it will be mixed, ground war and cyber war, however one without the other limits your campaign. You obviously need the feet to engage in the ground war, that is one thing Labour doesn't seem to have any problems with.
    IoS is that really you ?

    No, however at first I thought you typed IDS, now that would have been worrying.
  • @Nigel4Englsnd

    I did ask you to stop your over aggressive questioning. You haven't and have just carried on.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    valleyboy said:

    valleyboy said:

    tim said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the
    #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


    It's very revealing of EdM's lack of faith in his own people that he feels the need to employ a dodgy , discredited but competent propagandist like Campbell.

    As opposed to Cameron employing Lynton Crosby who masterminded the failed 2005 election campaign
    Early campaigning going well down my way. Labour only party on the doorsteps. No sign of anyone else. If labour campaign being beefed up even more by these big hitters there is only going to be one winner at the GE.

    Feet on the floor will always bring an advantage, how much an advantage we will see at the election.
    The ground war still the one to win. All about identifying your voters at the moment.Will pay massive dividends in business end of campaign.
    I think it will be mixed, ground war and cyber war, however one without the other limits your campaign. You obviously need the feet to engage in the ground war, that is one thing Labour doesn't seem to have any problems with.
    IoS is that really you ?

    No, however at first I thought you typed IDS, now that would have been worrying.
    Not really,IDS is secretary state for work and pensions and you are ?

  • compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited December 2013

    valleyboy said:

    valleyboy said:

    tim said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the
    #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


    It's very revealing of EdM's lack of faith in his own people that he feels the need to employ a dodgy , discredited but competent propagandist like Campbell.

    As opposed to Cameron employing Lynton Crosby who masterminded the failed 2005 election campaign
    Early campaigning going well down my way. Labour only party on the doorsteps. No sign of anyone else. If labour campaign being beefed up even more by these big hitters there is only going to be one winner at the GE.

    Feet on the floor will always bring an advantage, how much an advantage we will see at the election.
    The ground war still the one to win. All about identifying your voters at the moment.Will pay massive dividends in business end of campaign.
    I think it will be mixed, ground war and cyber war, however one without the other limits your campaign. You obviously need the feet to engage in the ground war, that is one thing Labour doesn't seem to have any problems with.
    IoS is that really you ?

    No, however at first I thought you typed IDS, now that would have been worrying.
    Not really,IDS is secretary state for work and pensions and you are ?

    compouter1- though I have been accused of being someone called Ash on here in the near past. IOS can join him in another mistaken identity.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    valleyboy said:

    valleyboy said:

    tim said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the
    #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


    It's very revealing of EdM's lack of faith in his own people that he feels the need to employ a dodgy , discredited but competent propagandist like Campbell.

    As opposed to Cameron employing Lynton Crosby who masterminded the failed 2005 election campaign
    Early campaigning going well down my way. Labour only party on the doorsteps. No sign of anyone else. If labour campaign being beefed up even more by these big hitters there is only going to be one winner at the GE.

    Feet on the floor will always bring an advantage, how much an advantage we will see at the election.
    The ground war still the one to win. All about identifying your voters at the moment.Will pay massive dividends in business end of campaign.
    I think it will be mixed, ground war and cyber war, however one without the other limits your campaign. You obviously need the feet to engage in the ground war, that is one thing Labour doesn't seem to have any problems with.
    IoS is that really you ?

    No, however at first I thought you typed IDS, now that would have been worrying.
    Not really,IDS is secretary state for work and pensions and you are ?

    compouter1
    That's right,a nobody.

  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    Scott_P said:

    How bad must things be in Labour HQ for them to think Alastair Campbell is the right answer?

    Labour just loves dodgy dossiers and dirty tricks.

  • compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited December 2013

    valleyboy said:

    valleyboy said:

    tim said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the
    #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


    It's very revealing of EdM's lack of faith in his own people that he feels the need to employ a dodgy , discredited but competent propagandist like Campbell.

    As opposed to Cameron employing Lynton Crosby who masterminded the failed 2005 election campaign
    Early campaigning going well down my way. Labour only party on the doorsteps. No sign of anyone else. If labour campaign being beefed up even more by these big hitters there is only going to be one winner at the GE.

    Feet on the floor will always bring an advantage, how much an advantage we will see at the election.
    The ground war still the one to win. All about identifying your voters at the moment.Will pay massive dividends in business end of campaign.
    I think it will be mixed, ground war and cyber war, however one without the other limits your campaign. You obviously need the feet to engage in the ground war, that is one thing Labour doesn't seem to have any problems with.
    IoS is that really you ?

    No, however at first I thought you typed IDS, now that would have been worrying.
    Not really,IDS is secretary state for work and pensions and you are ?

    compouter1
    That's right,a nobody.

    We are all somebody Tykejonno. However, this is a messageboard and the vast majority don't post their own name, so you are right, compouter1 really is a nobody.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    valleyboy said:

    valleyboy said:

    tim said:

    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the
    #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


    It's very revealing of EdM's lack of faith in his own people that he feels the need to employ a dodgy , discredited but competent propagandist like Campbell.

    As opposed to Cameron employing Lynton Crosby who masterminded the failed 2005 election campaign
    Early campaigning going well down my way. Labour only party on the doorsteps. No sign of anyone else. If labour campaign being beefed up even more by these big hitters there is only going to be one winner at the GE.

    Feet on the floor will always bring an advantage, how much an advantage we will see at the election.
    The ground war still the one to win. All about identifying your voters at the moment.Will pay massive dividends in business end of campaign.
    I think it will be mixed, ground war and cyber war, however one without the other limits your campaign. You obviously need the feet to engage in the ground war, that is one thing Labour doesn't seem to have any problems with.
    IoS is that really you ?

    No, however at first I thought you typed IDS, now that would have been worrying.
    Not really,IDS is secretary state for work and pensions and you are ?

    compouter1
    That's right,a nobody.

    We are all somebody Tykejonno. However, this is a messageboard and the vast majority don't post their own name, so you are right, compouter1 really is a nobody.
    Give it up as a bad job lad.

  • What is a bad job? The fact that I wont tell you who I am or where I live? I didn't realise that there was some compulsion on this site to provide those details. Am I missing something here? People post on here their interpretation of polls, the current political position of all parties, and it seems now and again betting posts (within the site rules) and people respond as such(again within site rules). The fact that some people think it gives you some kind of credibility, on a messageboard, is foreign to me and I really don't give a flying what people think of what I post. The way some people get excited on here over the simple things is actually quite amusing.

    By the way I apologise if you really are Stuart McCall, then obviously you have posted who you really are, and I think you were a cracking footy player and gave me some of my best days watching footy.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    What is a bad job? The fact that I wont tell you who I am or where I live? I didn't realise that there was some compulsion on this site to provide those details. Am I missing something here? People post on here their interpretation of polls, the current political position of all parties, and it seems now and again betting posts (within the site rules) and people respond as such(again within site rules). The fact that some people think it gives you some kind of credibility, on a messageboard, is foreign to me and I really don't give a flying what people think of what I post. The way some people get excited on here over the simple things is actually quite amusing.

    By the way I apologise if you really are Stuart McCall, then obviously you have posted who you really are, and I think you were a cracking footy player and gave me some of my best days watching footy.

    No,I'm just a nobody from west Bradford ;-)

    So you a Bradford or Rangers or everton or even sheff united fan ?

    You will answer at least one Question tonight ?


  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Two MPs who don't seem to be taking Twitter very seriously:

    https://twitter.com/PBottomleyMP

    https://twitter.com/Juliansturdy
  • What is a bad job? The fact that I wont tell you who I am or where I live? I didn't realise that there was some compulsion on this site to provide those details. Am I missing something here? People post on here their interpretation of polls, the current political position of all parties, and it seems now and again betting posts (within the site rules) and people respond as such(again within site rules). The fact that some people think it gives you some kind of credibility, on a messageboard, is foreign to me and I really don't give a flying what people think of what I post. The way some people get excited on here over the simple things is actually quite amusing.

    By the way I apologise if you really are Stuart McCall, then obviously you have posted who you really are, and I think you were a cracking footy player and gave me some of my best days watching footy.

    No,I'm just a nobody from west Bradford ;-)

    So you a Bradford or Rangers or everton or even sheff united fan ?

    You will answer at least one Question tonight ?


    You have asked me this once before, though obviously you do not remember. It was obviously on a day when you didn't feel a bit narked with my posts.....Everton.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    What is a bad job? The fact that I wont tell you who I am or where I live? I didn't realise that there was some compulsion on this site to provide those details. Am I missing something here? People post on here their interpretation of polls, the current political position of all parties, and it seems now and again betting posts (within the site rules) and people respond as such(again within site rules). The fact that some people think it gives you some kind of credibility, on a messageboard, is foreign to me and I really don't give a flying what people think of what I post. The way some people get excited on here over the simple things is actually quite amusing.

    By the way I apologise if you really are Stuart McCall, then obviously you have posted who you really are, and I think you were a cracking footy player and gave me some of my best days watching footy.

    No,I'm just a nobody from west Bradford ;-)

    So you a Bradford or Rangers or everton or even sheff united fan ?

    You will answer at least one Question tonight ?


    You have asked me this once before, though obviously you do not remember. It was obviously on a day when you didn't feel a bit narked with my posts.....Everton.
    Or yes - lol

  • What is a bad job? The fact that I wont tell you who I am or where I live? I didn't realise that there was some compulsion on this site to provide those details. Am I missing something here? People post on here their interpretation of polls, the current political position of all parties, and it seems now and again betting posts (within the site rules) and people respond as such(again within site rules). The fact that some people think it gives you some kind of credibility, on a messageboard, is foreign to me and I really don't give a flying what people think of what I post. The way some people get excited on here over the simple things is actually quite amusing.

    By the way I apologise if you really are Stuart McCall, then obviously you have posted who you really are, and I think you were a cracking footy player and gave me some of my best days watching footy.

    No,I'm just a nobody from west Bradford ;-)

    So you a Bradford or Rangers or everton or even sheff united fan ?

    You will answer at least one Question tonight ?


    You have asked me this once before, though obviously you do not remember. It was obviously on a day when you didn't feel a bit narked with my posts.....Everton.
    Or yes - lol

    The best FA Cup final I have ever been to when we lost and he was he reason why. Still don't know why we sold him. I assume like now, we were skint.


    Now we have football posts on here. This messageboard knows no bounds.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    What is a bad job? The fact that I wont tell you who I am or where I live? I didn't realise that there was some compulsion on this site to provide those details. Am I missing something here? People post on here their interpretation of polls, the current political position of all parties, and it seems now and again betting posts (within the site rules) and people respond as such(again within site rules). The fact that some people think it gives you some kind of credibility, on a messageboard, is foreign to me and I really don't give a flying what people think of what I post. The way some people get excited on here over the simple things is actually quite amusing.

    By the way I apologise if you really are Stuart McCall, then obviously you have posted who you really are, and I think you were a cracking footy player and gave me some of my best days watching footy.

    No,I'm just a nobody from west Bradford ;-)

    So you a Bradford or Rangers or everton or even sheff united fan ?

    You will answer at least one Question tonight ?


    You have asked me this once before, though obviously you do not remember. It was obviously on a day when you didn't feel a bit narked with my posts.....Everton.
    Or yes - lol

    Sorry about some of my post to you,It's proberly me kowing we heading towards another labour government and labour pb rubbing it in ;-)

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Another one:

    https://twitter.com/crispinbluntmp

    I don't why people bother to start Twitter feeds if they're not going to use them.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    What is a bad job? The fact that I wont tell you who I am or where I live? I didn't realise that there was some compulsion on this site to provide those details. Am I missing something here? People post on here their interpretation of polls, the current political position of all parties, and it seems now and again betting posts (within the site rules) and people respond as such(again within site rules). The fact that some people think it gives you some kind of credibility, on a messageboard, is foreign to me and I really don't give a flying what people think of what I post. The way some people get excited on here over the simple things is actually quite amusing.

    By the way I apologise if you really are Stuart McCall, then obviously you have posted who you really are, and I think you were a cracking footy player and gave me some of my best days watching footy.

    No,I'm just a nobody from west Bradford ;-)

    So you a Bradford or Rangers or everton or even sheff united fan ?

    You will answer at least one Question tonight ?


    You have asked me this once before, though obviously you do not remember. It was obviously on a day when you didn't feel a bit narked with my posts.....Everton.
    Or yes - lol

    The best FA Cup final I have ever been to when we lost and he was he reason why. Still don't know why we sold him. I assume like now, we were skint.


    Now we have football posts on here. This messageboard knows no bounds.
    By the sport pages of our local paper,it looks like Bradford skint again and our star striker naki wells could be off ;-)

    Martinez for moyes,you lucky B's ;-)

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Andrew Rosindell MP hasn't tweeted since October 2012:

    https://twitter.com/AndrewRosindell
  • What is a bad job? The fact that I wont tell you who I am or where I live? I didn't realise that there was some compulsion on this site to provide those details. Am I missing something here? People post on here their interpretation of polls, the current political position of all parties, and it seems now and again betting posts (within the site rules) and people respond as such(again within site rules). The fact that some people think it gives you some kind of credibility, on a messageboard, is foreign to me and I really don't give a flying what people think of what I post. The way some people get excited on here over the simple things is actually quite amusing.

    By the way I apologise if you really are Stuart McCall, then obviously you have posted who you really are, and I think you were a cracking footy player and gave me some of my best days watching footy.

    No,I'm just a nobody from west Bradford ;-)

    So you a Bradford or Rangers or everton or even sheff united fan ?

    You will answer at least one Question tonight ?


    You have asked me this once before, though obviously you do not remember. It was obviously on a day when you didn't feel a bit narked with my posts.....Everton.
    Or yes - lol

    Sorry about some of my post to you,It's proberly me kowing we heading towards another labour government and labour pb rubbing it in ;-)

    No problem, however,that is all it is, a bit of rubbing it in on a messageboard. It means nothing. In reality, for the majority on here unless you go to the meetings at Dirty Dicks or wherever you will never know or meet the people on here.Or you have met them outside of here, like I have OGH a few times, and I bet he hasn't got the foggiest who I really am, which in reality is the best way to keep it. Too many people seem to lose the fact of this on a thread about Osbornes popularity, whether Ed is crap or the oncoming Labour government ;-)
  • What is a bad job? The fact that I wont tell you who I am or where I live? I didn't realise that there was some compulsion on this site to provide those details. Am I missing something here? People post on here their interpretation of polls, the current political position of all parties, and it seems now and again betting posts (within the site rules) and people respond as such(again within site rules). The fact that some people think it gives you some kind of credibility, on a messageboard, is foreign to me and I really don't give a flying what people think of what I post. The way some people get excited on here over the simple things is actually quite amusing.

    By the way I apologise if you really are Stuart McCall, then obviously you have posted who you really are, and I think you were a cracking footy player and gave me some of my best days watching footy.

    No,I'm just a nobody from west Bradford ;-)

    So you a Bradford or Rangers or everton or even sheff united fan ?

    You will answer at least one Question tonight ?


    You have asked me this once before, though obviously you do not remember. It was obviously on a day when you didn't feel a bit narked with my posts.....Everton.
    Or yes - lol

    The best FA Cup final I have ever been to when we lost and he was he reason why. Still don't know why we sold him. I assume like now, we were skint.


    Now we have football posts on here. This messageboard knows no bounds.
    By the sport pages of our local paper,it looks like Bradford skint again and our star striker naki wells could be off ;-)

    Martinez for moyes,you lucky B's ;-)

    I was devastated when Moyes left....now couldn't be happier.
  • tim said:

    @Nigel_Farage: Isn't it odd that the Tory supporting press go for people who might stand in target seats the Tories have in their sights?

    You just know this will be a tit for tat. Expect a video to appear for a Tory MP or PPC. Labour should just sit back and let them get on with it.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    AndyJS said:

    Another one:

    https://twitter.com/crispinbluntmp

    I don't why people bother to start Twitter feeds if they're not going to use them.

    As a serious reply: possibly just to safeguard the name?

    IDS and others have attracted spoof accounts. Its a good idea to grab domains, twitter, skype etc just to stop others setting something embarrassing up on them.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    GeoffM said:

    AndyJS said:

    Another one:

    https://twitter.com/crispinbluntmp

    I don't why people bother to start Twitter feeds if they're not going to use them.

    As a serious reply: possibly just to safeguard the name?

    IDS and others have attracted spoof accounts. Its a good idea to grab domains, twitter, skype etc just to stop others setting something embarrassing up on them.
    Yes that might be the explanation.

    Jo Johnson MP hasn't tweeted personally since April:

    https://twitter.com/JoJohnsonMP
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited December 2013

    tim said:

    @Nigel_Farage: Isn't it odd that the Tory supporting press go for people who might stand in target seats the Tories have in their sights?

    You just know this will be a tit for tat. Expect a video to appear for a Tory MP or PPC. Labour should just sit back and let them get on with it.
    The big Question from this,how many readers will the mail lose trying to smear ukip.

  • compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited December 2013
    Tyke - The big Question,how many readers will the mail lose trying to smear ukip.

    There doesn't seem to be any constant with the Mail or even the Express. Take the fact they both keep saying it will be the freezing Winter from hell, and we are still waiting for it, their politics and front pages have been all over the place.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    tim said:

    Cook capitulates

    Whose bloody idea was it for the ashes series home and away so close together.

  • AndyJS said:

    GeoffM said:

    AndyJS said:

    Another one:

    https://twitter.com/crispinbluntmp

    I don't why people bother to start Twitter feeds if they're not going to use them.

    As a serious reply: possibly just to safeguard the name?

    IDS and others have attracted spoof accounts. Its a good idea to grab domains, twitter, skype etc just to stop others setting something embarrassing up on them.
    Yes that might be the explanation.

    Jo Johnson MP hasn't tweeted personally since April:

    https://twitter.com/JoJohnsonMP
    In reality, anyone can play on names and set up a twitter account supposedly from any MP they want, it's not like it is hard to do:

    https://twitter.com/IDS_MP

    Even Cameron falls for it:

    http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/15/man-behind-spoof-ids-twitter-account-admits-he-was-surprised-to-have-tricked-david-cameron-3883527/
  • AndyJS said:

    Andrew Rosindell MP hasn't tweeted since October 2012:

    https://twitter.com/AndrewRosindell

    I hardly use twitter - I spend far too much time on here!

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2
  • BlueberryBlueberry Posts: 408
    edited December 2013
    Victoria Ayling - gotta love her. The more people who see that video the better. Excellent recruiting material. Great example of the semantic bullshit gymnastics normal people have to go through every day because of Labour's Open Door Immigration Policy.
  • AndyJS said:

    Andrew Rosindell MP hasn't tweeted since October 2012:

    https://twitter.com/AndrewRosindell

    I hardly use twitter - I spend far too much time on here!

    https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2
    I have gone down far enough on your twitter account to see your long road to Ed is Great ;-)
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    AndyJS said:

    GeoffM said:

    AndyJS said:

    Another one:

    https://twitter.com/crispinbluntmp

    I don't why people bother to start Twitter feeds if they're not going to use them.

    As a serious reply: possibly just to safeguard the name?

    IDS and others have attracted spoof accounts. Its a good idea to grab domains, twitter, skype etc just to stop others setting something embarrassing up on them.
    Yes that might be the explanation.

    Jo Johnson MP hasn't tweeted personally since April:

    https://twitter.com/JoJohnsonMP
    In reality, anyone can play on names and set up a twitter account supposedly from any MP they want, it's not like it is hard to do:

    https://twitter.com/IDS_MP

    Even Cameron falls for it:

    http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/15/man-behind-spoof-ids-twitter-account-admits-he-was-surprised-to-have-tricked-david-cameron-3883527/
    Ironically there are some very sensible policies and opinions on the spoof IDS_MP account.

  • "Am I allowed to say that?"

    It's a fucking t-shirt.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Cooke was out 45 minutes ago to a disgraceful shot — and now Carberry repeats the mistake.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Scott_P said:

    valleyboy said:


    I can assure you that campaigning going well but more than happy to get help from Campbell.

    A campaign that includes the team that brought you the Iraq War. Brave...
    And seemingly in stark contrast to another of Ed's claims

    I sense a pattern emerging here.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    AndyJS said:

    Cooke was out 45 minutes ago to a disgraceful shot — and now Carberry repeats the mistake.

    That was truly awful. Not quick or short either. Why was he pulling like that? Idiot.

  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited December 2013
    Just looking back at the now usual negative Conservative threads on PB over the last few days, even following George Osborne's optimistic Autumn Statement they have come thick and fast. Got to admit it, I will laugh like a drain if the Conservatives manage to win a majority of even one on the back on an improving economy because the electorate couldn't risk another Labour Government this soon. Might cause a wee bit of an Oops moment here though, as even the possibility is no longer factored into the narrative of most of the threads to make things a bit more interesting or challenging like the old days on this site.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "'Homeopathy obsessive MP is out of touch with voters'

    A Tory MP has been accused of obsessing over fringe issues after raising the use of homeopathy in farming in Parliament.

    David Tredinnick has been criticised for submitting an Early Day Motion about a Yorkshire farmer's use of alternative remedies on his flock of sheep.

    Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidate for Bosworth Michael Mullaney says his Tory rival has got his priorities wrong and is wasting taxpayers' money by bringing up the issue at Westminster.

    He says Mr Tredinnick, a long-time advocate of homeopathy and herbal medicines, is failing to focus on matters important to his constituents."


    http://legacy.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Homeopathy-obsessive-MP-touch-voters/story-19618380-detail/story.html#ixzz2mqSAC6nG
  • AndyJS said:

    "'Homeopathy obsessive MP is out of touch with voters'

    A Tory MP has been accused of obsessing over fringe issues after raising the use of homeopathy in farming in Parliament.

    David Tredinnick has been criticised for submitting an Early Day Motion about a Yorkshire farmer's use of alternative remedies on his flock of sheep.

    Liberal Democrat parliamentary candidate for Bosworth Michael Mullaney says his Tory rival has got his priorities wrong and is wasting taxpayers' money by bringing up the issue at Westminster.

    He says Mr Tredinnick, a long-time advocate of homeopathy and herbal medicines, is failing to focus on matters important to his constituents."


    http://legacy.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Homeopathy-obsessive-MP-touch-voters/story-19618380-detail/story.html#ixzz2mqSAC6nG

    Since there's so little difference between the two parties on the issues they always argue about like the economy, it would be better if they switched the parties around and realigned every five years on some different area of division. I want a rationalism vs pseudo-science election.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2013
    Selections coming up later today:

    Labour:
    Falkirk
    Richmond Park

    Lib Dems:
    Dulwich & West Norwood

    We're also waiting for the results of the Labour selection meetings that were scheduled yesterday in North Dorset and Thornbury&Yate.

    616 candidates have been selected for GE2015:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At91c3wX1Wu5dFkzTjFrRmJRN3F6ODBTTEs4NGFhcUE#gid=0
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    AndyJS said:

    Another one:

    https://twitter.com/crispinbluntmp

    I don't why people bother to start Twitter feeds if they're not going to use them.

    So that they are ready to use if and when they want to use them.
    When I joined Twitter (in April 2011) it was 2 days before I decided what my first tweet would be; it was quite daunting at first because I didn't know what Twitter was "for". I still don't, of course, but that's beside the point.
  • fitalass said:

    Just looking back at the now usual negative Conservative threads on PB over the last few days, even following George Osborne's optimistic Autumn Statement they have come thick and fast. Got to admit it, I will laugh like a drain if the Conservatives manage to win a majority of even one on the back on an improving economy because the electorate couldn't risk another Labour Government this soon. Might cause a wee bit of an Oops moment here though, as even the possibility is no longer factored into the narrative of most of the threads to make things a bit more interesting or challenging like the old days on this site.

    When LAB was facing double digit polling deficits in the 2008/2009 period we never had threads on the possibility that Gordon Brown could lead his party to a majority.

    Also take a look at the threads on AS day - those were taking the big speech as positives for the Conservatives. It was only when the first poll was negative for the party that this became the focus.

    This site is driven by the numbers. Don't blame the messenger.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Good news for Ed from Falkirk:

    Falkirk 3 - Raith Rovers 1
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    fitalass said:

    Just looking back at the now usual negative Conservative threads on PB over the last few days, even following George Osborne's optimistic Autumn Statement they have come thick and fast. Got to admit it, I will laugh like a drain if the Conservatives manage to win a majority of even one on the back on an improving economy because the electorate couldn't risk another Labour Government this soon. Might cause a wee bit of an Oops moment here though, as even the possibility is no longer factored into the narrative of most of the threads to make things a bit more interesting or challenging like the old days on this site.

    "I will laugh like a drain if the Conservatives manage to win a majority "

    What will you so if they don't ?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited December 2013
    Mike, been around this site since it almost began, you used to not only report the consensus, but also challenge it to shake up the debate. Go back and look at your own earlier threads. Now, you run an uneven site that almost totally ignores the Westminster third party and its travails, instead preferring to do a Dan Hodges in reverse when it comes to the Conservatives.

    Only here, challenging or questioning you like you do Dan Hodges on twitter could get you banned from this site these days. Been saddened by the arbitrary way some interesting posters have been banned solely for disagreeing with you in recent times while others regularly ignore your decrees with only an occasionally very weak slap on the wrist as a result. You talk about the site being driven by numbers, so don't blame the messenger while most polling data these days is coming from online sources. We are now moving into unknown territory with the move from face to face/phone polling to that of online surveys. I think you are taking a huge risk assuming they have got this methodology right. So in a way, yes, I am quite legitimately questioning the messenger on this site.

    fitalass said:

    Just looking back at the now usual negative Conservative threads on PB over the last few days, even following George Osborne's optimistic Autumn Statement they have come thick and fast. Got to admit it, I will laugh like a drain if the Conservatives manage to win a majority of even one on the back on an improving economy because the electorate couldn't risk another Labour Government this soon. Might cause a wee bit of an Oops moment here though, as even the possibility is no longer factored into the narrative of most of the threads to make things a bit more interesting or challenging like the old days on this site.

    When LAB was facing double digit polling deficits in the 2008/2009 period we never had threads on the possibility that Gordon Brown could lead his party to a majority.

    Also take a look at the threads on AS day - those were taking the big speech as positives for the Conservatives. It was only when the first poll was negative for the party that this became the focus.

    This site is driven by the numbers. Don't blame the messenger.
  • fitalass said:

    Mike, been around this site since it almost began, you used to not only report the consensus, but also challenge it to shake up the debate. Go back and look at your own earlier threads. Now, you run an uneven site that almost totally ignores the Westminster third party and its travails, instead preferring to do a Dan Hodges in reverse when it comes to the Conservatives. Only challenging or questioning you like you do Dan Hodges on twitter could get you banned from this site these days, you talk about the site being driven by numbers, so don't blame the messenger while most polling data these days is coming from online sources. We are now moving into unknown territory with the move from face to face/phone polling to that of online surveys. I think you are taking a huge risk assuming they have got this methodology right. So in a way, yes, I am quite legitimately questioning the messenger on this site.

    fitalass said:

    Just looking back at the now usual negative Conservative threads on PB over the last few days, even following George Osborne's optimistic Autumn Statement they have come thick and fast. Got to admit it, I will laugh like a drain if the Conservatives manage to win a majority of even one on the back on an improving economy because the electorate couldn't risk another Labour Government this soon. Might cause a wee bit of an Oops moment here though, as even the possibility is no longer factored into the narrative of most of the threads to make things a bit more interesting or challenging like the old days on this site.

    When LAB was facing double digit polling deficits in the 2008/2009 period we never had threads on the possibility that Gordon Brown could lead his party to a majority.

    Also take a look at the threads on AS day - those were taking the big speech as positives for the Conservatives. It was only when the first poll was negative for the party that this became the focus.

    This site is driven by the numbers. Don't blame the messenger.
    The best price on CON MAJ is 7/2. How much have you got on Fitalass?
  • surbiton said:

    fitalass said:

    Just looking back at the now usual negative Conservative threads on PB over the last few days, even following George Osborne's optimistic Autumn Statement they have come thick and fast. Got to admit it, I will laugh like a drain if the Conservatives manage to win a majority of even one on the back on an improving economy because the electorate couldn't risk another Labour Government this soon. Might cause a wee bit of an Oops moment here though, as even the possibility is no longer factored into the narrative of most of the threads to make things a bit more interesting or challenging like the old days on this site.

    "I will laugh like a drain if the Conservatives manage to win a majority "

    What will you do if they don't ?
    Blame someone else. Probably the BBC.

    The decline and fall of the once mighty Conservative & Unionist Party is always someone else's fault. Never their own.

    You really ought to know that Surbiton.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited December 2013
    @fitalass I find it very hard making any case for a CON overall majority based on current polling. Not only are the Tories some way behind but they’re got to get a lead of 7-11%.

    It might be that the polls are all wrong and I would hope to be the first to spot such trends if that were to happen.

    In November 2009 I ignored the polling that the gap between CON and LAB was getting closer and almost until the end took the view that Cameron would get a majority.

    My view is that the best the Tories can hope for is another hung parliament with them getting most seats. I have bets on another CON-LD coalition at 9/1

  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited December 2013
    Mike, despite the constant rewriting of history by some posters on this site using puerile nicknames. I often questioned the ability of the Conservatives to overcome that electoral mountain they faced at the last GE to achieve a majority. I remember JackW doing a couple of articles for you, and even questioning him on the fact that I thought Alastair Darling as a high profile Cabinet Minister in the Treasury was then surely utterly safe in Edinburgh as a result despite the polls. I also questioned and ruled out your assumption that Nigel Farage ever stood a chance in John Bercow's seat the day you posted an article suggesting the possibility as well.

    You and I have in the past chatted on twitter about how the online polls exaggerated the Cleggism bounce in the online polls far more than the phone polls like ICM did. Do you remember the criticism you piled on Easteross when he suggested the Libdems were going to take a real hit in the lead up to last GE, he was in the end proved right. And I still reckon he deserves a thread from you acknowledging that fact by the way. :) But most of all, I would like to see you unban some of the genuine and polite critics who simple question or hold an opposing view from you and dared to question you, especially when you constantly ignore or deliberately lightly punish those that clearly take the p*ss with your rules on a daily basis. I really am beginning to think this very uneven and unfair moderation system is effecting the traffic that posts here these days.

    @fitalass I find it very hard making any case for a CON overall majority based on current polling. Not only are the Tories some way behind but they’re got to get a lead of 7-11%.

    It might be that the polls are all wrong and I would hope to be the first to spot such trends if that were to happen.

    In November 2009 I ignored the polling that the gap between CON and LAB was getting closer and almost until the end took the view that Cameron would get a majority.

    My view is that the best the Tories can hope for is another hung parliament with them getting most seats. I have bets on another CON-LD coalition at 9/1

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    @fitalass I find it very hard making any case for a CON overall majority based on current polling. Not only are the Tories some way behind but they’re got to get a lead of 7-11%.

    It might be that the polls are all wrong and I would hope to be the first to spot such trends if that were to happen.

    In November 2009 I ignored the polling that the gap between CON and LAB was getting closer and almost until the end took the view that Cameron would get a majority.

    My view is that the best the Tories can hope for is another hung parliament with them getting most seats. I have bets on another CON-LD coalition at 9/1

    I think CON-LD coalition at 9/1 is very good value. As I look at the arithmetic, it is almost certain bar one eventuality that the LD will be in coalition. That is why partly the LD's are quite calm despite the fact they will lose about a third of their MP's - even close to a half.

    Clegg himself will favour a CON-LD coalition as he is beginning to learn how to use his numerical strength. It took him some time to realise that the Tories can do nowt without the LD votes !

    The other eventuality is an outright Labour win [ or, a Labour most seats minority government ]which on current polls is a distinct possibility but I doubt come election time that will still be the case.
  • surbiton said:

    @fitalass I find it very hard making any case for a CON overall majority based on current polling. Not only are the Tories some way behind but they’re got to get a lead of 7-11%.

    It might be that the polls are all wrong and I would hope to be the first to spot such trends if that were to happen.

    In November 2009 I ignored the polling that the gap between CON and LAB was getting closer and almost until the end took the view that Cameron would get a majority.

    My view is that the best the Tories can hope for is another hung parliament with them getting most seats. I have bets on another CON-LD coalition at 9/1

    I think CON-LD coalition at 9/1 is very good value. As I look at the arithmetic, it is almost certain bar one eventuality that the LD will be in coalition. That is why partly the LD's are quite calm despite the fact they will lose about a third of their MP's - even close to a half.

    Clegg himself will favour a CON-LD coalition as he is beginning to learn how to use his numerical strength. It took him some time to realise that the Tories can do nowt without the LD votes !

    The other eventuality is an outright Labour win [ or, a Labour most seats minority government ]which on current polls is a distinct possibility but I doubt come election time that will still be the case.
    I think that overstates it. I'm not convinced Clegg would prefer Con to Lab if he was in a position to choose; Does he want an EU referendum, and if not can Cameron persuade his party to let it slide? But in any case with a smaller party the probability that he gets to choose becomes quite low, even if the probability of NOM is still quite high.

    The case for continued LibServative coalition is simply that it's quite tough to shift incumbents, so if the relative Con and Lab shares don't change much you end up with very little movement in seats. A coalition then gets preferred over minority government for the same reason as in 2010: It's more stable and less chaotic for everyone concerned.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Youguv-Con 34,Lab 39,Lib-10,UKIP-11,App-25
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Have they really done that? I thought his tweets earlier in the year showed a man in deep need of a rest.

    Crosby vs Campbell will be a real mudslinging contest, and can only benefit the other parties.

    Also it may prove a problem when Chillcot comes out.
    Scott_P said:

    How bad must things be in Labour HQ for them to think Alastair Campbell is the right answer?

  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    edited December 2013
    The Sunday Times YouGov numbers are starting to return to the pre-conference position - government approval up, Cameron "doing well" up and Miliband down.

    They also ask who would make best chancellor for first time since June. Numbers almost unchanged: Osborne 32; Balls 22; DK/none of the above 46.

    Osborne's net good job/bad job is up from -27 in June to -20.

    http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/bcuvyc2obh/YG-Archive-Pol-Sunday-Times-results-061213.pdf
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MSmithsonPB: Osborne has a YouGov lead of 10% as best chancellor.
    Just 55% of LAB voters backed Ed Balls

    @MSmithsonPB: In the crucial swing group of 2010 LD voters just 24% backed Ed Balls as best chancellor.
    LD switchers are vital to LAB's chances

    Polling versus PB Kinnock anecdote
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