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  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Smarmeron,

    "Apartheid was a bulwark against a possible massive loss of British investment in S.A."

    Now you're talking money and that makes sense. She may have believed that Apartheid was a bulwark that was rapidly crumbling, or even that Apartheid was inherently wrong and doomed to failure, But to call someone a racist just because you want them to be ....
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Sunil,

    Yes, i did know you were joking, and I do like your Ed-appreciation pieces.
  • CD13 said:

    Smarmeron,

    "Apartheid was a bulwark against a possible massive loss of British investment in S.A."

    Now you're talking money and that makes sense. She may have believed that Apartheid was a bulwark that was rapidly crumbling, or even that Apartheid was inherently wrong and doomed to failure, But to call someone a racist just because you want them to be ....

    Or to call someone a terrorist just because you want them to be...
  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312

    I don't know why we're so scared of playing Italy at the World Cup. They are ranked only one place ahead of us in the FIFA rankings (9th v. 10th).

    It is time to out myself. I am an Italian born in London in 1967.

    Number of finals Italy has reached in my lifetime?

    World Cup: 1970 (lost), 1982 (won), 1994 (lost) and 2006 (won).
    European Championship: 1968 (won), 2000 (lost) and 2012 (lost).

    England?

    World Cup: Sweet FA.
    European Championship: Sweet FA.

    And the 'FA' above does NOT stand for Football Association.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Smarmeron said:

    @CD13

    I never thought Thatcher herself was necessarily racist . Apartheid was a bulwark against a possible massive loss of British investment in S.A..

    Morality or money, they can be difficult concepts for some to balance

    There was no conflict. Why would any sane British PM want to damage our economic interests by disinvesting?

    We have investments in far worse countries than South Africa.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Sean_F
    Money v. morality? To some money is the measure of stature, to others it is morality, I suppose we all make or own decisions.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Smarmeron said:

    @Sean_F
    Money v. morality? To some money is the measure of stature, to others it is morality, I suppose we all make or own decisions.

    We wouldn't invest anywhere outside Western Europe and North America if we expected our trading partners to share our morals.

  • Ninoinoz said:

    I don't know why we're so scared of playing Italy at the World Cup. They are ranked only one place ahead of us in the FIFA rankings (9th v. 10th).

    It is time to out myself. I am an Italian born in London in 1967.

    Number of finals Italy has reached in my lifetime?

    World Cup: 1970 (lost), 1982 (won), 1994 (lost) and 2006 (won).
    European Championship: 1968 (won), 2000 (lost) and 2012 (lost).

    England?

    World Cup: Sweet FA.
    European Championship: Sweet FA.

    And the 'FA' above does NOT stand for Football Association.
    Well, if you were born a year earlier you could have listed 1966 :)
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited December 2013
    Well it made me laugh. :)
    Telegraph - Friends: The One Where the Dog Leads
    'The Tories' no-nonsense Aussie strategist delivers his verdict on the Autumn Statement, in the latest episode of our political sitcom'
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Lots of local MPs in local shops for local people in my timeline today.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Sean_F said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @Sean_F
    Money v. morality? To some money is the measure of stature, to others it is morality, I suppose we all make or own decisions.

    We wouldn't invest anywhere outside Western Europe and North America if we expected our trading partners to share our morals.
    Indeed. We give International Aid to countries with different moral codes, so accepting that we trade with similar is hardly a great leap.

  • Carola said:

    Lots of local MPs in local shops for local people in my timeline today.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p006vm6j
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOtpgz4L5d8
    Carola said:

    Lots of local MPs in local shops for local people in my timeline today.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Beat me to it!

    Carola said:

    Lots of local MPs in local shops for local people in my timeline today.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p006vm6j
  • compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited December 2013
    Hilarious....he sets up a photoshoot of him buying lamb chops under the guise of supporting small businesses. What a tit.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @oflynnexpress My long-running forecast that Miliband will replace Balls with Darling next autumn has a new backer, Peter Oborne http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100249439/why-labour-needs-alistair-darling-to-replace-ed-balls-before-the-next-election/

    And another one...
    Mr Balls isn’t working, yet there’s a dearth of alternatives. Rachel Reeves is talented, but young; she needs time to work on her charm. There is only one good candidate. Once the Scottish referendum is over next autumn, Alistair Darling will be free. If Mr Balls is still floundering by then, and odds are he will be, Ed Miliband should do everything he can to lure the solid, trustworthy, likeable ex-Chancellor back.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article3942364.ece
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Hilarious....he sets up a photoshoot of him buying lamb chops under the guise of supporting small businesses. What a tit.


    So,I expect miliband was out today with his own photoshoot,stop being a tit.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042

    Hilarious....he sets up a photoshoot of him buying lamb chops under the guise of supporting small businesses. What a tit.


    So,I expect miliband was out today with his own photoshoot,stop being a tit.
    The real travesty is that the press bothered going and writing a story about this.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453


    So,I expect miliband was out today with his own photoshoot,stop being a tit.

    Surely not...

    @oflynnexpress: An amazing number of Lab MPs have today decided to tweet pics of themselves with local independent traders. Am choking up. #socaring
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOtpgz4L5d8

    Carola said:

    Lots of local MPs in local shops for local people in my timeline today.
    Yeah love it. I knew one of the guys who wrote it, back in the day. We used to write stuff together/bounce ideas off each other etc. Then he moved down to London - I decided to stay up in Leeds and do a PGCE. Ah, life's missed opportunities :)
  • compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited December 2013
    I will see if I can find Red Ed with a number of cameras in his local bakers buying the white basics medium.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    I will see if I can find Red Ed with a number of cameras in his local bakers buying the white basics medium.

    He will never surpass that Gregg's moment...
  • compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited December 2013
    tim said:

    Jeans and leather shoes he wears with his suit, not a good look.

    I like the way he always gets them to wait outside to catch him in his casual wear. Though it doesn't beat his going for a private dinner with the missus to celebrate his birthday.....with the dozens of photographers he invited along to take pictures. That was pure Cameroon.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9597811/David-Cameron-celebrates-46th-with-Samantha-and-a-Balti.html
  • Scott_P said:

    I will see if I can find Red Ed with a number of cameras in his local bakers buying the white basics medium.

    He will never surpass that Gregg's moment...
    Or the Leeds station pasty?
  • Hilarious....he sets up a photoshoot of him buying lamb chops under the guise of supporting small businesses. What a tit.
    Is that really the most that you can find to comment on? PM buys chops, talks to local businessman on local businessman day, wears leather shoes, is a Tory - it's an outrage I tell you.

    And all on a day when no single Labour politician has been photographed talking to a local businessman.

    Oh wait .....
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited December 2013
    Ed miliband and his photoshoot.


    twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/409292373504425984/photo/1
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    What have I started?

    Anyhow, there is a Co-op next door to the shop which is probably dearer.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited December 2013
    Yes, Ed would never get the press along to photograph him buying stuff...

    @labourpress: RT @Ed_Miliband: Just bought Christmas presents for Daniel and Sam at The Bookseller Crow. #SmallBizSatUK twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/409292373504425984/photo/1
  • Scott_P said:

    I will see if I can find Red Ed with a number of cameras in his local bakers buying the white basics medium.

    He will never surpass that Gregg's moment...
    "So err....can someone ask my butler what I do with this?".

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article775374.ece/BINARY/Chancellor+of+the+Exchequer+George+Osborne+tucking+into+a+Cornish+pasty
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @ChukaUmunna: .@Ed_Miliband shopping at Papagaio toy shop for his sons in Crystal Palace #SmallBizSatUK twitpic.com/dnvkd8
  • hucks67hucks67 Posts: 758
    The Tories have lost about 4 million votes since 1992 and I cannot see them getting them back, if UKIP are still active. If UKIP were to disband, it is possible the Tories would obtain enough of their votes, to win a small majority. I can't see this happening. The other big problem for the Tories is the 30% of 2010 Lib Dem votes that might go to Labour. The Tories could do with the Lib Dems recovering a bit.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    edited December 2013

    tim said:

    The bottom line there is that Thatcher regarded the organisation representing the vast majority of the South African population whose armed wing deliberately avoided targeting civilians for thirty years as a terrorist organisation, while regarding the representatives of 10% of the population which deliberately targeted civilians for thirty years as its legitimate govt.

    This is a particularly sophistical argument from a Labour supporter. Let us not forget that according to the definition of terrorism enacted by the Labour party in 2000, there is no doubt that the ANC were a terrorist organisation.
    The ANC were a terrorist organisation in the USA until 2008.....

    What attacks did they mount in the US?
    Didn't George Washington lead organised armed attacks on the King's forces ? Presumably he was a terrorist too ?
  • GeoffM said:

    AndyJS said:

    I would probably vote for Nick if I lived in Broxtowe, even though I disagree with him on a lot of policy issues.

    As an MP Nick personally, and his government as a whole, brought the UK to its knees. They should all be hanging from lampposts, not up for election again. To think that there are some people willing to vote for them again in living memory says a lot for how thick the average person really is.

    (Not you AndyJS - from your posts I'm assuming you're more intelligent than that and are just being nice to NPxMP because he is in the room, so to speak)

    If Ed wins as expected in 2015 the resulting disaster will destroy socialism for a generation.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Ed and his photoshoot.

    https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband
  • "Oh Gosh luv, what are all those cameramen doing here? I thought we were an ordinary couple having our ordinary three day holiday in Cornwall before we go off abroad for our real holiday".

    https://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/8/21/1313933887268/David-samantha-Cameron--C-006.jpg
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Any polls tonight ?
  • Ed and his photoshoot.

    https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband

    He just cannot carry it if like Ordinary Dave. No cameras waiting for him to walk in showing the casual look. No camera behind the counter showing him paying. No cameras waiting for him to walk out, still looking casual.....poor show.

  • surbiton said:

    Any polls tonight ?

    Who needs polls when we've got classy commenters posting months' old holiday photos?
  • Hilarious....he sets up a photoshoot of him buying lamb chops under the guise of supporting small businesses. What a tit.
    Is that really the most that you can find to comment on? PM buys chops, talks to local businessman on local businessman day, wears leather shoes, is a Tory - it's an outrage I tell you.

    And all on a day when no single Labour politician has been photographed talking to a local businessman.

    Oh wait .....
    What do you mean, I am helping the PB Hodges keep their mind off the opinion polls after the storming success the AS was.
  • Rumour doing the rounds that West Brom have sacked Steve Clarke.

    If true they must be mad, I would love him at Chelsea in place of Mourinho.
  • surbiton said:

    Any polls tonight ?

    Don't mention the polls. They don't matter, they are wrong, it's not what Lynton has heard on the street, Dan has been told there is one in the marginals that shows the Tory Party 10% up, there is 17 months to go.....so don't mention the polls (unless it shows a big swing to the Tory Party then we can dissect them to death).
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited December 2013

    surbiton said:

    Any polls tonight ?

    Don't mention the polls. They don't matter, they are wrong, it's not what Lynton has heard on the street, Dan has been told there is one in the marginals that shows the Tory Party 10% up, there is 17 months to go.....so don't mention the polls (unless it shows a big swing to the Tory Party then we can dissect them to death).
    You really are embarrassing yourself tonight.

  • surbiton said:

    Any polls tonight ?

    Don't mention the polls. They don't matter, they are wrong, it's not what Lynton has heard on the street, Dan has been told there is one in the marginals that shows the Tory Party 10% up, there is 17 months to go.....so don't mention the polls (unless it shows a big swing to the Tory Party then we can dissect them to death).
    You really are embarrassing your self tonight.

    Possibly...thanks for pointing it out.
  • compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited December 2013
    Apart from the Yougov, are there any other polls due tonight? TSE?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Smarmeron said:

    @CD13

    I never thought Thatcher herself was necessarily racist . Apartheid was a bulwark against a possible massive loss of British investment in S.A..

    Morality or money, they can be difficult concepts for some to balance

    A number of ex Labour Mp's are proof of that.
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  • How childish is all this? Who cares what a politician looks like or where he comes from' what school he went to?

    It's whether he is competent that matters, and Osborne looks a genius the way he has handled the recovery.

    Inverted snobbery is thoroughly depressing.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    New Labour big-hitters Alastair Campbell and Alan Milburn, as well as a batch of other advisers from the Tony Blair and Gordon Brown eras, are to make a dramatic return to Ed Miliband's general election team, according to a top-secret memo obtained by the Observer.

    The document – Proposed General Election 2015 Meeting Structure – drawn up in the office of Douglas Alexander, chair of campaign strategy, will infuriate many on the party's left, who believed that Miliband had moved on from New Labour's approaches to campaigning and policy.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/07/secret-memo-blairites-labour-election-alastair-campbell-alan-milburn-ed-miliband
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Floater

    And bankers, pharmaceutical companies,Tories, Libdems shoplifters,.....etc,
  • I see tim is still flogging his dead horse about South Africa rather than admit that Thatcher was proved right.

    But of course we know that tim has feelings of personal guilt over the whole racism and segregation issue.

    Incidentally I heard what I assumed to be a Pole describe Mandela today as a "bloody commie terrorist who should have been hanged".
  • How childish is all this? Who cares what a politician looks like or where he comes from' what school he went to?

    It's whether he is competent that matters, and Osborne looks a genius the way he has handled the recovery.

    Inverted snobbery is thoroughly depressing.
    That is two words you do not see very often together in a sentence "Osborne" and "genius" (except on here with the PB Hodges). Amazing really, it is not like he is a vote loser or something.....reminds me of a header on here not far back.
  • I see tim is still flogging his dead horse about South Africa rather than admit that Thatcher was proved right.

    But of course we know that tim has feelings of personal guilt over the whole racism and segregation issue.

    Incidentally I heard what I assumed to be a Pole describe Mandela today as a "bloody commie terrorist who should have been hanged".

    Or to call someone a terrorist just because you want them to be...
  • tim said:

    Osbornes economic policy in a tweet.

    @afneil: House prices are currently rising 10 times faster than average earnings.

    How much did house prices rise between 1997-2007, Gordon's golden years?

    The difference then was that if you could spell your name correctly on the form you could get a further advance to fuel the purchase of cars, new TV's and holidays to Benidorm. That's the difference now, people can't get a new credit card to cheer themselves up so the Feelgood factor has not come back.

    Check out house price crashes since the 70's run in seven year cycles. The market collapses' eventually plateaus and around seven years later they take off again. Clever people know this, obviously you don't.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2013
    Large numbers of flights still being cancelled or delayed at Heathrow.

    Not great for the UK's reputation with foreign travellers:

    http://www.heathrowairport.com/flight-information/live-flight-departures
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    hucks67 said:

    The Tories have lost about 4 million votes since 1992 and I cannot see them getting them back, if UKIP are still active. If UKIP were to disband, it is possible the Tories would obtain enough of their votes, to win a small majority. I can't see this happening. The other big problem for the Tories is the 30% of 2010 Lib Dem votes that might go to Labour. The Tories could do with the Lib Dems recovering a bit.

    Interesting that UKIP are picking up a lot of votes from people who would otherwise not vote at all, which is at least a good thing from the point of view of turnout.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    surbiton said:

    tim said:

    The bottom line there is that Thatcher regarded the organisation representing the vast majority of the South African population whose armed wing deliberately avoided targeting civilians for thirty years as a terrorist organisation, while regarding the representatives of 10% of the population which deliberately targeted civilians for thirty years as its legitimate govt.

    This is a particularly sophistical argument from a Labour supporter. Let us not forget that according to the definition of terrorism enacted by the Labour party in 2000, there is no doubt that the ANC were a terrorist organisation.
    The ANC were a terrorist organisation in the USA until 2008.....

    What attacks did they mount in the US?
    Didn't George Washington lead organised armed attacks on the King's forces ? Presumably he was a terrorist too ?
    The only difference between traitors and heroes is who wins
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited December 2013
    "William Jones @Just_Will_I_am

    I can announce Wythenshawe & Sale East #LibDems have selected me as their PPC for 2015."


    twitter.com/Just_Will_I_am/status/409427942205173760
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    tim said:

    UKIP racism shocker, which will appeal to a lot of Mail readers

    @hendopolis: MAIL ON SUNDAY:'Send them all back home' #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers http://t.co/XnIcYxmoc8

    And a lot of labour voters.

  • AndyJS said:

    hucks67 said:

    The Tories have lost about 4 million votes since 1992 and I cannot see them getting them back, if UKIP are still active. If UKIP were to disband, it is possible the Tories would obtain enough of their votes, to win a small majority. I can't see this happening. The other big problem for the Tories is the 30% of 2010 Lib Dem votes that might go to Labour. The Tories could do with the Lib Dems recovering a bit.

    Interesting that UKIP are picking up a lot of votes from people who would otherwise not vote at all, which is at least a good thing from the point of view of turnout.
    The problem with that is what they are,the people who don't usually vote, so they will need a barnstormer of a campaign from UKIP to do so, or they will revert to the norm. Either a barnstorming UKIP campaign or for the Tory Party to bang on about immigration....oh wait there.
  • How childish is all this? Who cares what a politician looks like or where he comes from' what school he went to?

    It's whether he is competent that matters, and Osborne looks a genius the way he has handled the recovery.

    Inverted snobbery is thoroughly depressing.
    That is two words you do not see very often together in a sentence "Osborne" and "genius" (except on here with the PB Hodges). Amazing really, it is not like he is a vote loser or something.....reminds me of a header on here not far back.
    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the #SameOldLabour
  • Just wanted to thank @Carola, @Sunil_Prasannan and @old_labour for the League of Gentlemen links. ROFL at 'We didn't burn him!' :D
  • surbiton said:

    Didn't George Washington lead organised armed attacks on the King's forces ? Presumably he was a terrorist too ?

    According to the definition of terrorism enacted by Labour in 2000, Washington was a terrorist during the American Revolutionary War. As Mr Justice Ouseley recently noted, it is lucky that section 1 of the Terrorism Act 2000 was not in force during the Second World War, as it likely would have applied to the French Resistance.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "'It's a very tragic situation': Nigel Farage's sadness after death of the pilot who threatened to kill him after election day plane crash":

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519753/Pilot-threatened-kill-UKIP-leader-Nigel-Farage-election-day-plane-crash-dead.html
  • How childish is all this? Who cares what a politician looks like or where he comes from' what school he went to?

    It's whether he is competent that matters, and Osborne looks a genius the way he has handled the recovery.

    Inverted snobbery is thoroughly depressing.
    That is two words you do not see very often together in a sentence "Osborne" and "genius" (except on here with the PB Hodges). Amazing really, it is not like he is a vote loser or something.....reminds me of a header on here not far back.
    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.
    It's how you define the country back on track. If you define it as a small minority feeing the benefits of an economic upturn whilst the vast majority of people have not...well yes, he has succeeded in doing that.

    I wouldn't call that putting thee country back on track.

    Ask yourself this, if the country was back on track, why is the Labour lead increasing and Osbornes name a drag on Tory policy positivity and party percentage figures?
  • surbiton said:

    Didn't George Washington lead organised armed attacks on the King's forces ? Presumably he was a terrorist too ?

    According to the definition of terrorism enacted by Labour in 2000, Washington was a terrorist during the American Revolutionary War. As Mr Justice Ouseley recently noted, it is lucky that section 1 of the Terrorism Act 2000 was not in force during the Second World War, as it likely would have applied to the French Resistance.
    And I guess during the 70s and 80s Britain would been within its rights to bomb the Irish quarters of New York, Boston and Chicago?

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,471
    It's Saturday night and we're down to bickering about politicians doing photo calls, so I thought I'd go way off-topic.

    As some of you may have gathered, I've been loosely following the technology side of the energy industry for some time, looking at how things work and the advantages and disadvantages of the various techs from a firmly amateur pov. In doing this, I come across no end of shysters willing to part idiots from their money, claiming to have a new (often zero-point) energy source.

    One of these way-out-there energy sources was developed by an Italian, Andrea Rossi, and his E-Cat claims to be a cheap, safe and efficient energy source. Which sounds great until you realise that he won't tell anyone how it works, or let anyone test it independently. This put him straight into conman territory.

    However, results are coming through from some tests that are far from independent but are intriguing if correct:
    http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/171660-1-megawatt-cold-fusion-power-plant-now-available-yours-for-just-1-5-million

    And the paper itself:
    http://www.elforsk.se/Global/Aktuellt/Artikel Arxiv 1305 3913.pdf

    This is still firmly at the b/s stage - I'd give it a tiny chance of being a real effect, and and even smaller chance of being a real effect that is exploitable. But if it is b/s, then Rossi is a cleverer and more persistent conman than most.

    It also fails the basic economic argument: if the tech works as he claims, he should be able to connect it to the grid and generate enough power and money to build other devices. Instead, he's been looking for investors for years.

    However if this (or the Skunkworks high-beta fusion device) really works, then the world is going to change, fast. Energy prices will drop and undertakers will be kept busy dealing with energy companies executives.

    Does Ed know something we don't? ... ;-)
  • NextNext Posts: 826
    edited December 2013

    How childish is all this? Who cares what a politician looks like or where he comes from' what school he went to?

    It's whether he is competent that matters, and Osborne looks a genius the way he has handled the recovery.

    Inverted snobbery is thoroughly depressing.
    That is two words you do not see very often together in a sentence "Osborne" and "genius" (except on here with the PB Hodges). Amazing really, it is not like he is a vote loser or something.....reminds me of a header on here not far back.
    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.
    Ask yourself this, if the country was back on track, why is the Labour lead increasing and Osbornes name a drag on Tory policy positivity and party percentage figures?
    Because Labour are great at smearing the difficult job the Conservatives have had to do, but terrible at running the country.

    It's easy to be populist. Hard to do the right thing.
  • surbiton said:

    Didn't George Washington lead organised armed attacks on the King's forces ? Presumably he was a terrorist too ?

    According to the definition of terrorism enacted by Labour in 2000, Washington was a terrorist during the American Revolutionary War. As Mr Justice Ouseley recently noted, it is lucky that section 1 of the Terrorism Act 2000 was not in force during the Second World War, as it likely would have applied to the French Resistance.
    Or the Kreisau Circle?
  • How childish is all this? Who cares what a politician looks like or where he comes from' what school he went to?

    It's whether he is competent that matters, and Osborne looks a genius the way he has handled the recovery.

    Inverted snobbery is thoroughly depressing.
    That is two words you do not see very often together in a sentence "Osborne" and "genius" (except on here with the PB Hodges). Amazing really, it is not like he is a vote loser or something.....reminds me of a header on here not far back.
    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.
    It's how you define the country back on track. If you define it as a small minority feeing the benefits of an economic upturn whilst the vast majority of people have not...well yes, he has succeeded in doing that.

    I wouldn't call that putting thee country back on track.

    Ask yourself this, if the country was back on track, why is the Labour lead increasing and Osbornes name a drag on Tory policy positivity and party percentage figures?
    Quite simply the Tories are not liked, I don't like the leadership. But then I detest all the liberal elite politicians including Miliband, Balls and Clegg.

    As someone who has based all his recent posts on the smug arrogance that Ed will walk the election because the polls are in his favour you obviously believe in stats. So tell me why you think the economy is not in recovery when all the stats say they are.

    I'll give you a clue, the answer is in one of my posts below.

    Also, what do you think GO should do differently? What are the Labour policies on this"
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    tim said:

    tim said:

    UKIP racism shocker, which will appeal to a lot of Mail readers

    @hendopolis: MAIL ON SUNDAY:'Send them all back home' #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers http://t.co/XnIcYxmoc8

    And a lot of labour voters.

    Last YouGov had UKIP with 22% of 2010 Tories and 4% of 2010 Labour voters.
    And Toxic supporters are ranking immigration above the economy, Lab and Lib Dems have much lower immigration salience.
    Last MORI issues index had
    Con 52
    Lab 25
    LD 15 on the issue.

    How many UKIP voters are put off by this sort of thing is an interesting discussion.

    Which racist party grew under 13 years of a labour government and in many labour area's,3 letters - BNP.
  • How childish is all this? Who cares what a politician looks like or where he comes from' what school he went to?

    It's whether he is competent that matters, and Osborne looks a genius the way he has handled the recovery.

    Inverted snobbery is thoroughly depressing.
    That is two words you do not see very often together in a sentence "Osborne" and "genius" (except on here with the PB Hodges). Amazing really, it is not like he is a vote loser or something.....reminds me of a header on here not far back.
    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.
    It's how you define the country back on track. If you define it as a small minority feeing the benefits of an economic upturn whilst the vast majority of people have not...well yes, he has succeeded in doing that.

    I wouldn't call that putting thee country back on track.

    Ask yourself this, if the country was back on track, why is the Labour lead increasing and Osbornes name a drag on Tory policy positivity and party percentage figures?
    Quite simply the Tories are not liked, I don't like the leadership. But then I detest all the liberal elite politicians including Miliband, Balls and Clegg.

    As someone who has based all his recent posts on the smug arrogance that Ed will walk the election because the polls are in his favour you obviously believe in stats. So tell me why you think the economy is not in recovery when all the stats say they are.

    I'll give you a clue, the answer is in one of my posts below.

    Also, what do you think GO should do differently? What are the Labour policies on this"
    Can you please point me to a post where I said Ed will walk it?
  • How childish is all this? Who cares what a politician looks like or where he comes from' what school he went to?

    It's whether he is competent that matters, and Osborne looks a genius the way he has handled the recovery.

    Inverted snobbery is thoroughly depressing.
    That is two words you do not see very often together in a sentence "Osborne" and "genius" (except on here with the PB Hodges). Amazing really, it is not like he is a vote loser or something.....reminds me of a header on here not far back.
    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.
    It's how you define the country back on track. If you define it as a small minority feeing the benefits of an economic upturn whilst the vast majority of people have not...well yes, he has succeeded in doing that.

    I wouldn't call that putting thee country back on track.

    Ask yourself this, if the country was back on track, why is the Labour lead increasing and Osbornes name a drag on Tory policy positivity and party percentage figures?
    Quite simply the Tories are not liked, I don't like the leadership. But then I detest all the liberal elite politicians including Miliband, Balls and Clegg.

    As someone who has based all his recent posts on the smug arrogance that Ed will walk the election because the polls are in his favour you obviously believe in stats. So tell me why you think the economy is not in recovery when all the stats say they are.

    I'll give you a clue, the answer is in one of my posts below.

    Also, what do you think GO should do differently? What are the Labour policies on this"
    Can you please point me to a post where I said Ed will walk it?
    Sure. All of your arrogant posts over the last couple of weeks.

    Now don't try to change the point, just answer my questions.

    While you are about it, why don't you tell us how well education and the NHS are performing in Wales?
  • N 4 E - "So tell me why you think the economy is not in recovery". I can point you to a line from my post below. ". If you define it as a small minority feeing the benefits of an economic upturn "....please note the words economic upturn.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,025
    Well I promised an economic report from the Metro Centre arising from our annual pre-Christmas shopping trip. Last year I thought that the Metro Centre was as bad as I had ever seen it with a record number of empty units, very quiet restaurants and modest footfall. It really was the worst ever...until this year.

    This year there are even more empty units, the restaurants are almost as quiet and the centre was very far from crowded today. We were assured by some assistants that it was very much busier last weekend which is consistent with us being unable to get hotel rooms then but even so.

    It is, in my opinion, a very good example of how far the economy has got to go before the growth and other benefits trumpeted by Osborne show up in the real world. Retail is still seriously depressed, there is no getting away from it. If the feelgood factor is another phrase for shopping it is absent.

    Curiously one positive sign that I did not see last year is that a few shops are advertising for staff and the owners are building a further Mall which is investment of a sort. So there are some signs for hope. And a very, very long way to go.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    How childish is all this? Who cares what a politician looks like or where he comes from' what school he went to?

    It's whether he is competent that matters, and Osborne looks a genius the way he has handled the recovery.

    Inverted snobbery is thoroughly depressing.
    That is two words you do not see very often together in a sentence "Osborne" and "genius" (except on here with the PB Hodges). Amazing really, it is not like he is a vote loser or something.....reminds me of a header on here not far back.
    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.
    It's how you define the country back on track. If you define it as a small minority feeing the benefits of an economic upturn whilst the vast majority of people have not...well yes, he has succeeded in doing that.

    I wouldn't call that putting thee country back on track.

    Ask yourself this, if the country was back on track, why is the Labour lead increasing and Osbornes name a drag on Tory policy positivity and party percentage figures?
    Quite simply the Tories are not liked, I don't like the leadership. But then I detest all the liberal elite politicians including Miliband, Balls and Clegg.

    As someone who has based all his recent posts on the smug arrogance that Ed will walk the election because the polls are in his favour you obviously believe in stats. So tell me why you think the economy is not in recovery when all the stats say they are.

    I'll give you a clue, the answer is in one of my posts below.

    Also, what do you think GO should do differently? What are the Labour policies on this"
    Nigel,please don't ask difficult Questions ;-)


  • How childish is all this? Who cares what a politician looks like or where he comes from' what school he went to?

    It's whether he is competent that matters, and Osborne looks a genius the way he has handled the recovery.

    Inverted snobbery is thoroughly depressing.
    That is two words you do not see very often together in a sentence "Osborne" and "genius" (except on here with the PB Hodges). Amazing really, it is not like he is a vote loser or something.....reminds me of a header on here not far back.
    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.
    It's how you define the country back on track. If you define it as a small minority feeing the benefits of an economic upturn whilst the vast majority of people have not...well yes, he has succeeded in doing that.

    I wouldn't call that putting thee country back on track.

    Ask yourself this, if the country was back on track, why is the Labour lead increasing and Osbornes name a drag on Tory policy positivity and party percentage figures?
    Quite simply the Tories are not liked, I don't like the leadership. But then I detest all the liberal elite politicians including Miliband, Balls and Clegg.

    As someone who has based all his recent posts on the smug arrogance that Ed will walk the election because the polls are in his favour you obviously believe in stats. So tell me why you think the economy is not in recovery when all the stats say they are.

    I'll give you a clue, the answer is in one of my posts below.

    Also, what do you think GO should do differently? What are the Labour policies on this"
    Can you please point me to a post where I said Ed will walk it?
    Sure. All of your arrogant posts over the last couple of weeks.

    Now don't try to change the point, just answer my questions.

    While you are about it, why don't you tell us how well education and the NHS are performing in Wales?
    So you cannot point me to a single post where I say Ed will walk it...no?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
  • N 4 E - "So tell me why you think the economy is not in recovery". I can point you to a line from my post below. ". If you define it as a small minority feeing the benefits of an economic upturn "....please note the words economic upturn.

    Answer my questions, basically put up or shut up.
  • So you asked why I thought there was no recovery, and I showed you a line from my post below stating there is an economic upturn. I asked you to show me a post where I said Ed would walk it and you provided nothing.... and then say ...put up or shut up.

    Classic.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
  • How childish is all this? Who cares what a politician looks like or where he comes from' what school he went to?

    It's whether he is competent that matters, and Osborne looks a genius the way he has handled the recovery.

    Inverted snobbery is thoroughly depressing.
    That is two words you do not see very often together in a sentence "Osborne" and "genius" (except on here with the PB Hodges). Amazing really, it is not like he is a vote loser or something.....reminds me of a header on here not far back.
    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.
    It's how you define the country back on track. If you define it as a small minority feeing the benefits of an economic upturn whilst the vast majority of people have not...well yes, he has succeeded in doing that.

    I wouldn't call that putting thee country back on track.

    Ask yourself this, if the country was back on track, why is the Labour lead increasing and Osbornes name a drag on Tory policy positivity and party percentage figures?
    Quite simply the Tories are not liked, I don't like the leadership. But then I detest all the liberal elite politicians including Miliband, Balls and Clegg.

    As someone who has based all his recent posts on the smug arrogance that Ed will walk the election because the polls are in his favour you obviously believe in stats. So tell me why you think the economy is not in recovery when all the stats say they are.

    I'll give you a clue, the answer is in one of my posts below.

    Also, what do you think GO should do differently? What are the Labour policies on this"
    Can you please point me to a post where I said Ed will walk it?
    Sure. All of your arrogant posts over the last couple of weeks.

    Now don't try to change the point, just answer my questions.

    While you are about it, why don't you tell us how well education and the NHS are performing in Wales?
    So you cannot point me to a single post where I say Ed will walk it...no?
    Every post on here recently implies this and it is very boring, I will concede that you may not have said it directlythough.

    Now that is out of the way will you answer my questions please.

    Tim can help with the Wales question if it is too difficult for you.
  • How childish is all this? Who cares what a politician looks like or where he comes from' what school he went to?

    It's whether he is competent that matters, and Osborne looks a genius the way he has handled the recovery.

    Inverted snobbery is thoroughly depressing.
    That is two words you do not see very often together in a sentence "Osborne" and "genius" (except on here with the PB Hodges). Amazing really, it is not like he is a vote loser or something.....reminds me of a header on here not far back.
    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.
    It's how you define the country back on track. If you define it as a small minority feeing the benefits of an economic upturn whilst the vast majority of people have not...well yes, he has succeeded in doing that.

    I wouldn't call that putting thee country back on track.

    Ask yourself this, if the country was back on track, why is the Labour lead increasing and Osbornes name a drag on Tory policy positivity and party percentage figures?
    Quite simply the Tories are not liked, I don't like the leadership. But then I detest all the liberal elite politicians including Miliband, Balls and Clegg.

    As someone who has based all his recent posts on the smug arrogance that Ed will walk the election because the polls are in his favour you obviously believe in stats. So tell me why you think the economy is not in recovery when all the stats say they are.

    I'll give you a clue, the answer is in one of my posts below.

    Also, what do you think GO should do differently? What are the Labour policies on this"
    Can you please point me to a post where I said Ed will walk it?
    Sure. All of your arrogant posts over the last couple of weeks.

    Now don't try to change the point, just answer my questions.

    While you are about it, why don't you tell us how well education and the NHS are performing in Wales?
    So you cannot point me to a single post where I say Ed will walk it...no?
    Every post on here recently implies this and it is very boring, I will concede that you may not have said it directlythough.

    Now that is out of the way will you answer my questions please.

    Tim can help with the Wales question if it is too difficult for you.
    Can you show me any post recently that I have implied Ed will walk it?
  • Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
  • So you asked why I thought there was no recovery, and I showed you a line from my post below stating there is an economic upturn. I asked you to show me a post where I said Ed would walk it and you provided nothing.... and then say ...put up or shut up.

    Classic.

    What is Classic is the smoke screens you are throwing up to avoid answering my questions.

    Now either answer them or lose any semblance of credibility you may have had.
  • So you asked why I thought there was no recovery, and I showed you a line from my post below stating there is an economic upturn. I asked you to show me a post where I said Ed would walk it and you provided nothing.... and then say ...put up or shut up.

    Classic.

    What is Classic is the smoke screens you are throwing up to avoid answering my questions.

    Now either answer them or lose any semblance of credibility you may have had.
    If people don't want to answer questions than that is their choice.

  • compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited December 2013
    I answered your question on the recovery and provided you with a line from a post below. I have still to be provided with the proof of me stating or even implying Ed would walk it.

    "semblance of credibility"....it's a fcuking messageboard on the internet for Christ sake. If you gain credibility from a messageboard on the internet, you need to have a serious word with yourself.
  • Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
    I assume that you are in favour of the re-introduction of secondary moderns for the 75% that don't make the grammar school.

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
    I assume that you are in favour of the re-introduction of secondary moderns for the 75% that don't make the grammar school.

    Don't answer nigel :-)
  • Floater said:

    Scott_P said:

    @CCHQPress: Tomorrow's Observer splash reveals that weak @Ed_Miliband is bringing back @campbellclaret. It is *literally* the #SameOldLabour

    didn't Ed Milliband talk about a new type of politics?

    More BS from Labour then.
    Could this backfire on ed ?


    It's very revealing of EdM's lack of faith in his own people that he feels the need to employ a dodgy , discredited but competent propagandist like Campbell.

  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805

    Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
    I assume that you are in favour of the re-introduction of secondary moderns for the 75% that don't make the grammar school.

    There's a story on the Times fp - can't read the detail - saying that Wilshaw is going to announce a 'blueprint' based on the Chinese education system.
  • Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
    I assume that you are in favour of the re-introduction of secondary moderns for the 75% that don't make the grammar school.

    Yes, they can't be worse than the current comprehensives.
  • compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited December 2013
    The ex-husband who took the video and left for a beauty queen and ....."Mrs Ayling lives with Lord Kevin Couling, who is believed to have bought his title, the 64th Lord of Little Neasden"......you couldn't make it up.
  • Charles said:


    I don't really care if he is a vote loser, I'm not a Tory.

    But in the spirit of fairness it would be supremely churlish to deny he has done an outstanding job in getting the country back on track without creating mass unemployment. Something that according to Balls, Blanchflower and other left wing nutters said could not be done.

    Well he has done it and deserves much credit for doing so.

    The way he has been attacked by the Kinnochios shows that you realise it to.

    I'm curious.

    You think he has done an outstanding job of governing.

    But it's not going to change your vote.

    Can you explain your reasoning?
    Certainly.

    I am a UKIP supporter and whilst I am very happy to give credit where it is due, including Brown keeping us out of the Euro, I will vote for what I truly believe in.

    That includes full withdrawal from the EU and the reinstatement of grammar schools to give bright working class kids a chance.
    I assume that you are in favour of the re-introduction of secondary moderns for the 75% that don't make the grammar school.

    Are you in favour of not giving bright working class kids a chance?
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