This is not a premier anchored to ideology, just one who has what might be termed 'ceteris paribus inclinations' that he is ready to temper given the course of events.
Johnson has long had a nose for what Sir Keith Joseph termed 'the common ground' and had already occupied it on everything from getting Brexit done, to tougher law and order and more generous NHS funding before the Covid-19 crisis erupted. Attempts by left-wing politicians and pundits, mired as they are in minority sensibilities, to depict him as a right-wing extremist are not only doomed to failure but will appear increasingly off-the-wall to normal members of the public.
All good, except Brexit was never the common ground ; quite the opposite. This is an attempt to conflate Johnson's broadly ideologically flexible liberalism, which he's had for many years, with his stance on Brexit, which emerges from somewhere quite different, and something quite different in him.
One thing that is correct, is trying to portray Johnson as a right wing, foaming at the mouth extremist doesn't work.
Remember the hilarious campaign against him on his first run for Mayor - trying too portray him as BNP-lite? Had everyone I knew going WTF??
More recently he has been portrayed as the opposite. Not right wing authoritarian enough, with his limp approach to a lockdown....
Another symptom of BDS?
I honestly think it's more just that whilst Boris is not that complicated in the way he operates, he also doesn't neatly fit into certain boxes the way people wish he would. I mean, I think he's a bit of an arse but no doubt there's evidence out there of him being decent occasionally after all.
Don’t shoot the messenger- I’m just throwing this out there. Has anyone considered actually sitting down and talking with Covid-19? We may be able to reach a negotiated solution.
Appeasement is no solution. He's a dangerous killer, who's enlisting thousands of new supporters every day. Prison's too good for him. He should be hanged.
Anyone have a couple of quadrillion gallows ready to go?
look at this from the EBC BBC Scotland insists it cannot provide health broadcasts in Scotland, for staffing and cost reasons. The Scottish Government provides daily updates. Question, so where is the cost to them in running these?
She was talking about domestic violence and her comments were well made
She is an arse, she should practice what she preaches to the plebs or send helicopters round to everyone so they can chose which one of their other houses/mansions/castles they want to go to , thereby breaking the stay at home message. Your post also highlights what an absolute arse you are.
So highlighting an actual problem and encouraging people to reach out to the societal provisions for dealing with that problem makes you an arse?
There's a big chunk of timber stuck in your eye, friend.
whilst flying about the country with the virus and breaking all the rules the plebs get beat up for, but hey make a crappy speech and it is all right, get up off your belly.
look at this from the EBC BBC Scotland insists it cannot provide health broadcasts in Scotland, for staffing and cost reasons. The Scottish Government provides daily updates. Question, so where is the cost to them in running these?
She was talking about domestic violence and her comments were well made
She is an arse, she should practice what she preaches to the plebs or send helicopters round to everyone so they can chose which one of their other houses/mansions/castles they want to go to , thereby breaking the stay at home message. Your post also highlights what an absolute arse you are.
She is staying at Clarence House herself and she made the speech you attacked, not Charles. The fact you decided to abuse her for making a speech about domestic violence says more about you than me
Don’t shoot the messenger- I’m just throwing this out there. Has anyone considered actually sitting down and talking with Covid-19? We may be able to reach a negotiated solution.
Appeasement is no solution. He's a dangerous killer, who's enlisting thousands of new supporters every day. Prison's too good for him. He should be hanged.
Solitary confinement for the rest of his days.
Then we haven't had to stoop to his level.
(And no opportunities for politicians to lay wreaths...)
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
What’s encouraging about it? Who gives a shit that it is the biggest lead since god knows when I’m not sure why a) they publish them people read them C) anybody thinks it’s relevant
We can hopeful resume Or not petty party politics in 12 months time
It's very encouraging at a time of crisis that the government has the confidence of the people. Long may it last in the UK - we are not quite so fortunate here in Spain but at least where I live people are strongly backing the lockdown.
The polling in Spain has been pretty non-existent recently, but one I saw this week basically had the result at where it was for the last election. In the UK, I think it is very good news that a large majority currently have confidence in the government. If we were divided the kind of collective action needed to combat the emergency would be far harder to undertake. There is plenty of time for normal politics to resume later.
Of course I agree wrt the UK but in Spain the optics atm are not good. There have been quite big failings re test kits, the flight to second homes and the awful care home scandals. In addition the current coalition lacks an overall majority. The health service is buckling in the centre and parts of the north. Catalonia continues being awkward. The EU and European allies have left Italy and Spain out to dry sadly. The Dutch minister's comments at the EU summit have gone down very badly. I still hope we'll pull through and life here in the SE is very calm and compliant. However, this is a very conservative rural zone very unlike the rest of the country. Turbulent times.
The Dutch minister's comments were an absolute disgrace and reminded me that I voted Remain not because I had any affection for the EU but because I thought leaving was a worse idea than staying. There have been failings, as there have in many countries, including this one; and it is politcally very charged in Spain right now, as it has been for a long while. That's why I think a GONU woud be very hard. The real shame is that C's ruled out a coalition with PSOE after April's election. That would have had a solid majority and would have meant no Podemos in power. However, the devolved healthcare systems, the social interaction, the number of people living in flats, etc would still have been there. The one real charge you can lay at the government's feet, I think, is the failure to act decisively sooner. Had it done so, it woud still have been horrific, but undoubtedly less horrific than it is now.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
What’s encouraging about it? Who gives a shit that it is the biggest lead since god knows when I’m not sure why a) they publish them people read them C) anybody thinks it’s relevant
We can hopeful resume Or not petty party politics in 12 months time
It's very encouraging at a time of crisis that the government has the confidence of the people. Long may it last in the UK - we are not quite so fortunate here in Spain but at least where I live people are strongly backing the lockdown.
The polling in Spain has been pretty non-existent recently, but one I saw this week basically had the result at where it was for the last election. In the UK, I think it is very good news that a large majority currently have confidence in the government. If we were divided the kind of collective action needed to combat the emergency would be far harder to undertake. There is plenty of time for normal politics to resume later.
Of course I agree wrt the UK but in Spain the optics atm are not good. There have been quite big failings re test kits, the flight to second homes and the awful care home scandals. In addition the current coalition lacks an overall majority. The health service is buckling in the centre and parts of the north. Catalonia continues being awkward. The EU and European allies have left Italy and Spain out to dry sadly. The Dutch minister's comments at the EU summit have gone down very badly. I still hope we'll pull through and life here in the SE is very calm and compliant. However, this is a very conservative rural zone very unlike the rest of the country. Turbulent times.
The Dutch minister's comments were an absolute disgrace and reminded me that I voted Remain not because I had any affection for the EU but because I thought leaving was a worse idea than staying. There have been failings, as there have in many countries, including this one; and it is politcally very charged in Spain right now, as it has been for a long while. That's why I think a GONU woud be very hard. The real shame is that C's ruled out a coalition with PSOE after April's election. That would have had a solid majority and would have meant no Podemos in power. However, the devolved healthcare systems, the social interaction, the number of people living in flats, etc would still have been there. The one real charge you can lay at the government's feet, I think, is the failure to act decisively sooner. Had it done so, it woud still have been horrific, but undoubtedly less horrific than it is now.
I just pray it returns to some sense of normality as soon as possible, I’ve no chance of any treatment at the moment so attempting to remain calm and stoic.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
What’s encouraging about it? Who gives a shit that it is the biggest lead since god knows when I’m not sure why a) they publish them people read them C) anybody thinks it’s relevant
We can hopeful resume Or not petty party politics in 12 months time
It's very encouraging at a time of crisis that the government has the confidence of the people. Long may it last in the UK - we are not quite so fortunate here in Spain but at least where I live people are strongly backing the lockdown.
The polling in Spain has been pretty non-existent recently, but one I saw this week basically had the result at where it was for the last election. In the UK, I think it is very good news that a large majority currently have confidence in the government. If we were divided the kind of collective action needed to combat the emergency would be far harder to undertake. There is plenty of time for normal politics to resume later.
Of course I agree wrt the UK but in Spain the optics atm are not good. There have been quite big failings re test kits, the flight to second homes and the awful care home scandals. In addition the current coalition lacks an overall majority. The health service is buckling in the centre and parts of the north. Catalonia continues being awkward. The EU and European allies have left Italy and Spain out to dry sadly. The Dutch minister's comments at the EU summit have gone down very badly. I still hope we'll pull through and life here in the SE is very calm and compliant. However, this is a very conservative rural zone very unlike the rest of the country. Turbulent times.
The Dutch minister's comments were an absolute disgrace and reminded me that I voted Remain not because I had any affection for the EU but because I thought leaving was a worse idea than staying. There have been failings, as there have in many countries, including this one; and it is politcally very charged in Spain right now, as it has been for a long while. That's why I think a GONU woud be very hard. The real shame is that C's ruled out a coalition with PSOE after April's election. That would have had a solid majority and would have meant no Podemos in power. However, the devolved healthcare systems, the social interaction, the number of people living in flats, etc would still have been there. The one real charge you can lay at the government's feet, I think, is the failure to act decisively sooner. Had it done so, it woud still have been horrific, but undoubtedly less horrific than it is now.
Current opinion polling is meaningless right now. Johnson's virus opportunity is to present himself as a serious politician tackling a serious problem.
Which he hasn't done much of up to now. The virus neutralises one of his biggest negatives.
With the mess up Boris and Trump made at the start of the crisis, wasted the extra time given them in muddled strategy and communication, this rally round flag bounce feels like when someone has crossed line first in GP, but we all know there was that incident, it’s going to be looked at, and they are going to be severely demoted.
Off the top of my head George Wubulya Bush started at 55 surged to 80 and dropped to 40 during 9/11 rally round.
On the Rally Round the flag in crisis history, do facts get re written. Churchill, world war 2 for example. When people sell Churchill they sell the Great War leader, unfatiguable determination, rousing rhetoric that lifted a nation. I understand when he toured bombed city’s he was roundly boo’d, and then thoroughly stuffed at the polls as soon as GE came along. So that also screws the correct history of the Incoming Labour administration, on the grounds they would have to have made a fantastic connection with voters to have beaten Churchill surely, when the true answer is no, they didn’t. They just were not the unpopular Churchill.
George W Bush was re elected.
Churchill would have won a landslide in a 1940 general election, by July 1945 the war in Europe was won and the Tories had been in power over a decade
Are you saying it’s Impossible for someone to have big rally round surge when their dithering created the scale of the mess? I’m not. 🙂
I’m dealing in facts here not comparing current polling with normal polling but with the rally round surge that comes in crisis. That’s the true comparison. Hence Trumps virtually non movement is very bad for him.
I must have not paid attention at the time, but can someone explain how China prevented this virus from spreading through the rest of the country at the same time it has spread through the rest of the world?
Huge mystery.
Also funeral urn counts suggest 60,000 dead in Wuhan, not 3,000 as claimed.
As they start un-welding all the apartment blocks they imprisoned people in two months ago, they will probably find more than a few bodies inside. Not that anyone will ever know about them.
Some things just cannot be done in a democracy, what happened in Wuhan being close to the top of the list.
I seriously doubt there was significant welding of people into their apartment blocks and leaving them to die, and certainly not as policy.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
What’s encouraging about it? Who gives a shit that it is the biggest lead since god knows when I’m not sure why a) they publish them people read them C) anybody thinks it’s relevant
We can hopeful resume Or not petty party politics in 12 months time
It's very encouraging at a time of crisis that the government has the confidence of the people. Long may it last in the UK - we are not quite so fortunate here in Spain but at least where I live people are strongly backing the lockdown.
The polling in Spain has been pretty non-existent recently, but one I saw this week basically had the result at where it was for the last election. In the UK, I think it is very good news that a large majority currently have confidence in the government. If we were divided the kind of collective action needed to combat the emergency would be far harder to undertake. There is plenty of time for normal politics to resume later.
Of course I agree wrt the UK but in Spain the optics atm are not good. There have been quite big failings re test kits, the flight to second homes and the awful care home scandals. In addition the current coalition lacks an overall majority. The health service is buckling in the centre and parts of the north. Catalonia continues being awkward. The EU and European allies have left Italy and Spain out to dry sadly. The Dutch minister's comments at the EU summit have gone down very badly. I still hope we'll pull through and life here in the SE is very calm and compliant. However, this is a very conservative rural zone very unlike the rest of the country. Turbulent times.
The Dutch minister's comments were an absolute disgrace and reminded me that I voted Remain not because I had any affection for the EU but because I thought leaving was a worse idea than staying. There have been failings, as there have in many countries, including this one; and it is politcally very charged in Spain right now, as it has been for a long while. That's why I think a GONU woud be very hard. The real shame is that C's ruled out a coalition with PSOE after April's election. That would have had a solid majority and would have meant no Podemos in power. However, the devolved healthcare systems, the social interaction, the number of people living in flats, etc would still have been there. The one real charge you can lay at the government's feet, I think, is the failure to act decisively sooner. Had it done so, it woud still have been horrific, but undoubtedly less horrific than it is now.
What did the Dutch minister say?
We're not giving you our credit card, or words to that effect.
I must have not paid attention at the time, but can someone explain how China prevented this virus from spreading through the rest of the country at the same time it has spread through the rest of the world?
Huge mystery.
Also funeral urn counts suggest 60,000 dead in Wuhan, not 3,000 as claimed.
As they start un-welding all the apartment blocks they imprisoned people in two months ago, they will probably find more than a few bodies inside. Not that anyone will ever know about them.
Some things just cannot be done in a democracy, what happened in Wuhan being close to the top of the list.
I seriously doubt there was significant welding of people into their apartment blocks and leaving them to die, and certainly not as policy.
I read that those videos were of apartments being repossessed and secured and nothing to do with the virus.
Dear Dr Foxy, are the garments supposed to be more protective when they are well worn in? Asking for a friend.
I would certainly recommend washing them first...
Slightly disappointing, according to my friend. He prefers them a little more 'spicy'.
Add some turmeric?
Seriously though, is just a scarf or thong better than nothing. Technically common and garden face masks offered no protection anyway? So all we are doing is making a show so those around us feel a bit easier we are not breathing or worse on them?
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
What’s encouraging about it? Who gives a shit that it is the biggest lead since god knows when I’m not sure why a) they publish them people read them C) anybody thinks it’s relevant
We can hopeful resume Or not petty party politics in 12 months time
It's very encouraging at a time of crisis that the government has the confidence of the people. Long may it last in the UK - we are not quite so fortunate here in Spain but at least where I live people are strongly backing the lockdown.
The polling in Spain has been pretty non-existent recently, but one I saw this week basically had the result at where it was for the last election. In the UK, I think it is very good news that a large majority currently have confidence in the government. If we were divided the kind of collective action needed to combat the emergency would be far harder to undertake. There is plenty of time for normal politics to resume later.
Of course I agree wrt the UK but in Spain the optics atm are not good. There have been quite big failings re test kits, the flight to second homes and the awful care home scandals. In addition the current coalition lacks an overall majority. The health service is buckling in the centre and parts of the north. Catalonia continues being awkward. The EU and European allies have left Italy and Spain out to dry sadly. The Dutch minister's comments at the EU summit have gone down very badly. I still hope we'll pull through and life here in the SE is very calm and compliant. However, this is a very conservative rural zone very unlike the rest of the country. Turbulent times.
The Dutch minister's comments were an absolute disgrace and reminded me that I voted Remain not because I had any affection for the EU but because I thought leaving was a worse idea than staying. There have been failings, as there have in many countries, including this one; and it is politcally very charged in Spain right now, as it has been for a long while. That's why I think a GONU woud be very hard. The real shame is that C's ruled out a coalition with PSOE after April's election. That would have had a solid majority and would have meant no Podemos in power. However, the devolved healthcare systems, the social interaction, the number of people living in flats, etc would still have been there. The one real charge you can lay at the government's feet, I think, is the failure to act decisively sooner. Had it done so, it woud still have been horrific, but undoubtedly less horrific than it is now.
I must have not paid attention at the time, but can someone explain how China prevented this virus from spreading through the rest of the country at the same time it has spread through the rest of the world?
Huge mystery.
Also funeral urn counts suggest 60,000 dead in Wuhan, not 3,000 as claimed.
As they start un-welding all the apartment blocks they imprisoned people in two months ago, they will probably find more than a few bodies inside. Not that anyone will ever know about them.
Some things just cannot be done in a democracy, what happened in Wuhan being close to the top of the list.
I seriously doubt there was significant welding of people into their apartment blocks and leaving them to die, and certainly not as policy.
You don't understand how such dictatorial governments think - and this is one that is trying to eliminate an entire culture though re-education camps...
I must have not paid attention at the time, but can someone explain how China prevented this virus from spreading through the rest of the country at the same time it has spread through the rest of the world?
Huge mystery.
Also funeral urn counts suggest 60,000 dead in Wuhan, not 3,000 as claimed.
As they start un-welding all the apartment blocks they imprisoned people in two months ago, they will probably find more than a few bodies inside. Not that anyone will ever know about them.
Some things just cannot be done in a democracy, what happened in Wuhan being close to the top of the list.
I seriously doubt there was significant welding of people into their apartment blocks and leaving them to die, and certainly not as policy.
I read that those videos were of apartments being repossessed and secured and nothing to do with the virus.
A lot of rhe outdoor videos supposedly from Wuhan showed trees full of leaves when it was actually the middle of winter there.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
What’s encouraging about it? Who gives a shit that it is the biggest lead since god knows when I’m not sure why a) they publish them people read them C) anybody thinks it’s relevant
We can hopeful resume Or not petty party politics in 12 months time
It's very encouraging at a time of crisis that the government has the confidence of the people. Long may it last in the UK - we are not quite so fortunate here in Spain but at least where I live people are strongly backing the lockdown.
The polling in Spain has been pretty non-existent recently, but one I saw this week basically had the result at where it was for the last election. In the UK, I think it is very good news that a large majority currently have confidence in the government. If we were divided the kind of collective action needed to combat the emergency would be far harder to undertake. There is plenty of time for normal politics to resume later.
Of course I agree wrt the UK but in Spain the optics atm are not good. There have been quite big failings re test kits, the flight to second homes and the awful care home scandals. In addition the current coalition lacks an overall majority. The health service is buckling in the centre and parts of the north. Catalonia continues being awkward. The EU and European allies have left Italy and Spain out to dry sadly. The Dutch minister's comments at the EU summit have gone down very badly. I still hope we'll pull through and life here in the SE is very calm and compliant. However, this is a very conservative rural zone very unlike the rest of the country. Turbulent times.
The Dutch minister's comments were an absolute disgrace and reminded me that I voted Remain not because I had any affection for the EU but because I thought leaving was a worse idea than staying. There have been failings, as there have in many countries, including this one; and it is politcally very charged in Spain right now, as it has been for a long while. That's why I think a GONU woud be very hard. The real shame is that C's ruled out a coalition with PSOE after April's election. That would have had a solid majority and would have meant no Podemos in power. However, the devolved healthcare systems, the social interaction, the number of people living in flats, etc would still have been there. The one real charge you can lay at the government's feet, I think, is the failure to act decisively sooner. Had it done so, it woud still have been horrific, but undoubtedly less horrific than it is now.
What did the Dutch minister say?
We're not giving you our credit card, or words to that effect.
I must have not paid attention at the time, but can someone explain how China prevented this virus from spreading through the rest of the country at the same time it has spread through the rest of the world?
Huge mystery.
Also funeral urn counts suggest 60,000 dead in Wuhan, not 3,000 as claimed.
As they start un-welding all the apartment blocks they imprisoned people in two months ago, they will probably find more than a few bodies inside. Not that anyone will ever know about them.
Some things just cannot be done in a democracy, what happened in Wuhan being close to the top of the list.
I seriously doubt there was significant welding of people into their apartment blocks and leaving them to die, and certainly not as policy.
I read that those videos were of apartments being repossessed and secured and nothing to do with the virus.
I believe the widespread approach was uses of additional sensors on top of all the usual surveillance systems they have in place to make sure people where obeying the rules. They also placed big speaker system in neighbourhoods, in which they would order things like the time "tower 1" could come out for their walk and when they had to go back inside.
Also, it is a hell of a lot easier to enforce social compliance, when rather than a £30 fine, they have tools like loss of social credit score which can effect your whole life to being sent to a labour camp.
look at this from the EBC BBC Scotland insists it cannot provide health broadcasts in Scotland, for staffing and cost reasons. The Scottish Government provides daily updates. Question, so where is the cost to them in running these?
She was talking about domestic violence and her comments were well made
She is an arse, she should practice what she preaches to the plebs or send helicopters round to everyone so they can chose which one of their other houses/mansions/castles they want to go to , thereby breaking the stay at home message. Your post also highlights what an absolute arse you are.
She is staying at Clarence House herself and she made the speech you attacked, not Charles. The fact you decided to abuse her for making a speech about domestic violence says more about you than me
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
What’s encouraging about it? Who gives a shit that it is the biggest lead since god knows when I’m not sure why a) they publish them people read them C) anybody thinks it’s relevant
We can hopeful resume Or not petty party politics in 12 months time
It's very encouraging at a time of crisis that the government has the confidence of the people. Long may it last in the UK - we are not quite so fortunate here in Spain but at least where I live people are strongly backing the lockdown.
The polling in Spain has been pretty non-existent recently, but one I saw this week basically had the result at where it was for the last election. In the UK, I think it is very good news that a large majority currently have confidence in the government. If we were divided the kind of collective action needed to combat the emergency would be far harder to undertake. There is plenty of time for normal politics to resume later.
Of course I agree wrt the UK but in Spain the optics atm are not good. There have been quite big failings re test kits, the flight to second homes and the awful care home scandals. In addition the current coalition lacks an overall majority. The health service is buckling in the centre and parts of the north. Catalonia continues being awkward. The EU and European allies have left Italy and Spain out to dry sadly. The Dutch minister's comments at the EU summit have gone down very badly. I still hope we'll pull through and life here in the SE is very calm and compliant. However, this is a very conservative rural zone very unlike the rest of the country. Turbulent times.
The Dutch minister's comments were an absolute disgrace and reminded me that I voted Remain not because I had any affection for the EU but because I thought leaving was a worse idea than staying. There have been failings, as there have in many countries, including this one; and it is politcally very charged in Spain right now, as it has been for a long while. That's why I think a GONU woud be very hard. The real shame is that C's ruled out a coalition with PSOE after April's election. That would have had a solid majority and would have meant no Podemos in power. However, the devolved healthcare systems, the social interaction, the number of people living in flats, etc would still have been there. The one real charge you can lay at the government's feet, I think, is the failure to act decisively sooner. Had it done so, it woud still have been horrific, but undoubtedly less horrific than it is now.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
What’s encouraging about it? Who gives a shit that it is the biggest lead since god knows when I’m not sure why a) they publish them people read them C) anybody thinks it’s relevant
We can hopeful resume Or not petty party politics in 12 months time
It's very encouraging at a time of crisis that the government has the confidence of the people. Long may it last in the UK - we are not quite so fortunate here in Spain but at least where I live people are strongly backing the lockdown.
The polling in Spain has been pretty non-existent recently, but one I saw this week basically had the result at where it was for the last election. In the UK, I think it is very good news that a large majority currently have confidence in the government. If we were divided the kind of collective action needed to combat the emergency would be far harder to undertake. There is plenty of time for normal politics to resume later.
Of course I agree wrt the UK but in Spain the optics atm are not good. There have been quite big failings re test kits, the flight to second homes and the awful care home scandals. In addition the current coalition lacks an overall majority. The health service is buckling in the centre and parts of the north. Catalonia continues being awkward. The EU and European allies have left Italy and Spain out to dry sadly. The Dutch minister's comments at the EU summit have gone down very badly. I still hope we'll pull through and life here in the SE is very calm and compliant. However, this is a very conservative rural zone very unlike the rest of the country. Turbulent times.
The Dutch minister's comments were an absolute disgrace and reminded me that I voted Remain not because I had any affection for the EU but because I thought leaving was a worse idea than staying. There have been failings, as there have in many countries, including this one; and it is politcally very charged in Spain right now, as it has been for a long while. That's why I think a GONU woud be very hard. The real shame is that C's ruled out a coalition with PSOE after April's election. That would have had a solid majority and would have meant no Podemos in power. However, the devolved healthcare systems, the social interaction, the number of people living in flats, etc would still have been there. The one real charge you can lay at the government's feet, I think, is the failure to act decisively sooner. Had it done so, it woud still have been horrific, but undoubtedly less horrific than it is now.
I must have not paid attention at the time, but can someone explain how China prevented this virus from spreading through the rest of the country at the same time it has spread through the rest of the world?
Huge mystery.
Also funeral urn counts suggest 60,000 dead in Wuhan, not 3,000 as claimed.
As they start un-welding all the apartment blocks they imprisoned people in two months ago, they will probably find more than a few bodies inside. Not that anyone will ever know about them.
Some things just cannot be done in a democracy, what happened in Wuhan being close to the top of the list.
I seriously doubt there was significant welding of people into their apartment blocks and leaving them to die, and certainly not as policy.
No idea. I do note though from Defoe Journal of the Plague Year that it was the absolutely standard way of dealing with cases, and the most horrific aspect of the whole thing, to seal up houses with known cases and put a watchman on the door to prevent escapes.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
What’s encouraging about it? Who gives a shit that it is the biggest lead since god knows when I’m not sure why a) they publish them people read them C) anybody thinks it’s relevant
We can hopeful resume Or not petty party politics in 12 months time
It's very encouraging at a time of crisis that the government has the confidence of the people. Long may it last in the UK - we are not quite so fortunate here in Spain but at least where I live people are strongly backing the lockdown.
The polling in Spain has been pretty non-existent recently, but one I saw this week basically had the result at where it was for the last election. In the UK, I think it is very good news that a large majority currently have confidence in the government. If we were divided the kind of collective action needed to combat the emergency would be far harder to undertake. There is plenty of time for normal politics to resume later.
Of course I agree wrt the UK but in Spain the optics atm are not good. There have been quite big failings re test kits, the flight to second homes and the awful care home scandals. In addition the current coalition lacks an overall majority. The health service is buckling in the centre and parts of the north. Catalonia continues being awkward. The EU and European allies have left Italy and Spain out to dry sadly. The Dutch minister's comments at the EU summit have gone down very badly. I still hope we'll pull through and life here in the SE is very calm and compliant. However, this is a very conservative rural zone very unlike the rest of the country. Turbulent times.
The Dutch minister's comments were an absolute disgrace and reminded me that I voted Remain not because I had any affection for the EU but because I thought leaving was a worse idea than staying. There have been failings, as there have in many countries, including this one; and it is politcally very charged in Spain right now, as it has been for a long while. That's why I think a GONU woud be very hard. The real shame is that C's ruled out a coalition with PSOE after April's election. That would have had a solid majority and would have meant no Podemos in power. However, the devolved healthcare systems, the social interaction, the number of people living in flats, etc would still have been there. The one real charge you can lay at the government's feet, I think, is the failure to act decisively sooner. Had it done so, it woud still have been horrific, but undoubtedly less horrific than it is now.
What did the Dutch minister say?
We're not giving you our credit card, or words to that effect.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
What’s encouraging about it? Who gives a shit that it is the biggest lead since god knows when I’m not sure why a) they publish them people read them C) anybody thinks it’s relevant
We can hopeful resume Or not petty party politics in 12 months time
It's very encouraging at a time of crisis that the government has the confidence of the people. Long may it last in the UK - we are not quite so fortunate here in Spain but at least where I live people are strongly backing the lockdown.
The polling in Spain has been pretty non-existent recently, but one I saw this week basically had the result at where it was for the last election. In the UK, I think it is very good news that a large majority currently have confidence in the government. If we were divided the kind of collective action needed to combat the emergency would be far harder to undertake. There is plenty of time for normal politics to resume later.
Of course I agree wrt the UK but in Spain the optics atm are not good. There have been quite big failings re test kits, the flight to second homes and the awful care home scandals. In addition the current coalition lacks an overall majority. The health service is buckling in the centre and parts of the north. Catalonia continues being awkward. The EU and European allies have left Italy and Spain out to dry sadly. The Dutch minister's comments at the EU summit have gone down very badly. I still hope we'll pull through and life here in the SE is very calm and compliant. However, this is a very conservative rural zone very unlike the rest of the country. Turbulent times.
The Dutch minister's comments were an absolute disgrace and reminded me that I voted Remain not because I had any affection for the EU but because I thought leaving was a worse idea than staying. There have been failings, as there have in many countries, including this one; and it is politcally very charged in Spain right now, as it has been for a long while. That's why I think a GONU woud be very hard. The real shame is that C's ruled out a coalition with PSOE after April's election. That would have had a solid majority and would have meant no Podemos in power. However, the devolved healthcare systems, the social interaction, the number of people living in flats, etc would still have been there. The one real charge you can lay at the government's feet, I think, is the failure to act decisively sooner. Had it done so, it woud still have been horrific, but undoubtedly less horrific than it is now.
I still think Trump will win but relatively narrowly, all Biden has done is ensure it will be close as the Democrats did when they picked Kerry over Dean in 2004 against President Bush or the Republicans did in 2012 when they picked Romney over Santorum or Gingrich.
Trump's rating is still only hovering around 50% which means he was not going to be re elected by a landslide provided the Democrats picked a centrist alternative, however his ratings are up on the 35 to 40% they were for most of last year which means he is no longer at Carter 1980 levels and a sitting duck
Yes, but his ratings are up because the public think he's doing a wonderful job on Covid-19. How does he sustain that impression for seven months?
Let’s not write him off yet, he’s somehow sustained the impression he’s sane for four years.
The dangerous thing about Trump is that he has convinced his thick core voters that everything in the "lamestream" media is lies and Fake News. Only he and Fox News speak the truth. You have to give him credit for pulling that off, Josef Goebbels would have been proud.
And hadn't her hand picked successor stepped down as not up to the job? Perhaps she'll need to run again next year after all.
Not categorically impossible, but unlikely. The CV crisis does have reshuffeled the cards, though. Merz has been taken out literally by the virus, Laschet figuratively so. Spahn has been able to raise his profile considerably, Röttgen has been forgotten. The new frontrunner for the Union candidature is the CSU's Markus Söder, Spahn for the CDU chair.
I must have not paid attention at the time, but can someone explain how China prevented this virus from spreading through the rest of the country at the same time it has spread through the rest of the world?
Huge mystery.
Also funeral urn counts suggest 60,000 dead in Wuhan, not 3,000 as claimed.
As they start un-welding all the apartment blocks they imprisoned people in two months ago, they will probably find more than a few bodies inside. Not that anyone will ever know about them.
Some things just cannot be done in a democracy, what happened in Wuhan being close to the top of the list.
I seriously doubt there was significant welding of people into their apartment blocks and leaving them to die, and certainly not as policy.
I read that those videos were of apartments being repossessed and secured and nothing to do with the virus.
A lot of rhe outdoor videos supposedly from Wuhan showed trees full of leaves when it was actually the middle of winter there.
Yes and remember the videos of people collapsing in the street?
That hasn't happened anywhere else with the virus, so was probably completely unrelated.
I must have not paid attention at the time, but can someone explain how China prevented this virus from spreading through the rest of the country at the same time it has spread through the rest of the world?
Huge mystery.
Also funeral urn counts suggest 60,000 dead in Wuhan, not 3,000 as claimed.
As they start un-welding all the apartment blocks they imprisoned people in two months ago, they will probably find more than a few bodies inside. Not that anyone will ever know about them.
Some things just cannot be done in a democracy, what happened in Wuhan being close to the top of the list.
I seriously doubt there was significant welding of people into their apartment blocks and leaving them to die, and certainly not as policy.
So if it was just a few hundred blocks where infected people were living, rather than "significant" numbers, that makes it okay?
Or if it was a local mayor's policy, rather than the central government's?
China only achieved what they have (if you believe their numbers in the first place, which I doubt), by pivoting from ignoring the problem to having the army on the streets unafraid to shoot people for leaving their houses, within a couple of days.
Actions that are not compatible with anything approaching a democratic nation. Quarantines and curfews are one thing, the actions of the Chinese quite another.
I must have not paid attention at the time, but can someone explain how China prevented this virus from spreading through the rest of the country at the same time it has spread through the rest of the world?
Huge mystery.
Also funeral urn counts suggest 60,000 dead in Wuhan, not 3,000 as claimed.
As they start un-welding all the apartment blocks they imprisoned people in two months ago, they will probably find more than a few bodies inside. Not that anyone will ever know about them.
Some things just cannot be done in a democracy, what happened in Wuhan being close to the top of the list.
I seriously doubt there was significant welding of people into their apartment blocks and leaving them to die, and certainly not as policy.
I read that those videos were of apartments being repossessed and secured and nothing to do with the virus.
A lot of rhe outdoor videos supposedly from Wuhan showed trees full of leaves when it was actually the middle of winter there.
Yes and remember the videos of people collapsing in the street?
That hasn't happened anywhere else with the virus, so was probably completely unrelated.
Surprised it wasn't that before the crisis, to be honest. She seems very popular.
She is popular with the population in the political middle. Those voting AfD are not so enamoured with her.
I think it is fair to say that many who don't support the CDU still like her approach and way of governing. She also has quite a knack of being a Teflon Leader, partly because she let's her cabinet deal with making announcements, and only steps in when a problem gets too large, like she has done with the pandemic. The only difficult situation for which the blame did stick with her was the assylum crisis.
And hadn't her hand picked successor stepped down as not up to the job? Perhaps she'll need to run again next year after all.
Not categorically impossible, but unlikely. The CV crisis does have reshuffeled the cards, though. Merz has been taken out literally by the virus, Laschet figuratively so. Spahn has been able to raise his profile considerably, Röttgen has been forgotten. The new frontrunner for the Union candidature is the CSU's Markus Söder, Spahn for the CDU chair.
I'd read that Söder was having a good war, how do you rate his chances? My reading is that he will fall down at the same stage other CSU leaders have when trying to run for Union leader.
And hadn't her hand picked successor stepped down as not up to the job? Perhaps she'll need to run again next year after all.
Not categorically impossible, but unlikely. The CV crisis does have reshuffeled the cards, though. Merz has been taken out literally by the virus, Laschet figuratively so. Spahn has been able to raise his profile considerably, Röttgen has been forgotten. The new frontrunner for the Union candidature is the CSU's Markus Söder, Spahn for the CDU chair.
I think a CSU Kanzlerkandidat would be bad for the CDU in a national election.
I must have not paid attention at the time, but can someone explain how China prevented this virus from spreading through the rest of the country at the same time it has spread through the rest of the world?
Huge mystery.
Also funeral urn counts suggest 60,000 dead in Wuhan, not 3,000 as claimed.
As they start un-welding all the apartment blocks they imprisoned people in two months ago, they will probably find more than a few bodies inside. Not that anyone will ever know about them.
Some things just cannot be done in a democracy, what happened in Wuhan being close to the top of the list.
I seriously doubt there was significant welding of people into their apartment blocks and leaving them to die, and certainly not as policy.
So if it was just a few hundred blocks where infected people were living, rather than "significant" numbers, that makes it okay?
Or if it was a local mayor's policy, rather than the central government's?
China only achieved what they have (if you believe their numbers in the first place, which I doubt), by pivoting from ignoring the problem to having the army on the streets unafraid to shoot people for leaving their houses, within a couple of days.
Actions that are not compatible with anything approaching a democratic nation. Quarantines and curfews are one thing, the actions of the Chinese quite another.
And there is an epistemological point here. Even if the commenter were a highly respected sinologist who had lived in Wuhan for 40 years, "seriously doubt" and "certainly" would be massively overconfident statements about what this particular government would do in this particular crisis. Let's accept that there are unknowns out there.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
*biggest Tory poll lead in Wangland.
I was slightly surprised that there was no uplift in the SNP vote although national polls like this are quite crude. Nicola has done very well through this so far and has possibly had a stroke of luck in the Salmond trial which got far, far less coverage than it would in normal times.
I'm sure all the 'Nicola Knew' stuff is being kept in reserve for when everyone has stopped coughing.
And hadn't her hand picked successor stepped down as not up to the job? Perhaps she'll need to run again next year after all.
Not categorically impossible, but unlikely. The CV crisis does have reshuffeled the cards, though. Merz has been taken out literally by the virus, Laschet figuratively so. Spahn has been able to raise his profile considerably, Röttgen has been forgotten. The new frontrunner for the Union candidature is the CSU's Markus Söder, Spahn for the CDU chair.
I'd read that Söder was having a good war, how do you rate his chances? My reading is that he will fall down at the same stage other CSU leaders have when trying to run for Union leader.
Strauss in '80 was the most controversial figure you could imagine, giving him the candidature was a cunning ruse by Kohl, he never stood a realistic chance against Schmidt.
Stoiber was in with a shot in '02 but lacked the media savvy.
Söder would have been a much better candidate even before the crisis took off, and, as I said, must be considered the frontrunner now, with a good chance to win a clear plurality, at the least.
And hadn't her hand picked successor stepped down as not up to the job? Perhaps she'll need to run again next year after all.
Not categorically impossible, but unlikely. The CV crisis does have reshuffeled the cards, though. Merz has been taken out literally by the virus, Laschet figuratively so. Spahn has been able to raise his profile considerably, Röttgen has been forgotten. The new frontrunner for the Union candidature is the CSU's Markus Söder, Spahn for the CDU chair.
I think a CSU Kanzlerkandidat would be bad for the CDU in a national election.
Opinions vary on that. In my estimate he has a good chance to recover more votes from the right fringe than he would lose in the centre, nationwide.
Just back from walking the dog, ISTM that there are a lot fewer people out and about today. The weather isn’t quite as nice, although fairly decent this morning. I wonder whether the top trio having come down with the virus has made it real for more people?
I must have not paid attention at the time, but can someone explain how China prevented this virus from spreading through the rest of the country at the same time it has spread through the rest of the world?
Huge mystery.
Also funeral urn counts suggest 60,000 dead in Wuhan, not 3,000 as claimed.
As they start un-welding all the apartment blocks they imprisoned people in two months ago, they will probably find more than a few bodies inside. Not that anyone will ever know about them.
Some things just cannot be done in a democracy, what happened in Wuhan being close to the top of the list.
I seriously doubt there was significant welding of people into their apartment blocks and leaving them to die, and certainly not as policy.
I read that those videos were of apartments being repossessed and secured and nothing to do with the virus.
A lot of rhe outdoor videos supposedly from Wuhan showed trees full of leaves when it was actually the middle of winter there.
Yes and remember the videos of people collapsing in the street?
That hasn't happened anywhere else with the virus, so was probably completely unrelated.
I thought there were similar stories from Italy?
I can believe the collapsing in the street in a few extreme case, shocking though it is.
When the health system cant keep up (Wuhan and N. Italy) and an elderly person has no one to buy food for him/her. At home their breathing is manageable as they are not exerting themselves, but underestaimate how much effort walking to the shops is when their lung effecacy is a quarter of what it should be.
I must have not paid attention at the time, but can someone explain how China prevented this virus from spreading through the rest of the country at the same time it has spread through the rest of the world?
Huge mystery.
Also funeral urn counts suggest 60,000 dead in Wuhan, not 3,000 as claimed.
As they start un-welding all the apartment blocks they imprisoned people in two months ago, they will probably find more than a few bodies inside. Not that anyone will ever know about them.
Some things just cannot be done in a democracy, what happened in Wuhan being close to the top of the list.
I seriously doubt there was significant welding of people into their apartment blocks and leaving them to die, and certainly not as policy.
I read that those videos were of apartments being repossessed and secured and nothing to do with the virus.
A lot of rhe outdoor videos supposedly from Wuhan showed trees full of leaves when it was actually the middle of winter there.
Yes and remember the videos of people collapsing in the street?
That hasn't happened anywhere else with the virus, so was probably completely unrelated.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
*biggest Tory poll lead in Wangland.
Tories 3% behind the SNP in Scotland.
I love an occasional and selective sub-sample
The Python&Radiohead hating Albanian taxi driver (loved pineapple pizza) I met the other day was an expert on Scottish poll sub-samples, as it happens.....
Has my Albanian cab driver become a meme?!
Lol. You guys are BONKERS.
FWIW - you won’t believe me - he really exists, and I faithfully reported everything he said.
“As was also predictable from early on, once an outbreak became established in a country, the only alternative to a near-universal domestic epidemic was a shut-down of the economy and society in affected regions – which would come with a terrible economic toll.”
I have an acquaintance who fled the UK back to his native Sweden early on in this, because he didn't think the UK were taking enough action and had more confidence in Swedish healthcare system. Awks.
I must have not paid attention at the time, but can someone explain how China prevented this virus from spreading through the rest of the country at the same time it has spread through the rest of the world?
Huge mystery.
Also funeral urn counts suggest 60,000 dead in Wuhan, not 3,000 as claimed.
As they start un-welding all the apartment blocks they imprisoned people in two months ago, they will probably find more than a few bodies inside. Not that anyone will ever know about them.
Some things just cannot be done in a democracy, what happened in Wuhan being close to the top of the list.
I seriously doubt there was significant welding of people into their apartment blocks and leaving them to die, and certainly not as policy.
I read that those videos were of apartments being repossessed and secured and nothing to do with the virus.
A lot of rhe outdoor videos supposedly from Wuhan showed trees full of leaves when it was actually the middle of winter there.
Yes and remember the videos of people collapsing in the street?
That hasn't happened anywhere else with the virus, so was probably completely unrelated.
I thought there were similar stories from Italy?
I can believe the collapsing in the street in a few extreme case, shocking though it is.
When the health system cant keep up (Wuhan and N. Italy) and an elderly person has no one to buy food for him/her. At home their breathing is manageable as they are not exerting themselves, but underestaimate how much effort walking to the shops is when their lung effecacy is a quarter of what it should be.
Sorry if this is upsetting. But....
Many soldiers died early after the first world war. This was as a result of surviving gas attacks. This left them with reduced lung function and a persistent cough. This in turn put strain on the cardio-vascular system. The cause of death was generally a heart attack.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
*biggest Tory poll lead in Wangland.
I was slightly surprised that there was no uplift in the SNP vote although national polls like this are quite crude. Nicola has done very well through this so far and has possibly had a stroke of luck in the Salmond trial which got far, far less coverage than it would in normal times.
I'm sure all the 'Nicola Knew' stuff is being kept in reserve for when everyone has stopped coughing.
Should be very interesting for sure, if not herself all her clique and nearest and dearest were. I hope some byre cleaning is done.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
*biggest Tory poll lead in Wangland.
Tories 3% behind the SNP in Scotland.
I love an occasional and selective sub-sample
The Python&Radiohead hating Albanian taxi driver (loved pineapple pizza) I met the other day was an expert on Scottish poll sub-samples, as it happens.....
Has my Albanian cab driver become a meme?!
Lol. You guys are BONKERS.
FWIW - you won’t believe me - he really exists, and I faithfully reported everything he said.
Is setting up multiple accounts with identical personas BONKERS, or a failure of imagination? Asking for an imaginary friend.
Just back from walking the dog, ISTM that there are a lot fewer people out and about today. The weather isn’t quite as nice, although fairly decent this morning. I wonder whether the top trio having come down with the virus has made it real for more people?
That link on the previous thread (thanks @DAlexander!) from the Netherlands stating that 80% of patients in the ICU are obese is very interesting. It does suggest that this (plus associated complications) are, perhaps unsurprisingly, major factors. That doesn't bode well for this country and, especially, for the USA... @Foxy do you know if something similar has been seen, anecdotally, here?
In my opinion, obesity is misunderstood by the medical profession. Simply carrying around a bunch of fat cells is not, in and of itself, a medical condition - it is a symptom. It is the body's wonderful response to a problem with the problem being (in my opinion) a blood sugar spike, and/or us consuming bad things that the body can't deal with so decides to store as fat.
That being the case, levels of sugar and carb consumption could be heavily implicated in the fortunes of sufferers. This would tally with diabetics (especially, I assume, type 1 sufferers) being vulnerable.
I must have not paid attention at the time, but can someone explain how China prevented this virus from spreading through the rest of the country at the same time it has spread through the rest of the world?
Huge mystery.
Also funeral urn counts suggest 60,000 dead in Wuhan, not 3,000 as claimed.
As they start un-welding all the apartment blocks they imprisoned people in two months ago, they will probably find more than a few bodies inside. Not that anyone will ever know about them.
Some things just cannot be done in a democracy, what happened in Wuhan being close to the top of the list.
I seriously doubt there was significant welding of people into their apartment blocks and leaving them to die, and certainly not as policy.
I read that those videos were of apartments being repossessed and secured and nothing to do with the virus.
A lot of rhe outdoor videos supposedly from Wuhan showed trees full of leaves when it was actually the middle of winter there.
Yes and remember the videos of people collapsing in the street?
That hasn't happened anywhere else with the virus, so was probably completely unrelated.
I thought there were similar stories from Italy?
I can believe the collapsing in the street in a few extreme case, shocking though it is.
When the health system cant keep up (Wuhan and N. Italy) and an elderly person has no one to buy food for him/her. At home their breathing is manageable as they are not exerting themselves, but underestaimate how much effort walking to the shops is when their lung effecacy is a quarter of what it should be.
This...
A couple of years ago, I contracted something that wasn't a millions miles off the kind of symptoms of CV i.e massive fever and developed pneumonia. Before I was hospitalized, I tried to fight through for a couple of days and even going up the stairs took everything out of me...and I am not old and very fit otherwise.
Under the current situation, I would probably would have been an edge case for hospital admission as I wasn't "drowning", just much reduced capacity. Under those circumstances and had been forced to go to the shop, I am pretty sure I wouldn't have made it all the way.
Another point on CV collapses...not only serious pneumonia being a problem, but there are plenty of evidence that it attacks other organs, especially the heart, so people could also be having heart failure.
And anybody with an underlying condition, I am sure this overwhelms them and again could easily lead to this.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
*biggest Tory poll lead in Wangland.
Tories 3% behind the SNP in Scotland.
I love an occasional and selective sub-sample
The Python&Radiohead hating Albanian taxi driver (loved pineapple pizza) I met the other day was an expert on Scottish poll sub-samples, as it happens.....
Has my Albanian cab driver become a meme?!
Lol. You guys are BONKERS.
FWIW - you won’t believe me - he really exists, and I faithfully reported everything he said.
“As was also predictable from early on, once an outbreak became established in a country, the only alternative to a near-universal domestic epidemic was a shut-down of the economy and society in affected regions – which would come with a terrible economic toll.”
Aren’t Swedes known as being a bit stand-offish anyway? Sadly, we have far too great a number who think that a good night out or good work environment is to squeeze as many people as possible into a small space.
The Spanish must be absolutely PO’d that it is called the Spanish Flu when all they did was report on it first - being neutral in WW1 their papers were under fewer reporting restrictions than in the combatant countries, and the fact the King became ill meant it appeared more prevalent there. But it didn’t start there.
Just back from walking the dog, ISTM that there are a lot fewer people out and about today. The weather isn’t quite as nice, although fairly decent this morning. I wonder whether the top trio having come down with the virus has made it real for more people?
Lovely day here for a change
Looks like independence is not going to happen no matter how much you 'will' it too Malc
Todays poll is evidence of the appreciation of the union by the Scots who recognise the strength of the union at times of national emergency
I have always maintained the Scots would not vote for independence, but covid 19 has ensured it
“As was also predictable from early on, once an outbreak became established in a country, the only alternative to a near-universal domestic epidemic was a shut-down of the economy and society in affected regions – which would come with a terrible economic toll.”
Aren’t Swedes known as being a bit stand-offish anyway? Sadly, we have far too great a number who think that a good night out or good work environment is to squeeze as many people as possible into a small space.
It is certainly where it is a massive advantage to be a nation who aren't known for outward displays of affection...doing La Bise with everybody in a room like the French or the huggy nature of the Italians.
Also, not doing that religious stuff either. Catholics obviously in Spain and Italy, and here we are seeing a disproportionate number of people from the Asian and Jewish communities being struck down.
“As was also predictable from early on, once an outbreak became established in a country, the only alternative to a near-universal domestic epidemic was a shut-down of the economy and society in affected regions – which would come with a terrible economic toll.”
Aren’t Swedes known as being a bit stand-offish anyway? Sadly, we have far too great a number who think that a good night out or good work environment is to squeeze as many people as possible into a small space.
It is certainly where it is a massive advantage to be a nation who aren't known for outward displays of affection...doing La Bise with everybody in a room like the French or the huggy nature of the Italians.
Also, not doing that religious stuff either. Catholics obviously in Spain and Italy, and here we are seeing a disproportionate number of people from the Asian and Jewish community.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
What’s encouraging about it? Who gives a shit that it is the biggest lead since god knows when I’m not sure why a) they publish them people read them C) anybody thinks it’s relevant
We can hopeful resume Or not petty party politics in 12 months time
It's very encouraging at a time of crisis that the government has the confidence of the people. Long may it last in the UK - we are not quite so fortunate here in Spain but at least where I live people are strongly backing the lockdown.
The polling in Spain has been pretty non-existent recently, but one I saw this week basically had the result at where it was for the last election. In the UK, I think it is very good news that a large majority currently have confidence in the government. If we were divided the kind of collective action needed to combat the emergency would be far harder to undertake. There is plenty of time for normal politics to resume later.
Of course I agree wrt the UK but in Spain the optics atm are not good. There have been quite big failings re test kits, the flight to second homes and the awful care home scandals. In addition the current coalition lacks an overall majority. The health service is buckling in the centre and parts of the north. Catalonia continues being awkward. The EU and European allies have left Italy and Spain out to dry sadly. The Dutch minister's comments at the EU summit have gone down very badly. I still hope we'll pull through and life here in the SE is very calm and compliant. However, this is a very conservative rural zone very unlike the rest of the country. Turbulent times.
The Dutch minister's comments were an absolute disgrace and reminded me that I voted Remain not because I had any affection for the EU but because I thought leaving was a worse idea than staying. There have been failings, as there have in many countries, including this one; and it is politcally very charged in Spain right now, as it has been for a long while. That's why I think a GONU woud be very hard. The real shame is that C's ruled out a coalition with PSOE after April's election. That would have had a solid majority and would have meant no Podemos in power. However, the devolved healthcare systems, the social interaction, the number of people living in flats, etc would still have been there. The one real charge you can lay at the government's feet, I think, is the failure to act decisively sooner. Had it done so, it woud still have been horrific, but undoubtedly less horrific than it is now.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
*biggest Tory poll lead in Wangland.
Tories 3% behind the SNP in Scotland.
I love an occasional and selective sub-sample
The Python&Radiohead hating Albanian taxi driver (loved pineapple pizza) I met the other day was an expert on Scottish poll sub-samples, as it happens.....
Has my Albanian cab driver become a meme?!
Lol. You guys are BONKERS.
FWIW - you won’t believe me - he really exists, and I faithfully reported everything he said.
Is setting up multiple accounts with identical personas BONKERS, or a failure of imagination? Asking for an imaginary friend.
“As was also predictable from early on, once an outbreak became established in a country, the only alternative to a near-universal domestic epidemic was a shut-down of the economy and society in affected regions – which would come with a terrible economic toll.”
Aren’t Swedes known as being a bit stand-offish anyway? Sadly, we have far too great a number who think that a good night out or good work environment is to squeeze as many people as possible into a small space.
It is certainly where it is a massive advantage to be a nation who aren't known for outward displays of affection...doing La Bise with everybody in a room like the French or the huggy nature of the Italians.
Also, not doing that religious stuff either. Catholics obviously in Spain and Italy, and here we are seeing a disproportionate number of people from the Asian and Jewish community.
We have a lot to thank the Victorians for.
I have to say I am still very awkward about all continental level of affection when I visit European friends. Just how many kisses do I do with you, and which side do I start, and no kisses with this group, but hugs...
Just back from walking the dog, ISTM that there are a lot fewer people out and about today. The weather isn’t quite as nice, although fairly decent this morning. I wonder whether the top trio having come down with the virus has made it real for more people?
Lovely day here for a change
Looks like independence is not going to happen no matter how much you 'will' it too Malc
Todays poll is evidence of the appreciation of the union by the Scots who recognise the strength of the union at times of national emergency
I have always maintained the Scots would not vote for independence, but covid 19 has ensured it
Weren't you recently humpfing about someone passing comment on a country in which they didn't live? Was it because you thought they didn't have right to stick their oar in or that they didn't have a clue, being so far away 'n' everything?
I must have not paid attention at the time, but can someone explain how China prevented this virus from spreading through the rest of the country at the same time it has spread through the rest of the world?
Huge mystery.
Also funeral urn counts suggest 60,000 dead in Wuhan, not 3,000 as claimed.
As they start un-welding all the apartment blocks they imprisoned people in two months ago, they will probably find more than a few bodies inside. Not that anyone will ever know about them.
Some things just cannot be done in a democracy, what happened in Wuhan being close to the top of the list.
I seriously doubt there was significant welding of people into their apartment blocks and leaving them to die, and certainly not as policy.
No idea. I do note though from Defoe Journal of the Plague Year that it was the absolutely standard way of dealing with cases, and the most horrific aspect of the whole thing, to seal up houses with known cases and put a watchman on the door to prevent escapes.
No doubt like many others, I am re-reading Defoe, and was struck by the fact that the watchmen were there not only to prevent escapes, but also to buy food and other necessary items for those in the house. Notwithstanding that there was a flaw in the procedure because they couldn't do both at once, it does seem that the planners in 17th-century London were aware that people staying at home needed to eat, unlike their modern counterparts.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
What’s encouraging about it? Who gives a shit that it is the biggest lead since god knows when I’m not sure why a) they publish them people read them C) anybody thinks it’s relevant
We can hopeful resume Or not petty party politics in 12 months time
It's very encouraging at a time of crisis that the government has the confidence of the people. Long may it last in the UK - we are not quite so fortunate here in Spain but at least where I live people are strongly backing the lockdown.
The polling in Spain has been pretty non-existent recently, but one I saw this week basically had the result at where it was for the last election. In the UK, I think it is very good news that a large majority currently have confidence in the government. If we were divided the kind of collective action needed to combat the emergency would be far harder to undertake. There is plenty of time for normal politics to resume later.
Of course I agree wrt the UK but in Spain the optics atm are not good. There have been quite big failings re test kits, the flight to second homes and the awful care home scandals. In addition the current coalition lacks an overall majority. The health service is buckling in the centre and parts of the north. Catalonia continues being awkward. The EU and European allies have left Italy and Spain out to dry sadly. The Dutch minister's comments at the EU summit have gone down very badly. I still hope we'll pull through and life here in the SE is very calm and compliant. However, this is a very conservative rural zone very unlike the rest of the country. Turbulent times.
The Dutch minister's comments were an absolute disgrace and reminded me that I voted Remain not because I had any affection for the EU but because I thought leaving was a worse idea than staying. There have been failings, as there have in many countries, including this one; and it is politcally very charged in Spain right now, as it has been for a long while. That's why I think a GONU woud be very hard. The real shame is that C's ruled out a coalition with PSOE after April's election. That would have had a solid majority and would have meant no Podemos in power. However, the devolved healthcare systems, the social interaction, the number of people living in flats, etc would still have been there. The one real charge you can lay at the government's feet, I think, is the failure to act decisively sooner. Had it done so, it woud still have been horrific, but undoubtedly less horrific than it is now.
The Dutch are really missing us playing the baddie aren't they>
I think they are missing the point completely: telling countries that have had a decade of extreme austerity and which are now coping with a human catastrophe that essentially it is all their fault and they are on their own is quite something. In the case of Spain and Portugal, at least, it also ignores just how much has been done to bring their economies back to an even keel.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
The Dutch are really missing us playing the baddie aren't they>
I think they are missing the point completely: telling countries that have had a decade of extreme austerity and which are now coping with a human catastrophe that essentially it is all their fault and they are on their own is quite something. In the case of Spain and Portugal, at least, it also ignores just how much has been done to bring their economies back to an even keel.
Unless and until an EU demos develops among the general population (as opposed to a few political elites), times of crisis will always generate massive friction between member states. Monetary union cannot survive without fiscal union in the long term.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
What’s encouraging about it? Who gives a shit that it is the biggest lead since god knows when I’m not sure why a) they publish them people read them C) anybody thinks it’s relevant
We can hopeful resume Or not petty party politics in 12 months time
It's very encouraging at a time of crisis that the government has the confidence of the people. Long may it last in the UK - we are not quite so fortunate here in Spain but at least where I live people are strongly backing the lockdown.
The polling in Spain has been pretty non-existent recently, but one I saw this week basically had the result at where it was for the last election. In the UK, I think it is very good news that a large majority currently have confidence in the government. If we were divided the kind of collective action needed to combat the emergency would be far harder to undertake. There is plenty of time for normal politics to resume later.
Of course I agree wrt the UK but in Spain the optics atm are not good. There have been quite big failings re test kits, the flight to second homes and the awful care home scandals. In addition the current coalition lacks an overall majority. The health service is buckling in the centre and parts of the north. Catalonia continues being awkward. The EU and European allies have left Italy and Spain out to dry sadly. The Dutch minister's comments at the EU summit have gone down very badly. I still hope we'll pull through and life here in the SE is very calm and compliant. However, this is a very conservative rural zone very unlike the rest of the country. Turbulent times.
The Dutch minister's comments were an absolute disgrace and reminded me that I voted Remain not because I had any affection for the EU but because I thought leaving was a worse idea than staying. There have been failings, as there have in many countries, including this one; and it is politcally very charged in Spain right now, as it has been for a long while. That's why I think a GONU woud be very hard. The real shame is that C's ruled out a coalition with PSOE after April's election. That would have had a solid majority and would have meant no Podemos in power. However, the devolved healthcare systems, the social interaction, the number of people living in flats, etc would still have been there. The one real charge you can lay at the government's feet, I think, is the failure to act decisively sooner. Had it done so, it woud still have been horrific, but undoubtedly less horrific than it is now.
The Dutch are really missing us playing the baddie aren't they>
I think they are missing the point completely: telling countries that have had a decade of extreme austerity and which are now coping with a human catastrophe that essentially it is all their fault and they are on their own is quite something. In the case of Spain and Portugal, at least, it also ignores just how much has been done to bring their economies back to an even keel.
I don't disagree, its just in times past they would have had us say it and quietly agreed behind the scenes whilst we took all the flak. What their response shows is that EU solidarity is just words on a page.
So the likelihood is that pretty much every country down to tiny Ireland is going to end this with more dead than China? Right...
I don't think you can project that from the graphs. For most countries, the slope is reducing. i.e. the exponential growth is slowing down. Some notable exceptions.
“As was also predictable from early on, once an outbreak became established in a country, the only alternative to a near-universal domestic epidemic was a shut-down of the economy and society in affected regions – which would come with a terrible economic toll.”
Aren’t Swedes known as being a bit stand-offish anyway? Sadly, we have far too great a number who think that a good night out or good work environment is to squeeze as many people as possible into a small space.
It is certainly where it is a massive advantage to be a nation who aren't known for outward displays of affection...doing La Bise with everybody in a room like the French or the huggy nature of the Italians.
Also, not doing that religious stuff either. Catholics obviously in Spain and Italy, and here we are seeing a disproportionate number of people from the Asian and Jewish communities being struck down.
Since God wouldn't conjure up a pandemic that disproportionately felled the devout, isn’t this conclusive proof that God doesn’t exist?
Just back from walking the dog, ISTM that there are a lot fewer people out and about today. The weather isn’t quite as nice, although fairly decent this morning. I wonder whether the top trio having come down with the virus has made it real for more people?
Lovely day here for a change
Looks like independence is not going to happen no matter how much you 'will' it too Malc
Todays poll is evidence of the appreciation of the union by the Scots who recognise the strength of the union at times of national emergency
I have always maintained the Scots would not vote for independence, but covid 19 has ensured it
Weren't you recently humpfing about someone passing comment on a country in which they didn't live? Was it because you thought they didn't have right to stick their oar in or that they didn't have a clue, being so far away 'n' everything?
My family have an absolute right to comment on Scots independence and will continue to do so. My children and grandchildren are half Scots and are entitled to wear their kilts
Of course you may have some difficulty in understanding independence is over, but over it is
And by the way, I was schooled in Berwick on Tweed and have lived with the desire of some for independence since those days in the 1950's, and of course lived in Edinburgh and was married in Lossiemouth
To put a handle on this, the egg-heads have said they think between 50-66% of those who will die would have died this year anyway. That isn't to take anyway from the tragedy of it all, but it gives some perspective of with / of.
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
Encouraging and the biggest Tory poll lead since Thatcher post Falklands in 1982 apparently but next week Corbyn will be gone and Starmer will likely be Labour leader and the Tories poll lead may narrow
What’s encouraging about it? Who gives a shit that it is the biggest lead since god knows when I’m not sure why a) they publish them people read them C) anybody thinks it’s relevant
We can hopeful resume Or not petty party politics in 12 months time
It's very encouraging at a time of crisis that the government has the confidence of the people. Long may it last in the UK - we are not quite so fortunate here in Spain but at least where I live people are strongly backing the lockdown.
The polling in Spain has been pretty non-existent recently, but one I saw this week basically had the result at where it was for the last election. In the UK, I think it is very good news that a large majority currently have confidence in the government. If we were divided the kind of collective action needed to combat the emergency would be far harder to undertake. There is plenty of time for normal politics to resume later.
Of course I agree wrt the UK but in Spain the optics atm are not good. There have been quite big failings re test kits, the flight to second homes and the awful care home scandals. In addition the current coalition lacks an overall majority. The health service is buckling in the centre and parts of the north. Catalonia continues being awkward. The EU and European allies have left Italy and Spain out to dry sadly. The Dutch minister's comments at the EU summit have gone down very badly. I still hope we'll pull through and life here in the SE is very calm and compliant. However, this is a very conservative rural zone very unlike the rest of the country. Turbulent times.
The Dutch minister's comments were an absolute disgrace and reminded me that I voted Remain not because I had any affection for the EU but because I thought leaving was a worse idea than staying. There have been failings, as there have in many countries, including this one; and it is politcally very charged in Spain right now, as it has been for a long while. That's why I think a GONU woud be very hard. The real shame is that C's ruled out a coalition with PSOE after April's election. That would have had a solid majority and would have meant no Podemos in power. However, the devolved healthcare systems, the social interaction, the number of people living in flats, etc would still have been there. The one real charge you can lay at the government's feet, I think, is the failure to act decisively sooner. Had it done so, it woud still have been horrific, but undoubtedly less horrific than it is now.
The Dutch are really missing us playing the baddie aren't they>
I think they are missing the point completely: telling countries that have had a decade of extreme austerity and which are now coping with a human catastrophe that essentially it is all their fault and they are on their own is quite something. In the case of Spain and Portugal, at least, it also ignores just how much has been done to bring their economies back to an even keel.
I don't disagree, its just in times past they would have had us say it and quietly agreed behind the scenes whilst we took all the flak. What their response shows is that EU solidarity is just words on a page.
Yep, that is the danger. There was polling in Spain earlier this week showing a significant fall in confidence in the EU as an institution. I am not surprised.
Just back from walking the dog, ISTM that there are a lot fewer people out and about today. The weather isn’t quite as nice, although fairly decent this morning. I wonder whether the top trio having come down with the virus has made it real for more people?
Lovely day here for a change
Looks like independence is not going to happen no matter how much you 'will' it too Malc
Todays poll is evidence of the appreciation of the union by the Scots who recognise the strength of the union at times of national emergency
I have always maintained the Scots would not vote for independence, but covid 19 has ensured it
Weren't you recently humpfing about someone passing comment on a country in which they didn't live? Was it because you thought they didn't have right to stick their oar in or that they didn't have a clue, being so far away 'n' everything?
‘n’
Lol
Piqued Seant trying to get a dig in on another post was always one of my favourites.
So the likelihood is that pretty much every country down to tiny Ireland is going to end this with more dead than China? Right...
I don't think you can project that from the graphs. For most countries, the slope is reducing. i.e. the exponential growth is slowing down. Some notable exceptions.
This is really interesting and indicates that the social landscape is a very important factor in how damaging the virus ends up being. How do you stop Italians and the Spanish from being what they are? https://twitter.com/TrevorSutcliffe/status/1243612624790515712
So the likelihood is that pretty much every country down to tiny Ireland is going to end this with more dead than China? Right...
I don't think you can project that from the graphs. For most countries, the slope is reducing. i.e. the exponential growth is slowing down. Some notable exceptions.
But if you assume anything like a bell shaped curve then their total deaths will exceed China's declared deaths. Whilst the period of exponential or explosive growth seems to end quite quickly once controls are imposed (allowing for lags of course) there is then a quite extensive period of a few weeks before the numbers fall off materially.
Deaths are also a seriously lagging indicator since many seem to succumb well after the median of 10 days after getting symptoms. And China is reporting 3 deaths today. I frankly don't believe it.
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https://twitter.com/COdendahl/status/1243654522024742913?s=19
Then we haven't had to stoop to his level.
(And no opportunities for politicians to lay wreaths...)
Which he hasn't done much of up to now. The virus neutralises one of his biggest negatives.
I’m dealing in facts here not comparing current polling with normal polling but with the rally round surge that comes in crisis. That’s the true comparison. Hence Trumps virtually non movement is very bad for him.
Seriously though, is just a scarf or thong better than nothing. Technically common and garden face masks offered no protection anyway? So all we are doing is making a show so those around us feel a bit easier we are not breathing or worse on them?
So a scarf? A snood? Thong.
Also, it is a hell of a lot easier to enforce social compliance, when rather than a £30 fine, they have tools like loss of social credit score which can effect your whole life to being sent to a labour camp.
The CV crisis does have reshuffeled the cards, though. Merz has been taken out literally by the virus, Laschet figuratively so. Spahn has been able to raise his profile considerably, Röttgen has been forgotten.
The new frontrunner for the Union candidature is the CSU's Markus Söder, Spahn for the CDU chair.
That hasn't happened anywhere else with the virus, so was probably completely unrelated.
Or if it was a local mayor's policy, rather than the central government's?
China only achieved what they have (if you believe their numbers in the first place, which I doubt), by pivoting from ignoring the problem to having the army on the streets unafraid to shoot people for leaving their houses, within a couple of days.
Actions that are not compatible with anything approaching a democratic nation. Quarantines and curfews are one thing, the actions of the Chinese quite another.
I think it is fair to say that many who don't support the CDU still like her approach and way of governing. She also has quite a knack of being a Teflon Leader, partly because she let's her cabinet deal with making announcements, and only steps in when a problem gets too large, like she has done with the pandemic. The only difficult situation for which the blame did stick with her was the assylum crisis.
Stoiber was in with a shot in '02 but lacked the media savvy.
Söder would have been a much better candidate even before the crisis took off, and, as I said, must be considered the frontrunner now, with a good chance to win a clear plurality, at the least.
When the health system cant keep up (Wuhan and N. Italy) and an elderly person has no one to buy food for him/her. At home their breathing is manageable as they are not exerting themselves, but underestaimate how much effort walking to the shops is when their lung effecacy is a quarter of what it should be.
Many soldiers died early after the first world war. This was as a result of surviving gas attacks. This left them with reduced lung function and a persistent cough. This in turn put strain on the cardio-vascular system. The cause of death was generally a heart attack.
That being the case, levels of sugar and carb consumption could be heavily implicated in the fortunes of sufferers. This would tally with diabetics (especially, I assume, type 1 sufferers) being vulnerable.
A couple of years ago, I contracted something that wasn't a millions miles off the kind of symptoms of CV i.e massive fever and developed pneumonia. Before I was hospitalized, I tried to fight through for a couple of days and even going up the stairs took everything out of me...and I am not old and very fit otherwise.
Under the current situation, I would probably would have been an edge case for hospital admission as I wasn't "drowning", just much reduced capacity. Under those circumstances and had been forced to go to the shop, I am pretty sure I wouldn't have made it all the way.
And anybody with an underlying condition, I am sure this overwhelms them and again could easily lead to this.
Todays poll is evidence of the appreciation of the union by the Scots who recognise the strength of the union at times of national emergency
I have always maintained the Scots would not vote for independence, but covid 19 has ensured it
Also, not doing that religious stuff either. Catholics obviously in Spain and Italy, and here we are seeing a disproportionate number of people from the Asian and Jewish communities being struck down.
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1243881105540907008?s=21
Would knocking on my neighbour's door to ask him to stop playing deafening music morning, noon and night fall within the law?
Of course you may have some difficulty in understanding independence is over, but over it is
And by the way, I was schooled in Berwick on Tweed and have lived with the desire of some for independence since those days in the 1950's, and of course lived in Edinburgh and was married in Lossiemouth
Failure of imagination it is.
I feel your pain though.
https://twitter.com/TrevorSutcliffe/status/1243612624790515712
If you're still around, thanks for the Chen at al paper. An interesting read.
Deaths are also a seriously lagging indicator since many seem to succumb well after the median of 10 days after getting symptoms. And China is reporting 3 deaths today. I frankly don't believe it.