Is anyone surprised that herd immunity had Cummings’ fingers all over it?
When a few of us pointed out that the strategy rested on assumptions which reporting from Korea, Japan et al already called into question, we were told to pipe down by the Tory fan-club.
HYUFD was at that stage still recommending broth.
Broth is still recommended, the majority of people with COVID 19 can be managed at home, even if a minority need hospitalisation
But a key part of the isolation element of the plan is testing and retesting, to identify both asymptomatic and those strictly quarantined, it was technically impossible to do that on large scale so to push a plan technically impossible is bone headed.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
Bollocks. You can do HIIT training in a really small area of space. Doing something like a burpie requires hardly any space at all. And all the variations of press-ups, sit-ups, planks...the list is endless.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
It is not being selfish at all there is no reason not to go out to walk and take exercise as long as you do not get too close to others and the government advice at the moment is entirely right in allowing it.
Total and utter piffle as usual. I live in a studio flat 16 x 10 into which fits my kitchen and shower and bed and work desk so probably got less space than you and I manage to exercise perfectly well. I don't even have the benefit of a window merely a skylight. If I can manage so can you.
You don't have spout a load of drivel
You are not getting fresh air or much cardio, a handful of pushups once a day for 12 weeks doers not add much.
The government advice is you can walk outside without getting too close to others at the moment and I will listen to that not you
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
Bollocks. You can do HIIT training in a really small area of space. Doing something like a burpie requires hardly any space at all. And all the variations of press-ups, sit-ups, planks...the list is endless.
I would assume if the area is large enough to have sex then you can exercise.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
It is not being selfish at all there is no reason not to go out to walk and take exercise as long as you do not get too close to others and the government advice at the moment is entirely right in allowing it.
Total and utter piffle as usual. I live in a studio flat 16 x 10 into which fits my kitchen and shower and bed and work desk so probably got less space than you and I manage to exercise perfectly well. I don't even have the benefit of a window merely a skylight. If I can manage so can you.
I am getting rather pissed off at the repeated claim that staying at home for 12 months is near impossible. I understand the vulnerable who live on their own, but for most people, come on, these days there is infinite amount of shit to entertain you on the tv and internet, and we can all facetime / whatsapp our friends.
How the f##k do you think people manage through years and years of the wars without any of this?
Agreed. Home delivery is the key - it makes a massive difference that I could order some hand cream today and it will arrive tomorrow...
Amazon deliveries are now out to between Wednesday and Friday here. And home working kit is very scarce.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
It is not being selfish at all there is no reason not to go out to walk and take exercise as long as you do not get too close to others and the government advice at the moment is entirely right in allowing it.
Total and utter piffle as usual. I live in a studio flat 16 x 10 into which fits my kitchen and shower and bed and work desk so probably got less space than you and I manage to exercise perfectly well. I don't even have the benefit of a window merely a skylight. If I can manage so can you.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
It is not being selfish at all there is no reason not to go out to walk and take exercise and look after your physical and mental health and as long as you do not get too close to others and the government advice at the moment is entirely right in allowing it.
It is allowed while social distancing, if however you are social isolating and have Covid 19 symptoms then yes you stay home for 7 to 14 days but only if you have symptoms
I do love the way the ironfistery evaporates the instant your comfort is threatened. Surely you should be pointing out that Boris has a majority of 80 and can sovereignty legislate that you have to spend the next 10 years locked in a privy?
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
I have a sheepdog that would go crazy if he didn't get a good run most days. The park is busier than usual this morning
Exercising a dog probably comes under essential. Dogs can't exercise at home. People can and should.
You can take the dog out in Spain but no further than 50 meters from your home.
It takes a lot of effort, but you can exercise your dog in even a small flat/house. Lots of treat and scent based exercises, some agility, some catch, ball chasing etc.
True, and we do a lot of that on quieter days. But he is only two and without a good run a zoomie is only a matter of time
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
Bollocks. You can do HIIT training in a really small area of space. Doing something like a burpie requires hardly any space at all. And all the variations of press-ups, sit-ups, planks...the list is endless.
I would assume if the area is large enough to have sex then you can exercise.
Well perhaps that can be part of your exercise regime :-)
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
Bollocks. You can do HIIT training in a really small area of space. Doing something like a burpie requires hardly any space at all. And all the variations of press-ups, sit-ups, planks...the list is endless.
You can do that in addition to exercise outside, at the moment the advice remains you can walk outside without being close to others and until that changes I will continue to do so
As a fifty year old...I firmly sided with young people on the Remain debate but now on Covid 19 I am a fully signed up Oldie....
Why are so many of our country, particularly the young, behaving so irresponsibly? It is insufficient to simply dismiss them as morons or idiots.
I predict a major jump in UK deaths today-a tanking on the markets tomorrow and a national lock down announced tomorrow...these are not predictions actually, they are just givens knowing now this virus works and how human's behave....
I believe the national lock down will be loosely enforced outside London- but in London after tomorrow we will something like a full blown police state begin to emerge
All the photos I have seen of the pubs show them populated by fat bald blokes in their 40s and 50s. There is a general problem here: people have been told for so long by right and left that everything government says and does is bollocks, that all experts have an undeclared agenda, that they believe it. What we are seeing now is the results of that playing out.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
Is that so? I thought people were being given fines for being out with no good reason in France:
This is the message that needs to be sent to the young...
THREE junior doctors aged 30 are believed to have been struck by Covid-19 in the same hospital. They have been placed on ventilators and are being treated by colleagues in London, a medical source told The Sun on Sunday.
Obviously I don't blame these doctors, but it shows young people can get seriously seriously ill / will need ICU.
Worrying. This is the Battle of Britain. Unfortunately the enemy is not a foreign power but our citizens and their ignorant and selfish behaviour.
I've been saying the same for weeks. The Tenerife hotel was the case study. If we adhere to the policy it will work. If we don't thousands more deaths will occur.
Because of the uturn the government messaging has been hopeless. Pathetic and contradictory. I don't say this lightly but bring in Campbell and Morgan and get them doing their thing.
Who do you think you are kidding Covid 19, if you think we’re on the run, we are the boys who will stop your little game, we are the boys who will make you think again, so who do you think you are kidding Covid 19, if you think old England’s done. Joshua Brown went off to town on the six twenty one, but he is working from home now, and he’s looking after his mum. So who do you think you are kidding Covid 19, if you think old England’s done.
Part of Boris' problem is he loves to waffle and the press keep asking the most stupid questions to which he engages for far too long.
Boris should deliberately lose his rag, tell a journalist to "stop asking fucking stupid questions", have bit of a rant about thousands of easily avoidable deaths, and then walk out.
Maybe then some of the "journalists" might get it.
Which would be spun as "Boris in on-screen meltdown over coronavirus fears"
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
It is not being selfish at all there is no reason not to go out to walk and take exercise as long as you do not get too close to others and the government advice at the moment is entirely right in allowing it.
Total and utter piffle as usual. I live in a studio flat 16 x 10 into which fits my kitchen and shower and bed and work desk so probably got less space than you and I manage to exercise perfectly well. I don't even have the benefit of a window merely a skylight. If I can manage so can you.
You don't have spout a load of drivel
You are not getting fresh air or much cardio, a handful of pushups once a day for 12 weeks doers not add much.
The government advice is you can walk outside without getting too close to others at the moment and I will listen to that not you
Government advice is to not go out unless necessary
It is perfectly possible to get all your exercise needs without going out even in a small space. Note the links others have posted
ergo going out to exercise is not necessary therefore you are breaking government advice due to your own selfishness
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
It is not being selfish at all there is no reason not to go out to walk and take exercise and look after your physical and mental health and as long as you do not get too close to others and the government advice at the moment is entirely right in allowing it.
It is allowed while social distancing, if however you are social isolating and have Covid 19 symptoms then yes you stay home for 7 to 14 days but only if you have symptoms
I do love the way the ironfistery evaporates the instant your comfort is threatened. Surely you should be pointing out that Boris has a majority of 80 and can sovereignty legislate that you have to spend the next 10 years locked in a privy?
Boris can legislate whatever he wants but his advice and that of the scientists advising him at the moment is you can still exercise and walk outside without getting close to others, just I cannot go to the gym or swimming pool and exercise alongside others in a confined space indoors
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
Is that so? I thought people were being given fines for being out with no good reason in France:
Its not too late for the government, but they really need to stop worrying about if it might scare people and errrh scare people.
Within 2-3 weeks it will be so widespread, unless you keep the number of people you interact with very very small, you will come into contact with it. Even if you are getting deliveries, the probability that somebody in the supply chain has interacted with that and has it will be very high.
The presumption has to start from everybody has it and everything you interact with outside of your home has been contaminated.
You will be unlucky if you are infected by taking a delivery.
Are you in Germany @eristdoof? I just wondered what it feels like there.
One of the (many) positives of PB is getting a few from outside the UK.
Yes I am in Berlin. Which is not a Covid hot spot. There are 1000 official positives here from 22 thousand in Germany, and the population here is 3.5 million.
I have to say that it is hard to get a good overview, I can only talk about what I see and what I hear from my partner her family a few friends and colleagues. It seems to me that people are taking the self responsibility very seriously. I go for a bike ride each day (it is easy to keep 2m distance when on a bike). Yesterday afternoon looked like a Sunday afternoon, not many cars about, people staying at home. When going to the supermarket in the week there is much less traffic around.
One difference I percieve (but again I can't be sure on this) is that the German public are more accepting of the measures being imposed, and want to find solutions. Schools here are also closed. In GB closing the schools set of a chain reaction of "but what about exams?", "but what about children of nurses?", ... "does [insert random profession here] count as a key worker?" In Germany the reaction is more like "oh bugger the schools are shutting. We'll make sure the kids are looked after and the education dept can work out what to do about the exams".
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
It is not being selfish at all there is no reason not to go out to walk and take exercise as long as you do not get too close to others and the government advice at the moment is entirely right in allowing it.
Total and utter piffle as usual. I live in a studio flat 16 x 10 into which fits my kitchen and shower and bed and work desk so probably got less space than you and I manage to exercise perfectly well. I don't even have the benefit of a window merely a skylight. If I can manage so can you.
You don't have spout a load of drivel
You are not getting fresh air or much cardio, a handful of pushups once a day for 12 weeks doers not add much.
The government advice is you can walk outside without getting too close to others at the moment and I will listen to that not you
Government advice is to not go out unless necessary
It is perfectly possible to get all your exercise needs without going out even in a small space. Note the links others have posted
ergo going out to exercise is not necessary therefore you are breaking government advice due to your own selfishness
Government advice is to avoid essential travel and not to go to cafes, gyms, restaurants and cinemas etc (the latter also told to close).
I am not travelling beyond Epping and not going to any of those but will continue to walk to Epping Forest and back every day and do the weekly foodshop which remains essential travel. There has been no government advice against exercise outside away from others
We have just had a visit from our youngest son and his fiancee (who cancelled their august wedding yesterday) and two of our grandchildren 8 and 6.
And this is where we are so fortunate
I opened our side gate and went inside to our snug which has patio doors. The family came onto the patio and sat in the chairs and we opened one side of the patio door and stayed inside approx 3 metres from the family outside
The downside to this was that our 6 year old grandson collapsed in tears when he could not come into the snug and cuddle his grandma. Very difficult but necessary and they went after a few minutes with the 8 year olds birthday presents (birthday 26th March) left for her to collect on the patio table
It is a beautiful morning and they said they had been on the beach as a family with their dog, but kept a good distance from others but did say the beaches were busy
Looks like it is time for mandating the closure of beaches, national parks, and other open spaces plus reduction in rail services
Turns out being locked up for hours on end every day with nothing but a TV to keep you company is not easy street after all. Maybe prison reform is something else we can take a bit more seriously after this is done.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
Is that so? I thought people were being given fines for being out with no good reason in France:
There are plenty of no equipment workouts on you tube
Even in France at the moment it does
It's an excuse, not a "good reason".
Rationalise all you like, but it creates extra risk
Breathing creates extra risk if you live with others, buying food creates extra risk you can only minimise the impact of this you are not going to eliminate it for the foreseeable future, exercise taken outside at least 3m away from others as the WHO recommends again is a minimal risk activity, not activity done socially with others which would be higher risk
Just to alert you all - nhs staff or not, Tesco Abergele is now too full for anyone else to be let in to the store. Security on the door preventing entry to keep people safe.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
It is not being selfish at all there is no reason not to go out to walk and take exercise as long as you do not get too close to others and the government advice at the moment is entirely right in allowing it.
Total and utter piffle as usual. I live in a studio flat 16 x 10 into which fits my kitchen and shower and bed and work desk so probably got less space than you and I manage to exercise perfectly well. I don't even have the benefit of a window merely a skylight. If I can manage so can you.
You don't have spout a load of drivel
You are not getting fresh air or much cardio, a handful of pushups once a day for 12 weeks doers not add much.
The government advice is you can walk outside without getting too close to others at the moment and I will listen to that not you
Government advice is to not go out unless necessary
It is perfectly possible to get all your exercise needs without going out even in a small space. Note the links others have posted
ergo going out to exercise is not necessary therefore you are breaking government advice due to your own selfishness
Government advice is to avoid essential travel and not to go to cafes, gyms, restaurants and cinemas etc (the latter also told to close).
I am not travelling beyond Epping and not going to any of those but will continue to walk to Epping Forest and back every day and do the weekly foodshop which remains essential travel. There has been no government advice against exercise outside away from others
Walking to Epping forest and back is not essential travel you just proved my point.
Government advice is to avoid non essential travel
"I am walking to epping forest and back even though I don't need to"
Turns out being locked up for hours on end every day with nothing but a TV to keep you company is not easy street after all. Maybe prison reform is something else we can take a bit more seriously after this is done.
Prisons have gyms, libraries, workshops, restaurants etc.
What is being proposed at the moment is solitary confinement
Sadiq Kahn doing more in 10 minutes with Marr than the government has done in the past 6 week.
Clear message: Stay at home or people will die.
Repeat repeat repeat. Repeat repeat repeat.
Really. And how many watch Marr
He said nothing more than Boris and others have been saying on mainstream news programmes
No one. That's the problem. I'm a Conservative voter. Sadiq Kahn, Campbell, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair woild have done better.
The only person in the country who would have done worse is Jeremy Corbyn.
That is not the view in the country.
Not only polls showing Boris's popularity but more and more people are coming in behind him and also the chancellor, who is playing a key role
So many of Boris's critics would attack him no matter what he did
People rally behind the government in times of crisis unless the crisis was clearly caused by the government. Same is happening with Trump and hardly anybody thinks he's handled this well.
I think Boris is doing fine, herd immunity strategy may yet prove to have been a costly mistake but who knows time will tell.
I absolutely agree with Big G, Boris, like Trump, getting big polling numbers boost because everyone of us with a brain feel the need to rally round and get our country out this hole.
I still think when it comes the report into this will absolutely crucify this government for how they handled the start of this, unclear muddled strategy, ineffective comms, slow reaction to how it was flying in to the country and getting into the community, not enough beds and trained staff, inability to do enough testing quick enough, can’t get PPE to all who need it quickly enough, inability to realise we don’t make vital equipment we import it so won’t import it in pandemic crisis reliant on that equipment, slow with the aid to businesses and workers costing livelihoods. And still more blunders that may come, especially with the economics.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
Bollocks. You can do HIIT training in a really small area of space. Doing something like a burpie requires hardly any space at all. And all the variations of press-ups, sit-ups, planks...the list is endless.
Are there web resources you’d recommend?
I am no expert and it really depends on your level of fitness.
The BodyCoach guy, Joe Wicks, seems incredibly popular has loads and loads of free HIIT home workouts on YouTube.
Metafit and Insanity are two of the big HIIT workout programmes I do regularly through gyms. They are paid programmes, but there are free individual episodes knocking about on YouTube and are hard work.
Really though, once you have seen a load of the exercises, it isn't hard to build a circuit of a number of rounds, where you do roughly 20-30s on, 10-15s off, of say 5 exercises, then an extended rest, rinse and repeat.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
It is not being selfish at all there is no reason not to go out to walk and take exercise as long as you do not get too close to others and the government advice at the moment is entirely right in allowing it.
Total and utter piffle as usual. I live in a studio flat 16 x 10 into which fits my kitchen and shower and bed and work desk so probably got less space than you and I manage to exercise perfectly well. I don't even have the benefit of a window merely a skylight. If I can manage so can you.
My neighbour has cancelled his paper, as he has heard/read that in manufacture and printing the paper is touched several times by human hands, never mind when it is in the shop and being put onto the shelf, or delivered by the lad.
As a fifty year old...I firmly sided with young people on the Remain debate but now on Covid 19 I am a fully signed up Oldie....
Why are so many of our country, particularly the young, behaving so irresponsibly? It is insufficient to simply dismiss them as morons or idiots.
I predict a major jump in UK deaths today-a tanking on the markets tomorrow and a national lock down announced tomorrow...these are not predictions actually, they are just givens knowing now this virus works and how human's behave....
I believe the national lock down will be loosely enforced outside London- but in London after tomorrow we will something like a full blown police state begin to emerge
All the photos I have seen of the pubs show them populated by fat bald blokes in their 40s and 50s. There is a general problem here: people have been told for so long by right and left that everything government says and does is bollocks, that all experts have an undeclared agenda, that they believe it. What we are seeing now is the results of that playing out.
As a fifty year old...I firmly sided with young people on the Remain debate but now on Covid 19 I am a fully signed up Oldie....
Why are so many of our country, particularly the young, behaving so irresponsibly? It is insufficient to simply dismiss them as morons or idiots.
I predict a major jump in UK deaths today-a tanking on the markets tomorrow and a national lock down announced tomorrow...these are not predictions actually, they are just givens knowing now this virus works and how human's behave....
I believe the national lock down will be loosely enforced outside London- but in London after tomorrow we will something like a full blown police state begin to emerge
All the photos I have seen of the pubs show them populated by fat bald blokes in their 40s and 50s. There is a general problem here: people have been told for so long by right and left that everything government says and does is bollocks, that all experts have an undeclared agenda, that they believe it. What we are seeing now is the results of that playing out.
“All the photos I have seen of the pubs show them populated by fat bald blokes in their 40s and 50s. ”
Here are lots of photos that will stop that being so.
I am getting rather pissed off at the repeated claim that staying at home for 12 months is near impossible. I understand the vulnerable who live on their own, but for most people, come on, these days there is infinite amount of shit to entertain you on the tv and internet, and we can all facetime / whatsapp our friends.
How the f##k do you think people manage through years and years of the wars without any of this?
Agreed. Home delivery is the key - it makes a massive difference that I could order some hand cream today and it will arrive tomorrow...
Amazon deliveries are now out to between Wednesday and Friday here. And home working kit is very scarce.
Are they actually taking that long, though? I had two orders last Sunday, both Prime, both saying Weds-Thursday. Both were delivered on Monday.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
I have a sheepdog that would go crazy if he didn't get a good run most days. The park is busier than usual this morning
Exercising a dog probably comes under essential. Dogs can't exercise at home. People can and should.
You can take the dog out in Spain but no further than 50 meters from your home.
It takes a lot of effort, but you can exercise your dog in even a small flat/house. Lots of treat and scent based exercises, some agility, some catch, ball chasing etc.
True, and we do a lot of that on quieter days. But he is only two and without a good run a zoomie is only a matter of time
Hehe, I can imagine. Our little cockapoo is 3 and is mercifully calming down just at the right time. He is currently basking in the sun streaming through the living room window.
Our spare bedroom is my office - never have I been so grateful for a largely web based business and an IT advisor who is so forward looking. Our small business with 4 employees has IT remote working capacity for 256 users!!
Turns out being locked up for hours on end every day with nothing but a TV to keep you company is not easy street after all. Maybe prison reform is something else we can take a bit more seriously after this is done.
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion, I am definitely a weirdo. For me, past 2 weeks have flown by and personally really not finding it much of a chore. I haven't even really got stuck into any box set watching.
The most annoying habit is of media people is those who come armed with a list of questions to ask any expert. They ask the first question and the interviewee begins a coherent explanation only to be cut short by the nedia personality with the second question on his list. Even more irritating, the expert has already covered it.
Obviously the intervewer has not been listening, concentrating instead on getting the right tone into his or her voice for the following question. I may be unfair - it's just as likely that the media person is terminally stupid.
Turns out being locked up for hours on end every day with nothing but a TV to keep you company is not easy street after all. Maybe prison reform is something else we can take a bit more seriously after this is done.
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion, I am definitely a weirdo. For me, past 2 weeks have flown by and personally really not finding it much of a chore. I haven't even really got stuck into any box set watching.
Yes, my job usually takes me all over the UK and Europe. Last 14 days are probably the first two weeks in years where I haven't travelled out of the town, let alone the county. Quite enjoying it. Plowing through the paperwork, and the accounts are done 8 days ahead of schedule!
My neighbour has cancelled his paper, as he has heard/read that in manufacture and printing the paper is touched several times by human hands, never mind when it is in the shop and being put onto the shelf, or delivered by the lad.
Made me think.
How far should one go with all this?
In China and South Korea they disinfected all the currency...newspapers don't seem a great idea to me, unless you are happy reading the paper from a couple of days ago after leaving untouched.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
It is not being selfish at all there is no reason not to go out to walk and take exercise as long as you do not get too close to others and the government advice at the moment is entirely right in allowing it.
Total and utter piffle as usual. I live in a studio flat 16 x 10 into which fits my kitchen and shower and bed and work desk so probably got less space than you and I manage to exercise perfectly well. I don't even have the benefit of a window merely a skylight. If I can manage so can you.
You don't have spout a load of drivel
You are not getting fresh air or much cardio, a handful of pushups once a day for 12 weeks doers not add much.
The government advice is you can walk outside without getting too close to others at the moment and I will listen to that not you
Government advice is to not go out unless necessary
It is perfectly possible to get all your exercise needs without going out even in a small space. Note the links others have posted
ergo going out to exercise is not necessary therefore you are breaking government advice due to your own selfishness
Government advice is to avoid essential travel and not to go to cafes, gyms, restaurants and cinemas etc (the latter also told to close).
I am not travelling beyond Epping and not going to any of those but will continue to walk to Epping Forest and back every day and do the weekly foodshop which remains essential travel. There has been no government advice against exercise outside away from others
Walking to Epping forest and back is not essential travel you just proved my point.
Government advice is to avoid non essential travel
"I am walking to epping forest and back even though I don't need to"
Hold on a moment! Going for a walk is not travel.
Being responsible is the important thing here. A walk in the country is a good idea, and should not be criticised. It is easy to make sure that > 2m distance is kept with every passer by, and if there are too many people around, just head off in another direction.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
Is that so? I thought people were being given fines for being out with no good reason in France:
There are plenty of no equipment workouts on you tube
Even in France at the moment it does
It's an excuse, not a "good reason".
Rationalise all you like, but it creates extra risk
France has restricted expertise to some extent, but is it permitted within 1km of home. Italy has not banned it yet, either. Providing you are not stupid, and completely avoid mixing with others (2m separation), then the extra risk is likely minimal, both to you and to others.
The ‘stupid’ bit is the problem, as people travel to their favourite places and congregate there.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
It is not being selfish at all there is no reason not to go out to walk and take exercise as long as you do not get too close to others and the government advice at the moment is entirely right in allowing it.
Total and utter piffle as usual. I live in a studio flat 16 x 10 into which fits my kitchen and shower and bed and work desk so probably got less space than you and I manage to exercise perfectly well. I don't even have the benefit of a window merely a skylight. If I can manage so can you.
You don't have spout a load of drivel
You are not getting fresh air or much cardio, a handful of pushups once a day for 12 weeks doers not add much.
The government advice is you can walk outside without getting too close to others at the moment and I will listen to that not you
Government advice is to not go out unless necessary
It is perfectly possible to get all your exercise needs without going out even in a small space. Note the links others have posted
ergo going out to exercise is not necessary therefore you are breaking government advice due to your own selfishness
Government advice is to avoid essential travel and not to go to cafes, gyms, restaurants and cinemas etc (the latter also told to close).
I am not travelling beyond Epping and not going to any of those but will continue to walk to Epping Forest and back every day and do the weekly foodshop which remains essential travel. There has been no government advice against exercise outside away from others
Walking to Epping forest and back is not essential travel you just proved my point.
Government advice is to avoid non essential travel
"I am walking to epping forest and back even though I don't need to"
I do need it for fresh air as well as exercise and will continue to do so in accordance with WHO current advice that you can take exercise outside but stay at least 3m away from others
Turns out being locked up for hours on end every day with nothing but a TV to keep you company is not easy street after all. Maybe prison reform is something else we can take a bit more seriously after this is done.
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion, I am definitely a weirdo. For me, past 2 weeks have flown by and personally really not finding it much of a chore. I haven't even really got stuck into any box set watching.
Whilst I am as happy to pile into HYUFD as the next man, some of the criticism he is getting here is ridiculous. Government guidance is to practice social distancing, avoid going out unnecessarily, and pay particular attention when coming into contact with elderly and at risk groups. It is not to practice extreme self lockdown/isolation in the absence of any symptoms. If everyone followed this guidance then we would never move to any more extreme lockdown scenarios and if it does happen it will not be because people are going for solitary walks to get fresh air and exercise. To think that people can stay cooped up for weeks on end, some in tiny flats and with little in the way of physical or mental stimulation, without severe impacts in the mental and physical wellbeing of the nation is nonsense. Whatever videos are available on YouTube (and it may be news but not everyone has internet). Not to mention the serious problems that will inevitably rise from domestic physical and mental violence.
The ones who are being selfish and putting everyone in greater jeopardy are not those following and obeying Government guidance (as HYUFD says he is). They are those who aren’t.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
It is not being selfish at all there is no reason not to go out to walk and take exercise as long as you do not get too close to others and the government advice at the moment is entirely right in allowing it.
Total and utter piffle as usual. I live in a studio flat 16 x 10 into which fits my kitchen and shower and bed and work desk so probably got less space than you and I manage to exercise perfectly well. I don't even have the benefit of a window merely a skylight. If I can manage so can you.
You don't have spout a load of drivel
You are not getting fresh air or much cardio, a handful of pushups once a day for 12 weeks doers not add much.
The government advice is you can walk outside without getting too close to others at the moment and I will listen to that not you
Government advice is to not go out unless necessary
It is perfectly possible to get all your exercise needs without going out even in a small space. Note the links others have posted
ergo going out to exercise is not necessary therefore you are breaking government advice due to your own selfishness
Government advice is to avoid essential travel and not to go to cafes, gyms, restaurants and cinemas etc (the latter also told to close).
I am not travelling beyond Epping and not going to any of those but will continue to walk to Epping Forest and back every day and do the weekly foodshop which remains essential travel. There has been no government advice against exercise outside away from others
Walking to Epping forest and back is not essential travel you just proved my point.
Government advice is to avoid non essential travel
"I am walking to epping forest and back even though I don't need to"
Hold on a moment! Going for a walk is not travel.
Being responsible is the important thing here. A walk in the country is a good idea, and should not be criticised. It is easy to make sure that > 2m distance is kept with every passer by, and if there are too many people around, just head off in another direction.
Exactly, if the government imposes solitary confinement too quickly its attempt to control this will collapse very quickly especially without police and army support. Fresh air taken not too close to others is entirely reasonable
I would guess the reason why the young are being so reckless is that for the last 2 months everyone has told them that there wasn't any problem and that they should carry on doing what they are doing.
Turns out being locked up for hours on end every day with nothing but a TV to keep you company is not easy street after all. Maybe prison reform is something else we can take a bit more seriously after this is done.
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion, I am definitely a weirdo. For me, past 2 weeks have flown by and personally really not finding it much of a chore. I haven't even really got stuck into any box set watching.
Yes, my job usually takes me all over the UK and Europe. Last 14 days are probably the first two weeks in years where I haven't travelled out of the town, let alone the county. Quite enjoying it. Plowing through the paperwork, and the accounts are done 8 days ahead of schedule!
Obviously it does help if you have work to do. But with t'interweb, so many opportunities to work on new projects, learn new skills, be creative and paint / draw / make things.
You could learn to programme in Python or how to play all Radiohead's greatest hits....
My neighbour has cancelled his paper, as he has heard/read that in manufacture and printing the paper is touched several times by human hands, never mind when it is in the shop and being put onto the shelf, or delivered by the lad.
Made me think.
How far should one go with all this?
Not that far! Read Dr Phil Hammond of Private Eye ... and Twitter. Usually well-balanced. Hammond reckons that the extra handwashing we've learned and the reduced air pollution will save more lives than the virus takes. Hard to argue with. (The only problem is that it might be different lives.)
BTW I hope Isam has resolved the problem he'd got into. An amusing example of what not to do in your spare time, especially if you need the fire brigade or paramedics.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
It is not being selfish at all there is no reason not to go out to walk and take exercise as long as you do not get too close to others and the government advice at the moment is entirely right in allowing it.
Total and utter piffle as usual. I live in a studio flat 16 x 10 into which fits my kitchen and shower and bed and work desk so probably got less space than you and I manage to exercise perfectly well. I don't even have the benefit of a window merely a skylight. If I can manage so can you.
You don't have spout a load of drivel
You are not getting fresh air or much cardio, a handful of pushups once a day for 12 weeks doers not add much.
The government advice is you can walk outside without getting too close to others at the moment and I will listen to that not you
Government advice is to not go out unless necessary
It is perfectly possible to get all your exercise needs without going out even in a small space. Note the links others have posted
ergo going out to exercise is not necessary therefore you are breaking government advice due to your own selfishness
Government advice is to avoid essential travel and not to go to cafes, gyms, restaurants and cinemas etc (the latter also told to close).
I am not travelling beyond Epping and not going to any of those but will continue to walk to Epping Forest and back every day and do the weekly foodshop which remains essential travel. There has been no government advice against exercise outside away from others
Walking to Epping forest and back is not essential travel you just proved my point.
Government advice is to avoid non essential travel
"I am walking to epping forest and back even though I don't need to"
Hold on a moment! Going for a walk is not travel.
Being responsible is the important thing here. A walk in the country is a good idea, and should not be criticised. It is easy to make sure that > 2m distance is kept with every passer by, and if there are too many people around, just head off in another direction.
And all the things you unconsciously touch along the way then others come along and touch?
The quickest way to end this is to cut transmission. Sorry every trip out brings a chance of transmission no matter how small and how much distance. Those of us cutting down our outside travel to the bare essentials to help end this as early as possible are being let down by those who think their leisure needs which is what a walk to Epping forest most definitely is.
We have just had a visit from our youngest son and his fiancee (who cancelled their august wedding yesterday) and two of our grandchildren 8 and 6.
And this is where we are so fortunate
I opened our side gate and went inside to our snug which has patio doors. The family came onto the patio and sat in the chairs and we opened one side of the patio door and stayed inside approx 3 metres from the family outside
The downside to this was that our 6 year old grandson collapsed in tears when he could not come into the snug and cuddle his grandma. Very difficult but necessary and they went after a few minutes with the 8 year olds birthday presents (birthday 26th March) left for her to collect on the patio table
It is a beautiful morning and they said they had been on the beach as a family with their dog, but kept a good distance from others but did say the beaches were busy
Looks like it is time for mandating the closure of beaches, national parks, and other open spaces plus reduction in rail services
Gald you were able to that. Helps, doesn't it,although can understand the little one's distress. And Grandma's We're getting no visits; elder son is worried about being about himself, but has phoned and younger son..... and his family..... are big on theFacteime.
Had a long chat with teacher grandson, who, it appears, is rather relishing the challenges of being computer lead for the junior school where he works, and his sister, who lives in Leeds, says shops seem normal again.
Turns out being locked up for hours on end every day with nothing but a TV to keep you company is not easy street after all. Maybe prison reform is something else we can take a bit more seriously after this is done.
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion, I am definitely a weirdo. For me, past 2 weeks have flown by and personally really not finding it much of a chore. I haven't even really got stuck into any box set watching.
I work from home a lot of the time anyway, so up to now it has not been a big deal for me either. But we are only at the start of this. Let's see how we all feel in a couple of months' time! My kids - whi are all back with us now - are going up the wall!!
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
It is not being selfish at all there is no reason not to go out to walk and take exercise as long as you do not get too close to others and the government advice at the moment is entirely right in allowing it.
Total and utter piffle as usual. I live in a studio flat 16 x 10 into which fits my kitchen and shower and bed and work desk so probably got less space than you and I manage to exercise perfectly well. I don't even have the benefit of a window merely a skylight. If I can manage so can you.
You don't have spout a load of drivel
You are not getting fresh air or much cardio, a handful of pushups once a day for 12 weeks doers not add much.
The government advice is you can walk outside without getting too close to others at the moment and I will listen to that not you
Government advice is to not go out unless necessary
It is perfectly possible to get all your exercise needs without going out even in a small space. Note the links others have posted
ergo going out to exercise is not necessary therefore you are breaking government advice due to your own selfishness
Government advice is to avoid essential travel and not to go to cafes, gyms, restaurants and cinemas etc (the latter also told to close).
I am not travelling beyond Epping and not going to any of those but will continue to walk to Epping Forest and back every day and do the weekly foodshop which remains essential travel. There has been no government advice against exercise outside away from others
Walking to Epping forest and back is not essential travel you just proved my point.
Government advice is to avoid non essential travel
"I am walking to epping forest and back even though I don't need to"
I do need it for fresh air as well as exercise and will continue to do so in accordance with WHO current advice that you can take exercise outside but stay at least 3m away from others
The advice you should take is HMG fronted by Boris
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
Bollocks. You can do HIIT training in a really small area of space. Doing something like a burpie requires hardly any space at all. And all the variations of press-ups, sit-ups, planks...the list is endless.
Are there web resources you’d recommend?
I highly recommend the BodyweightFitness Reddit & their recommended routine (see the sidebar of that Reddit).
We have just had a visit from our youngest son and his fiancee (who cancelled their august wedding yesterday) and two of our grandchildren 8 and 6.
I'm sorry to heare the wedding has been postponed. Can I ask why at such an early stage they have cancelled? I'm interested because my neice is getting married in Cambridge in July. I had assumed that they would wait until at least the "into the summer prognosis" became a bit clearer, before making any decision.
I see a lot of people criticising others for being stupid and socialising/congregating/going out in what they perceive risky ways
I see a lot of the same people saying I can't see how I could catch it just going out for a walk where is the harm in that.
The thinking for both sets of actions however is the same "I can't see the harm"
Just saying
If you cannot see the difference between taking a walk whilst socially distancing or meeting up and socialising with friends....I can draw you a picture if you like..
Indeed, even in France and Italy you can still go out for a walk and exercise provided you keep a few metres from others, if people don't get any exercise they will end up even worse both physically and mentally
People can exercise perfectly well at home, they choose not to because they want to go out so it really isn't an excuse its being selfish and putting others at unnecessary risk. I am sure France and Italy will soon follow Spain in saying its not a legitimate reason to be out.
If you are in a 1 bed flat as I am then no you cannot 'exercise perfectly well at home', you don't have a garden either.
It is not being selfish at all there is no reason not to go out to walk and take exercise as long as you do not get too close to others and the government advice at the moment is entirely right in allowing it.
Total and utter piffle as usual. I live in a studio flat 16 x 10 into which fits my kitchen and shower and bed and work desk so probably got less space than you and I manage to exercise perfectly well. I don't even have the benefit of a window merely a skylight. If I can manage so can you.
I would guess the reason why the young are being so reckless is that for the last 2 months everyone has told them that there wasn't any problem and that they should carry on doing what they are doing.
How different would the public’s behaviour have been had the virus not affected the old, but been deadly to the young? Very I’d say
Whilst I am as happy to pile into HYUFD as the next man, some of the criticism he is getting here is ridiculous. Government guidance is to practice social distancing, avoid going out unnecessarily, and pay particular attention when coming into contact with elderly and at risk groups. It is not to practice extreme self lockdown/isolation in the absence of any symptoms. If everyone followed this guidance then we would never move to any more extreme lockdown scenarios and if it does happen it will not be because people are going for solitary walks to get fresh air and exercise. To think that people can stay cooped up for weeks on end, some in tiny flats and with little in the way of physical or mental stimulation, without severe impacts in the mental and physical wellbeing of the nation is nonsense. Whatever videos are available on YouTube (and it may be news but not everyone has internet). Not to mention the serious problems that will inevitably rise from domestic physical and mental violence.
The ones who are being selfish and putting everyone in greater jeopardy are not those following and obeying Government guidance (as HYUFD says he is). They are those who aren’t.
I am sure Boris's advice was that if you get frustrated indoors you could work it off by logging on to PB and having a go at HY? Or maybe that was IDS'S advice, I forget.
Turns out being locked up for hours on end every day with nothing but a TV to keep you company is not easy street after all. Maybe prison reform is something else we can take a bit more seriously after this is done.
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion, I am definitely a weirdo. For me, past 2 weeks have flown by and personally really not finding it much of a chore. I haven't even really got stuck into any box set watching.
I work from home a lot of the time anyway, so up to now it has not been a big deal for me either. But we are only at the start of this. Let's see how we all feel in a couple of months' time! My kids - whi are all back with us now - are going up the wall!!
I can imagine those with kids of a certain age, that will be the hardest, although most of my friends who have kids already complain they regularly lose theirs for weeks on end as they refuse to stop playing Fortnite morning, noon and night.
We have just had a visit from our youngest son and his fiancee (who cancelled their august wedding yesterday) and two of our grandchildren 8 and 6.
And this is where we are so fortunate
I opened our side gate and went inside to our snug which has patio doors. The family came onto the patio and sat in the chairs and we opened one side of the patio door and stayed inside approx 3 metres from the family outside
The downside to this was that our 6 year old grandson collapsed in tears when he could not come into the snug and cuddle his grandma. Very difficult but necessary and they went after a few minutes with the 8 year olds birthday presents (birthday 26th March) left for her to collect on the patio table
It is a beautiful morning and they said they had been on the beach as a family with their dog, but kept a good distance from others but did say the beaches were busy
Looks like it is time for mandating the closure of beaches, national parks, and other open spaces plus reduction in rail services
Gald you were able to that. Helps, doesn't it,although can understand the little one's distress. And Grandma's We're getting no visits; elder son is worried about being about himself, but has phoned and younger son..... and his family..... are big on theFacteime.
Had a long chat with teacher grandson, who, it appears, is rather relishing the challenges of being computer lead for the junior school where he works, and his sister, who lives in Leeds, says shops seem normal again.
Yes we are fortunate the way our garden and patio is set up but the distress is hard to take but in the end does not compare to our grandchildren losing the grandparents they so adore.
Our daughter and family are in 14 day quarantine following my granddaughter's 38 plus temperature and feeling just rottem
Just to alert you all - nhs staff or not, Tesco Abergele is now too full for anyone else to be let in to the store. Security on the door preventing entry to keep people safe.
I just sauntered down to Tesco Linwood and bought some shopping including a 79p loaf. No queues at the checkouts. What is rather unsettling is the fact I am 3 miles form Glasgow Airport and there are no planes taking off/landing.
Whilst I am as happy to pile into HYUFD as the next man, some of the criticism he is getting here is ridiculous. Government guidance is to practice social distancing, avoid going out unnecessarily, and pay particular attention when coming into contact with elderly and at risk groups. It is not to practice extreme self lockdown/isolation in the absence of any symptoms. If everyone followed this guidance then we would never move to any more extreme lockdown scenarios and if it does happen it will not be because people are going for solitary walks to get fresh air and exercise. To think that people can stay cooped up for weeks on end, some in tiny flats and with little in the way of physical or mental stimulation, without severe impacts in the mental and physical wellbeing of the nation is nonsense. Whatever videos are available on YouTube (and it may be news but not everyone has internet). Not to mention the serious problems that will inevitably rise from domestic physical and mental violence.
The ones who are being selfish and putting everyone in greater jeopardy are not those following and obeying Government guidance (as HYUFD says he is). They are those who aren’t.
Well I am giving him stick mainly because as usual he came on here with drivel about how it wasn't possible to exercise in a one bedroom flat. The trouble is and this isn't pointed particularly at anyone is that people see others doing say a walk in the countryside, so they think well I will just go for a bike ride with the family, then someone sees them and thinks oh I should be fine just meeting up with friends for a bike ride, each group pushing the boundaries a little further till we end up with some of the photo's here.
Eventually the government is forced to do more draconian lockdowns and we end up having to fill out forms to go to the shop
Turns out being locked up for hours on end every day with nothing but a TV to keep you company is not easy street after all. Maybe prison reform is something else we can take a bit more seriously after this is done.
Prisons have gyms, libraries, workshops, restaurants etc.
What is being proposed at the moment is solitary confinement
Actually what rules are being implemented in prisons in terms of gyms association etc?
Turns out being locked up for hours on end every day with nothing but a TV to keep you company is not easy street after all. Maybe prison reform is something else we can take a bit more seriously after this is done.
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion, I am definitely a weirdo. For me, past 2 weeks have flown by and personally really not finding it much of a chore. I haven't even really got stuck into any box set watching.
Maybe PB is responsible for that !!!
:-) ...I actually need to cut down on here, I told myself I really want to take the opportunity to work on a couple of ideas and need to really focus on reading up on some academic material and seeing if I can implement them.
Turns out being locked up for hours on end every day with nothing but a TV to keep you company is not easy street after all. Maybe prison reform is something else we can take a bit more seriously after this is done.
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion, I am definitely a weirdo. For me, past 2 weeks have flown by and personally really not finding it much of a chore. I haven't even really got stuck into any box set watching.
I work from home a lot of the time anyway, so up to now it has not been a big deal for me either. But we are only at the start of this. Let's see how we all feel in a couple of months' time! My kids - whi are all back with us now - are going up the wall!!
I can imagine those with kids of a certain age, that will be the hardest, although most of my friends who have kids already complain they regularly lose theirs for weeks on end as they refuse to stop playing Fortnite morning, noon and night.
16 yr old gtandson isn't happy as his school has now closed down, as has the place where he has a weekend job. He's also worried about his father, in a risk group,, and both sets of grandparents.
We have just had a visit from our youngest son and his fiancee (who cancelled their august wedding yesterday) and two of our grandchildren 8 and 6.
And this is where we are so fortunate
I opened our side gate and went inside to our snug which has patio doors. The family came onto the patio and sat in the chairs and we opened one side of the patio door and stayed inside approx 3 metres from the family outside
The downside to this was that our 6 year old grandson collapsed in tears when he could not come into the snug and cuddle his grandma. Very difficult but necessary and they went after a few minutes with the 8 year olds birthday presents (birthday 26th March) left for her to collect on the patio table
It is a beautiful morning and they said they had been on the beach as a family with their dog, but kept a good distance from others but did say the beaches were busy
Looks like it is time for mandating the closure of beaches, national parks, and other open spaces plus reduction in rail services
Gald you were able to that. Helps, doesn't it,although can understand the little one's distress. And Grandma's We're getting no visits; elder son is worried about being about himself, but has phoned and younger son..... and his family..... are big on theFacteime.
Had a long chat with teacher grandson, who, it appears, is rather relishing the challenges of being computer lead for the junior school where he works, and his sister, who lives in Leeds, says shops seem normal again.
Yes we are fortunate the way our garden and patio is set up but the distress is hard to take but in the end does not compare to our grandchildren losing the grandparents they so adore.
Our daughter and family are in 14 day quarantine following my granddaughter's 38 plus temperature and feeling just rottem
What the stats don’t say is how many people have been tested more than once/are being test repeatedly. Basically all the testing data is largely useless and acting as something of a space filler until deaths and hospitalisations reach critical and statistically significant levels.
I also think the authorities may be content with pushing test figures because the numbers at present sound bigger and scarier so are hopefully better for reinforcing their messages.
We have just had a visit from our youngest son and his fiancee (who cancelled their august wedding yesterday) and two of our grandchildren 8 and 6.
I'm sorry to heare the wedding has been postponed. Can I ask why at such an early stage they have cancelled? I'm interested because my neice is getting married in Cambridge in July. I had assumed that they would wait until at least the "into the summer prognosis" became a bit clearer, before making any decision.
Their wedding was for the 22nd August but the Church is restricting the congregation to 5 and now the hotel is going to close, cancelling all the receptions. It does look like a lot of weddings are being cancelled and they have managed to re - book for the 31st July 2021 but 2021 dates are being taken up fast due to all the cancellations
Turns out being locked up for hours on end every day with nothing but a TV to keep you company is not easy street after all. Maybe prison reform is something else we can take a bit more seriously after this is done.
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion, I am definitely a weirdo. For me, past 2 weeks have flown by and personally really not finding it much of a chore. I haven't even really got stuck into any box set watching.
I work from home a lot of the time anyway, so up to now it has not been a big deal for me either. But we are only at the start of this. Let's see how we all feel in a couple of months' time! My kids - whi are all back with us now - are going up the wall!!
I can imagine those with kids of a certain age, that will be the hardest, although most of my friends who have kids already complain they regularly lose theirs for weeks on end as they refuse to stop playing Fortnite morning, noon and night.
Having a four month old means it’s no different to any other day. Probably the best time to be confined with them
Turns out being locked up for hours on end every day with nothing but a TV to keep you company is not easy street after all. Maybe prison reform is something else we can take a bit more seriously after this is done.
Prisons have gyms, libraries, workshops, restaurants etc.
What is being proposed at the moment is solitary confinement
Actually what rules are being implemented in prisons in terms of gyms association etc?
People are in prison as punishment, so if we innocent folk are finding it tough to be confined, it might serve as a reminder to obey the law
There is also, of course, a significant difference between being able to maintain a 3m distance from everyone in a big city, and elsewhere.
The problem is when you start to try to give a message of nuance and common sense, all the tw@ts convince themselves they are definitely exempt form the rules for some spurious reason.
We have just had a visit from our youngest son and his fiancee (who cancelled their august wedding yesterday) and two of our grandchildren 8 and 6.
I'm sorry to heare the wedding has been postponed. Can I ask why at such an early stage they have cancelled? I'm interested because my neice is getting married in Cambridge in July. I had assumed that they would wait until at least the "into the summer prognosis" became a bit clearer, before making any decision.
Their wedding was for the 22nd August but the Church is restricting the congregation to 5 and now the hotel is going to close, cancelling all the receptions. It does look like a lot of weddings are being cancelled and they have managed to re - book for the 31st July 2021 but 2021 dates are being taken up fast due to all the cancellations
Surely we'll be closer to normal by August!
Given the need to stay at home, I'm rather anticipating a heavy demand on maternity services early next year.
Repellent a concept as it is, HYUFD is talking sense. Walking / running in fresh air with no other people around is not creating risk of passing on or contracting CV19
We are on the same road as Italy at the moment. The government really is not doing enough, by the time they act it will be too late. Anyone in government reading this, get your finger out!
We have just had a visit from our youngest son and his fiancee (who cancelled their august wedding yesterday) and two of our grandchildren 8 and 6.
I'm sorry to heare the wedding has been postponed. Can I ask why at such an early stage they have cancelled? I'm interested because my neice is getting married in Cambridge in July. I had assumed that they would wait until at least the "into the summer prognosis" became a bit clearer, before making any decision.
Their wedding was for the 22nd August but the Church is restricting the congregation to 5 and now the hotel is going to close, cancelling all the receptions. It does look like a lot of weddings are being cancelled and they have managed to re - book for the 31st July 2021 but 2021 dates are being taken up fast due to all the cancellations
Surely we'll be closer to normal by August!
Given the need to stay at home, I'm rather anticipating a heavy demand on maternity services early next year.
You would think so but the lockdown and financial cost to so many makes an August wedding difficult but the church restrictions and hotel closing makes it an easier decision
I agree with your last paragraph but we will not be responsible for that
And we are lighting a candle of hope at 7.00pm tonight as requested by the churches
Repellent a concept as it is, HYUFD is talking sense. Walking / running in fresh air with no other people around is not creating risk of passing on or contracting CV19
So when the uk locks down as tight as Spain and says exercise isn't a reason to be out you will be rejecting that advice?
People out touch stuff. People see others doing things and push boundaries because "it's no worse than what others are doing and I am a special case". Saw it yesterday when I had to go out to shop. People out walking and stopping for a sit down on a bench to watch the world go by for a bit because they are glad to be out the house.
In a typical year there are 5-600k deaths in a year in the UK. Has anyone attempted to collate figures showing how daily reported deaths this year compares to similar in previous years. Or, as it would clearly be materially insignificant in the UK at the moment, tried to do the same in eg. Italy?
It is very difficult, frankly, to get a real understanding of the scale of this, even taking on board anecdotal reports from hospitals, without knowing this.
What are peoples at home plans? I did kettlebells before, but plan to take it up again, emerging from isolation with the body of a Greek God. Anyone taking up an instrument, learning to knit, becoming a chef etc.?
We haven't left our 1 bed flat in a week now and we are fine. The idea people absolutely need to go out for a bit of exercise is just complete nonsense. Front line health workers risk dying every day trying to fight this and idiots who really don't need to do anything more than sit indoors and watch Netflix can't manage that. In France it seems like they will soon make the penalty for breaking lockdown a 6 month jail sentence.
Repellent a concept as it is, HYUFD is talking sense. Walking / running in fresh air with no other people around is not creating risk of passing on or contracting CV19
So when the uk locks down as tight as Spain and says exercise isn't a reason to be out you will be rejecting that advice?
People out touch stuff. People see others doing things and push boundaries because "it's no worse than what others are doing and I am a special case". Saw it yesterday when I had to go out to shop. People out walking and stopping for a sit down on a bench to watch the world go by for a bit because they are glad to be out the house.
If this disease is spread, as seems very likely to me, by air-conditioning, being outside is much better than being inside in some circumstances.
What are peoples at home plans? I did kettlebells before, but plan to take it up again, emerging from isolation with the body of a Greek God. Anyone taking up an instrument, learning to knit, becoming a chef etc.?
I do crunches,star jumps, press ups , jog on the spot, curls etc and a couple of half hour sessions of beat saber every day though my Greek God days are probably long in the past.
Repellent a concept as it is, HYUFD is talking sense. Walking / running in fresh air with no other people around is not creating risk of passing on or contracting CV19
So when the uk locks down as tight as Spain and says exercise isn't a reason to be out you will be rejecting that advice?
People out touch stuff. People see others doing things and push boundaries because "it's no worse than what others are doing and I am a special case". Saw it yesterday when I had to go out to shop. People out walking and stopping for a sit down on a bench to watch the world go by for a bit because they are glad to be out the house.
When we get locked down as tight as Spain we will be able to leave the house to go and shop. When you shop you touch a whole load of stuff. In an air-conditioned indoor environment with people close by. When I run I touch nothing, outdoors, with no people close by.
If they say they'll fine me for running I won't run. But from a risk perspective I know where the risk lies. And it isn't me running outdoors away from people...
Another thing I would do re comms if I was the government, ask a load of the popular social media influencer types to repeat the key messages and make it clear how it can be serious even for young people. They don't need to lose their cred by "working for the Tories", they can easily do it in a non-partisan way.
A lot of the celeb/social influencer output on the subject has been utter bilge.
Also, while I do think that mental health is vitally important and that people will be affected by isolation, I worry that it's so "on trend" at the moment that more of the messaging from the slebosphere is focused on that ("look after yourselves", "be kind", "it's okay to feel down", "talk to each other" etc etc) than on STAY AT HOME AND REMAIN INDOORS OR YOU ARE GOING TO KILL PEOPLE.
In a way it's probably a good thing that slebs haven't been doling out that much health advice because chances are they'd get a lot wrong and be a major conduit of misinformation. Moreover things are so fast-moving that some pieces of advice are changing within days, and a week-old sleb video still doing the rounds giving e.g. the wrong isolation period rules could be quite damaging. I guess this is why HMG prefer to maintain more central control of their health messaging. Still, wouldn't hurt for the more timeless advice ("here's how to wash your hands", "don't go and visit your elderly relatives", "PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE SO STOP SPREADING THIS STUFF, YOU NEED TO PLAY YOUR PART") to be being sent through the youth-oriented modern channels of communication in the same way that consumer-goods firms do? The more closely HMG were to work with slebs/influencers, chances are the less misinformation they'll spread.
Also how come the Tory party - which while well-funded has nothing like the financial might of the British state behind it - was able to saturate the internet just before the December GE, but the government in a time of crisis and with a clear health message to broadcast has not managed to? It shouldn't be possible to watch 15 minutes of commercial TV, an hour of BBC (there are gaps between shows where public info messages could fit), or 3 youtube vids without being accosted by "wash your hands", "this is how long you need to isolate for if someone in your household has a cough", "this is when to call 111 and this is when to call 999, don't go to your GP" etc. In fact the best presentations I've seen of the government's health advice was probably in a 15-second slideshow of infographics that Sky News has put on rotation arounds its ad breaks (though IIRC it only lists one metre for the distancing advice, which I'm sure is at odds with what the government wants). Why can't HMG do this?
It's now much clearer to me why we had a Ministry of "Information"/Propaganda in the wars and, given the idiots out there, why we had censorship...
Repellent a concept as it is, HYUFD is talking sense. Walking / running in fresh air with no other people around is not creating risk of passing on or contracting CV19
So when the uk locks down as tight as Spain and says exercise isn't a reason to be out you will be rejecting that advice?
People out touch stuff. People see others doing things and push boundaries because "it's no worse than what others are doing and I am a special case". Saw it yesterday when I had to go out to shop. People out walking and stopping for a sit down on a bench to watch the world go by for a bit because they are glad to be out the house.
If the Govt introduces those rules then those are the rules we will have to follow. But they won’t be doing it because of people going for solitary walks, even if they are caught up in it as a result.
And as pointed out, France and Italy haven’t even done that now. But apparently Spain is the new beacon of best practice.
In a typical year there are 5-600k deaths in a year in the UK. Has anyone attempted to collate figures showing how daily reported deaths this year compares to similar in previous years. Or, as it would clearly be materially insignificant in the UK at the moment, tried to do the same in eg. Italy?
It is very difficult, frankly, to get a real understanding of the scale of this, even taking on board anecdotal reports from hospitals, without knowing this.
At 1,500 normal daily deaths the virus is still in the soundings, just
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The government advice is you can walk outside without getting too close to others at the moment and I will listen to that not you
Joshua Brown went off to town on the six twenty one, but he is working from home now, and he’s looking after his mum. So who do you think you are kidding Covid 19, if you think old England’s done.
It is perfectly possible to get all your exercise needs without going out even in a small space. Note the links others have posted
ergo going out to exercise is not necessary therefore you are breaking government advice due to your own selfishness
Rationalise all you like, but it creates extra risk
I have to say that it is hard to get a good overview, I can only talk about what I see and what I hear from my partner her family a few friends and colleagues. It seems to me that people are taking the self responsibility very seriously. I go for a bike ride each day (it is easy to keep 2m distance when on a bike). Yesterday afternoon looked like a Sunday afternoon, not many cars about, people staying at home. When going to the supermarket in the week there is much less traffic around.
One difference I percieve (but again I can't be sure on this) is that the German public are more accepting of the measures being imposed, and want to find solutions. Schools here are also closed. In GB closing the schools set of a chain reaction of "but what about exams?", "but what about children of nurses?", ... "does [insert random profession here] count as a key worker?"
In Germany the reaction is more like "oh bugger the schools are shutting. We'll make sure the kids are looked after and the education dept can work out what to do about the exams".
I am not travelling beyond Epping and not going to any of those but will continue to walk to Epping Forest and back every day and do the weekly foodshop which remains essential travel. There has been no government advice against exercise outside away from others
And this is where we are so fortunate
I opened our side gate and went inside to our snug which has patio doors. The family came onto the patio and sat in the chairs and we opened one side of the patio door and stayed inside approx 3 metres from the family outside
The downside to this was that our 6 year old grandson collapsed in tears when he could not come into the snug and cuddle his grandma. Very difficult but necessary and they went after a few minutes with the 8 year olds birthday presents (birthday 26th March) left for her to collect on the patio table
It is a beautiful morning and they said they had been on the beach as a family with their dog, but kept a good distance from others but did say the beaches were busy
Looks like it is time for mandating the closure of beaches, national parks, and other open spaces plus reduction in rail services
Government advice is to avoid non essential travel
"I am walking to epping forest and back even though I don't need to"
What is being proposed at the moment is solitary confinement
I still think when it comes the report into this will absolutely crucify this government for how they handled the start of this, unclear muddled strategy, ineffective comms, slow reaction to how it was flying in to the country and getting into the community, not enough beds and trained staff, inability to do enough testing quick enough, can’t get PPE to all who need it quickly enough, inability to realise we don’t make vital equipment we import it so won’t import it in pandemic crisis reliant on that equipment, slow with the aid to businesses and workers costing livelihoods. And still more blunders that may come, especially with the economics.
The BodyCoach guy, Joe Wicks, seems incredibly popular has loads and loads of free HIIT home workouts on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/user/thebodycoach1
Harder than that, I see that an F45 affiliate is doing daily workouts,
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEPIGm_kc0W1XOUZGS3wlkA
Metafit and Insanity are two of the big HIIT workout programmes I do regularly through gyms. They are paid programmes, but there are free individual episodes knocking about on YouTube and are hard work.
Really though, once you have seen a load of the exercises, it isn't hard to build a circuit of a number of rounds, where you do roughly 20-30s on, 10-15s off, of say 5 exercises, then an extended rest, rinse and repeat.
Made me think.
How far should one go with all this?
Here are lots of photos that will stop that being so.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11220599/brits-hit-pubs-plea-coronavirus/
Our spare bedroom is my office - never have I been so grateful for a largely web based business and an IT advisor who is so forward looking. Our small business with 4 employees has IT remote working capacity for 256 users!!
Obviously the intervewer has not been listening, concentrating instead on getting the right tone into his or her voice for the following question. I may be unfair - it's just as likely that the media person is terminally stupid.
Just read it on the t'interweb instead.
Going for a walk is not travel.
Being responsible is the important thing here. A walk in the country is a good idea, and should not be criticised. It is easy to make sure that > 2m distance is kept with every passer by, and if there are too many people around, just head off in another direction.
Providing you are not stupid, and completely avoid mixing with others (2m separation), then the extra risk is likely minimal, both to you and to others.
The ‘stupid’ bit is the problem, as people travel to their favourite places and congregate there.
The ones who are being selfish and putting everyone in greater jeopardy are not those following and obeying Government guidance (as HYUFD says he is). They are those who aren’t.
The real tragedy of Johnson passing is that I'm not going to be able to go out to get my dancing shoes re-heeled.
You could learn to programme in Python or how to play all Radiohead's greatest hits....
BTW I hope Isam has resolved the problem he'd got into. An amusing example of what not to do in your spare time, especially if you need the fire brigade or paramedics.
The quickest way to end this is to cut transmission. Sorry every trip out brings a chance of transmission no matter how small and how much distance. Those of us cutting down our outside travel to the bare essentials to help end this as early as possible are being let down by those who think their leisure needs which is what a walk to Epping forest most definitely is.
We're getting no visits; elder son is worried about being about himself, but has phoned and younger son..... and his family..... are big on theFacteime.
Had a long chat with teacher grandson, who, it appears, is rather relishing the challenges of being computer lead for the junior school where he works, and his sister, who lives in Leeds, says shops seem normal again.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/
https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/wiki/kb/recommended_routine
Our daughter and family are in 14 day quarantine following my granddaughter's 38 plus temperature and feeling just rottem
All the best to you and your family and keep safe
What is rather unsettling is the fact I am 3 miles form Glasgow Airport and there are no planes taking off/landing.
Eventually the government is forced to do more draconian lockdowns and we end up having to fill out forms to go to the shop
He's also worried about his father, in a risk group,, and both sets of grandparents.
Correction: misread it a bit, but point still stand - it’s a lot in those two countries.
I also think the authorities may be content with pushing test figures because the numbers at present sound bigger and scarier so are hopefully better for reinforcing their messages.
My social contact these days is strictly limited to voice apps, skype for 1 to 1. Discord/mumble/teamspeak for group gatherings.
I also do a lot of communal stuff online such as board games/ mmo style games etc
Given the need to stay at home, I'm rather anticipating a heavy demand on maternity services early next year.
I agree with your last paragraph but we will not be responsible for that
And we are lighting a candle of hope at 7.00pm tonight as requested by the churches
People out touch stuff. People see others doing things and push boundaries because "it's no worse than what others are doing and I am a special case". Saw it yesterday when I had to go out to shop. People out walking and stopping for a sit down on a bench to watch the world go by for a bit because they are glad to be out the house.
It is very difficult, frankly, to get a real understanding of the scale of this, even taking on board anecdotal reports from hospitals, without knowing this.
https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1241702863530799104?s=21
If they say they'll fine me for running I won't run. But from a risk perspective I know where the risk lies. And it isn't me running outdoors away from people...
Also, while I do think that mental health is vitally important and that people will be affected by isolation, I worry that it's so "on trend" at the moment that more of the messaging from the slebosphere is focused on that ("look after yourselves", "be kind", "it's okay to feel down", "talk to each other" etc etc) than on STAY AT HOME AND REMAIN INDOORS OR YOU ARE GOING TO KILL PEOPLE.
In a way it's probably a good thing that slebs haven't been doling out that much health advice because chances are they'd get a lot wrong and be a major conduit of misinformation. Moreover things are so fast-moving that some pieces of advice are changing within days, and a week-old sleb video still doing the rounds giving e.g. the wrong isolation period rules could be quite damaging. I guess this is why HMG prefer to maintain more central control of their health messaging. Still, wouldn't hurt for the more timeless advice ("here's how to wash your hands", "don't go and visit your elderly relatives", "PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE SO STOP SPREADING THIS STUFF, YOU NEED TO PLAY YOUR PART") to be being sent through the youth-oriented modern channels of communication in the same way that consumer-goods firms do? The more closely HMG were to work with slebs/influencers, chances are the less misinformation they'll spread.
Also how come the Tory party - which while well-funded has nothing like the financial might of the British state behind it - was able to saturate the internet just before the December GE, but the government in a time of crisis and with a clear health message to broadcast has not managed to? It shouldn't be possible to watch 15 minutes of commercial TV, an hour of BBC (there are gaps between shows where public info messages could fit), or 3 youtube vids without being accosted by "wash your hands", "this is how long you need to isolate for if someone in your household has a cough", "this is when to call 111 and this is when to call 999, don't go to your GP" etc. In fact the best presentations I've seen of the government's health advice was probably in a 15-second slideshow of infographics that Sky News has put on rotation arounds its ad breaks (though IIRC it only lists one metre for the distancing advice, which I'm sure is at odds with what the government wants). Why can't HMG do this?
It's now much clearer to me why we had a Ministry of "Information"/Propaganda in the wars and, given the idiots out there, why we had censorship...
And as pointed out, France and Italy haven’t even done that now. But apparently Spain is the new beacon of best practice.