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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Back in the world of political betting Biden confirms that his VP pick will be a woman

Given that 77 year old ex-VP, Joe Biden, is increasingly looking like a certainty for the Democratic nomination the main WH2020 betting market of interest has become who he will choose as his VP nominee.

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  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914
    Hillary Clinton more likely than Elizabeth Warren is a surprise.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Second like Colonel Sanders.
  • Hillary Clinton more likely than Elizabeth Warren is a surprise.

    Clinton would be a disastrous choice.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited March 2020
    Posted on the last couple of threads about this but:

    - Normally you'd want to keep maximum flexibility, especially if there's a lot of unprecedented stuff going on
    - Biden doesn't need to say this to win, he's on a gentle descent to victory
    - So he's probably already promised it to someone back when he needed people's support to win

    So who did he make a promise to?

    1) Amy KLOBUCHAR. It would make sense, he needed her to clear the field for him and she seemed exceedingly perky right after she dropped out and endorsed him.

    2) Jim Clyburn, whose endorsement gave him his huge win in SC. He says the VP should be a black woman, is reported as specifically mentioning Kamala Harris and Stacey Abrams.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2020

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far, in that case , and by an increasing amount.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    yes it is 1543

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Yes - that is the correct number
  • The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    The deaths number is not rising if 2 today, though.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Andy_JS said:
    Absolutely shambolic – rather the companies here who are asking staff to come in when they have the facility to work at home.
  • The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    Yes, I'd have thought the death count (per capita) was a more accurate indicator of policy success/failure. Though unfortunately a very laggy one.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    The deaths number is not rising if 2 today, though.
    Obviously the egg-heads said we were 3-4 weeks behind Italy. I find it hard to believe we are, but they see all the data. I am presuming although they think the actual number is x10 higher, they aren't yet seeing any massive hot spots.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    Officials said 44,105 people have been tested in the UK, of which 42,562 were confirmed negative and 1,543 were confirmed as positive.

    So that's 4000 more tests since yesterday and only rise of 171 cases.

    Every small lucky victory like this buys us time.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914

    Posted on the last couple of threads about this but:

    - Normally you'd want to keep maximum flexibility, especially if there's a lot of unprecedented stuff going on
    - Biden doesn't need to say this to win, he's on a gentle descent to victory
    - So he's probably already promised it to someone back when he needed people's support to win

    So who did he make a promise to?

    1) Amy KLOBUCHAR. It would make sense, he needed her to clear the field for him and she seemed exceedingly perky right after she dropped out and endorsed him.

    2) Jim Clyburn, whose endorsement gave him his huge win in SC. He says the VP should be a black woman, is reported as specifically mentioning Kamala Harris and Stacey Abrams.

    Good points - my guess would be Kamala.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    Yes, I'd have thought the death count (per capita) was a more accurate indicator of policy success/failure. Though unfortunately a very laggy one.
    Even then, it really depends on so many factors. At the moment, that is such a small sample size.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,435
    edited March 2020

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    This spreadsheet says it was the second highest number of daily tests - which is impressive given they would have been done over the weekend. So amount of testing still seems to be trending up.

    Wouldn't read too much into the lower number of positive test results today, though, as you'd expect some random variation in the numbers. Better than the alternative of course.

    Edit to add link to the fecking spreadsheet.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eTKeK9vRxgw0KhvKxPCaDrfaHnxQP-n9TsLzsEymviY/htmlview?sle=true
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    edited March 2020
    Hillary Clinton Lol!

    Surely a way for you betting types to make a quick 6% through one of those whatdoyoucallit lay things?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    This spreadsheet says it was the second highest number of daily tests - which is impressive given they would have been done over the weekend. So amount of testing still seems to be trending up.

    Wouldn't read too much into the lower number of positive test results today, though, as you'd expect some random variation in the numbers. Better than the alternative of course.

    I am increasingly getting a sneaking suspicion that this claim that they won't test the public is more about not making a stupid Trump style announcement of everybody who wants one can get one and causing the same idiots who have been buying 1000 bog rolls to start demanding they are tested.

    I know there is probably back cases, but I can't believe 4000 people have rolled into hospital on Friday or Saturday all with coronavirus symptoms and only 171 have it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    I'm on Abrams at 9 which I quite like.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    For those interested in the science of COVID, this is interesting:

    https://special.croi.capitalreach.com
  • BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    This spreadsheet says it was the second highest number of daily tests - which is impressive given they would have been done over the weekend. So amount of testing still seems to be trending up.

    Wouldn't read too much into the lower number of positive test results today, though, as you'd expect some random variation in the numbers. Better than the alternative of course.

    Edit to add link to the fecking spreadsheet.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eTKeK9vRxgw0KhvKxPCaDrfaHnxQP-n9TsLzsEymviY/htmlview?sle=true
    # tests has had a step change increase. see column I in that spreadsheet.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    This spreadsheet says it was the second highest number of daily tests - which is impressive given they would have been done over the weekend. So amount of testing still seems to be trending up.

    Wouldn't read too much into the lower number of positive test results today, though, as you'd expect some random variation in the numbers. Better than the alternative of course.

    Edit to add link to the fecking spreadsheet.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eTKeK9vRxgw0KhvKxPCaDrfaHnxQP-n9TsLzsEymviY/htmlview?sle=true
    Was just about to ask "What spreadsheet?" :lol:
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    So the Dow. I've been saying 20,000 before 30,000 and it's looking possible today. Moving on therefore -

    15,000 before 25,000?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489
    Not whilst schools are still open it’s not!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    edited March 2020

    Good points - my guess would be Kamala.

    She was my initial pick for the Nom. I was surprised and disappointed that she failed to cut through.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    How long will it be before all these one off walk in type medical centres with private services offer COVID tests while you wait?

    A few days?

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036
    Razor wire in Channel. Continent cut off.
  • ukpaulukpaul Posts: 649

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far, in that case , and by an increasing amount.
    These numbers are possibly going to become completely disconnected from reality if the testing becomes so piecemeal. If so, then cue the first set of ‘real figures’ being spread on social media.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    How long will it be before all these one off walk in type medical centres with private services offer COVID tests while you wait?

    A few days?

    Well one of the 14 companies developing tests has already sent it to pharmacies, but it is only for staff usage at the moment. Their timeline was 3 weeks before the public could buy it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601

    Officials said 44,105 people have been tested in the UK, of which 42,562 were confirmed negative and 1,543 were confirmed as positive.

    So that's 4000 more tests since yesterday and only rise of 171 cases.

    Every small lucky victory like this buys us time.

    22% increase in cases.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    Andy_JS said:

    Officials said 44,105 people have been tested in the UK, of which 42,562 were confirmed negative and 1,543 were confirmed as positive.

    So that's 4000 more tests since yesterday and only rise of 171 cases.

    Every small lucky victory like this buys us time.

    22% increase in cases.
    Its 12%.....lowest % day on day increase for 2 weeks, but that doesn't mean much.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489

    Hillary Clinton Lol!

    Surely a way for you betting types to make a quick 6% through one of those whatdoyoucallit lay things?

    If he picked her it would probably lose Biden support.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Not whilst schools are still open it’s not!
    Not many infants in baby walkers attend schools.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    How long will it be before all these one off walk in type medical centres with private services offer COVID tests while you wait?

    A few days?

    Well one of the 14 companies developing tests has already sent it to pharmacies, but it is only for staff usage at the moment. Their timeline was 3 weeks before the public could buy it.
    Surely once home testing is relatively easy and quick, the need for draconian measures will diminish. Feel symptoms - test - act accordingly.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    Example of how fake news travels so quickly and then becomes legitimate....in an otherwise good article,

    Two other letters have also been issued, one from the British Society for Immunology and another from more than 400 scientists. The models will reportedly be released within the coming days, although no firm time frame has been disclosed.

    In a similar letter, more than 500 behavioral scientists called on the government to disclose the evidence behind its contention that the public will experience “behavioral fatigue” if restrictions are put in place too early.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-pandemic-herd-immunity-uk-boris-johnson/608065/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,680
    Hmm. Was interested in that article until it cited the letter from the astronomer.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    How long will it be before all these one off walk in type medical centres with private services offer COVID tests while you wait?

    A few days?

    Well one of the 14 companies developing tests has already sent it to pharmacies, but it is only for staff usage at the moment. Their timeline was 3 weeks before the public could buy it.
    Surely once home testing is relatively easy and quick, the need for draconian measures will diminish. Feel symptoms - test - act accordingly.
    Depends upon reliability and diligence of self-testing though surely?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020

    How long will it be before all these one off walk in type medical centres with private services offer COVID tests while you wait?

    A few days?

    Well one of the 14 companies developing tests has already sent it to pharmacies, but it is only for staff usage at the moment. Their timeline was 3 weeks before the public could buy it.
    Surely once home testing is relatively easy and quick, the need for draconian measures will diminish. Feel symptoms - test - act accordingly.
    These commercial testing kits appear to only work when you have had symptoms for 2-3 days i.e. when you are probably peak virus shredding.

    Not sure if it is a great idea to have all those people popping down Boots to get a test done.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2020

    Andy_JS said:

    Officials said 44,105 people have been tested in the UK, of which 42,562 were confirmed negative and 1,543 were confirmed as positive.

    So that's 4000 more tests since yesterday and only rise of 171 cases.

    Every small lucky victory like this buys us time.

    22% increase in cases.
    Its 12%.....lowest % day on day increase for 2 weeks, but that doesn't mean much.
    The weather - I wonder..

    A week or so ago a change in the weather across Europe, the day I had a 'hunch' about something slightly changing in Italy, seemed to coincide with the Italian curve flattening and slowing.

    All anecdotal and subjective at this stage ofcourse, but let's hope.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    This spreadsheet says it was the second highest number of daily tests - which is impressive given they would have been done over the weekend. So amount of testing still seems to be trending up.

    Wouldn't read too much into the lower number of positive test results today, though, as you'd expect some random variation in the numbers. Better than the alternative of course.

    Edit to add link to the fecking spreadsheet.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eTKeK9vRxgw0KhvKxPCaDrfaHnxQP-n9TsLzsEymviY/htmlview?sle=true
    The lowest percentage increase in new cases since 27th February.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,601

    Andy_JS said:

    Officials said 44,105 people have been tested in the UK, of which 42,562 were confirmed negative and 1,543 were confirmed as positive.

    So that's 4000 more tests since yesterday and only rise of 171 cases.

    Every small lucky victory like this buys us time.

    22% increase in cases.
    Its 12%.....lowest % day on day increase for 2 weeks, but that doesn't mean much.
    Was comparing Monday with Saturday.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    I heard two people (separate conversations) talking about the coronavirus while dropping bairns off this morning.
    One was joking "I'm gonna self-isolate"
    The second said something like "He's saying it's a government plan to cull the population".

    Fake News at 50% penetration, n = 2
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119

    Andy_JS said:

    Officials said 44,105 people have been tested in the UK, of which 42,562 were confirmed negative and 1,543 were confirmed as positive.

    So that's 4000 more tests since yesterday and only rise of 171 cases.

    Every small lucky victory like this buys us time.

    22% increase in cases.
    Its 12%.....lowest % day on day increase for 2 weeks, but that doesn't mean much.
    The weather - I wonder..
    A day one difference means nothing really due to sample sizes etc. I think the only think we can take from is it that so far we are definitely behind Italy, Spain, France and Germany, probably because we haven't had a hotspot really take hold.

    From reports they were really concerned about Brighton, but really went hard with the contract tracing and managed to dampen down the fire.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,482
    Andy_JS said:

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    This spreadsheet says it was the second highest number of daily tests - which is impressive given they would have been done over the weekend. So amount of testing still seems to be trending up.

    Wouldn't read too much into the lower number of positive test results today, though, as you'd expect some random variation in the numbers. Better than the alternative of course.

    Edit to add link to the fecking spreadsheet.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eTKeK9vRxgw0KhvKxPCaDrfaHnxQP-n9TsLzsEymviY/htmlview?sle=true
    The lowest percentage increase in new cases since 27th February.
    Which is reflective of the situation when, is it a fortnight's delay?
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375

    Andy_JS said:

    Officials said 44,105 people have been tested in the UK, of which 42,562 were confirmed negative and 1,543 were confirmed as positive.

    So that's 4000 more tests since yesterday and only rise of 171 cases.

    Every small lucky victory like this buys us time.

    22% increase in cases.
    Its 12%.....lowest % day on day increase for 2 weeks, but that doesn't mean much.
    I think it does, it shows we are not on the same trajectory as Italy.

    I think the response to Covid 19 could be seen as the biggest overreaction in human history

    Lets not forget that thousands of people die each day of hunger. The world did not close down for them, yet it is closing down to try and prolong the lives of mainly very old and ill people. The average age of the people who have died with Vovid 19 in Italy is 81.

    If these closedowns continue the world economy could be finished for a generation.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020

    Andy_JS said:

    Officials said 44,105 people have been tested in the UK, of which 42,562 were confirmed negative and 1,543 were confirmed as positive.

    So that's 4000 more tests since yesterday and only rise of 171 cases.

    Every small lucky victory like this buys us time.

    22% increase in cases.
    Its 12%.....lowest % day on day increase for 2 weeks, but that doesn't mean much.
    I think it does, it shows we are not on the same trajectory as Italy.

    I think the response to Covid 19 could be seen as the biggest overreaction in human history

    Lets not forget that thousands of people die each day of hunger. The world did not close down for them, yet it is closing down to try and prolong the lives of mainly very old and ill people. The average age of the people who have died with Vovid 19 in Italy is 81.

    If these closedowns continue the world economy could be finished for a generation.
    We are still on the similar trajectory to all other major European countries, but by a combination of luck and aggressive contract tracing, it is slower and thus we have got 2-3 weeks breathing room before the bomb goes off.

    The downside is we don't have the emergency capacity of the likes of Germany. Old Dyson better start pumping out these ventilators morning, noon and night.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    edited March 2020

    How long will it be before all these one off walk in type medical centres with private services offer COVID tests while you wait?

    A few days?

    Well one of the 14 companies developing tests has already sent it to pharmacies, but it is only for staff usage at the moment. Their timeline was 3 weeks before the public could buy it.
    Surely once home testing is relatively easy and quick, the need for draconian measures will diminish. Feel symptoms - test - act accordingly.
    Depends upon reliability and diligence of self-testing though surely?
    I dunno. What's the acceptable risk of living in a Western Democracy??

    Far more under 60s will die this year on the roads than will ever, ever die of Corona. Ever. Under 60 road deaths has got Corona completely totally licked.

    Shall we ban driving? stopping vehicle production? are we sending the world economy into a coma over those road deaths?

    Our governments are insane.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    Talking about the maths in regards to the accuracy of tests...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R13BD8qKeTg
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Freggles said:

    I heard two people (separate conversations) talking about the coronavirus while dropping bairns off this morning.
    One was joking "I'm gonna self-isolate"
    The second said something like "He's saying it's a government plan to cull the population".

    Fake News at 50% penetration, n = 2

    People will believe anything, imagine thinking the government has a plan
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,167
    edited March 2020

    Andy_JS said:

    Officials said 44,105 people have been tested in the UK, of which 42,562 were confirmed negative and 1,543 were confirmed as positive.

    So that's 4000 more tests since yesterday and only rise of 171 cases.

    Every small lucky victory like this buys us time.

    22% increase in cases.
    Its 12%.....lowest % day on day increase for 2 weeks, but that doesn't mean much.
    The weather - I wonder..
    A day one difference means nothing really due to sample sizes etc. I think the only think we can take from is it that so far we are definitely behind Italy, Spain, France and Germany, probably because we haven't had a hotspot really take hold.

    From reports they were really concerned about Brighton, but really went hard with the contract tracing and managed to dampen down the fire.
    Agreed. It is interesting though that for this time last week, when temperatures quite abruptly went up both in here and Italy, the curves tracing that, posted later in the week, showed a flattening in the curves both in Italy and the UK from almost exactly that time on - I think it was from March 10 ? I think the chart was from Barnesian, or someone else.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489

    Not whilst schools are still open it’s not!
    Not many infants in baby walkers attend schools.
    They attend nurseries.

    Like my daughter.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    Freggles said:

    I heard two people (separate conversations) talking about the coronavirus while dropping bairns off this morning.
    One was joking "I'm gonna self-isolate"
    The second said something like "He's saying it's a government plan to cull the population".

    Fake News at 50% penetration, n = 2

    People will believe anything, imagine thinking the government has a plan
    The plan is publicly available, isn't it?
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    Andy_JS said:

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    This spreadsheet says it was the second highest number of daily tests - which is impressive given they would have been done over the weekend. So amount of testing still seems to be trending up.

    Wouldn't read too much into the lower number of positive test results today, though, as you'd expect some random variation in the numbers. Better than the alternative of course.

    Edit to add link to the fecking spreadsheet.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eTKeK9vRxgw0KhvKxPCaDrfaHnxQP-n9TsLzsEymviY/htmlview?sle=true
    The lowest percentage increase in new cases since 27th February.
    Which is reflective of the situation when, is it a fortnight's delay?
    Did we not have the same discussion last Monday and it was due to fewer test having been done on the Sunday.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375

    How long will it be before all these one off walk in type medical centres with private services offer COVID tests while you wait?

    A few days?

    Well one of the 14 companies developing tests has already sent it to pharmacies, but it is only for staff usage at the moment. Their timeline was 3 weeks before the public could buy it.
    Surely once home testing is relatively easy and quick, the need for draconian measures will diminish. Feel symptoms - test - act accordingly.
    Depends upon reliability and diligence of self-testing though surely?
    I dunno. What's the acceptable risk of living in a Western Democracy??

    Far more under 60s will die this year on the roads than will ever, ever die of Corona. Ever. Under 60 road deaths has got Corona completely totally licked.

    Shall we ban driving? stopping vehicle production are we sending the world economy into a coma over those road deaths?

    Our governments are insane.
    You are so right, life is risky, 1700 people die each day in the UK. We cannot pretend that we can live in a risk free bubble. We haven't in the past. The problem is we now live in the internet age. If this pandemic was 30 years ago I doubt any of these lockdowns would have happened. People would just shrug that old ill people were dying.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,489
    Chameleon said:
    Because it’s the RoW (not Europe) that’s the problem.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226

    I think it does, it shows we are not on the same trajectory as Italy.

    I think the response to Covid 19 could be seen as the biggest overreaction in human history

    Lets not forget that thousands of people die each day of hunger. The world did not close down for them, yet it is closing down to try and prolong the lives of mainly very old and ill people. The average age of the people who have died with Vovid 19 in Italy is 81.

    If these closedowns continue the world economy could be finished for a generation.

    Mmm. Food for thought. Part of me feels this way too. The death toll is awful if it's you or yours but big picture it's nothing. Ditto if western health services fall over for a year. So, is the "cure" - shutdown and slump - worse than the disease? I'm not saying it is, but it merits debate.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    nichomar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    This spreadsheet says it was the second highest number of daily tests - which is impressive given they would have been done over the weekend. So amount of testing still seems to be trending up.

    Wouldn't read too much into the lower number of positive test results today, though, as you'd expect some random variation in the numbers. Better than the alternative of course.

    Edit to add link to the fecking spreadsheet.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eTKeK9vRxgw0KhvKxPCaDrfaHnxQP-n9TsLzsEymviY/htmlview?sle=true
    The lowest percentage increase in new cases since 27th February.
    Which is reflective of the situation when, is it a fortnight's delay?
    Did we not have the same discussion last Monday and it was due to fewer test having been done on the Sunday.
    4000 tests this time...
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837

    How long will it be before all these one off walk in type medical centres with private services offer COVID tests while you wait?

    A few days?

    Well one of the 14 companies developing tests has already sent it to pharmacies, but it is only for staff usage at the moment. Their timeline was 3 weeks before the public could buy it.
    Surely once home testing is relatively easy and quick, the need for draconian measures will diminish. Feel symptoms - test - act accordingly.
    Depends upon reliability and diligence of self-testing though surely?
    I dunno. What's the acceptable risk of living in a Western Democracy??

    Far more under 60s will die this year on the roads than will ever, ever die of Corona. Ever. Under 60 road deaths has got Corona completely totally licked.

    Shall we ban driving? stopping vehicle production? are we sending the world economy into a coma over those road deaths?

    Our governments are insane.
    Not sure thats right, Corona completely unchecked would probably kill more under 60s than road deaths in the UK. (Voluntary actions such as increased hand washing and social distancing is probably enough to move it lower so fortunately we will never know.)

    It is definitely not clear cut the other way.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    https://order-order.com/2020/03/16/bbc-considering-scrapping-question-time-audience-coronavirus-battle/

    Why not just bloody scrap usual QT format entirely and instead use it as opportunity for the public to pose questions (via email / skype) to one of the egg-head team.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837

    https://order-order.com/2020/03/16/bbc-considering-scrapping-question-time-audience-coronavirus-battle/

    Why not just bloody scrap usual QT format entirely and instead use it as opportunity for the public to pose questions (via email / skype) to one of the egg-head team.

    The format is terrible and has been for a decade. Even without the crisis it was time to move to at least some of the shows being on a single topic, mostly with experts and fewer politicians and commentators with an extreme opinion on everything.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,914

    Chameleon said:
    Because it’s the RoW (not Europe) that’s the problem.
    Is it not a good idea to lower the number of people moving about, since that's how the virus gets spread? A non-infected foreigner visiting the Schengen area and then going home is a risk as is it happening the other way round.
    Your antipathy to the EU is affecting your logical thinking.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    % positives of UK dailies lately: 4.5%, 9.9%, 6.9%, 5.6%, 8.0%, 6.4%, 4.7%, 3.0% ...... and drops the further back we look.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    https://order-order.com/2020/03/16/bbc-considering-scrapping-question-time-audience-coronavirus-battle/

    Why not just bloody scrap usual QT format entirely and instead use it as opportunity for the public to pose questions (via email / skype) to one of the egg-head team.

    It didn't work too well for the Tory leadership contest:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48687744
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    RobD said:

    Freggles said:

    I heard two people (separate conversations) talking about the coronavirus while dropping bairns off this morning.
    One was joking "I'm gonna self-isolate"
    The second said something like "He's saying it's a government plan to cull the population".

    Fake News at 50% penetration, n = 2

    People will believe anything, imagine thinking the government has a plan
    The plan is publicly available, isn't it?
    Generally they leak stuff to the Telegraph
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837

    How long will it be before all these one off walk in type medical centres with private services offer COVID tests while you wait?

    A few days?

    Well one of the 14 companies developing tests has already sent it to pharmacies, but it is only for staff usage at the moment. Their timeline was 3 weeks before the public could buy it.
    Surely once home testing is relatively easy and quick, the need for draconian measures will diminish. Feel symptoms - test - act accordingly.
    Depends upon reliability and diligence of self-testing though surely?
    I dunno. What's the acceptable risk of living in a Western Democracy??

    Far more under 60s will die this year on the roads than will ever, ever die of Corona. Ever. Under 60 road deaths has got Corona completely totally licked.

    Shall we ban driving? stopping vehicle production are we sending the world economy into a coma over those road deaths?

    Our governments are insane.
    You are so right, life is risky, 1700 people die each day in the UK. We cannot pretend that we can live in a risk free bubble. We haven't in the past. The problem is we now live in the internet age. If this pandemic was 30 years ago I doubt any of these lockdowns would have happened. People would just shrug that old ill people were dying.
    1989 UK flu with 30,000 deaths is clearly an example where it was not a big media story let alone national emergency.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    tlg86 said:

    https://order-order.com/2020/03/16/bbc-considering-scrapping-question-time-audience-coronavirus-battle/

    Why not just bloody scrap usual QT format entirely and instead use it as opportunity for the public to pose questions (via email / skype) to one of the egg-head team.

    It didn't work too well for the Tory leadership contest:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48687744
    Well anybody whose twitter timeline includes the phrase Boris the Butcher gets an instanta ban.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,357

    Razor wire in Channel. Continent cut off.
    All the jingoists getting their wish in spades. We will need to let foreigners in to bring supplies of food or we starve.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    This spreadsheet says it was the second highest number of daily tests - which is impressive given they would have been done over the weekend. So amount of testing still seems to be trending up.

    Wouldn't read too much into the lower number of positive test results today, though, as you'd expect some random variation in the numbers. Better than the alternative of course.

    I am increasingly getting a sneaking suspicion that this claim that they won't test the public is more about not making a stupid Trump style announcement of everybody who wants one can get one and causing the same idiots who have been buying 1000 bog rolls to start demanding they are tested.

    I know there is probably back cases, but I can't believe 4000 people have rolled into hospital on Friday or Saturday all with coronavirus symptoms and only 171 have it.
    Why not?

    We didn't have the hotspots of Italy. We've encouraged a bit of social distancing. There's naturally going to be a bit of randomness. And we're not picking up people from random testing.

    I doubt we've seen an actual peak in numbers testing positive, but I doubt the government is lying about the numbers.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,119
    edited March 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    This spreadsheet says it was the second highest number of daily tests - which is impressive given they would have been done over the weekend. So amount of testing still seems to be trending up.

    Wouldn't read too much into the lower number of positive test results today, though, as you'd expect some random variation in the numbers. Better than the alternative of course.

    I am increasingly getting a sneaking suspicion that this claim that they won't test the public is more about not making a stupid Trump style announcement of everybody who wants one can get one and causing the same idiots who have been buying 1000 bog rolls to start demanding they are tested.

    I know there is probably back cases, but I can't believe 4000 people have rolled into hospital on Friday or Saturday all with coronavirus symptoms and only 171 have it.
    Why not?

    We didn't have the hotspots of Italy. We've encouraged a bit of social distancing. There's naturally going to be a bit of randomness. And we're not picking up people from random testing.

    I doubt we've seen an actual peak in numbers testing positive, but I doubt the government is lying about the numbers.
    I wasn't suggesting the government were lying about the numbers, more that perhaps the testing strategy isn't quite so black and white as presented i.e. only hospital admissions with the virus symptoms.

    Given how the government are very big on being data driven, to completely cut off any community sampling doesn't seem wise.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    How long will it be before all these one off walk in type medical centres with private services offer COVID tests while you wait?

    A few days?

    Well one of the 14 companies developing tests has already sent it to pharmacies, but it is only for staff usage at the moment. Their timeline was 3 weeks before the public could buy it.
    Surely once home testing is relatively easy and quick, the need for draconian measures will diminish. Feel symptoms - test - act accordingly.
    Depends upon reliability and diligence of self-testing though surely?
    I dunno. What's the acceptable risk of living in a Western Democracy??

    Far more under 60s will die this year on the roads than will ever, ever die of Corona. Ever. Under 60 road deaths has got Corona completely totally licked.

    Shall we ban driving? stopping vehicle production are we sending the world economy into a coma over those road deaths?

    Our governments are insane.
    You are so right, life is risky, 1700 people die each day in the UK. We cannot pretend that we can live in a risk free bubble. We haven't in the past. The problem is we now live in the internet age. If this pandemic was 30 years ago I doubt any of these lockdowns would have happened. People would just shrug that old ill people were dying.
    1989 UK flu with 30,000 deaths is clearly an example where it was not a big media story let alone national emergency.
    In being seen to 'do something' governments are about to do far more harm than they are good. Far more.

    Maybe if people see that, something will have come from this sorry episode.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,878

    How long will it be before all these one off walk in type medical centres with private services offer COVID tests while you wait?

    A few days?

    Well one of the 14 companies developing tests has already sent it to pharmacies, but it is only for staff usage at the moment. Their timeline was 3 weeks before the public could buy it.
    Surely once home testing is relatively easy and quick, the need for draconian measures will diminish. Feel symptoms - test - act accordingly.
    Depends upon reliability and diligence of self-testing though surely?
    I dunno. What's the acceptable risk of living in a Western Democracy??

    Far more under 60s will die this year on the roads than will ever, ever die of Corona. Ever. Under 60 road deaths has got Corona completely totally licked.

    Shall we ban driving? stopping vehicle production are we sending the world economy into a coma over those road deaths?

    Our governments are insane.
    You are so right, life is risky, 1700 people die each day in the UK. We cannot pretend that we can live in a risk free bubble. We haven't in the past. The problem is we now live in the internet age. If this pandemic was 30 years ago I doubt any of these lockdowns would have happened. People would just shrug that old ill people were dying.
    1989 UK flu with 30,000 deaths is clearly an example where it was not a big media story let alone national emergency.
    In 1968-69, 80,000 in the UK died from Hong Kong flu. An estimated 1 million died globally:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_flu_pandemic
    https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/uk/history-of-major-virus-outbreaks-in-the-uk-in-recent-times/
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    malcolmg said:

    Razor wire in Channel. Continent cut off.
    All the jingoists getting their wish in spades. We will need to let foreigners in to bring supplies of food or we starve.
    It's the EU that have shut the borders, not the UK. :)
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Hillary Clinton more likely than Elizabeth Warren is a surprise.

    Clinton would be a disastrous choice.
    Conspiracy theory incoming... three... two... one...
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,357
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Razor wire in Channel. Continent cut off.
    All the jingoists getting their wish in spades. We will need to let foreigners in to bring supplies of food or we starve.
    It's the EU that have shut the borders, not the UK. :)
    Only to outsiders though , so means we are in deep doodoo if we cannot get food in
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Razor wire in Channel. Continent cut off.
    All the jingoists getting their wish in spades. We will need to let foreigners in to bring supplies of food or we starve.
    It's the EU that have shut the borders, not the UK. :)
    Only to outsiders though , so means we are in deep doodoo if we cannot get food in
    They are closing borders internally, too.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,752
    In other news....

    The Salmond trial, whatever its outcome, is providing fascinating, if grisly, reading about how the Scottish Government conducted itself during the run-up to the 2014 referendum, judging by the testimony so far. The public inquiry which will surely follow will be equally interesting. This will not be going away for a long time, even if the trial is being overshadowed in the media at the moment.

    A typical quote from the trial:

    Woman B tells the court she never saw a single member of the Scottish Government challenge Salmond about his behaviour

    https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/2076982/live-the-alex-salmond-trial-day-6/
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    How long will it be before all these one off walk in type medical centres with private services offer COVID tests while you wait?

    A few days?

    At the moment they only have reference lab tests, not PoC

    I guess you could wait...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935

    eadric said:

    Are there some shades of hope in the gloomy sky? It feels like it to me.

    Or maybe it is just the gorgeous spring weather. I am going for a walk in Regent's Park under a very real and very blue sky.

    Peace to all.

    I believe you have been spotted out and about...


    All that, and no gloves?
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Razor wire in Channel. Continent cut off.
    All the jingoists getting their wish in spades. We will need to let foreigners in to bring supplies of food or we starve.
    It's the EU that have shut the borders, not the UK. :)
    Only to outsiders though , so means we are in deep doodoo if we cannot get food in
    Will we have to eat fish!!!!
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    edited March 2020

    How long will it be before all these one off walk in type medical centres with private services offer COVID tests while you wait?

    A few days?

    Well one of the 14 companies developing tests has already sent it to pharmacies, but it is only for staff usage at the moment. Their timeline was 3 weeks before the public could buy it.
    Surely once home testing is relatively easy and quick, the need for draconian measures will diminish. Feel symptoms - test - act accordingly.
    Depends upon reliability and diligence of self-testing though surely?
    I dunno. What's the acceptable risk of living in a Western Democracy??

    Far more under 60s will die this year on the roads than will ever, ever die of Corona. Ever. Under 60 road deaths has got Corona completely totally licked.

    Shall we ban driving? stopping vehicle production are we sending the world economy into a coma over those road deaths?

    Our governments are insane.
    You are so right, life is risky, 1700 people die each day in the UK. We cannot pretend that we can live in a risk free bubble. We haven't in the past. The problem is we now live in the internet age. If this pandemic was 30 years ago I doubt any of these lockdowns would have happened. People would just shrug that old ill people were dying.
    1989 UK flu with 30,000 deaths is clearly an example where it was not a big media story let alone national emergency.
    In 1968-69, 80,000 in the UK died from Hong Kong flu. An estimated 1 million died globally:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_flu_pandemic
    https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/uk/history-of-major-virus-outbreaks-in-the-uk-in-recent-times/
    These figures just show the madness of what is happening now.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758

    rcs1000 said:

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    This spreadsheet says it was the second highest number of daily tests - which is impressive given they would have been done over the weekend. So amount of testing still seems to be trending up.

    Wouldn't read too much into the lower number of positive test results today, though, as you'd expect some random variation in the numbers. Better than the alternative of course.

    I am increasingly getting a sneaking suspicion that this claim that they won't test the public is more about not making a stupid Trump style announcement of everybody who wants one can get one and causing the same idiots who have been buying 1000 bog rolls to start demanding they are tested.

    I know there is probably back cases, but I can't believe 4000 people have rolled into hospital on Friday or Saturday all with coronavirus symptoms and only 171 have it.
    Why not?

    We didn't have the hotspots of Italy. We've encouraged a bit of social distancing. There's naturally going to be a bit of randomness. And we're not picking up people from random testing.

    I doubt we've seen an actual peak in numbers testing positive, but I doubt the government is lying about the numbers.
    I wasn't suggesting the government were lying about the numbers, more that perhaps the testing strategy isn't quite so black and white as presented i.e. only hospital admissions with the virus symptoms.

    Given how the government are very big on being data driven, to completely cut off any community sampling doesn't seem wise.
    I have no information but I wouldn't be surprised if some degree of random (ish) testing is going on. You don't need to do many tests to achieve a high degree of accuracy for the infection rate of the overall population if the sampling is done well.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Andy_JS said:

    Officials said 44,105 people have been tested in the UK, of which 42,562 were confirmed negative and 1,543 were confirmed as positive.

    So that's 4000 more tests since yesterday and only rise of 171 cases.

    Every small lucky victory like this buys us time.

    22% increase in cases.
    Its 12%.....lowest % day on day increase for 2 weeks, but that doesn't mean much.
    I think it does, it shows we are not on the same trajectory as Italy.

    I think the response to Covid 19 could be seen as the biggest overreaction in human history

    Lets not forget that thousands of people die each day of hunger. The world did not close down for them, yet it is closing down to try and prolong the lives of mainly very old and ill people. The average age of the people who have died with Vovid 19 in Italy is 81.

    If these closedowns continue the world economy could be finished for a generation.
    While your points may be valid in the aggregate, never forget that each of these deaths of individuals with family and friends
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,837

    How long will it be before all these one off walk in type medical centres with private services offer COVID tests while you wait?

    A few days?

    Well one of the 14 companies developing tests has already sent it to pharmacies, but it is only for staff usage at the moment. Their timeline was 3 weeks before the public could buy it.
    Surely once home testing is relatively easy and quick, the need for draconian measures will diminish. Feel symptoms - test - act accordingly.
    Depends upon reliability and diligence of self-testing though surely?
    I dunno. What's the acceptable risk of living in a Western Democracy??

    Far more under 60s will die this year on the roads than will ever, ever die of Corona. Ever. Under 60 road deaths has got Corona completely totally licked.

    Shall we ban driving? stopping vehicle production are we sending the world economy into a coma over those road deaths?

    Our governments are insane.
    You are so right, life is risky, 1700 people die each day in the UK. We cannot pretend that we can live in a risk free bubble. We haven't in the past. The problem is we now live in the internet age. If this pandemic was 30 years ago I doubt any of these lockdowns would have happened. People would just shrug that old ill people were dying.
    1989 UK flu with 30,000 deaths is clearly an example where it was not a big media story let alone national emergency.
    In being seen to 'do something' governments are about to do far more harm than they are good. Far more.

    Maybe if people see that, something will have come from this sorry episode.
    I think what the UK govt has done so far has actually been prudent and reasonable. I have more sympathy for your view than the views of the everyone needs to be locked down and isolated without daylight group. Some other governments do seem in a something needs to be done mode.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,357
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Razor wire in Channel. Continent cut off.
    All the jingoists getting their wish in spades. We will need to let foreigners in to bring supplies of food or we starve.
    It's the EU that have shut the borders, not the UK. :)
    Only to outsiders though , so means we are in deep doodoo if we cannot get food in
    They are closing borders internally, too.
    So you never read the exemptions of all EU citizens etc
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205



    Given how the government are very big on being data driven, to completely cut off any community sampling doesn't seem wise.

    And yet my friends with high fever, dry cough, recent contact with someone from Italy aren't being tested because they didn't require a hospital admission. There's going to be a tremendous amount of undersampling of those that have it at home if they haven't been sampled.
    I~'m staying away from the office due to recent contact with them
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,935
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Razor wire in Channel. Continent cut off.
    All the jingoists getting their wish in spades. We will need to let foreigners in to bring supplies of food or we starve.
    It's the EU that have shut the borders, not the UK. :)
    Only to outsiders though , so means we are in deep doodoo if we cannot get food in
    They are closing borders internally, too.
    So you never read the exemptions of all EU citizens etc
    I'm talking about the closures announced by national governments. Those don't exempt EU citizens.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,464
    edited March 2020

    https://order-order.com/2020/03/16/bbc-considering-scrapping-question-time-audience-coronavirus-battle/

    Why not just bloody scrap usual QT format entirely and instead use it as opportunity for the public to pose questions (via email / skype) to one of the egg-head team.

    The format is terrible and has been for a decade. Even without the crisis it was time to move to at least some of the shows being on a single topic, mostly with experts and fewer politicians and commentators with an extreme opinion on everything.
    It was OK until it was realised in certain quarters that the producers were trying to get a 'spread' of opinion. So that if you rolled up and were asked 'which side would you have been on in WWII and answered the Nazi's you'd get in and if you didn't you might or might not.
    then you'd be given a funny hat or something so that when the audience participation bit came along the TV cameras could find you.

    Or something like that.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    malcolmg said:

    Razor wire in Channel. Continent cut off.
    All the jingoists getting their wish in spades. We will need to let foreigners in to bring supplies of food or we starve.
    Nah, well be eatimg lasagne made with toilet sheets
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,218

    rcs1000 said:

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    This spreadsheet says it was the second highest number of daily tests - which is impressive given they would have been done over the weekend. So amount of testing still seems to be trending up.

    Wouldn't read too much into the lower number of positive test results today, though, as you'd expect some random variation in the numbers. Better than the alternative of course.

    I am increasingly getting a sneaking suspicion that this claim that they won't test the public is more about not making a stupid Trump style announcement of everybody who wants one can get one and causing the same idiots who have been buying 1000 bog rolls to start demanding they are tested.

    I know there is probably back cases, but I can't believe 4000 people have rolled into hospital on Friday or Saturday all with coronavirus symptoms and only 171 have it.
    Why not?

    We didn't have the hotspots of Italy. We've encouraged a bit of social distancing. There's naturally going to be a bit of randomness. And we're not picking up people from random testing.

    I doubt we've seen an actual peak in numbers testing positive, but I doubt the government is lying about the numbers.
    I wasn't suggesting the government were lying about the numbers, more that perhaps the testing strategy isn't quite so black and white as presented i.e. only hospital admissions with the virus symptoms.

    Given how the government are very big on being data driven, to completely cut off any community sampling doesn't seem wise.
    I agree with that. I think it would be helpful to do some genuinely random sampling to understand if the iceberg theory is correct. I also think that we probably have a bit of a false drop, now that we are only seeing those arriving at the hospital with symptoms.

    Still, I take the Hubei chart as my guide, and am increasingly confident that the real peak in new infections is behind us now, while we will see another two weeks or so of rising (albeit less quickly) recorded new infections.

    I think there is a lot more social distancing that there was, and a lot more hand washing.

    I would expect Italy to start seeing its new cases number drop next week, with the rest of Europe a week or so behind.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,036

    rcs1000 said:

    The currant bun says todays numbers are 1,543 - a jump of 171 more from yesterday. And 2 more deaths.

    Don't know where they got this info as not up on the official twitter account yet.

    Clearly slower than Italy's curve in that case so far , and by an increasing amount.
    It is hard to tell...a) we don't know how many tests and b) there is now the switch over to really only testing hospital admissions.
    This spreadsheet says it was the second highest number of daily tests - which is impressive given they would have been done over the weekend. So amount of testing still seems to be trending up.

    Wouldn't read too much into the lower number of positive test results today, though, as you'd expect some random variation in the numbers. Better than the alternative of course.

    I am increasingly getting a sneaking suspicion that this claim that they won't test the public is more about not making a stupid Trump style announcement of everybody who wants one can get one and causing the same idiots who have been buying 1000 bog rolls to start demanding they are tested.

    I know there is probably back cases, but I can't believe 4000 people have rolled into hospital on Friday or Saturday all with coronavirus symptoms and only 171 have it.
    Why not?

    We didn't have the hotspots of Italy. We've encouraged a bit of social distancing. There's naturally going to be a bit of randomness. And we're not picking up people from random testing.

    I doubt we've seen an actual peak in numbers testing positive, but I doubt the government is lying about the numbers.
    I wasn't suggesting the government were lying about the numbers, more that perhaps the testing strategy isn't quite so black and white as presented i.e. only hospital admissions with the virus symptoms.

    Given how the government are very big on being data driven, to completely cut off any community sampling doesn't seem wise.
    I have no information but I wouldn't be surprised if some degree of random (ish) testing is going on. You don't need to do many tests to achieve a high degree of accuracy for the infection rate of the overall population if the sampling is done well.
    Test the YouGov panel - they are supposed to be a representative cross-section of the public.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Talking of food supplies, I think we must be heading for a quite serious shortage of fresh fruit and veg over the next few weeks. The lockdowns in Spain and Italy must be having a serious disruptive effect on supplies and transport, and it's going to be made worse by effect of the awful weather in the UK on our agriculture.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,357

    In other news....

    The Salmond trial, whatever its outcome, is providing fascinating, if grisly, reading about how the Scottish Government conducted itself during the run-up to the 2014 referendum, judging by the testimony so far. The public inquiry which will surely follow will be equally interesting. This will not be going away for a long time, even if the trial is being overshadowed in the media at the moment.

    A typical quote from the trial:

    Woman B tells the court she never saw a single member of the Scottish Government challenge Salmond about his behaviour

    https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/2076982/live-the-alex-salmond-trial-day-6/

    It is a real hoot , like something from a bad carry on movie, script is excruciating. Be interesting to see if defence witnesses are similar.
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