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edited February 2020 in General

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With one bound Boris was free! That seems to have been the government’s reaction to the Court of Appeal’s decision in relation to Heathrow, at least judging by the Transport Secretary’s somewhat disingenuous statement that as this was a private sector project the government would not be appealing the decision. Given how quickly the statement was made and how long the 2 related judgments were (143 pages) one wonders whether they were even read, let alone considered. 

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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,900
    First !
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,900
    Again!
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,461
    Second like the third runway.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,084
    Boris struggles when reality trumps rhetoric.
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    So how many kids does that make it for Boris?

    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1233806817026805762?s=20
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    TGOHF666 said:
    Is this why he has been quiet all week?
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,900

    So how many kids does that make it for Boris?

    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1233806817026805762?s=20

    Poor kid, growing up not knowing who its brothers and sisters are.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,724
    edited February 2020
    The Pied Pipers of the Dirtbag Left Want to Lead Everyone to Bernie Sanders

    “Chapo Trap House,” which started in 2016, typically runs between 60 and 90 minutes. Two episodes are released every week, one for free and one for the nearly 38,000 people who pay $5 a month through the crowdfunding site Patreon. It leads to a financial windfall for the self-professed socialists who are harnessing this rage: $168,800 a month from those subscribers alone....

    The topic is inequality, raging against the rich.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-chapo-trap-house.html
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    So how many kids does that make it for Boris?

    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1233806817026805762?s=20

    Officially or in total?
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    Genuinely think if Starmer becomes leader and puts into place a competent SC things might change quickly.
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    Well, there's dead cats and then there's this:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51691434
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    TGOHF666 said:
    Is this why he has been quiet all week?
    #classicdom
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956
    Carrie is oven ready then.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,995
    edited February 2020

    So how many kids does that make it for Boris?

    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1233806817026805762?s=20

    Congrats to them both, will be the first new baby in No 10 since Blair.

    Boris is 55 so will be very much an older father to his latest child, Carrie is only 31 though and will be her first child. Trump was even older at 60 when Melania had Barron, so Boris again following The Donald
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    Boris super power of virility doesn't seem to be waning with age.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,761
    Just build the bloody runway, and if they have to pass new legislation first then do that. Over a decade of talking about it so far, the only winner is Schipol until they start digging.

    A global player needs a global transit hub, not one where half the short-haul programme gets binned on a foggy day.
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    TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Another Con voter for the 2038 election.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,808
    Johnson trying to deflect from the shitshow by announcing fatherhood? Looks that way to me.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,900
    edited February 2020
    TGOHF666 said:

    Another Con voter for the 2038 election.

    If Sean is right there’ll be a significant shortfall well before then.
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    kinabalu said:

    Johnson trying to deflect from the shitshow by announcing fatherhood? Looks that way to me.

    Only gets to do it every nine months or so though.
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    Sandpit said:

    Just build the bloody runway, and if they have to pass new legislation first then do that. Over a decade of talking about it so far, the only winner is Schipol until they start digging.

    A global player needs a global transit hub, not one where half the short-haul programme gets binned on a foggy day.

    It's not going to happen. Move on.

    HS2 to an expanding Brum airport.
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    kinabalu said:

    Johnson trying to deflect from the shitshow by announcing fatherhood? Looks that way to me.

    Seems a real commitment to the cause to go to these lengths just in case you ever need to play the distraction card for a set of bad sunday front pages.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,853
    Sandpit said:

    Just build the bloody runway, and if they have to pass new legislation first then do that. Over a decade of talking about it so far, the only winner is Schipol until they start digging.

    A global player needs a global transit hub, not one where half the short-haul programme gets binned on a foggy day.

    Nor one where half the country can't actually fly into it for onward flights - For me Schipol is the only option.. Thankfully I didn't finish booking Milan at Easter..
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    Off topic on my own thread.? Tsk. Never mind.

    This review - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/saturday-review/our-bodies-their-battlefield-by-christina-lamb-review-67j2whw5s - is pretty hard to read. Imagine what the book must be like. And yet a hugely important subject which ought not to be overlooked, as too often it is.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,300
    I'm very pleased for them.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,761
    TGOHF666 said:
    I guess when the mistress becomes the wife it creates a vacancy.
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    HYUFD said:

    So how many kids does that make it for Boris?

    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1233806817026805762?s=20

    Congrats to them both, will be the first new baby in No 10 since Blair.

    Boris is 55 so will be very much an older father to his latest child, Carrie is only 31 though and will be her first child. Trump was even older at 60 when Melania had Barron, so Boris again following The Donald
    Imagine turning 18 and having a 73/4 year old Boris as your dad. Or don't......
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    kinabalu said:

    Johnson trying to deflect from the shitshow by announcing fatherhood? Looks that way to me.

    Only gets to do it every nine months or so though.
    Not sure our PM considers those constraints apply to him.
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    HYUFD said:

    So how many kids does that make it for Boris?

    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1233806817026805762?s=20

    Congrats to them both, will be the first new baby in No 10 since Blair.

    Boris is 55 so will be very much an older father to his latest child, Carrie is only 31 though and will be her first child. Trump was even older at 60 when Melania had Barron, so Boris again following The Donald
    Imagine turning 18 and having a 73/4 year old Boris as your dad. Or don't......
    Didn't Des O'Connor have a kid in his 70s?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,995
    Trump trolling Democrats with a big South Carolina rally ahead of the Democratic primary in the state tonight

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1233788838755151872?s=20
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,995

    HYUFD said:

    So how many kids does that make it for Boris?

    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1233806817026805762?s=20

    Congrats to them both, will be the first new baby in No 10 since Blair.

    Boris is 55 so will be very much an older father to his latest child, Carrie is only 31 though and will be her first child. Trump was even older at 60 when Melania had Barron, so Boris again following The Donald
    Imagine turning 18 and having a 73/4 year old Boris as your dad. Or don't......
    I suppose the trust fund would be some consolation
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 26,011

    HYUFD said:

    So how many kids does that make it for Boris?

    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1233806817026805762?s=20

    Congrats to them both, will be the first new baby in No 10 since Blair.

    Boris is 55 so will be very much an older father to his latest child, Carrie is only 31 though and will be her first child. Trump was even older at 60 when Melania had Barron, so Boris again following The Donald
    Imagine turning 18 and having a 73/4 year old Boris as your dad. Or don't......
    When the next three or four turn 18 he will be even older.
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    HYUFD said:

    Trump trolling Democrats with a big South Carolina rally ahead of the Democratic primary in the state tonight

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1233788838755151872?s=20

    He wont be doing these soon, when he finally gets his head around what a virus is.
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So how many kids does that make it for Boris?

    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1233806817026805762?s=20

    Congrats to them both, will be the first new baby in No 10 since Blair.

    Boris is 55 so will be very much an older father to his latest child, Carrie is only 31 though and will be her first child. Trump was even older at 60 when Melania had Barron, so Boris again following The Donald
    Imagine turning 18 and having a 73/4 year old Boris as your dad. Or don't......
    I suppose the trust fund would be some consolation
    Yes but a trust fund divided by n (unknown) may not be worth that much depending on n!
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,995

    HYUFD said:

    Trump trolling Democrats with a big South Carolina rally ahead of the Democratic primary in the state tonight

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1233788838755151872?s=20

    He wont be doing these soon, when he finally gets his head around what a virus is.
    He will, Trump rarely shakes hands anyway
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    Sandpit said:

    TGOHF666 said:
    I guess when the mistress becomes the wife it creates a vacancy.
    :lol:
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    kinabalu said:

    Johnson trying to deflect from the shitshow by announcing fatherhood? Looks that way to me.

    Have the nosy neighbours got the conception on tape, oven ready to sell to The Guardian?
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    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just build the bloody runway, and if they have to pass new legislation first then do that. Over a decade of talking about it so far, the only winner is Schipol until they start digging.

    A global player needs a global transit hub, not one where half the short-haul programme gets binned on a foggy day.

    Nor one where half the country can't actually fly into it for onward flights - For me Schipol is the only option.. Thankfully I didn't finish booking Milan at Easter..
    From memory Heathrow has connections to 7 other UK airports, Manchester is connected to 13 and Schipol 21.

    Schipol is the natural hub for the majority of the UK and if connecting at a hub is good enough for those of us away from London then surely it can be for those in London as well.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,461
    @Cyclefree - interesting, thanks. There was talk that a load of road projects might go the same way, but it sounds like this is a simple oversight by the government so it's a question of how much the government cares.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 26,011
    edited February 2020
    Sandpit said:

    TGOHF666 said:
    I guess when the mistress becomes the wife it creates a vacancy.
    If history repeats itself in Boris' case, several vacancies.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 59,278
    edited February 2020
    eadric said:
    Trump press mess in half an hour.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,300

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So how many kids does that make it for Boris?

    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1233806817026805762?s=20

    Congrats to them both, will be the first new baby in No 10 since Blair.

    Boris is 55 so will be very much an older father to his latest child, Carrie is only 31 though and will be her first child. Trump was even older at 60 when Melania had Barron, so Boris again following The Donald
    Imagine turning 18 and having a 73/4 year old Boris as your dad. Or don't......
    I suppose the trust fund would be some consolation
    Yes but a trust fund divided by n (unknown) may not be worth that much depending on n!
    N factorial - have Boriskids gone viral?
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,058
    TGOHF666 said:

    Another Con voter for the 2038 election.

    Doesn't necessarily work out like that.....I went out briefly with the daughter of a sitting Tory minister..she was a revolutionary, left wing Che leaning communist.....
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    eadric said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    THIS is definitely a sign that the French have lost their grip

    "Coronavirus: "We have so many suspicious cases that we can no longer screen everyone""

    https://twitter.com/le_Parisien/status/1233804970065092610?s=20

    It’s to be expected, the same as it isn’t possible to screen everyone for flu.
    As ever, you miss the point.

    The significance of this is that the French are admitting they cannot trace every suspicious case, and they are probably missing most.

    That means the first battle of containment is lost. Their only choice now will be to go to full on mass quarantine, close schools, etc
    Coronavirus : «On a tellement de cas suspects qu’on ne peut plus dépister tout le monde»
    Quentin Delannoy, urgentiste à l’hôpital Pitié-Salpêtrière à Paris, explique que, désormais, certains patients sont renvoyés chez eux sans être testés malgré des symptômes faisant penser au coronavirus.

    They are saying that even when they've got the buggers, and the buggers are clearly symptomatic, they haven't the capacity to test them. Not clear whether it's taking the swabs they don't have time for, or enough labs to analyse them, or neither is the case but they don't want to know because they have no strategy other than self-isolation anyway.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269
    tlg86 said:

    @Cyclefree - interesting, thanks. There was talk that a load of road projects might go the same way, but it sounds like this is a simple oversight by the government so it's a question of how much the government cares.

    Well, there is some government concern. Even if the government does correct mistakes and ultimately wins, the possibility of delays is a real one.

    See - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/heathrow-ruling-could-jeopardise-upgrade-of-roads-knnbgjskh.
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    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    Johnson trying to deflect from the shitshow by announcing fatherhood? Looks that way to me.

    Have the nosy neighbours got the conception on tape, oven ready to sell to The Guardian?
    You mean Javid?
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    tyson said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Another Con voter for the 2038 election.

    Doesn't necessarily work out like that.....I went out briefly with the daughter of a sitting Tory minister..she was a revolutionary, left wing Che leaning communist.....
    Aren't all kids of poshos? That seems to be the demographic of XR.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,932

    HYUFD said:

    So how many kids does that make it for Boris?

    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1233806817026805762?s=20

    Congrats to them both, will be the first new baby in No 10 since Blair.

    Boris is 55 so will be very much an older father to his latest child, Carrie is only 31 though and will be her first child. Trump was even older at 60 when Melania had Barron, so Boris again following The Donald
    Imagine turning 18 and having a 73/4 year old Boris as your dad. Or don't......
    Money, reputation.. I've imagined it - a huge party!

    Nothing much happened when I turned 18.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 77,724
    edited February 2020
    You all seem to be presuming that Boris has carefully considered financial future. Remember when Red Ken challenged him to release his tax returns and it revealed Boris wasn't even taking the most obvious of tax efficiency steps and basically paying way more tax that he really needed to.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,058
    Liverpool huffing and puffing...and doing very little.....
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,761
    HYUFD said:

    So how many kids does that make it for Boris?

    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1233806817026805762?s=20

    Congrats to them both, will be the first new baby in No 10 since Blair.

    Boris is 55 so will be very much an older father to his latest child, Carrie is only 31 though and will be her first child. Trump was even older at 60 when Melania had Barron, so Boris again following The Donald
    You’re forgetting Sam Cam, who had a bump when Dave was elected in 2010.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 26,011
    eadric said:
    Fake news?
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    Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    Extreme discrepancies of death rate by age:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

    This could seriously impact politics given the size of the age gap between parties.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,461
    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    @Cyclefree - interesting, thanks. There was talk that a load of road projects might go the same way, but it sounds like this is a simple oversight by the government so it's a question of how much the government cares.

    Well, there is some government concern. Even if the government does correct mistakes and ultimately wins, the possibility of delays is a real one.

    See - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/heathrow-ruling-could-jeopardise-upgrade-of-roads-knnbgjskh.
    What surprised me is that when this was talked about, no one suggested HS2 could be in trouble - it would seem an obvious thing for the anti-HS2 lot to look at.
    tyson said:

    Liverpool huffing and puffing...and doing very little.....

    Watford have a good midfield so they have the ability to frustrate Liverpool.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,058

    tyson said:

    TGOHF666 said:

    Another Con voter for the 2038 election.

    Doesn't necessarily work out like that.....I went out briefly with the daughter of a sitting Tory minister..she was a revolutionary, left wing Che leaning communist.....
    Aren't all kids of poshos? That seems to be the demographic of XR.
    She was surprisingly not posh considering her family ties....I guess children of politicians are more likely to be interested in politics....
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,671
    HYUFD said:

    Trump trolling Democrats with a big South Carolina rally ahead of the Democratic primary in the state tonight

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1233788838755151872?s=20

    He clearly genuinely believes Coronavirus is a hoax.

    I hope he's right.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,461
    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    Johnson trying to deflect from the shitshow by announcing fatherhood? Looks that way to me.

    Have the nosy neighbours got the conception on tape, oven ready to sell to The Guardian?
    "Early summer" suggests they were at it around the time of the prorogation.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,761
    edited February 2020

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just build the bloody runway, and if they have to pass new legislation first then do that. Over a decade of talking about it so far, the only winner is Schipol until they start digging.

    A global player needs a global transit hub, not one where half the short-haul programme gets binned on a foggy day.

    Nor one where half the country can't actually fly into it for onward flights - For me Schipol is the only option.. Thankfully I didn't finish booking Milan at Easter..
    From memory Heathrow has connections to 7 other UK airports, Manchester is connected to 13 and Schipol 21.

    Schipol is the natural hub for the majority of the UK and if connecting at a hub is good enough for those of us away from London then surely it can be for those in London as well.
    Both KLM and Emirates connect more UK destinations to their hubs than BA do into LHR. BA need that third runway open yesterday.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,461
    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    Well he is in an at-risk demographic.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,188

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just build the bloody runway, and if they have to pass new legislation first then do that. Over a decade of talking about it so far, the only winner is Schipol until they start digging.

    A global player needs a global transit hub, not one where half the short-haul programme gets binned on a foggy day.

    Nor one where half the country can't actually fly into it for onward flights - For me Schipol is the only option.. Thankfully I didn't finish booking Milan at Easter..
    From memory Heathrow has connections to 7 other UK airports, Manchester is connected to 13 and Schipol 21.

    Schipol is the natural hub for the majority of the UK and if connecting at a hub is good enough for those of us away from London then surely it can be for those in London as well.
    Can go via Heathrow or Schipol from Newcastle. I prefer Heathrow.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,900
    IshmaelZ said:

    eadric said:

    IanB2 said:

    eadric said:

    THIS is definitely a sign that the French have lost their grip

    "Coronavirus: "We have so many suspicious cases that we can no longer screen everyone""

    https://twitter.com/le_Parisien/status/1233804970065092610?s=20

    It’s to be expected, the same as it isn’t possible to screen everyone for flu.
    As ever, you miss the point.

    The significance of this is that the French are admitting they cannot trace every suspicious case, and they are probably missing most.

    That means the first battle of containment is lost. Their only choice now will be to go to full on mass quarantine, close schools, etc
    Coronavirus : «On a tellement de cas suspects qu’on ne peut plus dépister tout le monde»
    Quentin Delannoy, urgentiste à l’hôpital Pitié-Salpêtrière à Paris, explique que, désormais, certains patients sont renvoyés chez eux sans être testés malgré des symptômes faisant penser au coronavirus.

    They are saying that even when they've got the buggers, and the buggers are clearly symptomatic, they haven't the capacity to test them. Not clear whether it's taking the swabs they don't have time for, or enough labs to analyse them, or neither is the case but they don't want to know because they have no strategy other than self-isolation anyway.
    If you read the latest NHS stuff, we are moving to a strategy of “no need to test everyone any more”, now.
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    TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Boris and Carrie taking over from Harry and Megan.

    Very good public services.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 26,011
    eadric said:
    Agreed. I am not sure Mr Trump will see it in quite the same way.
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    tlg86 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    @Cyclefree - interesting, thanks. There was talk that a load of road projects might go the same way, but it sounds like this is a simple oversight by the government so it's a question of how much the government cares.

    Well, there is some government concern. Even if the government does correct mistakes and ultimately wins, the possibility of delays is a real one.

    See - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/heathrow-ruling-could-jeopardise-upgrade-of-roads-knnbgjskh.
    What surprised me is that when this was talked about, no one suggested HS2 could be in trouble - it would seem an obvious thing for the anti-HS2 lot to look at.
    tyson said:

    Liverpool huffing and puffing...and doing very little.....

    Watford have a good midfield so they have the ability to frustrate Liverpool.
    The delays in HS2 means that it reaches CO2 break even much earlier than previously predicted, the delays means the trains will be using much more green electricity as the nation moves towards renewals as the scheme is built.

    Cannot remember the exact date, but it does not take long for HS2 to reach carbon neutrality.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,995
    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,188
    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    Except it doesn’t.
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    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just build the bloody runway, and if they have to pass new legislation first then do that. Over a decade of talking about it so far, the only winner is Schipol until they start digging.

    A global player needs a global transit hub, not one where half the short-haul programme gets binned on a foggy day.

    Nor one where half the country can't actually fly into it for onward flights - For me Schipol is the only option.. Thankfully I didn't finish booking Milan at Easter..
    From memory Heathrow has connections to 7 other UK airports, Manchester is connected to 13 and Schipol 21.

    Schipol is the natural hub for the majority of the UK and if connecting at a hub is good enough for those of us away from London then surely it can be for those in London as well.
    Can go via Heathrow or Schipol from Newcastle. I prefer Heathrow.
    You can also get directly to Schipol by Eurostar.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,461

    tlg86 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    @Cyclefree - interesting, thanks. There was talk that a load of road projects might go the same way, but it sounds like this is a simple oversight by the government so it's a question of how much the government cares.

    Well, there is some government concern. Even if the government does correct mistakes and ultimately wins, the possibility of delays is a real one.

    See - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/heathrow-ruling-could-jeopardise-upgrade-of-roads-knnbgjskh.
    What surprised me is that when this was talked about, no one suggested HS2 could be in trouble - it would seem an obvious thing for the anti-HS2 lot to look at.
    tyson said:

    Liverpool huffing and puffing...and doing very little.....

    Watford have a good midfield so they have the ability to frustrate Liverpool.
    The delays in HS2 means that it reaches CO2 break even much earlier than previously predicted, the delays means the trains will be using much more green electricity as the nation moves towards renewals as the scheme is built.

    Cannot remember the exact date, but it does not take long for HS2 to reach carbon neutrality.
    Does that include the construction?
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    glwglw Posts: 9,595

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    Except it doesn’t.
    In Trumpland tiger-repelling rocks "work".
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,042
    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    You think he’ll do an Iraqi Information Minister act and tell people there’s no virus as people are dropping down dead all around him?
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    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    @Cyclefree - interesting, thanks. There was talk that a load of road projects might go the same way, but it sounds like this is a simple oversight by the government so it's a question of how much the government cares.

    Well, there is some government concern. Even if the government does correct mistakes and ultimately wins, the possibility of delays is a real one.

    See - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/heathrow-ruling-could-jeopardise-upgrade-of-roads-knnbgjskh.
    What surprised me is that when this was talked about, no one suggested HS2 could be in trouble - it would seem an obvious thing for the anti-HS2 lot to look at.
    tyson said:

    Liverpool huffing and puffing...and doing very little.....

    Watford have a good midfield so they have the ability to frustrate Liverpool.
    The delays in HS2 means that it reaches CO2 break even much earlier than previously predicted, the delays means the trains will be using much more green electricity as the nation moves towards renewals as the scheme is built.

    Cannot remember the exact date, but it does not take long for HS2 to reach carbon neutrality.
    Does that include the construction?
    Yep

    Construction is emitting 20% less CO2 than predicted

    Will be at break even well before 2050, including construction.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,995
    edited February 2020

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    You think he’ll do an Iraqi Information Minister act and tell people there’s no virus as people are dropping down dead all around him?
    The death rate for coronavirus is under 0.5% for under 50s, it only rises to more than 10% even amongst over 80s so that is not going to happen
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    You all seem to be presuming that Boris has carefully considered financial future. Remember when Red Ken challenged him to release his tax returns and it revealed Boris wasn't even taking the most obvious of tax efficiency steps and basically paying way more tax that he really needed to.

    And then the American IRS demanded a whopping amount of CGT when he sold some property. (Americans living abroad can credit foreign taxes paid against their US liability, and get a generous exclusion for foreign-earned income, but the US capital gains allowances are not very generous compared to the UK's.)
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    MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,516

    The Pied Pipers of the Dirtbag Left Want to Lead Everyone to Bernie Sanders

    “Chapo Trap House,” which started in 2016, typically runs between 60 and 90 minutes. Two episodes are released every week, one for free and one for the nearly 38,000 people who pay $5 a month through the crowdfunding site Patreon. It leads to a financial windfall for the self-professed socialists who are harnessing this rage: $168,800 a month from those subscribers alone....

    The topic is inequality, raging against the rich.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-chapo-trap-house.html

    As we all know you can't be a socialist with a positive bank balance nor a capitalist who supports the needy. I'm sure certain right wingers see all wealthy socialists as traitors to the free market.

    You can dislike the construct but still have to play the game.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    eadric said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump trolling Democrats with a big South Carolina rally ahead of the Democratic primary in the state tonight

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1233788838755151872?s=20

    He clearly genuinely believes Coronavirus is a hoax.

    I hope he's right.
    He had a big rally in a large enclosed space even as lethal coronavirus starts slaughtering Americans?

    Interesting electoral tactic. Infect and kill thousands of your own activists and supporters.
    I wonder if the Democrats will have to do their convention by phone?
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,188
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    You think he’ll do an Iraqi Information Minister act and tell people there’s no virus as people are dropping down dead all around him?
    The death rate for coronavirus is under 0.5% for under 50s, it only rises to more than 10% even amongst over 80s so that is not going to happen
    12m Americans are over 80 so that’s a good 1.2m deaths.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,058
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    You think he’ll do an Iraqi Information Minister act and tell people there’s no virus as people are dropping down dead all around him?
    The death rate for coronavirus is under 0.5% for under 50s, it only rises to more than 10% even amongst over 80s so that is not going to happen
    A virus outbreak will be fucking horrific......in Italy 30% require hospitalisation.....

    the fear and chaos a wider outbreak will create is unthinkable....I hope Trump is right
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,995
    eadric said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    You think he’ll do an Iraqi Information Minister act and tell people there’s no virus as people are dropping down dead all around him?
    The death rate for coronavirus is under 0.5% for under 50s, it only rises to more than 10% even amongst over 80s so that is not going to happen
    If 50% of Americans catch it and 2% of them die - a mid range scenario - then 4 million Americans will die and 20 million will require acute hospital treatment. So yeah, they will be dropping dead around him
    No they won't, 98% will still be alive and the majority of the 2% who do die will be in old peoples homes or elderly pensioners living at home
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,995
    edited February 2020

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    You think he’ll do an Iraqi Information Minister act and tell people there’s no virus as people are dropping down dead all around him?
    The death rate for coronavirus is under 0.5% for under 50s, it only rises to more than 10% even amongst over 80s so that is not going to happen
    12m Americans are over 80 so that’s a good 1.2m deaths.
    Given the average life expectancy in the US is 79 they would have already lived longer than the national average anyway
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 26,011
    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    If people start dropping like flies because they have little or no access to free Medicare, and Trump continues to complain that Coronavirus is all fake news, the ghost of Osama Bin Laden would beat him.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,188
    edited February 2020
    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    You think he’ll do an Iraqi Information Minister act and tell people there’s no virus as people are dropping down dead all around him?
    The death rate for coronavirus is under 0.5% for under 50s, it only rises to more than 10% even amongst over 80s so that is not going to happen
    If 50% of Americans catch it and 2% of them die - a mid range scenario - then 4 million Americans will die and 20 million will require acute hospital treatment. So yeah, they will be dropping dead around him
    No they won't, 98% will still be alive and the majority of the 2% who do die will be in old peoples homes or elderly pensioners living at home
    I feel like you’re taking “dropping dead around him” too literally.
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    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Just build the bloody runway, and if they have to pass new legislation first then do that. Over a decade of talking about it so far, the only winner is Schipol until they start digging.

    A global player needs a global transit hub, not one where half the short-haul programme gets binned on a foggy day.

    Nor one where half the country can't actually fly into it for onward flights - For me Schipol is the only option.. Thankfully I didn't finish booking Milan at Easter..
    From memory Heathrow has connections to 7 other UK airports, Manchester is connected to 13 and Schipol 21.

    Schipol is the natural hub for the majority of the UK and if connecting at a hub is good enough for those of us away from London then surely it can be for those in London as well.
    Can go via Heathrow or Schipol from Newcastle. I prefer Heathrow.
    You can also get directly to Schipol by Eurostar.
    YOU can go directly, I have to lug my bags from Euston to St. Pancras !

    Would be fair to say that Leeds Bradford more or less uses Schipol as a hub already.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,188
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    You think he’ll do an Iraqi Information Minister act and tell people there’s no virus as people are dropping down dead all around him?
    The death rate for coronavirus is under 0.5% for under 50s, it only rises to more than 10% even amongst over 80s so that is not going to happen
    12m Americans are over 80 so that’s a good 1.2m deaths.
    Given the average life expectancy in the US is 79 most of them would have already lived longer than the national average anyway
    Oh well that’s okay then. No political consequences.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,995
    edited February 2020

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    If people start dropping like flies because they have little or no access to free Medicare, and Trump continues to complain that Coronavirus is all fake news, the ghost of Osama Bin Laden would beat him.
    Hospital treatment will have near zero impact on coronavirus recovery, the vast majority who get it are far betting lying in bed at home with hot broth and riding it out and the vast majority of them will then recover
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,058
    rpjs said:

    eadric said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump trolling Democrats with a big South Carolina rally ahead of the Democratic primary in the state tonight

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1233788838755151872?s=20

    He clearly genuinely believes Coronavirus is a hoax.

    I hope he's right.
    He had a big rally in a large enclosed space even as lethal coronavirus starts slaughtering Americans?

    Interesting electoral tactic. Infect and kill thousands of your own activists and supporters.
    I wonder if the Democrats will have to do their convention by phone?
    I don't know if people get what could happen....there will be no US 2020, no Brexit 2020...no Olympic Games or sporting events.....there will just be a range of governments using a range of emergency measures to get through the crisis...

    Fortunately we have lived through decades of peace and prosperity...but history tells us nothing lasts.....

    Obviously I have everything crossed that this is a false alarm....but a pandemic along the lines of a 1917 Spanish Flu with a mortality rate of 1-2%, and 10-20% requiring acute medical interventions will fundamentally change the world....
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 26,011
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    If people start dropping like flies because they have little or no access to free Medicare, and Trump continues to complain that Coronavirus is all fake news, the ghost of Osama Bin Laden would beat him.
    Hospital treatment will have near zero impact on coronavirus recovery, the vast majority who get it are far betting lying in bed at home with hot broth and the vast majority of them will then recover
    ...a Doctor writes.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    If people start dropping like flies because they have little or no access to free Medicare, and Trump continues to complain that Coronavirus is all fake news, the ghost of Osama Bin Laden would beat him.
    Hospital treatment will have near zero impact on coronavirus recovery, the vast majority who get it are far betting lying in bed at home with hot broth and the vast majority of them will then recover
    Great Heavens, HYUFD, I had no idea you were a medical man.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,995
    edited February 2020
    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    If people start dropping like flies because they have little or no access to free Medicare, and Trump continues to complain that Coronavirus is all fake news, the ghost of Osama Bin Laden would beat him.
    Hospital treatment will have near zero impact on coronavirus recovery, the vast majority who get it are far betting lying in bed at home with hot broth and the vast majority of them will then recover
    Great Heavens, HYUFD, I had no idea you were a medical man.
    Anyone with half a brain knows there is no drug cure for flu, same with coronavirus, Lemsip and paracetamol ease the symptoms they do not cure it, there is no surgery for it either, you just have to ride it out
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    eadric said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    You think he’ll do an Iraqi Information Minister act and tell people there’s no virus as people are dropping down dead all around him?
    The death rate for coronavirus is under 0.5% for under 50s, it only rises to more than 10% even amongst over 80s so that is not going to happen
    12m Americans are over 80 so that’s a good 1.2m deaths.
    Given the average life expectancy in the US is 79 most of them would have already lived longer than the national average anyway
    Oh well that’s okay then. No political consequences.
    HYUFD believes that in the UK we will be perfectly fine with 250,000 dead and 1.5m in intensive care, because "500,000 die in a normal year". So we will barely notice.
    0.5% for under 50s means if you come down with it you have a 1/200 chance of death.

    That is bloody high, psychologically imho.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,058
    eadric said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    You think he’ll do an Iraqi Information Minister act and tell people there’s no virus as people are dropping down dead all around him?
    The death rate for coronavirus is under 0.5% for under 50s, it only rises to more than 10% even amongst over 80s so that is not going to happen
    12m Americans are over 80 so that’s a good 1.2m deaths.
    Given the average life expectancy in the US is 79 most of them would have already lived longer than the national average anyway
    Oh well that’s okay then. No political consequences.
    HYUFD believes that in the UK we will be perfectly fine with 250,000 dead and 1.5m in intensive care, because "500,000 die in a normal year". So we will barely notice.

    The 1918 Spanish flu is still etched into our collective memory- it's a 100 years ago- and we all know about it
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    So how many kids does that make it for Boris?

    https://twitter.com/PA/status/1233806817026805762?s=20

    Congrats to them both, will be the first new baby in No 10 since Blair.

    Boris is 55 so will be very much an older father to his latest child, Carrie is only 31 though and will be her first child. Trump was even older at 60 when Melania had Barron, so Boris again following The Donald
    Disgraceful human being brings more mouths to feed into the world should have been sterilized at birth.
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    tysontyson Posts: 6,058
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    If people start dropping like flies because they have little or no access to free Medicare, and Trump continues to complain that Coronavirus is all fake news, the ghost of Osama Bin Laden would beat him.
    Hospital treatment will have near zero impact on coronavirus recovery, the vast majority who get it are far betting lying in bed at home with hot broth and riding it out and the vast majority of them will then recover
    20-30% of the infected have required an acute intervention....most because they cannot breathe....that would be horrific....
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    nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    eadric said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump trolling Democrats with a big South Carolina rally ahead of the Democratic primary in the state tonight

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1233788838755151872?s=20

    He clearly genuinely believes Coronavirus is a hoax.

    I hope he's right.
    He had a big rally in a large enclosed space even as lethal coronavirus starts slaughtering Americans?

    Interesting electoral tactic. Infect and kill thousands of your own activists and supporters.
    Given he pays them $15 an hour to go they might be the right people to kill
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,995
    tyson said:

    eadric said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    You think he’ll do an Iraqi Information Minister act and tell people there’s no virus as people are dropping down dead all around him?
    The death rate for coronavirus is under 0.5% for under 50s, it only rises to more than 10% even amongst over 80s so that is not going to happen
    12m Americans are over 80 so that’s a good 1.2m deaths.
    Given the average life expectancy in the US is 79 most of them would have already lived longer than the national average anyway
    Oh well that’s okay then. No political consequences.
    HYUFD believes that in the UK we will be perfectly fine with 250,000 dead and 1.5m in intensive care, because "500,000 die in a normal year". So we will barely notice.

    The 1918 Spanish flu is still etched into our collective memory- it's a 100 years ago- and we all know about it
    Spanish flu had a 20% death rate, not 2% like coronavirus and we got over that
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    eadric said:

    Grim.

    Cases have basically doubled in France in a DAY

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1233821925551591424?s=20

    We have to adjust for the fact that they are admittedly not testing symptomatic potential cases. So it probably comes out as x 20 rather than x 2.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,995
    edited February 2020

    eadric said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    eadric said:

    I reckon Trump is doomed now.

    I doubt it, especially as the left-wing Sanders is his likely opponent and he can state his hardline border control policy reduces the risks of coronavirus entering the USA
    You think he’ll do an Iraqi Information Minister act and tell people there’s no virus as people are dropping down dead all around him?
    The death rate for coronavirus is under 0.5% for under 50s, it only rises to more than 10% even amongst over 80s so that is not going to happen
    12m Americans are over 80 so that’s a good 1.2m deaths.
    Given the average life expectancy in the US is 79 most of them would have already lived longer than the national average anyway
    Oh well that’s okay then. No political consequences.
    HYUFD believes that in the UK we will be perfectly fine with 250,000 dead and 1.5m in intensive care, because "500,000 die in a normal year". So we will barely notice.
    0.5% for under 50s means if you come down with it you have a 1/200 chance of death.

    That is bloody high, psychologically imho.
    I have undergone surgery with a higher death rate than that and am under 50, man up
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