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  • Andy_JS said:

    "Little Britain: comedy from a less uptight age

    It’s only been off the air for 15 years, and already it’s ‘problematic’."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/06/little-britain-comedy-from-a-less-uptight-age/

    I was never a fan, but would the likes of the only gay in the village, the fat fighter lady or yeah, but no, but yeah girl really not fly today from a PC perspective?

    I seemed to remember there was the character that Matt Lucas dressed up as an Thai bridge, which I imagine would go on the no list.

    I would have thought Netflix would give them a gig if they really wanted to reprise it.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,660
    edited February 2020
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    In the primaries, or the general ?
    In a contest against Trump, I wouldn't even hesitate.

    Me neither. And to show that this is not just because my politics are close to people like Sanders and Warren - and hence an easy choice - I would vote for the wackiest of right wing libertarians (assuming they were a decent person) over Trump. Man has to go.
    Ayn Rand or Trump the decision of our time. I think I might swing Trump.
  • rawzer said:

    Anyone suggested this Leave classic yet?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN7r0Rr1Qyc

    This is always my No1 nomination for most frightening 5 minutes of film in movie history. 'Here's Jonny' doesn't really cut the mustard
    Didn't know this:
    "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" was written by John Kander and Fred Ebb in the style of a traditional German song, sung by the Nazi youth in the movie, to stir up patriotism for the "fatherland". It has often been mistaken for a genuine "Nazi anthem" and has led to the songwriters being accused of anti-Semitism."
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,121
    edited February 2020
    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    eek said:

    Lennon said:

    Was trying to think of the most Sunderland band - and only came up with Lauren Laverne who doesn't strike me as being particularly leave... so instead...

    Catatonia: Leave
    Sleeper: Remain

    I'm probably showing my age but The Toy Dolls (Nellie the Elephant) and Dave Stewart (Eurythmics) spring to mind more than Kenickie does.

    None of them except possibly the Toy Dolls scream Leave to me.

    Also Cerys Matthews voting Leave????
    Doesn't she live in Nashville?
    Given she is on 6Music every Sunday morning I don't think so.
    I believe she came back to the UK when her marriage to a Nashville music exec broke down.
  • rawzerrawzer Posts: 189
    Not a big Dire Straits fan but this is how they did Presidential impeachment when they were allowed to have an accompanying soundtrack


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuLZEMofG7o


  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    The Paul Heaton who wrote the line "crap into your union Jack and wrap it round your head"? Not a leaver, i don't think.

    No.

    https://w.youtube.com/watch?v=o-uUS6bSOP4
    Yes, but

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJOHuY7BJmc
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    edited February 2020

    Andy_JS said:

    "Little Britain: comedy from a less uptight age

    It’s only been off the air for 15 years, and already it’s ‘problematic’."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/06/little-britain-comedy-from-a-less-uptight-age/

    I was never a fan, but would the likes of the only gay in the village, the fat fighter lady or yeah, but no, but yeah girl really not fly today from a PC perspective?

    I seemed to remember there was the character that Matt Lucas dressed up as an Thai bridge, which I imagine would go on the no list.

    I would have thought Netflix would give them a gig if they really wanted to reprise it.
    "...Matt Lucas dressed up as a Thai bridge..."

    Would that be the one over the River Kwai? :wink:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,121
    edited February 2020

    Andy_JS said:

    "Little Britain: comedy from a less uptight age

    It’s only been off the air for 15 years, and already it’s ‘problematic’."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/06/little-britain-comedy-from-a-less-uptight-age/

    I was never a fan, but would the likes of the only gay in the village, the fat fighter lady or yeah, but no, but yeah girl really not fly today from a PC perspective?

    I seemed to remember there was the character that Matt Lucas dressed up as an Thai bridge, which I imagine would go on the no list.

    I would have thought Netflix would give them a gig if they really wanted to reprise it.
    "...Matt Lucas dressed up as an Thai bridge..."

    Would that be the one over the River Kwai? :wink:
    LOL...bloody auto-suggestion.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    phiw said:

    Buttigieg still not officially on his home state of Indiana's Primary Ballot.

    https://www.in.gov/sos/elections/files/2020 Candidate Filings - Feb 5 2020.pdf

    I actually just called the Election department and they told me he still hasn't filed, but he's expected to do so today (with a deadline of noon tomorrow).

    Seems to be cutting it close, can't imagine he couldn't manage 4500 signatures (500 x 9 districts). I guess we'll find out tomorrow!

    Typically the state clarkes go though the names and remove lots for slight spelling mistakes in addresses, or other things, I don't know about Indiana but in some states one spelling mistake on one name and that whole sheet of names is disregarded. therefor the campaigns typically try to put in 3 times the number of people required. I would expect that his team are using the time to get every last name they can to avoid missing the limit.
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Little Britain: comedy from a less uptight age

    It’s only been off the air for 15 years, and already it’s ‘problematic’."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/06/little-britain-comedy-from-a-less-uptight-age/

    It was regarded as problematic back in its day:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-why-i-hate-little-britain-516388.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,121
    edited February 2020

    Andy_JS said:

    "Little Britain: comedy from a less uptight age

    It’s only been off the air for 15 years, and already it’s ‘problematic’."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/06/little-britain-comedy-from-a-less-uptight-age/

    It was regarded as problematic back in its day:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-why-i-hate-little-britain-516388.html
    Are we sure the quotes in that article are accurate? You know given Johann's record and all....
  • The multi lingual progeny of immigrants are awesome.

    Native English speakers have fallen behind the children of immigrants in GCSE maths and English, government figures show today.

    Teenagers who speak English as an additional language have edged ahead of classmates in achieving strong passes (grades nine to five — equivalent to an A* to a high C under the old grading system) in the two core subjects.

    This measure was achieved by 43.4 per cent of English speakers and 43.3 per cent of those whose first language was not English in 2018. Last summer 43.2 per cent of native speakers reached this level, a drop of 0.2 percentage points, compared with 43.8 per cent of those for whom English was not their first language, an increase of 0.5 percentage points.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gcse-english-results-native-speakers-fall-behind-immigrant-children-qg2bmpz0v
  • NYT:

    "Bernie Sanders has a huge January haul.
    Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont raised $25 million in January, his campaign said on Thursday, a staggering sum that gives him an enviable financial advantage at a crucial moment in the Democratic primary race.

    He plans to use the windfall to immediately buy $5.5 million in television and digital ads across 10 states, at a time when some of his rivals are shifting or cutting their existing ad reservations."

    Tell me US Dems are not about to do a Corbyn.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    phiw said:

    Buttigieg still not officially on his home state of Indiana's Primary Ballot.

    https://www.in.gov/sos/elections/files/2020 Candidate Filings - Feb 5 2020.pdf

    I actually just called the Election department and they told me he still hasn't filed, but he's expected to do so today (with a deadline of noon tomorrow).

    Seems to be cutting it close, can't imagine he couldn't manage 4500 signatures (500 x 9 districts). I guess we'll find out tomorrow!

    Yay! Good to see another dogatar!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    FPT @TOPPING

    No you are wrong again as you strain to be right the first time. I meant representation for Muslims as in they would have a party elected that prioritised them, not some official body that controls them. A mechanism that gives THEM control. I don’t think they should be ‘controlled’, that’s a figment if your imagination

    ... and I didn’t say I wasn’t a racist!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    isam said:

    FPT @TOPPING

    No you are wrong again as you strain to be right the first time. I meant representation for Muslims as in they would have a party elected that prioritised them, not some official body that controls them. A mechanism that gives THEM control. I don’t think they should be ‘controlled’, that’s a figment if your imagination

    ... and I didn’t say I wasn’t a racist!

    PB Poster defending themselves against the charge of not being a racist. That's a first.
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Little Britain: comedy from a less uptight age

    It’s only been off the air for 15 years, and already it’s ‘problematic’."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/06/little-britain-comedy-from-a-less-uptight-age/

    It was regarded as problematic back in its day:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-why-i-hate-little-britain-516388.html
    Are we sure the quotes in that article are accurate? You know given Johann's record and all....
    The most dated thing about the article is how the lower orders were once vilified by the British Right. Since Brexit they've been canonized and made recipients of oodles of Boris bounty. Is it guilt?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,468

    Andy_JS said:

    "Little Britain: comedy from a less uptight age

    It’s only been off the air for 15 years, and already it’s ‘problematic’."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/06/little-britain-comedy-from-a-less-uptight-age/

    It was regarded as problematic back in its day:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-why-i-hate-little-britain-516388.html
    Are we sure the quotes in that article are accurate? You know given Johann's record and all....
    How come we spit on Hari and laud Johnson?
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Little Britain: comedy from a less uptight age

    It’s only been off the air for 15 years, and already it’s ‘problematic’."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/06/little-britain-comedy-from-a-less-uptight-age/

    It was regarded as problematic back in its day:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-why-i-hate-little-britain-516388.html
    Are we sure the quotes in that article are accurate? You know given Johann's record and all....
    How come we spit on Hari and laud Johnson?
    I wasn't aware I have ever lauded Johnson.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,468

    Andy_JS said:

    "Little Britain: comedy from a less uptight age

    It’s only been off the air for 15 years, and already it’s ‘problematic’."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/06/little-britain-comedy-from-a-less-uptight-age/

    It was regarded as problematic back in its day:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-why-i-hate-little-britain-516388.html
    Are we sure the quotes in that article are accurate? You know given Johann's record and all....
    How come we spit on Hari and laud Johnson?
    I wasn't aware I have ever lauded Johnson.
    I was speaking generally. Apologies.
  • phiwphiw Posts: 32

    phiw said:

    Buttigieg still not officially on his home state of Indiana's Primary Ballot.

    https://www.in.gov/sos/elections/files/2020 Candidate Filings - Feb 5 2020.pdf

    I actually just called the Election department and they told me he still hasn't filed, but he's expected to do so today (with a deadline of noon tomorrow).

    Seems to be cutting it close, can't imagine he couldn't manage 4500 signatures (500 x 9 districts). I guess we'll find out tomorrow!

    Yay! Good to see another dogatar!
    I think she captured my usual mood of curious indifference.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    Andy_JS said:

    "Little Britain: comedy from a less uptight age

    It’s only been off the air for 15 years, and already it’s ‘problematic’."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/06/little-britain-comedy-from-a-less-uptight-age/

    It was regarded as problematic back in its day:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-why-i-hate-little-britain-516388.html
    Are we sure the quotes in that article are accurate? You know given Johann's record and all....
    The most dated thing about the article is how the lower orders were once vilified by the British Right. Since Brexit they've been canonized and made recipients of oodles of Boris bounty. Is it guilt?
    Can you give some examples of the 'oodles of Boris bounty' that has actually been (or is ever likely to be) delivered?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    phiw said:

    phiw said:

    Buttigieg still not officially on his home state of Indiana's Primary Ballot.

    https://www.in.gov/sos/elections/files/2020 Candidate Filings - Feb 5 2020.pdf

    I actually just called the Election department and they told me he still hasn't filed, but he's expected to do so today (with a deadline of noon tomorrow).

    Seems to be cutting it close, can't imagine he couldn't manage 4500 signatures (500 x 9 districts). I guess we'll find out tomorrow!

    Yay! Good to see another dogatar!
    I think she captured my usual mood of curious indifference.
    Looks to me like she's thinking "You stupid, stupid humans..."
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,468

    Andy_JS said:

    "Little Britain: comedy from a less uptight age

    It’s only been off the air for 15 years, and already it’s ‘problematic’."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/06/little-britain-comedy-from-a-less-uptight-age/

    It was regarded as problematic back in its day:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-why-i-hate-little-britain-516388.html
    Are we sure the quotes in that article are accurate? You know given Johann's record and all....
    The most dated thing about the article is how the lower orders were once vilified by the British Right. Since Brexit they've been canonized and made recipients of oodles of Boris bounty. Is it guilt?
    Can you give some examples of the 'oodles of Boris bounty' that has actually been (or is ever likely to be) delivered?
    The cheque is, I understand, in the post!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Warren still going at it in South Carolina so she won't be withdrawing after NH no matter what

    https://twitter.com/joshjame/status/1225442391034863617?s=19
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,121
    edited February 2020
    That article is rather bitchy...

    "What are you, the only gay in the village? I know Matt Lucas is gay (although he is still so conflicted about his sexuality he almost never discusses it publicly). And I know he is not responsible for how idiots might twist his jokes for their own agenda -- but the problem is, they didn't have to do much twisting."

    I believe Hari is also gay and he must have been well aware of all that goes along with that as somebody growing up 20-30 years previous. It was also not true, as Lucas had been in a relationship with the same guy from 2002 to 2008 (and it appears it was all very tragic and ultimately the guy killed himself).

    I am not sure how the tw@tter mob would react in 2020 to a journalist suggesting somebody being conflicted about their sexuality.
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Little Britain: comedy from a less uptight age

    It’s only been off the air for 15 years, and already it’s ‘problematic’."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/06/little-britain-comedy-from-a-less-uptight-age/

    It was regarded as problematic back in its day:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-why-i-hate-little-britain-516388.html
    Are we sure the quotes in that article are accurate? You know given Johann's record and all....
    The most dated thing about the article is how the lower orders were once vilified by the British Right. Since Brexit they've been canonized and made recipients of oodles of Boris bounty. Is it guilt?
    Is it because the Right can now get their votes?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,359
    Andy_JS said:

    "Little Britain: comedy from a less uptight age

    It’s only been off the air for 15 years, and already it’s ‘problematic’."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/06/little-britain-comedy-from-a-less-uptight-age/

    It was crap at the time
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,468
    Alistair said:

    Warren still going at it in South Carolina so she won't be withdrawing after NH no matter what

    https://twitter.com/joshjame/status/1225442391034863617?s=19

    Wouldn't go down well in left-wing circles here.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,211
    Leave : Frankie Goes to Hollywood
    Remain : Frankie Goes to Hollywood
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,627

    Andy_JS said:

    "Little Britain: comedy from a less uptight age

    It’s only been off the air for 15 years, and already it’s ‘problematic’."

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/06/little-britain-comedy-from-a-less-uptight-age/

    I was never a fan, but would the likes of the only gay in the village, the fat fighter lady or yeah, but no, but yeah girl really not fly today from a PC perspective?

    I seemed to remember there was the character that Matt Lucas dressed up as an Thai bridge, which I imagine would go on the no list.

    I would have thought Netflix would give them a gig if they really wanted to reprise it.
    “Computer says ‘no’” - one of the most precident phrases of the past 15 years.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,211

    Alistair said:

    Warren still going at it in South Carolina so she won't be withdrawing after NH no matter what

    https://twitter.com/joshjame/status/1225442391034863617?s=19

    Wouldn't go down well in left-wing circles here.
    Middle class is much broader in the USA.
  • Schools...Hospitals....Ferries....nah! Flegs.....

    https://twitter.com/JournoStephen/status/1225441426059730944?s=20
  • Can I suggest on the topic of Leave or Remain songs that Queen have both songs covered.

    Remain: Queen (One Vision)
    Leave: Queen (I Want To Break Free)

    Could have picked a few songs on both sides from their vast catalogue.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,359
    edited February 2020

    Schools...Hospitals....Ferries....nah! Flegs.....

    https://twitter.com/JournoStephen/status/1225441426059730944?s=20

    What else would you expect from rabid Tory loser, budget of billions upon billions and the only flaw the unionists can find is a few bawbees been spent on flags. Especially given it is dribble written by bawbag Stephen
    PS: I bet Boris spent more on chocolate biscuits
    PS: A few more the blubber bag missed
    Record NHS funding, the fairest tax system in the UK, more investment to tackle climate change, new investment to tackle child poverty.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,121
    edited February 2020
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Warren still going at it in South Carolina so she won't be withdrawing after NH no matter what

    https://twitter.com/joshjame/status/1225442391034863617?s=19

    Wouldn't go down well in left-wing circles here.
    Middle class is much broader in the USA.
    Middle Class in the US doesn't really mean the same thing. It really encapsulates working people who have steady jobs often in semi-skilled / skilled roles, so in the UK it would include pretty much all what we call the working class e.g. all your factory / warehouse type workers.

    It is a way of referring to a demographic of people who aren't on benefits, but head off to work every day, even for very low wages e.g. we would call working poor, through to normal office type workers.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Leave : Frankie Goes to Hollywood
    Remain : Frankie Goes to Hollywood

    Ultimate 80's Leave: Get the Funk Out (Extreme)
    Ultimate 80's Remain: Don't Leave Me This Way (Communards)
  • Mr. Thompson, Queen are excellent.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405
    malcolmg said:

    Schools...Hospitals....Ferries....nah! Flegs.....

    https://twitter.com/JournoStephen/status/1225441426059730944?s=20

    What else would you expect from rabid Tory loser, budget of billions upon billions and the only flaw the unionists can find is a few bawbees been spent on flags. Especially given it is dribble written by bawbag Stephen
    PS: I bet Boris spent more on chocolate biscuits
    No more than what other regions in the UK will spend promoting their area rather than others for investment.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729

    Schools...Hospitals....Ferries....nah! Flegs.....

    https://twitter.com/JournoStephen/status/1225441426059730944?s=20

    I guess having an international affair is more expensive than having one at home.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405
    edited February 2020
    Pulpstar said:

    Leave : Frankie Goes to Hollywood
    Remain : Frankie Goes to Hollywood

    This seems appropriate

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXWVpcypf0w
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    NYT:

    "Bernie Sanders has a huge January haul.
    Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont raised $25 million in January, his campaign said on Thursday, a staggering sum that gives him an enviable financial advantage at a crucial moment in the Democratic primary race.

    He plans to use the windfall to immediately buy $5.5 million in television and digital ads across 10 states, at a time when some of his rivals are shifting or cutting their existing ad reservations."

    Tell me US Dems are not about to do a Corbyn.

    I suspect Petes has had Team a wave of donations over the last 48 hours, the other might be struggling.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,219

    Can I suggest on the topic of Leave or Remain songs that Queen have both songs covered.

    Remain: Queen (One Vision)
    Leave: Queen (I Want To Break Free)

    Could have picked a few songs on both sides from their vast catalogue.

    Brilliant.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,359
    edited February 2020
    Tories could not cast stones at anyone given their record and if it had been Tory it would have been a one day suspension at best, or perhaps a days education.
    Difference is SNP root out their bad ones quickly , no hiding them for a few weeks like Tories do.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Can I suggest on the topic of Leave or Remain songs that Queen have both songs covered.

    Remain: Queen (One Vision)
    Leave: Queen (I Want To Break Free)

    Could have picked a few songs on both sides from their vast catalogue.

    Remain: Trapped by Colonel Abrams
    Leave: Free by Ultra Nate
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,219
    Alistair said:

    Warren still going at it in South Carolina so she won't be withdrawing after NH no matter what

    https://twitter.com/joshjame/status/1225442391034863617?s=19

    I don't think anyone expects Warren to drop out anytime soon. While she's behind Bernie and Buttigieg in terms of money, she's well ahead of Biden.

    And the longer she stays in, the better her leverage with Sanders (or whoever the eventual nominee is).

    I think Warren is a good shot for Nevada. There's strong union presence, and I think she may well get the crucial endorsements there. I also get the feeling she's better organised in state than Sanders. She really needs a win, and pulling one out in Nevada might be just what she needs.
  • He offered his resignation last night after the allegations were brought to the attention of the First Minister Nicola Sturgeon. However, The Scotsman has learned he did not reveal the extent of the messages, and it was only this morning that Ms Sturgeon was made aware of the full extent of his contact with the teenager.

    As a result she suspended him from the SNP and from the parliamentary group and has launched an internal party investigation.


    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/police-call-for-information-on-derek-mackay-allegations-1-5086936
  • phiwphiw Posts: 32
    BigRich said:

    phiw said:

    Buttigieg still not officially on his home state of Indiana's Primary Ballot.

    https://www.in.gov/sos/elections/files/2020 Candidate Filings - Feb 5 2020.pdf

    I actually just called the Election department and they told me he still hasn't filed, but he's expected to do so today (with a deadline of noon tomorrow).

    Seems to be cutting it close, can't imagine he couldn't manage 4500 signatures (500 x 9 districts). I guess we'll find out tomorrow!

    Typically the state clarkes go though the names and remove lots for slight spelling mistakes in addresses, or other things, I don't know about Indiana but in some states one spelling mistake on one name and that whole sheet of names is disregarded. therefor the campaigns typically try to put in 3 times the number of people required. I would expect that his team are using the time to get every last name they can to avoid missing the limit.
    Makes sense, though it now looks like this was plan all along to get some media out of it:

    https://www.wthr.com/article/hogsett-present-signatures-required-place-buttigieg-indianas-may-ballot

    Mystery solved.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    Can I suggest on the topic of Leave or Remain songs that Queen have both songs covered.

    Remain: Queen (One Vision)
    Leave: Queen (I Want To Break Free)

    Could have picked a few songs on both sides from their vast catalogue.

    Both very good; both fit their themes. I can't think anyone will improve on that.
  • Mr. Pointer, and the EU itself could have The Show Must Go On.
  • Special addition out already


    On sale now in all good adult bookshops. https://t.co/kordHeQX1t
  • Can I suggest on the topic of Leave or Remain songs that Queen have both songs covered.

    Remain: Queen (One Vision)
    Leave: Queen (I Want To Break Free)

    Could have picked a few songs on both sides from their vast catalogue.

    Pet Shop Boys do both with one song - Indefinite Leave to Remain
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,864
    malcolmg said:

    Tories could not cast stones at anyone given their record and if it had been Tory it would have been a one day suspension at best, or perhaps a days education.
    Difference is SNP root out their bad ones quickly , no hiding them for a few weeks like Tories do.
    *cough* Salmond *cough*.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231
    edited February 2020
    isam said:

    FPT @TOPPING

    No you are wrong again as you strain to be right the first time. I meant representation for Muslims as in they would have a party elected that prioritised them, not some official body that controls them. A mechanism that gives THEM control. I don’t think they should be ‘controlled’, that’s a figment if your imagination

    ... and I didn’t say I wasn’t a racist!

    There's a Houellebecq novel on this which I've read. A Muslim party achieves power in France and implements Sharia. Quite a tale it is. Personally, I would not wish to see such a party here. Does this make me an Islamophobe? I don't think so. I could still be an Islamophobe. It's just that opposing the concept of a "Muslim Brotherhood" political party in the UK does not make me one. In fact the notion of any political party to represent one particular religion or race is rather troubling to me. Is it even legal in the UK? As regards whether you or anyone else is "a" racist - or the considerably softer drop the noun and go with the adjective "racist" - the most important thing is whether astute observers think you are, not what you yourself think. For example, if you think you aren't racist but astute people think you are, then you are. Conversely, if you think you are racist but astute observers think you aren't, then sure as eggs are eggs you aren't.
  • Mr. Pointer, and the EU itself could have The Show Must Go On.

    It doesn't want to have Another One Bites The Dust
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,468
    phiw said:

    BigRich said:

    phiw said:

    Buttigieg still not officially on his home state of Indiana's Primary Ballot.

    https://www.in.gov/sos/elections/files/2020 Candidate Filings - Feb 5 2020.pdf

    I actually just called the Election department and they told me he still hasn't filed, but he's expected to do so today (with a deadline of noon tomorrow).

    Seems to be cutting it close, can't imagine he couldn't manage 4500 signatures (500 x 9 districts). I guess we'll find out tomorrow!

    Typically the state clarkes go though the names and remove lots for slight spelling mistakes in addresses, or other things, I don't know about Indiana but in some states one spelling mistake on one name and that whole sheet of names is disregarded. therefor the campaigns typically try to put in 3 times the number of people required. I would expect that his team are using the time to get every last name they can to avoid missing the limit.
    Makes sense, though it now looks like this was plan all along to get some media out of it:

    https://www.wthr.com/article/hogsett-present-signatures-required-place-buttigieg-indianas-may-ballot

    Mystery solved.
    Safari won't let on to that site.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Banterman said:

    Special addition out already


    On sale now in all good adult bookshops. https://t.co/kordHeQX1t

    Is that his wife?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,219

    NYT:

    "Bernie Sanders has a huge January haul.
    Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont raised $25 million in January, his campaign said on Thursday, a staggering sum that gives him an enviable financial advantage at a crucial moment in the Democratic primary race.

    He plans to use the windfall to immediately buy $5.5 million in television and digital ads across 10 states, at a time when some of his rivals are shifting or cutting their existing ad reservations."

    Tell me US Dems are not about to do a Corbyn.

    They might well do,

    But remember, it's probably in the best interest of America and the World that Trump is re-elected. Trump has been following the same fiscal policies as Anthony Barber and Edward Heath. The government spending ahead of income late in the economic cycle. Right now, the US government is on track to run a deficit of 5% of GDP this year.

    That's worse than during the Korean or Vietnam or Iraq or any other war post WW2. It's worse than in any recession, bar two years of the GFC.

    Normally deficits are counter-cyclical. The economy grows, so do tax receipts, and the deficit shrinks. Deliberately running a massive deficit now, so as to goose economic growth into an election is storing up massive amounts of trouble. When the slowdown comes, where does deficit spending go? 8% of GDP? 10%?

    And, of course, deficit spending like this makes it impossible to close the current account gap.

    Trump and the Republicans need to clean this mess up. Trump must be re-elected.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    So the latest Coronavirus patient didn't catch it in China, not really plausible this is going to be contained.
  • phiwphiw Posts: 32

    phiw said:

    BigRich said:

    phiw said:

    Buttigieg still not officially on his home state of Indiana's Primary Ballot.

    https://www.in.gov/sos/elections/files/2020 Candidate Filings - Feb 5 2020.pdf

    I actually just called the Election department and they told me he still hasn't filed, but he's expected to do so today (with a deadline of noon tomorrow).

    Seems to be cutting it close, can't imagine he couldn't manage 4500 signatures (500 x 9 districts). I guess we'll find out tomorrow!

    Typically the state clarkes go though the names and remove lots for slight spelling mistakes in addresses, or other things, I don't know about Indiana but in some states one spelling mistake on one name and that whole sheet of names is disregarded. therefor the campaigns typically try to put in 3 times the number of people required. I would expect that his team are using the time to get every last name they can to avoid missing the limit.
    Makes sense, though it now looks like this was plan all along to get some media out of it:

    https://www.wthr.com/article/hogsett-present-signatures-required-place-buttigieg-indianas-may-ballot

    Mystery solved.
    Safari won't let on to that site.
    Really? It's a local news site, seems fine on Chrome.

    Same story here:

    https://cbs4indy.com/2020/02/06/hogsett-to-officially-place-pete-buttigieg-on-hoosier-primary-ballot/
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729
    malcolmg said:

    Tories could not cast stones at anyone given their record and if it had been Tory it would have been a one day suspension at best, or perhaps a days education.
    Difference is SNP root out their bad ones quickly , no hiding them for a few weeks like Tories do.
    what utter bollocks.. no one would have know had it not been for the Scottish Sun.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    edited February 2020
    phiw said:

    phiw said:

    BigRich said:

    phiw said:

    Buttigieg still not officially on his home state of Indiana's Primary Ballot.

    https://www.in.gov/sos/elections/files/2020 Candidate Filings - Feb 5 2020.pdf

    I actually just called the Election department and they told me he still hasn't filed, but he's expected to do so today (with a deadline of noon tomorrow).

    Seems to be cutting it close, can't imagine he couldn't manage 4500 signatures (500 x 9 districts). I guess we'll find out tomorrow!

    Typically the state clarkes go though the names and remove lots for slight spelling mistakes in addresses, or other things, I don't know about Indiana but in some states one spelling mistake on one name and that whole sheet of names is disregarded. therefor the campaigns typically try to put in 3 times the number of people required. I would expect that his team are using the time to get every last name they can to avoid missing the limit.
    Makes sense, though it now looks like this was plan all along to get some media out of it:

    https://www.wthr.com/article/hogsett-present-signatures-required-place-buttigieg-indianas-may-ballot

    Mystery solved.
    Safari won't let on to that site.
    Really? It's a local news site, seems fine on Chrome.

    Same story here:

    https://cbs4indy.com/2020/02/06/hogsett-to-officially-place-pete-buttigieg-on-hoosier-primary-ballot/
    To which Safari* reports:

    "Sorry, this content is not available in your region."

    (* Same with Firefox and Chrome)
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    rcs1000 said:

    NYT:

    "Bernie Sanders has a huge January haul.
    Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont raised $25 million in January, his campaign said on Thursday, a staggering sum that gives him an enviable financial advantage at a crucial moment in the Democratic primary race.

    He plans to use the windfall to immediately buy $5.5 million in television and digital ads across 10 states, at a time when some of his rivals are shifting or cutting their existing ad reservations."

    Tell me US Dems are not about to do a Corbyn.

    They might well do,

    But remember, it's probably in the best interest of America and the World that Trump is re-elected. Trump has been following the same fiscal policies as Anthony Barber and Edward Heath. The government spending ahead of income late in the economic cycle. Right now, the US government is on track to run a deficit of 5% of GDP this year.

    That's worse than during the Korean or Vietnam or Iraq or any other war post WW2. It's worse than in any recession, bar two years of the GFC.

    Normally deficits are counter-cyclical. The economy grows, so do tax receipts, and the deficit shrinks. Deliberately running a massive deficit now, so as to goose economic growth into an election is storing up massive amounts of trouble. When the slowdown comes, where does deficit spending go? 8% of GDP? 10%?

    And, of course, deficit spending like this makes it impossible to close the current account gap.

    Trump and the Republicans need to clean this mess up. Trump must be re-elected.
    Given that if trump does win, he will then not be elegable for another election, he is probably better positioned to do things that will make him temporarily unpopular, i.e. budget cuts. and tax rises. but will he? and if he does will he be able to get that though the congress?

    As you say running a budget deficit of a trillion dolers 5% of GDP after 10 years of economic growth, is not sustainable, ether somebody terns this around or we will have to get used to thinking of the USA as a second rate nation soon.
  • rcs1000 said:

    NYT:

    "Bernie Sanders has a huge January haul.
    Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont raised $25 million in January, his campaign said on Thursday, a staggering sum that gives him an enviable financial advantage at a crucial moment in the Democratic primary race.

    He plans to use the windfall to immediately buy $5.5 million in television and digital ads across 10 states, at a time when some of his rivals are shifting or cutting their existing ad reservations."

    Tell me US Dems are not about to do a Corbyn.

    They might well do,

    But remember, it's probably in the best interest of America and the World that Trump is re-elected. Trump has been following the same fiscal policies as Anthony Barber and Edward Heath. The government spending ahead of income late in the economic cycle. Right now, the US government is on track to run a deficit of 5% of GDP this year.

    That's worse than during the Korean or Vietnam or Iraq or any other war post WW2. It's worse than in any recession, bar two years of the GFC.

    Normally deficits are counter-cyclical. The economy grows, so do tax receipts, and the deficit shrinks. Deliberately running a massive deficit now, so as to goose economic growth into an election is storing up massive amounts of trouble. When the slowdown comes, where does deficit spending go? 8% of GDP? 10%?

    And, of course, deficit spending like this makes it impossible to close the current account gap.

    Trump and the Republicans need to clean this mess up. Trump must be re-elected.
    Trump is Gordon Brown.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    phiw said:

    phiw said:

    BigRich said:

    phiw said:

    Buttigieg still not officially on his home state of Indiana's Primary Ballot.

    https://www.in.gov/sos/elections/files/2020 Candidate Filings - Feb 5 2020.pdf

    I actually just called the Election department and they told me he still hasn't filed, but he's expected to do so today (with a deadline of noon tomorrow).

    Seems to be cutting it close, can't imagine he couldn't manage 4500 signatures (500 x 9 districts). I guess we'll find out tomorrow!

    Typically the state clarkes go though the names and remove lots for slight spelling mistakes in addresses, or other things, I don't know about Indiana but in some states one spelling mistake on one name and that whole sheet of names is disregarded. therefor the campaigns typically try to put in 3 times the number of people required. I would expect that his team are using the time to get every last name they can to avoid missing the limit.
    Makes sense, though it now looks like this was plan all along to get some media out of it:

    https://www.wthr.com/article/hogsett-present-signatures-required-place-buttigieg-indianas-may-ballot

    Mystery solved.
    Safari won't let on to that site.
    Really? It's a local news site, seems fine on Chrome.

    Same story here:

    https://cbs4indy.com/2020/02/06/hogsett-to-officially-place-pete-buttigieg-on-hoosier-primary-ballot/
    To which Safari* reports:

    "Sorry, this content is not available in your region."

    (* Same with Firefox and Chrome)
    GDPR. Some US sites including many local news media block IPs from Europe so as to not have any liability under the GDPR.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,864
    rcs1000 said:

    NYT:

    "Bernie Sanders has a huge January haul.
    Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont raised $25 million in January, his campaign said on Thursday, a staggering sum that gives him an enviable financial advantage at a crucial moment in the Democratic primary race.

    He plans to use the windfall to immediately buy $5.5 million in television and digital ads across 10 states, at a time when some of his rivals are shifting or cutting their existing ad reservations."

    Tell me US Dems are not about to do a Corbyn.

    They might well do,

    But remember, it's probably in the best interest of America and the World that Trump is re-elected. Trump has been following the same fiscal policies as Anthony Barber and Edward Heath. The government spending ahead of income late in the economic cycle. Right now, the US government is on track to run a deficit of 5% of GDP this year.

    That's worse than during the Korean or Vietnam or Iraq or any other war post WW2. It's worse than in any recession, bar two years of the GFC.

    Normally deficits are counter-cyclical. The economy grows, so do tax receipts, and the deficit shrinks. Deliberately running a massive deficit now, so as to goose economic growth into an election is storing up massive amounts of trouble. When the slowdown comes, where does deficit spending go? 8% of GDP? 10%?

    And, of course, deficit spending like this makes it impossible to close the current account gap.

    Trump and the Republicans need to clean this mess up. Trump must be re-elected.
    I don't get this argument at all. Its like arguing that Brown should have been re-elected in 2010 so he had to make the cuts to reduce the unsustainable deficit.

    What the US urgently needs is competent, capable governance looking to rebalance their economy, something that they haven't really had since Clinton. Its a moot point whether any of the Democratic candidates can deliver that (Bloomberg being by far the obvious choice) but the answer for Trump is crystal: he can't. 4 more years of Trump will simply aggravate America's problems and make any subsequent adjustments more painful.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited February 2020
    BigRich said:

    As you say running a budget deficit of a trillion dolers 5% of GDP after 10 years of economic growth, is not sustainable, ether somebody terns this around or we will have to get used to thinking of the USA as a second rate nation soon.

    As they used to say about the USSR: "Upper Volta with nukes."
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729

    rcs1000 said:

    NYT:

    "Bernie Sanders has a huge January haul.
    Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont raised $25 million in January, his campaign said on Thursday, a staggering sum that gives him an enviable financial advantage at a crucial moment in the Democratic primary race.

    He plans to use the windfall to immediately buy $5.5 million in television and digital ads across 10 states, at a time when some of his rivals are shifting or cutting their existing ad reservations."

    Tell me US Dems are not about to do a Corbyn.

    They might well do,

    But remember, it's probably in the best interest of America and the World that Trump is re-elected. Trump has been following the same fiscal policies as Anthony Barber and Edward Heath. The government spending ahead of income late in the economic cycle. Right now, the US government is on track to run a deficit of 5% of GDP this year.

    That's worse than during the Korean or Vietnam or Iraq or any other war post WW2. It's worse than in any recession, bar two years of the GFC.

    Normally deficits are counter-cyclical. The economy grows, so do tax receipts, and the deficit shrinks. Deliberately running a massive deficit now, so as to goose economic growth into an election is storing up massive amounts of trouble. When the slowdown comes, where does deficit spending go? 8% of GDP? 10%?

    And, of course, deficit spending like this makes it impossible to close the current account gap.

    Trump and the Republicans need to clean this mess up. Trump must be re-elected.
    Trump is Gordon Brown.
    Nah. Trump won an election fair and square. Brown "saved the world" ;) but never won an election.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    BigRich said:

    rcs1000 said:

    NYT:

    "Bernie Sanders has a huge January haul.
    Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont raised $25 million in January, his campaign said on Thursday, a staggering sum that gives him an enviable financial advantage at a crucial moment in the Democratic primary race.

    He plans to use the windfall to immediately buy $5.5 million in television and digital ads across 10 states, at a time when some of his rivals are shifting or cutting their existing ad reservations."

    Tell me US Dems are not about to do a Corbyn.

    They might well do,

    But remember, it's probably in the best interest of America and the World that Trump is re-elected. Trump has been following the same fiscal policies as Anthony Barber and Edward Heath. The government spending ahead of income late in the economic cycle. Right now, the US government is on track to run a deficit of 5% of GDP this year.

    That's worse than during the Korean or Vietnam or Iraq or any other war post WW2. It's worse than in any recession, bar two years of the GFC.

    Normally deficits are counter-cyclical. The economy grows, so do tax receipts, and the deficit shrinks. Deliberately running a massive deficit now, so as to goose economic growth into an election is storing up massive amounts of trouble. When the slowdown comes, where does deficit spending go? 8% of GDP? 10%?

    And, of course, deficit spending like this makes it impossible to close the current account gap.

    Trump and the Republicans need to clean this mess up. Trump must be re-elected.
    Given that if trump does win, he will then not be elegable for another election, he is probably better positioned to do things that will make him temporarily unpopular, i.e. budget cuts. and tax rises. but will he? and if he does will he be able to get that though the congress?

    As you say running a budget deficit of a trillion dolers 5% of GDP after 10 years of economic growth, is not sustainable, ether somebody terns this around or we will have to get used to thinking of the USA as a second rate nation soon.
    What are the odds on Trump trying to get Amendment 22 repealed during a second term?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,533
    The controversial Thueringen PM elected with AfD support has resigned. As expected, his election triggered a huge wave of support for the Left party (who have otherwise been drifting in the polls), who should do well if there are fresh elections there.

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/elections/news/breaking-thuringias-newly-elected-minister-president-kemmerich-steps-down/?utm_source=EURACTIV&utm_campaign=17c0ef10fa-The_Brief_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c59e2fd7a9-17c0ef10fa-114478043

    I suspect that the AfD will eventually become regarded as possible local partners, and the Left has been despite their Communist past, but not yet.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231
    edited February 2020
    IshmaelZ said:

    Yes, but

    Very good. Good song too. Hadn't heard it.

    So, perhaps Paul Heaton has both a Remain (Housemartins) AND a Leave (Beautiful South) sensibility at one and the same time.

    Yet further proof, if so, that my theory - that it is not Remainers vs Leavers, it is Remain vs Leave inside each and every one of us - is on the money.

    Yes, the more I delve into it, the more this seems like the deeper and essential truth.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    rpjs said:

    phiw said:

    phiw said:

    BigRich said:

    phiw said:

    Buttigieg still not officially on his home state of Indiana's Primary Ballot.

    https://www.in.gov/sos/elections/files/2020 Candidate Filings - Feb 5 2020.pdf

    I actually just called the Election department and they told me he still hasn't filed, but he's expected to do so today (with a deadline of noon tomorrow).

    Seems to be cutting it close, can't imagine he couldn't manage 4500 signatures (500 x 9 districts). I guess we'll find out tomorrow!

    Typically the state clarkes go though the names and remove lots for slight spelling mistakes in addresses, or other things, I don't know about Indiana but in some states one spelling mistake on one name and that whole sheet of names is disregarded. therefor the campaigns typically try to put in 3 times the number of people required. I would expect that his team are using the time to get every last name they can to avoid missing the limit.
    Makes sense, though it now looks like this was plan all along to get some media out of it:

    https://www.wthr.com/article/hogsett-present-signatures-required-place-buttigieg-indianas-may-ballot

    Mystery solved.
    Safari won't let on to that site.
    Really? It's a local news site, seems fine on Chrome.

    Same story here:

    https://cbs4indy.com/2020/02/06/hogsett-to-officially-place-pete-buttigieg-on-hoosier-primary-ballot/
    To which Safari* reports:

    "Sorry, this content is not available in your region."

    (* Same with Firefox and Chrome)
    GDPR. Some US sites including many local news media block IPs from Europe so as to not have any liability under the GDPR.
    Ok fair enough, if surprising. Saw this a bit in the weeks after GDPR but how hard is it to ask the user to accept cookies?
  • By my count from the BBC's list there's been 228 confirmed cases of the coronavirus from outside China and so far 2 fatalities outside China. Which albeit a small sample is a morbidity rate of just under 1%

    Of course some of those who have been confirmed may not survive, but equally others may have caught it but not been diagnosed, it seems quite unlikely to me that the Chinese are massaging the figures to save face and the morbidity rate is worse than 2%
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,864
    edited February 2020

    By my count from the BBC's list there's been 228 confirmed cases of the coronavirus from outside China and so far 2 fatalities outside China. Which albeit a small sample is a morbidity rate of just under 1%

    Of course some of those who have been confirmed may not survive, but equally others may have caught it but not been diagnosed, it seems quite unlikely to me that the Chinese are massaging the figures to save face and the morbidity rate is worse than 2%

    It isn't. It will only be 1% when those 226 remaining have recovered. Which, in many cases, they haven't (yet).
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Yes, but

    Very good. Good song too. Hadn't heard it.

    So, perhaps Paul Heaton has both a Remain (Housemartins) AND a Leave (Beautiful South) sensibility at one and the same time.

    Yet further proof, if so, that my theory - that it is not Remainers vs Leavers, it is Remain vs Leave inside each and every one of us - is on the money.

    Yes, the more I delve into it, the more this seems like the deeper and essential truth.
    Have You Ever Been Away is a scream of rage *against* the Leave, nationalist, we won the war mentality


    https://songmeanings.com/m/songs/view/3458764513820545743/
  • So that's what the SNP government "International Relations" (ministerial trips etc) is for:

    https://twitter.com/SPIEGEL_Politik/status/1225459762529292288?s=20
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,836
    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Yes, but

    Very good. Good song too. Hadn't heard it.

    So, perhaps Paul Heaton has both a Remain (Housemartins) AND a Leave (Beautiful South) sensibility at one and the same time.

    Yet further proof, if so, that my theory - that it is not Remainers vs Leavers, it is Remain vs Leave inside each and every one of us - is on the money.

    Yes, the more I delve into it, the more this seems like the deeper and essential truth.
    Yes. You'd have to be a proper tribalist to disagree.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    edited February 2020

    By my count from the BBC's list there's been 228 confirmed cases of the coronavirus from outside China and so far 2 fatalities outside China. Which albeit a small sample is a morbidity rate of just under 1%

    Of course some of those who have been confirmed may not survive, but equally others may have caught it but not been diagnosed, it seems quite unlikely to me that the Chinese are massaging the figures to save face and the morbidity rate is worse than 2%

    At the risk of being alarmist, the Chinese doctor who tried to warn about coronavirus on 30 December, died today, over 5 weeks later.

    How many of the 228 will succumb in the coming weeks?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/06/coronavirus-live-updates-in-china-wuhan-coronaviruses-outbreak-death-toll-latest-update-news?page=with:block-5e3c28408f086a28115a6ce7#block-5e3c28408f086a28115a6ce7
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Warren still going at it in South Carolina so she won't be withdrawing after NH no matter what

    https://twitter.com/joshjame/status/1225442391034863617?s=19

    Wouldn't go down well in left-wing circles here.
    Middle class is much broader in the USA.
    Middle Class in the US doesn't really mean the same thing. It really encapsulates working people who have steady jobs often in semi-skilled / skilled roles, so in the UK it would include pretty much all what we call the working class e.g. all your factory / warehouse type workers.

    It is a way of referring to a demographic of people who aren't on benefits, but head off to work every day, even for very low wages e.g. we would call working poor, through to normal office type workers.
    So it means people in the middle, rather than the top 5%.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    isam said:

    FPT @TOPPING

    No you are wrong again as you strain to be right the first time. I meant representation for Muslims as in they would have a party elected that prioritised them, not some official body that controls them. A mechanism that gives THEM control. I don’t think they should be ‘controlled’, that’s a figment if your imagination

    ... and I didn’t say I wasn’t a racist!

    PB Poster defending themselves against the charge of not being a racist. That's a first.
    LOL yes.

    That'll show me.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,744
    edited February 2020

    BigRich said:

    rcs1000 said:

    NYT:

    "Bernie Sanders has a huge January haul.
    Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont raised $25 million in January, his campaign said on Thursday, a staggering sum that gives him an enviable financial advantage at a crucial moment in the Democratic primary race.

    He plans to use the windfall to immediately buy $5.5 million in television and digital ads across 10 states, at a time when some of his rivals are shifting or cutting their existing ad reservations."

    Tell me US Dems are not about to do a Corbyn.

    They might well do,

    But remember, it's probably in the best interest of America and the World that Trump is re-elected. Trump has been following the same fiscal policies as Anthony Barber and Edward Heath. The government spending ahead of income late in the economic cycle. Right now, the US government is on track to run a deficit of 5% of GDP this year.

    That's worse than during the Korean or Vietnam or Iraq or any other war post WW2. It's worse than in any recession, bar two years of the GFC.

    Normally deficits are counter-cyclical. The economy grows, so do tax receipts, and the deficit shrinks. Deliberately running a massive deficit now, so as to goose economic growth into an election is storing up massive amounts of trouble. When the slowdown comes, where does deficit spending go? 8% of GDP? 10%?

    And, of course, deficit spending like this makes it impossible to close the current account gap.

    Trump and the Republicans need to clean this mess up. Trump must be re-elected.
    Given that if trump does win, he will then not be elegable for another election, he is probably better positioned to do things that will make him temporarily unpopular, i.e. budget cuts. and tax rises. but will he? and if he does will he be able to get that though the congress?

    As you say running a budget deficit of a trillion dolers 5% of GDP after 10 years of economic growth, is not sustainable, ether somebody terns this around or we will have to get used to thinking of the USA as a second rate nation soon.
    What are the odds on Trump trying to get Amendment 22 repealed during a second term?
    It would be more in keeping for him to just try to ignore it or have Ivanka run on his behalf.

    Though it would be extremely funny if the 22nd amendment was repealed and then Obama won the 2024 election.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Warren still going at it in South Carolina so she won't be withdrawing after NH no matter what

    https://twitter.com/joshjame/status/1225442391034863617?s=19

    Wouldn't go down well in left-wing circles here.
    Middle class is much broader in the USA.
    Middle Class in the US doesn't really mean the same thing. It really encapsulates working people who have steady jobs often in semi-skilled / skilled roles, so in the UK it would include pretty much all what we call the working class e.g. all your factory / warehouse type workers.

    It is a way of referring to a demographic of people who aren't on benefits, but head off to work every day, even for very low wages e.g. we would call working poor, through to normal office type workers.
    So it means people in the middle, rather than the top 5%.
    Most people in the UK who put their kids through private education* self-identify as middle class.

    (* i.e. approximately the richest 7%)
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited February 2020

    By my count from the BBC's list there's been 228 confirmed cases of the coronavirus from outside China and so far 2 fatalities outside China. Which albeit a small sample is a morbidity rate of just under 1%

    Of course some of those who have been confirmed may not survive, but equally others may have caught it but not been diagnosed, it seems quite unlikely to me that the Chinese are massaging the figures to save face and the morbidity rate is worse than 2%

    At the risk of being alarmist, the Chinese doctor who tried to warn about coronavirus on 30 December, died today, over 5 weeks later.

    How many of the 228 will succumb in the coming weeks?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/06/coronavirus-live-updates-in-china-wuhan-coronaviruses-outbreak-death-toll-latest-update-news?page=with:block-5e3c28408f086a28115a6ce7#block-5e3c28408f086a28115a6ce7
    The low numbers of recovered suggests it takes time to either die or fight it off (which is even worse for hospitals as you have critical people in beds for weeks) Explains why Hubei is still seeing the majority of deaths. It's a slow burner.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,359
    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    Tories could not cast stones at anyone given their record and if it had been Tory it would have been a one day suspension at best, or perhaps a days education.
    Difference is SNP root out their bad ones quickly , no hiding them for a few weeks like Tories do.
    *cough* Salmond *cough*.
    David, aside from fact he may well be found innocent , he also left SNP immediately, that is most uncommon with the roasters that pop up in the Tories.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,864

    By my count from the BBC's list there's been 228 confirmed cases of the coronavirus from outside China and so far 2 fatalities outside China. Which albeit a small sample is a morbidity rate of just under 1%

    Of course some of those who have been confirmed may not survive, but equally others may have caught it but not been diagnosed, it seems quite unlikely to me that the Chinese are massaging the figures to save face and the morbidity rate is worse than 2%

    At the risk of being alarmist, the Chinese doctor who tried to warn about coronavirus on 30 December, died today, over 5 weeks later.

    How many of the 228 will succumb in the coming weeks?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/feb/06/coronavirus-live-updates-in-china-wuhan-coronaviruses-outbreak-death-toll-latest-update-news?page=with:block-5e3c28408f086a28115a6ce7#block-5e3c28408f086a28115a6ce7
    According to the BBC report he started coughing on 10th January and was diagnosed on 30th January so it has taken 27 days to kill him. There are some stories of some recovering from this after a week or so but clearly that is by no means universal.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038

    Can I suggest on the topic of Leave or Remain songs that Queen have both songs covered.

    Remain: Queen (One Vision)
    Leave: Queen (I Want To Break Free)

    Could have picked a few songs on both sides from their vast catalogue.

    Pet Shop Boys do both with one song - Indefinite Leave to Remain
    West End girls are Remainers, East End Boys are Leavers.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,695
    edited February 2020
    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    FPT @TOPPING

    No you are wrong again as you strain to be right the first time. I meant representation for Muslims as in they would have a party elected that prioritised them, not some official body that controls them. A mechanism that gives THEM control. I don’t think they should be ‘controlled’, that’s a figment if your imagination

    ... and I didn’t say I wasn’t a racist!

    PB Poster defending themselves against the charge of not being a racist. That's a first.
    LOL yes.

    That'll show me.
    How dare you accuse @isam of not being a racist!

    Posters have been banned for more.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,359

    So that's what the SNP government "International Relations" (ministerial trips etc) is for:

    https://twitter.com/SPIEGEL_Politik/status/1225459762529292288?s=20

    What a wag you are
  • By my count from the BBC's list there's been 228 confirmed cases of the coronavirus from outside China and so far 2 fatalities outside China. Which albeit a small sample is a morbidity rate of just under 1%

    Of course some of those who have been confirmed may not survive, but equally others may have caught it but not been diagnosed, it seems quite unlikely to me that the Chinese are massaging the figures to save face and the morbidity rate is worse than 2%

    John Hopkins has it at 265:

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    But since that includes "zero" cases in Indonesia its almost certainly too low (cf Singapore 28)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,359

    malcolmg said:

    Tories could not cast stones at anyone given their record and if it had been Tory it would have been a one day suspension at best, or perhaps a days education.
    Difference is SNP root out their bad ones quickly , no hiding them for a few weeks like Tories do.
    what utter bollocks.. no one would have know had it not been for the Scottish Sun.
    You thick arsehole, read the post. The SNP chuck bad ones out quickly. It was the boy's mother that discovered it and sold the story to the SUN. If they had known about it he would have been chucked out.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,769
    edited February 2020

    BigRich said:

    rcs1000 said:

    NYT:

    "Bernie Sanders has a huge January haul.
    Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont raised $25 million in January, his campaign said on Thursday, a staggering sum that gives him an enviable financial advantage at a crucial moment in the Democratic primary race.

    He plans to use the windfall to immediately buy $5.5 million in television and digital ads across 10 states, at a time when some of his rivals are shifting or cutting their existing ad reservations."

    Tell me US Dems are not about to do a Corbyn.

    They might well do,

    But remember, it's probably in the best interest of America and the World that Trump is re-elected. Trump has been following the same fiscal policies as Anthony Barber and Edward Heath. The government spending ahead of income late in the economic cycle. Right now, the US government is on track to run a deficit of 5% of GDP this year.

    That's worse than during the Korean or Vietnam or Iraq or any other war post WW2. It's worse than in any recession, bar two years of the GFC.

    Normally deficits are counter-cyclical. The economy grows, so do tax receipts, and the deficit shrinks. Deliberately running a massive deficit now, so as to goose economic growth into an election is storing up massive amounts of trouble. When the slowdown comes, where does deficit spending go? 8% of GDP? 10%?

    And, of course, deficit spending like this makes it impossible to close the current account gap.

    Trump and the Republicans need to clean this mess up. Trump must be re-elected.
    Given that if trump does win, he will then not be elegable for another election, he is probably better positioned to do things that will make him temporarily unpopular, i.e. budget cuts. and tax rises. but will he? and if he does will he be able to get that though the congress?

    As you say running a budget deficit of a trillion dolers 5% of GDP after 10 years of economic growth, is not sustainable, ether somebody terns this around or we will have to get used to thinking of the USA as a second rate nation soon.
    What are the odds on Trump trying to get Amendment 22 repealed during a second term?
    It would be more in keeping for him to just try to ignore it or have Ivanka run on his behalf.

    Though it would be extremely funny if the 22nd amendment was repealed and then Obama won the 2024 election.
    I should think the odds on an attempt on the 22nd are very high. That's if the entire constitution hasn't be rewritten to give him Biggly President For Life.

    Edit: And the way Dems are behaving it will be their fault.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Have we still not had the last 3% from Iowa yet?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231

    Ayn Rand or Trump the decision of our time. I think I might swing Trump.

    Would you? Not sure I would. My Trumperphobia is such that I would pay almost any price to see him gone. For example, imagine if the horrors of Brexit and "Boris" - both of which I hate - mean in some spooky way that Trump loses WH2020. If this were an actual trade that I could somehow make I would make it in a heartbeat.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,864
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    Tories could not cast stones at anyone given their record and if it had been Tory it would have been a one day suspension at best, or perhaps a days education.
    Difference is SNP root out their bad ones quickly , no hiding them for a few weeks like Tories do.
    *cough* Salmond *cough*.
    David, aside from fact he may well be found innocent , he also left SNP immediately, that is most uncommon with the roasters that pop up in the Tories.
    He may well be found innocent of criminal charges but did he not leave the SNP when he chose to judiically review the Scottish government about disciplinary procedures being brought against him?

    No party can claim the moral high ground on this.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    We need the Stalin meme.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Warren still going at it in South Carolina so she won't be withdrawing after NH no matter what

    https://twitter.com/joshjame/status/1225442391034863617?s=19

    Wouldn't go down well in left-wing circles here.
    Middle class is much broader in the USA.
    Middle Class in the US doesn't really mean the same thing. It really encapsulates working people who have steady jobs often in semi-skilled / skilled roles, so in the UK it would include pretty much all what we call the working class e.g. all your factory / warehouse type workers.

    It is a way of referring to a demographic of people who aren't on benefits, but head off to work every day, even for very low wages e.g. we would call working poor, through to normal office type workers.
    So it means people in the middle, rather than the top 5%.
    Most people in the UK who put their kids through private education* self-identify as middle class.

    (* i.e. approximately the richest 7%)
    I remember smiling when I read Lord Hailsham's autobiography 'A Sparrow's Flight' (very good, by the way), where he self-defined as middle-class on the basis that he worked for a living i.e. he didn't have an independent income. This despite the fact that his father was a viscount (as he would be), with a house in the country, a seven-bedroom townhouse in London (both with servants), and was sent to Eton.
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