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  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,468
    I often think that, in honouring the memory of the Jews who were murdered in the camps, that we should not forget the Romani who were similarly targeted by the Nazis.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,484

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    I have no brief to speak for Andrew Rosindell, but surely there's a significant difference between focusing on British produce because it's appropriate to the occasion, and BANNING FRENCH AND GERMAN WINE!!1!!

    Does Bavaria's Oktoberfest BAN FOREIGN BEER? Do most Burns Night celebrations BAN ALL NON-SCOTTISH LIQUOR?
    An heroic effort to pretend that stating 'nothing French or German but everything British and Commonwealth' is not banning.

    I see that as I suspected you've not really engaged with local custom if you think any type of drink would be proscribed at a Burns night, or indeed at any Scottish alcohol infused event.
    Actually I work in the Scotch whisky industry, and yes, I'd be upset if Burns wasn't toasted with Scotland's finest. You should be prouder of what your country produces.
    But not the slightest shred of evidence that a single Burns supper has ever stipulated nothing but Scotch bevvy. As I said, not much local engagement.
    It has been assumed that Scotch whisky is used, so no rulemaking of the sort has been needed. Though I do know a Scottish Piper who secretly asks for apple juice as the piper's dram! It's also assumed that at Oktoberfest they don't pour Carling or Tennents. But British wine is never assumed, which is a shame, as some of it is very good. Hence this stipulation. Allowing Australian stuff is a bit of a cop out though - not xenophobic enough of Rosindell imo.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    I suspect most of the Thornberry vote goes to Starmer if she is not on the ballot, Starmer being the least enthusiastic about Brexit of the 3 remaining in the race like Thornberry and with a more Southern and London based vote as she has too
  • I often think that, in honouring the memory of the Jews who were murdered in the camps, that we should not forget the Romani who were similarly targeted by the Nazis.

    They were quite a big part of today's ceremony from Auschwitz
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    viewcode said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    I have no brief to speak for Andrew Rosindell, but surely there's a significant difference between focusing on British produce because it's appropriate to the occasion, and BANNING FRENCH AND GERMAN WINE!!1!!

    Does Bavaria's Oktoberfest BAN FOREIGN BEER? Do most Burns Night celebrations BAN ALL NON-SCOTTISH LIQUOR?
    @malcolmg , @Luckyguy1983 raises an interesting point. Do Burns Night celebrations actually ban non-Scottish liquor?
    I went to one last week where there wasn't a drop of whisky. I think it was a valid Burns Night.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,468

    I often think that, in honouring the memory of the Jews who were murdered in the camps, that we should not forget the Romani who were similarly targeted by the Nazis.

    They were quite a big part of today's ceremony from Auschwitz
    Glad to hear it. Well.........
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    edited January 2020
    John Rentoul laughing at the crapness of Labour seems to be a new twist.

    https://twitter.com/johnrentoul/status/1221735386176786433?s=21
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited January 2020

    This is the kind of bullshit article put out by the media that brings proper sober analysis of the subject into disrepute. This to do with councils not wanting to spend money on sea defences and has sweet FA to do with climate change. There has been negligible eustatic sea level rise :

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/doomed-seaside-village-to-become-first-in-uk-to-be-made-extinct-by-sea/ar-BBZmWwf?ocid=spartanntp

    This is not a Welsh village. It has no Welsh language name, despite being in Gwynedd.

    Fairbourne was created by Sir Arthur McDougall (of McDougall's Flour) as a seaside estate in 1895. He built a hotel and a holiday village called Fairbourne at the beginning of the twentieth century.

    Only a completely barking fuckwit would build a village on a spit at most a few hundred metres wide. Only a completely barking fuckwit would buy a house in a village on a spit.

    The residents of Fairborne -- all English -- spend their time mewling to Gwynedd Council or the Welsh Government that Wales should spend billions of pounds building a sea wall along the narrow spit to save their depressing and mean bungalows.

    Suppose a Welshman moved to the middle of the M1 near Dunstable and build a home in the central reservation and then spent all his time asking for Bedfordshire Council to secure his property against traffic. I am sure the English would tell him where to go.

    Let the bungalows of the white settlers of Fairbourne disappear under the waves of Cardigan Bay.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491

    Yes, Remain united are excitedly posting and re-posting this - naturally without bothering to check or read it first - and @CarlottaVance has already shown why it's bollocks.

    London goes from strength to strength.
    I hadn’t seen it had been previously posted so my bad.

    However @CarlottaVance has not shown why its bollocks.

    You leavers are not known for your fact checking so I guess it’s on brand.
    It's a voodoo self-selecting poll.

    That's why it's bollocks.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491

    Yes, Remain united are excitedly posting and re-posting this - naturally without bothering to check or read it first - and @CarlottaVance has already shown why it's bollocks.

    London goes from strength to strength.
    So this was bollox? Well, if you say so.

    'However Ms Melis suggested that Boris Johnson’s thumping general election victory last month, which has paved the way for the UK’s exit from the EU on Friday, could give London a boost.'
    Read the thread she posted.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I would have thought that American films are more like New Zealand wine.
  • isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I am neutral on French wine but never watch American films
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    IanB2 said:

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I would have thought that American films are more like New Zealand wine.
    The point is there are so many, so varied in scope and topic, and from so many genres, that ruling them all out is the attitude of a madman.
  • isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I see myself as a supporter of Brexit, but also a rampant believer in free trade (i know the irony of leaving the SM), we should be consuming what we can from around the world that offer us the best value for what we want.

    Why would anyone want to deprive themselves of better cars, better wine, better food from around the world?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I am neutral on French wine but never watch American films

    What an absolutely bizarre policy.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I see myself as a supporter of Brexit, but also a rampant believer in free trade (i know the irony of leaving the SM), we should be consuming what we can from around the world that offer us the best value for what we want.

    Why would anyone want to deprive themselves of better cars, better wine, better food from around the world?
    Which particular EU policy regarding free trade did you disagree with? What products were we unable to import as part of the EU?
  • isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I am neutral on French wine but never watch American films

    What an absolutely bizarre policy.
    Why. And it is not a policy - I watch few if any films anyway, just the violence in so many turns me off
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I see myself as a supporter of Brexit, but also a rampant believer in free trade (i know the irony of leaving the SM), we should be consuming what we can from around the world that offer us the best value for what we want.

    Why would anyone want to deprive themselves of better cars, better wine, better food from around the world?
    Most people who senselessly rule these things out quite simply have never tried them.

    My mother in law, a guest at Christmas, told me that she wasn't keen on French whites, which was unfortunate given that 60% of the bottles in my pantry were from France. Thankfully, she was an immediate convert once she had actually sampled said Chablis and Sancerre.

    People just make this crap up.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231

    I am neutral on French wine but never watch American films

    I love American films. So much so that although I am boycotting American products until Trump is gone, I make an exception in this case.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I am neutral on French wine but never watch American films

    What an absolutely bizarre policy.
    Why. And it is not a policy - I watch few if any films anyway, just the violence in so many turns me off
    Well several thousands of American films contain zero violence.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited January 2020

    IanB2 said:

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I would have thought that American films are more like New Zealand wine.
    The point is there are so many, so varied in scope and topic, and from so many genres, that ruling them all out is the attitude of a madman.
    I took your point.

    My point is that American films often display a level of predictability and formulaicity characteristic of New Zealand wines.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231

    Try Ticklemore Cheese Shop in Totnes. Every cheese local to the SW. No need to go anywhere else!

    Local shops for local people?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I am neutral on French wine but never watch American films

    What an absolutely bizarre policy.
    Why. And it is not a policy - I watch few if any films anyway, just the violence in so many turns me off
    Well several thousands of American films contain zero violence.
    Cowboys and Aliens, which I saw yesterday, has lots of violence. Even before the aliens arrive.
  • IanB2 said:

    Cowboys and Aliens, which I saw yesterday, has lots of violence. Even before the aliens arrive.

    The Apartment, which I watched last night, doesn't.

    Of course that was from the golden age of film.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,769

    IanB2 said:

    Cowboys and Aliens, which I saw yesterday, has lots of violence. Even before the aliens arrive.

    The Apartment, which I watched last night, doesn't.

    Of course that was from the golden age of film.
    An all time classic.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited January 2020
  • What are the equivalent figures for England?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,769
    HYUFD said:

    I suspect most of the Thornberry vote goes to Starmer if she is not on the ballot, Starmer being the least enthusiastic about Brexit of the 3 remaining in the race like Thornberry and with a more Southern and London based vote as she has too

    There's a Thornberry vote?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Yes, Remain united are excitedly posting and re-posting this - naturally without bothering to check or read it first - and @CarlottaVance has already shown why it's bollocks.

    London goes from strength to strength.
    You leavers are not known for your fact checking so I guess it’s on brand.
    Base size: 248
    Selection: Self
    Weighting: None.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I am neutral on French wine but never watch American films

    What an absolutely bizarre policy.
    Why. And it is not a policy - I watch few if any films anyway, just the violence in so many turns me off
    There are some good American films, but I too tire of the ones where the only conceivable plot resolution is the goodie killing the baddie
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    kinabalu said:

    Try Ticklemore Cheese Shop in Totnes. Every cheese local to the SW. No need to go anywhere else!

    Local shops for local people?
    Twelvty
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    mwadams said:

    Cyclefree said:

    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    FPT - and because I am being mischievous:-

    Anyway just to liven things up....

    Suppose Trump tells Boris, either directly or via the spooks, that if he gives the nod to Huawei, the US will withdraw all intelligence co-operation with Britain ..... No more British Eyes in the Five Eyes etc.

    What does Boris do?

    What should Boris do?

    Its a tricky one. Trump is trying to force us to use US kit and IT which is more expensive and not in such an advanced stage of preparation. But the intelligence sharing is really important to us, not least in any negotiations with the EU re security.
    It’s not just the intelligence-sharing which matters. It’s whether it makes sense for the security of all of us in this country to put such a vital piece of national infrastructure in the hands of the Chinese Communist party. They are not our friends.
    I suspect that ship has sailed, though. The question for me is whether there is an increased risk? And to understand why we have been told that UK intelligence services don't believe that there is (within operational constraints).
    The intelligence services have said there is a risk but seem to think they may be able to mitigate it. Why we should take the risk rather than wait a couple of years for 5G from Korea or Nokia or other providers is left unanswered.

    I often think that, in honouring the memory of the Jews who were murdered in the camps, that we should not forget the Romani who were similarly targeted by the Nazis.

    They were quite a big part of today's ceremony from Auschwitz
    And let’s not forget gay people and the mentally and physically disabled, who were murdered long before the war started.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    What are the equivalent figures for England?
    Within the UK, the ranking of:
    • England did not change, remaining a little above mid-table (i.e second quartile);
    • Scotland fell into the third quartile of countries, due to a decline in its education and income performances, the latter associated with the decline in North Sea related activity. Despite this, Scotland’s very poor life expectancy performance remains its weakest area of performance;
    • Wales and Northern Ireland both fell into the bottom quartile of countries, principally due to poor GDP performances.
    - The relatively poor Scottish performance, in terms of education and health, suggests that changes may be needed to the, still young, devolved political system. Such changes should involve strengthening the challenge and scrutiny roles both within and out-with the Parliament.
    - Looking across the UK as a whole, the results highlight the fact that greater political devolution alone does not easily lead to an improving performance in key areas of well- being. In fact, unless proper supporting bodies are also cultivated, it can lead to a weakening in some important aspects of policy development.



    http://scottishtrends.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Index-of-Well-Being-Full-Report-2020-full.pdf
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I am neutral on French wine but never watch American films

    What an absolutely bizarre policy.
    Why. And it is not a policy - I watch few if any films anyway, just the violence in so many turns me off
    There are some good American films, but I too tire of the ones where the only conceivable plot resolution is the goodie killing the baddie
    The good end happily, the bad unhappily. That is what fiction means.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I am neutral on French wine but never watch American films

    What an absolutely bizarre policy.
    Why. And it is not a policy - I watch few if any films anyway, just the violence in so many turns me off
    There are some good American films, but I too tire of the ones where the only conceivable plot resolution is the goodie killing the baddie
    You mean like 1917, Dambusters, In Which We Serve, The Cruel Sea, Dunkirk, etc all those American films?
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    Speaking of foreign cinema I noticed today that 50 Shades of Grey was rated 18 by the BBFC but released in France as a 12. Which sums both countries up rather well.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    This - especially today - is worth watching: https://twitter.com/andywigmore/status/1221707522882572288?s=21

    A reminder that ordinary people can be real heroes, in the true meaning of that word.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I am neutral on French wine but never watch American films

    What an absolutely bizarre policy.
    Why. And it is not a policy - I watch few if any films anyway, just the violence in so many turns me off
    There are some good American films, but I too tire of the ones where the only conceivable plot resolution is the goodie killing the baddie
    The good end happily, the bad unhappily. That is what fiction means.
    To invoke the discussion the other day, Kes didn't end happily. Neither did War Requiem. A couple of others also.
  • What are the equivalent figures for England?
    Within the UK, the ranking of:
    • England did not change, remaining a little above mid-table (i.e second quartile);
    • Scotland fell into the third quartile of countries, due to a decline in its education and income performances, the latter associated with the decline in North Sea related activity. Despite this, Scotland’s very poor life expectancy performance remains its weakest area of performance;
    • Wales and Northern Ireland both fell into the bottom quartile of countries, principally due to poor GDP performances.
    - The relatively poor Scottish performance, in terms of education and health, suggests that changes may be needed to the, still young, devolved political system. Such changes should involve strengthening the challenge and scrutiny roles both within and out-with the Parliament.
    - Looking across the UK as a whole, the results highlight the fact that greater political devolution alone does not easily lead to an improving performance in key areas of well- being. In fact, unless proper supporting bodies are also cultivated, it can lead to a weakening in some important aspects of policy development.



    http://scottishtrends.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Index-of-Well-Being-Full-Report-2020-full.pdf
    Golly, the Union doesn't seem to be working very well for 3/4 of its members.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    Bournemouth to beat Arsenal tonight in the cup? I`ve gone 3-1 at 60/1
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I am neutral on French wine but never watch American films

    What an absolutely bizarre policy.
    Why. And it is not a policy - I watch few if any films anyway, just the violence in so many turns me off
    There are some good American films, but I too tire of the ones where the only conceivable plot resolution is the goodie killing the baddie
    You mean like 1917, Dambusters, In Which We Serve, The Cruel Sea, Dunkirk, etc all those American films?
    I am not saying that violence is intrinsically a poor plot device, but in too many films violence and special effects are used to camouflage poor scripts and characterisation. James Bond is as bad at this as the US mainstream.

    There are some very interesting war films, which include ample violence, but ask much more intelligent questions about the human condition. Apocalypse Now, Black Book, Downfall, The Battle of Algiers, Come and See, or In the Fog to name a few of my favourites.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Andrew Rosindell MP is a loathsome individual .

    And Leavers wonder why us Remainers utterly despise Brexit . When Rosindell wanks on about global Britain it seems as if that’s global minus Europe .

    This anti everything to do with Europe is sickening .
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    What are the equivalent figures for England?
    Within the UK, the ranking of:
    • England did not change, remaining a little above mid-table (i.e second quartile);
    • Scotland fell into the third quartile of countries, due to a decline in its education and income performances, the latter associated with the decline in North Sea related activity. Despite this, Scotland’s very poor life expectancy performance remains its weakest area of performance;
    • Wales and Northern Ireland both fell into the bottom quartile of countries, principally due to poor GDP performances.
    - The relatively poor Scottish performance, in terms of education and health, suggests that changes may be needed to the, still young, devolved political system. Such changes should involve strengthening the challenge and scrutiny roles both within and out-with the Parliament.
    - Looking across the UK as a whole, the results highlight the fact that greater political devolution alone does not easily lead to an improving performance in key areas of well- being. In fact, unless proper supporting bodies are also cultivated, it can lead to a weakening in some important aspects of policy development.



    http://scottishtrends.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Index-of-Well-Being-Full-Report-2020-full.pdf
    Golly, the Union doesn't seem to be working very well for 3/4 of its members.
    Devolution, certainly.
  • FF43 said:

    viewcode said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    I have no brief to speak for Andrew Rosindell, but surely there's a significant difference between focusing on British produce because it's appropriate to the occasion, and BANNING FRENCH AND GERMAN WINE!!1!!

    Does Bavaria's Oktoberfest BAN FOREIGN BEER? Do most Burns Night celebrations BAN ALL NON-SCOTTISH LIQUOR?
    @malcolmg , @Luckyguy1983 raises an interesting point. Do Burns Night celebrations actually ban non-Scottish liquor?
    I went to one last week where there wasn't a drop of whisky. I think it was a valid Burns Night.
    Friends of mine invited me to a combined Burns night and Chinese New Year party.
    It was a Chinese Burns party.
    I didn't really want to go, but they twisted my arm ...
  • IanB2 said:

    Cowboys and Aliens, which I saw yesterday, has lots of violence. Even before the aliens arrive.

    The Apartment, which I watched last night, doesn't.

    Of course that was from the golden age of film.
    An all time classic.
    Some people may argue, though, that every single Billy Wilder movie is much, much more Viennese than it is American.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    Cyclefree said:

    This - especially today - is worth watching: https://twitter.com/andywigmore/status/1221707522882572288?s=21

    A reminder that ordinary people can be real heroes, in the true meaning of that word.

    I know a few descendants of the Kindertransport, indeed until she died a few years ago one transportee attended my church. Lovely people.

    There is a dark side to the kindertransports though. It wasn't that the Germans refused their parents exit, it was us that refused their entry, either to the UK or Palestine
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    What are the equivalent figures for England?
    Within the UK, the ranking of:
    • England did not change, remaining a little above mid-table (i.e second quartile);
    • Scotland fell into the third quartile of countries, due to a decline in its education and income performances, the latter associated with the decline in North Sea related activity. Despite this, Scotland’s very poor life expectancy performance remains its weakest area of performance;
    • Wales and Northern Ireland both fell into the bottom quartile of countries, principally due to poor GDP performances.
    - The relatively poor Scottish performance, in terms of education and health, suggests that changes may be needed to the, still young, devolved political system. Such changes should involve strengthening the challenge and scrutiny roles both within and out-with the Parliament.
    - Looking across the UK as a whole, the results highlight the fact that greater political devolution alone does not easily lead to an improving performance in key areas of well- being. In fact, unless proper supporting bodies are also cultivated, it can lead to a weakening in some important aspects of policy development.



    http://scottishtrends.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Index-of-Well-Being-Full-Report-2020-full.pdf
    Golly, the Union doesn't seem to be working very well for 3/4 of its members.
    Devolution, certainly.
    Take Scotland, for example.

    The fall is attributed to
    - Education - devolved
    - Health - devolved
    - Economy - not devolved, I’m sure the Neverendum has nothing to do with it!
  • Cyclefree said:

    This - especially today - is worth watching: https://twitter.com/andywigmore/status/1221707522882572288?s=21

    A reminder that ordinary people can be real heroes, in the true meaning of that word.

    That is just so emotional and enriching
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208

    FF43 said:

    viewcode said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    I have no brief to speak for Andrew Rosindell, but surely there's a significant difference between focusing on British produce because it's appropriate to the occasion, and BANNING FRENCH AND GERMAN WINE!!1!!

    Does Bavaria's Oktoberfest BAN FOREIGN BEER? Do most Burns Night celebrations BAN ALL NON-SCOTTISH LIQUOR?
    @malcolmg , @Luckyguy1983 raises an interesting point. Do Burns Night celebrations actually ban non-Scottish liquor?
    I went to one last week where there wasn't a drop of whisky. I think it was a valid Burns Night.
    Friends of mine invited me to a combined Burns night and Chinese New Year party.
    It was a Chinese Burns party.
    I didn't really want to go, but they twisted my arm ...
    Did you enjoy it?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    Varadkar says the EU likely to demand foreign boats in UK waters in return for few restrictions on the City.

    With fishing ports from Grimsby to Brixham to Fleetwood and Lowestoft and Newlyn now represented by Tory MPs as well as the importance of fishing to Scottish Tory seats like Moray hard to see Boris not favouring fishing even if it means some extra restrictions on the City, especially as the vast majority of London seats now have Labour or LD MPs and the Tories made virtually no net gains in the South East at the last general election.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fish-for-finance-compromise-eu-talks-brexit-a4345471.html
  • What are the equivalent figures for England?
    Within the UK, the ranking of:
    • England did not change, remaining a little above mid-table (i.e second quartile);
    • Scotland fell into the third quartile of countries, due to a decline in its education and income performances, the latter associated with the decline in North Sea related activity. Despite this, Scotland’s very poor life expectancy performance remains its weakest area of performance;
    • Wales and Northern Ireland both fell into the bottom quartile of countries, principally due to poor GDP performances.
    - The relatively poor Scottish performance, in terms of education and health, suggests that changes may be needed to the, still young, devolved political system. Such changes should involve strengthening the challenge and scrutiny roles both within and out-with the Parliament.
    - Looking across the UK as a whole, the results highlight the fact that greater political devolution alone does not easily lead to an improving performance in key areas of well- being. In fact, unless proper supporting bodies are also cultivated, it can lead to a weakening in some important aspects of policy development.



    http://scottishtrends.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Index-of-Well-Being-Full-Report-2020-full.pdf
    Golly, the Union doesn't seem to be working very well for 3/4 of its members.
    Devolution, certainly.
    Yet the most fully devolved nation of Scotland, Wales and NI is doing the best out of them.
    I'd bet the the figures for regions within England would make some stark reading.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148

    What are the equivalent figures for England?
    Within the UK, the ranking of:
    • England did not change, remaining a little above mid-table (i.e second quartile);
    • Scotland fell into the third quartile of countries, due to a decline in its education and income performances, the latter associated with the decline in North Sea related activity. Despite this, Scotland’s very poor life expectancy performance remains its weakest area of performance;
    • Wales and Northern Ireland both fell into the bottom quartile of countries, principally due to poor GDP performances.
    - The relatively poor Scottish performance, in terms of education and health, suggests that changes may be needed to the, still young, devolved political system. Such changes should involve strengthening the challenge and scrutiny roles both within and out-with the Parliament.
    - Looking across the UK as a whole, the results highlight the fact that greater political devolution alone does not easily lead to an improving performance in key areas of well- being. In fact, unless proper supporting bodies are also cultivated, it can lead to a weakening in some important aspects of policy development.



    http://scottishtrends.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Index-of-Well-Being-Full-Report-2020-full.pdf
    Golly, the Union doesn't seem to be working very well for 3/4 of its members.
    England the only one where the Tories run most domestic policy
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    Cyclefree said:

    This - especially today - is worth watching: https://twitter.com/andywigmore/status/1221707522882572288?s=21

    A reminder that ordinary people can be real heroes, in the true meaning of that word.

    That is just so emotional and enriching
    It is.

    Sad that Alf Dubs who arrived in England on the Kindertransport had his bill on child refugees voted down just a few days ago.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited January 2020
    So 89% of financial experts still think either London or New York is the global financial centre, nowhere else comes close
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231
    edited January 2020
    Oh dear. One dreads to imagine. Let's hope they put that directly up against the juggernaut that is Melvyn Bragg's "In Our Time" and it duly gets crushed.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says the EU likely to demand foreign boats in UK waters in return for few restrictions on the City.

    With fishing ports from Grimsby to Brixham to Fleetwood and Lowestoft and Newlyn now represented by Tory MPs as well as the importance of fishing to Scottish Tory seats like Moray hard to see Boris not favouring fishing even if it means some extra restrictions on the City, especially as the vast majority of London seats now have Labour or LD MPs and the Tories made virtually no net gains in the South East at the last general election.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fish-for-finance-compromise-eu-talks-brexit-a4345471.html

    Always about the tories nothing else matters as long as our MPs and councillors win, sad
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says the EU likely to demand foreign boats in UK waters in return for few restrictions on the City.

    With fishing ports from Grimsby to Brixham to Fleetwood and Lowestoft and Newlyn now represented by Tory MPs as well as the importance of fishing to Scottish Tory seats like Moray hard to see Boris not favouring fishing even if it means some extra restrictions on the City, especially as the vast majority of London seats now have Labour or LD MPs and the Tories made virtually no net gains in the South East at the last general election.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fish-for-finance-compromise-eu-talks-brexit-a4345471.html

    I think there's a haggle to be had in fishing where access ends up slightly less than now. This then gets highlighted as a UK "win", along with rhetoric around UK being an independent coastal state with control of its waters.

    It's in the the interest of neither side to allow fishing to block a deal.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    There are hundreds of American films that

    a) lack violence and
    b) are good

    Generalising about them is unwise given than US cinema pumps out hundreds of pictures every year.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231
    Matt Hancock is taking a "belt and braces" approach to stopping snake flu. Sounds sensible enough.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says the EU likely to demand foreign boats in UK waters in return for few restrictions on the City.

    With fishing ports from Grimsby to Brixham to Fleetwood and Lowestoft and Newlyn now represented by Tory MPs as well as the importance of fishing to Scottish Tory seats like Moray hard to see Boris not favouring fishing even if it means some extra restrictions on the City, especially as the vast majority of London seats now have Labour or LD MPs and the Tories made virtually no net gains in the South East at the last general election.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fish-for-finance-compromise-eu-talks-brexit-a4345471.html

    Always about the tories nothing else matters as long as our MPs and councillors win, sad
    You’re posting on a betting site with a focus on politics and you need the smelling salts when you learn that political parties aim to win. Are you a Liberal Democrat?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424

    This is the kind of bullshit article put out by the media that brings proper sober analysis of the subject into disrepute. This to do with councils not wanting to spend money on sea defences and has sweet FA to do with climate change. There has been negligible eustatic sea level rise :

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/doomed-seaside-village-to-become-first-in-uk-to-be-made-extinct-by-sea/ar-BBZmWwf?ocid=spartanntp

    This is not a Welsh village. It has no Welsh language name, despite being in Gwynedd.

    Fairbourne was created by Sir Arthur McDougall (of McDougall's Flour) as a seaside estate in 1895. He built a hotel and a holiday village called Fairbourne at the beginning of the twentieth century.

    Only a completely barking fuckwit would build a village on a spit at most a few hundred metres wide. Only a completely barking fuckwit would buy a house in a village on a spit.

    The residents of Fairborne -- all English -- spend their time mewling to Gwynedd Council or the Welsh Government that Wales should spend billions of pounds building a sea wall along the narrow spit to save their depressing and mean bungalows.

    Suppose a Welshman moved to the middle of the M1 near Dunstable and build a home in the central reservation and then spent all his time asking for Bedfordshire Council to secure his property against traffic. I am sure the English would tell him where to go.

    Let the bungalows of the white settlers of Fairbourne disappear under the waves of Cardigan Bay.
    I know Fairbourne well. I assure you there are Welsh people there, although yes, the majority are English. If you include Friog as part of Fairbourne the proportion rises further.

    The real reason the article is stupid is because it’s plum wrong. Dunwich and Ravenspur spring to mind as settlements lost to the sea without me even bothering to search my mind. I think there are about 40 others in Humberside and Holdernesse alone.

    With Fairbourne, I suspect it will continue to be threatened until the instant Network Rail say that if the railway line floods, Gwynedd will have to fund the repairs - and then there will be a sudden change of heart.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,424
    Cyclefree said:
    I have a great idea.

    We give them Andrew.

    They give us Sacoolas.

    Win win.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    FF43 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says the EU likely to demand foreign boats in UK waters in return for few restrictions on the City.

    With fishing ports from Grimsby to Brixham to Fleetwood and Lowestoft and Newlyn now represented by Tory MPs as well as the importance of fishing to Scottish Tory seats like Moray hard to see Boris not favouring fishing even if it means some extra restrictions on the City, especially as the vast majority of London seats now have Labour or LD MPs and the Tories made virtually no net gains in the South East at the last general election.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fish-for-finance-compromise-eu-talks-brexit-a4345471.html

    I think there's a haggle to be had in fishing where access ends up slightly less than now. This then gets highlighted as a UK "win", along with rhetoric around UK being an independent coastal state with control of its waters.

    It's in the the interest of neither side to allow fishing to block a deal.
    It will all be about percentage but Boris will demand a clear cut in EU boats in UK waters even if it means some restrictions on financial services access to the EU
  • nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says the EU likely to demand foreign boats in UK waters in return for few restrictions on the City.

    With fishing ports from Grimsby to Brixham to Fleetwood and Lowestoft and Newlyn now represented by Tory MPs as well as the importance of fishing to Scottish Tory seats like Moray hard to see Boris not favouring fishing even if it means some extra restrictions on the City, especially as the vast majority of London seats now have Labour or LD MPs and the Tories made virtually no net gains in the South East at the last general election.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fish-for-finance-compromise-eu-talks-brexit-a4345471.html

    Always about the tories nothing else matters as long as our MPs and councillors win, sad
    You are describing the flaw in a pluralist representative democracy not in the Tory party
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    What are the equivalent figures for England?
    Within the UK, the ranking of:
    • England did not change, remaining a little above mid-table (i.e second quartile);
    • Scotland fell into the third quartile of countries, due to a decline in its education and income performances, the latter associated with the decline in North Sea related activity. Despite this, Scotland’s very poor life expectancy performance remains its weakest area of performance;
    • Wales and Northern Ireland both fell into the bottom quartile of countries, principally due to poor GDP performances.
    - The relatively poor Scottish performance, in terms of education and health, suggests that changes may be needed to the, still young, devolved political system. Such changes should involve strengthening the challenge and scrutiny roles both within and out-with the Parliament.
    - Looking across the UK as a whole, the results highlight the fact that greater political devolution alone does not easily lead to an improving performance in key areas of well- being. In fact, unless proper supporting bodies are also cultivated, it can lead to a weakening in some important aspects of policy development.



    http://scottishtrends.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Index-of-Well-Being-Full-Report-2020-full.pdf
    Golly, the Union doesn't seem to be working very well for 3/4 of its members.
    Devolution, certainly.
    Yet the most fully devolved nation of Scotland, Wales and NI is doing the best out of them.
    Rank (change vs 2006)
    England: 12 ( - )
    UK: 15 (-1)
    Scotland: 21 (-5)
    NI: 25 (-3)
    Wales: 27 (-5)

    Scotland's areas of decline within its control are both fully devolved - Education and Health. I'm not sure Westminster can be blamed for the price of oil....
  • Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    This - especially today - is worth watching: https://twitter.com/andywigmore/status/1221707522882572288?s=21

    A reminder that ordinary people can be real heroes, in the true meaning of that word.

    That is just so emotional and enriching
    It is.

    Sad that Alf Dubs who arrived in England on the Kindertransport had his bill on child refugees voted down just a few days ago.
    Mr Dubs was playing the game and he knows it. I suspect you do also.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited January 2020
    New ABC news poll has only Biden and Bloomberg doing better than Hillary v Trump https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1221818794022182912?s=20
  • ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:
    I have a great idea.

    We give them Andrew.

    They give us Sacoolas.

    Win win.
    +1
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    This - especially today - is worth watching: https://twitter.com/andywigmore/status/1221707522882572288?s=21

    A reminder that ordinary people can be real heroes, in the true meaning of that word.

    That is just so emotional and enriching
    It is.

    Sad that Alf Dubs who arrived in England on the Kindertransport had his bill on child refugees voted down just a few days ago.
    Mr Dubs was playing the game and he knows it. I suspect you do also.
    Yep. Child refugees are just pawns in a game, it seems.
  • Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    This - especially today - is worth watching: https://twitter.com/andywigmore/status/1221707522882572288?s=21

    A reminder that ordinary people can be real heroes, in the true meaning of that word.

    That is just so emotional and enriching
    It is.

    Sad that Alf Dubs who arrived in England on the Kindertransport had his bill on child refugees voted down just a few days ago.
    To be honest it was correct to keep it out of the brexit deal

    The government have made many statements the child refugee issue will be addressed
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says the EU likely to demand foreign boats in UK waters in return for few restrictions on the City.

    With fishing ports from Grimsby to Brixham to Fleetwood and Lowestoft and Newlyn now represented by Tory MPs as well as the importance of fishing to Scottish Tory seats like Moray hard to see Boris not favouring fishing even if it means some extra restrictions on the City, especially as the vast majority of London seats now have Labour or LD MPs and the Tories made virtually no net gains in the South East at the last general election.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fish-for-finance-compromise-eu-talks-brexit-a4345471.html

    Always about the tories nothing else matters as long as our MPs and councillors win, sad
    True . Fishing makes up a tiny proportion of UK GDP . And most of what the UK catches goes to the EU . So that’s the biggest market . And the EU will just slap tariffs on that unless there’s some deal .


    .

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,484
    edited January 2020

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    Not really. French wines are beloved by connoisseurs because their wines are often very complex, and have a minerality about them, old vines and old soils, and old methds often. New world wines are usually far more fruit forward, cleaner and fresher to taste, but somewhat less complex. It's entirely in order to express a preference for the latter. Not liking French wines is, I would say, more like not liking French films.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    matt said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says the EU likely to demand foreign boats in UK waters in return for few restrictions on the City.

    With fishing ports from Grimsby to Brixham to Fleetwood and Lowestoft and Newlyn now represented by Tory MPs as well as the importance of fishing to Scottish Tory seats like Moray hard to see Boris not favouring fishing even if it means some extra restrictions on the City, especially as the vast majority of London seats now have Labour or LD MPs and the Tories made virtually no net gains in the South East at the last general election.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fish-for-finance-compromise-eu-talks-brexit-a4345471.html

    Always about the tories nothing else matters as long as our MPs and councillors win, sad
    You’re posting on a betting site with a focus on politics and you need the smelling salts when you learn that political parties aim to win. Are you a Liberal Democrat?
    I always thought politics was about doing what you thought was right for your community and accepting you did not have all the answers. I’m afraid some on here see their party as a football team in that as long as they win it doesn’t matter how or even if they have the right answers for the moment. So you can stick your smelling salts up your arse it might improve things.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231
    TOPPING said:

    To invoke the discussion the other day, Kes didn't end happily. Neither did War Requiem. A couple of others also.

    Butch Cassidy. I know it finished freeze frame but the strong implication was that Newman and Redford were about to go down in a hail of bullets. What a bummer when you'd just spent 2 hours falling in love with them.
  • What are the equivalent figures for England?
    Within the UK, the ranking of:
    • England did not change, remaining a little above mid-table (i.e second quartile);
    • Scotland fell into the third quartile of countries, due to a decline in its education and income performances, the latter associated with the decline in North Sea related activity. Despite this, Scotland’s very poor life expectancy performance remains its weakest area of performance;
    • Wales and Northern Ireland both fell into the bottom quartile of countries, principally due to poor GDP performances.
    - The relatively poor Scottish performance, in terms of education and health, suggests that changes may be needed to the, still young, devolved political system. Such changes should involve strengthening the challenge and scrutiny roles both within and out-with the Parliament.
    - Looking across the UK as a whole, the results highlight the fact that greater political devolution alone does not easily lead to an improving performance in key areas of well- being. In fact, unless proper supporting bodies are also cultivated, it can lead to a weakening in some important aspects of policy development.



    http://scottishtrends.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Index-of-Well-Being-Full-Report-2020-full.pdf
    Golly, the Union doesn't seem to be working very well for 3/4 of its members.
    Devolution, certainly.
    Yet the most fully devolved nation of Scotland, Wales and NI is doing the best out of them.
    Rank (change vs 2006)
    England: 12 ( - )
    UK: 15 (-1)
    Scotland: 21 (-5)
    NI: 25 (-3)
    Wales: 27 (-5)

    Scotland's areas of decline within its control are both fully devolved - Education and Health. I'm not sure Westminster can be blamed for the price of oil....
    Thanks for confirming my point.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,484

    What are the equivalent figures for England?
    Within the UK, the ranking of:
    • England did not change, remaining a little above mid-table (i.e second quartile);
    • Scotland fell into the third quartile of countries, due to a decline in its education and income performances, the latter associated with the decline in North Sea related activity. Despite this, Scotland’s very poor life expectancy performance remains its weakest area of performance;
    • Wales and Northern Ireland both fell into the bottom quartile of countries, principally due to poor GDP performances.
    - The relatively poor Scottish performance, in terms of education and health, suggests that changes may be needed to the, still young, devolved political system. Such changes should involve strengthening the challenge and scrutiny roles both within and out-with the Parliament.
    - Looking across the UK as a whole, the results highlight the fact that greater political devolution alone does not easily lead to an improving performance in key areas of well- being. In fact, unless proper supporting bodies are also cultivated, it can lead to a weakening in some important aspects of policy development.



    http://scottishtrends.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Index-of-Well-Being-Full-Report-2020-full.pdf
    Golly, the Union doesn't seem to be working very well for 3/4 of its members.
    Is wellbeing a reserved matter?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    To invoke the discussion the other day, Kes didn't end happily. Neither did War Requiem. A couple of others also.

    Butch Cassidy. I know it finished freeze frame but the strong implication was that Newman and Redford were about to go down in a hail of bullets. What a bummer when you'd just spent 2 hours falling in love with them.
    Was there a huge mattress at the bottom of the canyon in Thelma and Louise?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    This - especially today - is worth watching: https://twitter.com/andywigmore/status/1221707522882572288?s=21

    A reminder that ordinary people can be real heroes, in the true meaning of that word.

    That is just so emotional and enriching
    It is.

    Sad that Alf Dubs who arrived in England on the Kindertransport had his bill on child refugees voted down just a few days ago.
    Johnson acted shabbily on child refugees.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited January 2020
    nico67 said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says the EU likely to demand foreign boats in UK waters in return for few restrictions on the City.

    With fishing ports from Grimsby to Brixham to Fleetwood and Lowestoft and Newlyn now represented by Tory MPs as well as the importance of fishing to Scottish Tory seats like Moray hard to see Boris not favouring fishing even if it means some extra restrictions on the City, especially as the vast majority of London seats now have Labour or LD MPs and the Tories made virtually no net gains in the South East at the last general election.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fish-for-finance-compromise-eu-talks-brexit-a4345471.html

    Always about the tories nothing else matters as long as our MPs and councillors win, sad
    True . Fishing makes up a tiny proportion of UK GDP . And most of what the UK catches goes to the EU . So that’s the biggest market . And the EU will just slap tariffs on that unless there’s some deal .


    .

    There will be a deal, as Varadkar has stated it is a matter of balancing fishing and financial services access and of course most of the UK fishing catch actually goes to the UK domestic market
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720
    TOPPING said:

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    To invoke the discussion the other day, Kes didn't end happily. Neither did War Requiem. A couple of others also.

    Butch Cassidy. I know it finished freeze frame but the strong implication was that Newman and Redford were about to go down in a hail of bullets. What a bummer when you'd just spent 2 hours falling in love with them.
    Was there a huge mattress at the bottom of the canyon in Thelma and Louise?
    The ending of Easy Rider is pretty grim.

    The alternative ending of Get Out, had the main character arrested and banged up for murdering white folk and their servants. I think it would have been a better film.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a complete twat. I really do wonder what has happened to the once great Conservative Party. It has been taken over by morons that should be more at home in the BNP. They are too lacking in self awareness to realise how insanely thick they look.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    Not really. French wines are beloved by connoisseurs because their wines are often very complex, and have a minerality about them, old vines and old soils, and old methds often. New world wines are usually far more fruit forward, cleaner and fresher to taste, but somewhat less complex. It's entirely in order to express a preference for the latter. Not liking French wines is, I would say, more like not liking French films.
    Utter rubbish. There is vast variety in the French portfolio, even for those that favour fruity plonk.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,382

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    :
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    Not really. French wines are beloved by connoisseurs because their wines are often very complex, and have a minerality about them, old vines and old soils, and old methds often. New world wines are usually far more fruit forward, cleaner and fresher to taste, but somewhat less complex. It's entirely in order to express a preference for the latter. Not liking French wines is, I would say, more like not liking French films.
    One thing is that some of the French wine makers have disappeared up their own fundements - ridiculous prices, complex flavours that are massively over done etc. Keep an open mind & drink what you actually like. Some of the best Chardonnay comes from... Bulgaria. But you have to go there to drink it - for the moment

    If you can, visit where the wine is made. You can *see* the idiots from miles away - over restored buildings, complete with tasting rooms with 20 foot glass walls etc.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    nichomar said:

    matt said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says the EU likely to demand foreign boats in UK waters in return for few restrictions on the City.

    With fishing ports from Grimsby to Brixham to Fleetwood and Lowestoft and Newlyn now represented by Tory MPs as well as the importance of fishing to Scottish Tory seats like Moray hard to see Boris not favouring fishing even if it means some extra restrictions on the City, especially as the vast majority of London seats now have Labour or LD MPs and the Tories made virtually no net gains in the South East at the last general election.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fish-for-finance-compromise-eu-talks-brexit-a4345471.html

    Always about the tories nothing else matters as long as our MPs and councillors win, sad
    You’re posting on a betting site with a focus on politics and you need the smelling salts when you learn that political parties aim to win. Are you a Liberal Democrat?
    I always thought politics was about doing what you thought was right for your community and accepting you did not have all the answers. I’m afraid some on here see their party as a football team in that as long as they win it doesn’t matter how or even if they have the right answers for the moment. So you can stick your smelling salts up your arse it might improve things.
    I love a bit of fautrage in the evening. You better speak to the owner of the site, who consistently refers to “teams”.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says the EU likely to demand foreign boats in UK waters in return for few restrictions on the City.

    With fishing ports from Grimsby to Brixham to Fleetwood and Lowestoft and Newlyn now represented by Tory MPs as well as the importance of fishing to Scottish Tory seats like Moray hard to see Boris not favouring fishing even if it means some extra restrictions on the City, especially as the vast majority of London seats now have Labour or LD MPs and the Tories made virtually no net gains in the South East at the last general election.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fish-for-finance-compromise-eu-talks-brexit-a4345471.html

    Always about the tories nothing else matters as long as our MPs and councillors win, sad
    True . Fishing makes up a tiny proportion of UK GDP . And most of what the UK catches goes to the EU . So that’s the biggest market . And the EU will just slap tariffs on that unless there’s some deal .


    .

    There will be a deal, as Varadkar has stated it is a matter of balancing fishing and financial services access and of course most of the UK fishing catch actually goes to the UK domestic market
    Most of the fish Brits eat comes from outside the UK , mainly from Norway and Iceland . Most of what the UK catches is exported and goes to the EU .

    UK seafood is very popular in the EU ,most of that’s live exported hence the need for that to move quickly.

    UK fishermen keep bleating about the EU but why have many sold their quotas to big EU companies .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    nico67 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says the EU likely to demand foreign boats in UK waters in return for few restrictions on the City.

    With fishing ports from Grimsby to Brixham to Fleetwood and Lowestoft and Newlyn now represented by Tory MPs as well as the importance of fishing to Scottish Tory seats like Moray hard to see Boris not favouring fishing even if it means some extra restrictions on the City, especially as the vast majority of London seats now have Labour or LD MPs and the Tories made virtually no net gains in the South East at the last general election.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fish-for-finance-compromise-eu-talks-brexit-a4345471.html

    Always about the tories nothing else matters as long as our MPs and councillors win, sad
    True . Fishing makes up a tiny proportion of UK GDP . And most of what the UK catches goes to the EU . So that’s the biggest market . And the EU will just slap tariffs on that unless there’s some deal .


    .

    There will be a deal, as Varadkar has stated it is a matter of balancing fishing and financial services access and of course most of the UK fishing catch actually goes to the UK domestic market
    Most of the fish Brits eat comes from outside the UK , mainly from Norway and Iceland . Most of what the UK catches is exported and goes to the EU .

    UK seafood is very popular in the EU ,most of that’s live exported hence the need for that to move quickly.

    UK fishermen keep bleating about the EU but why have many sold their quotas to big EU companies .
    So if more fish is caught by British fishermen more will be bought by British consumers.

    British fish from British waters for British dining tables
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    .
    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says the EU likely to demand foreign boats in UK waters in return for few restrictions on the City.

    With fishing ports from Grimsby to Brixham to Fleetwood and Lowestoft and Newlyn now represented by Tory MPs as well as the importance of fishing to Scottish Tory seats like Moray hard to see Boris not favouring fishing even if it means some extra restrictions on the City, especially as the vast majority of London seats now have Labour or LD MPs and the Tories made virtually no net gains in the South East at the last general election.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fish-for-finance-compromise-eu-talks-brexit-a4345471.html

    Always about the tories nothing else matters as long as our MPs and councillors win, sad
    True . Fishing makes up a tiny proportion of UK GDP . And most of what the UK catches goes to the EU . So that’s the biggest market . And the EU will just slap tariffs on that unless there’s some deal .


    .

    There will be a deal, as Varadkar has stated it is a matter of balancing fishing and financial services access and of course most of the UK fishing catch actually goes to the UK domestic market
    About 70% of the catch goes to the EU on the figures I saw. Bear in mind UK fish exports also include coastal fishing of shellfish and processed and farmed fish, collectively worth more than deep sea caught fish and the EU can and will effectively shut down the UK industry if there's no agreement.

    I actually think Varadakar is off message here. There will be no trade of financial services for fish. Financial Services are reserved in the EU slides as "unilateral EU alignment" and they don't need to give it up.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    It's the EU we have a problem with, we LURVE Europe (except for their stinking Kraut and Frog wine naturally).

    https://twitter.com/Germans4indyref/status/1221790508533583873?s=20

    With Eastern Europeans cleaning up after!
    What a cook.
    Childish attitude by some of the ERG extremes. Personally I drink Australian, Kiwi, or Chile wines but that is not some anti EU plot, I just prefer them
    Many of which are perfectly fine, some excellent. To cut oneself off from French wine or food is self harm, and is culturally cretinous equivalent to refusing to listen to continental composers . Actually, very similar to Brexit.
    Not if you do not like French food or wine.
    If you don't like French wine you either haven't sampled the right ones or you don't like wine at all. The same applies to French food. I accept that it is subjective to a small extent.
    I do like some French food but as I said my wine drinking, which is very modest, prefers Aus and Kiwi wines probably as I was introduced to them by my eldest son while he lived in Christchurch

    But to be fair, it is subjective to most people but of course you have devotees on both the extremes of the argument who continue to act like children
    Saying I don't like French wine is akin to saying I don't like American films.
    I am neutral on French wine but never watch American films

    What an absolutely bizarre policy.
    Why. And it is not a policy - I watch few if any films anyway, just the violence in so many turns me off
    There are some good American films, but I too tire of the ones where the only conceivable plot resolution is the goodie killing the baddie
    You mean like 1917, Dambusters, In Which We Serve, The Cruel Sea, Dunkirk, etc all those American films?
    Those made during and close after the war can be excused.

    To take your light hearted point seriously, I wonder whether an American would make Dunkirk in the same way. It's hardly a victory, however it was spun.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    FF43 said:

    .

    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says the EU likely to demand foreign boats in UK waters in return for few restrictions on the City.

    With fishing ports from Grimsby to Brixham to Fleetwood and Lowestoft and Newlyn now represented by Tory MPs as well as the importance of fishing to Scottish Tory seats like Moray hard to see Boris not favouring fishing even if it means some extra restrictions on the City, especially as the vast majority of London seats now have Labour or LD MPs and the Tories made virtually no net gains in the South East at the last general election.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fish-for-finance-compromise-eu-talks-brexit-a4345471.html

    Always about the tories nothing else matters as long as our MPs and councillors win, sad
    True . Fishing makes up a tiny proportion of UK GDP . And most of what the UK catches goes to the EU . So that’s the biggest market . And the EU will just slap tariffs on that unless there’s some deal .


    .

    There will be a deal, as Varadkar has stated it is a matter of balancing fishing and financial services access and of course most of the UK fishing catch actually goes to the UK domestic market
    About 70% of the catch goes to the EU on the figures I saw. Bear in mind UK fish exports also include coastal fishing of shellfish and processed and farmed fish, collectively worth more than deep sea caught fish and the EU can and will effectively shut down the UK industry if there's no agreement.

    I actually think Varadakar is off message here. There will be no trade of financial services for fish. Financial Services are reserved in the EU slides as "unilateral EU alignment" and they don't need to give it up.
    It is mainly shellfish exported to the EU, haddock etc is eaten here.

    I doubt the UK will ban all EU fishing in UK waters but as Varadkar states if the UK wants to increase the share of UK fishing fleets in UK waters that will mean a reduction of UK financial services presence in EU financial markets especially as Boris has made clear there will be no more full alignment with EU regulations
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Cyclefree said:

    This - especially today - is worth watching: https://twitter.com/andywigmore/status/1221707522882572288?s=21

    A reminder that ordinary people can be real heroes, in the true meaning of that word.

    That is just so emotional and enriching
    It was very moving . He was an active member of Maidenhead Labour Party and well known to Theresa May.
  • HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Varadkar says the EU likely to demand foreign boats in UK waters in return for few restrictions on the City.

    With fishing ports from Grimsby to Brixham to Fleetwood and Lowestoft and Newlyn now represented by Tory MPs as well as the importance of fishing to Scottish Tory seats like Moray hard to see Boris not favouring fishing even if it means some extra restrictions on the City, especially as the vast majority of London seats now have Labour or LD MPs and the Tories made virtually no net gains in the South East at the last general election.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/leo-varadkar-fish-for-finance-compromise-eu-talks-brexit-a4345471.html

    Always about the tories nothing else matters as long as our MPs and councillors win, sad
    True . Fishing makes up a tiny proportion of UK GDP . And most of what the UK catches goes to the EU . So that’s the biggest market . And the EU will just slap tariffs on that unless there’s some deal .


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    There will be a deal, as Varadkar has stated it is a matter of balancing fishing and financial services access and of course most of the UK fishing catch actually goes to the UK domestic market
    Most of the fish Brits eat comes from outside the UK , mainly from Norway and Iceland . Most of what the UK catches is exported and goes to the EU .

    UK seafood is very popular in the EU ,most of that’s live exported hence the need for that to move quickly.

    UK fishermen keep bleating about the EU but why have many sold their quotas to big EU companies .
    So if more fish is caught by British fishermen more will be bought by British consumers.

    British fish from British waters for British dining tables
    Will the fish be asked to show their passports before making the ultimate sacrifice?
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