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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231
    @HYUFD

    OK no apology then. Didn't really expect it. People hardly ever apologise if asked to. Any case all is well now since going forward I can filter you out on this one.

    But not on other matters, I hasten to add. You are value added on plenty of other matters. I must ignore you just on this one. Bloomberg.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    A boost for Boris if Stormont is back up and running?
    Do you think he has friends in the DUP or Sein Fein? Or perhaps the Alliance?

    Having a functioning Stormont will add a new wrinkle to Brexit.
  • Stormont up and running is a loss for Boris, as nurses will get pay parity now.

    In terms of results, Tories still win the next election.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,864
    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    kinabalu said:

    @HYUFD

    OK no apology then. Didn't really expect it. People hardly ever apologise if asked to. Any case all is well now since going forward I can filter you out on this one.

    But not on other matters, I hasten to add. You are value added on plenty of other matters. I must ignore you just on this one. Bloomberg.

    Is HYUFD on the naughty step?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Think it just shows that DUP were quite happy with no Stormont when they could get what they wanted by being the casting vote at Westminster. Now they are irrelevant at Westminster they want their power back.
  • DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited January 2020
    kinabalu said:

    @HYUFD

    OK no apology then. Didn't really expect it. People hardly ever apologise if asked to. Any case all is well now since going forward I can filter you out on this one.

    But not on other matters, I hasten to add. You are value added on plenty of other matters. I must ignore you just on this one. Bloomberg.

    Thanks, if Sanders wins the nomination and Bloomberg backs him I will apologise but for now I remain of the view he will not and would run as an Independent instead (though he would happily campaign for Biden or Buttigieg).

    He would justify it on the basis Trump would beat Sanders and for the good of the nation he has to run to give a credible alternative to Trump
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCV0FdNwrL4&t=183s

    maajid Nawaz on this weeks events in Middle East
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    alex_ said:

    Think it just shows that DUP were quite happy with no Stormont when they could get what they wanted by being the casting vote at Westminster. Now they are irrelevant at Westminster they want their power back.

    I think both they and SF were more influenced by the need to avoid elections.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,898
    DavidL said:


    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.

    Well, anything's possible if you throw enough money at it. Mary Lou McDonald seemed to be able to point to plenty of concessions won by SF including on the promotion of the Irish language.

    The DUP also perhaps realise their influence of old has now gone and the new political reality post 12/12 means they have to play ball to get scraps from the table.
  • felix said:

    alex_ said:

    Think it just shows that DUP were quite happy with no Stormont when they could get what they wanted by being the casting vote at Westminster. Now they are irrelevant at Westminster they want their power back.

    I think both they and SF were more influenced by the need to avoid elections.
    Alliance would have been the only winner.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    edited January 2020
    alex_ said:

    Think it just shows that DUP were quite happy with no Stormont when they could get what they wanted by being the casting vote at Westminster. Now they are irrelevant at Westminster they want their power back.

    Both the DUP and SF lost votes at the GE 1 in 6 for DUP and 1 in 4 for SF, add in the NHS there, that seems to be in meltdown, they both had no choice but to reconvene the Assembly. The voters would have chosen other parties if they had not.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    You just do not know that yet.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386
    stodge said:

    DavidL said:


    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.

    Well, anything's possible if you throw enough money at it. Mary Lou McDonald seemed to be able to point to plenty of concessions won by SF including on the promotion of the Irish language.

    The DUP also perhaps realise their influence of old has now gone and the new political reality post 12/12 means they have to play ball to get scraps from the table.
    That isn't really the point. It is happening on his watch, whether he has any direct input or not.
  • alex_ said:

    Think it just shows that DUP were quite happy with no Stormont when they could get what they wanted by being the casting vote at Westminster. Now they are irrelevant at Westminster they want their power back.

    Both the DUP and SF lost votes at the GE 1 in 6 for DUP and 1 in 4 for SF, add in the NHS there seems to be in meltdown, they both had no choice but to reconvene the Assembly. The voters would have chosen other parties if they had not.
    Without doubt.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    alex_ said:

    Think it just shows that DUP were quite happy with no Stormont when they could get what they wanted by being the casting vote at Westminster. Now they are irrelevant at Westminster they want their power back.

    And neither the DUP or SF particularly want an election. It takes two to tango.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,775

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
  • TheGreenMachineTheGreenMachine Posts: 1,090
    edited January 2020
    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
    Quite a jump. I wonder what that would do to employment figures.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Because I am a moron I have just put 5 of your English pounds on Clive Lewis.
  • RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
    Quite a jump. I wonder what that would do to employment figures.
    Not many would remain on welfare, that's for sure sir.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,231
    Stocky said:

    Is HYUFD on the naughty step?

    Well he was but he's off it now. I don't hold grudges. Life's too short.

    Quick point from my party meeting the other day. I was struck by the sense that for many of the activists there it is far more important to feel part of something they truly believe in than it is to win a majority of MPs in Westminster.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
    Quite a jump. I wonder what that would do to employment figures.
    Not many would remain on welfare, that's for sure sir.
    Except those not in work...
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    @HYUFD

    OK no apology then. Didn't really expect it. People hardly ever apologise if asked to. Any case all is well now since going forward I can filter you out on this one.

    But not on other matters, I hasten to add. You are value added on plenty of other matters. I must ignore you just on this one. Bloomberg.

    Thanks, if Sanders wins the nomination and Bloomberg backs him I will apologise but for now I remain of the view he will not and would run as an Independent instead (though he would happily campaign for Biden or Buttigieg).

    He would justify it on the basis Trump would beat Sanders and for the good of the nation he has to run to give a credible alternative to Trump
    Quite possibly delusional!
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597

    Stocky said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Phillips, whose campaign slogan is “speak truth, win power”, said she stands ready to work with the Conservatives and other parties to solve a problem that has dogged successive governments.

    She said a “citizens’ assembly”, similar to the Irish model that proposed new abortion laws, could allow ordinary people to work out how a better system could be funded.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/10/jess-phillips-people-would-pay-more-tax-for-decent-social-care

    This stupid idea of a citizens' assembly again. We elect MPs to represent us, listen to experts and form policy. This is again a very complex issue. We should instead be learning from the experience of having for example Prof Webb doing pensions i.e. an genuine expert in the role in which they are extremely well versed.

    Yes, but Citizens Assemlies allow MPs to avoid responsibility. With the EU-crutch being taken away ("it wasn't my idea, it was forced on me by Brussels"), MPs need a new way to pass the buck.
    I think this is overly cynical.

    Citizens` Assemblies is a mechanism which could in principle be used in an attempt to supplement or bypass democracy. For example, Extinction Rebellion advocates strongly for CAs because it recognises that democracy (whether direct or representative) will never tackle the planet`s environmental woes - which are human-caused and turkeys don`t vote for Christmas blah blah.

    ER`s CAs would not be made up of random electorate (that could be counter-productive to their aims), rather they would be made up of scientists, naturalists and environmental campaigners.

    Their view - and mine - is that business as usual is not even slightly able to produce the change that is needed. Something drastic has to be done to ameliorate the shocking loss of biodiversity and wild habitat, and ER is at least coming up with something which would have a real effect if global cooperation were achieved alongside.

    I know ER is hated by many (I disagree with some of their antics) but they are not looking for popularity.
    So basically you're arguing for a dictatorship led by the likes of ER and the associated suspension of democracy?

    Forgive me if I don't sign up for that.
    They really are just Trotskyites in green clothing aren't they?
  • Omnium said:


    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there

    Lol, aye, so they should.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386
    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
    Quite a jump. I wonder what that would do to employment figures.
    I was working with a guy yesterday who was in a full-time supervisory role and earning £21,500 a year. Most people on PB were earning more than that 30 years ago. For people on here to see earning that sort of money as economically prudent may have a shock when the peasants start revolting.
  • TheGreenMachineTheGreenMachine Posts: 1,090
    edited January 2020
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
    Quite a jump. I wonder what that would do to employment figures.
    Not many would remain on welfare, that's for sure sir.
    Except those not in work...
    Your mad, lol.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/09/australia/mallacoota-beer-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

    Gotta love the Aussies, go

    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
    Quite a jump. I wonder what that would do to employment figures.
    I was working with a guy yesterday who was in a full-time supervisory role and earning £21,500 a year. Most people on PB were earning more than that 30 years ago. For people on here to see earning that sort of money as economically prudent may have a shock when the peasants start revolting.
    Was he eligible for Tax Credits?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386
    Alistair said:

    Because I am a moron I have just put 5 of your English pounds on Clive Lewis.

    You could have just bought your bookie a pint. It would have been cheaper and more convivial. Still, a gift is a gift.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    edited January 2020
    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Is HYUFD on the naughty step?

    Well he was but he's off it now. I don't hold grudges. Life's too short.

    Quick point from my party meeting the other day. I was struck by the sense that for many of the activists there it is far more important to feel part of something they truly believe in than it is to win a majority of MPs in Westminster.
    Sounds Corbynesque?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/09/australia/mallacoota-beer-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

    Gotta love the Aussies, go

    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
    Quite a jump. I wonder what that would do to employment figures.
    I was working with a guy yesterday who was in a full-time supervisory role and earning £21,500 a year. Most people on PB were earning more than that 30 years ago. For people on here to see earning that sort of money as economically prudent may have a shock when the peasants start revolting.
    Was he eligible for Tax Credits?
    I have no idea. Either way I believe you have missed my point.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,038
    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Is HYUFD on the naughty step?

    Well he was but he's off it now. I don't hold grudges. Life's too short.

    Quick point from my party meeting the other day. I was struck by the sense that for many of the activists there it is far more important to feel part of something they truly believe in than it is to win a majority of MPs in Westminster.
    I skipped our CLP this evening. Better for my wellbeing to avoid 2 hours of fuckwittery.
  • Alistair said:

    Because I am a moron I have just put 5 of your English pounds on Clive Lewis.

    You could have just bought your bookie a pint. It would have been cheaper and more convivial. Still, a gift is a gift.
    Stone cold certainty.
  • DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    No politician is ever good for the poor & vulnerable. They all despise them regardless of party.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    No politician is ever good for the poor & vulnerable. They all despise them regardless of party.
    Frank Field? David Willetts?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/09/australia/mallacoota-beer-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

    Gotta love the Aussies, go

    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
    Quite a jump. I wonder what that would do to employment figures.
    I was working with a guy yesterday who was in a full-time supervisory role and earning £21,500 a year. Most people on PB were earning more than that 30 years ago. For people on here to see earning that sort of money as economically prudent may have a shock when the peasants start revolting.
    Was he eligible for Tax Credits?
    Worth a lot more outside London though...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
    Quite a jump. I wonder what that would do to employment figures.
    Not many would remain on welfare, that's for sure sir.
    Except those not in work...
    Your mad, lol.
    You are if you think more than doubling the minimum wage would have no negative impact.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
    Quite a jump. I wonder what that would do to employment figures.
    Not many would remain on welfare, that's for sure sir.
    Can you please enlighten us on whether you're thick or just trolling?
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597
    Probably quite a lot of credit owed to Julian Smith, much more effective than the hapless Karen Bradley who was viewed with contempt by all sides in NI.
  • Floater said:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCV0FdNwrL4&t=183s

    maajid Nawaz on this weeks events in Middle East

    Is a loss to parliament he isn't an MP.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386
    dodrade said:

    Probably quite a lot of credit owed to Julian Smith, much more effective than the hapless Karen Bradley who was viewed with contempt by all sides in NI.
    The buck stops with Boris. So for the moment this is a Boris win.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,625
    Floater said:

    ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCV0FdNwrL4&t=183s

    maajid Nawaz on this weeks events in Middle East

    That’s well worth 15 minutes of anyone’s time, listening to someone who actually understands all the factions in the ME and how they fit together. I hope that he has the ear of those in government who could benefit from his insight.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,121
    edited January 2020
    Sandpit said:

    Floater said:

    ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCV0FdNwrL4&t=183s

    maajid Nawaz on this weeks events in Middle East

    That’s well worth 15 minutes of anyone’s time, listening to someone who actually understands all the factions in the ME and how they fit together. I hope that he has the ear of those in government who could benefit from his insight.
    Him and Rory the ex-Tory know their onions on this stuff.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    No politician is ever good for the poor & vulnerable. They all despise them regardless of party.
    Could we have league table of vulnerability? It appears to include everyone bar the white middle to upper middle class.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    matt said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    No politician is ever good for the poor & vulnerable. They all despise them regardless of party.
    Could we have league table of vulnerability? It appears to include everyone bar the white middle to upper middle class.
    What's the point of saying white? Do you believe white people are the victim of social anti-white racism. In Boris's Britain where the PM fantasises in print about "piccaninnies". Jesus wept.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    EPG said:

    matt said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    No politician is ever good for the poor & vulnerable. They all despise them regardless of party.
    Could we have league table of vulnerability? It appears to include everyone bar the white middle to upper middle class.
    What's the point of saying white? Do you believe white people are the victim of social anti-white racism. In Boris's Britain where the PM fantasises in print about "piccaninnies". Jesus wept.
    I really feel like the piccaninnies line is not going to be enough to sustain attacks on Boris through the long years of his premiership. He provides newer reasons to criticise often enough.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    dodrade said:

    Probably quite a lot of credit owed to Julian Smith, much more effective than the hapless Karen Bradley who was viewed with contempt by all sides in NI.
    The buck stops with Boris. So for the moment this is a Boris win.
    Boris owns everything now apparently, applies to good as well as bad I assumed
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    viewcode said:



    When the aircraft industry started using carbon fibre they ran into an enormous problem: suddenly nothing fit. They'd got so used to bodging subassemblies together they couldn't cope with brittle materials that can't be subject to percussive adjustment. This tradition was famously one of the reasons why the AEW Nimrod went over budget: not one of the refurbished wings fitted in the fuselages, since all of the wing roots were of slightly different sizes.

    The wing issue wasn't on Nimrod AEW.3; it was on the Portillo designed catastrophe Nimrod 2000 which became Nimrod MRA.4 which became a 4bn quid pile of scrap.

    All of the original MR.2s (which were to be remanufactured into MRA.4s in a typical tory act of corporate welfare to BAE) were built on concrete jigs at Hatfield in the 60s. One of the jigs was a Friday afternoon job that was built on the piss meaning that none of the datum points on the fuselage were quite were they were supposed to be. This was only discovered when they sawed the original wings off XV243 and the new ones didn't fit.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    kle4 said:

    EPG said:

    matt said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    No politician is ever good for the poor & vulnerable. They all despise them regardless of party.
    Could we have league table of vulnerability? It appears to include everyone bar the white middle to upper middle class.
    What's the point of saying white? Do you believe white people are the victim of social anti-white racism. In Boris's Britain where the PM fantasises in print about "piccaninnies". Jesus wept.
    I really feel like the piccaninnies line is not going to be enough to sustain attacks on Boris through the long years of his premiership. He provides newer reasons to criticise often enough.
    Although, if you notice, not for quite some while now.....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Floater said:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCV0FdNwrL4&t=183s

    maajid Nawaz on this weeks events in Middle East

    Is a loss to parliament he isn't an MP.
    Would he accept a peerage?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    EPG said:

    matt said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    No politician is ever good for the poor & vulnerable. They all despise them regardless of party.
    Could we have league table of vulnerability? It appears to include everyone bar the white middle to upper middle class.
    What's the point of saying white? Do you believe white people are the victim of social anti-white racism. In Boris's Britain where the PM fantasises in print about "piccaninnies". Jesus wept.
    He didn't fantasize about it, he was satirising the mindset of other people. As about 30 seconds googling would enable you to learn for yourself.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,769
    Within weeks, no one in politics will give a f about the Morning Star.

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215709733178486795
  • Chameleon said:

    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
    Quite a jump. I wonder what that would do to employment figures.
    Not many would remain on welfare, that's for sure sir.
    Can you please enlighten us on whether you're thick or just trolling?
    People like you are why the country is goosed.
  • TheGreenMachineTheGreenMachine Posts: 1,090
    edited January 2020
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
    Quite a jump. I wonder what that would do to employment figures.
    Not many would remain on welfare, that's for sure sir.
    Except those not in work...
    Your mad, lol.
    You are if you think more than doubling the minimum wage would have no negative impact.
    You're delusional to put it nicely.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    IshmaelZ said:

    EPG said:

    matt said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    No politician is ever good for the poor & vulnerable. They all despise them regardless of party.
    Could we have league table of vulnerability? It appears to include everyone bar the white middle to upper middle class.
    What's the point of saying white? Do you believe white people are the victim of social anti-white racism. In Boris's Britain where the PM fantasises in print about "piccaninnies". Jesus wept.
    He didn't fantasize about it, he was satirising the mindset of other people. As about 30 seconds googling would enable you to learn for yourself.
    Satire explained by googling is really a summary of the sh1tposting that should be abandoned with the rest of 2010s culture.
  • @RobD

    I'm an advocate to increase minimum wage but it doesn't bother me either way, I just dislike seeing people struggle.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    It is absolutely hilarious going back to the newspapers of the nineties and reading the absolutely hysterical nonsense written about the absolutely apocalyptic devastation to the economy introducing a minimum wage would do.

    It was going to be the fucking end times.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
    Quite a jump. I wonder what that would do to employment figures.
    Not many would remain on welfare, that's for sure sir.
    Except those not in work...
    Your mad, lol.
    You are if you think more than doubling the minimum wage would have no negative impact.
    You're delusional to put it nicely.
    Has any country more than doubled the minimum wage overnight before? I think the onus is on you to say why it wouldn't have any negative impact on employment.
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
    Quite a jump. I wonder what that would do to employment figures.
    Not many would remain on welfare, that's for sure sir.
    Except those not in work...
    Your mad, lol.
    You are if you think more than doubling the minimum wage would have no negative impact.
    You're delusional to put it nicely.
    Has any country more than doubled the minimum wage overnight before? I think the onus is on you to say why it wouldn't have any negative impact on employment.
    All the main shop's now have self service checkouts.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386
    isam said:

    dodrade said:

    Probably quite a lot of credit owed to Julian Smith, much more effective than the hapless Karen Bradley who was viewed with contempt by all sides in NI.
    The buck stops with Boris. So for the moment this is a Boris win.
    Boris owns everything now apparently, applies to good as well as bad I assumed
    Politically speaking, yes he does. All Heads of State do.

    John Major achieved lasting peace in Northern Ireland, but the hapless ERM debacle defined his premiership.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153

    kle4 said:

    EPG said:

    matt said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    No politician is ever good for the poor & vulnerable. They all despise them regardless of party.
    Could we have league table of vulnerability? It appears to include everyone bar the white middle to upper middle class.
    What's the point of saying white? Do you believe white people are the victim of social anti-white racism. In Boris's Britain where the PM fantasises in print about "piccaninnies". Jesus wept.
    I really feel like the piccaninnies line is not going to be enough to sustain attacks on Boris through the long years of his premiership. He provides newer reasons to criticise often enough.
    Although, if you notice, not for quite some while now.....
    I meant things to criticise about him generally, not merely unfortunate remarks.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited January 2020
    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215753237258821632?s=20

    "Do what you want - and pay for it". Public not in favour of cakeism.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100

    @RobD

    I'm an advocate to increase minimum wage but it doesn't bother me either way, I just dislike seeing people struggle.

    You really don't see that a minimum wage of £20pw would exacerbate the issue that you think it cures, and are abusive when your view is challenged.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    Do you honestly believe that any PM is some sort of magic wand for those people?

    Boris will be at least as good as his predecessors in helping them.

    Essentially the vulnerable shouldn't be so - social services should pick up on them before they get there, and the poor are a mixed bag, but a good many of them should 'get on their bikes' as Norman Tebbitt once said.

    We need less people trying to arse about and self-classify themselves as needy, and that'll free the social services to deal with the real cases. I have no idea at all how you achieve that.
    Increasing the minimum wage to £20 per hour would fix a lot of stuff for them.
    Quite a jump. I wonder what that would do to employment figures.
    Not many would remain on welfare, that's for sure sir.
    Except those not in work...
    Your mad, lol.
    You are if you think more than doubling the minimum wage would have no negative impact.
    You're delusional to put it nicely.
    Has any country more than doubled the minimum wage overnight before? I think the onus is on you to say why it wouldn't have any negative impact on employment.
    All the main shop's now have self service checkouts.
    Quite
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386
    IshmaelZ said:

    EPG said:

    matt said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    No politician is ever good for the poor & vulnerable. They all despise them regardless of party.
    Could we have league table of vulnerability? It appears to include everyone bar the white middle to upper middle class.
    What's the point of saying white? Do you believe white people are the victim of social anti-white racism. In Boris's Britain where the PM fantasises in print about "piccaninnies". Jesus wept.
    He didn't fantasize about it, he was satirising the mindset of other people. As about 30 seconds googling would enable you to learn for yourself.
    Johnson's awful piece decrying Blair's apparent old colonialism might have been many things, satire was not one of them.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    isam said:

    dodrade said:

    Probably quite a lot of credit owed to Julian Smith, much more effective than the hapless Karen Bradley who was viewed with contempt by all sides in NI.
    The buck stops with Boris. So for the moment this is a Boris win.
    Boris owns everything now apparently, applies to good as well as bad I assumed
    Politically speaking, yes he does. All Heads of State do.
    Brenda still carries that can - currently on a favourable rating of +66....(pipped only by William, (+69) and miles ahead of Charles (+24) and Harry (+29).

  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215753237258821632?s=20

    "Do what you want - and pay for it". Public not in favour of cakeism.

    The Cambridges not doing too badly in that poll. William is even ahead of HM, which is quite impressive!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,468
    matt said:

    alex_ said:

    Think it just shows that DUP were quite happy with no Stormont when they could get what they wanted by being the casting vote at Westminster. Now they are irrelevant at Westminster they want their power back.

    And neither the DUP or SF particularly want an election. It takes two to tango.
    Both my wife and I said that as the announcement was made on the News. It’s amazing how termination of income concentrates minds.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,468
    Alistair said:

    It is absolutely hilarious going back to the newspapers of the nineties and reading the absolutely hysterical nonsense written about the absolutely apocalyptic devastation to the economy introducing a minimum wage would do.

    It was going to be the fucking end times.

    I’d give this a like if it wasn’t for the unnecessary (and incorrect) use of the f word!
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    OT

    I do wonder if Clive Lewis' positioning, while likely to flop among the current Labour membership, would actually be a smart move for the party for the electorate as a whole.

    RLB basically wants to do the Corbyn thing but better. Same coalition.

    Starmer would maybe bring back in the low hanging fruit by dealing with the AS issue, but is vulnerable in Brexit/ culture. Labour would continue to be a party of socialista, graduates, young people, city dwellers.

    Nandy meanwhile would aim to rebuild the party's support in Leavey areas and towns, but the more woke wing might baulk at losing their priorities and having to tolerate socially conservative voters.

    The Lewis position seems built to coopt Lib Dems by supporting PR and political reform. The LDs don't have a lot of seats but they do have broad shallow support almost everywhere, and a "progressive alliance" of pro European, pro PR liberal lefties would be a real prospect if Labour changed leadership. It seems a more likely alliance than between woke Corbynites and Blue Labour on paper at least.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100
    edited January 2020

    matt said:

    alex_ said:

    Think it just shows that DUP were quite happy with no Stormont when they could get what they wanted by being the casting vote at Westminster. Now they are irrelevant at Westminster they want their power back.

    And neither the DUP or SF particularly want an election. It takes two to tango.
    Both my wife and I said that as the announcement was made on the News. It’s amazing how termination of income concentrates minds.
    You old cynic you 😄
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    EPG said:

    matt said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    No politician is ever good for the poor & vulnerable. They all despise them regardless of party.
    Could we have league table of vulnerability? It appears to include everyone bar the white middle to upper middle class.
    What's the point of saying white? Do you believe white people are the victim of social anti-white racism. In Boris's Britain where the PM fantasises in print about "piccaninnies". Jesus wept.
    He didn't fantasize about it, he was satirising the mindset of other people. As about 30 seconds googling would enable you to learn for yourself.
    Johnson's awful piece decrying Blair's apparent old colonialism might have been many things, satire was not one of them.
    And that precludes any one particular word in the piece from being used satirically, does it?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited January 2020
    Alistair said:

    It is absolutely hilarious going back to the newspapers of the nineties and reading the absolutely hysterical nonsense written about the absolutely apocalyptic devastation to the economy introducing a minimum wage would do.

    It was going to be the fucking end times.

    Not really. The devil is (as always) in the detail, and in particular in respect of a minimum wage, at the actual figure. Blair, very sensibly, set the initial minimum wage at a very low level, so it did little damage. Even so it helped finish off what was left of the textile industry, and some marginal retail jobs.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    EPG said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    EPG said:

    matt said:

    DavidL said:

    He’s certainly delivering deals, no question.
    Correct but he's not good for the most vunerable and poor in our society, although no Tory is / was.
    No politician is ever good for the poor & vulnerable. They all despise them regardless of party.
    Could we have league table of vulnerability? It appears to include everyone bar the white middle to upper middle class.
    What's the point of saying white? Do you believe white people are the victim of social anti-white racism. In Boris's Britain where the PM fantasises in print about "piccaninnies". Jesus wept.
    He didn't fantasize about it, he was satirising the mindset of other people. As about 30 seconds googling would enable you to learn for yourself.
    Satire explained by googling is really a summary of the sh1tposting that should be abandoned with the rest of 2010s culture.
    That doesn't mean anything. Sorry.
  • https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215753237258821632?s=20

    "Do what you want - and pay for it". Public not in favour of cakeism.

    Prince Andrew....the Jezza of the royal family.
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    RobD said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215753237258821632?s=20

    "Do what you want - and pay for it". Public not in favour of cakeism.

    The Cambridges not doing too badly in that poll. William is even ahead of HM, which is quite impressive!
    Isn't " do what you want and pay for it" what the rest of us have to do? The public seem pretty fair to all parties there.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936

    Alistair said:

    It is absolutely hilarious going back to the newspapers of the nineties and reading the absolutely hysterical nonsense written about the absolutely apocalyptic devastation to the economy introducing a minimum wage would do.

    It was going to be the fucking end times.

    Not really. The devil is (as always) in the detail, and in particular in respect of a minimum wage, at the actual figure. Blair, very sensibly, set the initial minimum wage at a very low level, so it did little damage. Even so it helped finish off what was left of the textile industry, and some marginal retail jobs.
    I read that the average increase in wage for those on the lowest was about 10%. A huge difference from more than doubling it to £20!
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215753237258821632?s=20

    "Do what you want - and pay for it". Public not in favour of cakeism.

    Prince Andrew....the Jezza of the royal family.
    Jeremy Corbyn was not "friends with" a paedophile.
  • The Corbynista's are always banging on about how the public need to be better educated to the world of politics...reply to that royal poll...

    https://twitter.com/TheMarcofCraig/status/1215756946705387520?s=20
  • Gabs3 said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215753237258821632?s=20

    "Do what you want - and pay for it". Public not in favour of cakeism.

    Prince Andrew....the Jezza of the royal family.
    Jeremy Corbyn was not "friends with" a paedophile.
    Just terrorists.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    Gabs3 said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215753237258821632?s=20

    "Do what you want - and pay for it". Public not in favour of cakeism.

    Prince Andrew....the Jezza of the royal family.
    Jeremy Corbyn was not "friends with" a paedophile.
    No, but he is just as popular. ;)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215753237258821632?s=20

    "Do what you want - and pay for it". Public not in favour of cakeism.

    Poor old Camilla. What's she done wrong?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Gabs3 said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215753237258821632?s=20

    "Do what you want - and pay for it". Public not in favour of cakeism.

    Prince Andrew....the Jezza of the royal family.
    Jeremy Corbyn was not "friends with" a paedophile.
    Just terrorists.
    And a regime that hangs gays from cranes.....
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,107
    edited January 2020
    Gabs3 said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215753237258821632?s=20

    "Do what you want - and pay for it". Public not in favour of cakeism.

    Prince Andrew....the Jezza of the royal family.
    Jeremy Corbyn was not "friends with" a paedophile.
    I think you may well receive a comment from the 'moderator' over that sentence
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386

    isam said:

    dodrade said:

    Probably quite a lot of credit owed to Julian Smith, much more effective than the hapless Karen Bradley who was viewed with contempt by all sides in NI.
    The buck stops with Boris. So for the moment this is a Boris win.
    Boris owns everything now apparently, applies to good as well as bad I assumed
    Politically speaking, yes he does. All Heads of State do.
    Brenda still carries that can - currently on a favourable rating of +66....(pipped only by William, (+69) and miles ahead of Charles (+24) and Harry (+29).

    Yes fairy point,but you knew what I meant. Mrs Mountbatten however doesn't stand or fall by circumstances every four or five years at the ballot box.
  • TheGreenMachineTheGreenMachine Posts: 1,090
    edited January 2020
    Leader Standings


  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836

    Gabs3 said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215753237258821632?s=20

    "Do what you want - and pay for it". Public not in favour of cakeism.

    Prince Andrew....the Jezza of the royal family.
    Jeremy Corbyn was not "friends with" a paedophile.
    Gabs3 said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215753237258821632?s=20

    "Do what you want - and pay for it". Public not in favour of cakeism.

    Prince Andrew....the Jezza of the royal family.
    Jeremy Corbyn was not "friends with" a paedophile.
    I think you may well receive a comment from the 'moderator' over that comment
    You cannot slander the dead. The bit in inverted commas is Prince Andrew's own words.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited January 2020

    The Corbynista's are always banging on about how the public need to be better educated to the world of politics...reply to that royal poll...

    https://twitter.com/TheMarcofCraig/status/1215756946705387520?s=20


    "Probably just a few thousand" would be well more than enough if it was weighted correctly...

    JL Partners interviewed 1,000 adults online on Thursday and yesterday. The earlier poll on royals' ratings was carried out in October by YouGov.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7874669/Majority-Britons-say-Harry-Meghan-treated-Queen-shoddily.html

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5db0ca668552dd5ab1168a91/t/5e18fa313a904b6e1b21fc4e/1578695220563/Royals_Poll.pdf
  • The Corbynista's are always banging on about how the public need to be better educated to the world of politics...reply to that royal poll...

    https://twitter.com/TheMarcofCraig/status/1215756946705387520?s=20


    "Probably just a few thousand" would be well more than enough if it was weighted correctly...
    That was my point....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,936
    TOPPING said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215753237258821632?s=20

    "Do what you want - and pay for it". Public not in favour of cakeism.

    Poor old Camilla. What's she done wrong?
    I think she's slowly getting more popular. Same for Charles.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Alistair said:

    It is absolutely hilarious going back to the newspapers of the nineties and reading the absolutely hysterical nonsense written about the absolutely apocalyptic devastation to the economy introducing a minimum wage would do.

    It was going to be the fucking end times.

    It really does make remarkable reading. The right at its Chicken Licken worst. I remember reading someone in the Guardian writing that the NMW was a policy which would never be rescinded by any government once installed, and his being mocked by rightwingers. But he was correct.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    The Corbynista's are always banging on about how the public need to be better educated to the world of politics...reply to that royal poll...

    https://twitter.com/TheMarcofCraig/status/1215756946705387520?s=20


    "Probably just a few thousand" would be well more than enough if it was weighted correctly...
    That was my point....
    Let's set up a crowd funder.

    Basic Statistics for Corbynites. Free online course. The need is clearly there.
  • Freggles said:

    The Corbynista's are always banging on about how the public need to be better educated to the world of politics...reply to that royal poll...

    https://twitter.com/TheMarcofCraig/status/1215756946705387520?s=20


    "Probably just a few thousand" would be well more than enough if it was weighted correctly...
    That was my point....
    Let's set up a crowd funder.

    Basic Statistics for Corbynites. Free online course. The need is clearly there.
    They will claim it is being run by Tories and thus null and void, like they continuous claim (falsely) about YouGov.


  • Deputy Standings.
  • Alistair said:

    It is absolutely hilarious going back to the newspapers of the nineties and reading the absolutely hysterical nonsense written about the absolutely apocalyptic devastation to the economy introducing a minimum wage would do.

    It was going to be the fucking end times.

    It really does make remarkable reading. The right at its Chicken Licken worst. I remember reading someone in the Guardian writing that the NMW was a policy which would never be rescinded by any government once installed, and his being mocked by rightwingers. But he was correct.
    So, like the triple lock, bus passes for the elderly and other similar policies. Are you suggesting that the fact that a policy is hard to reverse once enacted makes it good?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,386


    Gabs3 said:

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215753237258821632?s=20

    "Do what you want - and pay for it". Public not in favour of cakeism.

    Prince Andrew....the Jezza of the royal family.
    Jeremy Corbyn was not "friends with" a paedophile.
    I think you may well receive a comment from the 'moderator' over that sentence
    Not sure there is any dispute that a certain Prince's circle of friends may have included someone convicted of unbecoming behaviour. Unless you were defending Corbyn?
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