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edited January 2020 in General

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So far I don’t think there has been a mention at all on PB of Tom Steyer even though he is still very much in the race for the Democratic nomination and is one of the select few who are still qualifying to take part in the TV debates.

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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Looks like Chris Tarrant's poorly older brother.....
  • 'I've never met her but'

    It's now an immutable rule that anyone using the term 'woke' is a tosser.

    https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1215323970565812224?s=20
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,210
    Nice to see a genuine good guy single digit billionaire with a positive hopeful message.
    I hope he does well and can shake up the race.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited January 2020
    He looks ok, his heart seems to be correctly located, and he's under 70.
    His wife looks to be formidable too.
    All these traits contrast with the present president.
    They do have in common lack of political experience, but, again by contrast, the Steyers look to be capable of learning.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    'I've never met her but'

    It's now an immutable rule that anyone using the term 'woke' is a tosser.

    https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1215323970565812224?s=20

    The only forgiveable use of "woke" is as the opening word of a blues song.....
  • 'I've never met her but'

    It's now an immutable rule that anyone using the term 'woke' is a tosser.

    https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1215323970565812224?s=20

    Eamonn Holmes has been a tosser for years, he supports Manchester United after all.
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453

    'I've never met her but'

    It's now an immutable rule that anyone using the term 'woke' is a tosser.

    https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1215323970565812224?s=20

    "weak, manipulative".

  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453
    edited January 2020
    I know most of pb will fight back against this but there is I feel a racial undertone to some of the abuse Meghan gets as well good old British classism.

    It's hard to see it if you've never gone through it.
  • nunu2 said:

    I know most of pb will fight back against this but there is I feel a racial undertone to some of the abuse Meghan gets as well good old British classism.

    It's hard to see it if you've never gone through it.

    Indeed.

    Anyone who obsesses about class has issues.

    Some people cannot accept working class people doing well whilst their own lives are failures.

    https://twitter.com/otto_english/status/1215390335515471872?s=21
  • Steyer was discussed yesterday iirc. Someone has backed him.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,210

    Steyer was discussed yesterday iirc. Someone has backed him.

    Me.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    nunu2 said:

    I know most of pb will fight back against this but there is I feel a racial undertone to some of the abuse Meghan gets as well good old British classism.

    It's hard to see it if you've never gone through it.

    I think it's more xenophobia - my mum openly admits that she doesn't like that Harry married an American. But then I doubt she cares much about Autumn Kelly (albeit that is a more minor royal marriage).
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    nunu2 said:

    there is I feel a racial undertone to some of the abuse Meghan gets as well good old British classism.

    I’m sure there is some, esp on social media. But there is also some justified criticism. They seem unwilling to distinguish between the two.

    FPT:-

    Morris_Dancer said:
    “How they try and square the funding circle will determine public perceptions going forward, it seems.”

    Exactly. I don’t think anyone sensible should have a problem with them living a private life, doing charitable stuff and/or earning a living (the Duke of Gloucester, for instance, worked as an architect), provided:-

    1. They don’t also expect the public funding and privileges of being a royal (eg being gifted luxurious houses done up at public expense).

    2. They don’t exploit their links with our Head of State In an unseemly manner to benefit themselves financially. Sussex biscuits are one thing. Selling access to Royals a la Fergie is not.

    3. They take sensible advice about who they associate with - unlike, say, Andrew.

    4. They understand that if they take public stances on matters of public interest, like anyone else doing so, they should expect comment and criticism. Just as Prince Charles has faced or anyone else in public life.

    They should also display a bit more consideration for and politeness to HMQ. Issuing a statement mentioning her without informing her is very impolite and is deservedly criticised. Politeness costs nothing.

    Their statement is a bit ambiguous on point 1. Half in / half out is not on.

    It is not clear how they will address point 2.

    They would be very well advised to take point 3 on board.

    On 4 they seem to want to be able to speak but then claim harassment if people point out the obvious hypocrisy of, say, lecturing about climate change while flying in private jets.

    And no - it is not just them. Charles rightly faced exactly the same criticism when years ago he visited Romania and had one of his Rolls Royces driven out there just so that he could loll around in it for a bit. So they need to be a bit more grown up about that. Meghan is American. She should understand the importance of a free press.

    Watching celebrities using the press for their own purposes and then moaning when their PR campaigns don’t go to plan is one of the more nauseating spectacles of our time.

    All these issues should now be addressed by them and the Palace quietly and quickly, a clear joint statement made and they get on with it. In the meanwhile leave them alone.

    Personally I also think titles should not be bestowed on minor royals but only on those in the direct line of succession. The example of Princess Anne and her children should have been followed. All grandchildren etc should be commoners. Only the heirs should get a title. Only those heirs and those who actually work as Royals eg Anne should get any sort of funding and only for their work, not their lifestyles.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    Meghan wasn't raised in a cage.
    The royals show just how malleable is the human brain, if you get them early, but not necessarily if the brain is tiny.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Homework Help

    Would anyone be kind enough to offer some thoughts on at what point (if any) they would consider cash in the bank on a balance sheet having greater subjective value than its equivalent as an asset (trade debtor)?

    For example, would a business that had 50k in cash and 75k in assets be worth more than a business that had 25k in cash and 100k in assets? What about 0 in cash and 125k in assets (cash-flow issues??)

    Assuming the assets are all debts owed to the business. I’m thinking risk of recovery and the time-value of recovery.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    There might be some sweet new buildings to officially open during the Brexit boom!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    Indeed. It is curious watching some republicans go into bat for Harry and Meghan.

    Ultimately the Monarchy is an institution and it's about who they are and what they represent. Yes, they're expected to attend events and smile for photos, but that isn't really what they are being paid for.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    Homework Help

    Would anyone be kind enough to offer some thoughts on at what point (if any) they would consider cash in the bank on a balance sheet having greater subjective value than its equivalent as an asset (trade debtor)?

    For example, would a business that had 50k in cash and 75k in assets be worth more than a business that had 25k in cash and 100k in assets? What about 0 in cash and 125k in assets (cash-flow issues??)

    Assuming the assets are all debts owed to the business. I’m thinking risk of recovery and the time-value of recovery.

    The default rate is your friend here then age of receivables then credit risk of the counterparty.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405

    Homework Help

    Would anyone be kind enough to offer some thoughts on at what point (if any) they would consider cash in the bank on a balance sheet having greater subjective value than its equivalent as an asset (trade debtor)?

    For example, would a business that had 50k in cash and 75k in assets be worth more than a business that had 25k in cash and 100k in assets? What about 0 in cash and 125k in assets (cash-flow issues??)

    Assuming the assets are all debts owed to the business. I’m thinking risk of recovery and the time-value of recovery.

    Assuming you can trust your credit management team, cash at bank and trade debtors are equal up to the point the invoice becomes due.

    Once a debt is overdue different issues occur.

    I note that even after I wrote the second half of my first sentence I instantly added a proviso so in reality cash is king, any debt slightly less.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,125
    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    Open car parks. Hold the hand of the sick. Turn up in flood and fire and rain. Be there. Be the unchanging anchor in a changing world. Just turn up.

    Not bog off to Los Angeles.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    A royal duty is visiting a school or town or factory or charidee event and having hundreds of people turn out who believe they have had a great and rewarding day. Ask Lt Cdr David Brannighan you uncouth jack you.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,491
    tlg86 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    Indeed. It is curious watching some republicans go into bat for Harry and Meghan.

    Ultimately the Monarchy is an institution and it's about who they are and what they represent. Yes, they're expected to attend events and smile for photos, but that isn't really what they are being paid for.
    They’re going into bat for Harry and Meghan because they know it upsets monarchists and will help undermine the institution as a whole.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Nice to see a genuine good guy single digit billionaire with a positive hopeful message.
    I hope he does well and can shake up the race.

    He'll be very well for your bank balance :smile:
  • nunu2 said:

    I know most of pb will fight back against this but there is I feel a racial undertone to some of the abuse Meghan gets as well good old British classism.

    It's hard to see it if you've never gone through it.

    She doesn't even contact her family anymore.
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608

    Homework Help

    Would anyone be kind enough to offer some thoughts on at what point (if any) they would consider cash in the bank on a balance sheet having greater subjective value than its equivalent as an asset (trade debtor)?

    For example, would a business that had 50k in cash and 75k in assets be worth more than a business that had 25k in cash and 100k in assets? What about 0 in cash and 125k in assets (cash-flow issues??)

    Assuming the assets are all debts owed to the business. I’m thinking risk of recovery and the time-value of recovery.

    In principle, the implied default rate (credit rating) on most of the debtor counterparties is likely to be higher than that of the bank; cash would ordinarily therefore be the more 'valuable' asset relative to face value. To be honest, though, it's very much at the margin - business valuation should be driven by the appropriate multiple of P&L/cash generation, plus surplus net assets. If there are liquidity issues one would expect this to lower the valuation multiple (and potentially require additional bad debt provisioning against trade debtors).

    It sounds as though you're trying to answer a slightly unusual question, though; can you provide more context?
  • Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    Although I like some of them, We actually don't need royals at all.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    eek said:

    Homework Help

    Would anyone be kind enough to offer some thoughts on at what point (if any) they would consider cash in the bank on a balance sheet having greater subjective value than its equivalent as an asset (trade debtor)?

    For example, would a business that had 50k in cash and 75k in assets be worth more than a business that had 25k in cash and 100k in assets? What about 0 in cash and 125k in assets (cash-flow issues??)

    Assuming the assets are all debts owed to the business. I’m thinking risk of recovery and the time-value of recovery.

    Assuming you can trust your credit management team, cash at bank and trade debtors are equal up to the point the invoice becomes due.

    Once a debt is overdue different issues occur.

    I note that even after I wrote the second half of my first sentence I instantly added a proviso so in reality cash is king, any debt slightly less.
    The question specifies "subjective value". I think the points that you raise are objective considerations.

    Subjectively, some people (the more cautious and prudently-minded) would value cash in the bank much more that a trade debt. Conversely, a person with a high risk mentality would be happier with debtors even though conversion to cash is not guaranteed.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Animal_pb said:

    Homework Help

    Would anyone be kind enough to offer some thoughts on at what point (if any) they would consider cash in the bank on a balance sheet having greater subjective value than its equivalent as an asset (trade debtor)?

    For example, would a business that had 50k in cash and 75k in assets be worth more than a business that had 25k in cash and 100k in assets? What about 0 in cash and 125k in assets (cash-flow issues??)

    Assuming the assets are all debts owed to the business. I’m thinking risk of recovery and the time-value of recovery.

    In principle, the implied default rate (credit rating) on most of the debtor counterparties is likely to be higher than that of the bank; cash would ordinarily therefore be the more 'valuable' asset relative to face value. To be honest, though, it's very much at the margin - business valuation should be driven by the appropriate multiple of P&L/cash generation, plus surplus net assets. If there are liquidity issues one would expect this to lower the valuation multiple (and potentially require additional bad debt provisioning against trade debtors).

    It sounds as though you're trying to answer a slightly unusual question, though; can you provide more context?
    Or is s/he (?) trying to make an equivalence whereby £100 due in 30 days is worth 100 x (e to the minus one twelfth times the credit risk of the counterparty)?

    Which would be a pretty agricultural way of assessing it.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    edited January 2020
    Saw this on the previous thread. We have our first poll in ~7 weeks without Biden leading. Ipsos have had much lower Biden numbers for a while though, and the shift from their previous poll is within the margin or error.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1215450497085321217
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    A royal duty is visiting a school or town or factory or charidee event and having hundreds of people turn out who believe they have had a great and rewarding day. Ask Lt Cdr David Brannighan you uncouth jack you.
    Joanna Lumley as President of the Republic could do all of that with more charm and considerably less expense and drama.
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,453

    nunu2 said:

    I know most of pb will fight back against this but there is I feel a racial undertone to some of the abuse Meghan gets as well good old British classism.

    It's hard to see it if you've never gone through it.

    She doesn't even contact her family anymore.
    Oh and you know her and her family?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Thank you @TOPPING, @eek, and @Animal_pb for your thoughts. They’re very interesting and there is plenty I hadn’t considered.

    I’m actually answering a legal question about “consideration” in contract law and the rule in Foakes v Beer re. part-payment of a debt in return for a promise not to enforce said debt. (Basic stuff, I know...)

    I’m framing my answer around commercial reality and just wanted to make sure the points I want to make regarding how “cash is king” are sound but I didn’t want to oversell the argument.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Stocky said:

    eek said:

    Homework Help

    Would anyone be kind enough to offer some thoughts on at what point (if any) they would consider cash in the bank on a balance sheet having greater subjective value than its equivalent as an asset (trade debtor)?

    For example, would a business that had 50k in cash and 75k in assets be worth more than a business that had 25k in cash and 100k in assets? What about 0 in cash and 125k in assets (cash-flow issues??)

    Assuming the assets are all debts owed to the business. I’m thinking risk of recovery and the time-value of recovery.

    Assuming you can trust your credit management team, cash at bank and trade debtors are equal up to the point the invoice becomes due.

    Once a debt is overdue different issues occur.

    I note that even after I wrote the second half of my first sentence I instantly added a proviso so in reality cash is king, any debt slightly less.
    The question specifies "subjective value". I think the points that you raise are objective considerations.

    Subjectively, some people (the more cautious and prudently-minded) would value cash in the bank much more that a trade debt. Conversely, a person with a high risk mentality would be happier with debtors even though conversion to cash is not guaranteed.
    This is very useful thank you.

    Actually in my example I was working under the assumption that the trade debts were all past the due date.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    A royal duty is visiting a school or town or factory or charidee event and having hundreds of people turn out who believe they have had a great and rewarding day. Ask Lt Cdr David Brannighan you uncouth jack you.
    Joanna Lumley as President of the Republic could do all of that with more charm and considerably less expense and drama.
    President Brian Blessed would do a better job.

    The President’s Speech on Christmas Day would be the most watched show of the year.
  • tlg86 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    Indeed. It is curious watching some republicans go into bat for Harry and Meghan.

    Ultimately the Monarchy is an institution and it's about who they are and what they represent. Yes, they're expected to attend events and smile for photos, but that isn't really what they are being paid for.
    They’re going into bat for Harry and Meghan because they know it upsets monarchists and will help undermine the institution as a whole.
    Or possibly that they find the whole cult of celebrity nauseous, and it matters not whether they are self-indulgent royals or wannabe celebs from TOWIE
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    Ouch. Phil Collins gets to the meat of it:

    "Emily Thornberry, whose leadership campaign is struggling to take wing, now declares that the people around Mr Corbyn worried her. This is the gang she was campaigning to put into Downing Street. It is a good thing the rest of us acted on what she thought rather than what she said. "

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ebb35fee-32fd-11ea-b8ef-1301adfca080
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,623
    Dura_Ace said:

    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    A royal duty is visiting a school or town or factory or charidee event and having hundreds of people turn out who believe they have had a great and rewarding day. Ask Lt Cdr David Brannighan you uncouth jack you.
    Joanna Lumley as President of the Republic could do all of that with more charm and considerably less expense and drama.
    Isn’t half the current problem that we have an actress in the family? ;)

    In reality, we either have royals or someone elected.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,210
    edited January 2020

    Homework Help

    Would anyone be kind enough to offer some thoughts on at what point (if any) they would consider cash in the bank on a balance sheet having greater subjective value than its equivalent as an asset (trade debtor)?

    For example, would a business that had 50k in cash and 75k in assets be worth more than a business that had 25k in cash and 100k in assets? What about 0 in cash and 125k in assets (cash-flow issues??)

    Assuming the assets are all debts owed to the business. I’m thinking risk of recovery and the time-value of recovery.

    They're all worth the same (£125k), but cash is a more liquid asset than debtors so superior
    Quincel said:

    Saw this on the previous thread. We have our first poll in ~7 weeks without Biden leading. Ipsos have had much lower Biden numbers for a while though, and the shift from their previous poll is within the margin or error.

    https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1215450497085321217

    That lot sums through to 61%. Only USA pollsters strip out the "Don't knows" - no idea why you'd do that unless you're assuming 100% turnout which is preposterous.

    Sanders 28%
    Biden 25%
    Warren 16%
    Bloomberg 10%
    Buttigieg 8%
    Yang 5%
    Steyer 5%
    Booker 3%
    https://
    fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/mkt/13/810
    /808/Topline%20Reuters%202020%20Democratic%20Primary%20Tracker%2001%2009%202020.pdf
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Dura_Ace said:

    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    A royal duty is visiting a school or town or factory or charidee event and having hundreds of people turn out who believe they have had a great and rewarding day. Ask Lt Cdr David Brannighan you uncouth jack you.
    Joanna Lumley as President of the Republic could do all of that with more charm and considerably less expense and drama.
    Think of the expense of renaming all those ships.
  • Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,678
    edited January 2020
    Sandpit said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    A royal duty is visiting a school or town or factory or charidee event and having hundreds of people turn out who believe they have had a great and rewarding day. Ask Lt Cdr David Brannighan you uncouth jack you.
    Joanna Lumley as President of the Republic could do all of that with more charm and considerably less expense and drama.
    Isn’t half the current problem that we have an actress in the family? ;)

    In reality, we either have royals or someone elected.
    Take back control from our unelected rulers eh?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    A royal duty is visiting a school or town or factory or charidee event and having hundreds of people turn out who believe they have had a great and rewarding day. Ask Lt Cdr David Brannighan you uncouth jack you.
    Joanna Lumley as President of the Republic could do all of that with more charm and considerably less expense and drama.
    Think of the expense of renaming all those ships.
    We could have an elected monarch (on a fixed term) therefore no ship renaming required!
  • Homework Help

    Would anyone be kind enough to offer some thoughts on at what point (if any) they would consider cash in the bank on a balance sheet having greater subjective value than its equivalent as an asset (trade debtor)?

    For example, would a business that had 50k in cash and 75k in assets be worth more than a business that had 25k in cash and 100k in assets? What about 0 in cash and 125k in assets (cash-flow issues??)

    Assuming the assets are all debts owed to the business. I’m thinking risk of recovery and the time-value of recovery.

    No idea. Intuitively it sounds like a curve and they are asking about inflection points.

    Have you been told about the new study techniques the cool kids are using (and which does explain the part of grade inflation that is not due to easier questions and more motivated children)? Active recall, spaced repetition and so on? They might assume you know all this from school.

    Also, google, youtube and wikipedia. Just googling your question comes up with Deloitte's thoughts on the matter.
    https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/in/Documents/risk/Corporate Governance/Audit Committee/in-gc-guality-of-financial-position-the-balance-sheet-and-beyond-noexp.pdf
    (Interesting the URL has a g in quality -- dodgy ocr?)

    But that is not the point. PB's experts can answer the question. Just checking you know to work smart, not hard. When I was first a student, it did not even occur to me to look at past papers!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Go on then, tell us what she should have done with Andrew.
  • Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Hasn't Andy been effectively banished? No duties; no charity work; not even a royal mince pie at Christmas.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    A royal duty is visiting a school or town or factory or charidee event and having hundreds of people turn out who believe they have had a great and rewarding day. Ask Lt Cdr David Brannighan you uncouth jack you.
    Joanna Lumley as President of the Republic could do all of that with more charm and considerably less expense and drama.
    Think of the expense of renaming all those ships.
    10 active escort vessels at the moment. We'll have it done over the weekend.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    Although I like some of them, We actually don't need royals at all.
    nunu2 said:

    nunu2 said:

    I know most of pb will fight back against this but there is I feel a racial undertone to some of the abuse Meghan gets as well good old British classism.

    It's hard to see it if you've never gone through it.

    She doesn't even contact her family anymore.
    Oh and you know her and her family?
    Yes.
  • tlg86 said:

    Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Go on then, tell us what she should have done with Andrew.
    Sent him to America to co-operate with the law enforcement agencies & civil claims investigating Epstein and not let him back in the UK until everyone was happy that he had cooperated.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    Homework Help

    Would anyone be kind enough to offer some thoughts on at what point (if any) they would consider cash in the bank on a balance sheet having greater subjective value than its equivalent as an asset (trade debtor)?

    For example, would a business that had 50k in cash and 75k in assets be worth more than a business that had 25k in cash and 100k in assets? What about 0 in cash and 125k in assets (cash-flow issues??)

    Assuming the assets are all debts owed to the business. I’m thinking risk of recovery and the time-value of recovery.

    No idea. Intuitively it sounds like a curve and they are asking about inflection points.

    Have you been told about the new study techniques the cool kids are using (and which does explain the part of grade inflation that is not due to easier questions and more motivated children)? Active recall, spaced repetition and so on? They might assume you know all this from school.

    Also, google, youtube and wikipedia. Just googling your question comes up with Deloitte's thoughts on the matter.
    https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/in/Documents/risk/Corporate Governance/Audit Committee/in-gc-guality-of-financial-position-the-balance-sheet-and-beyond-noexp.pdf
    (Interesting the URL has a g in quality -- dodgy ocr?)

    But that is not the point. PB's experts can answer the question. Just checking you know to work smart, not hard. When I was first a student, it did not even occur to me to look at past papers!
    Thank you I appreciate the help. I have seen that paper from a Google search but I’m trying to frame my answer around “reality” rather than “per the book” therefore was more curious to hear some anecdotes and personal opinions as I know quite a few PBers work in business and finance.

    As others have mentioned, different people with different risk aversions perhaps subjectively view these things differently.

    I also assume different industries view these things differently. Ones with tighter margins and therefore higher likelihood of cash-flow problems probably but a great subjective value to cash.

    All fuel for the fire!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,210


    No idea. Intuitively it sounds like a curve and they are asking about inflection points.

    Err ? This is accounting not calculus !
  • Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Hasn't Andy been effectively banished? No duties; no charity work; not even a royal mince pie at Christmas.
    Still gets paid to do bugger all for the Royal Family something the Queen apparently won’t do for the Sussexes.
  • Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Andrew is guilty as we all know, he should be giving life or equivalent.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    tlg86 said:

    Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Go on then, tell us what she should have done with Andrew.
    Sent him to America to co-operate with the law enforcement agencies & civil claims investigating Epstein and not let him back in the UK until everyone was happy that he had cooperated.
    Have they asked to interview him?

    Given some of the stuff coming out of the US, I'm not sure the Americans want to get to the truth...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51053205
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,678
    edited January 2020
    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Go on then, tell us what she should have done with Andrew.
    Sent him to America to co-operate with the law enforcement agencies & civil claims investigating Epstein and not let him back in the UK until everyone was happy that he had cooperated.
    Have they asked to interview him?

    Given some of the stuff coming out of the US, I'm not sure the Americans want to get to the truth...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51053205
    I know that some of the victims and their legal teams want to speak to Prince Andrew.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Andrew is guilty as we all know, he should be giving life or equivalent.
    Is that like giving head? And what would "equivalent" be? And why haven't you told us how often Andrew contacts his family?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Go on then, tell us what she should have done with Andrew.
    Sent him to America to co-operate with the law enforcement agencies & civil claims investigating Epstein and not let him back in the UK until everyone was happy that he had cooperated.
    Have they asked to interview him?

    Given some of the stuff coming out of the US, I'm not sure the Americans want to get to the truth...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51053205
    I know some of the victims and their legal teams want to speak to Prince Andrew.
    So not what you said originally, glad we cleared that up.
  • Ouch. Phil Collins gets to the meat of it:

    "Emily Thornberry, whose leadership campaign is struggling to take wing, now declares that the people around Mr Corbyn worried her. This is the gang she was campaigning to put into Downing Street. It is a good thing the rest of us acted on what she thought rather than what she said. "

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ebb35fee-32fd-11ea-b8ef-1301adfca080

    Nonsense on stilts because as @rcs1000 said in a completely different context, it is a forced choice. You can't have Corbyn without Seamus just as you can't have Boris without Dom, and just think how many Conservatives have doubts about him!
  • tlg86 said:

    Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Go on then, tell us what she should have done with Andrew.
    Sent him to America to co-operate with the law enforcement agencies & civil claims investigating Epstein and not let him back in the UK until everyone was happy that he had cooperated.
    He'd be a 'suicide' risk if he ever set foot in the US.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,468
    edited January 2020

    Homework Help


    But that is not the point. PB's experts can answer the question. Just checking you know to work smart, not hard. When I was first a student, it did not even occur to me to look at past papers!

    OKC Commented.
    We used to spend ages on past papers at school, especially in Botany & Zoology. I always wondered what the definitive essay in answer to each was.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Go on then, tell us what she should have done with Andrew.
    Sent him to America to co-operate with the law enforcement agencies & civil claims investigating Epstein and not let him back in the UK until everyone was happy that he had cooperated.
    Have they asked to interview him?

    Given some of the stuff coming out of the US, I'm not sure the Americans want to get to the truth...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51053205
    I know some of the victims and their legal teams want to speak to Prince Andrew.
    Inserting "that" after "know" would disambiguate that sentence.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,468

    Ouch. Phil Collins gets to the meat of it:

    "Emily Thornberry, whose leadership campaign is struggling to take wing, now declares that the people around Mr Corbyn worried her. This is the gang she was campaigning to put into Downing Street. It is a good thing the rest of us acted on what she thought rather than what she said. "

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ebb35fee-32fd-11ea-b8ef-1301adfca080

    Nonsense on stilts because as @rcs1000 said in a completely different context, it is a forced choice. You can't have Corbyn without Seamus just as you can't have Boris without Dom, and just think how many Conservatives have doubts about him!
    But, but but ,Dom, with Boris as front man, has just led them. to an amazing victory whereby they can stamp their (jack)boots on the opposition!
  • tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Go on then, tell us what she should have done with Andrew.
    Sent him to America to co-operate with the law enforcement agencies & civil claims investigating Epstein and not let him back in the UK until everyone was happy that he had cooperated.
    Have they asked to interview him?

    Given some of the stuff coming out of the US, I'm not sure the Americans want to get to the truth...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51053205
    I know some of the victims and their legal teams want to speak to Prince Andrew.
    So not what you said originally, glad we cleared that up.
    It is what I said originally. The civil claims are coming from the victims of Epstein and their legal teams.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Go on then, tell us what she should have done with Andrew.
    Sent him to America to co-operate with the law enforcement agencies & civil claims investigating Epstein and not let him back in the UK until everyone was happy that he had cooperated.
    Have they asked to interview him?

    Given some of the stuff coming out of the US, I'm not sure the Americans want to get to the truth...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51053205
    I know some of the victims and their legal teams want to speak to Prince Andrew.
    So not what you said originally, glad we cleared that up.
    It is what I said originally. The civil claims are coming from the victims of Epstein and their legal teams.
    But not law enforcement.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,210
    What is Harry's carbon footprint, and Just how many Koalas has he killed with those monstrous emissions fuelling the climate energy for the Aussie bushfires ?
  • IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Go on then, tell us what she should have done with Andrew.
    Sent him to America to co-operate with the law enforcement agencies & civil claims investigating Epstein and not let him back in the UK until everyone was happy that he had cooperated.
    Have they asked to interview him?

    Given some of the stuff coming out of the US, I'm not sure the Americans want to get to the truth...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51053205
    I know some of the victims and their legal teams want to speak to Prince Andrew.
    Inserting "that" after "know" would disambiguate that sentence.
    Done.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    Homework Help

    Would anyone be kind enough to offer some thoughts on at what point (if any) they would consider cash in the bank on a balance sheet having greater subjective value than its equivalent as an asset (trade debtor)?

    For example, would a business that had 50k in cash and 75k in assets be worth more than a business that had 25k in cash and 100k in assets? What about 0 in cash and 125k in assets (cash-flow issues??)

    Assuming the assets are all debts owed to the business. I’m thinking risk of recovery and the time-value of recovery.

    No idea. Intuitively it sounds like a curve and they are asking about inflection points.

    Have you been told about the new study techniques the cool kids are using (and which does explain the part of grade inflation that is not due to easier questions and more motivated children)? Active recall, spaced repetition and so on? They might assume you know all this from school.

    Also, google, youtube and wikipedia. Just googling your question comes up with Deloitte's thoughts on the matter.
    https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/in/Documents/risk/Corporate Governance/Audit Committee/in-gc-guality-of-financial-position-the-balance-sheet-and-beyond-noexp.pdf
    (Interesting the URL has a g in quality -- dodgy ocr?)

    But that is not the point. PB's experts can answer the question. Just checking you know to work smart, not hard. When I was first a student, it did not even occur to me to look at past papers!
    Thank you I appreciate the help. I have seen that paper from a Google search but I’m trying to frame my answer around “reality” rather than “per the book” therefore was more curious to hear some anecdotes and personal opinions as I know quite a few PBers work in business and finance.

    As others have mentioned, different people with different risk aversions perhaps subjectively view these things differently.

    I also assume different industries view these things differently. Ones with tighter margins and therefore higher likelihood of cash-flow problems probably but a great subjective value to cash.

    All fuel for the fire!
    Remember: art not science!
  • TheGreenMachineTheGreenMachine Posts: 1,088
    edited January 2020
    IshmaelZ said:

    Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Andrew is guilty as we all know, he should be giving life or equivalent.
    Is that like giving head? And what would "equivalent" be? And why haven't you told us how often Andrew contacts his family?
    You should take Russell Howard's job.

    40 years or something would be the equivalent.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Dura_Ace said:

    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    A royal duty is visiting a school or town or factory or charidee event and having hundreds of people turn out who believe they have had a great and rewarding day. Ask Lt Cdr David Brannighan you uncouth jack you.
    Joanna Lumley as President of the Republic could do all of that with more charm and considerably less expense and drama.
    President Brian Blessed would do a better job.

    The President’s Speech on Christmas Day would be the most watched show of the year.
    No TV required. Just stand in your garden.....
  • isam said:


    There you are now, Harry and his new wife.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    Although I like some of them, We actually don't need royals at all.
    Is that the royal We?
  • isam said:


    There you are now, Harry and his new wife.
    Fake news. Harry has never auditioned for the Addams Family.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    isam said:


    There you are now, Harry and his new wife.
    Fake news. Harry has never auditioned for the Addams Family.
    How do you know?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    isam said:


    There you are now, Harry and his new wife.
    Fake news. Harry has never auditioned for the Addams Family.
    Yet.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,720

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    There might be some sweet new buildings to officially open during the Brexit boom!
    Are the official receivers expanding? Or is it Customs booths that you have in mind? o:)
  • isam said:


    There you are now, Harry and his new wife.
    Fake news. Harry has never auditioned for the Addams Family.
    Correct but sources say he's very close to the ADAMS family as In Gerry.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    I was right. Brexit is dropping down the agenda. I was ridiculed for this notion, mainly by ultra Remainers, but it’s happening. No one cares. Everyone is bored. Let the geeks sort it out

    After we actually leave on Jan 31 it will vanish entirely as a first order issue
  • Byronic said:

    I was right. Brexit is dropping down the agenda. I was ridiculed for this notion, mainly by ultra Remainers, but it’s happening. No one cares. Everyone is bored. Let the geeks sort it out

    After we actually leave on Jan 31 it will vanish entirely as a first order issue

    Bless, you're forgetting that No Deal hasn't gone away.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,291
    edited January 2020
    I see weirdo Clive Lewis has decided to open his leadership campaign calling for a referendum on the monarchy.

    Just what the country is demanding right now!!!!! This will really get Labour back on track after their worst defeat since 1935.

    Well done Clive! :D
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767
    GIN1138 said:

    I see weirdo Clive Lewis has decided to open his leadership campaign calling for a referendum on the monarchy.

    Just what the country is demanding right now!!!!! This will really get Labour back on track after their worst defeat since 1935.

    Well done Clive! :D

    A weirdo you say? I believe there are vacancies at No.10 for such people.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Byronic said:

    I was right. Brexit is dropping down the agenda. I was ridiculed for this notion, mainly by ultra Remainers, but it’s happening. No one cares. Everyone is bored. Let the geeks sort it out

    After we actually leave on Jan 31 it will vanish entirely as a first order issue

    That’s right, until things start to actually change in ways that normal people take for granted. Especially if there’s a recession. If Labour have a persuasive and effective enough leadership team that can reframe the issue so that the “common wisdom” is that Brexit is to blame, then everything is to play for.

    I keep making the point that Brexit is abstract, even now. No one cares because it means different things to different people.

    When it becomes real, with real effects, then who knows.

    Obviously all of this is a moot point if RLB is Labour leader.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,767

    Byronic said:

    I was right. Brexit is dropping down the agenda. I was ridiculed for this notion, mainly by ultra Remainers, but it’s happening. No one cares. Everyone is bored. Let the geeks sort it out

    After we actually leave on Jan 31 it will vanish entirely as a first order issue

    Bless, you're forgetting that No Deal hasn't gone away.
    Currently running down my No Deal food stash. Will have to restock next autumn.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,291
    Byronic said:

    I was right. Brexit is dropping down the agenda. I was ridiculed for this notion, mainly by ultra Remainers, but it’s happening. No one cares. Everyone is bored. Let the geeks sort it out

    After we actually leave on Jan 31 it will vanish entirely as a first order issue

    It's very notable how the daily drip, drip, drip of negative Brexit stories on BBC/SKY/ITV has suddenly stopped since 12th Dec.
  • GIN1138 said:

    I see weirdo Clive Lewis has decided to open his leadership campaign calling for a referendum on the monarchy.

    Just what the country is demanding right now!!!!! This will really get Labour back on track after their worst defeat since 1935.

    Well done Clive! :D

    Did he actually say that?

    Monarchy referendum how good would that be?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    GIN1138 said:

    I see weirdo Clive Lewis has decided to open his leadership campaign calling for a referendum on the monarchy.

    Just what the country is demanding right now!!!!! This will really get Labour back on track after their worst defeat since 1935.

    Well done Clive! :D

    I was thinking about this earlier. As with Brexit, the question should not be “should we get rid of the monarchy?” But rather “what should we replace it with?”
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    GIN1138 said:

    I see weirdo Clive Lewis has decided to open his leadership campaign calling for a referendum on the monarchy.

    Just what the country is demanding right now!!!!! This will really get Labour back on track after their worst defeat since 1935.

    Well done Clive! :D

    Did he actually say that?

    Monarchy referendum how good would that be?
    Would it be a once in a generation referendum, Clive?
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608
    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    There might be some sweet new buildings to officially open during the Brexit boom!
    Are the official receivers expanding? Or is it Customs booths that you have in mind? o:)
    Well, there's a big ol' bridge from Scotland to NI in the pipeline, right?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Byronic said:

    I was right. Brexit is dropping down the agenda. I was ridiculed for this notion, mainly by ultra Remainers, but it’s happening. No one cares. Everyone is bored. Let the geeks sort it out

    After we actually leave on Jan 31 it will vanish entirely as a first order issue

    Bless, you're forgetting that No Deal hasn't gone away.
    As long as the EU haven't forgotten, all will be fine.....
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,291

    GIN1138 said:

    I see weirdo Clive Lewis has decided to open his leadership campaign calling for a referendum on the monarchy.

    Just what the country is demanding right now!!!!! This will really get Labour back on track after their worst defeat since 1935.

    Well done Clive! :D

    A weirdo you say? I believe there are vacancies at No.10 for such people.
    Oh there's nothing wrong with weirdos, oddballs, fruitcakes, etc. The Great British eccentric is the stuff of legend after all and politics is full of them.

    Generally they tend not to be leadership material though and when they do get into leadership positions the end result tends not to be good for them or their party. ;)
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,729
    GIN1138 said:

    I see weirdo Clive Lewis has decided to open his leadership campaign calling for a referendum on the monarchy.

    Just what the country is demanding right now!!!!! This will really get Labour back on track after their worst defeat since 1935.

    Well done Clive! :D

    Wasnt he the guy who was on the Andrew Neil show the other night. Completely weird.. i thought he might have been on uppers given his body language!!!
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    edited January 2020

    Byronic said:

    I was right. Brexit is dropping down the agenda. I was ridiculed for this notion, mainly by ultra Remainers, but it’s happening. No one cares. Everyone is bored. Let the geeks sort it out

    After we actually leave on Jan 31 it will vanish entirely as a first order issue

    Bless, you're forgetting that No Deal hasn't gone away.
    Lol. You think the EU will allow a No Deal. They’re already talking about the EU asking for a transition even if we don’t want one

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7830177/Brussels-hints-demand-Brexit-EXTENSION-agree-UK-trade-deal-leaves-EU.html

    There will be a bare bones deal on goods. Just enough. It will be sellotape and glue. And the city will get temporary rights as the eu panics about access to liquidity

    They expected us to blink and revote, Just like every other country. We didn’t. It’s a different game now, and over time a reasonable deal will be done.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    I was right. Brexit is dropping down the agenda. I was ridiculed for this notion, mainly by ultra Remainers, but it’s happening. No one cares. Everyone is bored. Let the geeks sort it out

    After we actually leave on Jan 31 it will vanish entirely as a first order issue

    Bless, you're forgetting that No Deal hasn't gone away.
    Lol. You think the EU will allow a No Deal. They’re already talking about the EU asking for a transition even if we don’t want one



    There will be a bare bones deal on goods. Just enough. It will be sellotape and glue. And the city will get temporary rights as the eu panics about access to liquidity

    They expected us to blink and revote, Just like every other country. We didn’t. It’s a different game now, and over time a reasonable deal will be done.
    Are you seriously still clinging onto the “we hold all the cards” nonsense?
    Do you seriously think that the everyday person won’t notice any negatives between what we have now and a “bare bones trade deal on goods”?
  • Pulpstar said:


    No idea. Intuitively it sounds like a curve and they are asking about inflection points.

    Err ? This is accounting not calculus !
    It is supposed to be law. @Gallowgate must have wandered into the wrong lecture by mistake. Which is geography.
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