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  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468

    Pulpstar said:


    No idea. Intuitively it sounds like a curve and they are asking about inflection points.

    Err ? This is accounting not calculus !
    It is supposed to be law. @Gallowgate must have wandered into the wrong lecture by mistake. Which is geography.
    Just trying to get the most value for money. ;)
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    I was right. Brexit is dropping down the agenda. I was ridiculed for this notion, mainly by ultra Remainers, but it’s happening. No one cares. Everyone is bored. Let the geeks sort it out

    After we actually leave on Jan 31 it will vanish entirely as a first order issue

    Bless, you're forgetting that No Deal hasn't gone away.
    Lol. You think the EU will allow a No Deal. They’re already talking about the EU asking for a transition even if we don’t want one



    There will be a bare bones deal on goods. Just enough. It will be sellotape and glue. And the city will get temporary rights as the eu panics about access to liquidity

    They expected us to blink and revote, Just like every other country. We didn’t. It’s a different game now, and over time a reasonable deal will be done.
    Are you seriously still clinging onto the “we hold all the cards” nonsense?
    Do you seriously think that the everyday person won’t notice any negatives between what we have now and a “bare bones trade deal on goods”?
    We hold many more cards now because we have a strong government which really is prepared to go to No Deal, in the belief the economic pain can assuaged by patriotic fervor - and, more importantly, they have five years before the next election.

    In that respect, game theory says it really is the EU which is more likely to fold. Or at least come to a much more friendly compromise than before .

    Get over it, Remainer losers.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    Very important for keeping the vital tabloid sector going. Where would we be without the Mail 'n' Express?
    (still in the EU probably)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    edited January 2020
    Animal_pb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    There might be some sweet new buildings to officially open during the Brexit boom!
    Are the official receivers expanding? Or is it Customs booths that you have in mind? o:)
    Well, there's a big ol' bridge from Scotland to NI in the pipeline, right?
    Scotland is no longer thought a secure route.

    The bridge (except it is a tunnel now) will go from NW England (Workington?) to Belfast via the Isle of Man. So says the Sunday Times.

    Great work, Nicola.
  • GIN1138 said:

    I see weirdo Clive Lewis has decided to open his leadership campaign calling for a referendum on the monarchy.

    Just what the country is demanding right now!!!!! This will really get Labour back on track after their worst defeat since 1935.

    Well done Clive! :D

    Did he actually say that?

    Monarchy referendum how good would that be?
    Would it be a once in a generation referendum, Clive?
    The more referendums and elections there are, the more money we can make!
  • @MarqueeMark

    There's no real answer to how long or short a generation is.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    @MarqueeMark

    There's no real answer to how long or short a generation is.

    Maybe we should standardise it to the reign of a monarch? Say QE2?
  • Fuxake.
    I'm not sure if Brexit has sent the nation demented or it's just a symptom of an underlying long term condition.

    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1215295132385316866?s=20
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222

    Byronic said:

    I was right. Brexit is dropping down the agenda. I was ridiculed for this notion, mainly by ultra Remainers, but it’s happening. No one cares. Everyone is bored. Let the geeks sort it out

    After we actually leave on Jan 31 it will vanish entirely as a first order issue

    Bless, you're forgetting that No Deal hasn't gone away.
    No Deal WILL have gone away because we will have with a WA/transitional period. Until about Nov, this was the definition of No Deal.

    Interesting to see that some have decided to re-draw the definition to keep the negativity going.

    The public have little interest of the technicalities of what happens after 31/1. We shall have left = referendum honoured.

    I voted remain, and agree that failing to achieve a trade deal is possible and that this would be bad. But people were warned about this in various ways which were dismissed as "scare stories" and people voted to leave anyway.

    As someone clever once said: democracy is the theory that people should be given what they want. And they must be given it good and hard.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,291

    Fuxake.
    I'm not sure if Brexit has sent the nation demented or it's just a symptom of an underlying long term condition.

    https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1215295132385316866?s=20

    LOL! Suspect there will be quite a few people who take one look at this and think H is a very lucky boy! :D
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Sefridges Shortbread sales say Harry & Meghan more popular than Wills & Kate #smallsample


  • @MarqueeMark

    There's no real answer to how long or short a generation is.

    Maybe we should standardise it to the reign of a monarch? Say QE2?
    No as you could have 3 generations or more in that time.
  • @MarqueeMark

    If a person was born @ 11.58 pm on new year's Eve 1989 and another was born at 12.02 am new year's day 1990, would you consider them the same or different generation?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited January 2020
    Steyer is offering a centrist challenge to Biden for moderate and conservative voters in more conservative states like South Carolina, in liberal states like California and early voting states like Iowa and New Hampshire he is nowhere.

    Nationally he also trails Bloomberg who has now overtaken Buttigieg with Sanders taking the lead

    https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1215445550616776705?s=20
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405

    Animal_pb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    There might be some sweet new buildings to officially open during the Brexit boom!
    Are the official receivers expanding? Or is it Customs booths that you have in mind? o:)
    Well, there's a big ol' bridge from Scotland to NI in the pipeline, right?
    Scotland is no longer thought a secure route.

    The bridge (except it is a tunnel now) will go from NW England (Workington?) to Belfast via the Isle of Man. So says the Sunday Times.

    Great work, Nicola.
    An English link makes more sense - otherwise you are just adding hours of additional driving with little actually benefit for the economies those lorries drive through

    The drive to Stranraer is pretty but does take a long time.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited January 2020
    GIN1138 said:

    I see weirdo Clive Lewis has decided to open his leadership campaign calling for a referendum on the monarchy.

    Just what the country is demanding right now!!!!! This will really get Labour back on track after their worst defeat since 1935.

    Well done Clive! :D

    Yes, 69% of voters back the monarchy but republicans tend to be Labour voters so Lewis knows his target audience in the leadership race

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/05/18/who-are-monarchists
  • eek said:

    Animal_pb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    There might be some sweet new buildings to officially open during the Brexit boom!
    Are the official receivers expanding? Or is it Customs booths that you have in mind? o:)
    Well, there's a big ol' bridge from Scotland to NI in the pipeline, right?
    Scotland is no longer thought a secure route.

    The bridge (except it is a tunnel now) will go from NW England (Workington?) to Belfast via the Isle of Man. So says the Sunday Times.

    Great work, Nicola.
    An English link makes more sense - otherwise you are just adding hours of additional driving with little actually benefit for the economies those lorries drive through

    The drive to Stranraer is pretty but does take a long time.
    Narrator: neither a bridge or a tunnel came to pass.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405

    eek said:

    Animal_pb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    There might be some sweet new buildings to officially open during the Brexit boom!
    Are the official receivers expanding? Or is it Customs booths that you have in mind? o:)
    Well, there's a big ol' bridge from Scotland to NI in the pipeline, right?
    Scotland is no longer thought a secure route.

    The bridge (except it is a tunnel now) will go from NW England (Workington?) to Belfast via the Isle of Man. So says the Sunday Times.

    Great work, Nicola.
    An English link makes more sense - otherwise you are just adding hours of additional driving with little actually benefit for the economies those lorries drive through

    The drive to Stranraer is pretty but does take a long time.
    Narrator: neither a bridge or a tunnel came to pass.
    Yep - it's too much money for not enough benefit - still it's probably cheaper than HS2 and would benefit far more people.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,678
    edited January 2020
    This is very dispiriting, works out £240 per hour, they should be charging more

    https://twitter.com/JohnHyde1982/status/1215609893572546560
    https://twitter.com/JohnHyde1982/status/1215610408821821440
  • timmo said:
    This will be no.1 next week, lol.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148

    Byronic said:

    I was right. Brexit is dropping down the agenda. I was ridiculed for this notion, mainly by ultra Remainers, but it’s happening. No one cares. Everyone is bored. Let the geeks sort it out

    After we actually leave on Jan 31 it will vanish entirely as a first order issue

    Bless, you're forgetting that No Deal hasn't gone away.
    It has , the Withdrawal Agreement has passed the Commons, when we agree the trade deal is a different matter
  • Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose an unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    God, at least I wasn't wrong as the Leaver SeanT who offered a bet of £10,000 that the UK would have left the EU by the end of 2019.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148

    Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Hasn't Andy been effectively banished? No duties; no charity work; not even a royal mince pie at Christmas.
    Still gets paid to do bugger all for the Royal Family something the Queen apparently won’t do for the Sussexes.
    They are apparently still keeping Frogmore for the time being and titles and it was they who asked to step back the Queen did not ask them to
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose an unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    God, at least I wasn't wrong as the Leaver SeanT who offered a bet of £10,000 that the UK would have left the EU by the end of 2019.
    SeanT should have refused to pay in on the very honourable basis that he was right in principle, and we are leaving, and very soon, he was merely out by a month. Of course, I was merely lurking at the time, but AIUI williamglenn's firm position was that Brexit would NEVER HAPPEN
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    eek said:

    Animal_pb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    There might be some sweet new buildings to officially open during the Brexit boom!
    Are the official receivers expanding? Or is it Customs booths that you have in mind? o:)
    Well, there's a big ol' bridge from Scotland to NI in the pipeline, right?
    Scotland is no longer thought a secure route.

    The bridge (except it is a tunnel now) will go from NW England (Workington?) to Belfast via the Isle of Man. So says the Sunday Times.

    Great work, Nicola.
    An English link makes more sense - otherwise you are just adding hours of additional driving with little actually benefit for the economies those lorries drive through

    The drive to Stranraer is pretty but does take a long time.
    Narrator: neither a bridge or a tunnel came to pass.
    Oh, it probaby will, just so Boris can say to the Scots "let's see what you could have won....." - as Ireland gets a massive influx of tourists driving in from Europe whilst Scotland gets to see lichen grow on its roads.

    A majority of 80 means he can get away with spending tens of billions just to troll Nicola Sturgeon.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,806
    Mr. Byronic, you're aware that Mr. Eagles (to mention one of the three) does a lot of work keeping the site going, right?

    If people who are wrong often were banished there'd be a vacuum instead of a site.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,127
    edited January 2020
    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose this unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and soon after that they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    There are many reasons to be banned from PB. One of them might be the failure to pay a gambling debt made between two PBers.

    :)

    [Ps you do know @TheScreamingEagles is one of the people who run the site, yes?]
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    tlg86 said:

    Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Go on then, tell us what she should have done with Andrew.
    Sent him to America to co-operate with the law enforcement agencies & civil claims investigating Epstein and not let him back in the UK until everyone was happy that he had cooperated.
    You should know as a lawyer that no lawyer would ever advise a client to do what you are suggesting. There are standard legal ways in which, if he has relevant evidence, the US courts can obtain such evidence. The most sensible thing for Andrew to do is to get himself the best possible US and UK legal advice and do what they advise.

    HMQ, more probably, Charles, has rightly retired Andrew from all royal duties, closed his office, cancelled his birthday party and cut him out of invitations to state/similar dinners at the Palace. Very sensible. But it is worth remembering that he has not been charged with anything and that a US court removed a claim against him in a civil action. He may be a moron but he too like the rest of us is innocent until proven guilty.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    edited January 2020

    Mr. Byronic, you're aware that Mr. Eagles (to mention one of the three) does a lot of work keeping the site going, right?

    If people who are wrong often were banished there'd be a vacuum instead of a site.

    That just makes it even more ridiculous. Remainers shouldn't be in charge of anything. They fuck up everything they touch, from the original referendum, to the aftermath when they could have got EEA, to the stupidity of the People's Vote, to completely bungling the election and handling it to Boris, to killing that fox while sexually aroused in a tiny lady's kimono THEN TWEETING ABOUT IT

    Remainers should be kept ten yards from any heavy machinery. They'd kill us all.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,769
    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose this unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and soon after that they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    I said that Brexit would never actually happen, but barring some last minute act of God, it will happen at end of the month.

    So, I was wrong.

    I don't recall killing any foxes though.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    edited January 2020
    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose an unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    "Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit."

    Brexit hasn`t happened yet (quite) - so I`d reserve judgement on that. A better argument is to say that people decided to leave the EU whether or not there proved to be negative economic consequences.

    It was, at root, an emotional and identity-driven decision by leavers (sovereignty, national identity), but what is less discussed is that the remainers (including those that you deride) feel as emotional about staying a member of the EU as do those that want to leave - that`s why they keep banging on about it and can`t let go of the negativity.

    My remain vote was based on pragmatic pro-and-con reasoning and I don`t understand people who voted remain because they are attached to a governing body as some remainers clearly are (esp in my party, the libdems). It seems odd to me. But the fact is that many ARE emotionally attached to the EU and this needs to be respected.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose this unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and soon after that they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    On the upside, bathing in Remainer Tears is even better than asses milk.

    Cleopatra, see my complexion and DESPAIR!
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    viewcode said:

    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose this unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and soon after that they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    There are many reasons to be banned from PB. One of them might be the failure to pay a gambling debt made between two PBers.

    :)
    Has he not paid it? Tut tut. That is bad. No doubt Mr Glenn will be on here to tell us?

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    BTW those who think that no-one will care about Brexit after the end of the month should listen to the section in this morning’s Today programme about fishing - both the expectations of Britain’s fishing community and those of EU fishermen, who want nothing to change (ha!) - as well as Ursula van der Leyen who seems intent on using “sequencing” to make fishing the same key issue as NI was in the withdrawal talks.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,769
    Byronic said:

    Mr. Byronic, you're aware that Mr. Eagles (to mention one of the three) does a lot of work keeping the site going, right?

    If people who are wrong often were banished there'd be a vacuum instead of a site.

    That just makes it even more ridiculous. Remainers shouldn't be in charge of anything. They fuck up everything they touch, from the original referendum, to the aftermath when they could have got EEA, to the stupidity of the People's Vote, to completely bungling the election and handling it to Boris, to killing that fox while sexually aroused in a tiny lady's kimono THEN TWEETING ABOUT IT

    Remainers should be kept ten yards from any heavy machinery. They'd kill us all.
    I see we are back to using 'yards' rather than 'metres' now we are proud, independent nation again.
  • Cyclefree said:

    tlg86 said:

    Interesting the Queen has come down much harder on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex than she has on the friend of the nonce Prince Andrew.

    That tells you everything about the Queen’s moral fibre.

    Go on then, tell us what she should have done with Andrew.
    Sent him to America to co-operate with the law enforcement agencies & civil claims investigating Epstein and not let him back in the UK until everyone was happy that he had cooperated.
    You should know as a lawyer that no lawyer would ever advise a client to do what you are suggesting. There are standard legal ways in which, if he has relevant evidence, the US courts can obtain such evidence. The most sensible thing for Andrew to do is to get himself the best possible US and UK legal advice and do what they advise.

    HMQ, more probably, Charles, has rightly retired Andrew from all royal duties, closed his office, cancelled his birthday party and cut him out of invitations to state/similar dinners at the Palace. Very sensible. But it is worth remembering that he has not been charged with anything and that a US court removed a claim against him in a civil action. He may be a moron but he too like the rest of us is innocent until proven guilty.
    The Royals should set high standards.

    Theoretically can Prince Andrew be extradited to the United States of America?

    Can Royals be extradited? I know our treaty with the Americans is pretty much one sided but still.

    I wanna say sovereign immunity but that's not right, I do recall that nobody cannot be arrested on the grounds of a royal palace, even if the monarch isn't present.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222

    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose this unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and soon after that they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    On the upside, bathing in Remainer Tears is even better than asses milk.

    Cleopatra, see my complexion and DESPAIR!
    Marquee_Mark, the GE was almost month ago now, are you EVER going to be just a little bit magnanimous in victory?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609
    edited January 2020
    Stocky said:

    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose this unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and soon after that they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    On the upside, bathing in Remainer Tears is even better than asses milk.

    Cleopatra, see my complexion and DESPAIR!
    Marquee_Mark, the GE was almost month ago now, are you EVER going to be just a little bit magnanimous in victory?
    Give me a year or so and I'll let you know.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,769

    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose this unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and soon after that they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    On the upside, bathing in Remainer Tears is even better than asses milk.

    Cleopatra, see my complexion and DESPAIR!
    I weep not for myself, but for my country.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Byronic said:

    Mr. Byronic, you're aware that Mr. Eagles (to mention one of the three) does a lot of work keeping the site going, right?

    If people who are wrong often were banished there'd be a vacuum instead of a site.

    That just makes it even more ridiculous. Remainers shouldn't be in charge of anything. They fuck up everything they touch, from the original referendum, to the aftermath when they could have got EEA, to the stupidity of the People's Vote, to completely bungling the election and handling it to Boris, to killing that fox while sexually aroused in a tiny lady's kimono THEN TWEETING ABOUT IT

    Remainers should be kept ten yards from any heavy machinery. They'd kill us all.
    Ive got a feeling this comment wont age well.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    And tell that to t'youth of today, and they'll never believe you.

    https://twitter.com/ProfTimBale/status/1215620815884034049
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,211
    Stocky said:

    People who voted remain because they are attached to a governing body as some remainers clearly are

    This was the weirdest part of the Brexit vote. And to be fair on the leave side too, like yourself I weighed it up and decided on balance (7 out of 10 perhaps) that we'd be better off remaining in.
    But massive numbers of people voted for either leave or remain because they IDENTIFIED as anti or pro EU on an emotional level. I didn't see the extent of that coming down the tracks and thought the arguments around HOW we left (And it seemed unconsciable that we wouldn't after the referendum) might get more traction than the likes of Steve Bray yelling STOOOOOOOOOOOP BREXIT every 30 seconds outside parliament would.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,222
    Well, Byronic has spiced up the thread this afternoon hasn`t he/she!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230
    Stocky said:

    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose this unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and soon after that they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    On the upside, bathing in Remainer Tears is even better than asses milk.

    Cleopatra, see my complexion and DESPAIR!
    Marquee_Mark, the GE was almost month ago now, are you EVER going to be just a little bit magnanimous in victory?
    Will just as likely go from cheerful hubris to bitter and twisted without an intervening stage.
  • eek said:

    Animal_pb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    There might be some sweet new buildings to officially open during the Brexit boom!
    Are the official receivers expanding? Or is it Customs booths that you have in mind? o:)
    Well, there's a big ol' bridge from Scotland to NI in the pipeline, right?
    Scotland is no longer thought a secure route.

    The bridge (except it is a tunnel now) will go from NW England (Workington?) to Belfast via the Isle of Man. So says the Sunday Times.

    Great work, Nicola.
    An English link makes more sense - otherwise you are just adding hours of additional driving with little actually benefit for the economies those lorries drive through

    The drive to Stranraer is pretty but does take a long time.
    Narrator: neither a bridge or a tunnel came to pass.
    Oh, it probaby will, just so Boris can say to the Scots "let's see what you could have won....." - as Ireland gets a massive influx of tourists driving in from Europe whilst Scotland gets to see lichen grow on its roads.

    A majority of 80 means he can get away with spending tens of billions just to troll Nicola Sturgeon.
    Fair enough, BJ's consistent and successful record on infrastructure projects speaks for its self.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    edited January 2020
    I’m not ashamed to admit that I identify as pro-EU on an emotional level. All I see from their side is my values. All I see on the other side is arrogance and xenophobia. It’s natural.

    Weirdly this was not the case before the referendum. This has only happened afterwards.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,127
    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose an unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    God, at least I wasn't wrong as the Leaver SeanT who offered a bet of £10,000 that the UK would have left the EU by the end of 2019.
    SeanT should have refused to pay in on the very honourable basis that he was right in principle, and we are leaving, and very soon, he was merely out by a month. Of course, I was merely lurking at the time, but AIUI williamglenn's firm position was that Brexit would NEVER HAPPEN
    It doesn't work like that. @SeanT and @williamglenn made a bet. Both were adults with contractual competence. @SeanT lost and must pay up. I realise there are some wealthy people who have spent their lives being insulated from the effects of their bad decisions, but this is gambling and money is important. Arguing that the debt should not be paid is a bad thing. @SeanT must pay @williamglenn the money he owes him.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    dr_spyn said:

    And tell that to t'youth of today, and they'll never believe you.

    https://twitter.com/ProfTimBale/status/1215620815884034049

    Fun times. None are working class on the basis that they are obsessively worried about what class they are. Isn't that something only the middle class do?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,153
    Stocky said:

    Well, Byronic has spiced up the thread this afternoon hasn`t he/she!

    Almost as if that was the intent...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    eek said:

    Animal_pb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    There might be some sweet new buildings to officially open during the Brexit boom!
    Are the official receivers expanding? Or is it Customs booths that you have in mind? o:)
    Well, there's a big ol' bridge from Scotland to NI in the pipeline, right?
    Scotland is no longer thought a secure route.

    The bridge (except it is a tunnel now) will go from NW England (Workington?) to Belfast via the Isle of Man. So says the Sunday Times.

    Great work, Nicola.
    An English link makes more sense - otherwise you are just adding hours of additional driving with little actually benefit for the economies those lorries drive through

    The drive to Stranraer is pretty but does take a long time.
    Narrator: neither a bridge or a tunnel came to pass.
    Oh, it probaby will, just so Boris can say to the Scots "let's see what you could have won....." - as Ireland gets a massive influx of tourists driving in from Europe whilst Scotland gets to see lichen grow on its roads.

    A majority of 80 means he can get away with spending tens of billions just to troll Nicola Sturgeon.
    Fair enough, BJ's consistent and successful record on infrastructure projects speaks for its self.
    Let's revisit that record in a decade, huh? (Or in your speak, a couple of generations....)
  • Byronic said:

    Mr. Byronic, you're aware that Mr. Eagles (to mention one of the three) does a lot of work keeping the site going, right?

    If people who are wrong often were banished there'd be a vacuum instead of a site.

    That just makes it even more ridiculous. Remainers shouldn't be in charge of anything. They fuck up everything they touch, from the original referendum, to the aftermath when they could have got EEA, to the stupidity of the People's Vote, to completely bungling the election and handling it to Boris, to killing that fox while sexually aroused in a tiny lady's kimono THEN TWEETING ABOUT IT

    Remainers should be kept ten yards from any heavy machinery. They'd kill us all.
    I see we are back to using 'yards' rather than 'metres' now we are proud, independent nation again.
    Next week: Remainers should be kept two rods from any heavy machinery.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    kle4 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    And tell that to t'youth of today, and they'll never believe you.

    https://twitter.com/ProfTimBale/status/1215620815884034049

    Fun times. None are working class on the basis that they are obsessively worried about what class they are. Isn't that something only the middle class do?
    Ramsay MacDonald was probably the last working class Labour PM, unless I'm very much mistaken.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,002
    edited January 2020

    eek said:

    Animal_pb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    There might be some sweet new buildings to officially open during the Brexit boom!
    Are the official receivers expanding? Or is it Customs booths that you have in mind? o:)
    Well, there's a big ol' bridge from Scotland to NI in the pipeline, right?
    Scotland is no longer thought a secure route.

    The bridge (except it is a tunnel now) will go from NW England (Workington?) to Belfast via the Isle of Man. So says the Sunday Times.

    Great work, Nicola.
    An English link makes more sense - otherwise you are just adding hours of additional driving with little actually benefit for the economies those lorries drive through

    The drive to Stranraer is pretty but does take a long time.
    Narrator: neither a bridge or a tunnel came to pass.
    Oh, it probaby will, just so Boris can say to the Scots "let's see what you could have won....." - as Ireland gets a massive influx of tourists driving in from Europe whilst Scotland gets to see lichen grow on its roads.

    A majority of 80 means he can get away with spending tens of billions just to troll Nicola Sturgeon.
    Fair enough, BJ's consistent and successful record on infrastructure projects speaks for its self.
    Let's revisit that record in a decade, huh? (Or in your speak, a couple of generations....)
    A bet? £50 that no earth will be broken on either a bridge or a tunnel to NI during BJ's premiership.
  • Clive Lewis calls for Royal Family referendum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51062770

    That will get all those patriotic red-wallers back on side.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    dr_spyn said:

    kle4 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    And tell that to t'youth of today, and they'll never believe you.

    https://twitter.com/ProfTimBale/status/1215620815884034049

    Fun times. None are working class on the basis that they are obsessively worried about what class they are. Isn't that something only the middle class do?
    Ramsay MacDonald was probably the last working class Labour PM, unless I'm very much mistaken.
    John Major was the last working class Tory PM,
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    edited January 2020
    Cyclefree said:

    BTW those who think that no-one will care about Brexit after the end of the month should listen to the section in this morning’s Today programme about fishing - both the expectations of Britain’s fishing community and those of EU fishermen, who want nothing to change (ha!) - as well as Ursula van der Leyen who seems intent on using “sequencing” to make fishing the same key issue as NI was in the withdrawal talks.

    Yes fishing is tricky for Boris.....And expensive possibly if the whole coast needs to be patrolled.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    HYUFD said:

    dr_spyn said:

    kle4 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    And tell that to t'youth of today, and they'll never believe you.

    https://twitter.com/ProfTimBale/status/1215620815884034049

    Fun times. None are working class on the basis that they are obsessively worried about what class they are. Isn't that something only the middle class do?
    Ramsay MacDonald was probably the last working class Labour PM, unless I'm very much mistaken.
    John Major was the last working class Tory PM,
    If John Major is working class then so is Keir Starmer.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    eek said:

    Animal_pb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    There might be some sweet new buildings to officially open during the Brexit boom!
    Are the official receivers expanding? Or is it Customs booths that you have in mind? o:)
    Well, there's a big ol' bridge from Scotland to NI in the pipeline, right?
    Scotland is no longer thought a secure route.

    The bridge (except it is a tunnel now) will go from NW England (Workington?) to Belfast via the Isle of Man. So says the Sunday Times.

    Great work, Nicola.
    An English link makes more sense - otherwise you are just adding hours of additional driving with little actually benefit for the economies those lorries drive through

    The drive to Stranraer is pretty but does take a long time.
    Narrator: neither a bridge or a tunnel came to pass.
    Oh, it probaby will, just so Boris can say to the Scots "let's see what you could have won....." - as Ireland gets a massive influx of tourists driving in from Europe whilst Scotland gets to see lichen grow on its roads.

    A majority of 80 means he can get away with spending tens of billions just to troll Nicola Sturgeon.
    Fair enough, BJ's consistent and successful record on infrastructure projects speaks for its self.
    Let's revisit that record in a decade, huh? (Or in your speak, a couple of generations....)
    A bet? £50 that no earth will be broken on either a bridge or a tunnel to NI during BJ's premiership.
    As long as it is fifty Bank of England pounds and none of those pretendy debased funny-money Scottish things, I'm in......
  • Clive Lewis calls for Royal Family referendum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51062770

    That will get all those patriotic red-wallers back on side.

    We spend x million a week on the Royal family let us spend that on the NHS instead.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,609

    Clive Lewis calls for Royal Family referendum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51062770

    That will get all those patriotic red-wallers back on side.

    We spend x million a week on the Royal family let us spend that on the NHS instead.
    Put it on the side of a golden coach.....
  • eek said:

    Animal_pb said:

    Foxy said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    @Cyclefree they could fulfil some royal duties in return for some royal funding?

    WTF is a royal duty though? The country doesn't actually need any of them to do anything.
    There might be some sweet new buildings to officially open during the Brexit boom!
    Are the official receivers expanding? Or is it Customs booths that you have in mind? o:)
    Well, there's a big ol' bridge from Scotland to NI in the pipeline, right?
    Scotland is no longer thought a secure route.

    The bridge (except it is a tunnel now) will go from NW England (Workington?) to Belfast via the Isle of Man. So says the Sunday Times.

    Great work, Nicola.
    An English link makes more sense - otherwise you are just adding hours of additional driving with little actually benefit for the economies those lorries drive through

    The drive to Stranraer is pretty but does take a long time.
    Narrator: neither a bridge or a tunnel came to pass.
    Oh, it probaby will, just so Boris can say to the Scots "let's see what you could have won....." - as Ireland gets a massive influx of tourists driving in from Europe whilst Scotland gets to see lichen grow on its roads.

    A majority of 80 means he can get away with spending tens of billions just to troll Nicola Sturgeon.
    Fair enough, BJ's consistent and successful record on infrastructure projects speaks for its self.
    Let's revisit that record in a decade, huh? (Or in your speak, a couple of generations....)
    A bet? £50 that no earth will be broken on either a bridge or a tunnel to NI during BJ's premiership.
    As long as it is fifty Bank of England pounds and none of those pretendy debased funny-money Scottish things, I'm in......
    Cool. No sneaking up to Workington with a shovel mind.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230
    viewcode said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose an unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    God, at least I wasn't wrong as the Leaver SeanT who offered a bet of £10,000 that the UK would have left the EU by the end of 2019.
    SeanT should have refused to pay in on the very honourable basis that he was right in principle, and we are leaving, and very soon, he was merely out by a month. Of course, I was merely lurking at the time, but AIUI williamglenn's firm position was that Brexit would NEVER HAPPEN
    It doesn't work like that. @SeanT and @williamglenn made a bet. Both were adults with contractual competence. @SeanT lost and must pay up. I realise there are some wealthy people who have spent their lives being insulated from the effects of their bad decisions, but this is gambling and money is important. Arguing that the debt should not be paid is a bad thing. @SeanT must pay @williamglenn the money he owes him.
    Getting into arguments of fact with compulsive fabulists, let alone entering into wagers with them, is probably best avoided.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,121
    edited January 2020

    Clive Lewis calls for Royal Family referendum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51062770

    That will get all those patriotic red-wallers back on side.

    We spend x million a week on the Royal family let us spend that on the NHS instead.
    Seriously though, the fact this total moron with zero political antenna is even in the running for the Labour party shows what a state they are in. I think he would manage to even under-perform Jezza given he thinks this is a great idea to talk about now.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,405
    edited January 2020

    HYUFD said:

    dr_spyn said:

    kle4 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    And tell that to t'youth of today, and they'll never believe you.

    https://twitter.com/ProfTimBale/status/1215620815884034049

    Fun times. None are working class on the basis that they are obsessively worried about what class they are. Isn't that something only the middle class do?
    Ramsay MacDonald was probably the last working class Labour PM, unless I'm very much mistaken.
    John Major was the last working class Tory PM,
    If John Major is working class then so is Keir Starmer.
    Don't you understand the verb (momentum version)

    I am working class
    You are middle class scum.
    He is a toff.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318

    Cyclefree said:

    BTW those who think that no-one will care about Brexit after the end of the month should listen to the section in this morning’s Today programme about fishing - both the expectations of Britain’s fishing community and those of EU fishermen, who want nothing to change (ha!) - as well as Ursula van der Leyen who seems intent on using “sequencing” to make fishing the same key issue as NI was in the withdrawal talks.

    Yes fishing is tricky for Boris.....And expensive possibly if the whole coast needs to be patrolled.
    It is of course tiny in terms of its economic contribution. But it seems to be totemic to many Brexiteers and many in the fishing industry are good at making their views known, plus some of the new Tory constituencies have fishing as one of their industries.

    Whether Boris agrees to the EU’s demands on sequencing will be an early test of whether he will stand by this Brexit constituency or sell them out, much as he did with NI.
  • Clive Lewis calls for Royal Family referendum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51062770

    That will get all those patriotic red-wallers back on side.

    We spend x million a week on the Royal family let us spend that on the NHS instead.
    Seriously though, the fact this total moron with zero political antenna is even in the running for the Labour party shows what a state they are in. I think he would manage to even under-perform Jezza given he thinks this is a great idea to talk about now.
    He’s an idiot. Lest we forget he was tweeting fake ICM polling in the run up to GE2017, which I helped expose. Kinda.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/85406/labour-mp-clive-lewis-condemned-polling-chief-over
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Yvette Cooper and Hilary Benn have kept very quiet in the leadership contest so far. Are they on holiday?
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose this unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and soon after that they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    You can't beat a liquid lunch on a Friday...
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 608
    I favour the introduction of the holmgang. That'd shut more than a few keyboard warriors up.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited January 2020

    HYUFD said:

    dr_spyn said:

    kle4 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    And tell that to t'youth of today, and they'll never believe you.

    https://twitter.com/ProfTimBale/status/1215620815884034049

    Fun times. None are working class on the basis that they are obsessively worried about what class they are. Isn't that something only the middle class do?
    Ramsay MacDonald was probably the last working class Labour PM, unless I'm very much mistaken.
    John Major was the last working class Tory PM,
    If John Major is working class then so is Keir Starmer.
    By background yes he is, though as a lawyer and knight and Oxford graduate he is middle class by profession and education
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    BTW those who think that no-one will care about Brexit after the end of the month should listen to the section in this morning’s Today programme about fishing - both the expectations of Britain’s fishing community and those of EU fishermen, who want nothing to change (ha!) - as well as Ursula van der Leyen who seems intent on using “sequencing” to make fishing the same key issue as NI was in the withdrawal talks.

    Yes fishing is tricky for Boris.....And expensive possibly if the whole coast needs to be patrolled.
    It is of course tiny in terms of its economic contribution. But it seems to be totemic to many Brexiteers and many in the fishing industry are good at making their views known, plus some of the new Tory constituencies have fishing as one of their industries.

    Whether Boris agrees to the EU’s demands on sequencing will be an early test of whether he will stand by this Brexit constituency or sell them out, much as he did with NI.
    Boris can just stuff the fishermen but then say everything is great. Who's going to challenge him?
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    BTW those who think that no-one will care about Brexit after the end of the month should listen to the section in this morning’s Today programme about fishing - both the expectations of Britain’s fishing community and those of EU fishermen, who want nothing to change (ha!) - as well as Ursula van der Leyen who seems intent on using “sequencing” to make fishing the same key issue as NI was in the withdrawal talks.

    Yes fishing is tricky for Boris.....And expensive possibly if the whole coast needs to be patrolled.
    It is of course tiny in terms of its economic contribution. But it seems to be totemic to many Brexiteers and many in the fishing industry are good at making their views known, plus some of the new Tory constituencies have fishing as one of their industries.

    Whether Boris agrees to the EU’s demands on sequencing will be an early test of whether he will stand by this Brexit constituency or sell them out, much as he did with NI.
    Indeed. The more I think about it, the bigger this is for Boris.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,127
    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose an unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    God, at least I wasn't wrong as the Leaver SeanT who offered a bet of £10,000 that the UK would have left the EU by the end of 2019.
    SeanT should have refused to pay in on the very honourable basis that he was right in principle, and we are leaving, and very soon, he was merely out by a month. Of course, I was merely lurking at the time, but AIUI williamglenn's firm position was that Brexit would NEVER HAPPEN
    It doesn't work like that. @SeanT and @williamglenn made a bet. Both were adults with contractual competence. @SeanT lost and must pay up. I realise there are some wealthy people who have spent their lives being insulated from the effects of their bad decisions, but this is gambling and money is important. Arguing that the debt should not be paid is a bad thing. @SeanT must pay @williamglenn the money he owes him.
    Getting into arguments of fact with compulsive fabulists, let alone entering into wagers with them, is probably best avoided.
    Actually, no: there's a principle involved. This is not (or should not be) some upper class salon where the overindulged are overindulged. It is gambling, and I am very serious about it. @SeanT must pay @williamglenn and no arrangement of pixels on a screen or words on a page will change that fact.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    BTW those who think that no-one will care about Brexit after the end of the month should listen to the section in this morning’s Today programme about fishing - both the expectations of Britain’s fishing community and those of EU fishermen, who want nothing to change (ha!) - as well as Ursula van der Leyen who seems intent on using “sequencing” to make fishing the same key issue as NI was in the withdrawal talks.

    Yes fishing is tricky for Boris.....And expensive possibly if the whole coast needs to be patrolled.
    It is of course tiny in terms of its economic contribution. But it seems to be totemic to many Brexiteers and many in the fishing industry are good at making their views known, plus some of the new Tory constituencies have fishing as one of their industries.

    Whether Boris agrees to the EU’s demands on sequencing will be an early test of whether he will stand by this Brexit constituency or sell them out, much as he did with NI.
    Boris can just stuff the fishermen but then say everything is great. Who's going to challenge him?
    No way is it that simple.

    Many of the new MPs in the red wall constituencies will get very restive if the fishermen are seen to be betrayed.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,148
    edited January 2020

    Clive Lewis calls for Royal Family referendum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51062770

    That will get all those patriotic red-wallers back on side.

    We spend x million a week on the Royal family let us spend that on the NHS instead.
    We would have to spend it on maintaining the President and their family instead without the tourism revenue, the NHS would get zilch
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose this unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and soon after that they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    Sweetie, sorry. I was away from the computer. If you missed me that much you could have DM'd me. Anyway I'm back. How can I help?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited January 2020
    Cyclefree said:

    It is of course tiny in terms of its economic contribution. But it seems to be totemic to many Brexiteers and many in the fishing industry are good at making their views known, plus some of the new Tory constituencies have fishing as one of their industries.

    Whether Boris agrees to the EU’s demands on sequencing will be an early test of whether he will stand by this Brexit constituency or sell them out, much as he did with NI.

    It's impossible to see how the fishing industry doesn't get completely shafted. They voted for their own shafting (which would happen whether or not there is any deal with the EU), apparently on the ludicrous basis that they want the EU to keep taking their fish whilst locking out EU fishermen from the British waters for which they've already paid for permits.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    edited January 2020
    viewcode said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose an unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    God, at least I wasn't wrong as the Leaver SeanT who offered a bet of £10,000 that the UK would have left the EU by the end of 2019.
    SeanT should have refused to pay in on the very honourable basis that he was right in principle, and we are leaving, and very soon, he was merely out by a month. Of course, I was merely lurking at the time, but AIUI williamglenn's firm position was that Brexit would NEVER HAPPEN
    It doesn't work like that. @SeanT and @williamglenn made a bet. Both were adults with contractual competence. @SeanT lost and must pay up. I realise there are some wealthy people who have spent their lives being insulated from the effects of their bad decisions, but this is gambling and money is important. Arguing that the debt should not be paid is a bad thing. @SeanT must pay @williamglenn the money he owes him.
    How do you fucking know he hasn't paid? Go and ask williamglenn. Ask the mods. Presumably if there has been some terrible WELCHING then we'd soon hear of it.

    My understanding of SeanT was that he was, in essence, the very best of us, as moral as he was virile, and he would sooner have sex with someone actually over 30 than he would ever welch.

    But knock yourself out and save us a debate and Go Ask.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    viewcode said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose an unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    God, at least I wasn't wrong as the Leaver SeanT who offered a bet of £10,000 that the UK would have left the EU by the end of 2019.
    SeanT should have refused to pay in on the very honourable basis that he was right in principle, and we are leaving, and very soon, he was merely out by a month. Of course, I was merely lurking at the time, but AIUI williamglenn's firm position was that Brexit would NEVER HAPPEN
    It doesn't work like that. @SeanT and @williamglenn made a bet. Both were adults with contractual competence. @SeanT lost and must pay up. I realise there are some wealthy people who have spent their lives being insulated from the effects of their bad decisions, but this is gambling and money is important. Arguing that the debt should not be paid is a bad thing. @SeanT must pay @williamglenn the money he owes him.
    Yes, SeanT's lost the bet. He should do the honourable thing.
  • HYUFD said:

    Clive Lewis calls for Royal Family referendum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51062770

    That will get all those patriotic red-wallers back on side.

    We spend x million a week on the Royal family let us spend that on the NHS instead.
    We would have to spend it on maintaining the President and his family instead without the tourism revenue, the NHS would get zilch
    I know you’re a Remainer so you won’t understand the visceral desire to take back control from our unelected rulers.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    edited January 2020

    Clive Lewis calls for Royal Family referendum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51062770

    That will get all those patriotic red-wallers back on side.

    We spend x million a week on the Royal family let us spend that on the NHS instead.
    Only if predictable in-house lawyers are put against the wall first.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    edited January 2020
    HYUFD said:

    Clive Lewis calls for Royal Family referendum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51062770

    That will get all those patriotic red-wallers back on side.

    We spend x million a week on the Royal family let us spend that on the NHS instead.
    We would have to spend it on maintaining the President and their family instead without the tourism revenue, the NHS would get zilch
    Sounds familiar.
    Beyond parody.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,230
    TOPPING said:

    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose this unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and soon after that they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    Sweetie, sorry. I was away from the computer. If you missed me that much you could have DM'd me. Anyway I'm back. How can I help?
    Strong black coffee and an Alka Selzer ?
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    dr_spyn said:

    kle4 said:

    dr_spyn said:

    And tell that to t'youth of today, and they'll never believe you.

    https://twitter.com/ProfTimBale/status/1215620815884034049

    Fun times. None are working class on the basis that they are obsessively worried about what class they are. Isn't that something only the middle class do?
    Ramsay MacDonald was probably the last working class Labour PM, unless I'm very much mistaken.
    John Major was the last working class Tory PM,
    If John Major is working class then so is Keir Starmer.
    Don't you understand the verb (momentum version)

    I am working class
    You are middle class scum.
    He is a toff.
    Anybody who needs to wank on about class is almost certainly not what they are claiming to be.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    Cyclefree said:

    It is of course tiny in terms of its economic contribution. But it seems to be totemic to many Brexiteers and many in the fishing industry are good at making their views known, plus some of the new Tory constituencies have fishing as one of their industries.

    Whether Boris agrees to the EU’s demands on sequencing will be an early test of whether he will stand by this Brexit constituency or sell them out, much as he did with NI.

    It's impossible to see how the fishing industry doesn't get completely shafted. They voted for their own shafting (which would happen whether or not there is any deal with the EU), apparently on the ludicrous basis that they want the EU to keep taking their fish whilst locking out EU fishermen from the British waters for which they've already paid for permits.
    On that basis British wine growers should be able to pay for permits to dig up vast tracts of France.

    The French wine growers seem to be operating on the ludicrous basis that they want Britain to keep taking their burgundy and champagne whilst locking British wine growers out of French wine regions.
  • I can confirm that SeanT did pay WilliamGlenn £1,000.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,468
    Byronic said:

    My understanding of SeanT was that he was, in essence, the very best of us, as moral as he was virile, and he would sooner have sex with someone actually over 30 than he would ever welch.

    :D

    4/10. Flowery but unconvincing and without substance. It’s a good job you’re not a professional writer.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,291
    edited January 2020
    Byronic said:

    SERIOUS QUESTION FOR THE MODS

    Why do we even allow these dribbling idiot Remainers like TSE and Topping and Gallowgate to stay on the site?

    Remainers have been absolutely wrong about everything since about ten years before the referendum. They thought constantly ignoring the people on the EU would be a good idea because they could keep doing it. Then when they had to stop doing it they called a botched referendum, and they managed to lose this unloseable referendum because, again, they are idiots and morons. And arrogant to boot.

    Then they got 99% of their predictions for economic armageddon wrong after Brexit. Then they said there should be a 2nd referendum, shamelessly trashing British democracy, which makes them scum as well as crass. Then they organised the world's worst experiment in tactical anti-Brexit voting which delivered the Brexiteering prime minister the biggest majority since Tamurlane the Great

    Then they said Brexit could never actually happen just because because because, and soon after that they ended up beating a trapped fox to death with a fucking baseball bat while wearing their wife's undersized silk kimono.

    Really. We have heard enough from the Remainers to last us several decades. Their brains are made of ten day old Tescos hummus and their moral sense cannot be spotted by the Hubble Telescope.

    Enough. Enough now. Let these droning fools be gone from this place.

    New Year Party season going on late this year? ;)

    HNY Sean and thanks for making me laugh for the past 13 years! :D
  • Cyclefree said:

    It is of course tiny in terms of its economic contribution. But it seems to be totemic to many Brexiteers and many in the fishing industry are good at making their views known, plus some of the new Tory constituencies have fishing as one of their industries.

    Whether Boris agrees to the EU’s demands on sequencing will be an early test of whether he will stand by this Brexit constituency or sell them out, much as he did with NI.

    It's impossible to see how the fishing industry doesn't get completely shafted. They voted for their own shafting (which would happen whether or not there is any deal with the EU), apparently on the ludicrous basis that they want the EU to keep taking their fish whilst locking out EU fishermen from the British waters for which they've already paid for permits.
    On that basis British wine growers should be able to pay for permits to dig up vast tracts of France.

    The French wine growers seem to be operating on the ludicrous basis that they want Britain to keep taking their burgundy and champagne whilst locking British wine growers out of French wine regions.
    A silly point made even sillier by the fact that many French vineyards are British-owned.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited January 2020

    I can confirm that SeanT did pay WilliamGlenn £1,000.

    Yes but as a REMOANER your confirmation is worthless.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited January 2020


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